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Trivia Topic: 2 Players with Same Team, Name & Number

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Happy Presidents Day, and greetings from Uni Watch HQ, where I’m happy to report that all three inhabitants continue to be safe and well. Hope things are also good at your home.

Reader Andrew Fallon recently pointed out something interesting: Kemba Walker currently wears No. 8 for the Celtics (above left), and Antoine Walker wore that same number for the Celtics two decades ago (above right). That led Fallon to pose a genius trivia question: How often have separate players with the same surname worn the same number for the same team?

It turns out that there’s a decent number of these instances spread out across the uni-verse (in all sports, not just in the NBA). In fact, there are several other cases involving the Celtics. For example, Dee Brown used to wear No. 7 for them (below left) and Jaylen Brown wears it today:

The Celtics have also had both Eric Williams (left) and Terrence Williams wearing No. 55:

Terrence Williams is involved in another one of these pairings, as he and Deron Williams (right) both wore No. 8 with the Nets:

What should we call this phenomenon? I’ve been trying to come up with a snappy name or acronym, but the best I’ve been able to do is STNN (short for “same team, name, number”), which isn’t very good. Anyone..?

Whatever we end up calling it, I quickly discovered that it’s a deep and fruitful rabbit hole, so I decided to establish some ground rules. First, I omitted any examples involving siblings (like J.D. and Stephen Drew both wearing No. 7 for the Red Sox), father/son combos (like Bobby and Barry Bonds both wearing No. 25 for the Giants), or other blood relations (like Takeo and Brandon Spikes, who are cousins, both wearing No. 51 for the Bills). Those instances feel less surprising and therefore less satisfying, because they seem more predetermined and obvious instead of like random coincidences, so I say they don’t qualify.

Second, I decided to include pairings where one of the NOBs includes a first initial and the other doesn’t. In those cases (which came up only a couple of times), the surnames match even if the NOBs don’t, and that’s good enough for me.

With those two guidelines in mind, here’s a partial list of STNNs, broken down by league:

NBA

• Juwan Howard (left) and Josh Howard both wore No. 5 for the Mavericks:

• The Mavs have also had Gerald Green (left) and Josh Green wearing No. 8:

• Terrence Jones (left; sorry, couldn’t find a rear-view photo) and Mason Jones have both worn No. 9 for the Rockets:

• Harvey Grant and Brian Grant both wore No. 44 for the Trail Blazers:

• Ben Wallace (left) and Rasheed Wallace both wore No. 30 for the Bullets (although I couldn’t find rear-view photos for either of them, sorry):

Update: I haven’t confirmed whether this is true, but someone on Twitter is claiming that the two Wallaces literally wore the same jersey: “When Ben Wallace signed, they gave him the jersey Rasheed left behind.”

NFL

• Tim Brown (left) and Antonio Brown have both worn No. 81 for the Buccaneers:

• Antonio Bryant (left) and Dez Bryant both wore No. 88 for the Cowboys:

• Reggie Bush (left) and Rafael Bush both wore No. 25 for the Saints (a particularly interesting example because one of them played offense and the other played defense):

• In another offense/defense pairing, Julius Jones (left) and Pacman Jones both wore No. 21 for the Cowboys:

MLB

• Here’s a really good one: Jack Clark (left) and Will Clark both wore No. 22 for the Giants, and also both wore No. 22 for the Cardinals! Check it out:

NHL

• Brian Boyle (left) and Dan Boyle both wore No. 22 for the Rangers:

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Fun topic, right? It’s also interesting to compare the photos and see how certain uniform elements have evolved from one era to the next.

This list is by no means complete — I’m sure there are lots of additional examples. If you know of any (again, let’s please omit cases involving relatives), go ahead and post them in today’s comments.

(Big thanks to Andrew Fallon for coming up with this topic, and to Cobbert Covington, Craig Eliason, A.J. Frey, Derek Harlan, Khalid Khowaja, Matty Mackay, Jeff Stotts, Ivor von Esch, @txmitch_, @Cappo_4, @calvin_u, and @00Danimal for their contribtions.)

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Made to measure: Got a note the other day from longtime reader and Dolphins superfan Bill Hetrick, as follows:

I ran across a company Evolution of Style. The owners are custom tailors who have ventured off into custom sports jackets with incredible linings.

I’m a tough fit for off-the-rack attire, and it’s been irritating through the years to not be able to wear many of the standard sports-logo clothing items that I’d like to have. But I recently had a suit made locally, and then I had Evolution of Style take the measurements from my suit fitting to create the first sports-themed jacket I’ve ever had that actually fits me correctly! It’s a revelation, I tell ya.

Aside from the fit, Bill was also able to get a custom lining filled with Dolphins photos (for the second and third photos, you can click to enlarge):

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ITEM! NASCAR membership raffle: With the NASCAR season having kicked off with yesterday’s Daytona 500, longtime reader Chris Hickey has generously purchased a Uni Watch membership for me to raffle off, with the stipulation that the winner must choose a NASCAR-themed card design. (Remember, we don’t show advertiser/sponsor logos on our cards, so the design can only show the car number and any associated striping.)

This will be a one-day raffle. To enter, send an email to the raffle in-box by 8pm Eastern tonight. I’ll announce the winner tomorrow. Big thanks to Chris for sponsoring this one!

Meanwhile, the winners of last Friday’s raffle for four Uni Watch T-Shirt Club shirts are Tyler Moody (for the BFBS shirt), Tim Holdener (BP), Steven Lobejko (home), and Patrick Martin (St. Paddy’s). My repeated thanks to Morgan Doninger for that one.

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Podcast reminder: In case you missed it last last week, the second episode of Unified, my new podcast collaboration with SportsLogos.net founder Chris Creamer, is now available. This episode begins with a quick Super Bowl recap and then segues into a discussion of the Browns’ new 75th-anniversary logo, which evolves into a deeeeep discussion about the do’s and don’ts of anniversary patches. You can listen to it, and subscribe to future installments, on Apple, Google, Stitcher, TuneIn, and Spotify, or just use the player below:

The show notes, which include photos of most of the patches and other things we discussed, are available here.

You can also check out the video version of the episode here:

If you missed our first episode, it’s available here. Our next episode should be ready on Thursday. Thanks for checking out the podcast, and for all the great feedback we’ve gotten — Chris and I really appreciate it.

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Too good for the Ticker: With all the recent fuss about the national anthem, former longtime White Sox organist Nancy Faust tweeted a photo of a letter she received in 1967 from Cubs owner Philip K. Wrigley, apparently in response to her inquiry about a possible organist gig with the Cubs. The letter spells out Wrigley’s feelings at the time about playing the anthem, among other things.

Faust was about a month shy of her 20th birthday when this letter was written. Although Wrigley turned her down, she began playing the organ for the White Sox in 1970, a gig she ended up keeping for 40 years.

(Big thanks to Joe Wroblewski for pointing me toward this one.)

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Like riding a bike: Uni Watch summit meeting yesterday in Brooklyn, as an old curling buddy invited me and Phil to sub for two of his teammates who couldn’t make it to last night’s match. As you can see, I wore my Uni Watch toque, while Phil went full Valentine’s Day (with excellent high-cuffed blousing!). It was the first time Phil and I had seen each other in over a year — so good to hang out again, buddy!

I hadn’t curled in a few years (I stopped when Mary was in grad school, because Sunday nights were one of the few time slots when we could relax at home together), but it all came back quickly enough, and I surprised myself by playing pretty damn well. Phil, meanwhile, has been curling all along on Long Island and is now really good. Our opponents were badly overmatched, as we won 12-2. Good to be back out on the ice again.

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The Ticker
By Jamie Rathjen

Baseball News: A Redditor came up with a small but effective modification to the Angels logo (from Steven Dauster). … Doubleday Field in Cooperstown, N.Y., is being renovated, so six artists, some of whom will be very familiar to Uni Watch readers, made prints featuring the stadium’s exterior. … The Brewers’ website wrote about the first incarnation of their mascot, Bernie Brewer (from Mike Chamernik). … The next two are from Kary Klismet: The podcast This Week in Baseball History talked about the 1905 incident involving Cleveland 2B Nap Lajoie leading to the development of sanitary socks worn under stirrups. … Iowa has a new black jersey.

Football News: The Patriots’ stadium is a Massachusetts Covid-19 vaccination site. The scoreboard even shows how many people have come through (from Jon Viera). … The daughter of the Lombardi Trophy’s designer thinks it was disrespectful for Tom Brady to throw the trophy and wants an apology (from Kary Klismet). … It looks like some of the players in Fan Controlled Football have silver helmets and others have black helmets, even on the same team, but it’s unclear why (from Blain Fowler).

Hockey News: Capitals C Evgeny Kuznetsov is one of the players using a new stick from Bauer that has a hole in the upper part of the blade. It’s been used in NHL games for about a year, and you can see more about it here (from Brock Jackson).

Basketball News: Women’s college teams that wore pink or pink accents recently included both George Washington and St. Bonaventure, both Pitt and Wake Forest, both Florida State and Miami (Fla.), Clemson (from @ClemsonUniforms), North Carolina (from James Gilbert), Penn State, and Wisconsin. … Blazers F Robert Covington was wearing a plastic mask yesterday (from Mike Chamernik). … Vermont’s men’s team debuted black alternates yesterday (from Jeff Hickey). … The new grey uniforms for Oregon’s men’s team mentioned in yesterday’s Ticker forced Arizona to wear red at home (from Dane Drutis). … The next three are from Kary Klismet: NAIA Bacone College and a a Connecticut high school have new floors. … Kobe Bryant gave high school-aged LeBron James a pair of sneakers, which are now up for auction. … A new Casper mattress commercial shows a guy using a left-handed catcher’s mitt. “As we know, lefty catchers are extremely rare, and lefty catcher’s mitts are even rarer — yet they found one for this ad,” notes Mike Chamernik

Soccer News: Paris Saint-Germain and Inter Milan wore Chinese NOBs, with PSG doing so on their new fourth shirts (Inter also from Will Dubois). … The NWSL’s North Carolina Courage’s new second shirt for some reason didn’t get a reveal, but it’s on their online store. … New second shirt also for Real Salt Lake. … D.C. United’s new second shirt apparently comes with blue shorts, which is fine by me (from @ScottyBeats86). … More new shirts for some South American clubs, including Ecuador’s LDU Quito and Barcelona SC and Argentina’s Talleres. … Japan’s Hokkaido Consadole Sapporo have a 25th-anniversary logo (from Jeremy Brahm). … Bayern Munich are now in possession of the Club World Cup champions’ patch, which they’ll presumably wear for the first time today.

Grab Bag: Australia’s Seven Network debuted a new AFL scorebug starting with AFL Women’s — old on left, new on right. … The Canadian women’s curling championship, the Tournament of Hearts, has a 40th-edition logo, counting from when it got its current name (from Wade Heidt). … Michael Jordan and Denny Hamlin’s new NASCAR Cup team, 23XI Racing, has its own sneakers (from Brian Fletcher). … The next three are from Kary Klismet: Wolfe Tones, a County Antrim Gaelic football club, replaced the ad on their second shirt with one for a charity that helps to repatriate deceased Irish expatriates to Ireland. … Minnesota’s Free Lutheran Bible College has new logos, and Jefferson Community College in Watertown, N.Y., wants to name its new mascot.

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Comments (110)

    Jiri and Jan Hrdina both wore #38 for the Penguins. I don’t know for sure if the two players are related or not (They are both from Czechoslovakia), but I have not seen mention of it in either player’s bios on Wikipedia.

    Tomas Jonsson and Kenny Jonsson of the Islanders both wore #3 (although Kenny then changed his number to 29).

    Hmmmm. Per Wikipedia, Kenny has an umlaut over the first “o” in his surname — Jönsson — while Tomas does not. So is that truly the same surname? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

    ö is a separate letter in Swedish that comes at the end of the alphabet. They’re two different last names.

    HOWEVER, Kenny did not have an umlaut on his uniform, so there were two separate players who wore “JONSSON 3” for the Islanders.

    For the Mets, Davey Johnson and Mark Johnson both wore #5, although Davey was not a player.

    There was an expectation that there would be two #16s to wear Gustafsson for the Washington Capitals.

    Bengt Gustafsson was with the team in the 1980s and his son, Anton, was drafted in the first round. However, that didn’t work out.

    Doppelnumber (or Doppelnümber) or NOB Twin would be my suggestion for the fascinating phenomenon. Seems most are fairly common names, which makes sense in the context of there being only a handful of numbers in regular use. Bryant seems one of the less common names on today’s list, and it’s still a pretty common name, and only a couple of numbers higher than 50.

    While looking for more Brewers mascot stuff a stumbled on this Brewers promo vid. It’s a glorious 70’s ditty that Brewers fans may remember. It includes a couple shots of Bernie Brewer and the chalet.

    link

    Not exactly a STNN situation, but before Jay Cutler wore #6 with the Bears, the previous player to wear #6 was Kevin Butler. I saw a few Butler jerseys in Chicago (he was pretty popular for a kicker) with a “C” pinned over the “B”.

    People really held on to their Butler jerseys that long? There had to be a gap of like 15 years between the two playing for the Bears. Also, 15 football seasons easily adds 40 to 50lbs to the frame of a typical Bears fan…so would the Butthead jersey really still fit? Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

    Here is a fun one
    Mark Johnson wore #5 and #20 with the Mets

    In 1986, their manager was Davey Johnson #5 and infielder #20 Howard Johnson.

    So Mark Johnson is a double STNN!!

    In May 2009 both Ramon Martinez and Fernando Martinez wore #26 for the Mets

    Almost as if the equipment guy was lazy and it saved him sewing a name onto a different uniform

    Donald brown and Jalil Brown both wore 31 for the Colts. Jalil also wore 25 for Colts, so finding a 31 picture of him is hard. I have a Donald Brown jersey, and was excited when I still had a current player after Donald Brown left, even for just a short time!

    Teams should require players to take the number of former players with the same last name, as this would allow fans’ old jerseys to return to relevance. For instance, how come Nick Schultz didn’t wear #8 for the Flyers?

    Similarly, it’s too bad more players don’t wear cross-sport name/number combinations, like Shane Lemieux, who wears #66 for the NY Giants.

    Finally, I wish teams would consider non-sports connections when assigning numbers. Would be great to see “McGovern 72” on the back of the jersey of Conor McGovern of the NY Jets (even if he lost to Nixon in a landslide).

    These are some very interesting ideas. The cross-sport one would be especially satisfying when you have two guys in the same city, particularly if they are playing at the same time. For example, in Pittsburgh, James Harrison of the Steelers and Josh Harrison of the Pirates overlapped for a while. I’m sure there are many other examples.

    Money.

    The Brewers touted Wily Peralta as a big-time prospect a few years ago. They sold plenty of jerseys and T-Shirts with his numbers (first 60, then 37).

    Wily Peralta flamed about, but a year or two later, Freddie Peralta flashed to the surface and remains part of the Brewers “bullpenning” squad (aka… “Nobody goes 5 innings so that we don’t have to pay them as a ‘star’.”) However he wears 51.

    Giving him 60 or 37 would have helped the fans, but the cash strapped Brewers would sell less jerseys and T-shirts.

    Oh, and #FireCounsell

    Although this seems like an amusing proposition to the casual fans with OCD-ish tendencies, it would seem very unfair to the athletes. When you’ve ate, drank and slept your sport for nearly your entire existence (I’ve known a few who’ve made to a high level) and then have to forfeit your choice of number to cater to a presidential hopeful from 50 years ago?

    This is where I thought the Phillies could do their fans a solid and issue Spencer Howard #6.

    Would also give another single-digit pitcher to note!

    Seeing the photo of Gerald Green in a green uniform brings up another game: Players with names that are colors wearing uniforms of that color. Frank White wearing a home Royals uniform for example.

    Wow! A lot of these DITTO situations popping up! More than I would have imagined and certainly more to come… I’m endorsing Rob G’s suggestion of the word DITTO

    Also, is it just me, or is asking the daughter of the Lombardi trophy designer’s opinion about it being tossed just a non-story? I get it being upset at your father’s work being treated like that, but she didn’t break a sweat crafting or designing it. You’re just asking for the most insincere apology.

    All SA Spurs because I’m just digging through their BB Ref.
    -2: Reggie Williams-‘91-‘92, Marcus Williams-‘09
    -11: Nick Jones-‘69 (Dallas Chaps), Anthony Jones-‘86
    -15: Vinnie Johnson and Avery Johnson-both ‘92
    -25: George Johnson-‘72 (Dallas Chaps), Vinnie Johnson-‘92
    -32: Ed Johnson-‘71 (Texas Chaps), Reggie Johnson-‘81-‘82 (number later retired for Sean Elliott)
    -33: Rich Jones-‘70-‘75 (Texas/Dallas Chaps and Spurs), Tre Jones-‘21-pres
    -42: Collis Jones-‘73 (Dallas Chaps), Edgar Jones-‘83-‘85, Bobby Jones-‘08
    -55: Eric Williams-‘07, Reggie Williams-‘15

    The Bullets did indeed just hand Ben Wallace the number 30 because Rasheed had worn it the year prior. Ben was a lightly regarded undrafted FA who wasn’t likely to make the team in the preseason, so this sorta made sense.

    Still, given that the Bullets were a notoriously cheap team that allegedly once charged its own players for laundering their uniforms (yes, really) you could be forgiven for thinking this was also a money saving move.

    Either way, I found a Bullets #30 Wallace Jersey at TJ Maxx for $10 in the late 90’s and it’s a prized possession that I often wear to games. When people ask “which Wallace is that?” I really don’t have any answer.

    2 sets of SNNN players for Orlando Magic wore #34. Steven Hunter & Brandon Hunter AND Willie Green & Jeff Green!

    No NOB’s for the Yankees, but here are same-last-name guys that share uni numbers (pulled from Baseball-Reference)

    Russ Davis & Ike Davis 24
    Ruppert Jones & Andruw Jones 22
    Hank Johnson & Russ Johnson 14
    Roy Johnson & Darrell Johnson 22
    Don Johnson & Nick Johnson 26
    Cliff Johnson & Randy Johnson 41
    Deron Johnson & Jeff Johnson 43
    Al Leiter & Mark Leiter 56
    Dale Long & Terrence Long 26
    Duke Maas & Kevin Maas 24
    Aaron Robinson & Shane Robinson 25
    Carlos Rodriguez & Ivan Rodriguez 12
    Marius Russo & Kevin Russo 26
    Walt Williams & Gerald Williams 13
    George Wilson & Craig Wilson 39
    (honorable mention: Shane Greene & Chad Green 39)

    I had suspected that the name “Williams” would be the most common name we would see, but this list suggests that “Johnson” could be even more prolific. I imagine that “Wilson”, “Jones”, and “Smith” will also be frequent fliers.

    The Blackhawks missed a chance for one of these this year- They gave Pius Suter #24 instead of Gary Suter’s old #20

    I am pleased to see the listing of Cliff Johnson and Randy Johnson both wearing number 41 for the Yankees, because it reminds me of something that I once experienced.

    For background, let me mention that I stopped following current baseball upon the introduction of interleague play in 1997, though I maintain a strong interest in the history, and of course I still follow current developments in uniforms. As a consequence, I am very aware of players and their numbers up through 1996, and completely unaware of these things after that point. So, one day I saw someone wearing a fan replica Yankee jersey with”JOHNSON 41″ on the back. Before it dawned on me that this referred to Randy Johnson, whom I well know, but who played with the Yankees only after I retired from following current baseball, I remember thinking to myself, “Wow, that guy sure is a big fan of Cliff Johnson!”

    Anyway, my contribution is that Gerd Müller and Thomas Müller both wore number 13 for the German national football team.

    It looks like some of the players in Fan Controlled Football have silver helmets and others have black helmets, even on the same team, but it’s unclear why

    It’s also unclear why a league with no kicking game whatsoever is allowed to be called a FOOTball league…

    Surprising to hear Paul call it “Presidents Day,” when all of us pedants know it’s officially Washington’s Birthday! (see 5 U.S.C. §6103)

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    Clint Brown wore #16 for Cleveland Baseball from 1929 to 1935, Larry Brown then wore it from 1963 to 1971.

    Clint then had a second stint with the team in 1941 & 42 where he wore #21, which had been worn by Lloyd Brown from 1934 to 1937.

    You could do a section on the St. Louis Blues for same name, same number. 26. Worn by two sets of father sons. Mike and BJ Crombeen as well as Peter and Paul Stastney.

    Pater and Paul also wore the same 26 for another franchise, though Peter wore 26 when they were the Quebec Nordiques and Paul wore it when they were the Colorado Avalanche.

    Similarly, Brett and Bobby Hull wore 9 for the Phoenix Coyotes while his dad wore it for the Winnipeg Jets.

    FWIW

    Holy cow, so I wasn’t the only one to witness that assault on my retinas! The first thing I thought after seeing the Knights was “50,000 Elvis Fans Can’t Be Wrong”.

    Mo Williams has two with just the Jazz!
    5- Mo (2013) and Freeman (1983)
    25- Mo (2004) and Rickey (1983) and Elliot (2015)

    I am stymied as to why a college with “Free” in it’s name calls its team the Conquerors. That just seems wrong.

    Gary Smith and Al Smith not only wore the same #1 sweater for the Toronto Maple Leafs, they wore it in the same 1965/66 season.

    That wasn’t the full Ballard era (I believe he was a partial owner, not the full owner) but that’s a classic Harold Ballard move.

    Did some more digging on the Trail Blazers and found a few more:
    Moses Brown and Marcus Brown (#4)
    Charlie Davis and Ed Davis (#17)
    Ollie Johnson and Clemon Johnson (#44)
    Greg Smith and Nolan Smith (#4)

    So with the Grants (#44) in the original post, this has happened five times in Blazers history, but only with three different numbers, with 4 and 44 getting doubled up twice. It’s possible I missed some too.

    Here’s the Cubs list:
    8 Alex & Alberto Gonzalez
    9 Randy & Todd Hundley
    19 Paul & Charley Smith
    20 Roy, Don, and Howard Johnson
    24 Curt & Tommy Davis
    29 Tommy, Brock, and Steve Davis
    41 Taylor and Adolfo Phillips

    Brian McCann wore 34 for the Yankees, and James McCann wore the same for the Tigers. Interestingly they are both catchers as well.

    New York Islanders:
    #3 – Tomas and Kenny Jonsson (as stated above)
    #11 – Kevin and Kip Miller (brothers, so that may not qualify, played for the Isles 3y apart)

    Washington Capitals:
    #14 – Kevin and Kip Miller (same brothers, played for the Caps 10y apart)

    So we’ve got a pair of brothers who are Double STUNNers. They’d be Triple but wore different numbers with the Rangers.

    Between 2003 and 2017, the Philadelphia Eagles had 3 Smiths who all wore #82…LJ, Alex and Torrey.
    None compared to the number (or numbers) of the one and only Mike Quick.

    An interesting sidelight. The Van Arsdale Twins. Both wore #5 in the NBA, until they were both on the Suns in 1977 when Dick wore #5 and Tom wore #4

    Mariners
    #1 – Tim Beckham (’19) and Gordon Beckham (’18)
    #25 – Adam Jones (’06-’07) and Tracy Jones (’90-’91)

    Love this. I do wonder whether merch sales sometimes play a part.

    For example, the Jets recently had Leonard Williams #92 and after he was traded, Quinnen Williams could have taken #92 which was his college number. But he stuck with #95 and I think jersey sales are part of the reason. Think of everyone with a #92 Williams jersey who would suddenly have use for it again. Not with Nike involved.

    Dale Earnhardt drove the #3 Wrangler Chevrolet from 1984-87. In 2010 his son, Dale Jr., also drove a #3 Wrangler Chevrolet for one race.

    That’s a Father/Son combination…plus, while both cars had the same ownership, Dale Sr. drove the #3 with said advertiser full-time in NASCAR’s top tier …Jr. drove it as a one-off in the ‘AAA-level/minor-league’ series.
    I found zero examples from the racing world that fit the criteria. The closest I came was Cecil and Jeff Gordon (both drove #24) and Bobby and Pete Hamilton (both drove #40), but these cars were fielded by the same ‘team’.

    It’s interesting to know that Nancy Faust REALLY wanted to be a baseball organist and being from the north side of Chicago, it looks like she contacted the Cubs first. It’s nice that she got her dream job at 20, albeit for the other team in her home town.

    The White Sox started to embrace “weird” around the time they hired her (1970) and a few years ago even gave away Nancy Faust bobble-heads, complete with keyboard! I was at that game, and managed to pick up quite a few extra Nancy Faust bobble-heads left behind by confused fans.

    It’s only a matter of time before those babies are worth more than, eh… what they’re worth now.

    Need some help from an observant NYRangers fan.

    To me, the lettering on the name placard for Boyle on the left looks radially arched, but for Boyle on the right, looks vertically arched, Anyone?

    It’s a trick of perspective and the way the jerseys are draped on the players at those particular moments. Brian is in a more dynamic position, with his right shoulder further up than his left, and the nameplate looks to be resting more flatly on Dan’s back than on Brian’s.

    It’s pretty safe to say the Rangers have never gone with radially-arched NOBs on their regular home and road unis since adopting the vertically-arched NOBs in 1990. In fact, as far as I know, the only uni they’ve had where they’ve used radially-arched names is the 2010-17 navy fauxback third.

    Nancy Faust was the greatest. If her Sox teams had been better (or in NY), more would know about her and she’d be a lock for HOF.

    She led the way in ballpark music, starting with her choosing walk-up songs for players whose names fit certain tunes, Later, she came up with walk away songs, such as “Na na na na hey hey goodbye’. She even made Harry Carey singing sound better!

    She was located right off the main concourse of (it will always be) New Comiskey, where fans could great, wave, and make suggestions.

    Both of these are staples today.

    Roger (1978-82) and Scott Erickson (1991-95) both wore 19 for the Minnesota Twins (both were also pitchers, no relation)

    Since CFB teams many times have players on defense and offense sharing the same number on the same team, I wonder if this has ever happened where both players sharing a number had the same last name? Of course they would most likely have their first name initial included.

    Currently at the University of Arizona, Kerr Kriisa is wearing FiNOB to match the name and number of the person he was named after, Steve Kerr.

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    Great podcast! Thanks, I’m subscribed. Far be it from me, as they say, to suggest a logo tweak, but on the podcast logo you could drop the words “with” & “and” and change the color of Chris’s name to blue (to match his logo). The bold “UNIFIED” and matching circular logos above are perfect.

    For Fan Controlled Football, the teams are redrafted each week but each team has at least one “keeper”. I think that might be the silver helmet. If not, it could be for the QB or the person who has the radio. I’m not sure, just guessing.

    The Mets had a pitcher Paul Gibson who wore 45, same number as Bob Gibson wore as a Met coach for a year.

    Looks like you may have already decided – I’m always late to the party – is it too late to suggest “num-bro”? How about the all-time num-bro’s? I smell a ranking…

    John Brown and Marquise Brown for the Ravens both wore 15. John left for the Bills and Marquise was drafted that same year.

    I remember Drew Carpenter and David Carpenter both wore #39 for the 2012 Blue Jays. Same name, same position (RH RP) and only 10 days apart. (Drew’s last game with the Jays was July 31 2012, David’s first game was August 10, 2012)

    Not quite a “Same Team, Name, Number” but the Cardinals also had a pitcher in ’91-92 named Mark Clark who wore 55 (in ’92 only) is a sort of upside down and backwards version of 22.

    Cleveland Cavaliers:

    2 – Reggie and Mo Williams
    12 – Lucious and Joe Harris (James Smyth noted above that they also did this for the Nets, so this is like the SF/STL Clarks!)
    22 – Larry Nance Sr. and Jr. obviously don’t count, but I wanted to highlight this because the Cavs have retired 22 for Sr.
    31 – Jawad and Deron Williams

    Cleveland Indians:

    9: Papa and Matt Williams
    15: Johnny and Neil Allen
    21: Lloyd and Clint Brown
    22: Tony and Carlos Martínez, Al and Willie Smith, Thornton and Leron Lee, Vic and Lou Johnson
    24: Stan and Reggie Jefferson, Pedro and Carlos Gonzalez
    25: Fay and Carl Thomas
    28: Bob and Al Smith
    30: Elliot and Chris Johnson
    32: Jerry and Bob Johnson, Al and Al Smith (THE ULTIMATE STUNNer!!!)
    35: Dixie and Red Howell
    36: Dick and Reggie Williams

    Cleveland Browns:

    20: Johnny and Tavierre Thomas
    21: Dean and Stan Brown
    24: Terry and Sheldon Brown
    28: Ben and James Davis
    29: James and Brandon Jackson
    30: Ron and D’Ernest Johnson
    31: Cleo and Prince Miller
    35: Armond and C.J. Smith
    37: Bennie and Tedric Thompson
    49: Bobby and Alvin Mitchell
    67: Sid and Wally Williams
    74: Gaylon and Mark Smith
    81: Damon and David Dunn (both in 1999!)
    44: Sione Takitaki and … nah, just kidding

    Credit to Sports-Reference for all of these.

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