Treasures from the Vault

I have a memory of an All-Star game in the late 70’s. I believe it was Dave Parker of the Pirates coming to bat with a Padres helmet on. I wouldn’t even know where to sart looking for a photo of that.

As soon as I read the topic, weird Uni happenings at All-Star Games, the Lou Whitaker jersey jumped to mind. Would TC mention it, and if so, would he have a photo? Of course. Great job.

I saw that Felipe Lopez picture in the paper on Monday and immediately noticed that he and Guzman had their ribbons in different locations, but am ashamed that I missed the different hats. I have to say though, really don’t like the alternate reds.

I have a memory of an All-Star game in the late 70’s. I believe it was Dave Parker of the Pirates coming to bat with a Padres helmet on. I wouldn’t even know where to sart looking for a photo of that.

Your memory is correct as I remember seeing the same thing.

In 1972, didn’t the Red Sox debut their jerseys with the elastic waistband in the All-Star game or thereabouts? I think the announcers commented on it during the game.

Pete Rose in one All-Star game (1979?) wore a maroon batting practice jersey during the game. I don’t think that was regular attire for the team.

The wearing of another teams’ helmet seems to be commonplace in the ASG, especially if pitchers have to go to bat. I’m sure there are many examples of this.

Regarding the “gripper print” on the new unsightly rugby kits – if the print on the shoulder makes locking into a scrum easier, wouldn’t the print around the torso also make you easier to tackle? I’m thinking that’s a less than desirable trait in a rugby jersey.

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In 1972, didn’t the Red Sox debut their jerseys with the elastic waistband in the All-Star game or thereabouts? I think the announcers commented on it during the game.

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There’s a good chance that is true, “Dressed to the Nines” displays link for the 1972 Sox, meaning that they probably did switch at some point in the season to the pullovers and elastic waistbands.

For what it’s worth, Charlie Finley’s A’s wore non-uniform “unis” in the mid-70s… while the players all wore identical combinations each day, the coaches were stuck with wearing the white hats; which really looked especially weird on Joe DiMaggio during his link!

I remember the logos on the sides of the Cardinals helmets. They were of a cardinal swinging a bat and clobbering a ball, with the ball streaking across the field of the logo. Wish I had a photo… :-(

So while I was waiting for this site to be updated with today’s post, I thought I’d peruse the links. I came across the Chicago White Sox Uniform History site and came away with a few interesting nuggets that I haven’t seen posted here yet.

“For the first time the Sox were wearing red stirrups. Perhaps noting their faux pas, a white White Sox logo (a batter swinging over a white sock) was added near the top of the red stirrup. Naturally the players’ pants leg covered most of the logo, so the gesture towards franchise tradition was futile.”

And it looks like Bill Veek would have been a UNi Watch member as well, “Veeck was a real student of Sox uniform history!”

I hate the White Sox, but it was intersting to see some of the changes they made, even wearing white stiruiips over white sanies. I still don’t know why they White Sox main color is black, as the only logical explination can be 1919.

though i’m no NBA fan, i noticed what looks like a “3” on the bottom of Baron Davis’ shoe from last night’s game. he clearly wears “5” – so anyone know why that’s on his shoe?

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I’m not sure if this has been mentioned before but ESPN Classic Canada is having a link
Maybe someone there is a Uni Watch reader?

Link didn’t work:

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Lou Whitaker was also wearing Twins stirrups at that all-star game, complete with “TC” logo. They showed a close-up of them on the telly.

I can’t remember to pay my bills on time, or my mom’s birthday, but I can remember shit like that.

My special powers sucks.

My favorite part of the Lou Whitaker thing is it shows just how far sports jersey marketing has come. These days it would be infinitely easier to procure another numbered authentic jersey.

Wow, yeoman’s work on the All-Star games. Any mention of the early 70s A’s makes my day.

[quote comment=”86893″][quote comment=”86852″][quote comment=”86850″]Pete Rose in one All-Star game (1979?) wore a maroon batting practice jersey during the game. I don’t think that was regular attire for the team.[/quote]

I recall it as a maroon T-shirt or pullover. And I also recall that that’s what really jump-started the move toward colored BP jerseys.[/quote][/quote]

I remember the game and I’m sure it was a BP jersey. That was around the time the Yankees introduced their black BP shirts I coveted. Just a symbol of Rose’s desperate need for attention I suppose.

[quote comment=”86857″]Regarding the “gripper print” on the new unsightly rugby kits – if the print on the shoulder makes locking into a scrum easier, wouldn’t the print around the torso also make you easier to tackle? I’m thinking that’s a less than desirable trait in a rugby jersey.[/quote]

Having the stuff on your body doesn’t actually make much difference. You need two sticky surfaces to make the system work. A lot of guys I played football with in high school wore rubberized elbow/arm sleeves that grip the ball better than skin (see Jerome Bettis). While it works on tackified leather (like a football), the rubber isn’t actually that “grippy”. UnderArmour actually made a long-sleeve “turf shirt” with the tacky panels built in, and again, it works on a leather ball, but your hand doesn’t seem to stick to it. In football, tacky gloves don’t help you tackle any better than bare hands. You still need another tacky surface to make them stick.

You mean they wore the helmet logos in non-All-Star Game situation?

As I recall, yes. Only for a year or two at the most.

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Having the stuff on your body doesn’t actually make much difference. You need two sticky surfaces to make the system work. A lot of guys I played football with in high school wore rubberized elbow/arm sleeves that grip the ball better than skin (see Jerome Bettis). While it works on tackified leather (like a football), the rubber isn’t actually that “grippy”. UnderArmour actually made a long-sleeve “turf shirt” with the tacky panels built in, and again, it works on a leather ball, but your hand doesn’t seem to stick to it. In football, tacky gloves don’t help you tackle any better than bare hands. You still need another tacky surface to make them stick.[/quote]

You’re right this makes sense… although… the tackling in rugby (is supposed to) involves wrapping up so conceivably if two teams had these grippy uniforms, the shoulder grippy of the tackling player could end up in contact with the grippy torso part of the tackled player… but I think I’m way over analyzing. Plus if two teams played in uniforms that ugly there would be bigger problems than possible tackling assistance.

[quote comment=”86921″][quote comment=”86904″][quote comment=”86874″][quote comment=”86867″]I remember the logos on the sides of the Cardinals helmets. They were of a cardinal swinging a bat and clobbering a ball, with the ball streaking across the field of the logo. Wish I had a photo… :-([/quote]

You mean they wore the helmet logos in non-All-Star Game situation?[/quote]

I looked for photographic evidence myself (haven’t found any), but I did run accross link, which features a few uni gems.[/quote]

What uniform is Wally Moon wearing in is 1954 rookie year? Being from STL, I thought I had seen them all, but I am not farmiliar with that uniform combo.[/quote]

Nevermind, I found it.

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I hadn’t seen those uniforms. Obviously they were not very popular, they only lasted a year.

[quote comment=”86903″]Wow, yeoman’s work on the All-Star games. Any mention of the early 70s A’s makes my day.[/quote]

Not sure if this is early 70’s enough for ya but I think we all appreciate the link.

TC (and Paul),

Huge kudos on those A’s pix. I’d forgotten Finley’s All-Star shenanigans. Too bad they couldn’t get anyone to wear the famous link.

And I think Vida in those all yellows was just nostalgic for his link …

During Bill Veeck’s second ownership of the White Sox, he sold the advertising rights to the tarp to Morton Salt. With the tagline, “When it Rains, It Pours.”

[quote comment=”86886″]How could you leave off this spectacle between Randy Johnson and Larry Walker when Walker turned his link around? Not too uni-related, but an All Star uni moment none the less.[/quote]

He was paying tribute to John Kruk, who did it in the 1993 ASG.

Does anyone know the name of the font used in this logo …

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… or where I can find it?

Or what the name of the font is used in the current Warrior Logo?

Thanks,

Sir Jock Strap

Not a big star, but a uni cameo nonetheless.

Brady Anderson with the Red Sox

Speaking of All-Star games, I think Rose and Parker both wore BP jerseys in the 1985 game. Also, there was a practice of players wearing white shoes in All-Star games even though their team did not wear them. Carter wore white shoes in 81, Tommy Herr wore white shoes in 85. Several Expo players wore them in 82, I think. Dwight Gooden wore white shoes one year, if I’m not mistaken. It was 1986, I think. I remember the Dave Steib at-bat in 81, but I thought he was wearing a Mariners helmet. Does anybody else remember that?

55/100 on the Soccer quiz. Not too bad for just looking at each image once.

BTW, did anyone post a picture of the lovely link? Not the best image, but you get the idea.

[quote comment=”86940″][quote comment=”86880″]Are you sure you aren’t mixing the Lambeau 50th anniversary logo up with the one link[/quote]
I am pretty sure that is what Paul is talking about. I was in college in Green Bay (St. Norbert College) when that logo came out, and it was indeed created for the “Rebirth of a Legend” when Lambeau Field did its renovations. I guess they were too lazy to make something else up. But in all honesty… I think it’s a classic logo, so I’m glad they used it again.[/quote]
It’s not that they’re lazy at all. The “old” player design is part of the link, which appears everywhere around the stadium.

My friends think I am crazy when I tell them about Uni Watch. BUT I LOVE IT!!!! I look at it everyday. THANKS PAUL!!!

During Bill Veeck’s second ownership of the White Sox, he sold the advertising rights to the tarp to Morton Salt. With the tagline, “When it Rains, It Pours.”

I remember the Braves had Morton Salt on their tarp at Fulton County Stadium in 1986.

The wearing of white shoes in an All-Star game remains common, doesn’t it? It’s something that a few ballplayers seem to do every year, and appears to have started in the early 1980s.

That link article is awfully hacky. Maple bats, while less likely to split lengthwise than ash bats, are much more likely to shatter completely. And Travis Hafner’s nickname is a mashup of the words “Project” and “Donkey,” not “Prospect” and “Donkey.”

[quote comment=”86988″]I’m surprised no one is pointing out some of the uni-gaffes in that Felipe Lopez photo. Apart from having the (ugly) curly W instead of the (awesome) interlocking DC, and the breast cancer pin on the wrong side, he’s got the cuffs of his pants down almost to his heels and — the worst of them all — the top of his jersey is unbuttoned.

In other Nats notes, Ryan Zimmerman was wearing long pants for the first time I’ve seen in a long time last night. I didn’t look through pictures from last Saturday, but he must’ve been wearing them when he hit the walk-off GS against the Marlins.[/quote]

Zim’s grand slam…link

I have a picture of him from the Cubs series a week and a half ago, but there’s way too much work involved in putting it online…(voice of Red Stripe guy) boooo laziness.

[quote comment=”86906″][quote comment=”86893″][quote comment=”86852″][quote comment=”86850″]Pete Rose in one All-Star game (1979?) wore a maroon batting practice jersey during the game. I don’t think that was regular attire for the team.[/quote]

I recall it as a maroon T-shirt or pullover. And I also recall that that’s what really jump-started the move toward colored BP jerseys.[/quote][/quote]

I remember the game and I’m sure it was a BP jersey. That was around the time the Yankees introduced their black BP shirts I coveted. Just a symbol of Rose’s desperate need for attention I suppose.[/quote]

For the umpteenth time, the Yankees wear NAVY not black.

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How is it that so many people make this mistake? Again, I can see how you may be able to make an argument like “the color on my TV is screwed up” or something like that, but c’mon!–there are people wearing Yankee gear frigging everywhere![/quote]

As someone who has gone to work wearing one black shoe and one navy shoe, its not aways easy to tell. That said I thought the Yankees wearing navy is common knowledge, at least around here.

[quote comment=”86983″]During Bill Veeck’s second ownership of the White Sox, he sold the advertising rights to the tarp to Morton Salt. With the tagline, “When it Rains, It Pours.”

I remember the Braves had Morton Salt on their tarp at Fulton County Stadium in 1986.

The wearing of white shoes in an All-Star game remains common, doesn’t it? It’s something that a few ballplayers seem to do every year, and appears to have started in the early 1980s.[/quote]

I know the Yankee tarp, when rolled up anyway, has the distinguishable 3 stripes running horizontal, with the addidas logo on it. The tarp is black [sorry navy ;)] and white.

That said I thought the Yankees wearing navy is common knowledge, at least around here.

And, of course, should be common knowledge among Uniwatchers. But speaking as someone west of the Hudson (gratefully, it’s not “frigging everywhere” out here), it often looks like a very dark navy — and many pix in newspapers and online (you can adjust your TV …) make it look a lot closer to black than blue.

Ive noticed that the Cardinals have a white dots on the tops of their batting helmets(road and home). However the “beans” on the field caps are red. Cant find a pic but its there. I ask you fellow Uni-Watchers WTF? What other teams do this, and why do they do it?

[quote comment=”86974″][quote comment=”86940″][quote comment=”86880″]Are you sure you aren’t mixing the Lambeau 50th anniversary logo up with the one link[/quote]
I am pretty sure that is what Paul is talking about. I was in college in Green Bay (St. Norbert College) when that logo came out, and it was indeed created for the “Rebirth of a Legend” when Lambeau Field did its renovations. I guess they were too lazy to make something else up. But in all honesty… I think it’s a classic logo, so I’m glad they used it again.[/quote]
It’s not that they’re lazy at all. The “old” player design is part of the link, which appears everywhere around the stadium.[/quote]
I understand that… but I am pretty sure that the “old player logo” wasn’t introduced until after the renovations of Lambeau Field.

[quote comment=”87028″][quote comment=”87025″]That said I thought the Yankees wearing navy is common knowledge, at least around here.

And, of course, should be common knowledge among Uniwatchers. But speaking as someone west of the Hudson (gratefully, it’s not “frigging everywhere” out here), it often looks like a very dark navy — and many pix in newspapers and online (you can adjust your TV …) make it look a lot closer to black than blue.[/quote]

I’ve heard this same mistake made about the Bears. While I understand that sometimes it looks like black, any real sports fan, not just a uniwatcher, should know the colors of the teams. Even if sometimes they appear to be what they aren’t.[/quote]

Yeah, sorry–I certainly wasn’t trying to sound condescending (but it seems some took it that way). I think Jason said it better than I did.

And yes, I’ve totally worn one black sock with one navy sock before, the color are very similar, especially in low light levels while trying to get dressed in the morning before your eyes are fully operational. It’s an honest (if not emabarassing) mistake, but with all the exposure teams like the yankees get, it makes Jason’s point even more applicable in this case.

While I understand that sometimes it looks like black, any real sports fan, not just a uniwatcher, should know the colors of the teams.

Agreed — but when you see something like link your monitor has to be seriously tweeked for Clemens’ gear to not look black. And I don’t see much blue in that corporate backdrop either.

Something like link doesn’t help either. You can’t tell me the jacket 2nd from right (albeit a different style) isn’t a different color than the others, which look — on my monitor — a lot more navy-esque.

Maybe somethin’ with their laundry …?

[quote comment=”87032″][quote comment=”86974″][quote comment=”86940″][quote comment=”86880″]Are you sure you aren’t mixing the Lambeau 50th anniversary logo up with the one link[/quote]
I am pretty sure that is what Paul is talking about. I was in college in Green Bay (St. Norbert College) when that logo came out, and it was indeed created for the “Rebirth of a Legend” when Lambeau Field did its renovations. I guess they were too lazy to make something else up. But in all honesty… I think it’s a classic logo, so I’m glad they used it again.[/quote]
It’s not that they’re lazy at all. The “old” player design is part of the link, which appears everywhere around the stadium.[/quote]
I understand that… but I am pretty sure that the “old player logo” wasn’t introduced until after the renovations of Lambeau Field.[/quote]
According to link it was up at least at the time the renovation had started (Dec. 2001) and my memory has those signs up well before then.

[quote comment=”87057″][quote comment=”87054″][quote comment=”87027″]Ive noticed that the Cardinals have a white dots on the tops of their batting helmets(road and home). However the “beans” on the field caps are red. Cant find a pic but its there. I ask you fellow Uni-Watchers WTF? What other teams do this, and why do they do it?[/quote]

A few other teams do this; both the Cubs and Astros and possibly the Pirates all come to mind. Paul did either a blog entry or an espn article about this sometime last year I think. The main reason is that batting helmets were originally supposed to simple, hardened versions of the cap worn on the field. In fact I think the Pirates even attempted to wear them in lieu of regular caps in the field in the early 1960s. But the dot on top of the batting helmet is a leftover from this effort to make them look, from a distance, like a regular baseball cap.[/quote]

I think, based upon rereading your question, I completely misunderstood what you were asking. Sorry.[/quote]
You’re right, though. Paul did a piece about this a while back. I think its only one of the helmet manufacturers that does it and its sort of a trademark or something. Little help here?

[quote comment=”87057″][quote comment=”87054″][quote comment=”87027″]Ive noticed that the Cardinals have a white dots on the tops of their batting helmets(road and home). However the “beans” on the field caps are red. Cant find a pic but its there. I ask you fellow Uni-Watchers WTF? What other teams do this, and why do they do it?[/quote]

A few other teams do this; both the Cubs and Astros and possibly the Pirates all come to mind. Paul did either a blog entry or an espn article about this sometime last year I think. The main reason is that batting helmets were originally supposed to simple, hardened versions of the cap worn on the field. In fact I think the Pirates even attempted to wear them in lieu of regular caps in the field in the early 1960s. But the dot on top of the batting helmet is a leftover from this effort to make them look, from a distance, like a regular baseball cap.[/quote]

I think, based upon rereading your question, I completely misunderstood what you were asking. Sorry.[/quote]

Still a correct answer though, kind of. ABC (I think) put the white dot on the helmet to mimic the button on the hats, but as a type of signature mark, added the white dot to all helmets, even for teams that didn’t have a differnet colored hat button. Teams could, however, request a different color (I believe the Phillies helmet had a blue dot), but apparently most didn’t bother.

i saw a commercial for lamisil or one of those athlete foot’s creams last night. its an old one but seeing it reminded me of this. the guy has on a stirrup and the sani underneath, but its pretty clear he is wearing a football cleat. what gives? has this been mentioned on here before?

[quote comment=”87055″][quote comment=”87032″][quote comment=”86974″][quote comment=”86940″][quote comment=”86880″]Are you sure you aren’t mixing the Lambeau 50th anniversary logo up with the one link[/quote]
I am pretty sure that is what Paul is talking about. I was in college in Green Bay (St. Norbert College) when that logo came out, and it was indeed created for the “Rebirth of a Legend” when Lambeau Field did its renovations. I guess they were too lazy to make something else up. But in all honesty… I think it’s a classic logo, so I’m glad they used it again.[/quote]
It’s not that they’re lazy at all. The “old” player design is part of the link, which appears everywhere around the stadium.[/quote]
I understand that… but I am pretty sure that the “old player logo” wasn’t introduced until after the renovations of Lambeau Field.[/quote]
According to link it was up at least at the time the renovation had started (Dec. 2001) and my memory has those signs up well before then.[/quote]
Good find and good call… so does anyone know when that logo was introduced first???

Why is the “s” on the link covered up?

[quote comment=”87102″]Why is the “s” on the link covered up?[/quote]

In 1970 Charles Finley officially changed the team name from the Athletics to the “A’s” and was the first year that an “apostrophe-s” appeared after the traditional “A” logo.

“todd where the heck did you find the pic of pete in a pads hat? he has that “what the heck am I doing here” look on his face.”

I think the Pete Rose in the SD Padres hat is from an article sports illustrated did in 1979 when Pete was a free agent. They pictured him in the hat from I think every team in the league or every team that had an interest in him. I vividly remember him in the Yankees hat giving a thumbs down as well. I kept this sports illustrated for years,since at the time I was a little kid in Cincinnati and a complete idiot for everything Pete Rose. I would be willing to bet this picture is from this article. It may even have been a cover article. I am going to look through my reds stuff now to see if I still have it.

No I’ll try this with text in it. The Yomiuri Giants have had had Tokyo in their name, but I think they prefer the Yomiuri designation for corporate purposes. The only team that uses Tokyo in its name is the far less popular Tokyo Yakult Swallows, and that’s only recently.

Since the Giants are easily the most popular team in Japan, they don’t need an identifier other than “Giants.”

The second most popular team, the Hanshin Tigers, has never used its city name, Nishinomiya, as far as I know. They could go for the region “Kansai”, but Tigers has enough ID value for them.

Another note on the new Nike Rugby Kits:

…notice how in link the red “whatever” that sprays across the shirt and shorts doesn’t line up evenly with the shirt. And the red “whatever” isn’t “uniform” throughout (notice the difference between far left and second from the left). Did I mention how bad these look!

The new England rugby kit is crazily ugly. I don’t really like uniforms that seem to mess with abstract modern designs. Stripes and quarters are generally fine by me.

The cut of the shirt doesn’t look like anything new. It appears to be exactly the same as the next most recent design link which I have, and significantly prefer. The odd red bits on that do at least follow the lines of the body.

(First post, woohoo)

Regarding the 1975 All Star Game, I recall Gary Carter making a cameo in the 9th inning playing the outfield wearing a batting helmet.

Any screen captures to affirm my memory?

About the new nightmarish Nike rugby jerseys, I’ve sent an email to the curator of the Rugby Museum at Twickenham about it. I can’t wait to hear what he thinks about it, even though he’ll probably have to tone it down because, you know, the people who pay his salary made the decision…

[quote comment=”86944″][quote comment=”86886″]How could you leave off this spectacle between Randy Johnson and Larry Walker when Walker turned his link around? Not too uni-related, but an All Star uni moment none the less.[/quote]

He was paying tribute to John Kruk, who did it in the 1993 ASG.[/quote]

I was 5, and therefore the only thing I remember about 1993 is the floods here in Iowa :-)

Link to Helmet

The Broncos have a special helmet sticker to commemorate Darrent Williams and Damien Nash’s passing.

I know it’s kind of tasteless and I apologize, but I think it looks awkward on the side with the current player’s number. But with the 9/11 flags on all the helmets, the other side probably wouldn’t look any better either. I at least expected something in team colors.

I don’t know if this has been mentioned, and I apologize for not checking, but Rafael Furcal is on fire (four hits in each of his last three games…1 for 1 so far tonight)

I figured out the obvious reason for this.

link his hot streak.

And link hot streak.

Love it Raffy…Keep it (the pants) up!!!

Vamos dodgers!!

I think it was the 1989 All-Star Game when Harold Baines was missing the scripted “C” logo from his batting helmet. Anyone remember this or have a photo?

Just a note on the Mets game today. Oliver Perez was shown in the dugout wearing new glasses. I’m not sure if he’ll be wearing them when he pitches.

I seem to recall in the 1987 All-Star Game in Oakland, when batting in the 13th, Andre Dawson was wearing a Montreal Expos batting helmet. Yet he was a member of the Cubs at the time. I can’t seem to find a photo of it but I’m pretty sure that’s the way it happened.

[quote comment=”88225″][quote comment=”87873″]I seem to recall in the 1987 All-Star Game in Oakland, when batting in the 13th, Andre Dawson was wearing a Montreal Expos batting helmet. Yet he was a member of the Cubs at the time. I can’t seem to find a photo of it but I’m pretty sure that’s the way it happened.[/quote

You’re thinking of Tim Raines who was playing for the Expos at the time. Dawson started the game and was replaced by Jeffrey Leonard by the time the 13th rolled around.[/quote]

ACTUALLY…I think you’re thinking of Lee Smith, who wore Tim Raines’ helmet while hitting late in the game. :)