A week or so ago we had some chatter about this player wearing a bib. I was unfamiliar with the phenomenon, but as Al Cummings explained in the comments, “The bibs were used by the punting and punt return teams of that time so players with numbers that didn’t conform to the position could be eligible. (Eligibility standards for position numbers were much stricter around 1966). I remember UCLA utilizing snap-on numbers for this purpose.” Other commenters confirmed that it was special teams thing.
Now reader Quint Lange found another example of a bib-clad player — but not on special teams. While watching a rebroadcast of the 1982 Grey Cup (Toronto Argonauts vs. Edmonton Eskimos), he noticed an Edmonton player at the left end of the line who appears to have been bibbified during a running play. After the play’s conclusion, Mr. Bib walked away from the pile and then began taking off the bib right there on the field, revealing a different uni number.
One of his teammates then carried the bib off the field, while the original player rejoined the huddle for the next play.
Was this a common practice for the CFL? Why didn’t the NFL ever go for this? Actually, there were bibs in the NFL — sort of. As some readers may recall, last winter we came up with a shot of Donny Anderson wearing a Packers dickey that was very bib-ish. Not quite the same thing, but definitely in the same family.
Untucked update: You people are so damn great. The virtual ink on yesterday’s entry had barely dried when readers started coming up with additional examples of untucked basketball uniforms. On the men’s side, we’ve got mid-’70s Arizona State and late-’70s West Virginia (here’s an additional shot), plus the 1958 Thomas Jefferson High squad in Port Arthur, Texas, took things a step further by going untucked and sleeved (here’s another shot of them, this time against an untucked — but sleeveless — opponent).
And for women’s hoops, there’s UNC in 1994, South Carolina in 1982-83, and Clemson in 1982-83, and Louisiana Tech in the 1980s (lots of examples, several of which show the Lady Techsters playing against untucked opponents who I can’t identify, here). Plus at the high school level we’ve got two schools from Georgia: Berrien High, 1980-81 and Atkinson County, 1996-97.
Big thanks to everyone who contributed, including Jim McCue, Sam Allison, Jeremy Brahm, Dave Eichblatt, Adrian (who didn’t give his or her last name), and pseudonymous Silver Salmon.
Raffle Results: The winner of the SoccerPro.com raffle is Greg Lamm. As for all the rest of you, I’ll have another raffle to announce either tomorrow or Monday.
DIY MVPs: Our two most accomplished DIY jersey sewers, Bryan Justman and Nick Tavares, have joined forces and created a Facebook group for people who want to learn more about making their own jerseys. Should be a good forum for sharing feedback, pointers, photos, etc. Membership is open to all, so all current and aspiring seamstresses and tailors should sign up, pronto.
Uni Watch News Ticker: These are the most padded knee pads I’ve ever seen in a basketball photo (with thanks to Randy Miller). ”¦ The Flames have added a memorial helmet decal, in memory of owner Daryl (Doc) Seama. Details here (with thanks to Gibby Davis). ”¦ Here’s a doozy: members of the Houston Oilers playing basketball. “Love those uniforms!” says Glenn Stern, who found the photo on a friend’s Facebook album. “I think the Cowboys did this kind of thing in the off season too, as late as the mid-’90s.” Glenn also sent along a link to this Oilers fight song, which refers to Dan Pastorini as a “fancy-passin’ dago.” ”¦ It’s one thing to get a tattoo of your favorite team’s logo, but how about a logo plus pinstripes? Steve Samuels recently took that shot on a NYC subway. He also got this screen shot of Mike Modano in a post-game interview. “His undershirt has these little rubber dots all over it,” says Steve. “The reporter actually mentioned them and Mike said they help keep his elbow and shoulder pads from sliding around under the sweater.” ”¦ Sleeve patch news from Dave Abbuhl, who writes: “Dennis Lehman, Cleveland Indians VP, announced to a group of season ticket holders (I’m one and was there) that the Indians will wear a uniform patch this season in honor of deceased former player and broadcaster Herb Score.” ”¦ Awesome display of old cereal box designs here with thanks to Chad Todd). ”¦ Very nice flocked helmet on Duke Snider (with thanks to Cliff Corcoran). ”¦ The Rays have officially unveiled the alternate jersey that everyone already knew about. ”¦ According to this story, the sunburst on this jersey’s insignia is 40% larger than the one on the home and road jerseys, so maybe we should call it the supernova design. Or maybe we should just say, “Navy-on-navy is really horseshit idea” and leave it at that. ”¦ Here’s a really nice view of Indiana State’s Bird-era throwbacks (with thanks to Mike Williams). ”¦ Jack Bulger was watching the Georgia Tech game last night and noticed that Nick Foreman’s NOB lettering is smaller than that of his teammates. ”¦ “Soccer players are known for swapping jerseys after the game in a show of respect and sportsmanship,” says Greg Riffenburgh, “but I’ve never seen it done at halftime. Bet it gives the equipment managers a headache.” ”¦ You know how Terry Proctor is always talking about his old days working for Ruby’s Sporting Goods? Here’s a great old Rochester Amerks jersey with a Ruby’s label. ”¦ Lots of good stuff in today’s New York Times, including articles on the last Cardinals team to win an NFL championship, the 1948 championship game, which was played in a blizzard, and the Steagles, plus Tyler Kepner’s take on that crummy new Mets patch. … Speaking of which, would it have been so hard for the Mets to have done something like this? Those were designed by David Dolinsky. ”¦ Jeremy Brahm reports that the reigning fashion plate of the table tennis world, Naomi Yotsumoto, is at it again. Her theme for her outfits this year is “human emotions” — this one is pleasure, and this one is anger. ”¦ Also from Jeremy: If you’re afraid to bunt because you’re worried about your top hand getting hit by the pitch, Asics has come up with a hand guard. Might cut down on the element of surprise just slightly, though. ”¦ Still more from Jeremy: Under Armour has just reached an agreement to outfit Omiya Ardija — a soccer team in the J-League — with their uniforms. ”¦ Be seeing you, Number Six — RIP.
Who is #6 referencing?
From the link, the only throwbacks they mention are:
“The 2009 season will feature the celebration of two of the club’s five World Series Championship teams. The first is on Sunday, June 14 at 1:35 p.m., when the Pirates and Tigers Turn-Back-The-Clock at PNC Park to celebrate the 100th Anniversary of the 1909 World Series matchup that saw the Pirates defeat the Tigers for their first World Series Championship. In honor of this anniversary, both teams will wear their 1909 uniforms as the Pirates replicate the turn of the century ballpark in-game experience.”
There’s nothing about throwing back for either the celebration of 1979 or the Negro League tribute, although that doesn’t necessarily mean they won’t.
[quote comment=”310112″]Who is #6 referencing?[/quote]
i believe paul is referring to this
I really wish the rays would use the baby blue bill on their alternate caps like they do on their road BPs.
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I love that look, and it’s much better than the solid navy, especially in a division that already has 2 teams with solid navy caps.
I went to an Oilers hoops game when I was a kid. They played a local crew (police and firemen, I believe) for charity. They auctioned off an autographed basketball at halftime, which my extremely generous father submitted the winning bid for. I still have that ball today. Some of the guys who played in the game and signed the ball are Carl Mauck (#14 in the photo), Robert “Dr. Doom” Brazile and Billy “White Shoes” Johnson.
I really need to brush up on my Japanese.
Paul, I have heard somewhere that MLB teams are not allowed to have other sponsors on their uniforms aside from Majestic (or Rawlings, or whatever). This is why the Cardinals patch for the first season at New Busch just reads “Inaugural Season”.
So while it would make sense for the Mets to have an “Inaugural Season/Citi Field” patch, they are not allowed to mention Citi on the uniforms, and thus a generic patch is all they can use.
Of course, it would have looked much better if any sort of srchitectural element from the stadium was used in the patch, rather than the Domino’s Pizza-looking one.
But this is the Mets.
From the Pirates’ announcement of their promotional schedule, the only throwbacks they mention…
Excellent…one step closer to link…
Carry-over from yesterday:
[quote comment=”310101″][quote comment=”310099″]When they started having analysts “between the benches” for hockey telecasts, it was a good addition to the broadcasts. It appears to have run its course, though. During the first period of tonight’s Capitals/Penguins game, FSN Pittsburgh analyst Bob Errey gave a fascinating report on how Sidney Crosby skips the second eyelet when he laces up his skates.[/quote]
Details, please. Seriously![/quote]
Sidney Crosby had to leave the ice during the first period. When he returned from the locker room, his right skate was still untied as he crossed the ice back to the bench. FSN got a shot of him a minute later with his right leg up on the boards, tying his laces. Reporter Bob Errey described how Crosby prefers the feel of the boot when he does not use the second row of eyelets. Errey stated that some players will skip over one to prevent the laces from being too tight around the ankle and cutting into the skin.
I am not a number. I am a free man!
Tampa Bay Rays have made public their new Alt jerseys. Their debut will be made at home against the Red Sox on 1 May. Maybe it will be an Alt vs. Alt jersey game?
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I dont think we have ever had 2 Houston Oilers references in 1 ticker.
I don’t want to rant here, but that Asics hand guard is rediculous. I honestly can’t stand what youth sports are coming too. I grew up in the late 80’s early 90’s playing sports, I played baseball and football as a kid, and football in high school and college. My sisters played softball in high school and college. When we were growing up we didn’t have all of this crap. We didn’t have heart gurads, face masks on batting helmets, for face sheilds for pitchers. My sisters played Div. I softball and never wore any of that stupid crap. Now facemasks are manditory for batters in high school, the pitchers for the most part wear protective masks, I’ve even seen fielders wearing masks. All of this supposed “protective equipment” only makes players worse. Over loading yourself with all of this gear breeds bad habits, and poor mechanics.
I’m sorry for wasting space with this post, but the over protection of young athletes really fires me up. Generations of players have gotten by without the need for it, why go overboard now.
I played HS football in Canada in the early 1990s. We used bibs somewhat regularly, most notably when one of our ILBs was thrown into action as the backup punter.
I find it odd, considering that I played OG while wearing a non-traditional OL uni number (#48) and I never needed a bib.
It would have been cool to have a player with the last name of Freeman wear No. 6…..
Juan, the Red Sox likely won’t be wearing their road alternates in that Tampa Bay game, as they are also navy blue.
And in regards to the untucked basketball jerseys, at the high school level, many states now require the jerseys be tucked in.
Brooks, I hear ya!
I bet link agree with you…
Since the Metsies already have the skyline patch on the left sleeve, I think David Dolinsky’s inaugural stadium patch is a bit of overkill. If you replace the Mets logo with a stadium pic or something along those lines (like the Yankees’ patch) I think you’ve got a real winner there Mr. Dolinsky, way way better than anything the Wilpons approved……
[quote comment=”310127″]Brooks, I hear ya!
I bet link agree with you…[/quote]
mike coolbaugh and ray chapman laugh at them
With regards bibs, I was going to email in a number of screen caps from CFL where they’ve used bibs.
Someone in the famous 79 Cotton Bowl between Houston and Notre Dame wore a very noticeable bib too.
I’ll find some caps of that too.
Whilst I apreciate that it’s not much use now, but I’ve seen a bib used in a 2008 game at some level. What level I have no idea though!
One interesting point which may have been noted in the past, or not, is that 70s in CFL are eligible, and that 0 is commonly used. However, I’m not sure how 0 works, since I’m certain I’ve seen linemen and receivers both wearing 0’s on different teams.
Great article about the terrible new Met’s new uniform patch that commemorates the opening of Citi Field.
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[quote comment=”310130″]With regards bibs, I was going to email in a number of screen caps from CFL where they’ve used bibs.
Someone in the famous 79 Cotton Bowl between Houston and Notre Dame wore a very noticeable bib too.
I’ll find some caps of that too.
Whilst I apreciate that it’s not much use now, but I’ve seen a bib used in a 2008 game at some level. What level I have no idea though!
One interesting point which may have been noted in the past, or not, is that 70s in CFL are eligible, and that 0 is commonly used. However, I’m not sure how 0 works, since I’m certain I’ve seen linemen and receivers both wearing 0’s on different teams.[/quote]
Linebacker Ike Charlton of the Winnipeg Blue Bombers has worn #0 for a few seasons now.
[quote comment=”310126″]Juan, the Red Sox likely won’t be wearing their road alternates in that Tampa Bay game, as they are also navy blue.
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Right, MLB doesn’t allow two teams to wear similarly colored alts any more. I remember sometime in the ’90s when the Royals and Blue Jays played a game, both wearing blue alts. It was virtually impossible to tell the two teams apart.
Yeah, the Yankees logo and pinstripe tattoo was cool, but I liked his Timberland Field Boots better.
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BTW…I have found a HIGH SCHOOL wearing Nike SOD unis.
Mount Vernon High School outside of NYC is a national power and has been outfitted by Nike for some time now. I was reading my local paper yesterday and saw these pics:
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Notice this shooter wearing long sleeves:
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Their opponent, White Plains, has been outfitted by Nike for years as well. It was this just this year that they went with Wilson as their outfitter. A serious downgrade, if you ask me!
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I’m wondering whether any of the other HS national powers have gone to the SOD unis.
[quote comment=”310126″]Juan, the Red Sox likely won’t be wearing their road alternates in that Tampa Bay game, as they are also navy blue.
And in regards to the untucked basketball jerseys, at the high school level, many states now require the jerseys be tucked in.[/quote]
True about the Rays/Sox but a Blue Alt vs. Red Alt game would be interesting except that the Red Alt stays in Boston.
I definitely remember the bibs when watching CFL games on ESPN back in the old days.
Heck, I remember NBC(?) aired some CFL games during the NFL strike in ’82, and they specifically commented on the bibs because they’d be unfamiliar to American audiences.
If you know how to bunt, you will never get hit in the hand. This just teaches bad technique. If you get hit once, you learn the proper way to bunt out of necessity and that’s how it should be.
Part of the bunt – is the surprise factor, isn’t it.
Although, I guess that this could be used by a pitcher in an obvious sacrifice situation. But still, can you hit with that thing on?
[quote comment=”310133″]“Everyone has their own point of view; taste is very subjective, and we understand that and appreciate the passion of Mets fans.”– Dave Howard, Mets’ executive vice president for business operations[/quote]
That being the case, there have been about a half dozen websites that have totally destroyed the new patch. And the comments afterward have usually been worse than the article itself. Maybe it’s time that the Mets look into redesigning that abomination.
[quote comment=”310129″][quote comment=”310127″]Brooks, I hear ya!
I bet link agree with you…[/quote]
mike coolbaugh and ray chapman laugh at them[/quote]
Larry Bowa wishes he could be them
1909 Pittsburgh Pirates:
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Too bad it wasn’t 1911. Check out the Pirates’ chest pockets:
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I couldn’t disagree more with Brooks. The reason that they have things like heart guards (for example) is because kids got killed by line drives. I didn’t get killed – and neither did Brooks. But that doesn’t mean the equipment is worthless.
Sure, kids should learn proper hand positioning when bunting – but the lesson for doing it wrong shouldn’t be broken fingers and perhaps even permanently damaged fingers. I bet when you get plunked on that Asics pad and that pads mashes your fingers into the aluminum, it’ll hurt plenty. But it’ll hurt without the threat of permanent damage.
Why in the world would you take a basketball picture outside in the grass?? (the “South Carolina in 1982-83” pic)
[quote comment=”310141″]Too bad it wasn’t 1911. Check out the Pirates’ chest pockets:
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Need someplace to keep your dip.
Yeah, the Yankees logo and pinstripe tattoo was cool, but I liked his Timberland Field Boots better.
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BTW…Even better: The rider across from Yankee McPinstripe is wearing the Nike Zoom Flight 96 retro, once worn by Penny Hardaway.
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It will probably be too late to be of any interest, but the girls’ basketball team at my high school wore untucked jerseys during the early ’80s. I will pull out an old yearbook and see whether I can find a good photo.
[quote comment=”310142″]I couldn’t disagree more with Brooks. The reason that they have things like heart guards (for example) is because kids got killed by line drives. I didn’t get killed – and neither did Brooks. But that doesn’t mean the equipment is worthless.
Sure, kids should learn proper hand positioning when bunting – but the lesson for doing it wrong shouldn’t be broken fingers and perhaps even permanently damaged fingers. I bet when you get plunked on that Asics pad and that pads mashes your fingers into the aluminum, it’ll hurt plenty. But it’ll hurt without the threat of permanent damage.[/quote]
Then don’t play baseball. You don’t need a heart guard to sit in front of the TV all day. Sorry. Still with ya, Brooks.
I remember someone saying awhile back that the Rays would put the city name on their road uniforms for 2009. Is that not happening? Was it ever supposed to happen?
[quote comment=”310144″][quote comment=”310141″]Too bad it wasn’t 1911. Check out the Pirates’ chest pockets:
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Need someplace to keep your dip.[/quote]
They kinda look like something Ralph Lauren would design, no?
[quote comment=”310141″]1909 Pittsburgh Pirates:
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1909 Detroit Tigers
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Too bad it wasn’t 1911. Check out the Pirates’ chest pockets:
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Thanks to the MLB Network airing Ken Burn’s Baseball, they just showed the 1909 World Series and I got to see those unifroms in action. I actually can’t wait to see the throwback game this year just to see how they well they pull them uniforms off!
The teams what were around before the 1930s really should dip into their early days with their throwbacks more often!
Those Indiana State unis are sweet! Nice lettering, simple but classic.
When and why did uniforms begin to look like something you’d see from the Jetsons?
That photo of the Oilers playing basketball comes from the days that football teams would cash in on their popularity in the winter/spring to make some money on barnstorming basketball tours. NFL (and AFL) salaries weren’t what they are now. They would challenge local AAU teams or groups of coaches.
When I was little I saw my dad play the National Champion Nebraska Cornhuskers and the Super Bowl Champion Kansas City Chiefs in the same winter. My dad still says Buck Buchanan was one of the best basketball players he ever faced.
College teams still do this. I played against the Nebraska football seniors a couple times in the 90s and am helping arrange a game with the current Husker seniors this spring.
Exchanging shirts at half-time in soccer… now that’s plain weird. I do know that in national-team match-ups players tend to get 2 shirts, so they can put on a dry one at half time. (And exchange 1 of them at the end of the game, and keep the other one as a souvenir or give it to charity or something.) I can imagine them doing that in the Serie A as well.
However, exchanging shirts has always been limited to ‘special’ matches (European tournaments, cup finals, national team matches), and this seems to be a normal league game (Jan 14, 2-0 Final, 1-0 half-time).
Now you could imagine special circumstances (good friends, first game against old team, etc.), but then it would still only make sense if one of them or both wouldn’t come back for the second half. Even that isn’t the case.
[quote comment=\”310130\”]With regards bibs, I was going to email in a number of screen caps from CFL where they\’ve used bibs.
Someone in the famous 79 Cotton Bowl between Houston and Notre Dame wore a very noticeable bib too.
I\’ll find some caps of that too.
Whilst I apreciate that it\’s not much use now, but I\’ve seen a bib used in a 2008 game at some level. What level I have no idea though!
One interesting point which may have been noted in the past, or not, is that 70s in CFL are eligible, and that 0 is commonly used. However, I\’m not sure how 0 works, since I\’m certain I\’ve seen linemen and receivers both wearing 0\’s on different teams.[/quote]
AFAIK, the only non-eligible numbers in Canadian Football are 50s and 60s.
There was a card from the 1970 CFL set that actually has a list of eligible and non-eligible numbers on it. I do miss the days when many CFL receivers wore numbers in the 70s – although Kelly Campbell wore 71 this year for the Eskimos
[quote comment=”310148″]I remember someone saying awhile back that the Rays would put the city name on their road uniforms for 2009. Is that not happening? Was it ever supposed to happen?[/quote]
jon,
i think it all stemmed from this mockup someone posted on teh interwebs in 2007, and the ‘creator’ simply ‘guessed at the font’ for the possible alt…from there it took on a world of it’s own…i don’t think there were ever any plans to put the city name on the roadie or alt…
maybe larry knows more and can fill in the details
From the NYT article on our favorite patch:
“It is compatible and consistent with Citigroup’s overall branding and graphic design elements,” Howard said. … “Obviously, as our partner for Citi Field, we’re going to give substantial deference to their design and graphic treatment.”
I know this isn’t surprising to anyone, but to actually hear the Mets say that they defer to their sponsor has to be infuriating, right? Who’s sponsoring who?
[quote comment=”310155″][quote comment=”310148″]I remember someone saying awhile back that the Rays would put the city name on their road uniforms for 2009. Is that not happening? Was it ever supposed to happen?[/quote]
jon,
i think it all stemmed from this link someone posted on teh interwebs in 2007, and the ‘creator’ simply ‘guessed at the font’ for the possible alt…from there it took on a world of it’s own…i don’t think there were ever any plans to put the city name on the roadie or alt…
maybe larry knows more and can fill in the details[/quote]
Thanks. Yeah, I thought I remembered someone saying they were wearing “Rays” on all unis to spread “brand awareness” of the new look and new nickname, but that they would eventually put the city name on the road uni. Probably all in my head. I think their navy alt is too similar to Atlanta’s navy-on-navy road alt (the only major difference being the light blue sleeve and placket piping).
“I think the Cowboys did this kind of thing in the off season too, as late as the mid-’90s.”
No pics but I can confirm, from reading Boys Will Be Boys by Jeff Pearlman, that the Cowboys did indeed have a barnstorming off-season team up until the mid ’90s, at which time the team leaders (the names of the exact players escape me) decided to start charging outrageous appearance fees, and the people who were booking them for charity gigs were no longer making any money to give to charity.
That oilers song is not the one that i am used to. growing up in Houston my elementary school would play this one over in intercom on monday mornings after oilers victories. it was awesome. i can still quote the whole song.
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The reason for the bunt guard is just to use it in practice, not in a game. Japanese baseball is notorious for using bunts throughout the entire game at all levels.
Article on Masahiro Kawai’s 512 sacrifice bunts
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Youtube of him explaining in Japanese his bunting.
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I was surprised to see that his right hand was in front of the bat in the video. Maybe you do need the guard after all.
Hell, he’s even got a bunting bobblehead for his record 512 bunts, eventually finished with 533 in his career. He had 5,528 plate appearances, so once in every 10 plate appearances he bunted for an out.
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[quote comment=”310154″][quote comment=\”310130\”]With regards bibs, I was going to email in a number of screen caps from CFL where they\’ve used bibs.
Someone in the famous 79 Cotton Bowl between Houston and Notre Dame wore a very noticeable bib too.
I\’ll find some caps of that too.
Whilst I apreciate that it\’s not much use now, but I\’ve seen a bib used in a 2008 game at some level. What level I have no idea though!
One interesting point which may have been noted in the past, or not, is that 70s in CFL are eligible, and that 0 is commonly used. However, I\’m not sure how 0 works, since I\’m certain I\’ve seen linemen and receivers both wearing 0\’s on different teams.[/quote]
AFAIK, the only non-eligible numbers in Canadian Football are 50s and 60s.
There was a card from the 1970 CFL set that actually has a list of eligible and non-eligible numbers on it. I do miss the days when many CFL receivers wore numbers in the 70s – although Kelly Campbell wore 71 this year for the Eskimos[/quote]
That’s what I remember too (the non-eligible). The bibbed guy in the screen caps (Rod Connop, IIRC) was usually an offensive lineman. In short yardage situations where would line up as a TE (and thus have to bibbed as an eligible receiver). Used to happen a lot on FG attempts to – when you brought in big guys to block on the ends.
Now I believe it’s similar to the NFL – where the player reports to the ref that he’s an eligible receiver.
Now in the CFL they just have people check in as eligible…not as much fun as bibs.
Keith
Shivering in Saskatchewan
As for the Under Armour Japanese soccer article. They would not allow me to link to the picture, so we could only copy the http address.
More or less it is a press release for Under Armour in Japanese.
[quote comment=”310130″]With regards bibs, I was going to email in a number of screen caps from CFL where they’ve used bibs.
Someone in the famous 79 Cotton Bowl between Houston and Notre Dame wore a very noticeable bib too.
I’ll find some caps of that too.
Whilst I apreciate that it’s not much use now, but I’ve seen a bib used in a 2008 game at some level. What level I have no idea though!
One interesting point which may have been noted in the past, or not, is that 70s in CFL are eligible, and that 0 is commonly used. However, I’m not sure how 0 works, since I’m certain I’ve seen linemen and receivers both wearing 0’s on different teams.[/quote]
In the NFL, #00 has been used both as an link number, and as an link number…
The only #0 I can remember in the NFL was link as the “Paper Lion”!
The NFL avoids bibs today by having players wearing #50-79 “report” to the officials when they’re lined up as eligible receivers. I dunno what the CFL does in similar situations.
[quote comment=”310123″]I don’t want to rant here, but that Asics hand guard is rediculous. I honestly can’t stand what youth sports are coming too. I grew up in the late 80’s early 90’s playing sports, I played baseball and football as a kid, and football in high school and college. My sisters played softball in high school and college. When we were growing up we didn’t have all of this crap. We didn’t have heart gurads, face masks on batting helmets, for face sheilds for pitchers. My sisters played Div. I softball and never wore any of that stupid crap. Now facemasks are manditory for batters in high school, the pitchers for the most part wear protective masks, I’ve even seen fielders wearing masks. All of this supposed “protective equipment” only makes players worse. Over loading yourself with all of this gear breeds bad habits, and poor mechanics.
I’m sorry for wasting space with this post, but the over protection of young athletes really fires me up. Generations of players have gotten by without the need for it, why go overboard now.[/quote]
They must have much more strict rules in your state, because I go down the street to watch high school baseball at least a 5 or 6 times a summer and I’ve only seen a handful of players with masks on, and I’ve only ever heard of one player ever wearing a chest guard for baseball, and that was a friend of mine that had heart surgery and he had too or he wouldn’t have been allowed to play. But if someone opted to wear extra protection, who cares. If they got nailed in the jaw once and decided they’d rather not have another summer with their mouth wired shut, who are you to tell them they’re going over board?
That being said I think the bunting guard is stupid for a variety of reasons.
[quote comment=”310123″]I don’t want to rant here, but that Asics hand guard is rediculous. I honestly can’t stand what youth sports are coming too. I grew up in the late 80’s early 90’s playing sports, I played baseball and football as a kid, and football in high school and college. My sisters played softball in high school and college. When we were growing up we didn’t have all of this crap. We didn’t have heart gurads, face masks on batting helmets, for face sheilds for pitchers. My sisters played Div. I softball and never wore any of that stupid crap. Now facemasks are manditory for batters in high school, the pitchers for the most part wear protective masks, I’ve even seen fielders wearing masks. All of this supposed “protective equipment” only makes players worse. Over loading yourself with all of this gear breeds bad habits, and poor mechanics.
I’m sorry for wasting space with this post, but the over protection of young athletes really fires me up. Generations of players have gotten by without the need for it, why go overboard now.[/quote]
I have a feeling this is due in part to the litigiousness of today’s society. Past generations wouldn’t have considered suing the school or Little League because little Billy got a tooth knocked out by a pitch or a bad hop on a grounder. Some in this generation definitely would. I think this trend is partly due to schools and youth leagues feeling a need to protect their asses, not just a need to protect kids’ faces/hands/etc. Maybe I am just overly cynical.
[quote comment=”310164″][quote comment=”310130″]With regards bibs, I was going to email in a number of screen caps from CFL where they’ve used bibs.
Someone in the famous 79 Cotton Bowl between Houston and Notre Dame wore a very noticeable bib too.
I’ll find some caps of that too.
Whilst I apreciate that it’s not much use now, but I’ve seen a bib used in a 2008 game at some level. What level I have no idea though!
One interesting point which may have been noted in the past, or not, is that 70s in CFL are eligible, and that 0 is commonly used. However, I’m not sure how 0 works, since I’m certain I’ve seen linemen and receivers both wearing 0’s on different teams.[/quote]
In the NFL, #00 has been used both as an link number, and as an link number…
The only #0 I can remember in the NFL was link as the “Paper Lion”!
The NFL avoids bibs today by having players wearing #50-79 “report” to the officials when they’re lined up as eligible receivers. I dunno what the CFL does in similar situations.[/quote]
In NFL, fullback Johnny Olszewski wore #33 with the Chicago Cardinals. Then with the Redskins, Lions and Broncos wore #0 (“Johnny O”). Pretty sure that make him only AFL player every to wear #0) Obert Logan, a DB, wore #0 for the early Saints.
#00 was, of course worn by Raider C Jim Otto in the AFL and also beginnin 1970 or so by WR Ken Burrough with Saints and the Oilers.
—Ricko
[quote comment=”310156″]From the NYT article on our favorite patch:
“It is compatible and consistent with Citigroup’s overall branding and graphic design elements,” Howard said. … “Obviously, as our partner for Citi Field, we’re going to give substantial deference to their design and graphic treatment.”
I know this isn’t surprising to anyone, but to actually hear the Mets say that they defer to their sponsor has to be infuriating, right? Who’s sponsoring who?[/quote]
Will the patch be modified to show the rust stains?
So, as Dave Howard openly admitted in the Times article, Citi Group (which is not much of a “group” anymore) came up with the design and the Mets signed off. The article also says, “. . . Citigroup wanted the patch to evoke the company’s general branding. The Mets did not object.” I knew it. The patch design is meant to be associated, perhaps subconsciously, with the official Citi Field logo with CitiGroup’s logo on it. Subliminal marketing. This reminds me of all the talk about how the current “M” on Brewers’ caps looks a little like Miller Beer’s logo and has a sprig of barley on it. What a coincidence? Miller has the naming rights for the Brewers’ ballpark.
Personally, I like the logo the Mets are using on merchandise. But, they are too pigheaded to change. Perhaps if Citi Group goes belly up before the season ends. Naah. The Fed and Treasury will bail them out if they need it again. How does “Fed Field” sound?
[quote comment=”310118″]Paul, I have heard somewhere that MLB teams are not allowed to have other sponsors on their uniforms aside from Majestic (or Rawlings, or whatever). This is why the Cardinals patch for the first season at New Busch just reads “Inaugural Season”.
So while it would make sense for the Mets to have an “Inaugural Season/Citi Field” patch, they are not allowed to mention Citi on the uniforms, and thus a generic patch is all they can use.
Of course, it would have looked much better if any sort of srchitectural element from the stadium was used in the patch, rather than the Domino’s Pizza-looking one.
But this is the Mets.[/quote]
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[quote comment=”310128″]Since the Metsies already have the skyline patch on the left sleeve, I think David Dolinsky’s inaugural stadium patch is a bit of overkill. If you replace the Mets logo with a stadium pic or something along those lines (like the Yankees’ patch) I think you’ve got a real winner there Mr. Dolinsky, way way better than anything the Wilpons approved……[/quote]
[quote comment=\”310153\”]Exchanging shirts at half-time in soccer… now that\’s plain weird. I do know that in national-team match-ups players tend to get 2 shirts, so they can put on a dry one at half time. (And exchange 1 of them at the end of the game, and keep the other one as a souvenir or give it to charity or something.) I can imagine them doing that in the Serie A as well.
However, exchanging shirts has always been limited to \’special\’ matches (European tournaments, cup finals, national team matches), and this seems to be a normal league game (Jan 14, 2-0 Final, 1-0 half-time).
Now you could imagine special circumstances (good friends, first game against old team, etc.), but then it would still only make sense if one of them or both wouldn\’t come back for the second half. Even that isn\’t the case.[/quote]
it\’s more common to exchange shirts within european leagues than in english and american leagues. it\’s not uncommon to do so during normal league games. And within that, it\’s not unheard of to see it happening at halftime.
[quote comment=”310156″]From the NYT article on our favorite patch:
“It is compatible and consistent with Citigroup’s overall branding and graphic design elements,” Howard said. … “Obviously, as our partner for Citi Field, we’re going to give substantial deference to their design and graphic treatment.”
I know this isn’t surprising to anyone, but to actually hear the Mets say that they defer to their sponsor has to be infuriating, right? Who’s sponsoring who?[/quote]
The government is sponsoring the Mets
Since it is -30 in Southern Wisconsin today, I will be wearing this:
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… when I go out today when my fiancee go out to Cracker Barrel for brunch. My fiancee is a teacher and had a “cold day” today and isn’t teaching. In fact, I don’t think any teachers in Wisconsin are teaching today.
What about you Mr. Powers? You in the class room today?
And Ricko…I need my daily dose of “Benchies”. Got anything for me?
For years the Steelers have done offseason tours as the “Pittsburgh Steelers Footballers Basketball Team”.
I’ve seen them play various alumni/faculty groups throughout Western PA.
Every now and then you’ll get a superstar (Big Ben used to show up, but i don’t think he can anymore) but a lot of times it’s lesser “stars” and practice squad players.
[quote comment=”310167″][quote comment=”310164″][quote comment=”310130″]With regards bibs, I was going to email in a number of screen caps from CFL where they’ve used bibs.
Someone in the famous 79 Cotton Bowl between Houston and Notre Dame wore a very noticeable bib too.
I’ll find some caps of that too.
Whilst I apreciate that it’s not much use now, but I’ve seen a bib used in a 2008 game at some level. What level I have no idea though!
One interesting point which may have been noted in the past, or not, is that 70s in CFL are eligible, and that 0 is commonly used. However, I’m not sure how 0 works, since I’m certain I’ve seen linemen and receivers both wearing 0’s on different teams.[/quote]
In the NFL, #00 has been used both as an link number, and as an link number…
The only #0 I can remember in the NFL was link as the “Paper Lion”!
The NFL avoids bibs today by having players wearing #50-79 “report” to the officials when they’re lined up as eligible receivers. I dunno what the CFL does in similar situations.[/quote]
In NFL, fullback Johnny Olszewski wore #33 with the Chicago Cardinals. Then with the Redskins, Lions and Broncos wore #0 (“Johnny O”). Pretty sure that make him only AFL player every to wear #0) Obert Logan, a DB, wore #0 for the early Saints.
#00 was, of course worn by Raider C Jim Otto in the AFL and also beginnin 1970 or so by WR Ken Burrough with Saints and the Oilers.
—Ricko[/quote]
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[quote comment=”310167″]Obert Logan, a DB, wore #0 for the early Saints.[/quote]
We had a photo of that just the other day:
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[quote comment=”310171″][quote comment=”310156″]From the NYT article on our favorite patch:
“It is compatible and consistent with Citigroup’s overall branding and graphic design elements,” Howard said. … “Obviously, as our partner for Citi Field, we’re going to give substantial deference to their design and graphic treatment.”
I know this isn’t surprising to anyone, but to actually hear the Mets say that they defer to their sponsor has to be infuriating, right? Who’s sponsoring who?[/quote]
The government is sponsoring the Mets[/quote]
Touche.
[quote comment=”310143″]Why in the world would you take a basketball picture outside in the grass?? (the “South Carolina in 1982-83” pic)[/quote]
…and it’s also amusing that they are called the “Lady Gamecocks”!
the “real” johnny o ;)
Trust me anything out of the ordinary is a pain in the butt for us equipment guys!
We had a kid in high school who was asked to go from tight end to guard because of injuries.
He actually wore both jerseys-I had to pull and tug to get that on him!! In college we switched out jerseys a few times-since we brought like a half dozen onto the field during home games.
Tyler Kepner’s story in today’s New York Times reveals the uniform patches that the Mets and Yankees will wear for the inaugural season at their new stadiums.
Regardless of your feelings about the teams themselves, the Yankees patch is quite classy, a mix of old and new as one would expect from an organization that prides itself on tradition.
The Mets’ design, on the other, looks like crap.
Seriously, it looks like something I would have done in high school. “I started to write ‘Inaugural Season’ straight across, but ran out of room and was too lazy to redo it, so I put it at an angle.”
I got a “C” in art, by the way.
Let us annotate the Times‘ article, written by Tyler Kepner.
In comparing the 2009 logo to the original, which was created in 1961, “The Mets’ most recent design has not been as warmly embraced.”
This is a surprise? Unless it needs a special light to reveal the name “Mets,” this logo could be for absolutely anything.
“The Mets’ patch seems to take minimalism to the extreme,” Kepner writes. “Baseball forbids teams putting corporate names on uniforms, but Citigroup wanted the patch to evoke the company’s general branding. The Mets did not object. Citigroup itself is in financial distress and is planning to dismantle part of its corporate empire. But the patch remains the patch, for better or worse.”
Worse, imho.
Kepner quotes Dave Howard, the Mets’ executive vice president for business operations: “[Citibank has] more of a minimalist style to their brand and their logo. Obviously, as our partner for Citi Field, we’re going to give substantial deference to their design and graphic treatment.”
I can just see the Mets brass rolling their eyes when the art director showed them their grand design, which must have taken hundreds of man-hours and costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to produce. (And I mean that almost literally: they pluck out their eyes in disbelief and roll them across the table in protest.) At that point, I would have called Sterling Cooper to get some of the boys to brainstorm; Don Draper would have straightened those Citigroup knuckleheads.
And I’m sorry, but I must have missed the announcement that Citigroup actually bought the team. They’re paying $400 million over 20 years for the naming rights, which doesn’t seem like a whole lot (relatively speaking). Was Fred Wilpon that desperate for cash that he had to sell the Mets’ soul like this? This is New York, for cryin’ out loud, not Kansas City.
“The official Citi Field logo has been widely panned as drab and too evocative of the Domino’s Pizza logo,” Kepner observes.
Why not kill two birds with one stone? Have a “day” at the ballpark and hand out cards with the new logo on one side and a coupon for a personal pan pizza on the other.
“Howard said the Mets were flattered that Citigroup designed a logo that incorporated the team’s blue and orange colors.” Thank heaven for small mercies.
“The Mets do have an alternate inaugural season logo that features the windows of the distinctive rotunda at Citi Field. But Howard said that logo would be available only on merchandise sold at the ballpark [emphasis added].”
On the other hand, with the old logo retired, the Mets can charge more for it, based on the nostalgia factor.
I should have known Paul would be a fellow fan of The Prisoner. I once saw a DIY link of how to make your own No. 6 jacket with piping, suitable for wearing around The Village.
[quote comment=”310178″]the “real” link ;)[/quote]
Here I am at the NFC Championship game last year when it was -30F out then as well.
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Now, I am a littler heavier than most, but that pic makes me look HUGE! I had about 7 layers on, and was not wearing my face mask just for that picture. I couldn’t stand not wearing my face mask for more than 20 seconds or else my face would freeze off.
And for all the single guys out there. I strongly recommended finding a lady who will be willing to go to Lambeau Field for the 2nd coldest game ever played there, sit for 5 hours outside, and watch the home team lose. I found mine…
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The Steelers had a basketball team in the mid-late seventies. They played some teachers at my high school (Oak Glen HS in WV) in an exhibition. It as pre 1980 because I was not in HS yet. I’m guessing it was around ’76 or ’77. Unfortunately I don’t remember what their uniforms looked like. I think they were gold, but that’s the best I can do.
[quote comment=”310172″]Since it is -30 in Southern Wisconsin today, I will be wearing this:
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… when I go out today when my fiancee go out to Cracker Barrel for brunch. My fiancee is a teacher and had a “cold day” today and isn’t teaching. In fact, I don’t think any teachers in Wisconsin are teaching today.
What about you Mr. Powers? You in the class room today?
And Ricko…I need my daily dose of “Benchies”. Got anything for me?[/quote]
Yup. It’s cold here in NY but not Wiscosin cold. We had 3 inches of snow dropped during rush hour this morning, but no delays.
However, the heat has been off in my room for the past three days, so I have been convening class in the theatre as I posted the other day:
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Aargh.
During the late 80’s, The NY Giants also had a barnstorming hoops team. I once saw them play against my HS faculty and another time they played against the IBEW Local 363 All-Stars at the local Community College.
Many of the stars, including LT, Dave Meggett, and even Herb Welch played!
“If you’re afraid to bunt because you’re worried about your top hand getting hit by the pitch, Asics has come up with a hand guard. Might cut down on the element of surprise just slightly, though.”
Or the coaches could just lteach the players to bunt properly. Seriously do we need equipment that allows a player to use the wrong techniques or cover for poor coaching.
[quote comment=”310184″][quote comment=”310172″]Since it is -30 in Southern Wisconsin today, I will be wearing this:
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… when I go out today when my fiancee go out to Cracker Barrel for brunch. My fiancee is a teacher and had a “cold day” today and isn’t teaching. In fact, I don’t think any teachers in Wisconsin are teaching today.
What about you Mr. Powers? You in the class room today?
And Ricko…I need my daily dose of “Benchies”. Got anything for me?[/quote]
Yup. It’s cold here in NY but not Wiscosin cold. We had 3 inches of snow dropped during rush hour this morning, but no delays.
However, the heat has been off in my room for the past three days, so I have been convening class in the theatre as I posted the other day:
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Aargh.
During the late 80’s, The NY Giants also had a barnstorming hoops team. I once saw them play against my HS faculty and another time they played against the IBEW Local 363 All-Stars at the local Community College.
Many of the stars, including LT, Dave Meggett, and even Herb Welch played![/quote]
Dave Meggett near any a high school is a scary thought.
“While watching a rebroadcast of the 1982 Grey Cup…” What, did you lose a bet or something?
[quote comment=”310165″]
They must have much more strict rules in your state, because I go down the street to watch high school baseball at least a 5 or 6 times a summer and I’ve only seen a handful of players with masks on, and I’ve only ever heard of one player ever wearing a chest guard for baseball, and that was a friend of mine that had heart surgery and he had too or he wouldn’t have been allowed to play. But if someone opted to wear extra protection, who cares. If they got nailed in the jaw once and decided they’d rather not have another summer with their mouth wired shut, who are you to tell them they’re going over board?
That being said I think the bunting guard is stupid for a variety of reasons.[/quote]
I was trying to avoid getting into too much detail, but in NJ high school softball players by rule must wear helmets with face guards. Listen, I understand about the dangers of sports, I know kids have gotten killed by getting hit with a line drive, but that is the exception not the norm. I played sports throughout my career knowing that I could break bones, tear ligimants, or possibly wind up paralyzed. There is a risk that comes with any activity that you do, some activities are more risky than others. Overloading kids at any level with protective equipment will cause bad habits or poor technique. If you are afraid of getting hurt, stick to video games, or band.
[quote comment=”310185″]”If you’re afraid to bunt because you’re worried about your top hand getting hit by the pitch, Asics has come up with a hand guard. Might cut down on the element of surprise just slightly, though.”
Or the coaches could just lteach the players to bunt properly. Seriously do we need equipment that allows a player to use the wrong techniques or cover for poor coaching.[/quote]
heck, i’m not even that far removed from playing youth sports and it drives me nuts to see how much equipment some kids wear. even when i was younger, maybe 10, i saw a slow pitch softball game with a coach pitching, but the kid “pitcher” had to wear a helmet and a mask.
i can understand the mask or protectors if you’ve been injured there before, but wearing it b/c you can? if you’re that afraid of whatever it is you’re doing, DON’T DO IT. i was afraid of hurting my hand when bunting, so guess, what? i didn’t bunt, that simple.
[quote comment=”310188″][quote comment=”310165″]
They must have much more strict rules in your state, because I go down the street to watch high school baseball at least a 5 or 6 times a summer and I’ve only seen a handful of players with masks on, and I’ve only ever heard of one player ever wearing a chest guard for baseball, and that was a friend of mine that had heart surgery and he had too or he wouldn’t have been allowed to play. But if someone opted to wear extra protection, who cares. If they got nailed in the jaw once and decided they’d rather not have another summer with their mouth wired shut, who are you to tell them they’re going over board?
That being said I think the bunting guard is stupid for a variety of reasons.[/quote]
I was trying to avoid getting into too much detail, but in NJ high school softball players by rule must wear helmets with face guards. Listen, I understand about the dangers of sports, I know kids have gotten killed by getting hit with a line drive, but that is the exception not the norm. I played sports throughout my career knowing that I could break bones, tear ligimants, or possibly wind up paralyzed. There is a risk that comes with any activity that you do, some activities are more risky than others. Overloading kids at any level with protective equipment will cause bad habits or poor technique. If you are afraid of getting hurt, stick to video games, or band.[/quote]
Hey, don’t mock band injuries. I lost a decent amount of skin from my lower lip when it froze to my trumpets mouthpiece when marching in a St. Patrick’s Day parade. It was nearly as cold as it is today, set a record I believe. I was so cold i didn’t even realize I did it until I felt something warm(blood) dribbling down my chin. You can’t tell me that’s not pretty hardcore. And if you’re wondering we had some pretty terrible uniforms.
At the beginning of the 2008 season, when the Rays introduced their new uniforms and logos, didn’t Paul mention that the “Rays” on the road jersey was just temporary to promote the new look? Will the road grays have “Tampa Bay” on them this year?
I beg to differ on the bunting. My high school coach actually taught us to bunt with our top hands closed…same grip as normal. If you’re bunting properly, the ball’s going to go nowhere near your top hand, you should be catching the ball with the sweet spot of the bat. Our team very rarely didn’t deliver on a sac bunt (had to run a mile on the track next practice if you did…actually, our coach had a lot of run-a-mile rules, they could add up quickly. I think one guy had to run six miles one day!) I know I’ll be in the extreme minority on this, but I don’t care, that’s what worked best for me and when I was called upon I was always able to get it down. This did get me into quite the altercation with my college coach a few years later. He starts yelling “you’re going to break your hand!” I said “look, my right finger was broken and dislocated so bad it needed surgery to correct it, if I was really worried about that I wouldn’t be putting it out in front of the bat would I?”
He didn’t like that much…
Regarding more/less equipment, I don’t know, I’m really in a middle ground here. I mean, I see where too much armor on a batter gives them a sense of invincibility and can be bad for the game, but there’s also something to be said about being proactive regarding injury.
Sure, hockey players used to go without helmets and goalies without masks but would that really be wise in this day and age? Shit, anyone see what happened to Rob Scuderi in the Pens/Caps game last night? He might think that visor is a good idea!
Same with football, yeah, guys used to go without facemasks or with single and double bars that offered little compared to what the Riddell et al of the world put out today.
Equipment evolves with time. Sometimes I think we get caught up in this macho “I didn’t wear ‘X’ piece of equipment and I didn’t get hurt”.
On the other hand, I do think that the evolution of the football helmet is directly linked to the rise in concussions because players are using the equipment as a weapon. That’s why I have no problem with leading with the head as a penalty. Sure, if a guy had to go out there with no facemask, his fundamentals would have to be better (out of survival)!
I’d always err on the side of caution and give players the benefit of the doubt for wanting more protective equipment but hey, I played catcher for ten years so it’s in my DNA!!!
[quote comment=”310187″]”While watching a rebroadcast of the 1982 Grey Cup…” What, did you lose a bet or something?[/quote]
That was a fun game to watch. Warren Moon, Brian Kelly, Condrege Holloway, Terry Greer, Emanuel Tolbert…lotta long pass plays in that one. If no football on TV and you need a fix, you could do a whole lot worse than that game for entertainment.
—Ricko
[quote comment=”310134″]Yeah, the Yankees logo and pinstripe tattoo was cool, but I liked his Timberland Field Boots better.
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BTW…I have found a HIGH SCHOOL wearing Nike SOD unis.
Mount Vernon High School outside of NYC is a national power and has been outfitted by Nike for some time now. I was reading my local paper yesterday and saw these pics:
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Notice this shooter wearing long sleeves:
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Their opponent, White Plains, has been outfitted by Nike for years as well. It was this just this year that they went with Wilson as their outfitter. A serious downgrade, if you ask me!
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I’m wondering whether any of the other HS national powers have gone to the SOD unis.[/quote]
Fairfax High in L.A. wears an Ohio State SOD template…
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They also have their own version of The Six…
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Paul, I’ve been a Mets fan since I was a little kid, and I think that new citi field commemorative patch isn’t THAT bad – it could be worse – they could have done it in black! Nothing wrong with going back to basics…
In checking the USAToday Boys Basketball rankings, only Mount Vernon, NY and Fairfax of California wears SOD unis.
Interesting tidbit: Like the SOD unis that TOSU wears, or wore, they are made with the Lebron logo and they wear team Exclusive Lebron 6’s:
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Fairfax Lebron 3’s:
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Fairfax Lebron 4’s:
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Christ The King of NYC wears custom Lebrons, as well as Lebron unis in a two-toned template that I have never seen before:
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McClymonds of California also wears a no-name brand but with Nike shoes and a very interesting number font:
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[quote comment=”310189″][quote comment=”310185″]”If you’re afraid to bunt because you’re worried about your top hand getting hit by the pitch, Asics has come up with a hand guard. Might cut down on the element of surprise just slightly, though.”
Or the coaches could just lteach the players to bunt properly. Seriously do we need equipment that allows a player to use the wrong techniques or cover for poor coaching.[/quote]
heck, i’m not even that far removed from playing youth sports and it drives me nuts to see how much equipment some kids wear. even when i was younger, maybe 10, i saw a slow pitch softball game with a coach pitching, but the kid “pitcher” had to wear a helmet and a mask.
i can understand the mask or protectors if you’ve been injured there before, but wearing it b/c you can? if you’re that afraid of whatever it is you’re doing, DON’T DO IT. i was afraid of hurting my hand when bunting, so guess, what? i didn’t bunt, that simple.[/quote]
You can’t say that because it’s inherently hypocritical. By saying that you basically imply that any and all safety equipment is unnecessary, which I doubt you really believe. I don’t know about you but I’m definitely afraid of dying in a car accident and I’m glad I have airbags etc.
Re: the #6 RIP entry, I went right to ESPN to see if Stan Musial died.
[quote comment=”310194″][quote comment=”310134″]Yeah, the Yankees logo and pinstripe tattoo was cool, but I liked his Timberland Field Boots better.
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BTW…I have found a HIGH SCHOOL wearing Nike SOD unis.
Mount Vernon High School outside of NYC is a national power and has been outfitted by Nike for some time now. I was reading my local paper yesterday and saw these pics:
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Notice this shooter wearing long sleeves:
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Their opponent, White Plains, has been outfitted by Nike for years as well. It was this just this year that they went with Wilson as their outfitter. A serious downgrade, if you ask me!
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I’m wondering whether any of the other HS national powers have gone to the SOD unis.[/quote]
Fairfax High in L.A. wears an Ohio State SOD template…
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They also have their own version of The Six…
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JAson, nice work…you beat me to it.
I posted pics of the CTK unis with the stranger template.
It seems that the only other team to have worn them was Fairfax the preceding year:
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If you scroll through the gallery, you will see McClymonds wearing a Syracuse styles knock-off uni unlike the other that I attempted to link to before.
Regarding all of the HS hoops pics:
I have NEVER seen anyone in a Competitive league wearing a LS shirt under a hoops jersey before.
If you look through the posted pics today, there are many,
[quote comment=”310150″][quote comment=”310141″]1909 Pittsburgh Pirates:
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1909 Detroit Tigers
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Too bad it wasn’t 1911. Check out the Pirates’ chest pockets:
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Thanks to the MLB Network airing Ken Burn’s Baseball, they just showed the 1909 World Series and I got to see those unifroms in action. I actually can’t wait to see the throwback game this year just to see how they well they pull them uniforms off!
The teams what were around before the 1930s really should dip into their early days with their throwbacks more often![/quote]
Is it just my imagination, or are most games involving turn-back-the-clock uniforms played during the interleague part of the season?
[quote comment=”310164″][quote comment=”310130″]With regards bibs, I was going to email in a number of screen caps from CFL where they’ve used bibs.
Someone in the famous 79 Cotton Bowl between Houston and Notre Dame wore a very noticeable bib too.
I’ll find some caps of that too.
Whilst I apreciate that it’s not much use now, but I’ve seen a bib used in a 2008 game at some level. What level I have no idea though!
One interesting point which may have been noted in the past, or not, is that 70s in CFL are eligible, and that 0 is commonly used. However, I’m not sure how 0 works, since I’m certain I’ve seen linemen and receivers both wearing 0’s on different teams.[/quote]
In the NFL, #00 has been used both as an link number, and as an link number…
The only #0 I can remember in the NFL was link as the “Paper Lion”!
The NFL avoids bibs today by having players wearing #50-79 “report” to the officials when they’re lined up as eligible receivers. I dunno what the CFL does in similar situations.[/quote]
I absolutely love the #00 jersey and Plimpton’s #0 jersey in the Paper Lion. So much so, I named my dog Zero.
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You can’t say that because it’s inherently hypocritical. By saying that you basically imply that any and all safety equipment is unnecessary, which I doubt you really believe. I don’t know about you but I’m definitely afraid of dying in a car accident and I’m glad I have airbags etc.[/quote]
I actually am not worried about dying in a car accident, I am confident in my driving ability, and awareness that I can avoid most dangerous situations. That being said, I know that there are exceptions to that statement, there might be something that I cannot avoid. It is the same with sports, you may get some minor scratches and scrapes, or you may get some broken bones or torn ligaments. However, death and catastrophic injuries are the exceptions. If you are that afraid of an activity, avoid it, plain and simple.
I believe someone already mentioned it, but I figured I’d confirm. David’s design for the Inaugural Season patch were indeed much nicer than the actual one to be used. But, there is a rule against any sort of sponsorship on uniforms in Major League Baseball so the word “Citi” could not be used even though its part of the title “Citi Field.”
Look, if you’re really worried about getting hurt while bunting, skip that wussy-ass guard and go for link.
[quote comment=”310204″]I believe someone already mentioned it, but I figured I’d confirm. David’s design for the Inaugural Season patch were indeed much nicer than the actual one to be used. But, there is a rule against any sort of sponsorship on uniforms in Major League Baseball so the word “Citi” could not be used even though its part of the title “Citi Field.”[/quote]
What did the Tiger’s do when Comerica Park opened? Or similar stadiums?
[quote comment=\”310173\”]For years the Steelers have done offseason tours as the \”Pittsburgh Steelers Footballers Basketball Team\”.
I\’ve seen them play various alumni/faculty groups throughout Western PA.
Every now and then you\’ll get a superstar (Big Ben used to show up, but i don\’t think he can anymore) but a lot of times it\’s lesser \”stars\” and practice squad players.[/quote]
Back in the early 80s my dad and I went to a charity softball game between the Philadelphia Flyers and doctors from a suburban Phila hospital. My dad warned me not to expect many of the big stars, so imagine my surprise and getting to see (and meet) Bobby Clarke and Bill Barber.
The other thing I remember about that game (where are the pictures dad?) is that it was played at a high school football stadium with a temporary backstop and outfield fence.
^5 Brooks
I’m lookin for a little resource help. I have to recreate vintage 1960 baseball number stitching graphically. Anyone got a really good visual image??
[quote comment=”310203″][quote comment=”310197″]
You can’t say that because it’s inherently hypocritical. By saying that you basically imply that any and all safety equipment is unnecessary, which I doubt you really believe. I don’t know about you but I’m definitely afraid of dying in a car accident and I’m glad I have airbags etc.[/quote]
I actually am not worried about dying in a car accident, I am confident in my driving ability, and awareness that I can avoid most dangerous situations. That being said, I know that there are exceptions to that statement, there might be something that I cannot avoid. It is the same with sports, you may get some minor scratches and scrapes, or you may get some broken bones or torn ligaments. However, death and catastrophic injuries are the exceptions. If you are that afraid of an activity, avoid it, plain and simple.[/quote]
Again, this logic is reactive. since death is rare, why don’t we just go back to baseball players not wearing helmets at the plate or hey, I’ll let you protect your head but not your ears by wearing a flapless helmet.
Ballplayers played for years using just the soft cap and injuries were rare.
Look, I NEVER wore a helmet riding a bike when I was young (no one did). But, if I were to get on a bike now, I know I’d wear one.
Given our interest in untucked basketball jerseys over the past two days, I was surprised to see this entry today on philly.com:
Bob Cooney: Referees shouldn’t be fashion police for South Jersey players
By Bob Cooney
Philadelphia Daily News
Daily News Sports Columnist
WE WILL START today’s notes by saying we played 2 hours of basketball yesterday and kept our shirt tucked in the whole time.
That being said, we wonder – why is it so hard for players to keep their jerseys tucked into their shorts? In one game we attended recently, a referee denied a player entrance into a game until he tucked in his jersey. And in a classy move, the player’s coach backed the referee.
We know the days of short shorts and long socks are gone (which is good). But back in those days, shirts never became untucked. Is it because of the oversized shorts, the bigger jerseys? Who knows. But it has become annoying.
“We do not want to be the fashion police when we are doing a game,” said Jeff Cohen, assigner of referees for Board 34. “We don’t want to be telling the kids, nor should we have to be telling the kids, to tuck in their shirts, to take out their earrings, to pull their pants up so their underwear isn’t showing. It is the job of the coaches to get that done, but honestly, these kids are old enough to know what they should be doing. The rules are the rules, and it is our job to enforce them.”
Maybe our age is showing, but it gets really annoying to watch games in which the refs must continually enforce rules that really have nothing to do with the game. It’s not their job. Nor should it be.
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[quote comment=”310206″][quote comment=”310204″]I believe someone already mentioned it, but I figured I’d confirm. David’s design for the Inaugural Season patch were indeed much nicer than the actual one to be used. But, there is a rule against any sort of sponsorship on uniforms in Major League Baseball so the word “Citi” could not be used even though its part of the title “Citi Field.”[/quote]
What did the Tiger’s do when Comerica Park opened? Or similar stadiums?[/quote]
Most use a distinct architectural element of the new stadium.
For example, the Phillies used the light up Liberty Bell and the red beams that make up lightpoles
Yankee Stadium uses their famous decoration
Busch Stadium used their Main Entrance Facade
Mets use a blue square and orange rectangle
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AFAIK, the only non-eligible numbers in Canadian Football are 50s and 60s.
There was a card from the 1970 CFL set that actually has a list of eligible and non-eligible numbers on it. I do miss the days when many CFL receivers wore numbers in the 70s – although Kelly Campbell wore 71 this year for the Eskimos[/quote]
Not sure if it’s still the case, but back in the day, 40-69 were non-eligible receiver numbers on the offence in the CFL.
Ugh.
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[quote comment=”310212″][quote comment=”310206″][quote comment=”310204″]I believe someone already mentioned it, but I figured I’d confirm. David’s design for the Inaugural Season patch were indeed much nicer than the actual one to be used. But, there is a rule against any sort of sponsorship on uniforms in Major League Baseball so the word “Citi” could not be used even though its part of the title “Citi Field.”[/quote]
What did the Tiger’s do when Comerica Park opened? Or similar stadiums?[/quote]
Most use a distinct architectural element of the new stadium.
For example, the Phillies used the light up Liberty Bell and the red beams that make up lightpoles
Yankee Stadium uses their famous decoration
Busch Stadium used their Main Entrance Facade
Mets use a blue square and orange rectangle[/quote]
So basically the Cardinals would have been a beer can if they did what the Mets did?
[quote comment=”310202″][quote comment=”310164″][quote comment=”310130″]With regards bibs, I was going to email in a number of screen caps from CFL where they’ve used bibs.
Someone in the famous 79 Cotton Bowl between Houston and Notre Dame wore a very noticeable bib too.
I’ll find some caps of that too.
Whilst I apreciate that it’s not much use now, but I’ve seen a bib used in a 2008 game at some level. What level I have no idea though!
One interesting point which may have been noted in the past, or not, is that 70s in CFL are eligible, and that 0 is commonly used. However, I’m not sure how 0 works, since I’m certain I’ve seen linemen and receivers both wearing 0’s on different teams.[/quote]
In the NFL, #00 has been used both as an link number, and as an link number…
The only #0 I can remember in the NFL was link as the “Paper Lion”!
The NFL avoids bibs today by having players wearing #50-79 “report” to the officials when they’re lined up as eligible receivers. I dunno what the CFL does in similar situations.[/quote]
I absolutely love the #00 jersey and Plimpton’s #0 jersey in the Paper Lion. So much so, I named my dog Zero.
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Bryan Cox also wore number 0 for the patriots in the preseason his first year with them. he might bea good modern day example.
[quote comment=”310200″]I have NEVER seen anyone in a Competitive league wearing a LS shirt under a hoops jersey before.[/quote]
That kid who plays for Oklahoma, Tony Crocker, has been wearing a long-sleeved undershirt for most of this season:
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[quote comment=”310211″]Given our interest in untucked basketball jerseys over the past two days, I was surprised to see this entry today on philly.com:
Bob Cooney: Referees shouldn’t be fashion police for South Jersey players
By Bob Cooney
Philadelphia Daily News
Daily News Sports Columnist
WE WILL START today’s notes by saying we played 2 hours of basketball yesterday and kept our shirt tucked in the whole time.
That being said, we wonder – why is it so hard for players to keep their jerseys tucked into their shorts? In one game we attended recently, a referee denied a player entrance into a game until he tucked in his jersey. And in a classy move, the player’s coach backed the referee.
We know the days of short shorts and long socks are gone (which is good). But back in those days, shirts never became untucked. Is it because of the oversized shorts, the bigger jerseys? Who knows. But it has become annoying.
“We do not want to be the fashion police when we are doing a game,” said Jeff Cohen, assigner of referees for Board 34. “We don’t want to be telling the kids, nor should we have to be telling the kids, to tuck in their shirts, to take out their earrings, to pull their pants up so their underwear isn’t showing. It is the job of the coaches to get that done, but honestly, these kids are old enough to know what they should be doing. The rules are the rules, and it is our job to enforce them.”
Maybe our age is showing, but it gets really annoying to watch games in which the refs must continually enforce rules that really have nothing to do with the game. It’s not their job. Nor should it be.
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You know what’s even more annoying than jerseys coming untucked? A sportswriter (or any other journalist) who refers to himself as “we.” You’ve already got the privilege of a media soapbox; do you really need to augment it by creating the impression that you’ve got a chorus of unanimity behind you? A lazy, cowardly approach that’s designed to bully the reader into thinking the writer represents consensus. If anyone ever catches me lapsing into the “we” voice, please slap me.
[quote comment=\”310206\”][quote comment=\”310204\”]I believe someone already mentioned it, but I figured I\’d confirm. David\’s design for the Inaugural Season patch were indeed much nicer than the actual one to be used. But, there is a rule against any sort of sponsorship on uniforms in Major League Baseball so the word \”Citi\” could not be used even though its part of the title \”Citi Field.\”[/quote]
What did the Tiger’s do when Comerica Park opened? Or similar stadiums?[/quote]
This is the best pic I could find of the Comerica Park patch:
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[quote comment=”310187″]”While watching a rebroadcast of the 1982 Grey Cup…” What, did you lose a bet or something?[/quote]
Actually, I was just flipping through the guide and stopped there for a few minutes. I wouldn’t want to relive any Eskimos Grey Cup win, although living near Edmonton I’m sure many of my neighbours were tuned in. 66, 89 or 07 Grey Cups, however, and I’d watch.
MLS draft is on ESPN2. They’re giving the picks some really neat scarfs with half a logo on both ends. If you wear the scarf with its center on the back of the neck the two halves meet to form a complete logo.
[quote comment=”310217″][quote comment=”310200″]I have NEVER seen anyone in a Competitive league wearing a LS shirt under a hoops jersey before.[/quote]
That kid who plays for Oklahoma, Tony Crocker, has been wearing a long-sleeved undershirt for most of this season:
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Wow…In the initial pics of the SOD unis on Nike’s dedicated website, some of the players were portrayed wearing LS shirts underneath, and they looked strange.
To me, they still do!
[quote comment=”310222″][quote comment=”310217″][quote comment=”310200″]I have NEVER seen anyone in a Competitive league wearing a LS shirt under a hoops jersey before.[/quote]
That kid who plays for Oklahoma, Tony Crocker, has been wearing a long-sleeved undershirt for most of this season:
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Wow…In the initial pics of the SOD unis on Nike’s dedicated website, some of the players were portrayed wearing LS shirts underneath, and they looked strange.
To me, they still do![/quote]
I love the SoD. I am kind of disappointed no one is wearing the long sleeves that the athletes initially modeled the Sod in:
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And I really liked the Olympic Swift SoD that the runners wore:
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a sneak peek of rickey henderson’s hall plaque
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Paul, at the beginning of the 2008 season, when the Rays introduced their new uniforms and logos, didn’t you mention that the “Rays” on the road jersey was just temporary to promote the new look? Will the road grays have “Tampa Bay” on them this year?
[quote comment=”310225″]Will the road grays have “Tampa Bay” on them this year?[/quote]
No.
[quote comment=”310224″]a sneak peek of rickey henderson’s hall plaque
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Damn near spot on.
[quote comment=”310210″][quote comment=”310203″][quote comment=”310197″]
You can’t say that because it’s inherently hypocritical. By saying that you basically imply that any and all safety equipment is unnecessary, which I doubt you really believe. I don’t know about you but I’m definitely afraid of dying in a car accident and I’m glad I have airbags etc.[/quote]
I actually am not worried about dying in a car accident, I am confident in my driving ability, and awareness that I can avoid most dangerous situations. That being said, I know that there are exceptions to that statement, there might be something that I cannot avoid. It is the same with sports, you may get some minor scratches and scrapes, or you may get some broken bones or torn ligaments. However, death and catastrophic injuries are the exceptions. If you are that afraid of an activity, avoid it, plain and simple.[/quote]
Again, this logic is reactive. since death is rare, why don’t we just go back to baseball players not wearing helmets at the plate or hey, I’ll let you protect your head but not your ears by wearing a flapless helmet.
Ballplayers played for years using just the soft cap and injuries were rare.
Look, I NEVER wore a helmet riding a bike when I was young (no one did). But, if I were to get on a bike now, I know I’d wear one.[/quote]
Word. This is pretty much exactly how I feel on the subject. If it doesn’t hinder you, and it protects you, why the hell not.
Brooks,
You’ve mentioned how apparently only catastrophic injuries scare you, and that’s great, but a lot of people like to avoid injuries that, although not life threatening, might be very painful or scaring. A mouth piece might not save my life, but if it saves me a couple of broken teeth, I’m for it.
Duck, that’s the way you choose to live your life that is fine. I do not know how the conversation has drifted to every day life, and away from athletic endeavors. When dealing with sports, you cannot be afraid of injury and compete at a high level. I dislocated my shoulder my junior year of college, our trainers told me I would have to wear a brace to play, the brace hindered my movement, and I chose not to wear it. The same injury happened again my senior year; I missed only two games through the two seasons, and continued to play through the injury. You can’t be afraid to be hurt; if you are then you shouldn’t be playing sports.
[quote comment=”310134″]Yeah, the Yankees logo and pinstripe tattoo was cool, but I liked his Timberland Field Boots better.
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BTW…I have found a HIGH SCHOOL wearing Nike SOD unis.
Mount Vernon High School outside of NYC is a national power and has been outfitted by Nike for some time now. I was reading my local paper yesterday and saw these pics:
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Notice this shooter wearing long sleeves:
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Their opponent, White Plains, has been outfitted by Nike for years as well. It was this just this year that they went with Wilson as their outfitter. A serious downgrade, if you ask me!
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I’m wondering whether any of the other HS national powers have gone to the SOD unis.[/quote]
My old high school had SOD uniforms last season.
[quote comment=”310229″]Duck, that’s the way you choose to live your life that is fine. I do not know how the conversation has drifted to every day life, and away from athletic endeavors. When dealing with sports, you cannot be afraid of injury and compete at a high level. I dislocated my shoulder my junior year of college, our trainers told me I would have to wear a brace to play, the brace hindered my movement, and I chose not to wear it. The same injury happened again my senior year; I missed only two games through the two seasons, and continued to play through the injury. You can’t be afraid to be hurt; if you are then you shouldn’t be playing sports.[/quote]
When I go to bed tonight I am praying to Brooks. He sounds like superman.
[quote comment=”310229″]Duck, that’s the way you choose to live your life that is fine. I do not know how the conversation has drifted to every day life, and away from athletic endeavors. When dealing with sports, you cannot be afraid of injury and compete at a high level. I dislocated my shoulder my junior year of college, our trainers told me I would have to wear a brace to play, the brace hindered my movement, and I chose not to wear it. The same injury happened again my senior year; I missed only two games through the two seasons, and continued to play through the injury. You can’t be afraid to be hurt; if you are then you shouldn’t be playing sports.[/quote]
Yeah, but there are plenty of people — including, but not limited to, most kids — who are only competing at the recreational level, not a “high level.”
I’m not coming down on one side or the other regarding the bunting hand-guard; I’m just saying that reductive blanket statements like “You can’t be afraid to be hurt; if you are then you shouldn’t be playing sports” don’t address the full spectrum of people who are playing and therefore do little to advance the discussion.
Zippers!
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Not afraid to bunt – but playing recreational hard ball – I’d rather swing away. I’m paying for these at bats. Who am I kidding – I wouldn’t beat it out anyway.
But back to the topic of heart guards and the like, I’m thinking that’s good stuff for kids to be wearing – but as an adult, I never worn stuff like that. Although, I do have a firm wrist guard for the inside of the glove hand. Playing 3rd base on an unkempt HS field is enough of a danger.
[quote comment=”310231″][quote comment=”310229″]Duck, that’s the way you choose to live your life that is fine. I do not know how the conversation has drifted to every day life, and away from athletic endeavors. When dealing with sports, you cannot be afraid of injury and compete at a high level. I dislocated my shoulder my junior year of college, our trainers told me I would have to wear a brace to play, the brace hindered my movement, and I chose not to wear it. The same injury happened again my senior year; I missed only two games through the two seasons, and continued to play through the injury. You can’t be afraid to be hurt; if you are then you shouldn’t be playing sports.[/quote]
When I go to bed tonight I am praying to Brooks. He sounds like superman.[/quote]
To
Bill BraskyBrooks! A ten-foot-tall, two-ton son of a bitch who could eat a hammer and take a shotgun blast standing![quote comment=”310232″][quote comment=”310229″]Duck, that’s the way you choose to live your life that is fine. I do not know how the conversation has drifted to every day life, and away from athletic endeavors. When dealing with sports, you cannot be afraid of injury and compete at a high level. I dislocated my shoulder my junior year of college, our trainers told me I would have to wear a brace to play, the brace hindered my movement, and I chose not to wear it. The same injury happened again my senior year; I missed only two games through the two seasons, and continued to play through the injury. You can’t be afraid to be hurt; if you are then you shouldn’t be playing sports.[/quote]
Yeah, but there are plenty of people — including, but not limited to, most kids — who are only competing at the recreational level, not a “high level.”
I’m not coming down on one side or the other regarding the bunting hand-guard; I’m just saying that reductive blanket statements like “You can’t be afraid to be hurt; if you are then you shouldn’t be playing sports” don’t address the full spectrum of people who are playing and therefore do little to advance the discussion.[/quote]
I’ll come down on one side because I actually side with leagues who enforce protective gear.
Brooks, if your son or daughter or relative gets killed because you find it “unmanly” (or whatever excuse you want to use) to wear protective gear that saves lives, don’t complain. Got it?
And I’m not singling you out. I just am responding to your situation above. You played hurt, and that’s fine. But don’t put my child in the line of fire because you can take a bullet.
How many deaths are acceptable for someone to start wearing protective gear? How many children should die from a line drive to the chest or a puck to the head for you to find it acceptable that we provide protection? What number of deaths would make wearing protective gear acceptable in your world?
The exceptions are why protection is put in place. No one wants a death on their conscience when they are supposed to be mentoring children.
Once a child progresses into adulthood, they can take whatever risks he/she likes with his/her own life. That’s what being an adult is about, despite how stupid that sounds. But for someone to criticize protecting children from possible death when they are to be learning and having fun?
WOW.
Flame away if you like. I’m fully prepared to mock whatever it is anyone wants to say in exposing any child to death.
[quote comment=”310233″]Zippers!
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I couldn’t agree more.
[quote comment=”310223″][quote comment=”310222″][quote comment=”310217″][quote comment=”310200″]I have NEVER seen anyone in a Competitive league wearing a LS shirt under a hoops jersey before.[/quote]
That kid who plays for Oklahoma, Tony Crocker, has been wearing a long-sleeved undershirt for most of this season:
link
Wow…In the initial pics of the SOD unis on Nike’s dedicated website, some of the players were portrayed wearing LS shirts underneath, and they looked strange.
To me, they still do![/quote]
I love the SoD. I am kind of disappointed no one is wearing the long sleeves that the athletes initially modeled the Sod in:
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And I really liked the Olympic Swift SoD that the runners wore:
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Tony Crocker of OU has been wearing long sleeves this year…not quite the SOD style, but long sleeves none-the-less (pics 10 & 12).
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[quote comment=”310238″][quote comment=”310223″][quote comment=”310222″][quote comment=”310217″][quote comment=”310200″]I have NEVER seen anyone in a Competitive league wearing a LS shirt under a hoops jersey before.[/quote]
That kid who plays for Oklahoma, Tony Crocker, has been wearing a long-sleeved undershirt for most of this season:
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Wow…In the initial pics of the SOD unis on Nike’s dedicated website, some of the players were portrayed wearing LS shirts underneath, and they looked strange.
To me, they still do![/quote]
I love the SoD. I am kind of disappointed no one is wearing the long sleeves that the athletes initially modeled the Sod in:
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link
And I really liked the Olympic Swift SoD that the runners wore:
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Tony Crocker of OU has been wearing long sleeves this year…not quite the SOD style, but long sleeves none-the-less (pics 10 & 12).
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my bad! i totally missed the reference from the prior posts…sorry.
[quote comment=”310230″][quote comment=”310134″]Yeah, the Yankees logo and pinstripe tattoo was cool, but I liked his Timberland Field Boots better.
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BTW…I have found a HIGH SCHOOL wearing Nike SOD unis.
Mount Vernon High School outside of NYC is a national power and has been outfitted by Nike for some time now. I was reading my local paper yesterday and saw these pics:
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link
Notice this shooter wearing long sleeves:
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Their opponent, White Plains, has been outfitted by Nike for years as well. It was this just this year that they went with Wilson as their outfitter. A serious downgrade, if you ask me!
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I’m wondering whether any of the other HS national powers have gone to the SOD unis.[/quote]
My old high school had SOD uniforms last season.[/quote]
What school?
Has Ben’s number always been on the stripe or off to the side?
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The Steelers definitely still have an off season basketball team, in fact they have had one since the 60’s. In fact one memorable game I attended was held shortly after Super Bowl XIII. The Steelers basketball team played the basketball team from the Dallas Cowboys! Quite a few big names played. Lynn Swann, Franco Harris, Mel Blount, Drew Pearson, Randy White to name a few. It was even held at the Civic (Mellon now) Arena. It drew probably 10-12,000 people! If memory serves me correct, the Cowboys won to avenge their loss in the Super Bowl. Somewhere at my parents house they undoubtably still have 8mm movies of the game.
When did the MLB rule about similarly-colored alts go into effect? And has it been discussed here? I totally missed it.
And what counts as similar colors? Can the Cubs & Brewers wear their alts in the same game? Astros & Reds? White Sox & Indians?
I think the question I have, Teebz (since we’re in Hockey Wingers, and we are allies, right?) is…where does the line get drawn on protective equipment?
You and I both know that Jacques Plante got a whole bunch of crap for wearing that simple fiberglass mask back in the 50’s, so I still think that “sports protection” is a constantly evolving thing.
I just worry that we’re overprotecting children. I don’t want my children to die from a line drive (link) but I worry that “accidents” such as these are making things too safe.
Where do we draw the line?
The hand protector we all feel is sorta silly, I think. You’re supposed to bunt with your fingers anyway, aren’t you?
I agreed with Brooks earlier, but I don’t want to be lumped in to the Doug Stanhope-style “let kids die overpopulation is rampant” black hole that its sort of spiraling into…
I just wonder where we draw the line. Thats all. I think thats an honest question.
[quote comment=”310242″]The Steelers definitely still have an off season basketball team, in fact they have had one since the 60’s. In fact one memorable game I attended was held shortly after Super Bowl XIII. The Steelers basketball team played the basketball team from the Dallas Cowboys! Quite a few big names played. Lynn Swann, Franco Harris, Mel Blount, Drew Pearson, Randy White to name a few. It was even held at the Civic (Mellon now) Arena. It drew probably 10-12,000 people! If memory serves me correct, the Cowboys won to avenge their loss in the Super Bowl. Somewhere at my parents house they undoubtably still have 8mm movies of the game.[/quote]
Steelers basketball team played our local Penn State Behrend mens team back in 2006. I have vague memories of them playing against Edinboro University in the early 90’s.
From the Pirates’ announcement of their promotional schedule, the only throwbacks they mention…
Excellent…one step closer to my dreams…
Tony, you’d have loved the 1992 TBTC game at Three Rivers against the Giants, where they wore 1939 uniforms. (IIRC, Barry Bonds’ 1993 Topps card shows him from that game.) There was also one in 1993 against the Reds where both teams were in 1925 garb. It’s probably no coincidence that those jerseys are hanging in the club at PNC Park.
[quote comment=”310244″]I think the question I have, Teebz (since we’re in Hockey Wingers, and we are allies, right?) is…where does the line get drawn on protective equipment?
You and I both know that Jacques Plante got a whole bunch of crap for wearing that simple fiberglass mask back in the 50’s, so I still think that “sports protection” is a constantly evolving thing.
I just worry that we’re overprotecting children. I don’t want my children to die from a line drive (link) but I worry that “accidents” such as these are making things too safe.
Where do we draw the line?
The hand protector we all feel is sorta silly, I think. You’re supposed to bunt with your fingers anyway, aren’t you?
I agreed with Brooks earlier, but I don’t want to be lumped in to the Doug Stanhope-style “let kids die overpopulation is rampant” black hole that its sort of spiraling into…
I just wonder where we draw the line. Thats all. I think thats an honest question.[/quote]
The question is honest, but so is the reality that no one wants to bury their child. What’s right is not always popular, and what’s popular is not always right.
As dumb as the bunting protection is, it’s meant to protect fingers. In much the same way that people thought Jacques Plante’s mask “removed the identity of the goalie”, it is being used to prolong the career of the athlete. Hockey was his meal ticket, so why shouldn’t he protect himself as much as he can when he’s on the job? You don’t see constructions workers in sandals, so why should a guy stopping the puck not be able to protect himself in order to prolong his career?
David Branch, the Commish of the OHL, handed down a rule yesterday link or the helmet of another player during an altercation, effective today.
He’s the same guy who has (1) made neckguards mandatory in his league, (2) endorsed and supported the move for all leagues to have mandatory visors, (3) instituted a two-minute penalty for any contact with the head during a bodycheck, incidental or not, (4) handed out suspensions longer than any Commissioner in history regularly, including suspending a coach/GM for over a year for telling his players to start a brawl, and (5) now made removing your helmet a suspendable offence.
The IIHF enforces anyone under the age of 18 to wear a full cage for insurance purposes at the World Junior Championships. They don’t want to deal with the problem, so they outlaw people from taking matters into their own hands. Since they’d be the ones to be blamed if anything happens, they have that right, and I endorse and fully support it.
The line in the sand in amateur and junior sports is drawn everytime we step onto the field, pitch, court, rink, whatever. Until someone is a “professional”, personal safety and development of skills should be the penultimate priority of any commissioner, president, head honcho, big cheese, etc.
Otherwise, you sign a waiver for all accidents, mishaps, deaths, and anything else, and you can’t blame anyone for dying except yourself. That way, when link comes knocking at your door, you can tell him that you didn’t need protection from anyone.
OK add “Lady Gamecocks” to “Lady Rams” and “Lady Bulls” as bizarre non-feminine female sports teams.
[quote comment=”310241″]Has Ben’s number always been on the stripe or off to the side?
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i may be mistaken but i believe all single digit Steelers have the number on the stripe…so yes it’s always been on the stripe
[quote]Until someone is a “professional”, personal safety and development of skills should be the penultimate priority of any commissioner, president, head honcho, big cheese, etc.[/quote]
the top priority, of course, is to make sure the reebok logo is as big a possible
[quote comment=”310246″]From the Pirates’ announcement of their promotional schedule, the only throwbacks they mention…
Excellent…one step closer to my dreams…
Tony, you’d have loved the 1992 TBTC game at Three Rivers against the Giants, where they wore 1939 uniforms. (IIRC, Barry Bonds’ 1993 Topps card shows him from that game.) There was also one in 1993 against the Reds where both teams were in 1925 garb. It’s probably no coincidence that those jerseys are hanging in the club at PNC Park.[/quote]
I don’t know man, I just think the team really needs a brand new identity. Not “Rays” style, but sort of, you know? Knowing the Bucs, they’re not going to keep that uniform forever.
David Branch, the Commish of the OHL, handed down a rule yesterday that stated that all players will be punished with a one-game suspension if they remove their helmets or the helmet of another player during an altercation, effective today.
May sound like a dumb question, but wouldn’t they bust their fingers trying to punch the guy in the head? Even though I still think fighting is pointless ;-)
[quote comment=”310249″][quote comment=”310241″]Has Ben’s number always been on the stripe or off to the side?
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i may be mistaken but i believe all single digit Steelers have the number on the stripe…so yes it’s always been on the stripe[/quote]
yup…stillers have the single digit on the front stripe … giants too (see kerry collins);
as well as the rear stripe of stillers helmet too (and giants)
[quote comment=”310252″]David Branch, the Commish of the OHL, handed down a rule yesterday that stated that all players will be punished with a one-game suspension if they remove their helmets or the helmet of another player during an altercation, effective today.
May sound like a dumb question, but wouldn’t they bust their fingers trying to punch the guy in the head? Even though I still think fighting is pointless ;-)[/quote]
…especially with visors becoming so commonplace.
I agree wholeheartedly that a player should be suspended for removing an opponent’s helmet, but I don’t like the rule about getting suspended for removing your own.
I’m of the opinion that if you throw a punch while wearing a helmet, it should result in a suspension. It’s up to the other guy if he wants to retaliate, but if he does, he should have a clear target.
I don’t know man, I just think the team really needs a brand new identity. Not “Rays” style, but sort of, you know? Knowing the Bucs, they’re not going to keep that uniform forever.
They need better players, and a better owner. I can do without the alternates, but the regular uniforms are fine.
[quote comment=”310254″][quote comment=”310252″]David Branch, the Commish of the OHL, handed down a rule yesterday that stated that all players will be punished with a one-game suspension if they remove their helmets or the helmet of another player during an altercation, effective today.
May sound like a dumb question, but wouldn’t they bust their fingers trying to punch the guy in the head? Even though I still think fighting is pointless ;-)[/quote]
…especially with visors becoming so commonplace.
I agree wholeheartedly that a player should be suspended for removing an opponent’s helmet, but I don’t like the rule about getting suspended for removing your own.
I’m of the opinion that if you throw a punch while wearing a helmet, it should result in a suspension. It’s up to the other guy if he wants to retaliate, but if he does, he should have a clear target.[/quote]
Which do you have a choice in preventing and which is easier to recover from – a broken hand or a concussion? You throw a punch, and the results are potentially one or the other. So how do you stop both? By not throwing punches.
The OHL is a developmental league. Not once have a heard a fifteen year-old kid state that he wanted to be like Semenko, Domi, or Probert when he was drafted by a CHL team. If you aren’t developing enforcers, why allow it at all?
David Branch sees it this way, and I agree with him. Defend the honour of fighting in hockey all you want, but it only belongs in the NHL or AHL. It does not belong in developmental junior leagues whatsoever.
The 1970s Saints had a basketball team that played a lot of games locally for fundraisers against school faculties and the like. My favorite player was 5’5″ RB Howard Stevens, who was a tremendous b-baller !!! He was a great and beloved Saint for the 1-2 years he played here, lightning quick and by far the smallest guy on the field, and of course he was traded away to the Bert Jones -era Colts for who-little-knows-what that amounted to nothing !!!
If I remember right they wore their Black game jerseys for one game that I attended where they played against a high school faculty. Because they rarely wore their black jerseys during the early 1970s it was a real treat for me, and being able to admire their pro jerseys up-close in a b-ball game, particularly the black jerseys that we rarely got to even see, was probably a great influence upon my uni-centric future.
[quote comment=”310255″]I don’t know man, I just think the team really needs a brand new identity. Not “Rays” style, but sort of, you know? Knowing the Bucs, they’re not going to keep that uniform forever.
They need better players, and a better owner. I can do without the alternates, but the regular uniforms are fine.[/quote]
Pirates need to remember the best of what they once were. Stick with the basics of the 1960 look they have now, for example. Or update the mustard hat set. Even the “We Are Family” multiples. Those were pinnacle Pirate teams. Lose anything with red, anything with pinstripes. It’s an historic franchise, getting all trendy and cute hasn’t served them well lately, especially those red vests. Just downright dumb.
—Ricko
Sorry, I have to post this whevener I mention the Pirates’ red vests. Can’t seem to help myelf, LOL.
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That’s Gene Autry in THE PHANTOM EMPIRE, the sci-fi western Saturday cliffhanger that made him a star in the 1935.
—Ricko
The Raiders and Niners both had basketball teams in the early 80s and I saw them both play the faculty of my high school in the school gym. Can’t remember the Niners uniforms but the Raider’s were black with some silver stars on ’em, IIRC.
I’ll never forget Art Shell lumbering up and down the court.
BTW, anyone remember the hilarity that was Donkey Basketball?
[quote comment=”310229″]Duck, that’s the way you choose to live your life that is fine. I do not know how the conversation has drifted to every day life, and away from athletic endeavors. When dealing with sports, you cannot be afraid of injury and compete at a high level. I dislocated my shoulder my junior year of college, our trainers told me I would have to wear a brace to play, the brace hindered my movement, and I chose not to wear it. The same injury happened again my senior year; I missed only two games through the two seasons, and continued to play through the injury. You can’t be afraid to be hurt; if you are then you shouldn’t be playing sports.[/quote]
Yeah, but there’s a big difference between doing what you describe and the evolution of protective gear.
For instance, you are 100% right in that you can’t go out and be afraid of injury. Surely something like the brace you describe, well, it hindered your performance and opted out of wearing it.
That being said, I was never getting behind the plate to play catcher without wearing my cup. In all my years of playing ball I was probably hit in the “special area” a handful of times. With those odds I should have just went back behind the dish without it right?
Wrong! No chance in hell. Not a chance I was willing to take.
[quote comment=”310256″][quote comment=”310254″][quote comment=”310252″]David Branch, the Commish of the OHL, handed down a rule yesterday that stated that all players will be punished with a one-game suspension if they remove their helmets or the helmet of another player during an altercation, effective today.
May sound like a dumb question, but wouldn’t they bust their fingers trying to punch the guy in the head? Even though I still think fighting is pointless ;-)[/quote]
…especially with visors becoming so commonplace.
I agree wholeheartedly that a player should be suspended for removing an opponent’s helmet, but I don’t like the rule about getting suspended for removing your own.
I’m of the opinion that if you throw a punch while wearing a helmet, it should result in a suspension. It’s up to the other guy if he wants to retaliate, but if he does, he should have a clear target.[/quote]
Which do you have a choice in preventing and which is easier to recover from – a broken hand or a concussion? You throw a punch, and the results are potentially one or the other. So how do you stop both? By not throwing punches.
The OHL is a developmental league. Not once have a heard a fifteen year-old kid state that he wanted to be like Semenko, Domi, or Probert when he was drafted by a CHL team. If you aren’t developing enforcers, why allow it at all?
David Branch sees it this way, and I agree with him. Defend the honour of fighting in hockey all you want, but it only belongs in the NHL or AHL. It does not belong in developmental junior leagues whatsoever.[/quote]
I’m not saying anything about honor. I’m just saying that if a guy is looking to get into a scrap, maybe he’ll think twice about it if he knows he’s not going to have the benefit of protective headgear.
And I’m not just talking about the OHL. I’m also talking about the AHL & NHL.
Jumping in late on CFL numbers:
40’s were ineligible until a couple of seasons ago. Then 40’s were made eligible (Robert Edwards wore 47 with Montreal at running back). But if you check out old CFL footage on You Tube, you will see offensive linemen wearing 40’s.
I guess at one time, 70’s were the standard numbers for receivers even though 80s were also eligible. I remember that both of Warren Moon’s best receivers wore 70 and 77 even though both were Americans (As I recall). Today it seems as if American players perfer 80s and Canadian players prefer 70s.
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I’m not saying anything about honor. I’m just saying that if a guy is looking to get into a scrap, maybe he’ll think twice about it if he knows he’s not going to have the benefit of protective headgear.
And I’m not just talking about the OHL. I’m also talking about the AHL & NHL.[/quote]
That wasn’t meant for you, JTH. I was simply making the point that developmental leagues don’t need fighting whatsoever.
The AHL, in its defence, has mandatory visors for all players. However, all the players understand that you remove the helmet as a sign of respect for the other player. Visor on, helmet off in a fight. The same thing happens in the NHL.
Again, the OHL – a league of teenagers – need the protection that Branch is handing down. Teenagers on the best of days rarely do what’s in the interest of safety, so this is a good move in my view.
Here’s a team picture of the Seahawks Basketball team, circa late seventies. a.k.a. The Rainhawks
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[quote comment=”310142″]I couldn’t disagree more with Brooks. The reason that they have things like heart guards (for example) is because kids got killed by line drives. I didn’t get killed – and neither did Brooks. But that doesn’t mean the equipment is worthless.
Sure, kids should learn proper hand positioning when bunting – but the lesson for doing it wrong shouldn’t be broken fingers and perhaps even permanently damaged fingers. I bet when you get plunked on that Asics pad and that pads mashes your fingers into the aluminum, it’ll hurt plenty. But it’ll hurt without the threat of permanent damage.[/quote]
It’s all about lawsuits. Kid gets whacked with a ball or bat, overprotective parent screams for lawyer.
link is a Google-translated version of the Japanese Under Armour article.
I’m watching a high school basketball game on ESPN2, and South Atlanta has an odd color combination: baby blue and purple. Sorry, no screen caps.
Evgeni Nabokov has a new mask with a paintjob that matches the Sharks’ black alternates. I’ll try to get a screencap.
anyone looking for “man of steal”…i apologize…that’s supposed to be saturday’s post…
don’t know WHAT happened (other than i fucked up)…sorry…
i thought i had this interwebs thing figured out
/all apologies
stephen colbert just had a diatribe about the mets’ and yankees’ stadium patches for next year. brilliant stuff…
The Flames’ coaches are wearing the memorial decal on link.
link may be an early look at Manchester United’s jerseys for next year. Very Star-Trek. Sorry for the double-post.
P.S. Still working on an image of Nabby’s new hat.
[quote comment=”310277″]link may be an early look at Manchester United’s jerseys for next year. Very Star-Trek. Sorry for the double-post.
P.S. Still working on an image of Nabby’s new hat.[/quote]
But, on second thought, I don’t think it is. Those little bits of white at the bottom of the sleeve were a uniform element used by Nike a few years ago on most of their uniforms. I doubt they’d re-use them. Also, the chevron is almost an exact copy of Mexico’s last shirt with Nike, which it just so happens, also had the same sleeve element.
Here you’ll find the new MLS 09/10 soccer jerseys
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[quote comment=”310276″]The Flames’ coaches are wearing the memorial decal on
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thank you