So who else needs fixin’?

October 17, 2009

By Phil Hecken

Well, MLB has finally begun the League Championship Series, so as the second season begins to build towards ~~the matchup FOX would kill for~~ a possible Yankees-Dodgers World Series (and a uni classic of epic proportions), lets take another look at what you, the readers, have dreamed up to fix your favorite teams. We tweaked the White Sox, the Brewers and the Blue Jays, plus a whole bunch of others — so let’s empty the baseball tank today and see who else needs fixin’.

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First up is Hungry Hungry Hipster, who has an unique take on the Bronx Bombers. Here’s HHH:

Hi Phil!

Attached is my Yankees jersey “uni tweak.” Since the Yankees are so traditional and probably wouldn’t want a major redesign of their classic uniforms, I decided to give them a subtle update. I was inspired by the treatment the NFL ref jersey stripes got in their update several years ago. I widened the pinstripes at the top of the jersey, and they mirror the flared ends (serifs?) of the Yankee logo. :)

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Next up is Matthew Mark Sajna, who has some ideas for the Indians. Here’s Matt:

Here is my idea of how to improve the Uniforms of the Indians. The first set include the home and away jerseys. These are fauxback uniform combinations, and they feature my idea for a new logo the team could intorduce as a sort of compromise for the protestors against the iconic Chief Wahoo. The second set features alternate unis for both home and away games. I brought back the red jersey as a harken back to the 70’s. Hope you like them. Thanks.

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Our next submission comes to us from Jordan Fleck, who has some thoughts on the Houston Astros. Here’s Jordan (who apparently likes all capital letters):

SINCE EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE IN THE MODDE TO REINVIGORATE THEIR CURRENT TEAMS DESIGN, I THOUGHT THAT IT’D BE A GOOD IDEA TO GIVE THE ASTROS FAITHFULL A MAKEOVER. THE FIRST IS MY ATTEMPT AT USING THE CURRENT COLORS WITH A NEW SCRIPT FONT ON THE JERSEY AND A TWO TONE CAP. THE BLACK ALTERNATE WOULD BE USED FOR BATTING PRACTICE AND I DECIDED TO CREATE A BIT OF A FAUX-BACK FOR A COLT .45S JERSEY TO BE WORN ON SUNDAY GAMES.

IN THE SECOND ATTEMPT, I WENT BACK TO THE MIDNIGHT BLUE AND SUNSET ORANGE COLOR SCHEME WITH THE NEW SCRIPT FONT AND AN ORANGE AND BLUE ALTERNATE. I LIKE THE ORANGE AND BLUE TONES BUT THEY DON’T LOOK GOOD IN GREY.

Jordan also included this cool Chinese motif with his submission — not sure if that’s supposed to go with the Astros mocks, but it’s interesting nonetheless.

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Moving along, we have Doug Peltz, who has graced his with his concepts for the Detroit Tigers and Oakland A’s. Here’s Doug:

I saw your column today about making changes to MLB jerseys. I have a couple that I came up with a while ago and though I’d pass them along. I have a away alternate and an Oakland A’s home alternate. I’ve also included a new Tiger’s logo which is a combination of the old 80’s logo and the more recent Tiger crawling through the Olde English D logo. Hope you like them.

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Our next submission comes from Matt McCutchan, who tweaked the Marlins. Here’s Matt:

Going for a more classic look and most importantly away from the black. If the mgmt wants to get away from the “90s teal,” I thought a UNC blue with navy highlights and just a touch of orange, the way, say, the STL Cardinals have a touch of yellow, would look nice..along with the navy piping..i hope you dig it.

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Another Mets concept — a tweak on a previous concept — comes to us from Adam Wood. Here’s Adam:

Let me just start by saying that I’m a little pumped that I’m sending my first uniform design to you. Whether or not anyone gets to see it doesn’t concern me too much. Alex Rocklein made an excellent design for the Mets. However, there are a few things that I thought would be better. You will notice in the attached picture all my proposed revisions.

1) Replaced that orange button on the hats with a much more subtle blue one.
2) Got rid of the funky orange drop shadows and just gave the blue numbers an orange outline.
3) Added a number to the front of the home jersey as well as enlarged the one on the front of the roadies.
4) Took Alex’s idea for the road’s arm bands and applied the blue-orange-blue pattern to the whites.
5) On the home uniforms only, I removed the mets logo and replaced it with a Mr. Met patch.

If you want to get really detailed

6) I took the traditional “Mr. Met at bat” patch and cleaned it up by making all the cream colors to white, and changing the blue hat with an orange brim to all blue in order to better match the team.

Thanks for taking the time to check my ideas out.

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Although our next submitter, Andrew Dixon missed the article containing all the Blue Jays tweaks, he sent the following along for your consideration. Here’s Andrew:

Hi Phil,

I am sending along a Blue Jays concept I came up with about six months ago. At the time, I didn’t have an email address for you, but I sent it along to Paul and asked him to forward it to you. I don’t know if that never happened or whether it did and it was so long ago it was forgotten, but I’d love to share my concept with UniWatch readers! I know I missed the day dedicated to Blue Jays posts, but hopefully you can work it in when you present the other re-design concepts!

I drew up home, away, home alternate, and road alternate concepts. I must admit I have an inexplicable affinity for the whole sans serif/no capitalization “mod” look in fonts which has recently become popular again (think the Pepsi font). The funny thing is, I always thought I hated this style – especially the trend toward not capitalizing things that ought to be capitalized – and I think part of me still does, and yet I also must admit to being weirdly drawn to it. I know it is very reminiscent of that old Padres font from 1978-1984, but what can I say? I like it, even as I know it has that kind of dated look (but that sort of font is very in right now – again, Pepsi, photobucket, etc.).

The other idea I had was to alternate shades of blue in the lettering: Blue Jays, after all, exhibit more than one shade of blue in their feathers, so, between the lettering and the use of powder blue for the road alternate, I’ve employed three shades of blue in this design.

One final note: had I had the expertise, I would have tried to mimic the original Blue Jays font by having a white line pass through the middle of all the letters in the word “blue jays,” just like it does/did in their original wordmark. However, I couldn’t get that to work in MS Paint, which is what I used, without making it look bad/unprofessional, so I gave up. If someone can do that to this design, I’d love to see what it looks like.

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Winding down, our next submitter is Dwayne White, who has some Cincinnati Reds concepts. Here’s Dwayne:

Phil:

I love the articles about the MLB uniform updates.

I decided to tackle the Cincinnati Reds. I am not much of a fan of the “faux old-timer” look that the Reds are currently sporting. I grew up following the Reds in the late-’60’s and ’70’s of The Big Red Machine era. I always loved their traditional look, but the pullovers went on to long.

On the jerseys, I “ditched the black” drop shadows and went with the MLB Block font that the Reds used from the 1960’s until 2007. I felt it was a more traditional look with an updated style. I am not a fan of the current font that the Reds are currently using. The guys at The Clink Room did a good job, but it is not my cup of tea.

The road jersey is a button-down version of The Big Red Machine uniform. The home alternate jersey is a cream-colored vest look from the mid-’60’s. I like the cream colored jersey of the Giants and I went with that look for the vests. In my opinion, not every team can wear vests. Much like every team can’t wear pinstripes like the Yankees do. The Reds and Pirates vests have a deep tradition and I thought I’d incorporate that look. I also included a pinstriped cap to go with the vests, but a red cap can also be worn.

The home jersey is a crisp, bright snow white color with the contrast of red. The Sunday alternate jersey is my favorite. The bright red with the contrast of white, devoid of any black or drop shadows, is an upgrade without too many bumperstickers. Plus, it can be worn with the white, gray or the pinstriped pants.

I also went with the 4 inch player names on the back instead of the traditional 3 inch letters. That also harkens back to the mid-’60’s up until 2007. I like the name under the numbers, but not in an arch like the Reds have used, but no trim was used.

I hope you enjoy my concepts.

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Our next submission also comes from a reader, Christopher Parke, who missed the Blue Jays fixin. But that’s OK, he’s got a uni concept anyway. Here’s Chris:

Your recent blog post about revamping the blue jays awful uniforms got me in a creative mood. I used the ideas and designs of the contributors in your post (including yours)and some of my own ideas. The MS Paint file is attached. What do you think?

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The penultimate tweak comes from Geoffrey Waterman, who has conceptualized the Seattle Mariners. Here’s Geoffrey:

Hi!

I don’t really think the Seattle Mariners need to much to change their uniforms, but with the Sonics gone and a new soccer team that incorporates very similar colors that the Mariners use, plus the Seahawks, I thought they could use some color change.

I decided to go with a combination of the M-trident logo from the olden days and colors similar to then as well as from the baseball-M’s logo era. I chose to use a different font (partly because the one they use now is difficult to find) because I wanted to find something that reflected the metropolitan aspect of Seattle while not being hoity-toity. And for the numbers I wanted to use something similar to the ones used in their current alternate, a little more curvy and visually appealing.

With the home uniform I didn’t want to add much except for the change in font, number and color scheme (enough damage already), so I kept the blue piping, blue belt and the blue hat on white, with a similar arch to the team name and player name. I liked the non-capital “seattle” of the powder-blue Pilots unis, so I took that idea but with the “Mariners” for home, keeping the capital M to match the capital S on the hat. I also introduced a side stripe for the pants (followed down into the stirrups) and the sleeve stripes that made the Pilots uniforms so sexy.

With the away uniform, the changes were much the same as with the home, including the pants stripes, but I kept a straight blue stirrup for simplicity’s sake. It is the away uni, after all.

The alternate uniform is a few ideas mixed together. it has the sleeve and pants stripes from the home uniform, with stirrup stripes that match the sleeves. I did the jersey in the blue but with yellow sleeves (not a vest!), and did just the trident logo and a number on the front””it is supposed to be a home alternate.

Thanks! Hopefully someone else did some Mariners mock-ups to compare. Like I said, though, not that they need it.

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Next up is Ben Traxel, one of our Sartell Sabres “Design A Cap” contest participants. Ben has seemingly way too much time on his hands, as I think he’s tweaked every MLB team (or is on his way to so doing). However, they’re really outstanding efforts, and you’ll wanna check each one out. So, take a deep breath, and enjoy the creativity that is Ben:

Phil,
As you can see, I’ve been working waaaay too long on this and not enough at my job lately. Part of the sickness I guess. At least I’ve been having fun along the way! I’ve got some more started but these are the ones I have finished. I really liked the Brewers changes the other day and wanted to tweak my tweaks after seeing the awsome designs posted, but alas, I left them alone. I’ve been e-mailing back and forth with Frosty and RPM in the process too. Well, here’s an explaination of each of the ones I’ve gotten to so far (I will do them all but it might take till next season!).

Process: I generally tried to look at the past of each team (that has a past) and use what is already available instead of completely redoing scripts, logos, colors, etc. In some cases I’ve gone all the way though. I prefer the city letter on the hat, mascot on the homies, and city on the roadies. I started doing this before all the tweaking began on the blog, with my versions of 70s alt unis. This was inspired by the Royals powder blues this year. Had to do sansabelts to make it “complete” but I suppose they could be used with belts as well. After you started posting the White Sox, I took it to another level and began adding the dailies to go with my alts. I never really liked having alts but now I’ve kind of changed my tune and am okay with one worn occasionally. Stirrups with stripes are a must. I am tired of boring grays and boilerplate designs that seem to be the same on each team so I tried to make something unique for the whites and grays for everybody. I am not afraid of bright colors as you will see…….here goes.

Brewers: home … road … alt. Current design looks to be off the shelf by people who have no sense of history or passion for baseball. Definately needs a redsign. Put the old M back on the hat. Go with colors from the originals. I recycled the BREWERS which could be this design or the block font. Either one works, but I chose this one. Could do without the lower case e, but none the less, looks okay. Barrel man needs a comeback so I put him on the state map for the sleeve. Added the hops to get something from the current set. Colored sanis need to make a comeback here also.

White Sox: home … road … alt. I put the alt together before you even had your White Sox tweak post. I always dug the collars from the late 70s so I had to include them. This is the only team that doesn’t have stirrups but the stripes certainly add to the overall getup. I created a new hat logo with a C that I think turned out pretty good. Never liked the big S and smallish O and X on the current logo so I combined them to make it work better for the alt. I know the three concepts don’t match each other but since they are never worn together I never thought that really mattered.

Cubs: home … road … alt. Obviously the pinstripes didn’t need much help as they have become a classic even though they really didn’t come around until later in the franchise existance. I just modified the logo a little, going back to an older version. The bear sleeve patch was always cool and needs to be a fixture. The roads is where the Cubs always seem to have had touble as they tend to change quite regularly. I went with a powder blue that is not quite as electric as some and it looks to work quite well. The horsecollar and red CHICAGO made the whole design come together. I tried some combos of blue lettering/numbering but the red by far stood out. I hope they never bring back the red cap bill. I know a lot of people don’t like pins on dark jerseys but the white ones from the 70s look mighty fine with the white pants in my opinion on the alts. Added the powder sanis to make it complete.

Pirates: home … road … alt. This is one team that vests work on. Either a team is a vest team or they are not. Hint Rockies? Not much to tweak here, but add the colored sanis and make all letters in PIRATES the same size. The Roadies are one of my favorites. The horsecollar being contrasted with the gray really came to life with the double yellow stripe. Hasn’t been done in decades and I fell in love once I started messing with it. The yellow alt with the red trim is of course taken from the late 70s. Kind of fun and should be a big seller for the fans….IMO don’cha know.

Rays: home … road … alt. Here is one team with no history to go off of. To me this means no horsecollar which has ties to the ancient past. Being in Florida, they definately need to brighten their look and do away with their drab getup they have. The sunburst is cool, stick with that. Kept the Devil Ray logo on the sleeve as well. The colors though are brighter, happier, beachier, Floridaier. Created a “watertable” on the whites and made their version of power blue more acqua for obvious reasons. They definately need to have more fun. Maybe they were a little gunshy during their latest overhaul after that first disaster!

Orioles: home … road … alt. Like the Pirates, not much to tweak here. My biggest beef is that damn bird they keep sticking on the hat. It didn’t work before, it didn’t work when it was a cartoon, and it doesn’t work now. Nothing more wimpy than that birdmark. So. In the beginning they had a B on the hat. There is still nothing more classic than a basic letter as the hat logo. Stick the old block B back up there an don’t worry about the Red Sox claiming it is a copied B idea from them. It was their once, do it again. The cartoon duck thing, older style that looks much classier, works well on the sleeve. Other than that, These guys are good, keeping the city name on the grays of course.

Padres: home … road … alt. Similar to the Rays, this team needs color. They had it once and I think they need it again. I always liked the brown/yellow scheme but it does lead to a bid of a toilet bowl conotation so I stayed away. Electric powder is the way to go for these guys. The alts obviously play off the past and I chose the best remaining wordmarks for the dailies. The sleeve patch is also a classic and should be kept but the hat has always had issues. They never seem to be satisfied with the interlocking SD, how it should be connected, the exact font, etc. I created a new hat logo with the setting sun SD. This is another beachy team and colors need to be used to make this statement.

One more thing, I created my own template in Autocad where I do all my work. It is what I know best so I just stay with that. Well, there you have it. For now. I will be doing more, and will get them to you when I get another good batch. We might not be in baseball season at that time, but oh well. Always enjoy your weekenders.

Wow, Ben, those were awesome. But wait … He isn’t done yet — Ben also sent me mock ups (without descriptions) for the following — and I’m sure if he’s reading this post, he’ll tell us all about the following in the comments:

Oakland A’s: home … road … alt.

Arizona Diamondbacks: home … road … alt.

Florida Marlins: home … road … alt.

Texas Rangers: home … road … alt.

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Whew…that’s some work by the avid (or is it rabid?) UW readership. Great stuff one and all. I apologize for the length of this post, but I had so many great uni tweaks I wanted to put them all into one post — didn’t realize it was gonna be this long, but hey — more for you to enjoy. Thanks to all the submitters. Let them know how you feel about their tweaks!

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Our man on the street, Jim Vilk, is back from the boonies for his “NC2A matchups”. He is gonna have a tough time with his uni matchups today — there are some outstanding potential ones, and a possible bunch of clunkers. Now, I don’t always agree with his choices, but he’s pretty discerning in his picks. How bout some nominees from you guys today? Scan the wires, check out the obscure games, find the doozies. You don’t want him to put USC/ND or The Red River Rivalry in the one spot, right? Post picks of your top (best and worst) games for his consideration down below. Thanks!

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Guess The Game From The Scoreboard: Aight…as the season winds down, we’re gonna get a little tricky with this scoreboard. Not all that tricky, but it might give you pause. Teams are pretty obvious, but that’s where the ease ends. Or maybe not. You guys are too good at this game to be stumped, especially with this one. But I’ll give it a shot anyway. As always, and if possible, please do NOT post the date of the game but link to Baseball Almanac or Retrosheet and post a link to the answer. If that’s not possible, but I believe it is, link to a newspaper story or something similar which details the game. OK? OK. Ready. Guess The Game.

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ATTENTION UNI TRACKERS — If you’re on of those insane lunatics, like me, who has kept track of your teams’ uniform combinations for all 162 (or, if you track the Twins, all 163) games this season, think about gathering all of your data, plus a final writeup, for your tracking. I may post my Mets tracking tomorrow, depending upon the size of the post. I’m hoping to gather everyone’s tracking and (if Paul gives me the OK), possibly place them into one big file for inclusion in the archives. When you have your stuff ready, send them to me with the subject line “UNI TRACKING – (your team)”. If you made it this far, I thank you for all your efforts. You don’t need to be terribly brief in your write-up, but please don’t compose a novel either. Make sure you list any particular trends or unique factors. I can tell you this: The Mets sucked this year, but not surprisingly, they had better records in certain combinations — now, had they worn those combinations more or less often, would their record have been any different? Who is to say. All I know is, when all was said and done, the Mets wore TWELVE different combinations this season, sporting (shockingly) winning records in six of them. Stay tuned (if you care) for the full writeup.

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Ah…don’t ya hate it when those young whippersnappers think they’re faster and smarter and better lookin’ than you are? Pretty sure Mick does. Unfortunately, he’s wrong. But does this mean that Mick is only half-fast? Enjoy your Saturday Benchies. And remember, any resemblance between Mick and Rick is, well, purely coincidental.

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This and That: Did we ever get a linkie to the new UNLV basketball unis? I don’t remember. Forgive me if we did … I know this was posted (at least in the comments), but worth another look-see: SI takes a look at the AFL legacy unis … Speaking of AFL throwbacks, the Patriots and ~~Titans~~ Oilers will be wearing them this Sunday … Big game at Big Bend today, when the Irish meet the Trojans, and will the Irish break out the green like they did before the ’77 matchup? … This is a few days old, but the Huff Post has a nice breakdown of Broncos Unis through the years … In one of those moments where “you remember exactly where you were,” it was 20 years ago today (don’t you feel old now?) … It’s gotta be the unis, right? Nope. Both football teams from Mizzou are winless in 2009, despite both wearing throwbacks last weekend … Fresh on the heels of Paul’s post yesterday on the Winter Olympics ~~melted records~~ medals, the London Olympics of 2012 has unveiled it’s logos — yawn … Wanna own one of them game-used, unwashed Bronco uniforms from last weekend’s Legacy game? Here’s your chance … If you’re not a baseball fan, or don’t live in the northeast, or reside in my condo (which has no heat, thank you very little), you might not know it was cold at Yankee Stadium last night — like really cold — Lots of Fudd’s and hoodies on the participants … “Bullpen? What Bullpen?” … For every king, a crown … Apparently the porthole was closed, but the velcro wasn’t … Looks like the seventh inning stretch at Yankee Stadium will be a little shorter now, but let’s hope the Steinbrenner’s don’t hire this guy to replace this guy … Rafa, dude, what’s up with the shorts? Did they belong to A-Rod’s outfit? … Does this remind anyone of this? … And finally, what happens when you go to an adidas school, but you’d rather wear Jordans? Well, if you’re Marcus Jordan, what do you think? (thanks to James Huening for the tip.)

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Alrighty then, that’s a wrap for this fine Saturday. Enjoy the football, because it looks like mother nature may deprive you of baseball. Oh, right, I guess there’s hockey and some other stuff too. Unitrackers, start your engines, and lets see some of them gridiron matchups you hope Jim will pick as his top 5 (or worst). Have a great Saturday

Comments (151)

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I’m just going to say that Sports Illustrated doesn’t truly “get it” either.

From the first page in their little look at the AFL uniforms:

[quote]The Buffalo Bills wore their original uniforms…[/quote]

So, a replica what was actually their third uniform is “original”? This is how bad information spreads. Good job SI.

Hey thanks for including my mets tweak. Gotta love Dwayne’s reds concepts. Especially The snow whites. It’s a thing of beauty.

Tweak the Yankees uniform? WTF is wrong with you? Thoughts like that lead to those Buffalo Bills and Vikings uniforms that we all love.

[quote comment=”354784″]Tweak the Yankees uniform? WTF is wrong with you? Thoughts like that lead to those Buffalo Bills and Vikings uniforms that we all love.[/quote]

No one should be immune from tweaking. Personally I’d like to see them with a white hat with pinstripes as an option.

…and it’s not like the Yankees have held back off the field. You can buy an NY hat in almost any color you can imagine.

[quote comment=”354782″]I’m just going to say that Sports Illustrated doesn’t truly “get it” either.

From the first page in their little look at the AFL uniforms:

[quote]The Buffalo Bills wore their original uniforms…[/quote]

So, a replica what was actually their third uniform is “original”? This is how bad information spreads. Good job SI.[/quote]

In that vein.
Couldn’t resist. Wanted to see how Jets/Titans and Titans/Oilers would look if they were accurate to 1960.
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—Ricko

For once, I think I have the scoreboard sussed:
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[quote comment=”354786″][quote comment=”354782″]I’m just going to say that Sports Illustrated doesn’t truly “get it” either.

From the first page in their little look at the AFL uniforms:

[quote]The Buffalo Bills wore their original uniforms…[/quote]

So, a replica what was actually their third uniform is “original”? This is how bad information spreads. Good job SI.[/quote]

In that vein.
Couldn’t resist. Wanted to see how Jets/Titans and Titans/Oilers would look if they were accurate to 1960.
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—Ricko[/quote]

And here they are playing one another at the Polo Grounds in 1960.
You can clearly see the Oilers’ numbers and sock stripes match the darker (red) center stripe on the pants.
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—Ricko

[quote comment=”354786″][quote comment=”354782″]I’m just going to say that Sports Illustrated doesn’t truly “get it” either.

From the first page in their little look at the AFL uniforms:

[quote]The Buffalo Bills wore their original uniforms…[/quote]

So, a replica what was actually their third uniform is “original”? This is how bad information spreads. Good job SI.[/quote]

In that vein.
Couldn’t resist. Wanted to see how Jets/Titans and Titans/Oilers would look if they were accurate to 1960.
link
link

—Ricko[/quote]

Are you sure about those?

If those are right, then someone really needs to resurrect and update that football uniform past & present site, as both of those don’t match.

A great man has been wronged…

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…and the political fallout, will be astronomical…

[quote comment=”354789″][quote comment=”354786″][quote comment=”354782″]I’m just going to say that Sports Illustrated doesn’t truly “get it” either.

From the first page in their little look at the AFL uniforms:

[quote]The Buffalo Bills wore their original uniforms…[/quote]

So, a replica what was actually their third uniform is “original”? This is how bad information spreads. Good job SI.[/quote]

In that vein.
Couldn’t resist. Wanted to see how Jets/Titans and Titans/Oilers would look if they were accurate to 1960.
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link

—Ricko[/quote]

Are you sure about those?

If those are right, then someone really needs to resurrect and update that football uniform past & present site, as both of those don’t match.[/quote]

…and posting while you were adding a picture.

Ok then.

I also believe the NY Titans wore royal jerseys that first year. In that photo, and all the other B&W I have, there is no way their jerseys photograph as dark as the Bears’ navy.

And this jersey…
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…certainly isn’t the same color as the Jets’ legacy Titans jerseys.

[quote comment=”354788″][quote comment=”354786″][quote comment=”354782″]I’m just going to say that Sports Illustrated doesn’t truly “get it” either.

From the first page in their little look at the AFL uniforms:

[quote]The Buffalo Bills wore their original uniforms…[/quote]

So, a replica what was actually their third uniform is “original”? This is how bad information spreads. Good job SI.[/quote]

In that vein.
Couldn’t resist. Wanted to see how Jets/Titans and Titans/Oilers would look if they were accurate to 1960.
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link

—Ricko[/quote]

And here they are playing one another at the Polo Grounds in 1960.
You can clearly see the Oilers’ numbers and sock stripes match the darker (red) center stripe on the pants.
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—Ricko[/quote]

Now I have to wonder if the Oilers red was a mid-season adjustment, similar to the Raiders and the silver-turning-black number issue.

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Anyone who still hasn’t responded to the NFL road uni survey and wants to: now’s your last chance.

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[quote comment=”354792″]I also believe the NY Titans wore royal jerseys that first year. In that photo, and all the other B&W I have, there is no way their jerseys photograph as dark as the Bears’ navy.

And this jersey…
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…certainly isn’t the same color as the Jets’ legacy Titans jerseys.[/quote]

For ’61 and ’62, though, they DID wear navy…but the gold was Athletic (Steeler) Gold, not Old Gold.
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–Ricko

[quote comment=”354793″][quote comment=”354788″][quote comment=”354786″][quote comment=”354782″]I’m just going to say that Sports Illustrated doesn’t truly “get it” either.

From the first page in their little look at the AFL uniforms:

[quote]The Buffalo Bills wore their original uniforms…[/quote]

So, a replica what was actually their third uniform is “original”? This is how bad information spreads. Good job SI.[/quote]

In that vein.
Couldn’t resist. Wanted to see how Jets/Titans and Titans/Oilers would look if they were accurate to 1960.
link
link

—Ricko[/quote]

And here they are playing one another at the Polo Grounds in 1960.
You can clearly see the Oilers’ numbers and sock stripes match the darker (red) center stripe on the pants.
link

—Ricko[/quote]

Now I have to wonder if the Oilers red was a mid-season adjustment, similar to the Raiders and the silver-turning-black number issue.[/quote]

Nope, Oilers wore red numbers and red stripes on high socks the entire first season.
In fact, they did in ’61, too. Difference was there was no longer a powder edge on either the sock stripes or numbers (note the numbers are no longer the “arabic” style; that was a one-year thing)…
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That site has a LOT of mistakes on the early AFL.
Most sites do with regard to the unis.
Hell, even SI doesn’t know what the Bills wore the first two years (although this is from their 1962 preview issue; Bills vs. Texans, ’61 photo)…
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—Ricko

[quote comment=”354798″]
Nope, Oilers wore red numbers and red stripes on high socks the entire first season.
In fact, they did in ’61, too. Difference was there was no longer a powder edge on either the sock stripes or numbers (note the numbers are no longer the “arabic” style; that was a one-year thing)…
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—Ricko[/quote]

Well bloody dammit, we need a new, accurate uniform history site.

Mizzou is a nickname for the University of Missouri, not the state. Just like you wouldn’t say the Seahawks are from Wazzu, because it’s a nickname for Washington State University.

And this jersey…
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…certainly isn’t the same color as the Jets’ legacy Titans jerseys.[/quote]

For comparison purposes…
Legacy Jets and Bears jerseys, to me anyway, look much darker than ’60 Titans.
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Also, I watched all or part of just about every AFL game in those early years…plus a lot of other games…and no way those ’60 Titans unis were as dark on b&w TV as teams like the Bears, Notre Dame, Michigan or Navy. Navy blue looks almost interchangeable with black. Royal is dark gray. For the ’61-’62 Titans, though, the blue got darker…but the gold became way lighter.

Come to think of it, I should have included a b&w photo of ’60 Giants. That would have shown the ’60 Titans were most likely wearing the same color blue.

Now the helmets were navy all three years…that old “darker helmet” bugaboo.

—Ricko

Okay, this is an inexact science, to be sure.

But here are ’60 Titans and same era Giants and Bears.

Look at points where the light is the same (my dopey yellow arrows).

It definitely could be concluded that the Bears jerseys are a distinctly darker color than what the Titans and Giants are wearing.

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(This is the best I can do at trying to recreate ID-ing colors on b&w TV. Actually the TV is more accurate, cuz you get to stare at them longer and in changing light, and make the comparisons based on that. Even in the b&w era, I don’t think anyone ever thought the Bears and Giants wore the same color blue jerseys.)

—Ricko

Ray Barrington:

You do have it sussed. And it’s this particular game:
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Dig that “attendance” figure at the end of the box score.

Does anyone have the history of uniforms in the Arizona Fall League documened? In photos of Stephen Stasburg’s professional debut last night for the Phoenix Desert Dogs, he is wearing the home white uniform of the Washington Nationals, along with a Desert Dogs cap (and his teammates are wearing the home whites of their respective parent teams, the O’s, A’s, Rays anmd Jays). Have the league teams always used the home and road uniforms of their major league affiliates in game action, or did the league at one point have home and road jerseys for its teams?

You guys get my Braves tweaks? I can send them again. Off to see Georgia Tech tonight, and their terrible unis.

REALLY like the Indians tweak! The logo with “C” and feather is a good one! Nice job Matt!

Ben Traxel:
Your O’s tweaks are right on. Be hard to get used to the “B” on the hat though. I miss some kind of ornithologically correct birdie.

Jordan’s blue & orange Astros, Dwayne’s Reds and Ben’s Rays and Marlins are the best of another good bunch.

Geoffrey – I would have given you the top spot if you did the Mariners in blue and neon green. ;)

[quote comment=”354808″]Ben Traxel:
Your O’s tweaks are right on. Be hard to get used to the “B” on the hat though. I miss some kind of ornithologically correct birdie.[/quote]

I liked those too, but I like the birdie on the hat.

[quote comment=”354788″][quote comment=”354786″][quote comment=”354782″]I’m just going to say that Sports Illustrated doesn’t truly “get it” either.

From the first page in their little look at the AFL uniforms:

[quote]The Buffalo Bills wore their original uniforms…[/quote]

So, a replica what was actually their third uniform is “original”? This is how bad information spreads. Good job SI.[/quote]

In that vein.
Couldn’t resist. Wanted to see how Jets/Titans and Titans/Oilers would look if they were accurate to 1960.
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—Ricko[/quote]

And here they are playing one another at the Polo Grounds in 1960.
You can clearly see the Oilers’ numbers and sock stripes match the darker (red) center stripe on the pants.
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—Ricko[/quote]

Were those plastic facemasks on the Titans? They remind me of the replica helmets we got as kids.

[quote comment=”354801″]Mizzou is a nickname for the University of Missouri, not the state. Just like you wouldn’t say the Seahawks are from Wazzu, because it’s a nickname for Washington State University.[/quote]

thanks for pointing that out…it didn’t look right when i wrote it and i was thinking of taking it out (the voices in my head told me to)…but alas, i didn’t

shoulda just said either “missouri” or “show me state”

my bad

and finally, what happens when you go to an adidas school, but you’d rather wear Jordans? Well, if you’re Marcus Jordan, what do you think?

I guess if the shoe is named after your dad you can wear it huh? Too bad Chuck Taylor’s kids/grandkids aren’t playing D-1 College basketball huh?

[quote comment=”354805″]Does anyone have the history of uniforms in the Arizona Fall League documened? In photos of Stephen Stasburg’s professional debut last night for the Phoenix Desert Dogs, he is wearing the home white uniform of the Washington Nationals, along with a Desert Dogs cap (and his teammates are wearing the home whites of their respective parent teams, the O’s, A’s, Rays anmd Jays). Have the league teams always used the home and road uniforms of their major league affiliates in game action, or did the league at one point have home and road jerseys for its teams?[/quote]

I haven’t seen a history, but link was a link in 1994, and link a Scottsdale Scorpion that same year.

The Cubs like to think that their link is classic, but it just misses the mark. The blue border around the logo is way too heavy and, while I actually like the link, as a sleeve patch, link.

link, though. I’d love to see them do this for the home unis. I could do without the NOB, but I think those are here to stay. Maybe add a red border to the numbers as a way of “modernizing” a throwback look, though…. maybe.

Bolton Wanderers’ Kevin Davies is now rocking a #50 blood jersey.

and finally, what happens when you go to an adidas school, but you’d rather wear Jordans? Well, if you’re Marcus Jordan, what do you think?

A baller who wears Malcolms? Sadly, I suspect he’ll be on the trash heap of ex-college players and no one will care what he wore. (Same thing happened to Buster Brown’s kid).

mizzou vs. oklahoma state for uni nomination this saturday

The University or the state?

i can hardly believe someone would even consider redoing both the olde english D and the yankee pinstripes. as far as i can see those two unis are the closest to sports uni perfection i have ever seen.

On vaca..flying up to Oregon in mere moments. Getting dangerously close to the U of O and all that Nike stuff. Wish me luck.

Looking at the link prompts this delightful bit of trivia: Northwestern has Kafka under center. (The Buffs qb situation would be improved if it were merely Kafkaesque.)

The setting sun Padres cap logo is bloody brilliant.

I love watching the Ivy League game on Vs every Saturday. This week it’s Brown vs Princeton. Brown is the only team I have ever seen that combines brown and red. They also throw silver in there just for fun.

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[quote comment=”354825″]I love watching the Ivy League game on Vs every Saturday. This week it’s Brown vs Princeton. Brown is the only team I have ever seen that combines brown and red. They also throw silver in there just for fun.

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I like the Brown design, even though the brown jerseys are just a bit dull compared to the Cleveland Browns.

On my cablebox:
Brown/Princeton – okay. Nice helmets on the Tigers and stripes up and down the sleeves, but they are sporting bumper sticker side panels and leotard pants/socks.
Badgers/Hawkeyes – Excellent uni matchup. Both dress like football teams and the contrast is perfect.
Buckeyes/Boilermakers – Sorry, but black monochrome is a deal breaker.
Northwestern/Mich State – not bad, not great.
Richmond/Maine – The Black Bears are wearing powder blue over black
Michigan/Del St. – A mismatch on the scoreboard (49-0 in 2nd qtr) and in uniforms. Del State’s white and red is a little too tricked up.
Louisville/UConn – just ugly.
Miss St/Middle Tenn – Blue monochrome for MTSU. The Bulldogs’ maroon stripeless pants and black socks don’t work for me.
Wake/Clemson – Tigers get back to basics orange over white, sorry they have the useless white pipingon the jersey. The classic double stripe on the pants is good. Wake’s black helmets and black pants look sharp, but again there are meandering thin stripes and they should wear more gold.
Charleston Southern/Gardner Webb – not pretty. GW in black from helmet to shoes. CSU looking St. Louis Ram-ish
St FrancisPA/Robt Morris – St. Francis Red Flash with sweet lightning bolt shoulder loops – not truncated! Robt Morris iw wearing what would be a great improvement on the current Buffalo Bills get-up in Navy and White. I love this uni matchup.

Sorry, that’s all that’s on right now…

[quote comment=”354826″][quote comment=”354825″]I love watching the Ivy League game on Vs every Saturday. This week it’s Brown vs Princeton. Brown is the only team I have ever seen that combines brown and red. They also throw silver in there just for fun.

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I like the Brown design, even though the brown jerseys are just a bit dull compared to the Cleveland Browns.

You forgot the best match-up on the field and the uni’s: Texas-Oklahoma

Sorry, that’s all that’s on right now…[/quote]

You forgot the best match-up on the field and the uni’s: Texas-Oklahoma

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I don’t know about the jersey being the primary color and the helmet stripes being only secondary and white. It reminds me a lot of Keannu Reeves’football team.

[quote]You forgot the best match-up on the field and the uni’s: Texas-Oklahoma[/quote]

texas really needs to lose the black socks, otherwise that’s fuckin PERFECT

too bad the game is so sloppy

[quote comment=”354829″][quote comment=”354825″]I love watching the Ivy League game on Vs every Saturday. This week it’s Brown vs Princeton. Brown is the only team I have ever seen that combines brown and red. They also throw silver in there just for fun.

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I don’t know about the jersey being the primary color and the helmet stripes being only secondary and white. It reminds me a lot of Keannu Reeves’football team.[/quote]

I don’t get the leaves on the logo. Anyone?

[quote comment=”354828″]You forgot the best match-up on the field and the uni’s: Texas-Oklahoma[/quote]
That one was a given. My mistake was in thinking they started later…

And the Texas-OU game is the only one where the sun is out.

[quote comment=”354831″][quote comment=”354829″][quote comment=”354825″]I love watching the Ivy League game on Vs every Saturday. This week it’s Brown vs Princeton. Brown is the only team I have ever seen that combines brown and red. They also throw silver in there just for fun.

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I don’t know about the jersey being the primary color and the helmet stripes being only secondary and white. It reminds me a lot of Keannu Reeves’football team.[/quote]

I don’t get the leaves on the logo. Anyone?[/quote]

um…perhaps those are IVY leaves…

[quote comment=”354834″][quote comment=”354831″][quote comment=”354829″][quote comment=”354825″]I love watching the Ivy League game on Vs every Saturday. This week it’s Brown vs Princeton. Brown is the only team I have ever seen that combines brown and red. They also throw silver in there just for fun.

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I don’t know about the jersey being the primary color and the helmet stripes being only secondary and white. It reminds me a lot of Keannu Reeves’football team.[/quote]

I don’t get the leaves on the logo. Anyone?[/quote]

um…perhaps those are link…[/quote]

Aaah, the genius that is Phil strikes again. We don’t know much about the Ivy League down here in SEC country. I just know I feel smarter watching the smart kids play.

It was also 30 years ago today that my Pirates last won a World Series.

We are fam-a-lee (sniff, sniff)

Phil, I’ll have my tracking over to you early this week.

Putting the Marlins in a combo of Carolina Blue, navy, and a dash of yellow is exactly what the Tampa Bay Rays wear now. Why would you want both Florida teams to be the same? I realize your ideas include changing TB too, but giving their boring colors to the Marlins isn’t the answer.

Teal may be a color of the 90s, but they link anymore. It’s merely a link on the white and link. While those new ideas above are creative and well done, I’ll always say that the current black-based trio is a perfect set and shouldn’t be changed at all. (And that includes the “Florida” name! Please keep it forever!)

[quote comment=”354830″][quote]You forgot the best match-up on the field and the uni’s: Texas-Oklahoma[/quote]

texas really needs to lose the black socks, otherwise that’s fuckin PERFECT

too bad the game is so sloppy[/quote]
The one white helmet that looks good to me.

That Louisville/Connecticut game has two unbelievably bad unis. There are always more big guys on the field than smurfs – take them into consideration, uniform designers.

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I don’t know about the jersey being the primary color and the helmet stripes being only secondary and white. It reminds me a lot of Keannu Reeves’football team.[/quote]

I don’t get the leaves on the logo. Anyone?[/quote]

um…perhaps those are link…[/quote]
Re: the Brown logo- That’s definitely ivy. Brown has a little inferiority complex and wants to remind us all that, “we may not be Princeton, Harvard, or Yale, but, yes, we are an Ivy League school!”

… In one of those moments where “you remember exactly where you were,” link (don’t you feel old now?) …

Oh, the memories. At 5:04 p.m. twenty years ago I was at my HS soccer game and remember being able to literally see the field rolling like the ocean (and the ball bouncing crazily) and the eucalyptus trees behind the goal swaying about 45 degrees side to side. We knew it was a big quake, but didn’t really know the full extent, so the game just kept going.

The most stunning moment was when some kid who had found a radio told us the “the Bay Bridge has collapsed!” It wasn’t until hours later that we learned it was only a small section of the span.

[quote comment=”354836″]It was also 30 years ago today that my Pirates last won a World Series.

We are fam-a-lee (sniff, sniff)

Phil, I’ll have my tracking over to you early this week.[/quote]
Oh great. And earlier this week was the 40th anniversary of the tragedy that was the 1969 World Series. I’m trying really hard to block these things out.

[quote comment=”354783″]Hey thanks for including my mets tweak. Gotta love Dwayne’s reds concepts. Especially The snow whites. It’s a thing of beauty.[/quote]

[quote comment=”354809″]Jordan’s blue & orange Astros, Dwayne’s Reds and Ben’s Rays and Marlins are the best of another good bunch.

Geoffrey – I would have given you the top spot if you did the Mariners in blue and neon green. ;)[/quote]

Thanks for the positive feedback!

Woohoo, HNIC! I don’t care how the season has played out so far, FTH GLG!

[quote comment=”354786″][quote comment=”354782″]I’m just going to say that Sports Illustrated doesn’t truly “get it” either.

From the first page in their little look at the AFL uniforms:

[quote]The Buffalo Bills wore their original uniforms…[/quote]

So, a replica what was actually their third uniform is “original”? This is how bad information spreads. Good job SI.[/quote]

In that vein.
Couldn’t resist. Wanted to see how Jets/Titans and Titans/Oilers would look if they were accurate to 1960.
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—Ricko[/quote]

Ricko, the classics obviously look much better, but what about the Collins’ captain patch? Gotta get rid of that for 1960’s accuracy…

[quote comment=”354838″][quote comment=”354830″][quote]You forgot the best match-up on the field and the uni’s: Texas-Oklahoma[/quote]

texas really needs to lose the black socks, otherwise that’s fuckin PERFECT

too bad the game is so sloppy[/quote]
The one white helmet that looks good to me.

That Louisville/Connecticut game has two unbelievably bad unis. There are always more big guys on the field than smurfs – take them into consideration, uniform designers.[/quote]

Definitely agree about Louisville and UConn. If UConn went blue jerseys on white pants, it would have been much better. The overcast skies make the blue look even worse

[quote] what about the Collins’ captain patch? Gotta get rid of that for ~~1960’s accuracy…~~ the good of the team[/quote]

(fixed)

I don’t get the leaves on the logo. Anyone?

um…perhaps those are IVY leaves…

That’s what wild bears use in the woods!

And those princeton unis suck big time.

Buckeyes/Boilermakers – Sorry, but black monochrome is a deal breaker.

The black on black crime that is Purdue would look much better if Ohio St was wearing red.

Northwestern/Mich State – not bad, not great.
Northwestern: that Mary Tyler Moore “N” is totally uninspired (c’mon, do somehting w/wildcats or whatever you’re called) and what’s with the purple wedge on the shoulders?

Dang it – I’m at work and watching the Texas/OU game so I don’t have DVR available here. With about 4 min or so left in the 1st quarter the refs were huddled having a discussion. With their backs to the camera, from left to right, were the field judge, the line judge, and the umpire…proving that the FLU is everywhere this season. Any chance that anyone out there that has it recorded and can go back to grab and post a screen shot of that, please?

The black on black crime that is Purdue would look much better if Ohio St was wearing red.

Same goes for UGA/Vandy

[quote comment=”354843″][quote comment=”354786″][quote comment=”354782″]I’m just going to say that Sports Illustrated doesn’t truly “get it” either.

From the first page in their little look at the AFL uniforms:

[quote]The Buffalo Bills wore their original uniforms…[/quote]

So, a replica what was actually their third uniform is “original”? This is how bad information spreads. Good job SI.[/quote]

In that vein.
Couldn’t resist. Wanted to see how Jets/Titans and Titans/Oilers would look if they were accurate to 1960.
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—Ricko[/quote]

Ricko, the classics obviously look much better, but what about the Collins’ captain patch? Gotta get rid of that for 1960’s accuracy…[/quote]

I just meant if they got the Legacy accurate to ’60. I could have taken off the Reebok logo, or the NFL logo, too…but somewhere you gotta be realistic. They’re gonna be there, might as well see the uni in that context.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”354849″]Northwestern/Mich State – not bad, not great.
Northwestern: that Mary Tyler Moore “N” is totally uninspired (c’mon, do somehting w/wildcats or whatever you’re called) and what’s with the purple wedge on the shoulders?[/quote]

Same as the cardinal wedge on USC, I imagine. Is a jersey style. A style not worn by many teams, but a style nevertheless.

—Ricko

no green jerseys for ND, rats.

Also, was Ohio State in white pants or is my color off?

Okay, I get it. For our terms here at UW, a “fix” can be a “total redesign” OR a “tweak”…depending on the artist’s opinion.

Cool. There certainly needs to be some delineation of the difference.

Cuz, y’know, if there was such an assignment at work I’d like to know if we had to keep the client’s logos and colors or we could start over completely. Staying inside existing parameters is part of the job.

Now we just have to figure out how to describe what consitutes a uni “tweak”. LOL

—Ricko

Looks colllllllllld in Happy Valley.
Gophers in all white. Have been for every road game so far.

Most Gophers in high white socks. Knit Knee Lines wearing the pro-tyle navy high socks.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”354857″]Looks colllllllllld in Happy Valley.
Gophers in all white. Have been for every road game so far.

Most Gophers in high white socks. Knit Knee Lines wearing the pro-tyle navy high socks.

—Ricko[/quote]
I believe they got at least 4 inches Thursday night.

Of course, that’s what folks in your parts refer to as an Indian Summer!

[quote comment=”354857″]Looks colllllllllld in Happy Valley.
Gophers in all white. Have been for every road game so far.

Most Gophers in high white socks. Knit Knee Lines wearing the pro-tyle navy high socks.

—Ricko[/quote]

was just about to comment on the game…gophers look good EXCEPT for the pencil stripes (which i could tolerate were it the only bumpersticker)…but no, they gotta add the … what the hell are those ‘stripes’ that start at the base of the knee and end at the mid thigh … but the all white, with the high white socks and white cleats…is a nice clean look — if they were to just TWEAK (that would be a tweak) the uni to make that a full-length maroon stripe, it would be sweet (not perfect, but pretty sweet)

Colo. State vs. TCU on Versus.

Nice pants, guys.

Only two major college football programs have never worn white shoes: Michigan and USC (Penn State did once in a Sugar Bowl).

In other words, these 49% white shoes are lookin’ weird on USC.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”354858″][quote comment=”354857″]Looks colllllllllld in Happy Valley.
Gophers in all white. Have been for every road game so far.

Most Gophers in high white socks. Knit Knee Lines wearing the pro-tyle navy high socks.

—Ricko[/quote]
I believe they got at least 4 inches Thursday night.

Of course, that’s what folks in your parts refer to as an Indian Summer![/quote]

Damn right. Green grass here. Sunshine. Only about 47 degrees, a bit colder than usual, but still a nice day.

Of course, one of the biggest blizzards ever in Twin Cities was Halloween ’91…so we’re always wary. And ready.

Nuthin’ like a snow day off work, too. Doesn’t happen often, but…Ahhhh, yes, like being a kid again.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”354860″]Colo. State vs. TCU on Versus.

Nice pants, guys.[/quote]

A candidate for worst matchup.

[quote comment=”354858″][quote comment=”354857″]Looks colllllllllld in Happy Valley.
Gophers in all white. Have been for every road game so far.

Most Gophers in high white socks. Knit Knee Lines wearing the pro-tyle navy high socks.

—Ricko[/quote]
I believe they got at least 4 inches Thursday night.

Of course, that’s what folks in your parts refer to as an Indian Summer![/quote]

Forgot to say, “Yeah, for Minnesotans, four inches is nuthin’.”

—Ricko

Same as the cardinal wedge on USC, I imagine. Is a jersey style. A style not worn by many teams, but a style nevertheless.

Guess it just looks better to me in cardinal than purple. ….don’t think I’m developing an anti-purple bias…..

[quote comment=”354860″]Colo. State vs. TCU on Versus.

Nice pants, guys.[/quote]
Whoa… hope my Ravens don’t get any ideas from the TCU Horny Toads.

[quote comment=”354864″][quote comment=”354858″][quote comment=”354857″]Looks colllllllllld in Happy Valley.
Gophers in all white. Have been for every road game so far.

Most Gophers in high white socks. Knit Knee Lines wearing the pro-tyle navy high socks.

—Ricko[/quote]
I believe they got at least 4 inches Thursday night.

Of course, that’s what folks in your parts refer to as an Indian Summer![/quote]

Forgot to say, “Yeah, for Minnesotans, four inches is nuthin’.”

—Ricko[/quote]
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[quote comment=”354863″][quote comment=”354860″]Colo. State vs. TCU on Versus.

Nice pants, guys.[/quote]

A candidate for worst matchup.[/quote]

someone needs to esplain to the horny toads that black over purple is NEVER a good look … it’s almost as bad as purple over black

shiny pants need stripes…i don’t so much mind the rams look, (love that hunter green)…but damn…get rid of that sheen or put on some kind of stripage (that goes for both teams, although the frogs should do to those pants what the 61 broncos did to their socks)

[quote comment=”354865″]Same as the cardinal wedge on USC, I imagine. Is a jersey style. A style not worn by many teams, but a style nevertheless.

Guess it just looks better to me in cardinal than purple. ….don’t think I’m developing an anti-purple bias…..[/quote]

I give props to NW for sticking to purple and white, since they’re actually their school colors an’ everything. Especially since they had a period (in fact, I believe they were among the first) to go BFBS. Almost anything in only purple and white is better than that. Some might say dull, but least is true to school colors.

BTW, howcum TOSU never gets shit for the BFBS on their football unis? Buckeys’ve probably been doing it longer than anyone. Well, there, I probably answered my own question.

Or is it that we still aren’t allowed to critique Woody Hayes?

—Ricko

[quote comment=”354867″][quote comment=”354864″][quote comment=”354858″][quote comment=”354857″]Looks colllllllllld in Happy Valley.
Gophers in all white. Have been for every road game so far.

Most Gophers in high white socks. Knit Knee Lines wearing the pro-tyle navy high socks.

—Ricko[/quote]
I believe they got at least 4 inches Thursday night.

Of course, that’s what folks in your parts refer to as an Indian Summer![/quote]

Forgot to say, “Yeah, for Minnesotans, four inches is nuthin’.”

—Ricko[/quote]
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Oh, my, what she said about her honeymon.
Church ladies everywhere were aghast.
And probably jealous.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”354800″][quote comment=”354798″]
Nope, Oilers wore red numbers and red stripes on high socks the entire first season.
In fact, they did in ’61, too. Difference was there was no longer a powder edge on either the sock stripes or numbers (note the numbers are no longer the “arabic” style; that was a one-year thing)…
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—Ricko[/quote]

Well bloody dammit, we need a new, accurate uniform history site.[/quote]

Trust me, we are HARD at work on it.

Know what, though, this is still maybe the best looking Ravens uni…
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Better gothic logo, striped pants, white high striped socks. Is it a great uni? Probably not, but it’s about as well as you can execute that concept(staying inside the paramaters of color scheme and tone of the nickame, that is).

—Ricko

[quote comment=”354872″]Know what, though, this is still maybe the best looking Ravens uni…
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—Ricko[/quote]

i’ll give you that the original helmet was better (but we know they can’t have that), but im sorry…purple over black (much like when the iggles went black over green) just is NOT a good look…

you wanna mix black & purple on the helmet (cuz that is sorta the color of an actual raven), fine

but don’t mix the black with another similar, solid color — may as well be monochrome

[quote comment=”354852″][quote comment=”354843″][quote comment=”354786″][quote comment=”354782″]I’m just going to say that Sports Illustrated doesn’t truly “get it” either.

From the first page in their little look at the AFL uniforms:

[quote]The Buffalo Bills wore their original uniforms…[/quote]

So, a replica what was actually their third uniform is “original”? This is how bad information spreads. Good job SI.[/quote]

In that vein.
Couldn’t resist. Wanted to see how Jets/Titans and Titans/Oilers would look if they were accurate to 1960.
link
link

—Ricko[/quote]

Ricko, the classics obviously look much better, but what about the Collins’ captain patch? Gotta get rid of that for 1960’s accuracy…[/quote]

—Ricko[/quote]

Damn valid point my friend, damn valid.

(and good call to LI Phil for his earlier comment)

I just want to see some other opinions on this issue, probably been discussed before but, what are the feelings on solid color football uniforms? I think it looks terrible, especially white on white like Minnesota and Arkansas are doing today. I understand having to wear white tops on the road, awesome look IMO, but most teams have three colors and should use a white and dark top and the third color as their pants color. What does everyone think? Oh, and no alts.

[quote comment=”354875″]I just want to see some other opinions on this issue, probably been discussed before but, what are the feelings on solid color football uniforms? I think it looks terrible, especially white on white like Minnesota and Arkansas are doing today. I understand having to wear white tops on the road, awesome look IMO, but most teams have three colors and should use a white and dark top and the third color as their pants color. What does everyone think? Oh, and no alts.[/quote]

one of the gridiron contests i’m getting today is ecu/rice. ecu totally purple, white on rice. not good. However, and I know i’m in a minority here, i do like penn state in the all-whites.

Apostrophe police here; in “the London Olympics of 2012 has unveiled it’s logos” there should not be an apostrophe in “its.”

[quote comment=”354854″]no green jerseys for ND, rats.

Also, was Ohio State in white pants or is my color off?[/quote]
I’ll be damned if they didn’t look white on TV, but link.

Disliking monochrome colors is valid—and I’m not big fan of them—because they are, for lack of a better label—a fashion choice.

White on white, on the other hand, is part of the game. Has been for the entirety of the modern (TV) era…because it owes to the rules of the game, NOT to a fashion choice.

When white jerseys were mandated it effectively doubled every team’s jersey budget. I doubt anyone considered making different road PANTS a requirement. Had they, it would have been shouted down as a totally unecessary doubling of eveyone’s pants budget, too. Remember, the money in football wasn’t CLOSE to what it is today.

NFL teams (and I’ll talk only NFL for now), for whatever reason, opted to wear the same pants home and road. Only a very few popped for extra colored road pants, such as the Chicago Cardinals and, very briefly, the Bears. Most who wore different road pants actually went with white, like Redskins and Giants, for periods in the ’50s).

In the TV era, white jerseys and white pants have been the regular road uniform at different times, and in some cases for decades or more, for the…Steelers, 49ers, Rams, Falcons, Giants, Patriots, Jets, Dolphins, Redskins, Eagles, Saints, Ravens, Chargers, Oilers-Titans, Bills, Chiefs, Raiders, Broncos, Bears, Packers (yes, Packers), Vikings, Bengals, Browns, Cardinals, Colts, Jaguars, Bucs, Cowboys and Panthers.

I won’t even begin to list the colleges.

White-over-white exists because of the rules. Hard to fault a team on that basis. Can’t say that about monochrome color.

—Ricko

Is it just me or does Nebraska’s stripes on their sleeves look off white? Sorry no screen shots.

Anyone else shocked by how big the “SCHUTT” is on the back of USC’s helmets? I admitedly haven’t seen them play previously this year. To me, it looks more like an ad than a label.

[quote comment=”354877″]Apostrophe police here; in “the London Olympics of 2012 has unveiled it’s logos” there should not be an apostrophe in “its.”[/quote]

“Book ’em, Danno”.

Hokies are in old school jerseys and pants against the Yellow Jackets in bumper-sticker specials.

[quote comment=”354883″]Hokies are in old school jerseys and pants against the Yellow Jackets in bumper-sticker specials.[/quote]

Oh, man, but for “truncation”…

Relevant to nothing we’ve been discussing today, but…
Yikes, look how blue the Cowboys’ pants USED to be…
link

—Ricko

[quote comment=”354884″][quote comment=”354883″]Hokies are in old school jerseys and pants against the Yellow Jackets in bumper-sticker specials.[/quote]

Oh, man, but for “truncation”…[/quote]

Yeah. After seeing some smaller lesser known college teams with full loops today, it’s frustrating that the big schools and NFL teams don’t follow suit. If it’s a manufacturer thing, then that tells me that Nike or adidas are more concerned with their patented cuts and styles then with making teams look good.

[quote comment=”354885″]Relevant to nothing we’ve been discussing today, but…
Yikes, look how blue the Cowboys’ pants USED to be…
link

—Ricko[/quote]
My all-time favorite from NFL films is Super Bowl V – the blunder bowl won by the Colts 16-13. It was a great brutally physical game as presented on film. Just like your linked pic, the Cowboys pants were just a few shades lighter than their royal jerseys.

Ricko – do you recall the jersey protocol for the Super Bowl back then? I think it was “Home Team wears dark”, not “Home Team choice”, right? So Dallas and Baltimore both ended up wearing road unis.

[quote comment=”354887″][quote comment=”354885″]Relevant to nothing we’ve been discussing today, but…
Yikes, look how blue the Cowboys’ pants USED to be…
link

Yes, at first was home team wears dark, as evidenced by SB V, where the Cowboys were the home team, and certainly would have worn white had they been given their choice.

Don’t recall when it changed to home team choice, but you can bet that somehow, some way, the Cowboys losing that game had something to do with it.

—Ricko

Thanks for including my uni concept!

Also: PLEASE no Yankees/Dodgers WS. I don’t think the world could take such needless hype from FOX. GO PHILLIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[quote comment=”354887″][quote comment=”354885″]Relevant to nothing we’ve been discussing today, but…
Yikes, look how blue the Cowboys’ pants USED to be…
link

Is it ironic that the first Superbowl after the merger didn’t feature any of the AFL teams?

All outstanding efforts but Ben Traxel really rocked the house – especially love the Brewers treatment!

[quote comment=”354890″][quote comment=”354887″][quote comment=”354885″]Relevant to nothing we’ve been discussing today, but…
Yikes, look how blue the Cowboys’ pants USED to be…
link

Is it ironic that the first Superbowl after the merger didn’t feature any of the AFL teams?[/quote]

Well, only one spot COULD be an AFL team.
And it changed real quick after that.
Fact remains, though, those four Super Bowls before interleague play were split, two wins each.

An interesting but overlooked quirk of 1969: The Vikings, who went on to lose that fourth Super Bowl, scored more than 50 points three times during the regular season…and all came against the three teams that would be moving to the new “AFC” the next year: Baltimore, Cleveland and Pittsburgh.

Which just goes to show you, some things mean absolutely nothing. LOL

—Ricko

[quote comment=”354892″][quote comment=”354890″][quote comment=”354887″][quote comment=”354885″]Relevant to nothing we’ve been discussing today, but…
Yikes, look how blue the Cowboys’ pants USED to be…
link

Is it ironic that the first Superbowl after the merger didn’t feature any of the AFL teams?[/quote]

Well, only one spot COULD be an AFL team.
And it changed real quick after that.
Fact remains, though, those four Super Bowls before interleague play were split, two wins each.

Which just goes to show you, some things mean absolutely nothing. LOL

—Ricko[/quote]
As a Colts fan, I remember Joe Kapp’s 7 TD passes in that early season game. Our defense wascoming off a dominant 1968 season that included a playoff victory over the up and coming Vikes. The 1969 Colts were just 8-5-1 and Shula left us for Miami. It’s still hard to believe the Colts won the Super Bowl a season later, since hindsight makes it clear that they were a team on a fast decline. Meanwhile the Vikes looked poised to capture a couple Lombardi Trophies…

[quote comment=”354869″][quote comment=”354865″]Same as the cardinal wedge on USC, I imagine. Is a jersey style. A style not worn by many teams, but a style nevertheless.

Guess it just looks better to me in cardinal than purple. ….don’t think I’m developing an anti-purple bias…..[/quote]

BTW, howcum TOSU never gets shit for the BFBS on their football unis? Buckeys’ve probably been doing it longer than anyone. Well, there, I probably answered my own question.

Or is it that we still aren’t allowed to critique Woody Hayes?

—Ricko[/quote]

So there’s some unwritten rule I’ve been breaking all these years? Ah well, too late to stop now. Woody and Jack Tatum are the two biggest reasons I don’t like the Buckeyes. Never was a big fan of the unis either. Go Blue!

[quote comment=”354876″]I know i’m in a minority here, i do like penn state in the all-whites.[/quote]
Minority? Is there a big outcry for the Lions to wear blue pants on the road? I know there are those (me included) who would like to see some striping on the pants, but I don’t recall seeing too many folks calling for dark trousers.

Anybody catch Brent Musberger’s outfit today? Brown jacket, bright pink shirt, and yellow tie with black squares.

I imagine they have rodeo events at the Texas State Fair. Maybe he moonlights as a rodeo clown like Junior Seau.

[quote comment=”354894″][quote comment=”354869″][quote comment=”354865″]Same as the cardinal wedge on USC, I imagine. Is a jersey style. A style not worn by many teams, but a style nevertheless.

Guess it just looks better to me in cardinal than purple. ….don’t think I’m developing an anti-purple bias…..[/quote]

BTW, howcum TOSU never gets shit for the BFBS on their football unis? Buckeys’ve probably been doing it longer than anyone. Well, there, I probably answered my own question.

Or is it that we still aren’t allowed to critique Woody Hayes?

—Ricko[/quote]

The black on the Buckeyes’ classic jersey stripes, pants stripes and helmet stripes was about 3 or 4 decades before BFBS, and in my opinion was a real good treatment for team colors of scarlet and gray. Of course I can’t defend the black TV numbers that popped up out of nowhwere and then went back to white. That was just bizarre. I don’t have a dog in the UM/OSU fight, but I sure like the contrast in the school colors. Rivalries like Army/Navy and Oklahoma/Nebraska are not as interesting to a Uniwatcher.

Texas/Oklahoma was a good looking game.
As for St, Francis of the Northeast Conference, they are known to change their uniforms almost EVERY season.

link

My junior year, they wore imitation 49ers unis!

I only like white on white with a lighter helmet (silver, gold, yellow, white, light blue). For darker helmets I like colored pants…but that’s just me.

[quote comment=”354895″][quote comment=”354876″]I know i’m in a minority here, i do like penn state in the all-whites.[/quote]
Minority? Is there a big outcry for the Lions to wear blue pants on the road? I know there are those (me included) who would like to see some striping on the pants, but I don’t recall seeing too many folks calling for dark trousers.[/quote]

I like Penn State’s all white, too. And, as I mentioned earlier, they can say “We’re gonna wear only white pants” and that’s their choice. It’s the RULES that make them wear a white jersey with them. They’re under no obligation to adjust beyond changing the jersey.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”354897″][quote comment=”354894″][quote comment=”354869″][quote comment=”354865″]Same as the cardinal wedge on USC, I imagine. Is a jersey style. A style not worn by many teams, but a style nevertheless.

Guess it just looks better to me in cardinal than purple. ….don’t think I’m developing an anti-purple bias…..[/quote]

BTW, howcum TOSU never gets shit for the BFBS on their football unis? Buckeys’ve probably been doing it longer than anyone. Well, there, I probably answered my own question.

Or is it that we still aren’t allowed to critique Woody Hayes?

—Ricko[/quote]

BFBS?

it’s on there as an accent…they’re not sporting black jerseys out of nowhere…plus, like our accountant friend said, they had them long before there was such thing as BFBS..

for “BFBS” in its truest sense, see louisville, mets, royals, reds, blue jays, teh U, etc.

that’s BFBS

and although they’re technically team colors…i’d say the monochrome black of the ravens, the saints and the falcons qualifies as well

[quote comment=”354898″]Texas/Oklahoma was a good looking game.
As for St, Francis of the Northeast Conference, they are known to change their uniforms almost EVERY season.

link

My junior year, they wore imitation 49ers unis![/quote]
The whites they wore today were winners. Maybe they’ll stick with them a season or two.

oh…add oregon and usc (basketball)…plus im sure there are about 3 dozen other BFBS teams out there

[quote comment=”354903″]oh…add oregon and usc (basketball)…plus im sure there are about 3 dozen other BFBS teams out there[/quote]link.

[quote comment=”354904″][quote comment=”354903″]oh…add oregon and usc (basketball)…plus im sure there are about 3 dozen other BFBS teams out there[/quote]link.[/quote]
Yeah – those Dukies are possibly the worst offenders. I would nominate Florida State football as well.

[quote comment=”354905″][quote comment=”354904″][quote comment=”354903″]oh…add oregon and usc (basketball)…plus im sure there are about 3 dozen other BFBS teams out there[/quote]link.[/quote]
Yeah – those Dukies are possibly the worst offenders. I would nominate Florida State football as well.[/quote]

you mean “unconquered”?

that’s green

[quote comment=”354902″][quote comment=”354898″]Texas/Oklahoma was a good looking game.
As for St, Francis of the Northeast Conference, they are known to change their uniforms almost EVERY season.

link

My junior year, they wore imitation 49ers unis![/quote]
The whites they wore today were winners. Maybe they’ll stick with them a season or two.[/quote]

link

Much nicer than anything that I can remember!

Sacred Heart, also of the NEC has full stripes and SLEEVES!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bryant looks like Purdue/Vandy/Army to me…blah

FDU=gross

I’m biased but Wagner’s home unis are pretty nice:

link

btw…before anyone tells me “unconquered” is black, i KNOW that…it’s an old joke

but compare how green it looks to when it’s surrounded by a black border

/just sayin

Sacred Heart:
link

Bryant:
link

Okay, I’ll concede that as we define BFBS Ohio State doesn’t quality.

In the context of the OSU world, though, they are BFBS, because neither their baseketball, hockey nor baseball team uses black as prominently as the football team…if at all.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”354901″]
for “BFBS” in its truest sense, see louisville, mets, royals, reds, blue jays, teh U, etc.

[quote comment=”354908″]btw…before anyone tells me “unconquered” is black, i KNOW that…it’s an old joke

but compare how green it looks to when it’s surrounded by a link

/just sayin[/quote]
Funny… I almost went to FSU. When I was down there for orientation, I was with my cousin (who was a student there) and I’m looking at all these brochures and whatnot. There was one that said “Garnet, Gold and Green” on the cover.

I said to him “I thought the colors are just garnet and gold.” He looks at it, looks back at me and says “That’s about financial aid, dipshit.”

my tag was hangin out there.

[quote comment=”354907″][quote comment=”354902″][quote comment=”354898″]Texas/Oklahoma was a good looking game.
As for St, Francis of the Northeast Conference, they are known to change their uniforms almost EVERY season.

link

My junior year, they wore imitation 49ers unis![/quote]
The whites they wore today were winners. Maybe they’ll stick with them a season or two.[/quote]

link

Much nicer than anything that I can remember!

Sacred Heart, also of the NEC has full stripes and SLEEVES!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bryant looks like Purdue/Vandy/Army to me…blah

FDU=gross

I’m biased but Wagner’s home unis are pretty nice:

link

Wagner? Oh, yeah, when my daughter was on the college dance team they finished pretty high in the nationals at Disney World three years ago. Wagner placed just a bit ahead of them. Only team that had a male dancer. Yeah, Wagner. I remember them.

—Ricko

link. Also looks mighty crappy.

[quote comment=”354909″]Sacred Heart:
link

Bryant:
link
Those Sacred Heart sleeves make me want to ask – how long has it been since Northwestern had Northwestern stripes?? I think for schools with just one school color, like NW or Mich St – those stripes are a good option..

[quote comment=”354918″][quote comment=”354909″]Sacred Heart:
link

ask…and ye shall receive

hail to purple!

Whoa. It’s 10 pm and I’m just now getting to uniwatch today and – bam! Phil’s posted my stuff. Hey, thanks Phil! Been to a kiddie soccer game, a 3rd grade flag f.b. game, and a 4th grade tackle f.b. game today then the wife dragged me to a concert tonight (Neil E. Boyd was very good). I’m tired by thrilled that my time apparently has been appreciated. I’ll have another batch at some point, then get on to the NFL. Just a few comments on the four tweeks (or tweaks?) I didn’t comment on above:

A’s – Another team vests are acceptable, Liked the old english style for the grays, and how about a powder green for the alt? Not bad.

Diamondbacks – I don’t mind purple (hey, I’m a Kansas St. alum, okay?). The cream and the sandy colors of the regulars are a play off the desert. I dumped the snake D as snakes just don’t bend that way and I despise a hyphenated name (like when they print D-BACKS or K-STATE). For some reason I added a white belt and thought it worked. We’ll see in the morning.

Marlins – That is navy, not black. Dump the black in a tropical climate. Stole the socks stripe idea from a Japanese pic here a while back.

Rangers – It is what it is.

Goodnight.

[quote comment=”354919″][quote comment=”354918″][quote comment=”354909″]Sacred Heart:
link

ask…link

hail to purple![/quote]
Thanks fill. You saved me from having to go to

Interesting -the last time they used the classic stripes, they botched it with GFNFGR – Gray for no f-in good reason.

[quote comment=”354911″][quote comment=”354901″]
for “BFBS” in its truest sense, see louisville, mets, royals, reds, blue jays, teh U, etc.

[/quote]
Louisville basketball had a real good look when they wore home whites with predominantly black trim with red outlines on the names and numbers – while wearing red on the road. This started before the Darryl Griffith and Doctors of Dunk era and held pretty steady throughout most of the Denny Crum years. So black has been as much a part of their color scheme as the red. But I haven’t liked any of their football unis since they became a team of note – nor do I like the Pitino Cardinals’ unis at all. Actually, I believe Louisville was guilty of YFTHOI – yellow for the hell of it. Not a school color.[/quote]
Wait. Aren’t black and red Louisville’s colors? Doesn’t that pretty much exclude them from the BFBS pool? Or is it just a team called “Cardinals” wearing predominantly black that gets them grouped in there?

[quote comment=”354922″][quote comment=”354911″][quote comment=”354901″]
for “BFBS” in its truest sense, see louisville, mets, royals, reds, blue jays, teh U, etc.

[quote comment=”354920″]Whoa. It’s 10 pm and I’m just now getting to uniwatch today and – bam! Phil’s posted my stuff. Hey, thanks Phil! Been to a kiddie soccer game, a 3rd grade flag f.b. game, and a 4th grade tackle f.b. game today then the wife dragged me to a concert tonight (Neil E. Boyd was very good). I’m tired by thrilled that my time apparently has been appreciated. I’ll have another batch at some point, then get on to the NFL. Just a few comments on the four tweeks (or tweaks?) I didn’t comment on above:

A’s – Another team vests are acceptable, Liked the old english style for the grays, and how about a powder green for the alt? Not bad.

Marlins – That is navy, not black. Dump the black in a tropical climate. Stole the socks stripe idea from a Japanese pic here a while back.

Rangers – It is what it is.

Goodnight.[/quote]
Great work Traxel. Big thumbs up on the Marlins. And the A’s vests and road grays. As for the “powder green” – that is some concept. Yup that is what the notion of a concept is all about. Like the Chisox powder reds from a while back. yeah.

[quote]Aren’t black and red Louisville’s colors? Doesn’t that pretty much exclude them from the BFBS pool? Or is it just a team called “Cardinals” wearing predominantly black that gets them grouped in there?[/quote]

when a team is “apparently” named for a color, i invoke the BFBS line

the cincy reds are the most obvious example

the royals, which are not actually named for a color but the american royal livestock thingy…irk me as well

as do all “cardinals” — technically black is a color on the bird, as is yellow

but cardinal red is … well… RED

but, with louisville, i shall stand corrected

I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m really damn glad that “Friday Night Lights” is coming back for another season.

I’m also hoping that the East Dillon Lions have better unis than the Dillon Panthers. Doubt it, though, unless Under Armour is no longer on board.

Clear Eyes
Full Hearts
Can’t Lose

FUCK

Oh yeah, must say I really liked the following of the other submissions:
Astros Navy and Sunset Orange
Tigers logo (that old Tiger looked googly eyed)
Reds creamers with name under number (though ROSE would look better than CONCEPCION)
Mariners trident

Hey look, Yanks have bases loaded…

…not any more.

Bobby Abreu. Mr. Oct-no-ber.

Anyone with a little leaguer can point to Aybar to explain what happens when you don’t use your head in the field.

I guess we can call that a teachable moment.

[quote comment=”354931″]Anyone with a little leaguer can point to Aybar to explain what happens when you don’t use your head in the field.

I guess we can call that a teachable moment.[/quote]

Sorry. Izturis, not Aybar

[quote comment=\”354869\”]

Or is it that we still aren\’t allowed to critique Woody Hayes?

—Ricko[/quote]

It’s not that we’re not allowed–it’s that we’re afraid of getting punched in the throat.

Yankee tweak: Adidas would probably only tweak three of the stripes on each side. (tweaks do not apply to minor league uni of Jordan’s kid)

the center helmet stripe on Chris Johnson’s Oilers helmet has begun to peel in the back and is now sticking up like a gelled up rat-tail. Never seen that before. Would love to get a screenshot…

Phil, your whole post was full of apostrophe catastrophes.

[quote comment=”354882″][quote comment=”354877″]Apostrophe police here; in “the London Olympics of 2012 has unveiled it’s logos” there should not be an apostrophe in “its.”[/quote]

“Book ’em, Danno”.[/quote]

Hmm, maybe the London Olympics has unveiled that it is logos. heh heh

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