Mixed Marriage

I just want to know if that Marlins HR celebration will spit out a Voltar card when it’s done.

Paul,

I have that Baseball Americana book, and forgot to tell you about it. It is FULL of awesome baseball images that probably have not been seen by a majority of baseball fans. I highly suggest this book to be in your personal library if you love baseball and/or you love old sports related anything! Aside the glorious photographs, it does provide baseball history. Like there were not only teams of women that would play simi-professionally, there were soem future Hall of Fame MLBers that got their start dressing in drag and playing on these “all girl” teams! Truely a great book!

I even got it at a SAM’s Club for about half the cover price which made it that much more of a steal!

Re: the BYU-ASU picture: The main thing that jumped out at me is that Danny Ainge has no armpit hair. WTF?

There have been four ships since 1918 commissioned in the US Navy as the USS Cardinal, and another canceled prior to construction at the end of WWII, all were minesweepers or hunters. The last ship USS Cardinal(MHC-60)was decommissioned in 2006, and the vessel was transfered to the Egyptian military in 2007

[quote comment=”367135″]“The most interesting thing about it is an illustration at the end of the calendar showing the renovated version of Olympic Stadium that was never realized,” he says

No, it was a rendering of an all-new ballpark that was to be built near St. Catharine’s Street[/quote]

Yep – it was to be called Labatt Park. There’s still lots of details up on the “future ballparks” section of ballparks.com

Another weird thing about the ASU-BYU pic. It must have been before shoe contracts with schools because one ASU player is wearing Adidas and another is wearing Nike with the big fat swoosh.

Oddly enough, the US Navy has also had four USS Ravens, on and off since 1813, and an additional one canceled prior to construction in 1918 (also a minesweeper). The last USS Raven(MHC-61), a sister ship of the USS Cardinal, was decommissioned and also transfered to the Egyptian Navy in 2007.

[quote]In a move that I hope lands in the “one and done” scrapheap, the Thunder all wore orange Nike sneakers for last night’s game against the Mavs. According to the AP game recap, even the players with Adidas footwear deals went swooshified for this one. …[/quote]

I don’t think this means the players with adidas deals were swooshified, I think it means they chose orange adidas.

“the Thunder all wore orange Nike sneakers”

FWIW, the player w/tape on his nose appears to have white laces as opposed to orange and some sort of tape on his shoe, perhaps obscuring an inferior logo.

[quote comment=”367150″]”the Thunder all wore orange Nike sneakers”

FWIW, the player w/tape on his nose appears to have white laces as opposed to orange and some sort of tape on his shoe, perhaps obscuring an inferior logo.[/quote]

indeed…from the article:

Durant broke out his new KD2 sneakers for the first time, and most of his teammates joined him in wearing the new Nike shoes.

and

Even Ibaka and Etan Thomas, the two Oklahoma City players who wear adidas shoes, picked out orange ones.

i hope those 3 stripe colorways didn’t clash with those of the swoosh…wouldn’t wanna look garish or anything

I’m cool with the Thunder wearing the orange sneakers – at least it gives their uniforms some character. They should keep them as their signature look.

The home version of that BYU jersey showed up in The Salt Lake Tribune today. That’s QB Max Hall in front of a trophy case (Steve Young and Danny Ainge jerseys are over his right shoulder).

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I’m not a Yankee fan, but those images of the Stadium being eviscerated are jsut heartbreaking. As someone who still mourns the loss of Penn Station even though it was gone before I was born, this is a tragedy. Yes, I know why it has to be done and yes, I know the “original” Yankee Stadium essentially went away in the ’70s, but still. Another historic New York building is coming down and they city just doesn’t seem to care.

New numbers for John Lackey (40) with the Red Sox (Victor Martinez has 41) and Roy Halladay (34) with the Phils, taking Cliff Lee’s number (32 retired for Carlton).

Chris Henry has passed away.

Is it me or does that Marlins Homerun art statement look like Terry Gilliam of Monty Python designed it.

Nice Job Scott! Reminds me of my wedding table numbers.

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Mine had to be basic MLB sytle and match our black and white color scheme though. I wanted to do a different style for each number of the most famous player to wear that number.

any word on whether the bengals will be having one of these?

[quote comment=”367152″][quote comment=”367150″]”the Thunder all wore orange Nike sneakers”

FWIW, the player w/tape on his nose appears to have white laces as opposed to orange and some sort of tape on his shoe, perhaps obscuring an inferior logo.[/quote]

indeed…from the article:

Durant broke out his new KD2 sneakers for the first time, and most of his teammates joined him in wearing the new Nike shoes.

and

Even Ibaka and Etan Thomas, the two Oklahoma City players who wear adidas shoes, picked out orange ones.

i hope those 3 stripe colorways didn’t clash with those of the swoosh…wouldn’t wanna look garish or anything[/quote]

To borrow parlance from the 70’s era Buccaneers, these shoes are affectionately known as “the creamsicles”:

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[quote comment=”367171″][quote comment=”367165″][quote comment=”367162″]Chris Henry has passed away.[/quote]

Truly sad.

R.I.P. Chris Henry[/quote]

Injured Reserve?
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He was placed on IR around week 5 or so.

[quote comment=”367174″][quote comment=”367172″][quote comment=”367171″][quote comment=”367165″][quote comment=”367162″]Chris Henry has passed away.[/quote]

Truly sad.

R.I.P. Chris Henry[/quote]

Injured Reserve?
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He was placed on IR around week 5 or so.[/quote]

I didn’t realize that he had broken his arm against the Ravens.

I hadn’t followed him this yearm but it seemed that he was turning himself around.

Nonetheless, anyone’s passing, especially at his age, is a shame.[/quote]
Indeed.

OK, I checked, it was actually week 9 (but coincidentally, the Bengals played the Ravens in week 5 as well).

[quote comment=”367174″][quote comment=”367172″][quote comment=”367171″][quote comment=”367165″][quote comment=”367162″]Chris Henry has passed away.[/quote]

Truly sad.

R.I.P. Chris Henry[/quote]

Injured Reserve?
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He was placed on IR around week 5 or so.[/quote]

I didn’t realize that he had broken his arm against the Ravens.

I hadn’t followed him this yearm but it seemed that he was turning himself around.

Nonetheless, anyone’s passing, especially at his age, is a shame.[/quote]

Indeed, from all of the press he got in the preseason and after, he seemed to really have matured. The irony is that it was his relationship with his fiance and kids that had grounded him and brought him to reality.

Is today the deadline for getting into the NCAA bowl pool?

If so, I guess I shoulda signed up earlier, because I’m getting link when I go to the site that hosts the pool.

[quote comment=”367179″]Is today the deadline for getting into the NCAA bowl pool?

If so, I guess I shoulda signed up earlier, because I’m getting link when I go to the site that hosts the pool.[/quote]

o rly… you went here and got denied?

i didn’t set the thing up, but i was under the impression the picks had to be locked by today…perhaps i was misinformed

damn…a couple hundred people signed up so far

[quote comment=”367138″]Re: the BYU-ASU picture: The main thing that jumped out at me is that Danny Ainge has no armpit hair. WTF?[/quote]

Basketball players sometimes shave the pits. It’s a little unusual, but whatever works for you, I guess.

[quote comment=”367182″]Bizarre backboard support system.

That was a pretty standard backboard support in the 70s and 80s. Most arenas have gone with Hydra-Ribs since they were developed in the 80s.

Since Danny Ainge is with BYU here, that would place the year around 80-81, which makes sense given the supports and the ASU untucked jerseys (a big late-70s trend).

Hence, pre-Hydra-Rib.[/quote]

Was Danny Ainge really playing college basketball at the same time he was playing for the Blue Jays? You can be a pro in one sport while maintaining college eligibility in another?

[quote comment=”367185″][quote comment=”367182″]Bizarre backboard support system.

That was a pretty standard backboard support in the 70s and 80s. Most arenas have gone with Hydra-Ribs since they were developed in the 80s.

Since Danny Ainge is with BYU here, that would place the year around 80-81, which makes sense given the supports and the ASU untucked jerseys (a big late-70s trend).

Hence, pre-Hydra-Rib.[/quote]

Was Danny Ainge really playing college basketball at the same time he was playing for the Blue Jays? You can be a pro in one sport while maintaining college eligibility in another?[/quote]
John Elway played link before his link, so sure, at least in the ’80s.

Know what just struck me?

Taking the specifics of Chris Henry and football out of my post #52, almost the same could be said of Tiger Woods.

And he HAD someone in his life teaching him…his dad.

Has anyone checked to see if there’s any correlation between the beginning of Woods’ philandering and the father’s death?

Or it is simply a condition endemic to all young athletes with huge amounts of money?

The answer, of course, is “Yes.” Tiger just had seemed to be somehow immune to it.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”367189″]Know what just struck me?

Taking the specifics of Chris Henry and football out of my post #52, almost the same could be said of Tiger Woods.

And he HAD someone in his life teaching him…his dad.

Has anyone checked to see if there’s any correlation between the beginning of Woods’ philandering and the father’s death?

Or it is simply a condition endemic to all young athletes with huge amounts of money?

The answer, of course, is “Yes.” Tiger just had seemed to be somehow immune to it.

—Ricko[/quote]

Now obviously history can be changed in hindsight, but at least in this article, Maurice Jones-Drew seems to be one young player who bucks that trend.
link

I watched the Thunder/Mav game (I’m a Mav fan). I kinda liked the orange sneaker look.

[quote comment=”367188″][quote comment=”367167″][quote comment=”367144″]Another weird thing about the ASU-BYU pic. It must have been before shoe contracts with schools because one ASU player is wearing Adidas and another is wearing Nike with the big fat swoosh.[/quote]

This just in…there were a whole helluva lot of team sports played before shoe deals (team or league) came along. For them to be a an “always” requires a very short “always.”

When did they become commonplace, other than in college basketball, that is? Only about 20 years ago, right? Late 80’s at the earliest? The first-year USFL’s deal with Pony was the initial league-wide shoe deal that I recall…and it was a fairly long time before another came along, even for teams other than basketball.

One of the things I like about MLB, there’s no such animal as either team or league shoe deals.

—Ricko[/quote]
Closest thing I can think of is the Yankees. They used to have some sort of weird deal with Adidas, where anybody without a deal with another brand (including trainers and coaches) would wear the three stripes. I liked that setup: it allowed an Adidas sign or two in Yankee Stadium to replace the Majestic tags on the jerseys without making the Yankees look like the Adidas Yankees of New York. (No hint of Adidas anywhere on Mr. Jeter-Jordan.)[/quote]

a sign or two?

dude, there was 3 stripage all over the old place

info on old deal & new deal

i did enjoy the fact that there was no majestic logo on the unis

[quote comment=”367190″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
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Best column ever!

Dammit! I am not quoting myself in that previous post.

[quote comment=”367187″][quote comment=”367185″][quote comment=”367182″]Bizarre backboard support system.

That was a pretty standard backboard support in the 70s and 80s. Most arenas have gone with Hydra-Ribs since they were developed in the 80s.

Since Danny Ainge is with BYU here, that would place the year around 80-81, which makes sense given the supports and the ASU untucked jerseys (a big late-70s trend).

Hence, pre-Hydra-Rib.[/quote]

Was Danny Ainge really playing college basketball at the same time he was playing for the Blue Jays? You can be a pro in one sport while maintaining college eligibility in another?[/quote]
John Elway played link before his link, so sure, at least in the ’80s.[/quote]

Thanks for that. I don’t know a ton about eligibility, but given how many stories I’ve read about athletes losing eligibility for minor infractions I assumed that being a pro athlete (even in another sport) would be absolutely verboten.

Great column on the Steelers. Also, great shots of that year they went with the black nameplate lettering, i hated, hated, HATED that!

I was recently looking for photos, but couldn’t remember the year.

[quote comment=”367202″]
I remember reading somewhere that they wore Steelers unis for games they played at Forbes Field and Cards unis for the Comiskey Park games. Unfortunately, I have no recollection of where I read that and I don’ remember there being any information about what they did for road games.[/quote]

you read it here, most likely…and no one is even sure whose white jerseys they wore…too bad ricko wasn’t making kid-cards then

I needed that Shhhh jersey for the guy that sat behind me last year at the Sharks games. He talked the whole game long.

Hey Josh… Really cool Washington Expose jerseys. The partly-open zipper hemline stripe is very funny. (Liked your Mets and Isles jerseys too. Keep up the good work.)

– Lou

[quote comment=”367168″]any word on whether the bengals will be having link?[/quote]
according to the Bengals (link) it looks like they will have a sticker on the helmet in memoriam

Phil and everyone else responsible, thanks for setting up the bowl pool. This should be a lot of fun.

(219 entrants as of right now, I’m now ranked 127th which is likely as close to the top as I’ll ever get)

[quote comment=”367191″][quote comment=”367189″]Know what just struck me?

Taking the specifics of Chris Henry and football out of my post #52, almost the same could be said of Tiger Woods.

And he HAD someone in his life teaching him…his dad.

Has anyone checked to see if there’s any correlation between the beginning of Woods’ philandering and the father’s death?

Or it is simply a condition endemic to all young athletes with huge amounts of money?

The answer, of course, is “Yes.” Tiger just had seemed to be somehow immune to it.

—Ricko[/quote]

Now obviously history can be changed in hindsight, but at least in this article, Maurice Jones-Drew seems to be one young player who bucks that trend.
link

Nice article.

Rest in peace, Chris Henry, and keep up the good work, Maurice.

Loved seeing those Sears action figures! I had a Steeler one as a kid – started out as Lynn Swann, then I turned him into Louis Lipps.

And that Fleer sticker project is amazing. I have some of those Fleer NFL action cards.
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If anyone else has some of those, let’s talk. I have plenty of regular old cards I’d love to trade for them.

L.C. Greenwood gets a lot of credit for introducing colored shoes. Granted, because of the bright athletic-gold and the fact the Steelers got so much air time, that’s to be expected.

But there were plenty of others who did it first. In the early ’70s Ron Johnson of the Giants wore royal blue pumas (RB Billy Taylor at Michigan, too). So did Giants Pete Athas and Rocky Thompson (or whatever his name was, KR, #22). Vic Washington and Johnny Fuller of 49ers wore red adidas and Riddells, respectively. Vern Studdard of Jets wore kelly pumas. I’ll check on others when I get home.

And also, kelly green Spot Bilts were team issue at home for the Eagles in 1969. Have several color photos (including the ’69 patch), but can’t access flickr from work (I know I’ve emailed at least one of the photos to TimmyB, so perhaps he could post it before I’m able to).

—Ricko

[quote comment=”367163″]Late in yesterday’s thread, JimV19 took us to some vintage NFL video on youtube.

On there was the music intro CBS used from 1966 (and probably earlier) thru 1973 in various renditions. It was called “Confidence” and I thought – and still think it was the greatest football tune ev-er.

Until 1968, CBS actually used split audio for its football telecasts. So if say Ricko was watching his Vikings play the Packers in Green Bay in 1963 or thereabouts, he would hear the call of Herb Carneal and Clayton Tonnemaker, while viewers on the Green Bay side not blacked out would hear Ray Scott and Tony Canadeo on the call.

I know, I’m going waaaaay off topic here, but the sports TV-radio biz I hold almost as near and dear to my heart as the unis.[/quote]

Same here, timmy b.

Here is the video: link

And here are the classic videos for the NBC and CBS broadcasts in the 70s:

link

link

Great ESPN article, Paul.

That’s also cool what you and Scott did for that couple’s wedding.

By the way, I think the nurse in your vaccination story was hitting on you.

[quote comment=”367190″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
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“But only one team has never worn the captaincy patches: the Steelers.”

I can say with 99.9% certainty that the Ravens have also never worn it…even in preseason.

[quote comment=”367210″][quote comment=”367190″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
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I’m really wondering about how long that “cutesy font” lasted. It bothers me I’d never heard about/seen that before. Are there any in-game shots of that? The magazine cover is from July of 74, so it’s possible that logo never even made it onto the field.[/quote]

I wonder as well. Was it their official logo? Was it on letterheads and the like, and was that wordmark used elsewhere?

[quote comment=”367211″][quote comment=”367168″]any word on whether the bengals will be having link?[/quote]
according to the Bengals (link) it looks like they will have a sticker on the helmet in memoriam[/quote]

A few more details on the Bengals patch here: link

[quote comment=”367229″][quote comment=”367225″][quote comment=”367190″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
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“But only one team has never worn the captaincy patches: the Steelers.”

I can say with 99.9% certainty that the Ravens have also never worn it…even in preseason.[/quote]

Interesting — I was not aware of that. Someone else just wrote to me to tell me the Pats have never worn it either. Need to double-check these. Never heard either of those teams mentioned regarding the “C” patches.

Mea cupla(e)![/quote]

apparently the number of captains (and hency, captaincy patches) varies:

“Six teams decided not to honor their captains with that season-long designation in 2007, opting to select them on a weekly basis. That number dipped to four teams in 2008. But there are eight teams that have decided to go the weekly route in 2009: Atlanta, Baltimore, Green Bay, Jacksonville, the New York Jets, Oakland, Philadelphia and St. Louis.”

source

does this mean none of the teams wear the patches, or do the designated “weekly” captains get the patch for that game?

anyone know the protocol?

Good catch:
‘Kevin Dull found something odd in a Twin Cities shop: a winter cap in Gophers colors but with a Michigan M. “It was tagged with the NCAA license and everything,” he says’

However while the hat is in Minnesota colors and the Michigan block “M” I’d imagine it’s a hat for the University of Minnesota-Duluth Bulldogs. Who oddly enough used this style for a while instead of the Minnesota “M”

[quote comment=”367229″][quote comment=”367225″][quote comment=”367190″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
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“But only one team has never worn the captaincy patches: the Steelers.”

I can say with 99.9% certainty that the Ravens have also never worn it…even in preseason.[/quote]

Interesting — I was not aware of that. Someone else just wrote to me to tell me the Pats have never worn it either. Need to double-check these. Never heard either of those teams mentioned regarding the “C” patches.

Mea cupla(e)![/quote]

I’m fairly sure the cowboys have never worn this incarnation of the patch.

[quote comment=”367238″][quote comment=”367231″][quote comment=”367211″][quote comment=”367168″]any word on whether the bengals will be having link?[/quote]
according to the Bengals (link) it looks like they will have a sticker on the helmet in memoriam[/quote]

A few more details on the Bengals patch here: link

from the comments in that article:

i think the whole nfl should wear a decal.

that didn’t take long[/quote]

So does this mean I can just turn my Sean Taylor 21 upside down?

Joe Washington
U of Oklahoma
silver shoes
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[quote comment=”367238″][quote comment=”367231″][quote comment=”367211″][quote comment=”367168″]any word on whether the bengals will be having link?[/quote]
according to the Bengals (link) it looks like they will have a sticker on the helmet in memoriam[/quote]

A few more details on the Bengals patch here: link

from the comments in that article:

i think the whole nfl should wear a decal.

that didn’t take long[/quote]

Its only thursday. By Sunday the entire league (plus perhaps the NBA) will be wearing 15.

The newest team to the International Basketball League is the Albany Legends link
a team that will play at the historic Washington Avenue Armory. link

The Armory was home to the Albany Patroons for many years. Here’s a photos from the 80s, with Phil Jackson, I do believe: link

The IBL is cool – better than the NBA in some ways, in my opinion. Only one timeout per quarter, a 22-second shot clock, fast high-scoring games that remind you of the NBA in the 80s.

Okay, I might be a little biased…I worked for the Cuyahoga Falls Cougars back in the ’06 season, which was the league’s second. Still, if there’s an IBL game in your town, check it out some time.

Here’s the league website: link

captaincy patches

the Eagles never wore them either

bruce allen introduced as new ‘skins GM. (trying to work up enthusiasm about this)

[quote comment=”367249″]bruce allen introduced as new ‘skins GM. (trying to work up enthusiasm about this)[/quote]
Ladies and gentlemen, the Washington Macacas!

[quote comment=”367190″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
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You are wrong about the Steelers being the only team that hasn’t worn the captaincy patches. The Patriots have not worn them either.

[quote comment=”367253″][quote comment=”367190″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
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You are wrong about the Steelers being the only team that hasn’t worn the captaincy patches. The Patriots have not worn them either.[/quote]
Speaking of the article, were the black NOB’s on white tops really for one year? I thought it was only for the first week or two of the redesign before they got replaced. And good move to replace them. Methinks without the yellow NOB’s, the white tops in all-black cartoon font look like practice jerseys.

[quote comment=”367242″]Great read on ESPN today Paul.

I know you mentioned Iowa borrowing the Steelers uniforms. I wonder if you’ve ever seen St. Vincent College football. St. Vincent’s is in Latrobe, PA and has hosted the Steelers training camp for more than 40 years. They got a new football program the last few years and the field is even named Chuck Noll Field. The school colors are green and gold, but if you look at the pictures and substitute the green for black, the unis might look familiar. They even have their Bearcat logo on only the right side of the helmet.

link
In addition to Iowa copying the Steelers’ look, a similar case may be made for Duke’s football uniforms vis-a-vis those of the Colts.

con’t.
Then later a trip the Fleer Sticker Project blog produced the only other image of this from a 1981 Fleer sticker set that I can find:

link

I’ve searched the web for hours and these two were all I could find.

link

It’s obviously the city skyline in some sort of montage (the art museum “rocky” steps on the left and city hall on the right) but I can’t say that I remember it.

I’m probably stating the obvious here, but there were tarps across the folded up football stands behind the entire outfield wall. With the bullpens being right behind the wall in far left and right field.

Those tarps in the early years usually had the round emblems of the national league teams. Later on, they included the division, national league and one WS banner plus the retired numbers… Schmidt, Bunning, Carlton, Roberts, Ashburn and before it was imploded, Jackie Robinson.

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I would say maybe it might be for the bicentennial, but Trillo didn’t get here til after 1976. I have a tribute to the Vet DVD at home I’ll watch it and see if there are any shots of that unique backdrop.

Steelers and Iowa looked alike in the ’50s, too… link

[quote comment=”367209″]Hey Josh… Really cool Washington Expose jerseys. The partly-open zipper hemline stripe is very funny. (Liked your Mets and Isles jerseys too. Keep up the good work.)

– Lou[/quote]

Yes, the zipper stripe is hilarious! Nice job on all of it, the powder blue away jersey, the logo treatment and number font; well done Josh!

[quote comment=”367219″]L.C. Greenwood gets a lot of credit for introducing colored shoes. Granted, because of the bright athletic-gold and the fact the Steelers got so much air time, that’s to be expected.

But there were plenty of others who did it first. In the early ’70s Ron Johnson of the Giants wore royal blue pumas (RB Billy Taylor at Michigan, too). So did Giants Pete Athas and Rocky Thompson (or whatever his name was, KR, #22). Vic Washington and Johnny Fuller of 49ers wore red adidas and Riddells, respectively. Vern Studdard of Jets wore kelly pumas. I’ll check on others when I get home.

And also, kelly green Spot Bilts were team issue at home for the Eagles in 1969. Have several color photos (including the ’69 patch), but can’t access flickr from work (I know I’ve emailed at least one of the photos to TimmyB, so perhaps he could post it before I’m able to).

—Ricko[/quote]

wow Ricko…

you killed me w/ this post! I’d forgotten how many Michigan RunningBacks the Giants had been associated w/. ron johnson, billy taylor, jerrod bunch ——- yikes.

[quote comment=”367262″][quote comment=”367257″][quote comment=”367242″]Great read on ESPN today Paul.

I know you mentioned Iowa borrowing the Steelers uniforms. I wonder if you’ve ever seen St. Vincent College football. St. Vincent’s is in Latrobe, PA and has hosted the Steelers training camp for more than 40 years. They got a new football program the last few years and the field is even named Chuck Noll Field. The school colors are green and gold, but if you look at the pictures and substitute the green for black, the unis might look familiar. They even have their Bearcat logo on only the right side of the helmet.

link
In addition to Iowa copying the Steelers’ look, a similar case may be made for Duke’s football uniforms vis-a-vis those of the Colts.[/quote]

And for many, many years Nebraska looked like the Colts except in red and white.
link
All stuff right out of the catalogs back then.

—Ricko[/quote]

Man, that is a fantastic look…all the way down to those cool Pumas!

Great photo.

[quote comment=”367271″][quote comment=”367252″][quote comment=”367230″]I have my own trivia project to ask but it’s not uni related but more old Veterans Stadium related.[/quote]

I need more on this

I met my wife in section 732[/quote]

was she booing santa? or egging andy reid?
sorry, disgruntled giant fan simply venting! :)[/quote]

no worries,

Even after we choke again and lose yet another NFC title game this year, we will have a sweep of the Giants to look back on as a good memory of 2009

[quote comment=”367262″][quote comment=”367257″][quote comment=”367242″]Great read on ESPN today Paul.

I know you mentioned Iowa borrowing the Steelers uniforms. I wonder if you’ve ever seen St. Vincent College football. St. Vincent’s is in Latrobe, PA and has hosted the Steelers training camp for more than 40 years. They got a new football program the last few years and the field is even named Chuck Noll Field. The school colors are green and gold, but if you look at the pictures and substitute the green for black, the unis might look familiar. They even have their Bearcat logo on only the right side of the helmet.

link
In addition to Iowa copying the Steelers’ look, a similar case may be made for Duke’s football uniforms vis-a-vis those of the Colts.[/quote]

And for many, many years Nebraska looked like the Colts except in red and white.
link
All stuff right out of the catalogs back then.

—Ricko[/quote]
That came thru on the old Kodak All American team from the middle 70’s that were posted here on the comments section at the weekend. I remarked to myself how sharp they looked– a throwback’able style, eh?

[quote comment=”367272″][quote comment=”367271″][quote comment=”367252″][quote comment=”367230″]I have my own trivia project to ask but it’s not uni related but more old Veterans Stadium related.[/quote]

I need more on this

I met my wife in section 732[/quote]

was she booing santa? or egging andy reid?
sorry, disgruntled giant fan simply venting! :)[/quote]

no worries,

Even after we choke again and lose yet another NFC title game this year, we will have a sweep of the Giants to look back on as a good memory of 2009[/quote]

Our rivalry (along w/ ours & skins) is caracterized by the ‘brief domination’ for a few years. for instance, we’ve had your number for a few years and then the pendulum would swing in the other direction. IIRC, you guys owned us when Randall was making Carls Banks tackle thin air, we eventually had a bit of success w/ the iggles.. but these last few years are ridiculous!

I can’t hate Don as he’s a fellow SU alum, but gosh, I wish he’d move out of town!!!!

I hope Jerry Reese is reading this today…..
‘JERRY, PLEASE, NO MORE MICHIGAN RBs’ !!!!!

Johnson, Taylor, Woolfolk, Wheatley, Bunch, —- not great pro in the bunch!!!!

ricko — fyi: Joe Morris was a Syracuse alum.

[quote comment=”367186″]One other thing. As the circmstances of Henry’s demise come to light, the Bengals and others truly do need to understand those circumstances do—and should—influence the way someone ought to be remembered or memorialized.
[/quote]

In your opinion.

We don’t get to choose how someone else – especially 52+ other someones who actually [i]knew[/i] the deceased – get to memorialize someone. It doesn’t have to meet [i]our[/i] standards. It only has to meet [i]theirs[/i]. I realize we’re going to start the whole Steve McNair nonsense again, but, really…these types of things are exactly as much, if not more, about the healing process for those left behind (who often have a much different view of the departed than we – who, let’s be honest, do not meet these people – do) than they are about whether or not they meet our personal conduct standards.

I know, I know, “blah blah blah uniforms are a public display blah blah blah we are the sanctimonious keepers of what people can and cannot wear on athletic fields blah blah blah our opinions blah blah blah.”

Stop it. Just stop it. A man is dead. It’s just so completely trivial whether or not they wear a sticker or a patch or a black armband or whether or not the deceased was a good guy or a bad guy or somewhere in between.

Let them pay tribute. It’s about them, not about you.

[quote comment=”367281″][quote comment=”367168″]any word on whether the bengals will be having link?[/quote]

spot on Phil, according to this article (link)[/quote]
hate quoting myself, but bob holtzman did say that the team has not seen the decals …

[quote comment=”367280″][quote comment=”367186″]One other thing. As the circmstances of Henry’s demise come to light, the Bengals and others truly do need to understand those circumstances do—and should—influence the way someone ought to be remembered or memorialized.
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In your opinion.

We don’t get to choose how someone else – especially 52+ other someones who actually [i]knew[/i] the deceased – get to memorialize someone. It doesn’t have to meet [i]our[/i] standards. It only has to meet [i]theirs[/i]. I realize we’re going to start the whole Steve McNair nonsense again, but, really…these types of things are exactly as much, if not more, about the healing process for those left behind (who often have a much different view of the departed than we – who, let’s be honest, do not meet these people – do) than they are about whether or not they meet our personal conduct standards.

I know, I know, “blah blah blah uniforms are a public display blah blah blah we are the sanctimonious keepers of what people can and cannot wear on athletic fields blah blah blah our opinions blah blah blah.”

Stop it. Just stop it. A man is dead. It’s just so completely trivial whether or not they wear a sticker or a patch or a black armband or whether or not the deceased was a good guy or a bad guy or somewhere in between.

Let them pay tribute. It’s about them, not about you.[/quote]

There is room for a multitude of opinions. They can memorialize him all the same and we can have opinions on how they do that.

Memorials DO go over the top, and you can’t excuse every single memorial just because its a memorial.

I think 9/11 was a terrible tragedy and even I memorialized it in ways. At the same time I think the Yankees went overboard. My opinion.

[quote comment=”367242″]Great read on ESPN today Paul.

I know you mentioned Iowa borrowing the Steelers uniforms. I wonder if you’ve ever seen St. Vincent College football. St. Vincent’s is in Latrobe, PA and has hosted the Steelers training camp for more than 40 years. They got a new football program the last few years and the field is even named Chuck Noll Field. The school colors are green and gold, but if you look at the pictures and substitute the green for black, the unis might look familiar. They even have their Bearcat logo on only the right side of the helmet.

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I almost like the Green and Gold version better. I don’t think the Steelers should switch, but that’s an interesting concept. What would happen if one of the “uglier” teams in the league simply re-used another teams design, but in their own colors? Like the Bills’ red and royal, but on another pro (or college, for that matter) team’s template. Just a thought…

[quote comment=”367284″]
There is room for a multitude of opinions. They can memorialize him all the same and we can have opinions on how they do that.

Memorials DO go over the top, and you can’t excuse every single memorial just because its a memorial.

I think 9/11 was a terrible tragedy and even I memorialized it in ways. At the same time I think the Yankees went overboard. My opinion.[/quote]

Just because you have an opinion, it doesn’t mean you should voice it…
Just because you can do something it doesn’t mean you should.

[quote comment=”367190″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
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I maybe haven’t researched this question properly, but are the Steelers the only team to have their NOB a different colour (Yellow)to their Number (White) on a Jersey which is a Single colour (Black)?

Gonna say this once, and I’ll probably get drilled for it, but here goes.

Yesterday perhaps hundreds of groups of people lost a fellow employee. Say to a auto accident, perhaps to some other unexpected incident.

Will the companies for which they worked even ponder closing for a week? Will their fellow employees all get patches made bearing the lost employee’s extension number and wear them for the next few months? Y’know, so that others in restaurants and shopping malls know of their shared loss?

I think not, on both counts.

The veiled, though predominant, philosophy appears to be that athletes have some kind of elevated status. That losing one of them is some kind of mass societal sorrow, and we should, as a nation, or as a city at least, grieve publicly en masse.

Or perhaps the true message being sent actually is just the opposite: We don’t know how to handle something sad, how to grieve and get on with life, the way the rest of the world deals with such things.

That’s the element in all that kinda bothers me. Not the look at me, but rather the assumed look at US.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”367293″][quote comment=”367289″][quote comment=”367279″][quote comment=”367278″]I hope Jerry Reese is reading this today…..
‘JERRY, PLEASE, NO MORE MICHIGAN RBs’ !!!!!

Johnson, Taylor, Woolfolk, Wheatley, Bunch, —- not great pro in the bunch!!!!

ricko — fyi: Joe Morris was a Syracuse alum.[/quote]
Jamie Morris went to Michigan (played for skins).[/quote]

Thanks. I thought I might be mixing up my Morrises.

—Ricko[/quote]
Comparing wolverines and oranges.[/quote]

Yup, even harder than keeping up with the Jonses at Texas a few years back (Johnny “Lam” Jones, Johnny “Ham” Jones, Johnny “Jam” Jones).

“Lam” was from Lampasses, Texas.
“Ham” was, I think, from Hamilton, Texas.
Don’t remember the story on “Jam.” Might just have been that his middle initial was “J”.

—Ricko

No issue with what you say, but the key is, as you stated…
“A small public gesture for people who work in the public eye.”

Why? Because even in the public arena (perhaps ESPECIALLY in the public arena), dignity is always appropriate. Once told the teenage son of my boss (the kid was in the throes of some typical teenage nutsiness), “There is almost NO situation in life where it’s wrong to show a little class.”

—Ricko

Not sure if it’s been posted, but UMass will be wearing some beautiful Dr. J-era throwbacks on Saturday against Memphis:

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Compare to these current unis, which I’m sure Paul just LOVES (count the Adidas logos if you dare):

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Although not as much of a traditionalist as most people on here, I’d have to say BIG FREAKIN UPGRADE.

Another shot of green-footed Eagles…
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—Ricko

[quote comment=”367299″]Eagles in kelly green team-issue Spot Bilts at home…1969.

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—Ricko[/quote]
Norm Snead getting clobbered by “the enemy”.

[quote comment=”367283″][quote comment=”367276″][quote comment=”367272″][quote comment=”367271″][quote comment=”367252″][quote comment=”367230″]I have my own trivia project to ask but it’s not uni related but more old Veterans Stadium related.[/quote]

I need more on this

I met my wife in section 732[/quote]

was she booing santa? or egging andy reid?
sorry, disgruntled giant fan simply venting! :)[/quote]

no worries,

Even after we choke again and lose yet another NFC title game this year, we will have a sweep of the Giants to look back on as a good memory of 2009[/quote]

Our rivalry (along w/ ours & skins) is caracterized by the ‘brief domination’ for a few years. for instance, we’ve had your number for a few years and then the pendulum would swing in the other direction. IIRC, you guys owned us when Randall was making Carls Banks tackle thin air, we eventually had a bit of success w/ the iggles.. but these last few years are ridiculous!

I can’t hate Don as he’s a fellow SU alum, but gosh, I wish he’d move out of town!!!![/quote]

My dad was at that Monday Night game (he drove up with 3 Giants fans) at the Meadowlands the night where Randall bounced off Carl Banks then hit fellow PSU alum Jimmy Giles in the end zone for the TD. I was in college at the time so it had to 1989-ish.

There was also a game in that era that Clyde Simmons blocked FG in OT and ran it in for a touchdown. And of course the game where Keith Byars DECKED his best-man and college roommate T. (Pepper) Johnson while throwing the best block ever.

I was at a Monday night game at exit 16W in 2000 I believe, where mcnabb won it on the last series.

Great stuff.

Since andy & mcnuggets can’t win the big one, they will go down in history with the likes of Randall and Buddy as the classic under achievers. What a wasted opportunity.

Just paid my playoff invoice today. The downside of a good season. Merry Xmas.[/quote]

The only NFL game that I have ever been to was an Eagles/Giants game at the Meadowlands in 1986.

I had a Pop Warner game in the early afternoon, so I ended up going in half of my uni.

Two things stand out from the game.

Joe Morris ripped his jersey in the first half. I spent the rest of the game thinking that if I checked enough trash cans, that I would find it.

And on a botched PAT, Harry Carson caught a pass for the conversion.

The final score ended up being 35-3 and the Gianst yearbook that I bought at the game served as uni-watching fodder for damn near 20 years of my life!

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Ony in Miami. Ugly art sponsored by StarKist.

[quote comment=”367295″][quote comment=”367292″]If the whole thing gets overblown, it’s in part because of fans and the media (including all of us here at this site) making such a fuss over it. The body wasn’t even cold yet before I was getting emails asking me if they’d wear a decal, or a patch, or whatever. Kinda sad that that’s the first thing that goes thru people’s minds when someone dies.[/quote]

I think this is all related to the fact that most professional athletes are young (i.e., less than 30) and the younger generation tends to be more overt in their grieving than older generations.

I notice this in all the “In Loving Memory” t-shirts, jackets, and car decals I see when a high school- or college-aged person dies.

Just found out today that a 20-year friend of our two children committed suicide this morning–jumping off a park garage at Mizzou. Gonna be a tough holiday for his family.

[quote comment=”367290″][quote comment=”367190″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
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I maybe haven’t researched this question properly, but are the Steelers the only team to have their NOB a different colour (Yellow)to their Number (White) on a Jersey which is a Single colour (Black)?[/quote]

No, they’re not. The Rams have white names with gold numbers on their blue jerseys.

The Steelers might be the only team to use the same color NOB on both their white and dark jerseys though.

[quote comment=”367281″][quote comment=”367168″]any word on whether the bengals will be having link?[/quote]

spot on Phil, according to this article (link)[/quote]

bout the only thing i got right today

that was purely a guess too, but i figured standard issue black circle with team number…the rest was all MS paint

i wonder if this will become league-wide…or if there will be a 15 at midfield in the bengals game

Notre Dame’s not interested in the Big Eleven:
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Think the feeling’s mutual?

There’s talk of Mizzou joining, but I figured Iowa State was the best candidate. Pitt would be a great rival again for PSU, but I’d rather have PSU jump to the Big East. As for Rutgers? Too far away, in my opinion.

How about ISU and Cincy join the Big Ten, while Penn State returns to its rightful place? Works for me.

Paint the 15-yard line black. The Bears did something similar, putting a football with a 34 in it at the 34-yard line.

Huh? For an all-time legend yes. Not a third string receiver who made a very bad decision.

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Sorry, comrade, could you take me to America? Because that’s where I thought I was…

(cue patriotic music)

If you do it with class and consideration, everyone SHOULD voice his or her opinion (even Phil). That’s how you learn about other people, and you may learn a little something about yourself in the process that you didn’t previously know.

(steps down from soapbox and turns off music)[/quote]

next time you post something like this jim…im going to look at you in a new light

did any of you send me a case of link? i have no idea who did this, but if you did it, let me know so i can thank you properly! it is the greatest condiment known to man.

[quote comment=”367320″][quote comment=”367312″]
Sorry, comrade, could you take me to America? Because that’s where I thought I was…

(cue patriotic music)

If you do it with class and consideration, everyone SHOULD voice his or her opinion (even Phil). That’s how you learn about other people, and you may learn a little something about yourself in the process that you didn’t previously know.

(steps down from soapbox and turns off music)[/quote]

next time you post something like this jim…im going to link in a new light[/quote]

Time to go through my photos. I need a new head shot…

[quote comment=”367262″][quote comment=”367257″][quote comment=”367242″]Great read on ESPN today Paul.

I know you mentioned Iowa borrowing the Steelers uniforms. I wonder if you’ve ever seen St. Vincent College football. St. Vincent’s is in Latrobe, PA and has hosted the Steelers training camp for more than 40 years. They got a new football program the last few years and the field is even named Chuck Noll Field. The school colors are green and gold, but if you look at the pictures and substitute the green for black, the unis might look familiar. They even have their Bearcat logo on only the right side of the helmet.

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In addition to Iowa copying the Steelers’ look, a similar case may be made for Duke’s football uniforms vis-a-vis those of the Colts.[/quote]

And for many, many years Nebraska looked like the Colts except in red and white.
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All stuff right out of the catalogs back then.

—Ricko[/quote]

Correct about the catalogs, but Nebraska was unique, I believe, because of the double stripe on the cuff. Pretty cool IMO.

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I can only give you this idea from the perspective of an athlete. My junior year in college we lost one of our players over Thanksgiving break to a car accident (that also claimed both of his grandparents). I feel the difference in my mind between the loss of a coworker and the loss of a teammate is this: a teammate shares a passion and a common bond in the choice to play a sport you love. Whether you are close or not, you will always share that bond, the sweat, the blood, the aches, the pains, and everything else that goes with playing a sport (hockey in this case). That bond transcends the typical nature of a coworker (in most cases) which is often an acquaintance based merely on a common employer and not much else.

We chose to honor Seth with a small decal on our helmets and hanging his jersey at every game. Today, our early season tournament now bears his name as does our locker room. Seth’s family also continues to be fantastic supporters of the Northwood program because it was something that Seth loved dearly and helped pave the way for the more recent successes.

I have lost several former coworkers(albeit none during my tenure) and while their losses are tragedies I never felt anywhere near the same that I did at the passing of Seth.

Ooops, forget to add…

When the Eagles added the black edge to the numbers, they also changed the pant stripes from two kelly stripes to a standard three-color stripe (black around kelly).

—Ricko

[quote comment=”367326″][quote comment=”367262″][quote comment=”367257″][quote comment=”367242″]Great read on ESPN today Paul.

I know you mentioned Iowa borrowing the Steelers uniforms. I wonder if you’ve ever seen St. Vincent College football. St. Vincent’s is in Latrobe, PA and has hosted the Steelers training camp for more than 40 years. They got a new football program the last few years and the field is even named Chuck Noll Field. The school colors are green and gold, but if you look at the pictures and substitute the green for black, the unis might look familiar. They even have their Bearcat logo on only the right side of the helmet.

link
In addition to Iowa copying the Steelers’ look, a similar case may be made for Duke’s football uniforms vis-a-vis those of the Colts.[/quote]

And for many, many years Nebraska looked like the Colts except in red and white.
link
All stuff right out of the catalogs back then.

—Ricko[/quote]

Correct about the catalogs, but Nebraska was unique, I believe, because of the double stripe on the cuff. Pretty cool IMO.

link

Ah, forgot about the Eagles’ loops. They had double stripes on the cuffs, too. Really, too big.
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Paul,

Re: ESPN Article –

The Eagles have never worn the captain’s patch.

[quote comment=”367335″]bobble bobble cobble bobble cobble bobble bobble bobble bobble cobble bobble bobble cobble bobble cobble bobble bobble bobble bobble cobble bobble bobble cobble bobble cobble bobble bobble bobble bobble cobble bobble bobble cobble bobble cobble bobble bobble bobble bobble cobble bobble bobble cobble bobble cobble bobble bobble bobble bobble cobble bobble bobble cobble bobble cobble bobble bobble bobble bobble cobble bobble bobble cobble bobble cobble bobble bobble bobble bobble cobble bobble bobble cobble bobble cobble bobble bobble bobble bobble cobble bobble bobble cobble bobble cobble bobble bobble bobble bobble cobble bobble bobble cobble bobble cobble bobble bobble bobble bobble cobble bobble bobble cobble bobble cobble bobble bobble bobble bobble cobble bobble bobble cobble bobble cobble bobble bobble bobble bobble cobble[/quote]
ooooooooooooooooooooo, i must be in the zone, it all matched up all ocd hating 8 style.

[quote comment=”367261″]http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3968/2b1i.jpg

It’s obviously the city skyline in some sort of montage (the art museum “rocky” steps on the left and city hall on the right) but I can’t say that I remember it.

I’m probably stating the obvious here, but there were tarps across the folded up football stands behind the entire outfield wall. With the bullpens being right behind the wall in far left and right field.

Those tarps in the early years usually had the round emblems of the national league teams. Later on, they included the division, national league and one WS banner plus the retired numbers… Schmidt, Bunning, Carlton, Roberts, Ashburn and before it was imploded, Jackie Robinson.

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I would say maybe it might be for the bicentennial, but Trillo didn’t get here til after 1976. I have a tribute to the Vet DVD at home I’ll watch it and see if there are any shots of that unique backdrop.[/quote]

Cool. Hope to hear more about it. Manny Trillo didn’t play for the Phillies until 1979, which makes it curious on why I haven’t seen more photos of it if it was the Bicential graphics. Maybe it was covered by tarps most of the time?

Ha! Totally forgot about those. I used to agonize over which guys to put on my X-mas list. I remember having a guy from the Jets, Chargers, Falcons, Rams and Bills. Wish I still had ’em as those old school unis would be sweet to display.