There’s No Service Like Wire Service, Vol. 2

something wrong with the last links in the ticker?

in the Beat Iowa pic, check out the ref’s stirrups:

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[quote comment=”370577″]here is an interesting pic of that little F&*# wearing footy boots:

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why is welker a “little F&*#?”

just think… this idea actually got cleared for production, or signed off by someone… really:

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Another interesting thing about George Hincapie (the cyclist) on of the main reasons he signed on with BMC this year is because they were willing to use his brand of cycling apparel.

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So this adds George Hincapie to the short list of professional athletes who have competed in their own uniform brand. I know Brooks Robinson did this, who are the others?

[quote comment=”370578″][quote comment=”370577″]here is an interesting pic of that little F&*# wearing footy boots:

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why is welker a “little F&*#?”[/quote]

He is a little rat bastard who always seems to make big plays when I least want him to, thus he is a little F&*#.

BTW…if anyone didnt see from last night, the Fiesta Bowl featured some nice kicks:

Iowa Hyperdunk cleats on #94:

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Notice their chrome bottom plate as opposed to Miami’s green and orange:

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Tackler wearing all black HD:
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Super Bad III on Nesbitt:

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In this pic, Nesbitt is being pursued by an Iowa defender wearing the Bizarro (opposite) version of his:

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BTW…note to all NFL players…This is how you wear socks:

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The interesting thing about that Dodgers picture, besides the uniforms is – Where was it taken? It’s not the coliseum, so was it Wrigley LA (they briefly thought about using it)? Vero Beach (makes sense for February)?

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He is a little rat bastard who always seems to make big plays when I least want him to, thus he is a little F&*#.

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you do realize he led the league in catches (123) despite missing 2 games this year, and due to his wearing nike cleats, tore both his acl & mcl last weekend, ending his season

i hope you’re happy

[quote comment=”370591″]What was the sticker on the top right side of Iowa’s helmets last night? Was it the old ANF sticker? I haven’t seen any other Iowa games this year and didn’t know if that has been there all year, or something that was just brought out for the bowl game.[/quote]

Not sure about that one but i can tell you why some nevada helmets have a colored stripe down the middle.

regarding the cameraman for the basketball game wearing a MLB shirt, you’ll very often find sideline cameramen wearing clothing from different games/sports than they are actively covering. They usually aren’t on the “free gear distribution list”, so when they get something they like, they’ll put it in the regular rotation.

Check out the lighting guys at the next concert you go to and see how many are wearing shirts from that show on them. Especially if it’s a John Mayer concert!

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Thank you Georgia Tech for wearing the dullest, least inspired GT unis ever.

Which is appropriate, since they played the dullest, least inspired football I’ve ever witnessed them play.

Why can’t uni designers leave well enough alone? GT is a famous retro look.

I hated Christian hockey sticks. With a passion. They held more water in the blade than I thought was physically possible. I used them for about 3 months and will never do so again.

Those 1958 Topps cards with the odd “SF” never were a prototype cap. Just an airbrush artist changing NY Giants photos and guessing the re-located Giants would use a logo similar to the SF Seals. The Ray Monzant is a late series card, for which photos actually were shot in ’58. Also, most of the ’58 set shows the Cubs in their hats with white piping. Only the final series cards from that year show the hats sans piping and with the narrower white outline on teh “C”.

That particular “SF” hat existed only on cardboard.

Similar thing happened on the ’55 Topps set, when A’s moved from Philadelphia to KC. Artist took a guess at the hats. Wasn’t right then, either. This “KC” hat is on virtually every A’s ’55 card, but the hat never saw the light of day.

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—Ricko

[quote comment=”370582″]Another interesting thing about George Hincapie (the cyclist) on of the main reasons he signed on with BMC this year is because they were willing to use his brand of cycling apparel.

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So this adds George Hincapie to the short list of professional athletes who have competed in their own uniform brand. I know Brooks Robinson did this, who are the others?[/quote]

Teppo Numminen used to own 80% of Montreal Sports Ltd, which is a company founded by Teppo’s father, Kalevi. The company produces ice hockey sticks and equipment and was recently sold to the large hockey brand Warrior. Teppo used Montreal sticks while playing in the NHL.

I believe the sticks were made in Europe. The “Monreal” brand was so named because it sounded like a good name for hockey sticks.

Regarding the Blind Side question, Coach Fulmer also showed up for filming with one of his 2003-model adidas polo shirts to wear, but because of the stripes on the shoulders that were far too large to be blacked out, they had to find a blank white polo and added an iron-on T.

[quote comment=”370586″]BTW…note to all NFL players…This is how you wear socks:

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Courtesy of M. Hoge. Proper Sockage!!

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The black Mets shirts in the wedding pic are great in all…yada yada…but how about that brides rack!? Nice uni on her!

[quote comment=”370586″]BTW…note to all NFL players…This is how you wear socks:

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nah…that’s too low

osi is an example of way “too low”…whereas the other guy in the pic is an example of “just right”

White socks too low make vast majority of players’ legs (from calves down) look skinny and brittle.

When socks are black, also look like crows from a Warner Brothers cartoon.
“I theeenk I see a grasshoppuuuuurrrr.”

—Ricko

[quote comment=”370616″]White socks too low make vast majority of players’ legs (from calves down) look skinny and brittle.

When socks are black, also look like crows from a Warner Brothers cartoon.
“I theeenk I see a grasshoppuuuuurrrr.”

—Ricko[/quote]

Which is exactly why I don’t like the white, becuase I have huge calves.

It’s also because no one cares if you win 95 or 97 games in baseball, whereas there’s a big difference between going 16-0 or 14-2.

[quote comment=”370613″][quote comment=”370609″][quote comment=”370586″]BTW…note to all NFL players…This is how you wear socks:

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Courtesy of M. Hoge. Proper Sockage!!

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Too bad he can’t remember that![/quote]

Ha! Good one.

[quote comment=”370621″][quote comment=”370612″]The black Mets shirts in the wedding pic are great in all…yada yada…but how about that brides rack!? Nice uni on her![/quote]
Hilariously inappropriate. Nicely played John.[/quote]
Uh, yeah. That was much classier than the typically trite “Uh, Mets shirts? I don’t see any Mets shirts in that pic.” Bravo.

MetsMetsMets00MetsMetsMets

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How come no one gets all up and indignant when MLB teans give September call ups playing time or starting pitching gigs?

—Ricko[/quote]

Because no one really bothers watching much baseball until the World Series. The season is too long and no one cares about the last few games after their team has clinched or been eliminated.

[quote comment=”370630″]MetsMetsMets00MetsMetsMets[/quote]
Now that’s how it’s done.

Here’s a better glimpse of the Seals SF logo …

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That is a Seals “SF” logo. Check out, midway through this audio slideshow …

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here’s a grab

nice pull!

[quote comment=”370633″][quote comment=”370630″]MetsMetsMets00MetsMetsMets[/quote]

shouldn’t that be (.)(.)?[/quote]

Better!

[quote comment=”370637″][quote comment=”370628″][quote comment=”370621″][quote comment=”370612″]The black Mets shirts in the wedding pic are great in all…yada yada…but how about that brides rack!? Nice uni on her![/quote]
Hilariously inappropriate. Nicely played John.[/quote]
Uh, yeah. That was much classier than the typically trite “Uh, Mets shirts? I don’t see any Mets shirts in that pic.” Bravo.[/quote]

I was gonna say I just shook my head and was reminded yet again how the Mets in black look like a bunch of boobs.

—Ricko[/quote]

She does wear it very well…

Phil and Paul – you should be excited about the Bay signing. A good Canadian Boy! From Trail BC, Home of the Smoke Eaters! They have murals on buildings around town, including this one:

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Cool. Remember the Smoke Eaters jersey was included in the Hockey News Greatest of All Time issue last month.

[quote comment=”370622″]Because nobody bets on baseball. That’s what this is all about.[/quote]
I thought the Hokie Pokie was what it was all about? That’s what they taught me at Virginia Tech………

Ricko, what do you mean by “sledding gear”? . . .

Still think the Colts should have tried for 16-0. By the time the second round of the playoffs start, the Colts and Saints will have been 0-5 since mid-December and will have not won in a month.

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For the record, I was unimpressed with Tech’s unis. But they were better than the yoke job they wore during the regular season.[/quote]

They did look better.

hahahaha i was typing earlier and the page messed up on me. musta posted.

Still have no idea why anyone would suggest splitting the pac10 into divisions

[quote comment=”370625″][quote comment=”370622″][quote comment=”370619″]How come no one gets all up and indignant when MLB teans give September call ups playing time or starting pitching gigs?[/quote]

Because nobody bets on baseball. That’s what this is all about.[/quote]

‘cept Pete.

(You’re absolutely right, of course, which was kinda my bassackwards point. Such an unfortunate reality. And don’t forget the fantasy players. Tony Kornheiser says THEY’RE important, too…along with the gamblers.)

—Ricko[/quote]

But there’s fantasy baseball. Where’s the outrage from those players?

Hey, didn’t David Stern punish some NBA teams a few years ago for resting players? Thought there was some uproar about people who paid too much for tickets and they “didn’t get their money’s worth” or some crap like that.

Hey sports fans…well, if you’re REAL sports fans you don’t need to hear this…hey casual sports fans, going to a game is like going to a play or a restaurant or any other outing. Players, actors, items and other things are subject to change without notice. There is no guarantee on a ticket stating that the best players will play all the time and to your heart’s content. Learn to live with that fact, or you can donate your tickets to the Jim V. Can’t Afford Season Tickets Foundation. Maybe you can get a tax deduction…

As for you gamblers and fantasy people, if that’s the only way you can enjoy sports, you’re not a real fan. Find something else to bet on and leave the games alone.

[quote comment=”370585″]THe reds cap reminded me of the 1986 Pirates baseball cards, which I assume were taken in Spring Training 1985. The ols Pillbox caps were also all mesh.
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Jim Leyland’s Pirates mesh cap is clutch!

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[quote comment=”370647″][quote comment=”370619″]How come no one gets all up and indignant when MLB teans give September call ups playing time or starting pitching gigs?

—Ricko[/quote]
162 games vs 16 games.

Plus, baseball only has Division Winners and a Wild Card per League to contend with, and you’re really only playing divisional games at the end of the season. And the Wild Card is usually decided by then. So playing callups late in the season has a marginal at best affect on the postseason.

Lets put it this way. The Colts rested their starters the last 3 games of the season. Thats roughly 20% of the season they didn’t play their starters. In baseball, you’d have to play callups for 31 games to have the same affect. And thats assuming these callups would be playing against teams that would directly affect the postseason seeding. If you’re playing callups with 30 games to go on a regular basis, you’re either too far out of it (would have lost the games anyway) or so far in front that nobody within your division stands a chance at the Wild Card. And because you only play intra-division in late August through the end of the season, it wouldn’t have any affect at all on the outcome of the season.[/quote]

Colts actually played all out to go to 14-0 against Jacksonville.

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Then they pulled their starters after 1 half against NYJ. So in reality it was 1.5 games which is 9.375% which translated to baseball games would be 15 games. And of course we all know that pitchers pitch 9 innings every game.

[quote comment=”370620″][quote comment=”370608″][quote comment=”370606″][quote comment=”370586″]BTW…note to all NFL players…This is how you wear socks:

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Ugh. Negative. Raise the white a little higher.[/quote]

What’s the rule? Five inches of white should be showing above the shoe top? Something like that? Pretty sure there’s a specific (or semi-specific) description of some kind in NF uni rules.

—Ricko[/quote]

The official regulation states that “the exterior stocking must be solid white from the top of the shoe to the midpoint of the lower leg, with approved team color or colors from that midpoint to the top of the stocking.”[/quote]

Kirk Ferentz mandated before the start of the 2008 season that they all wear their socks/stockings up in a traditional NFL sense, unlike the popular college bare legs look. (can’t find the article) I’d be curious to hear if they arbitrarily chose that length or if it was an actual attempt at NFL regulations. Guessing arbitrary effort.

[quote comment=”370589″][quote comment=”370582″]Another interesting thing about George Hincapie (the cyclist) on of the main reasons he signed on with BMC this year is because they were willing to use his brand of cycling apparel.

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So this adds George Hincapie to the short list of professional athletes who have competed in their own uniform brand. I know Brooks Robinson did this, who are the others?[/quote]

You hockey guys can correct me if i’m wrong (like i need to say that) but i seem to remember dave christian on the caps using a christian brand of stick that i think his family manufactured. does that count?[/quote]
Don’t know if his family owned the company, its in MN. It was shut down and has now been purchased in large part by Dustin Byfuglien of the Blackhawks who is from MN. I still use a Christian GX3, replacing my DX3. The newer ones has got to be 14 years old. Wish I could still find the blades, I loved them.

Some 2010 MLS shirts are being leaked. Not sure if these are 100% official, and note that some of the shirts pictured are replicas vs. authentic.

New England Revolution
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Can’t stand those silver shoulder blotches or the red piping on the white shirts.

Kansas City Wizards
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Some others (including Chivas USA, LA Galaxy) can be seen in various threads on the message boards at BigSoccer.com

When is MLB Properties going to make a white Senators cap available? That would be great to have — just like the white A’s coaches hats from the 70s.!

[quote comment=”370659″][quote comment=”370624″]It’s also because no one cares if you win 95 or 97 games in baseball, whereas there’s a big difference between going 16-0 or 14-2.[/quote]

Tell that to the 2007 Mets.[/quote]

dammit jonathon ;)

[quote comment=”370661″]I disagree that this sort of talk doesn’t happen in baseball.

I haven’t heard a lot about it lately but I heard about it a lot in the 1970s-1980s. You’d have managers like Martin and Weaver accusing another team (usually one that’s out of the pennant race rather than one that’s clinched) of starting a weaker lineup to favour one team over another in a pennant race.

They always said that it was one of the unwritten rules of baseball. In a game with pennant implications, you put your best lineup on the field even if you’re out of it and would rather get your September callups some playing time.[/quote]

I second this motion.

Also, in baseball, they play 162 games over approximately 200 days (give or take). During the course of those 162, pretty much every player takes a few days rest here and there. Nobody gets all freaked out when Superstar Joe Blow takes a day off in June.

Could you imagine if the Colts had rested Petyton Manning, et al., in October? “He just needed a breather…”

I was looking for a reference of the Billy Martin-coached Oakland A’s wearing white undershirts and ran across this: link
In it:
– Martin, managing the Yankees, was complaining about the White Sox pitcher wearing a white undershirt and had it removed.
– Joe Adcock complaining – also in ’67 – about the A’s white shoes.
– Efforts to have pitchers’ jewelry removed because of perceived distraction.
If I remember correctly, about those Oakland A’s white undershirts, not only were they white, but cut also so they were a flappin in the wind. Billy knew the rule book and could play both sides against the other

[quote comment=”370660″][quote comment=”370620″][quote comment=”370608″][quote comment=”370606″][quote comment=”370586″]BTW…note to all NFL players…This is how you wear socks:

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Ugh. Negative. Raise the white a little higher.[/quote]

What’s the rule? Five inches of white should be showing above the shoe top? Something like that? Pretty sure there’s a specific (or semi-specific) description of some kind in NF uni rules.

—Ricko[/quote]

The official regulation states that “the exterior stocking must be solid white from the top of the shoe to the midpoint of the lower leg, with approved team color or colors from that midpoint to the top of the stocking.”[/quote]

Kirk Ferentz mandated before the start of the 2008 season that they all wear their socks/stockings up in a traditional NFL sense, unlike the popular college bare legs look. (can’t find the article) I’d be curious to hear if they arbitrarily chose that length or if it was an actual attempt at NFL regulations. Guessing arbitrary effort.[/quote]

I was so disappointed when the Sooners wore their red pro socks against Stanford in the Sun Bowl last week…I wish they’d have just pulled the all white socks up to the knees like back in the early 80’s. Not a lot of picks but Landry Jones (pic #6) is wearing them as the NFL mandates.
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Iowa had the crazy Nike logo gloves, too. (Scroll down to see pick of Iowa player)

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Anyone else catch the Georgia Tech Riflery gloves last night?

A GT player (number 34 I think) flashed them as the team came onto the field.

Thought it was interesting since they wear Russell jerseys.

[quote comment=”370662″][quote comment=”370589″][quote comment=”370582″]Another interesting thing about George Hincapie (the cyclist) on of the main reasons he signed on with BMC this year is because they were willing to use his brand of cycling apparel.

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So this adds George Hincapie to the short list of professional athletes who have competed in their own uniform brand. I know Brooks Robinson did this, who are the others?[/quote]

You hockey guys can correct me if i’m wrong (like i need to say that) but i seem to remember dave christian on the caps using a christian brand of stick that i think his family manufactured. does that count?[/quote]
Don’t know if his family owned the company, its in MN. It was shut down and has now been purchased in large part by Dustin Byfuglien of the Blackhawks who is from MN. I still use a Christian GX3, replacing my DX3. The newer ones has got to be 14 years old. Wish I could still find the blades, I loved them.[/quote]
Never made the Christian and Dave Christian connection. But I certainly remember the Puckmaster blade and the Curtis Curve goalie stick. Neither of which I ever used.
But noting the Teppo Numminen/Montreal sticks connection as well, that’s just equipment. I think a more appropriate comparison to George Hincapie and Brooks Robinson’s personal brands outfitting their whole team (themselves included) would be, for example, if Michael Jordan’s Bulls or Wizards actually had Jumpmen on the jocktags.
Or, speaking of Chicago…isn’t it true that the Bears used Wilson products because of a direct connection to George Halas?

Further evidence:

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osi wears ’em right

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[quote comment=”370622″][quote comment=”370619″]How come no one gets all up and indignant when MLB teans give September call ups playing time or starting pitching gigs?[/quote]

Because nobody bets on baseball. That’s what this is all about.[/quote]

Sure, that is a major part of it. There are other issues though (I live in New Orleans, so I’ve heard all the arguments from actual fans).

1. 1 game is 1/16th of the season. 2 games 1/8th the season. If a MLB team used scrubs for 10-20 games, they’d get a similar bashing.

2. Everyone rests in baseball (sans the rare player that plays all 162). Its part of the game. In football there is a valid argument that resting one game ruins momentum, and that its better to be playing real games as much as possible. Not sure I agree- but it IS a valid point.

[quote comment=”370589″][quote comment=”370582″]Another interesting thing about George Hincapie (the cyclist) on of the main reasons he signed on with BMC this year is because they were willing to use his brand of cycling apparel.

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So this adds George Hincapie to the short list of professional athletes who have competed in their own uniform brand. I know Brooks Robinson did this, who are the others?[/quote]

You hockey guys can correct me if i’m wrong (like i need to say that) but i seem to remember dave christian on the caps using a christian brand of stick that i think his family manufactured. does that count?[/quote]

You’re correct. The family company included both Dave Christian (Miracle on Ice) as well as his father Bill and his uncle Roger, who were both gold medalists in the 1960 Winter Olympics). All from Warroad, Minnesota.

[quote comment=”370647″][quote comment=”370619″]How come no one gets all up and indignant when MLB teans give September call ups playing time or starting pitching gigs?

—Ricko[/quote]
162 games vs 16 games.

Plus, baseball only has Division Winners and a Wild Card per League to contend with, and you’re really only playing divisional games at the end of the season. And the Wild Card is usually decided by then. So playing callups late in the season has a marginal at best affect on the postseason.

Lets put it this way. The Colts rested their starters the last 3 games of the season. Thats roughly 20% of the season they didn’t play their starters. In baseball, you’d have to play callups for 31 games to have the same affect. And thats assuming these callups would be playing against teams that would directly affect the postseason seeding. If you’re playing callups with 30 games to go on a regular basis, you’re either too far out of it (would have lost the games anyway) or so far in front that nobody within your division stands a chance at the Wild Card. And because you only play intra-division in late August through the end of the season, it wouldn’t have any affect at all on the outcome of the season.[/quote]

I didn’t read your post before posting something similar. Sorry.

Another side point- when MLB teams rest players for 1-2 games, and play an entire team of second stringers, there IS often controversy. If the second stringers are playing a team in contention for their division or the wild card, I have many times heard another teams fans complain. It happens nearly every year in at least one close race scenario.

I remember the White Sox in 2005 resting their starters against Cleveland. They played an entire team of their worst players. Whoever Cleveland was in the wild card hunt with (Boston?)… their fans were very, very angry that the White Sox were giving away these games.

However, the controversy subsided when the scrub White Sox actually beat Cleveland!

[quote comment=\”370687\”][quote comment=\”370682\”]Further evidence:

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I don\’t see any distinctive ankle bones there. ;o)[/quote]

As if we weren\’t off topic already, I just found a picture that depresses me more than if I really did have kankles…a skinny MPowers1634:

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[quote comment=”370684″]osi wears ’em right

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If you’re Pete Maravich.

I got here from the Twitter link… sort of. Looks like today’s tweet actually links to the post from 4/7/07.
BTW, anybody else following UW on Twitter? I love the ease of just clicking the “new post” link!

[quote comment=”370694″][quote comment=”370684″]osi wears ’em right

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If you’re Pete Maravich.[/quote]

I tell you what…I played like the Pistol last night. Dropped 28 last night with two threes in the last minute to win!!!

[quote comment=”370622″][quote comment=”370619″]How come no one gets all up and indignant when MLB teans give September call ups playing time or starting pitching gigs?[/quote]

Because nobody bets on baseball. That’s what this is all about.[/quote]
well….. nobody but charlie hustle, no? y

[quote comment=”370693″][quote comment=”370670″][quote comment=”370661″]I disagree that this sort of talk doesn’t happen in baseball.

I haven’t heard a lot about it lately but I heard about it a lot in the 1970s-1980s. You’d have managers like Martin and Weaver accusing another team (usually one that’s out of the pennant race rather than one that’s clinched) of starting a weaker lineup to favour one team over another in a pennant race.

They always said that it was one of the unwritten rules of baseball. In a game with pennant implications, you put your best lineup on the field even if you’re out of it and would rather get your September callups some playing time.[/quote]

I second this motion.

Also, in baseball, they play 162 games over approximately 200 days (give or take). During the course of those 162, pretty much every player takes a few days rest here and there. Nobody gets all freaked out when Superstar Joe Blow takes a day off in June.

Could you imagine if the Colts had rested Petyton Manning, et al., in October? “He just needed a breather…”[/quote]

I didn’t say it NEVER came up in baseball. And I think “I haven’t heard a lot about it lately” sort of makes my point…and Paul’s.

But I can’t and won’t argue the importance of games that influence playoffs. That’s serious business.

What I was addressing was fans who complain that they should get ticket refunds or something (especially because 10 years from now they’ll be saying, ‘”Hey, I was AT that game…when Caldwell pulled Manning!”).

A little like “They’ll remember your 12 forever!” (TIN CUP).

As far as seeing a full-fledged NFL game, you think the Giants gave it their best effort against the Vikings Sunday? That game still had potential influence on the post-season, too. The “bye” was still in play.

Side note: Here’s one of those totally meaningless stats but still something to chew on if we want to. Using a combined margin-of-victory, margin-of-defeat total (37 up, 37 down) we could calculate that the Jets were 74 points better than the Giants Sunday.

And, of course, the appropriate response would be, “So what.”

LOL

—Ricko[/quote]

Oh, anyone complaining about getting their ticket fees back is just plain silly.

You know what you’re getting yourself into with a late-season game. Your team could be out of it, it could be a historic game remembered forever, starters could sit, the other team’s starters could sit.

Don’t know if his family owned the company, its in MN. It was shut down and has now been purchased in large part by Dustin Byfuglien of the Blackhawks who is from MN. I still use a Christian GX3, replacing my DX3. The newer ones has got to be 14 years old. Wish I could still find the blades, I loved them.[/quote]

Maybe this guy can help you out:

[quote comment=”370600″]I hated Christian hockey sticks. With a passion. They held more water in the blade than I thought was physically possible. I used them for about 3 months and will never do so again.[/quote]

[quote comment=”370656″][quote comment=”370585″]THe reds cap reminded me of the 1986 Pirates baseball cards, which I assume were taken in Spring Training 1985. The ols Pillbox caps were also all mesh.
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Jim Leyland’s Pirates mesh cap is clutch!

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He looks like the cat in the hat in this picture.

[quote comment=”370658″][quote comment=”370647″][quote comment=”370619″]How come no one gets all up and indignant when MLB teans give September call ups playing time or starting pitching gigs?

—Ricko[/quote]
162 games vs 16 games.

Plus, baseball only has Division Winners and a Wild Card per League to contend with, and you’re really only playing divisional games at the end of the season. And the Wild Card is usually decided by then. So playing callups late in the season has a marginal at best affect on the postseason.

Lets put it this way. The Colts rested their starters the last 3 games of the season. Thats roughly 20% of the season they didn’t play their starters. In baseball, you’d have to play callups for 31 games to have the same affect. And thats assuming these callups would be playing against teams that would directly affect the postseason seeding. If you’re playing callups with 30 games to go on a regular basis, you’re either too far out of it (would have lost the games anyway) or so far in front that nobody within your division stands a chance at the Wild Card. And because you only play intra-division in late August through the end of the season, it wouldn’t have any affect at all on the outcome of the season.[/quote]

Colts actually played all out to go to 14-0 against Jacksonville.

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Then they pulled their starters after 1 half against NYJ. So in reality it was 1.5 games which is 9.375% which translated to baseball games would be 15 games. And of course we all know that pitchers pitch 9 innings every game.[/quote]

They try to when they have a perfect game or no-hitter going. I didn’t see Mark Buerhle tell Guillen, “I’m good for today,” after 8 innings in the perfecto this season.

And teams do take grief for tanking with scrubs in baseball. Even back in 1991, the Astros were in full-fledged white flag mode the final weeks of the season, playing all back-ups and call-ups. They went to Atlanta on the final weekend. LA was REALLY angry when the Braves got 3 shots at the Astros’ scrubs while they had to face the Giants, who love nothing more than to stick it to LA when they can. You all know how that ended.

I always loved the Hawkeyes uniforms.
That Coach Fry brought in. When my one cousin was recruited to play there Bob Commings was still the coach.
except when a few years they were um well….not great and I think they had a Reebok contract and two sets of unis were very high school. But Coach Fry got them back into their \”Steeler\” style uniform. When my cousins played there-the simplicity of it. I thought the numbers on the back worked really large like that-gives the helmet a unique look with the Tiger Hawk logo.
Going to games there was great-black and gold-everywhere!
-Stoops

Dammit! WAJR is *here*. As in the studios are only a mile or so away. :(

So what did I miss?

Can someone find a picture of this?

“RT @dcsportsbog Giants 2B Manny Burriss is here, in a customized Caps “Burriss” jersey.”

[quote comment=”370709″][quote comment=”370612″]The black Mets shirts in the wedding pic are great in all…yada yada…but how about that brides rack!?[/quote]
Isn’t plastic surgery amazing?[/quote]
Awww Geeez! Lulz noobs.

re SF:
i am sure someone like ricko answered this early in the day, but i believe the SF being used by the topps giants is a seals treatment accurate to what they were wearing when the giants moved to the left coast. i looked for photos, but found nothing interesting

[quote comment=”370718″]re SF:
i am sure someone like ricko answered this early in the day, but i believe the SF being used by the topps giants is a seals treatment accurate to what they were wearing when the giants moved to the left coast. i looked for photos, but found nothing interesting[/quote]

Kinda like this link.

I have also seen a cap with a red S and white F, although have found not photographic evidence from the time, due to black and white film and such.

[quote comment=”370719″][quote comment=”370711″]In a completely unrelated note, I need some tackle twill fabric. I’m trying to re-create the snake numbers that used to be on the columbus cottonmouths hockey sweaters. The team doesn’t use the snake numbers anymore, and I got a quote of $125 from some nice folks who were willing to make the numbers for me. That’s a bit much for my taste, so I want to DIY it. If anyone can point me to a place where I can purchase a yard or two of gold and white tackle twill fabric, it’s much appreciated. I found pleant of sites that sell the numbers, but have come up empty in trying to locate the fabric. I’m willing to document this DIY project for the site.

Thanks very much.

Bob Sullivan
Elverson, PA[/quote]

gmail me:

ryco40[/quote]

isn’t tackle twill a bear to cut?

[quote comment=”370597″]

Re the Giants cap logo, that’s a very slightly modified version of the final San Francisco Seals (PCL) link.[/quote]

Good catch with the SF Seals cap. I was certain I had seen that logo before somewhere.

isn’t tackle twill a bear to cut?

He actually plays guard, and a lot of those holding penalties were border-line.

[quote comment=”370726″]isn’t tackle twill a bear to cut?

He actually plays guard, and a lot of those holding penalties were border-line.[/quote]
You said it. Tackle link is the Bear to cut.

[quote comment=”370672″]I was looking for a reference of the Billy Martin-coached Oakland A’s wearing white undershirts and ran across this: link
In it:
– Martin, managing the Yankees, was complaining about the White Sox pitcher wearing a white undershirt and had it removed.
– Joe Adcock complaining – also in ’67 – about the A’s white shoes.
– Efforts to have pitchers’ jewelry removed because of perceived distraction.
If I remember correctly, about those Oakland A’s white undershirts, not only were they white, but cut also so they were a flappin in the wind. Billy knew the rule book and could play both sides against the other[/quote]

Look in the April 1981 Sports Illustrated with the five A’s aces on the cover. Inside is a story about the A’s and there are pictures of them in their white undershirts, which looked like long johns.

[quote comment=”370720″][quote comment=”370718″]re SF:
i am sure someone like ricko answered this early in the day, but i believe the SF being used by the topps giants is a seals treatment accurate to what they were wearing when the giants moved to the left coast. i looked for photos, but found nothing interesting[/quote]

Kinda like this link.

I have also seen a cap with a red S and white F, although have found not photographic evidence from the time, due to black and white film and such.[/quote]

Yup, that last couple years of their existence, the Seals were a AAA affiliate of the Red Sox, and their unis were a version of the parent club. Same colors, same stirrups, same fonts home and road, and the hat logo became the two-color version you described.

That’s why, after a decade or so of being associated with the Giants, the Minneapolis Millers became a Red Sox farm team from ’58 through ’60. Because the Giants had “usurped” the Red Sox minor league AAA market in SF, they “surrendered” Minneapolis to the Red Sox, and moved their AAA operation to the PCL, which included Phoenix (PCL having had it’s LA and SF franchises lost to MLB moving west). The Hollywood Stars earlier had moved to Hawaii.

Not a good look at the hat, but here’s the uni…
link

Go to ebay, search “pcl popcorn” and you’ll usually find all KINDS of b&w image of PCL unis, circa ’57-’58.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”370715″][quote comment=”370707″]RDS chimes in with their 10 ugliest hockey uniforms. A surprising #1 – not the Wild Wing, not the Burger King.

link
Hmm… RDS is Montreal-based, no? Are they sticking it to the Habs’ arch-rivals with that #1 pick?

OK, so Wild Wing & Burger King didn’t make the top two, but how great is it that we get to see TWO clips of them facing each other in that video?[/quote]
I’m a Bruins fan, and I agree with them. Those were hideous, ludicrous, and outrageous. Watching games with them in those, was like watching a game now when Rene Rancourt doesn’t sing the national anthem, it just not the same.

[quote comment=”370691″][quote comment=”370682″]Further evidence:

link

Y Cum No HARES? Do U SHavE Lulz. BASeBaal Fun-O[/quote]

Homestarr?

[quote comment=”370697″]Check out this picture of McGwire:
link
Wow, those Expos sure look powder blue, though they are gray.
–Not Ricko[/quote]
I might get some heat from this statement, but if today’s players insist on wearing their pants down to their shoes instead of the proper length, I wouldn’t mind too much to see them worn like Big Mac in that pic, as opposed to how some of the current guys wear them. (I’m looking at you, link…)

link

Iowa won that game 12-10. The Hawkeye helmet was decent looking. I liked the Iowa helmet with flying Hawkeye the most.

re: SF Seals.

Should make this clear: Red Sox affiliate Seals altered the caps very little. Button and eyelets were no longer white, and the “F” in the logo became red. Changes to hat logo itself were very slight. Edges rounded off a bit, as I recall, “S” was less “pointy”.

Still, the issue is, those those logos were the inspiration for the “created” Giants images for the’58 Topps cards printed prior to the ’58 season.

(Last time I saw one of those hats—the Red Sox version– was in a souvenir shop along Fisherman’s Wharf in ’04. Didn’t buy it. Was back there in ’05, couldn’t find it again.)

—Ricko

[quote comment=”370588″]The interesting thing about that Dodgers picture, besides the uniforms is – Where was it taken? It’s not the coliseum, so was it Wrigley LA (they briefly thought about using it)? Vero Beach (makes sense for February)?[/quote]
Whoops, I missed your post. Agree completely. I guessed Wrigley LA as well, but only guessed. Never been to Vero

[quote comment=”370733″][quote comment=”370730″][quote comment=”370672″]I was looking for a reference of the Billy Martin-coached Oakland A’s wearing white undershirts and ran across this: link
In it:
– Martin, managing the Yankees, was complaining about the White Sox pitcher wearing a white undershirt and had it removed.
– Joe Adcock complaining – also in ’67 – about the A’s white shoes.
– Efforts to have pitchers’ jewelry removed because of perceived distraction.
If I remember correctly, about those Oakland A’s white undershirts, not only were they white, but cut also so they were a flappin in the wind. Billy knew the rule book and could play both sides against the other[/quote]

Look in the April 1981 Sports Illustrated with the five A’s aces on the cover. Inside is a story about the A’s and there are pictures of them in their white undershirts, which looked like long johns.[/quote]

There you go.

link

awesome…5 aces…5 HOFers

here’s those all white sleeved/white uni a’s

anyone know brian kingman’s claim to fame?

/damn mike maroth

The gambling/fantasy angle for football doesn’t play with me. Handicappers and fantasy players need to factor that in. It’s another variable.

[quote comment=”370747″]Just to let the uniwatchers know…for the 2010 season we will continue to use the Reebok seamless jersey…fire away at me…[/quote]

Blah…However…I was wondering:

A. When will the tours of your equipment room commence?

B. Do you need any help inventorying gear or moving stuff aross the way?

The Hawk is in the Hall! Finally… and check out the powder blues:

link

[quote comment=”370752″]The Hawk is in the Hall! Finally… and check out the powder blues:

link

When I was a student working in the equipment room at Saginaw Valley the baseball team had uniforms just like that but the powder blue was gray. I made the spring trip with them to get the red clay out of them.

re: Welker

I work at an orthopedic hospital in NYC and work specifically in sports medicine. I can’t speak for all institutions outside of mine, but there has been an increase in the number of studies looking at the effect of shoes on knee injuries in football players. Not only are they looking at how shoes are gripping onto the surface of the playing field, but, at least here, we’ve been looking at the interaction of shoe/surface interface (i.e. molded cleats on grass vs. detachable cleats on field turf, etc.). We’ve gotten some preliminary results that have been presented at some academic conferences that found there was an association but we’ll need a lot more patients before we can say anything definitive enough to make it to the general public.

Not sure how the clinicians were recording the information of the D-III player who blew out his knee, but I’m assuming they’re not blaming Nike for this problem. I assume that they are also doing similar research that we’re doing here.

I know it’s probably too boring to read through, but I’d be willing to forward anyone any information regarding the studies if they were interested.

[quote comment=”370752″]The Hawk is in the Hall! Finally… and check out the powder blues:

link

*wipes brow*

for a minute, i thought you were talking about this guy

[quote comment=”370747″]Just to let the uniwatchers know…for the 2010 season we will continue to use the Reebok seamless jersey…fire away at me…[/quote]

Relax Joe….

At this point, the crappy shirts are reason #15 to be upset at the organization!!!! rest easy – you’re off the hook.

[quote comment=”370761″][quote comment=”370759″][quote comment=”370758″][quote comment=”370752″]The Hawk is in the Hall! Finally… and check out the powder blues:

link

*wipes brow*

for a minute, i thought you were talking about link[/quote]

or this guy:

link
do over:[/quote]

frig:

link

[quote comment=”370758″][quote comment=”370752″]The Hawk is in the Hall! Finally… and check out the powder blues:

link

*wipes brow*

for a minute, i thought you were talking about link[/quote]

put it on the boooaaaaarrrrd….but not in the HOF, for the love of god.

re: the cameraman in the MLB shirt,

I interact with ESPN and Big Ten Network guys quite a bit when I work at IU games. BTN hires local freelancers, so their guys tend to have Pacers, Colts, or Indy Racing League gear somewhere on them. More often than not, ESPN’s camera-people will wear the “ESPN College Football” logo regardless of what sport they are taping that day.

[quote comment=”370765″][quote comment=”370666″]When is MLB Properties going to make a white Senators cap available? That would be great to have — just like the white A’s coaches hats from the 70s.![/quote]

Problem: none of the logos used by MLB Properties for Senators caps even remotely resembles the actual Senators cap logo. First, MLB Properties needs to create an accurate curly W logo. Then we can worry about what color cap they put it on.

In the meantime, what we need is a regular Nats cap, with white fabric and the appropriate blue/red combo for the W and the outline.[/quote]
All that needs to happen is utilize the Nats W. That is an exact representation of the Senators W.

[quote comment=”370763″][quote comment=”370740″]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2730/4251082760_672668c173_o.png

Iowa won that game 12-10. The Hawkeye helmet was decent looking. I liked the Iowa helmet with flying Hawkeye the most.[/quote]

This is my fave Iowa helmet: link

In general, I hate the fact that Iowa’s uniform is identical to the Steelers uni, or, vice versa. I mean, I like the uniform overall, however, it be nice to see Iowa get away from it a bit.[/quote]

Have they worn that uni continuously since Hayde came in the late 1970s/early 1980s (throwbacks excepted)? It is a great uni. The helemt is different than the Steelers’, and if they went back to low-cut white collegiate socks that would be another distinguishing mark. I vaguely remember some great throwbacks back in 2002 or so.

[quote comment=”370770″][quote comment=”370763″][quote comment=”370740″]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2730/4251082760_672668c173_o.png

Iowa won that game 12-10. The Hawkeye helmet was decent looking. I liked the Iowa helmet with flying Hawkeye the most.[/quote]

This is my fave Iowa helmet: link

In general, I hate the fact that Iowa’s uniform is identical to the Steelers uni, or, vice versa. I mean, I like the uniform overall, however, it be nice to see Iowa get away from it a bit.[/quote]

Have they worn that uni continuously since Hayde came in the late 1970s/early 1980s (throwbacks excepted)? [/quote]

Yep! Thus, switch it up a bit…..I don’t know, maybe invert the colors, or, do some special striping; i.e. break up that bold side pant stripe? Simply vary it up a bit, all the while staying classy with the general uniform look.

[quote comment=”370652″]hahahaha i was typing earlier and the page messed up on me. musta posted.

Still have no idea why anyone would suggest splitting the pac10 into divisions[/quote]

because splitting it into two divisions would allow for a conference championship game

[quote comment=”370774″][quote comment=”370652″]hahahaha i was typing earlier and the page messed up on me. musta posted.

Still have no idea why anyone would suggest splitting the pac10 into divisions[/quote]

because splitting it into two divisions would allow for a conference championship game[/quote]

They need to have 12 team before the NCAA will sanction the championship game.

[quote comment=”370757″][quote comment=”370754″][quote comment=”370752″]The Hawk is in the Hall! Finally… and check out the powder blues:

link

When I was a student working in the equipment room at Saginaw Valley the baseball team had uniforms just like that but the powder blue was gray. I made the spring trip with them to get the red clay out of them.[/quote]
So, the obvious question: which link should he link for his plaque? Discuss.[/quote]
Come on! Please, oh, please, let it be this one:

link

[quote comment=”370733″][quote comment=”370730″][quote comment=”370672″]I was looking for a reference of the Billy Martin-coached Oakland A’s wearing white undershirts and ran across this: link
In it:
– Martin, managing the Yankees, was complaining about the White Sox pitcher wearing a white undershirt and had it removed.
– Joe Adcock complaining – also in ’67 – about the A’s white shoes.
– Efforts to have pitchers’ jewelry removed because of perceived distraction.
If I remember correctly, about those Oakland A’s white undershirts, not only were they white, but cut also so they were a flappin in the wind. Billy knew the rule book and could play both sides against the other[/quote]

Look in the April 1981 Sports Illustrated with the five A’s aces on the cover. Inside is a story about the A’s and there are pictures of them in their white undershirts, which looked like long johns.[/quote]

There you go.

link
That’s it. And a close-up link

[quote comment=”370776″][quote comment=”370774″][quote comment=”370652″]hahahaha i was typing earlier and the page messed up on me. musta posted.

Still have no idea why anyone would suggest splitting the pac10 into divisions[/quote]

because splitting it into two divisions would allow for a conference championship game[/quote]

They need to have 12 team before the NCAA will sanction the championship game.[/quote]

When the NCAA goes to a football playoff, which will get eliminated, the conference championship games or the 12th regular season game?

[quote comment=”370782″][quote comment=”370776″][quote comment=”370774″][quote comment=”370652″]hahahaha i was typing earlier and the page messed up on me. musta posted.

Still have no idea why anyone would suggest splitting the pac10 into divisions[/quote]

because splitting it into two divisions would allow for a conference championship game[/quote]

They need to have 12 team before the NCAA will sanction the championship game.[/quote]

When the NCAA goes to a football playoff, which will get eliminated, the conference championship games or the 12th regular season game?[/quote]

My guess would be the 12th regular season game because the conference championship game is a cash cow for the conference. I wouldn’t hold your breath for the FBS playoff anytime soon. There is a contract for the BCS through 2013 if I remember right.

There’s already a de facto playoff system in college football.
It lasts all season and works like this:
Don’t lose. Ever.
If you do, you’re out of it…other than for your fans to whine for some kind of “loser’s bracket” so you can get back into the hunt for the national title.

Because probably someone out there HASN’T lost. And, by the first definition of such things (winning), they’re better than you are.

Has no one noticed that?

(I still favor a Final Four, though. That does makes some sense. Beyond that is nonsense.)

—Ricko

[quote comment=”370786″]There’s already a de facto playoff system in college football.
It lasts all season and works like this:
Don’t lose. Ever.
If you do, you’re out of it…other than for your fans to whine for some kind of “loser’s bracket” so you can get back into the hunt for the national title.

Because probably someone out there HASN’T lost. And, by the first definition of such things (winning), they’re better than you are.

Has no one noticed that?

(I still favor a Final Four, though. That does makes some sense. Beyond that is nonsense.)

—Ricko[/quote]

Though LSU won the national title with 2 losses in 2007 (both in triple-OT, including the last regular season game).

Ricko’s idea is also flawed because it doesn’t require all teams to wear alternate uniforms for each quarter of every game, perhaps in color on color.

[quote comment=”370787″][quote comment=”370643″]Note to the Citrus Bowl: Players blow out their knees with or without mud. [B]Ditch the plans for field turf.[/B][/quote]
I disagree. That field was disgraceful.[/quote]

Yes, it was bad. Which means: Take care of your field. Would you put in artificial turf in your front yard to keep from having to take care of it? (Some of you shouldn’t answer that!)

[quote comment=”370791″]Geeman said…

“Though LSU won the national title with 2 losses in 2007 (both in triple-OT, including the last regular season game).”

That’s why I said a Final Four makes sense. Because, who’s kidding who, most of us know the #1 team probably is in the Top Four somewhere. It ain’t down there lying in the weeds at #8. Or #12.

—Ricko[/quote]

In most years you are right. It’d be hard to justify leaving No. 6 Boise State out of a final four this year, though. Maybe the way to do it is not rely on rankings or polls, but have a selection committee pick the teams like they do in basketball. I would hate to see the tradition of Jan. 1 bowls go away, but the schools are already doing that to themselves by stretching out the season to please TV programmers.

[quote comment=”370792″][quote comment=”370791″]Geeman said…

“Though LSU won the national title with 2 losses in 2007 (both in triple-OT, including the last regular season game).”

That’s why I said a Final Four makes sense. Because, who’s kidding who, most of us know the #1 team probably is in the Top Four somewhere. It ain’t down there lying in the weeds at #8. Or #12.

—Ricko[/quote]

In most years you are right. It’d be hard to justify leaving No. 6 Boise State out of a final four this year, though. Maybe the way to do it is not rely on rankings or polls, but have a selection committee pick the teams like they do in basketball. I would hate to see the tradition of Jan. 1 bowls go away, but the schools are already doing that to themselves by stretching out the season to please TV programmers.[/quote]

Number Six getting left out of a Final Four setup? Where’s their complaint; they WERE #6, lol. Although someone who gets left out always will complain…or sue (frankly, I think that’s one of the NCAA’s major concerns; they can fend off a lot of lawsuits by limitng it to #1 vs. #2).

So the new goal would be…be good enough to be unquestionably ranked in that Final Four.

And you’re right about the bowls as they are now.
Like tonight’s Whatever-It-Is-Afterthought Bowl.

Interesting and valid observation from a co-worker today: What did we learn from Boise State playing TCU? Nothing.
Did we learn something from Cincinnati playing Flordia? You bet. Or from Hawaii and Colt Brennan playing a BCS game a few years back? Absolutely.

Now, had Boise State played Iowa and TCU played Georgia Tech (or vice versa), both those games would have seriously been worth watching. We’d have leaarned something the relative abilities of BSU and TCU, that’s for sure.

—Ricko

ended up watching a d league nba game caught the last 5 minutes today not bad game was in the 100’s. made me wonder what if the nfl had a d league(and dont say college fb is) 40 man roster thats only 2 buses for traveling, just a thought?

[quote comment=”370612″]The black Mets shirts in the wedding pic are great in all…yada yada…but how about that brides rack!? Nice uni on her![/quote]
Tee hee hee.

[quote comment=”370800″]One of my problems with the current system is that bowl games take place anywhere from 4-6 weeks after teams have played their last games. IMO, this layoff makes a lot of teams stale and they perform much like the first week of the season (when many of them schedule cupcakes as if it were an exhibition game). I know money drives it all, but if the smaller college divisions can make a playoff system work, it seems D1 could too, somehow. I think it would give a more accurate representation of the relative talent of the schools. Maybe some of these games could be on network television as well, making them more accessible to a larger audience-too many of them are on ESPN now, which not every body can watch.[/quote]

I honestly believe that if you polled the head coaches and AD’s of the Top 16 right now and asked if they’d like a system that meant 15 of them were guaranteed to lose their last game of the season on national TV…they’d think more than twice.

A whole year of listening to alumni talk about that loss? Explaining it to recruits? Hmmm….

…maybe better if eight of us are guaranteed a final game “W” on national TV.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”370802″]First thing to fix the current system is to remove preseason rankings. Start ranking the teams after week 3 or 4.[/quote]

Man, is that a valid observation! Knock out all those preconceived–and possibly invalid—conceptions of who’s any good and who’s not.

Let ESPN and TSN do their “power rankings”, but nothing official.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”370801″]if you polled the head coaches and AD’s of the Top 16 right now and asked if they’d like a system that meant 15 of them were guaranteed to lose their last game of the season on national TV…they’d think more than twice.

[/quote]

and that would be different from every other college sport how?

there’s a certain prestige (more than a certain) attached to schools reaching the “frozen four,” the “final four” and whateverthehell baseball plays…and yet, somehow, those schools attract recruits

face it, rick…the current system SUCKS ASS, and maybe a tourney featuring 8 or 16 teams isn’t the way to solve things, but keeping the status quo is awful

but you’re right about one thing…the state of inertia has existed in college football for so long that we’ll see a four team playoff before we ever see more than that…

so maybe we wait till ESPN’s bowl contract runs out and then we finally expand it to four teams…and 20 years after that when we’re all dead, MAYBE THEN…they’ll have a real playoff system

/not saying you’re wrong and i’m right…but what they have now is NOT right

[quote comment=”370770″][quote comment=”370763″][quote comment=”370740″]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2730/4251082760_672668c173_o.png

Iowa won that game 12-10. The Hawkeye helmet was decent looking. I liked the Iowa helmet with flying Hawkeye the most.[/quote]

This is my fave Iowa helmet: link

In general, I hate the fact that Iowa’s uniform is identical to the Steelers uni, or, vice versa. I mean, I like the uniform overall, however, it be nice to see Iowa get away from it a bit.[/quote]

Have they worn that uni continuously since Hayde came in the late 1970s/early 1980s (throwbacks excepted)? It is a great uni. The helemt is different than the Steelers’, and if they went back to low-cut white collegiate socks that would be another distinguishing mark. I vaguely remember some great throwbacks back in 2002 or so.[/quote]

As an Iowa alum, I don’t think any change is needed… The Hawks did have some great throwback uniforms in 2004 for the 75th anniversary of Kinnick Stadium…they looked like this link

[quote comment=”370808″]
The script Iowa helmet does look good in a good quality color picture. I also think a break from the Steeler style uniforms would be a good idea. I do not see it happening soon though.[/quote]

they could always go back to this

and why is it tOSU’s two biggest fans (larry and roberto) don’t want a conference championship?

seems everyone else is on board with that…is it that you just don’t want dome in the big 11?

[quote comment=”370809″][quote comment=”370808″]
The script Iowa helmet does look good in a good quality color picture. I also think a break from the Steeler style uniforms would be a good idea. I do not see it happening soon though.[/quote]

they could always go back to link

and why is it tOSU’s two biggest fans (larry and roberto) don’t want a conference championship?

seems everyone else is on board with that…is it that you just don’t want dome in the big 11?[/quote]

Phil knows I want an on the field playoff just like every division in football has. I have always wanted a playoff. And that for me means a long time.

I just do not think the conference championship games are for determining an actual conference champion. They are for one thing only and that is to make money for the conferences. As of now 5 conferences have one and 6 do not. Today I had been reading college message boards and there has been a few posts about Texas in the Big Ten. Just talk of course.

When a 5-3 and 8-6 team like Buffalo gets the chance to upset an 8-0 and unbeaten Ball State in one game and claim it is the conference champion than something is very wring with that picture. Most years the Big 12 is so lopsided in one division and yet mediocre teams get the chance to play for conference championship while teams like Texas and Texas Tech last year can not.

I do not like them because if another team is added to the Big Ten that means there will be another team or so that will be missing from regular season conference schedules.

For example I love playing Penn State every single year. I do not want to add a team just to add a team and then miss out on playing PSU every year. As of now 2 teams rotate off the schedule every 2 years. Add another team and it will be worse.

Notre Dame no longer makes sense for the Big Ten. They are struggling to recruit and compete just like the majority of the Upper Midwest/Great Lakes region. While Notre Dame brings a solid fan and alumni base, they also bring a hatred base that would seep into the Big Ten because the Big Ten has had the sense of entitlement and ND would inflate that. It doesn’t necessarily make sense from a marketing perspective either as ND doesn’t bring a true DMA into the picture. Their fans are spread too far out to really help the Big Ten. IF the Big Ten expands it will be to expand their regional influence. It will be a team outside the current borders that brings with it a large DMA in the vicinity (think Rutgers, Pitt, BC, UConn or to a lesser extent Syracuse or Missouri). This will help the Big Ten focus their expansion from a marketing standpoint, improve recruiting in a non-traditional area, and help distance themselves from the stigma of the sense of entitlement from having storied programs.

Philly Flyers wearing the white WC throwbacks tonight in Toronto. They haven’t even bothered to remove the WC patches!

[quote comment=”370816″]If Troy and Central Michigan not your thing, and considering pitchers and catcher report in another few weeks, I should point out that BULL DURHAM is just beginning on WGN.

(opening credits finishing as I type)

—Ricko[/quote]

“Fire up Chips!” (I work in Mount Pleasant 2-3 days a week…even count CMU’s catering service as one of my clients.)

[quote comment=”370817″][quote comment=”370816″]If Troy and Central Michigan not your thing, and considering pitchers and catcher report in another few weeks, I should point out that BULL DURHAM is just beginning on WGN.

(opening credits finishing as I type)

—Ricko[/quote]

“Fire up Chips!” (I work in Mount Pleasant 2-3 days a week…even count CMU’s catering service as one of my clients.)[/quote]

And used to do the advertising for Soaring Eagle. Spent lots of time there. But, still the Chips and Troy may not be TV’s biggest draw tonight.

[quote comment=\”370815\”]Philly Flyers wearing the white WC throwbacks tonight in Toronto. They haven\’t even bothered to remove the WC patches![/quote]

Thought on the WC: why, instead of having it in a baseball stadium where the sightlines seem to be pretty awful, can they not have it in a college stadium (where available)? Regular season college ball ends four weeks before the new year, so they could build the big fancy rink that doesn\’t melt. For instance, if the Flyers were to host, they could use Franklin Field; the Wild could host at TCF Bank Stadium; the Wings could even go over to Ann Arbor and play in the Big House (110,000 for a hockey game…shudder). Sure, this wouldnt work in some places, but I think it\’s a better idea than using baseball parks.

[quote comment=”370809″][quote comment=”370808″]
The script Iowa helmet does look good in a good quality color picture. I also think a break from the Steeler style uniforms would be a good idea. I do not see it happening soon though.[/quote]

they could always go back to link

and why is it tOSU’s two biggest fans (larry and roberto) don’t want a conference championship?

seems everyone else is on board with that…is it that you just don’t want dome in the big 11?[/quote]

Always been for on the field playoff just like every other division of football has.

I do not like the so called conference championship games because they are only there to make money for the conferences. Not to determine a conference champion.

When 5-3 teams have the chance to upset 8-0 teams in one game then something is wrong with that picture.

[quote comment=”370812″][quote comment=”370805″][quote comment=”370801″]

And I’ll say one more time. Who really thinks #16 has, or deserves, a shot at the title? C’mon, let’s be real here.

—Ricko[/quote]
amen.

[quote comment=”370603″]Those “Beat Iowa” jerseys used by Iowa State back in 1977 got recycled later in the season. They played North Carolina State in the Peach Bowl and used the same jerseys. They changed the word “Beat” to read “Peach” and the word “Iowa” to read “Bowl.” They lost both games.[/quote]

Missed that post before. Now that is interesting tidbit.

[quote comment=”370822″]Boston College will be wearing commemorative gold sweaters against BU Friday night at Fenway:

link

The green stripe is a nice touch.

I don’t know if they will be wearing gold socks.[/quote]

Meh. These “gold” unis don’t do much for me. The color is too weak and yukky.

How much better the BC Eagles would look if they were to wear true Old Gold, and not tht worthless and weak watered down cat p#ss color of “Vegas Gold”.

[quote comment=”370685″]I’m fairly certain that Iowa and Georgia Tech set a record last night for biggest disparity in back-of-helmet-jersey-number size. Iowa’s hideously oversized numbers are about 4″ x 5″ each and Tech’s looked to be a mere 0.5″ x 1″.[/quote]

HAHA my brother pointed that out to me. Heck I was not even aware Ga Tech had helmet numbers they were so small

cavs in new alts whine and gold with 1980 early 90’s with CAVS on the chest and 80’s 90’s numbers

Personally, I believe Iowa State would be great for the Big 10 if they could pull it off and it would set up a great final weekend with the natural rivals already playing and set up a few others. Think of this

Ohio State vs. Michigan
Michigan State vs. Penn State (Land Grant Trophy)
Indiana vs Pudue
Northwestern vs. Illinois
Minnesota vs. Wisconsin
Iowa vs. Iowa State

[quote comment=”370835″]Personally, I believe Iowa State would be great for the Big 10 if they could pull it off and it would set up a great final weekend with the natural rivals already playing and set up a few others. Think of this

Ohio State vs. Michigan
Michigan State vs. Penn State (Land Grant Trophy)
Indiana vs Pudue
Northwestern vs. Illinois
Minnesota vs. Wisconsin
Iowa vs. Iowa State[/quote]

I have seen this proposed before with the dominoes falling like this: Arkansas grabbed by the Big 12 to replace iowa st and then perhaps louisville grabbed by the sec, etc. etc.

Resulting new name for the big 10: Magnificent 12.

:)

[quote comment=”370837″]Magnificent 12.

:)[/quote]

bankers dozen

….as far as the Iowa uniforms being consistant during Coach Fry’s tenure.
As I stated above there were 2 other uniforms worn
one had tiger hawks on the chest and the word Hawkeyes and another set that has Iowa on the chest and tiger hawk on the sleeves with a different strip pattern. I think like mid 90s???Helmet was the same. They were then of course returned to their glorious “Steeler” look. 3 of my cousins played there so I used to follow the Hawks very closely-luckily they did not play during those hideous eras. When my cousin Bobby was recruited there they had the gold head gear with the script Iowa-Coach Fry was hired the next year.

[quote comment=”370840″]So this year the sixteen would be in no real order

1. Ohio State (Big 10 Champs)
2. Georgia Tech (ACC Champs)
3. Texas (Big 12 Champs
4. Alabama (SEC Champs)
5. Central Michigan (MAC Champs)
6. Boise State (WAC Champs)
7. Texas Christian (MWC Champs)
8. East Carolina (Conference USA Champs)
9. Troy (Sun Belt Champs)
10. Navy (Top Independent)
11. Cincinnati (Big East Champ) (Forgot them on the list)
12. Oregon (Pac10 Champs)
13. Iowa (10th in BCS Rankings)
14. Virginia Tech (11th in BCS Rankings)
15. LSU (12th in BCS rankings)
16. Penn State (13th in BCS rankings)

Note: If you wanted to limited it to two team per conference BYU was 14th in the BCS Rankings.

13.[/quote]

Seriously, this year we should consider Navy and Troy as having teams that belong in a national tournament?

What’s better for a coach? Telling recruits and alumni he was one-and-done again last year (despite, say, losing only two games a year before the playoffs?) or that he taken you to bowl games every year?

“Coach, you keep losin’ that first one, an’ it’s gonna be tough for us to keep you around.”

“We’re only lost two games a year during the season for the last three years.”

“I know, Coach, but the PLAYOFFS are what matter, and we’re losin’ top recruits to teams that at LEAST get to the second weekend.”

So the top eight just keep getting stronger.

Ouch.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”370840″]So this year the sixteen would be in no real order

1. Ohio State (Big 10 Champs)
2. Georgia Tech (ACC Champs)
3. Texas (Big 12 Champs
4. Alabama (SEC Champs)
5. Central Michigan (MAC Champs)
6. Boise State (WAC Champs)
7. Texas Christian (MWC Champs)
8. East Carolina (Conference USA Champs)
9. Troy (Sun Belt Champs)
10. Navy (Top Independent)
11. Cincinnati (Big East Champ) (Forgot them on the list)
12. Oregon (Pac10 Champs)
13. Iowa (10th in BCS Rankings)
14. Virginia Tech (11th in BCS Rankings)
15. LSU (12th in BCS rankings)
16. Penn State (13th in BCS rankings)

Note: If you wanted to limited it to two team per conference BYU was 14th in the BCS Rankings.

13.[/quote]

i disagree with your top 16 (for example, where the hell is florida???)…but i like the concept

i think you need to include any team in the top 8, regardless of their conference standing

the other 8 could be decided by an invitation determined by a the AP poll (or all polls), computers and coaches

Not sure if anyone saw this, but Spanish soccer club Valencia CF has special Cup shirts emphasizing the bat in their shield. Interesting.

link

[quote comment=”370820″]
you make enough overtures to a lady(ND) and are rebuffed, eventually you move on and are happy without them. screw ND, and if i needed more help hating them, three words, south side & chicago.

you want to know why i could care less phil, because it isn’t important. the only people who care that much about the playoffs(national title) are the people unaffiliated and that fact drives me buzzirk, we simply do not need to crown a champion that everyone is happy with. if Tosu beats scum great, wins conference, even better, wins the rose bowl, i have am thrilled, why do i care about a national title, it means nothing with or without playoff.link[/quote]

From a Purdue guy, I second everything the esteemed Comrade Marshall says. I want Purdue to whip IU, and go to the Rose Bowl. I don’t care about the national championship, because in football, it’s always been subjective and relatively meaningless.

Oh, and ND can screw themselves. They’d be a middle-of-the-pack BigTen team, at best.

[quote comment=”370848″]“Coach, you keep losin’ that first one, an’ it’s gonna be tough for us to keep you around.”

Presumably if your program keeps losin the first one, chances are it’s going to lose it’s bowl game, as well. Right now, the consistently mediocre teams go to mediocre bowls and those games could continue to be played, outside the tournament games. I think a recruit would be more impressed with the opportunity to play in 3 or 4 more games over the assurance of only one after the regular season schedule ends.[/quote]

So that recruit would have to be, probably, a Top Ten caliber player, anyway. Not as likely to go to a team that slips into Top 16 on a somewhwhat regular basis.

Lose every bowl game? Probably in that format. Being ranked low in the Top 16 means you’d play someone ranked pretty high in first round.

As it is now, #16 likely plays someone at a comparable level in a bowl game.

So, Coach, wanna finish #14, 15 or 16 and play 3, 2 or 1 in first round every year (feel like a “fodder” team)…or you wanna play against someone ranked, say, #10, tops, in a bowl game?

Just sayin’—as I keep sayin’—it isn’t as uncomplicated as simply saying “Let’s do it.”

—Ricko

“I missed Flordia so the would be in and Penn State would be out.”

This would make the Big Ten posters who want no part of any Nat championship discussion and only wish to win the rose bowl happy, as well.

[quote comment=”370802″]First thing to fix the current system is to remove preseason rankings. Start ranking the teams after week 3 or 4.[/quote]

YES! And that includes college basketball, too. Tired of seeing Duke at #1 all the time just because Dickie V likes them.

This idea, and the one to have The Red Wings play hockey at the Big House, are two of the best ideas I’ve heard in quite some time.

[quote comment=”370830″][quote comment=”370809″][quote comment=”370808″]
The script Iowa helmet does look good in a good quality color picture. I also think a break from the Steeler style uniforms would be a good idea. I do not see it happening soon though.[/quote]

they could always go back to link

and why is it tOSU’s two biggest fans (larry and roberto) don’t want a conference championship?

seems everyone else is on board with that…is it that you just don’t want dome in the big 11?[/quote]

Maybe it is before this year, they always choked in the big game?[/quote]

Ohio State 2002 National Champions. What the heck are you talking about Ohio State had won the 4 previous bowl games before losing 3.

How about Oklahoma? And I said I am against the stupid conference championship games. A National Championship game I have been for ever since the 1970’s.

That was lame man

[quote comment=”370854″][quote comment=”370853″]”I missed Flordia so the would be in and Penn State would be out.”

This would make the Big Ten posters who want no part of any Nat championship discussion and only wish to win the rose bowl happy, as well.[/quote]

exactly…that’s why they don’t want a playoff[/quote]

Can anybody here read? I have been for a National Championship playoff since the 1970’s. It is these so called conference championship games I do not like.

sheesh

[quote comment=”370860″][quote comment=”370859″]
Can anybody here read? I have been for a National Championship playoff since the 1970’s. It is these so called conference championship games I do not like.

sheesh[/quote]

sorry, larry

didn’t mean to group you in with rpm and ricko

/my bad[/quote]
me, either (and yes, i can read)

[quote comment=”370858″][quote comment=”370851″]
So, Coach, wanna finish #14, 15 or 16 and play 3, 2 or 1 in first round every year (feel like a “fodder” team)…or you wanna play against someone ranked, say, #10, tops, in a bowl game?[/quote]

you are, of course, assuming that no 14 15 or 16 could EVER beat a 3, 2 or 1

i don’t think you can, or should, ever make that assumption

how many of us thought boise state would beat oklahoma a few years back? maybe the disparity wasn’t as great as 3 vs 14…but still, this is why we play the games[/quote]
Further, under some seeding systems, the 13-16 teams could actually be strong team with one loss, say Fla this year.

ya do not lump me in with any anti playoff people.

Actually I wanted playoff since late 1960’s. In 1969 Ohio State had a team that the press said the only team that could beat Ohio State was Minnesota. Not the Gophers but the Vikings. Ohio State was unbeaten and defending National Champions from 1968. Yet Bo Schembechlers Michigan team upset them and they had to sit at home. That team had the talent to win a playoff.

And Jim Tressel coached the Youngstown State Penguins to 4 National Championships won on the field in a playoff.

And I hate the lame excuses given by college presidents for looking out for the good of the student athletes. Utter bullcrap.

Shouldn’t this be the “Ally Bank Bowl”? Troy’s unis look pretty nice except for the redundant wordmark on the shoulder. Also, their helmet striping looks to be asymmetrical. Anyone get a close-up of that?

[quote comment=”370867″]Shouldn’t this be the “Ally Bank Bowl”? Troy’s unis look pretty nice except for the redundant wordmark on the shoulder. Also, their helmet striping looks to be asymmetrical. Anyone get a close-up of that?[/quote]

Please don’t get me started on how a company we have given a shitload of money too and are about to give another shitload of money too is sponsoring a bowl.

Plus I have never liked how it is all up to voters or coaches who do not even see many teams play to vote on the rankings and decide who the best team is.

The subjectivity of it is just like synchronized swimming meets or a gymnastic meet.

[quote comment=”370814″]http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/slides/photos/000/118/489/72483480.jpg.13538.0_display_image.jpg

I would take that so called banana peel uniform over current ones. Now I am not saying the current uniforms look bad. The Steelers home uniform is a nice looking uni. I just think it would be good if Iowa had their own identity and not imitate the Steeler’s uniform[/quote]

But that’s just it, Larry. Iowa’s been in those Steeler ‘knockoffs’ for nearly 30+ years. While that’s not close to the century mark, it certainly enough time to ‘create it’s own identity’ as you put it.

Heck, if you go back 30+ years decent programs like UBUffalo or Connecticut didn’t even exist.
(to give you a bit of prospective).

There’s nothing wrong w/ that look. It’s one of the sharpest in the NFL and isn’t that what you’re selling those 18 year olds? innit?

[quote comment=”370870″]RE: Notre Dame to the Big Ten

I’m convinced it’ll never happen. There are many reasons, not the least of which is that the conference wants to expand its media presence into a new market.

But also, one thing the Big Ten likes to tout is that it’s the only conference in which every member institution also belongs to the AAU. Notre Dame does not.

Most of the chatter about potential invitees I’ve heard is focused on Rutgers, Syracuse, Missouri, Iowa State, Nebraska, Kansas and Pitt. I’ve also heard a bit about Virginia, Maryland and even (as Larry mentioned earlier) Texas. I think I recall hearing something about Vanderbilt as well. All of those schools also belong to the AAU.

If they truly want to keep it the only all-AAU conference, there aren’t a whole lot of link that make sense.[/quote]

Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, and Missouri. All have been rumored and make sense.

[quote comment=”370868″]While, I am waiting for more basketball scores to be reported. I have done a little more work. First round using BCS rankings and conference champions and the AP Poll for any conference champions not ranked in the BCS poll

#16 – Navy vs. #1 – Alamaba
#15 – East Carolina vs. #2 Texas
#14 – Troy vs. #3 – Cincinnati
#13 – Central Michigan vs. #4 – Texas Christian
#12 – Brigham Young vs. #5 – Florida
#11 – Virginia Tech vs. #6 – Boise State
#10 – Iowa vs. #7 – Oregon
#9 – Georgia Tech vs. #8 – Ohio State

LSU and Penn State are out because the SEC and Big Ten already have two teams.[/quote]

What about all conference champs and top indy being seeded higher than 2nd place finishers? the bottom 3 would then be:
Fla
Iowa
VA tech

[quote comment=”370849″][quote comment=”370820″]
you make enough overtures to a lady(ND) and are rebuffed, eventually you move on and are happy without them. screw ND, and if i needed more help hating them, three words, south side & chicago.

you want to know why i could care less phil, because it isn’t important. the only people who care that much about the playoffs(national title) are the people unaffiliated and that fact drives me buzzirk, we simply do not need to crown a champion that everyone is happy with. if Tosu beats scum great, wins conference, even better, wins the rose bowl, i have am thrilled, why do i care about a national title, it means nothing with or without playoff.link[/quote]

From a Purdue guy, I second everything the esteemed Comrade Marshall says. I want Purdue to whip IU, and go to the Rose Bowl. I don’t care about the national championship, because in football, it’s always been subjective and relatively meaningless.

Oh, and ND can screw themselves. They’d be a middle-of-the-pack BigTen team, at best.[/quote]

you hera that phil and all you football playoff guys?!!! link

Simpler playoff idea:

First of all, let’s face reality – the MAC and the Sun Belt are 1-AA conferences. Relegate them to where they belong. Probably gotta send Conference USA down, too.

That leaves eight conferences. Army, Navy and ND can join a conference or sit out the playoffs.

Incorporate the four major bowls for the first round. After that you have the Final Four, then the championship game. Yes, the bowls would be played before New Years, but is that any worse than being played after New Years?

You say you’re the 2nd place team in the SEC and you think you’re more worthy than Boise State or TCU? You shoulda won your own conference. Go play in a lesser bowl, but you’re not in the playoffs. Stop scheduling early-season cupcakes and we’ll consider your argument, however.

This is just off the top of my head, so I’m not saying this is THE solution. I like it, though. Same time frame to crown a champion, too. Major bowls get played around Christmas, Final Four on NYD and the JimV Bowl (why not? It’s my idea…) the week after that.

[quote comment=”370860″][quote comment=”370859″]
Can anybody here read? I have been for a National Championship playoff since the 1970’s. It is these so called conference championship games I do not like.

sheesh[/quote]

sorry, larry

didn’t mean to group you in with rpm and ricko

/my bad[/quote]
real men like ricko, and link don’t need anybody standing next to them, their principle is enough to carry the day.

why no playoff larry/phil, because it is 100% unnecessary. why do you feel the need for it? why does it matter to you? why can’t the big ten champ just play the pac ten champ? why is that so bad? you people are sick of teams like Tosu now, just wait until there is a playoff system, it will shut out the mid level teams in each conference even more, the Tosu will be even stronger, just wait. be careful what you wish for.

[quote comment=”370880″][quote comment=”370877″][quote comment=”370868″]While, I am waiting for more basketball scores to be reported. I have done a little more work. First round using BCS rankings and conference champions and the AP Poll for any conference champions not ranked in the BCS poll

#16 – Navy vs. #1 – Alamaba
#15 – East Carolina vs. #2 Texas
#14 – Troy vs. #3 – Cincinnati
#13 – Central Michigan vs. #4 – Texas Christian
#12 – Brigham Young vs. #5 – Florida
#11 – Virginia Tech vs. #6 – Boise State
#10 – Iowa vs. #7 – Oregon
#9 – Georgia Tech vs. #8 – Ohio State

LSU and Penn State are out because the SEC and Big Ten already have two teams.[/quote]

What about all conference champs and top indy being seeded higher than 2nd place finishers? the bottom 3 would then be:
Fla
Iowa
VA tech[/quote]

I have some trouble telling a 12-1 Florida they are seed lower than a 9-4 Navy. Florida’s only loss is to number 1 Alabama they deserve something for that.[/quote]

no they don’t. win your conference. would anybody have argued for the big 10 before the bowls, but what happened after? that’s right psu beat lsu, nw almost beat auburn, iowa dominated, nobody gave the bucks a chance, wisconsin was strong.i am not about to argue that the big ten is better then the sec, but why does perception get to play any part of it? no, win your conference or go home, you don’t get to cry.

and yes jim mothervilker, if ND navy and army don’t join a conference, they can’t dance at the ball.

but more importantly, we. don’t. need. a. playoff. and get rid of the title game too, the burnt orange bite this year, they don’t deserve to play in this game, look how bad the big 12 faired. sure they could win, but that would be a travesty. in the olde days we would have a split champ ala/ut winner and boise/tcu winner. is that really so bad?

[quote comment=”370885″][quote comment=”370880″][quote comment=”370877″][quote comment=”370868″]While, I am waiting for more basketball scores to be reported. I have done a little more work. First round using BCS rankings and conference champions and the AP Poll for any conference champions not ranked in the BCS poll

#16 – Navy vs. #1 – Alamaba
#15 – East Carolina vs. #2 Texas
#14 – Troy vs. #3 – Cincinnati
#13 – Central Michigan vs. #4 – Texas Christian
#12 – Brigham Young vs. #5 – Florida
#11 – Virginia Tech vs. #6 – Boise State
#10 – Iowa vs. #7 – Oregon
#9 – Georgia Tech vs. #8 – Ohio State

LSU and Penn State are out because the SEC and Big Ten already have two teams.[/quote]

What about all conference champs and top indy being seeded higher than 2nd place finishers? the bottom 3 would then be:
Fla
Iowa
VA tech[/quote]

I have some trouble telling a 12-1 Florida they are seed lower than a 9-4 Navy. Florida’s only loss is to number 1 Alabama they deserve something for that.[/quote]

no they don’t. win your conference. would anybody have argued for the big 10 before the bowls, but what happened after? that’s right psu beat lsu, nw almost beat auburn, iowa dominated, nobody gave the bucks a chance, wisconsin was strong.i am not about to argue that the big ten is better then the sec, but why does perception get to play any part of it? no, win your conference or go home, you don’t get to cry.

and yes jim mothervilker, if ND navy and army don’t join a conference, they can’t dance at the ball.

but more importantly, we. don’t. need. a. playoff. and get rid of the title game too, the burnt orange bite this year, they don’t deserve to play in this game, look how bad the big 12 faired. sure they could win, but that would be a travesty. in the olde days we would have a split champ ala/ut winner and boise/tcu winner. is that really so bad?[/quote]

In my opinion, yes it is. I want a definite National Champions decided on the field not on paper setting up two teams that may be the best. What is so wrong about playing it out on the field?

[quote comment=”370883″][quote comment=”370860″][quote comment=”370859″]
Can anybody here read? I have been for a National Championship playoff since the 1970’s. It is these so called conference championship games I do not like.

sheesh[/quote]

sorry, larry

didn’t mean to group you in with rpm and ricko

/my bad[/quote]
real men like ricko, and link don’t need anybody standing next to them, their principle is enough to carry the day.

why no playoff larry/phil, because it is 100% unnecessary. why do you feel the need for it? why does it matter to you? why can’t the big ten champ just play the pac ten champ? why is that so bad? you people are sick of teams like Tosu now, just wait until there is a playoff system, it will shut out the mid level teams in each conference even more, the Tosu will be even stronger, just wait. be careful what you wish for.[/quote]

I hate the sujectivity of it all. I like how every other level of football does it. All except one. I do not like the well I like well it is more fun to argue about who is #1

Heck not just every other level of college football does it but states do it for high school football. I have no idea of the figures but how many states do not have a playoff.

I know not everybody wants a playoff. But my question to the anti playoff guys is how do you know how bad or good it would be if there finally was a playoff in 1A. I love March madness and how basketball gets a National champion via playoffs.

Even if I was not a Buckeye fan I would want a playoff. I thinking voting for the best teams is a dumb as it is in a gymnastics meet. Now it is like Miss America contest.

Like Paterno said the way it is now some teams or pre ordained to have the chance in a BCS title game.

When a playoff is good enough for every other level of college football and state high schools then it is about time to do it the right way in 1A.

[quote comment=”370886″][quote comment=”370882″]The current helmet logo is a good one. The flying Hawkeye that they wore briefly to me was good.

They most likely will not change them but I prefer a non Steelers uniform like the banana peel or whatever. And I forget what made them even give that uniform a try. Anybody have a story behind it?[/quote]

If I didn’t know you were a Browns fan, I’d know it after that statement. Only a true Steeler hater would think the banana peel unis are better. ;)

I wouldn’t mind a different uni for Iowa, but not that one.

Or, they could just make one subtle change, make the numbers yellow the way Div. 2 Millersville does: link (hard to see it there, but they are yellow)[/quote]

I am a Browns fan and a Steeler hater. Comes with the territory. I did not mean to say the banana peel uni was better. I actually said the Steelers have a good looking uniform. I just think Iowa should have a look not patterned off of an NFL team. How many fans look at Iowa and think of the Steelers? Maybe the Steelers should change the unis so they do not look like Iowa?

And as a kid I did like the Steelers since my dad did. Back in the Bobby Layne, Big Daddy Lipscomb. Tom the Bomb Tracy days.

And if JimV is still around here I am at Christmas long ago with my Steelers replica jersey on and Steeler helmet.

I still have that helmet.

link

link

Also in my NFL pjs

[quote comment=\”370892\”][quote comment=\”370890\”]Great point, BuckeyeMark – I\’d like to see an SEC team come up and play in the snow.

Robert, I agree if we don\’t have a playoff, then there\’s nothing wrong with a split champion. There should have been a few more of those in the past. But I\’d still like a playoff that incorporates the major bowls.[/quote]

As a Michigan fan, I agree that is would be nice to see some of those southern or southern california teams play in the crap in late October or November but everyone is in conference at that time.[/quote]

can you imagine turning on your TV the second week of December and seeing USC about to kick off to Penn State in a snowstorm in Happy Valley? or LSU playing Ohio State in a cold sleet/snow in the ‘Shoe? wow. the TV ratings would be off the charts.

football as it is meant to be played – out in the weather by real men. it would be incredible.

[quote comment=”370884″][quote comment=”370854″][quote comment=”370853″]”I missed Flordia so the would be in and Penn State would be out.”

This would make the Big Ten posters who want no part of any Nat championship discussion and only wish to win the rose bowl happy, as well.[/quote]

exactly…that’s why they don’t want a playoff[/quote]

please don’t generalize. not all Buckeye fans are against a national playoff. I for one would love one IF the first round games are played at the home stadium of the higher ranked team.

you want to talk “afraid?” when is the last time a SEC team journeyed north of the Mason Dixon line? I’d love to see Florida in Columbus in December… or Happy Valley or even the Big House. no one ever seems to notice that Big Ten teams have to build a team that can win in October and November in tough weather conditions but the NC game is always in a warm weather site. hmm… wonder who that favors?[/quote]

i agree with your last point about home bowls in the south, and the sec never traveling north, but…

i am well aware that there are more then enough buckeye alumni that would love a playoff. but first of all, i don’t care what buckeye “fans” want, if you went to kent state, do me a favour and root root root for the golden flash, big state U isn’t your U. but yeah, there are more then enough buckeye grads that would love the pissing contest a playoff would bring, maybe you are one of them, i am sure there are plenty. i am sorry to be a dick about this, but i feel very strongly that a playoff is not needed, you want everything perfect wrapped watch the nfl. college football beautifully imperfect, and it should be. college ball is waking up having a beer, walking across the oval, listening to the orton hall bells, selling your ticket to an alumnus, lsitening to the band, passing coeds up the stadium rows, hazing brutus, jumping in mirror lake, blah blah blah. not to mention classes with 1,500 students, breaking into the catacombs, drawing in my favourite tree, dancing in costume for local bands like ishkabibble and everything else that the Tosu experience gave me and i get to remember on a random saturday morning as we play indiana. and part of that experience, is two important games the scUM and the rose bowl, i don’t need more then that. and if anybody does, then you are missing the romance of college football.

[quote comment=”370898″][quote comment=”370893″]And if JimV is still around here I am at Christmas long ago with my Steelers replica jersey on and Steeler helmet.

I still have that helmet.

link

link

Also in my NFL pjs[/quote]

You started out a Steelers fan, I started out…a bit confused: link (actually was a Vikings fan at first)

Then I got my head on straight: link

haha good comeback

Actually when I was a kid my neighbor buddy was one of those bragging type kids who always bragged about the Browns beating the Steelers and since my dad was a Steeler fan he got on me for it. Jimmy Brown and the Browns were good then.

I told Phil and Michael Princip I also like the Cowboys in my teen years and later. Always like the shiny helmet with a star on it. The Bob Hayes and later Roger Staubach years. But I also like the Browns in that period.

I remember a lot about the Steelers in the early 1960’s

[quote comment=”370897″]i don’t need more then that. and if anybody does, then you are missing the romance of college football.[/quote]

This, my friend, is the romance of college football…the intimate romance of college football: link
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Get thyself to a Division II game and see how the game was meant to be played. Hey, we should have a UW gathering at a Slippery Rock game, or maybe Northwood, Bemidji State, East Stroudsburg…

Every other level of football does have on the field National Championship playoffs and they do not have bowls.

1A can have the playoffs and still have bowls. I did not say stop all 35 bowl games that we now have where all it takes is to go 6-6 and you are a bowl team. Just like now Ohio State beat Oregon in the Rose Bowl and a few days later the Rose Bowl hosts the BCS title game that only 2 teams qualify for.

I am not one who takes a lot of time drawing up playoff scenarios. I say just do it. Use the current bowls for playoffs and have any other bowl you want for the 72 teams that do not make the playoffs

Playoffs work in every other level of football. Just give them a chance in 1A. Maybe you would like them.

[quote comment=”370901″]Actually when I was a kid my neighbor buddy was one of those bragging type kids who always bragged about the Browns beating the Steelers and since my dad was a Steeler fan he got on me for it. Jimmy Brown and the Browns were good then.

I told Phil and Michael Princip I also like the Cowboys in my teen years and later. Always like the shiny helmet with a star on it. The Bob Hayes and later Roger Staubach years. But I also like the Browns in that period.

I remember a lot about the Steelers in the early 1960’s[/quote]

The Cowboys? Aw well, at least that’s better than the Raiders…

I liked Bob Hayes, but by the time the Cowboys left the Cotton Bowl I was a big Oilers fan.

Can’t remember the 60s (not because I was on anything, just too young), but I read a lot about Bobby Layne throwing to Buddy Dial. I would have liked to have seen them play, especially in my favorite unis: link

dammit

i leave the boards for an hour and half to work on the weekends’ posts and i miss some of the best arguments we ever had…at least in a non-uni or non-yankee sense

i’ll say this to roberto — if you want to go back to the way it was, i won’t argue with you very strongly — im saying the way it is now SUCKS DICK

either we get ourselves a playoff or we go back to the olden days…but the BS we’re putting up with the past decade is worse than it ever was

oh…and mr. marshall, check your email

[quote comment=”370903″][quote comment=”370897″]i don’t need more then that. and if anybody does, then you are missing the romance of college football.[/quote]

This, my friend, is the romance of college football…the intimate romance of college football: link
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Get thyself to a Division II game and see how the game was meant to be played. Hey, we should have a UW gathering at a Slippery Rock game, or maybe Northwood, Bemidji State, East Stroudsburg…[/quote]

i had actually typed that”jim mothervilker had it right with the dII and dIII stuff….” but deleted it because it caused me to rant about something else.

[quote comment=”370907″]Can’t remember the 60s[/quote]

you, dennis hopper and david crosby

Snow day.
Like a mug!

My shoulders are broader than Chicago’s.
St. Louie is workin.
Just not me.
Uh huh.
Yeah.
MH

[quote comment=”370918″][quote comment=”370914″]im sorry if this has already been addressed, as im just now reading through comments, but what?? Georgia played AT OkState and AT Arizona State each of past two years. not only is that out of the south, but its against decent teams.[/quote]
I take it geography’s not your strong suit.[/quote]

OK, you go to Oklahoma or Arizona and see how many people think they are in the “south”.