Death, Taxes, and Wagner Blowing the Save

Nice to see the total absence of alternate jerseys last night. Home whites for the AL, grays for the NL. Despite the few pairs of white shoes and the continuing ridiculousness of the pajama pants, and Manny’s hair, the teams looked pretty good last night.

i thought MLS folded, how are they gonna wear the patch

The Philadelphia Kixx play in MISL, an indoor soccer league. Philly is getting an MLS team in 2010 however.

PAUL:
I saw one of the Braves players last night with the solid alternate blue hat on. I thought this hat was only to be worn with the navy alternate road tops?????

TCU’s throwbacks might be one of the best college uniforms, but they also have some new Blue-Jays inspired black alternates that may be the worst. At last count, I believe they have four different tops they can wear.

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So I picked up NCAA Football 09 yesterday, scrolling through the teams to see the uniforms, and stumbled across something funny. Every school’s uniforms sets are described by the top color, or top and pants color when the pant aren’t the normal school color. (White top, White and Red, etc. for my Miami University RedHawks). There’s the occasional unitard design (all orange or all purple for Clemson, all black for a bunch of teams) but what was great is that Florida State’s all black set is called the Unconquered set. Why? Because that’s what it says on the right leg of their pants. Way to go FSU, once again you’ve made yourselves look ridiculous.

I don’t know if any of you caught it…and I don’t have the ability to screen-cap it, so I’m hoping someone else might be able to.

During FOX’s pre-game Red Carpet thing yesterday, whenever they’d go to commercial, they’d play clips of various NY personalities and their memories of Yankee Stadium. Somewhere around 6:40 (I think) there was one with Rudy Giuliani. He says something like “My favorite memory of Yankee Stadium…I think it ….” When he pauses there, he furrows his brow…and I swear the vertical lines between his eyebrows formed the Yankees ‘NY’ logo! I backed up the DVR and yelled for my wife… “Holy Shit. That’s crazy” she said…so it wasn’t just me being burned out from a shitty day at work…she saw it too.

Did anyone else catch that?

[quote comment=”280249″]Nice to see the total absence of alternate jerseys last night. Home whites for the AL, grays for the NL. Despite the few pairs of white shoes and the continuing ridiculousness of the pajama pants, and Manny’s hair, the teams looked pretty good last night.[/quote]

Except for the sand/cream road color of the Pads.

[quote comment=”280263″]I don’t know if any of you caught it…and I don’t have the ability to screen-cap it, so I’m hoping someone else might be able to.

During FOX’s pre-game Red Carpet thing yesterday, whenever they’d go to commercial, they’d play clips of various NY personalities and their memories of Yankee Stadium. Somewhere around 6:40 (I think) there was one with Rudy Giuliani. He says something like “My favorite memory of Yankee Stadium…I think it ….” When he pauses there, he furrows his brow…and I swear the vertical lines between his eyebrows formed the Yankees ‘NY’ logo! I backed up the DVR and yelled for my wife… “Holy Shit. That’s crazy” she said…so it wasn’t just me being burned out from a shitty day at work…she saw it too.

Did anyone else catch that?[/quote]

CORRECTION…I didn’t mean 6:40…it was somewhere around 7:40. Somewhere around the time that Spike Lee was talking to the announcers.

Thats weird … I always thought Rudy had a 666 on his forehead.

[quote comment=”280270″][quote comment=”280267″][quote comment=”280263″]I don’t know if any of you caught it…and I don’t have the ability to screen-cap it, so I’m hoping someone else might be able to.

During FOX’s pre-game Red Carpet thing yesterday, whenever they’d go to commercial, they’d play clips of various NY personalities and their memories of Yankee Stadium. Somewhere around 6:40 (I think) there was one with Rudy Giuliani. He says something like “My favorite memory of Yankee Stadium…I think it ….” When he pauses there, he furrows his brow…and I swear the vertical lines between his eyebrows formed the Yankees ‘NY’ logo! I backed up the DVR and yelled for my wife… “Holy Shit. That’s crazy” she said…so it wasn’t just me being burned out from a shitty day at work…she saw it too.

Did anyone else catch that?[/quote]

CORRECTION…I didn’t mean 6:40…it was somewhere around 7:40. Somewhere around the time that Spike Lee was talking to the announcers.[/quote]

I turned it off at that point.

Seriously, when he started plugging his self-designed New Era cap that he was wearing, that’s all I needed to hear.[/quote]

I can’t remember if Rudy was before or after Spike Lee…I just know it was somewhere right around there.

[quote comment=”280263″]I don’t know if any of you caught it…and I don’t have the ability to screen-cap it, so I’m hoping someone else might be able to.

During FOX’s pre-game Red Carpet thing yesterday, whenever they’d go to commercial, they’d play clips of various NY personalities and their memories of Yankee Stadium. Somewhere around 6:40 (I think) there was one with Rudy Giuliani. He says something like “My favorite memory of Yankee Stadium…I think it ….” When he pauses there, he furrows his brow…and I swear the vertical lines between his eyebrows formed the Yankees ‘NY’ logo! I backed up the DVR and yelled for my wife… “Holy Shit. That’s crazy” she said…so it wasn’t just me being burned out from a shitty day at work…she saw it too.

Did anyone else catch that?[/quote]
That’s almost Charles Manson-esque in its level of freakiness.

[quote comment=”280255″]PAUL:
I saw one of the Braves players last night with the solid alternate blue hat on. I thought this hat was only to be worn with the navy alternate road tops?????[/quote]

I’m not Paul, but I can answer this. Both Brian McCann and Chipper Jones were wearing the Braves navy alternate cap last night. They have been wearing this cap more and more lately. I am not sure that it has become their official road cap, but it seems like that may be the case. They have been mixing and matching caps and jerseys all year.

~E~

[quote comment=”280272″]I also believe that George Sherrill of the Orioles was wearing his “road cap” (with the orange bill) with his home jersey last night…[/quote]

sherrill had the right hat on. orange brim is the home hat. it is a solid black for the road. he should have been the mvp. his two scoreless innings went virtually unnoticed. it was his longest outing of the year. can’t wait to see “baltimore” on the jersey next year.

[quote comment=”280255″]PAUL:
I saw one of the Braves players last night with the solid alternate blue hat on. I thought this hat was only to be worn with the navy alternate road tops?????[/quote]

The Braves have worn the blue alternate road cap with the gray uniforms in a couple of games this season. It was odd that they went with it for the all-star game, but the decision may have been made the Braves folks to showcase them for merch purposes, similar to their decision to wear the road alts for the Sunday night opener against Washington to begin the season.

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paul,
don’t know if he has been mentioned, but mike fitzgerald also went brimless. link

[quote comment=”280272″]I also believe that George Sherrill of the Orioles was wearing his “road cap” (with the orange bill) with his home jersey last night…[/quote]

Orioles home cap has orange bill.
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Road cap is all black
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Batting helmet is all black, for home and road

[quote comment=”280276″]Speaking of the all-star game … is Steinbrenner so afraid of the paying public that there are four fat security guards on the golf cart on which he rides to give the first-pitch balls to Berra, Gossage, Jackson, and Ford?[/quote]

I wouldn’t be surprised if half of them had been medical personnel.

Why should he be afraid? The public loves him. The deification of Steinbrenner has begun, where all his misdeeds are being forgotten and his triumphs repeated. See “O’Malley, Walter.”

[quote comment=”280258″][quote comment=”280256″][quote comment=”280249″]Nice to see the total absence of alternate jerseys last night. Home whites for the AL, grays for the NL. Despite the few pairs of white shoes and the continuing ridiculousness of the pajama pants, and Manny’s hair, the teams looked pretty good last night.[/quote]

That’s the best thing about the All-Star game in recent years: that the home team wears white and the road team wears gray. Somehow all seems right with baseball when that tradition is maintained.[/quote]

Really wish other sports wore their reglar home/road unis for All Star Games. Gives fan chances to see the unis of teams they rarely see. NHL/NFL/NBA All star unis haven’t been good in a while.[/quote]

The NHL teams wear their normal uniforms during the Skills Competition. However, the NHL All-Star Game is a money-whoring festival of corporate sponsorship, so the NHL chooses to dress the players in a brand-new, normally-hideous jersey. You know, so the fans have to buy an All-Star jersey instead of just a patch.

What was up with the HOFers and their caps? Mays wore a batting practice cap, Aparicio’s looked like a golf cap, Boggs’ looked like a replica. Were they all in the gift shop during batting practice?

[quote comment=”280278″]Paul –

Read your column about All Star uni’s on ESPN.com. Thought I’d share another unique uni related All Star story. In the 2002 game in Miller park (the infamous tie game), Robin Yount and Ozzie Smith were named honorary captians in recognition of the 20th anviersary of the 2002 World Series. They were given ’82 authentics to wear. At the time Yount was a coach for the Brewers, so he elected to wear his real uniform (he complained that the uni was not authentic(which he wore on the AL bench, as the Brewers were in the AL in ’82).

Since the throwback powder blue intended for Yount was not being used, Robin Ventura wore it during batting practice.

No picture, but a blurb about it is here –> link

Yount is officially The Man for refusing to wear the poorly executed throwback. I wonder how many guys in his position would even notice that the stripes on the pants were not right.

[quote comment=”280288″][quote comment=”280264″]Did I see Gary Carter out there during the pre-game festivities wearing an Expos cap???[/quote]

Although you couldn’t see it well from the camera angle, he also held up a Mets cap. Dave Winfield did the same thing with a Yanks lid.

Anybody else — and no, I haven’t gone back to read the comments on yesterday’s thread — upset with the decision to give the HOF’ers such ugly caps? Firstly… adjustable backs? How low rent. Also, what’s up with making them wear today’s versions of the caps, like McCovey wearing the ugly Giants alt “G” cap?[/quote]

That was the one which surprised me. All of the others wore the current primary caps of their respective HOF teams.

I presume that they did that to de-emphasize the “San Francisco” part of the Giants, play up their New York history?

[quote comment=”280290″][quote comment=”280287″]
The NHL teams wear their normal uniforms during the Skills Competition. However, the NHL All-Star Game is a money-whoring festival of corporate sponsorship, so the NHL chooses to dress the players in a brand-new, normally-hideous jersey. You know, so the fans have to buy an All-Star jersey instead of just a patch.[/quote]

excellent point, teebz, but why doesn’t the nhl do it the opposite (ala baseball) and have the moneygrabbing, hideous-whoring special jersey for the competition/skills, and then the regular sweater for the game? do more people actually watch the game?[/quote]

No, but the All-Star Game is the major event for corporate sponsors, and the NHL normally gives tickets to those sponsors for free to fill the seats and sell the product. In selling the product, the NHL highlights the All-Star Game to the corporations, while the Skills Competition is more for the fans.

I’d prefer to see home versus road, but that will never happen as long as someone with no hockey business sense is running the league.

[quote comment=”280274″]From the article about Vandy’s new football unis:

“Commodore coaches, players and football staffers collaborated with Nike uniform experts on the 2008 design, which features black, gold and white options for both jerseys and pants.”

It’s look like a freakin’ Nike template to me. What the hell is unique or distinctive about that uniform? I can see the questionnaire now: would you like to look more or less like Wake Forest?; would you like the Illinois template, but in Wake Forest colors?[/quote]

I couldn’t agree more. As a Vandy alum, I am consistently disappointed with the uniform choices the football team makes. That new gold color is so much less distinctive than their previous gold unis. Since it seems they totally revamp their uniforms about every two years, I guess there’s hope that they’ll come out with a better uni for 2010.

I don’t know if any of you caught it…and I don’t have the ability to screen-cap it, so I’m hoping someone else might be able to.

Did anyone else catch that?

I screen capped it. I could see where you’d pick out the “NY”, though it looked more like a “W” to me at first glance.

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[quote comment=”280276″]Speaking of the all-star game … is Steinbrenner so afraid of the paying public that there are four fat security guards on the golf cart on which he rides to give the first-pitch balls to Berra, Gossage, Jackson, and Ford?[/quote]

I’m pretty sure 2 of those men on the cart were his son Hal and his son-in-law.

[quote comment=”280299″]I don’t know if any of you caught it…and I don’t have the ability to screen-cap it, so I’m hoping someone else might be able to.

Did anyone else catch that?

I screen capped it. I could see where you’d pick out the “NY”, though it looked more like a “W” to me at first glance.

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that is some freaky shit…and here i originally thought he had a swastika-shaped furrow…perhaps it changes for his target audience?

I’m glad the Uni Watch archives are back up. After watching footage from the ’06 ASG, I consulted the archives to recall why everyone was wearing yellow wristbands – in honor of Roberto Clemente of course.

Many thanks to Mark Rybczyk and Paul for featuring my alma mater’s sweet baseball unis! I feel I’ve failed my school by not noticing their throwbacks though. I told you guys, purple isn’t all that bad!!

And “top ranked” might be stretching the truth a little bit…they’ve won the Mountain West Conference and made the regionals for a few years now, but the CWS has alluded them.

Maybe if Guiliani didn’t write on his forehead with a blue dry erase marker people wouldn’t notice it so much.

[quote comment=”280306″]I didn’t get to watch any coverage or even highlights of the AS game last night, so I don’t know the context for the Statue on Parade auction email I got from MLB.com today, but Holy Crap, link are heinous. And 8.5 feet tall?? Starting bid $5k??[/quote]

Think I could get $50 if I painted a miniature Liberty Bell to look like Mrs. Butterworth?

Hey, I wouldn’t be being commericial, it would be a totally patriotic gesture.

[quote comment=”280286″]Quote of the Year:

“…so I tried not to get all Uni Watch on him…”

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-Jet[/quote]

I’m still partial to: “Fuck this, I’ll make my own motherfucking stirrups.”

[quote comment=”280293″][quote comment=”280288″][quote comment=”280264″]Did I see Gary Carter out there during the pre-game festivities wearing an Expos cap???[/quote]

Although you couldn’t see it well from the camera angle, he also held up a Mets cap. Dave Winfield did the same thing with a Yanks lid.

Anybody else — and no, I haven’t gone back to read the comments on yesterday’s thread — upset with the decision to give the HOF’ers such ugly caps? Firstly… adjustable backs? How low rent. Also, what’s up with making them wear today’s versions of the caps, like McCovey wearing the ugly Giants alt “G” cap?[/quote]

That was the one which surprised me. All of the others wore the current primary caps of their respective HOF teams.

I presume that they did that to de-emphasize the “San Francisco” part of the Giants, play up their New York history?[/quote]

From last night’s comments:
[quote comment=”280033″][quote comment=”280027″][quote]Willie Mays wore a Giants cap during tonight’s All-Star festivities with a “G” logo on it. Pretty smart. NY? SF? How do you choose?[/quote]

I may be wrong, but I think he does that for all public appearances baseball-related.[/quote]

That’s the same cap he wears at AT&T Park. He’s there with the team all the time, and always in the Giant’s BP cap. Could be an elegant solution, or could be he just likes his regular cap.[/quote]

And it was Mays, not McCovey. McCovey never played in NY.

[quote comment=”280310″][quote comment=”280292″][quote comment=”280264″]Did I see Gary Carter out there during the pre-game festivities wearing an Expos cap???

Well, at least he can’t piss them off with anything that comes out of his mouth.[/quote]

Carter had both an Expos and Mets cap, and Winfield had both a Padres and Yankees cap. Though it appeared Boggs only had a Yankees cap.[/quote]

I’m sorry, but it still cheeses me that Carter won’t just accept that he was inducted as an Expo. It’s kind a big deal to those of us in Canada, as he’s the only person in the HOF from a Canadian team. We all know he was pissed that he wasn’t inducted a Met, but c’mon! Show some respect to a city that got the ass end of baseball’s business bullshit. Montrealers, whom were great fans, deserve it.[/quote]

Loath as I am to defend Carter, I got the sense that it was something for the hometown fans. Just like Dave Winfield holding up the Yankees cap. Didn’t bother me at all.

Now, if he had done the same thing in another city, I’d agree with you.

[quote comment=”280312″]Yeah, I don’t get the whole hoopla. Did he have problems with the Montreal orginization? I mean- its not like he’s from NY, and its some hometown dream of his.

Some of the Montreal teams he was on were damn good, too.

Even though I adopted the Mets as my second team when I was a kid during the early-mid 80s, I still think of Carter as an Expo.[/quote]

Carter preferred the New York cap because of his championship in New York. If you read old interviews with Carter around the time of his induction he would constantly say that he considered himself a Met and described his years in New York as “magnificent”. I dug up this quote from Carter:

“If the Expos are no longer in existence, how is that going to be beneficial to me and my family when we have an opportunity to be part of a family that will be around a long time? Everybody knows my feelings. But it wasn’t up to me.”

Ventura pic here!

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[quote comment=”280318″][quote comment=”280310″][quote comment=”280292″][quote comment=”280264″]Did I see Gary Carter out there during the pre-game festivities wearing an Expos cap???

Well, at least he can’t piss them off with anything that comes out of his mouth.[/quote]

Carter had both an Expos and Mets cap, and Winfield had both a Padres and Yankees cap. Though it appeared Boggs only had a Yankees cap.[/quote]

I’m sorry, but it still cheeses me that Carter won’t just accept that he was inducted as an Expo. It’s kind a big deal to those of us in Canada, as he’s the only person in the HOF from a Canadian team. We all know he was pissed that he wasn’t inducted a Met, but c’mon! Show some respect to a city that got the ass end of baseball’s business bullshit. Montrealers, whom were great fans, deserve it.[/quote]

and as a Mets fan, I’m glad he didn’t go in as a Met.[/quote]

save that honor for piazza

I think we might need to add the link to the FAQ… we have done that one numerous times, myself included! However, can’t say I don’t mind looking at those stripes!

Mays and McCovey were sitting because they both have arthritic knees from what I understand. That’s why Willie Mac had one of those “DreamSeats” recliners at last year’s Home Run Derby in San Francisco.

[quote comment=”280324″][quote comment=”280297″][quote comment=”280274″]From the article about Vandy’s new football unis:

“Commodore coaches, players and football staffers collaborated with Nike uniform experts on the 2008 design, which features black, gold and white options for both jerseys and pants.”

It’s look like a freakin’ Nike template to me. What the hell is unique or distinctive about that uniform? I can see the questionnaire now: would you like to look more or less like Wake Forest?; would you like the Illinois template, but in Wake Forest colors?[/quote]

I couldn’t agree more. As a Vandy alum, I am consistently disappointed with the uniform choices the football team makes. That new gold color is so much less distinctive than their previous gold unis. Since it seems they totally revamp their uniforms about every two years, I guess there’s hope that they’ll come out with a better uni for 2010.[/quote]

That gold with the white numbers is horrible, especially on sunny days and on TV. Purdue had the exact same gold, with those numbers and it was putrid. Thankfully Purdue went back to black for home games.[/quote]

yeah, white on gold is not good….makes it very hard to ID the numbers from any kind of distance. it’s gonna drive tv and radio spotters crazy.

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[quote comment=”280303″][quote comment=”280299″]I don’t know if any of you caught it…and I don’t have the ability to screen-cap it, so I’m hoping someone else might be able to.

Did anyone else catch that?

I screen capped it. I could see where you’d pick out the “NY”, though it looked more like a “W” to me at first glance.

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that is some freaky shit…and here i originally thought he had a swastika-shaped furrow…perhaps it changes for his target audience?[/quote]
[quote comment=”280303″][quote comment=”280299″]I don’t know if any of you caught it…and I don’t have the ability to screen-cap it, so I’m hoping someone else might be able to.

Did anyone else catch that?

I screen capped it. I could see where you’d pick out the “NY”, though it looked more like a “W” to me at first glance.

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that is some freaky shit…and here i originally thought he had a swastika-shaped furrow…perhaps it changes for his target audience?[/quote]
Are you sure it didn’t say 9/11?

Why were there no Red Sox HOF’s represented last night? I thought Boggs was in the Hall as a BoSox? Was it because of the Red Sox/Yankees rivalry. It was good to see Kaline wearing the Olde English “D”. How ironic was it that a Red Sox player won the MVP at Yankee Stadium?

How bout these stripes out of the North Hills outside of Pittsburgh!

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and

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sorry for the large links, not good at html!

Apparently, after other searching, I found a picture from their pep rally and the away uni’s look more like the atlanta falcons jerseys! Also, I have some friends from the north hills and those aren’t ‘throwbacks,’ those are the actual jerseys from the early years, not replicas!

It looks like they also have extremely high NOB as you can see in the first picture…Maybe they all say ‘Indians?’ I’ll look for more.

[quote comment=”280337″]Here’s a good shot of Berkman wearing the gray spikes…

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David Wright in gray, too, wasn’t he.

[quote comment=”280341″]I’m going to sound like a crazy person, because I didn’t get a screenshot and I don’t know how to describe it, but I really want to know what it was:

Did anyone else notice that it both dugouts, against the back wall, there were charts with what looked like rules or descriptions of uniforms? There were different colored stars, and each had an oval underneath, with the oval looking almost like a pant leg schematic. In one close-up shot of Lou Pinella, I could see it over his shoulder, and I noticed the word “Outfielders” written below a group of about six of these star/oval designs, which led to me to uni-centric conclusion. (Of course, that could also be wishful thinking.)

But did anyone else see this?[/quote]

Any idea of around what inning you saw this? I have the game available.

[quote comment=”280343″][quote comment=”280340″][quote comment=”280337″]Here’s a good shot of Berkman wearing the gray spikes…

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David Wright in gray, too, wasn’t he.[/quote]

Aw,hell I was so tired by then I don’t know who it was. Someone in gray uni with royal trim was wearing gray nike with a shoksorb style heel. Think accent color on shoes was orange.[/quote]

Man, I’m still tired. ShockSorb is batting gloves. Shox is shoes.

[quote comment=”280341″]I’m going to sound like a crazy person, because I didn’t get a screenshot and I don’t know how to describe it, but I really want to know what it was:

Did anyone else notice that it both dugouts, against the back wall, there were charts with what looked like rules or descriptions of uniforms? There were different colored stars, and each had an oval underneath, with the oval looking almost like a pant leg schematic. In one close-up shot of Lou Pinella, I could see it over his shoulder, and I noticed the word “Outfielders” written below a group of about six of these star/oval designs, which led to me to uni-centric conclusion. (Of course, that could also be wishful thinking.)

But did anyone else see this?[/quote]

This is the best I could find:

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See the thing in the back? Look like what you’re talking about. No idea what it is.

[quote comment=”280346″][quote comment=”280341″]I’m going to sound like a crazy person, because I didn’t get a screenshot and I don’t know how to describe it, but I really want to know what it was:

Did anyone else notice that it both dugouts, against the back wall, there were charts with what looked like rules or descriptions of uniforms? There were different colored stars, and each had an oval underneath, with the oval looking almost like a pant leg schematic. In one close-up shot of Lou Pinella, I could see it over his shoulder, and I noticed the word “Outfielders” written below a group of about six of these star/oval designs, which led to me to uni-centric conclusion. (Of course, that could also be wishful thinking.)

But did anyone else see this?[/quote]

This is the best I could find:

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See the thing in the back? Look like what you’re talking about. No idea what it is.[/quote]

Is it a chart from the pregame pagentry to show the HoFers where to stand?

[quote comment=”280339″]never mind…looks like actual players NOB

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I could be wrong, but I think the deal with North Hills is that the style of stripes was their traditional look and at that time their NOB were all “INDIANS”. I remember this when Lavar Arrington was going there but I’m sure that look well pre-dates that era.

They upgraded their look as some point, but then went back to the older striped look recently and at that time they must have went to player NOB.

[quote comment=”280351″][quote comment=”280336″]How bout these stripes out of the North Hills outside of Pittsburgh!

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and

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sorry for the large links, not good at html!

Apparently, after other searching, I found a picture from their pep rally and the away uni’s look more like the atlanta falcons jerseys! Also, I have some friends from the north hills and those aren’t ‘throwbacks,’ those are the actual jerseys from the early years, not replicas![/quote]
Another thing, this is going to drive me CRAZY, who the hell are North Hills playing in that photo? What TROJANS are they? The reason I ask is that there are no AAAA WPIAL teams named Trojans. I went back to 1999 on epasports.com and they didn’t play any teams with the nickname TROJANS in ANY classification. There were no cases from ’99-07 where NH advanced out of the WPIAL playoffs to interdistricts so the point of non-WPIAL Trojans-named squads in moot.

I know that PGH North Catholic are named the Trojans but:

a. I thought their colors were yellow and red
b. They haven’t played them in a regular season game recently (They are a Class A school).
c. Yes, they could face-off against each other in preseason scrimmages but it doesn’t appear that’s the case because you can coaches on the sidelines.[/quote]
Never mind, I figured it out, it’s Erie McDowell. They aren’t technically a member of the WPIAL (they are in District 10) but they play all the teams in one of the WPIAL AAAA conferences. Forgot about that.

[quote comment=”280353″]The flat-brimmed, duck-hunting hat that George Sherrill had on and the way Edinson Volquez wears his hat both make Baby Jeebus cry.[/quote]

yes…the future of baseball ‘fashion’ is bleak indeed…and lets hope the brew crew’s habit of untucking as soon as the last out is recorded catches on too

[quote comment=”280354″][quote comment=”280353″]The flat-brimmed, duck-hunting hat that George Sherrill had on and the way Edinson Volquez wears his hat both make Baby Jeebus cry.[/quote]

yes…the future of baseball ‘fashion’ is bleak indeed…and lets hope the brew crew’s habit of untucking as soon as the last out is recorded catches on too[/quote]

I know that the Brewers hope it does. They are trying to get Ned Yost to do it. I was at the press conference the day of the Corey Hart “Beer Celebration” and one of the reporters asked Bill Hall about the untucking and if they are going to try to get Ned to do it.

[quote comment=”280358″][quote comment=”280357″]I know I’m a little late in referring back to Paul’s ESPN column, but I couldn’t help but notice how big a change occurred between the Johnnie Callison home run to win the ’64 game and the photos from the ’72 game 8 years later. Did anybody really think that garish, polyester uniforms look better than the classics worn by Callison and the other ’64 All-Stars? Wow. Some bad uni decision making by the powers that be…[/quote]

Color TV, my friend. Color TV…..[/quote]

and in the case of the astros…lysergic acid diethylamide

[quote comment=”280359″][quote comment=”280259″]So I picked up NCAA Football 09 yesterday, scrolling through the teams to see the uniforms, and stumbled across something funny. Every school’s uniforms sets are described by the top color, or top and pants color when the pant aren’t the normal school color. (White top, White and Red, etc. for my Miami University RedHawks). There’s the occasional unitard design (all orange or all purple for Clemson, all black for a bunch of teams) but what was great is that Florida State’s all black set is called the Unconquered set. Why? Because that’s what it says on the right leg of their pants. Way to go FSU, once again you’ve made yourselves look ridiculous.[/quote]

Supposedly, I have heard rumors that they”re not even black, but green!

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Well, I am glad to be able to give you a Uni-Watch report today…concerning the John Mayer concert at PNC Bank Arts Center last night…
NOTHING, except some idiot wearing an ASG Yankees 5950.

Rather ironic, don’t you think?[/quote]

a little too ironic

i really do think

[quote comment=”280358″][quote comment=”280357″]I know I’m a little late in referring back to Paul’s ESPN column, but I couldn’t help but notice how big a change occurred between the Johnnie Callison home run to win the ’64 game and the photos from the ’72 game 8 years later. Did anybody really think that garish, polyester uniforms look better than the classics worn by Callison and the other ’64 All-Stars? Wow. Some bad uni decision making by the powers that be…[/quote]

Color TV, my friend. Color TV…..[/quote]

Exactly. That and a trend toward, for literally the first time in American history, lots of color in men’s fashions, largely inspired by British rocks band and hippie fashions that later morphed on into the disco look. Doubleknit had its effect other than on the baseball diamond. It was the era of brightly colored or wildly striped bellbottoms, dye tied shirts and—even in all but the straightest of businesses—men wearing (ohmigod) shirts in colors like burgundy and purple and french blue instead of traditional white and oxford cloth blue. In a world of navy and gray suits, suddenly there was…plum…or powder blue.

Often it was hideous, sometimes it worked out great…just like MLB.

[quote comment=\”280340\”][quote comment=\”280337\”]Here\’s a good shot of Berkman wearing the gray spikes…

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David Wright in gray, too, wasn\’t he.[/quote]

Yes, David Wright wore grey Nike Shox MCS Fuse I believe:

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For a great breakdown of ASG cleats, check out Mark Mihalik\’s great new site, Player Exclusive.com:

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BTW, shouldn\’t his cleats have been base grey?:
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[quote comment=”280361″]Saw a lot of these types of jerseys (not Damon per se) over the past few days…

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I understand that you may not be able to shell out the $185 or whatever for the authentic model, but for god sakes get yourself a ripper and remove the damned name before you wear it out in public looking like a jackass.[/quote]

There’s been some noise that Hank is going to put NOBs on the Yanks. Maybe that Damon jersey is the canary in the coal mine.

[quote comment=”280368″][quote comment=”280361″]Saw a lot of these types of jerseys (not Damon per se) over the past few days…

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I understand that you may not be able to shell out the $185 or whatever for the authentic model, but for god sakes get yourself a ripper and remove the damned name before you wear it out in public looking like a jackass.[/quote]

There’s been some noise that Hank is going to put NOBs on the Yanks. Maybe that Damon jersey is the canary in the coal mine.[/quote]

josh,

i thought we put this to bed yesterday…the yanks are NEVER going to put NOB until MLB requires it

but then again, my sensibilities are shaken by the slightest defect

[quote comment=”280369″]Does any current MBL uni generate more apathy than the Rockies? On most unis I have an opinion (my own, of course, but I least HAVE one). The Rockies are just…eh.

Anyone else notice that? Or feel that? I mean, they just never get mentioned, one way or another (well, except for their vests that look they’re from a 1930’s Flash Gordon serial). They sorta the invisible team here at UniWatch.[/quote]

ricko

first of all, we’re not apathetic…we just don’t care

secondly, what color is the ‘base’ of the rockie uni? (even if it’s not always apparent)?

right…the color is taboo, so the uni sometimes gets treated with kid gloves

[quote comment=”280372″][quote comment=”280369″]Does any current MBL uni generate more apathy than the Rockies? On most unis I have an opinion (my own, of course, but I least HAVE one). The Rockies are just…eh.

Anyone else notice that? Or feel that? I mean, they just never get mentioned, one way or another (well, except for their vests that look they’re from a 1930’s Flash Gordon serial). They sorta the invisible team here at UniWatch.[/quote]

ricko

first of all, we’re not apathetic…we just don’t care

secondly, what color is the ‘base’ of the rockie uni? (even if it’s not always apparent)?

right…the color is taboo, so the uni sometimes gets treated with kid gloves[/quote]

Wasn’t thinking of any specific color issue. Just that even the posters don’t bring up the Rockies. It’s like, “Oh, yeah, the Rockies, they DO wear unis, don’t they; forgot about them.” Kinda like they define “nondescript”.

Regarding those TCU uniforms, they should show you that even purple, when used judiciously, is not really that evil of a color. But it’s easy to overdo it.

And may I just say this: I LOVE the Washington Huskies unis during the Warren Moon era. Yeah, they were a version of the ‘Niners…but the combo really worked well. White shoes, white high socks, definitely a look for their time…but a great look.

[quote comment=”280377″][quote comment=”280376″]Regarding those TCU uniforms, they should show you that even purple, when used judiciously, is not really that evil of a color. But it’s easy to overdo it.[/quote]

All right, show of hands.

Who’ll agree to the following?

No matter what, camo ranks lower than purple on the “oh, please” scale
(except for Padres; they invented it, and with good reason given their market)[/quote]

The Padres don’t get a pass just because they were the first ones to think of a new crass marketing gimmick.

It’s still a crass marketing gimmick.

[quote comment=”280370″][quote comment=”280368″][quote comment=”280361″]Saw a lot of these types of jerseys (not Damon per se) over the past few days…

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I understand that you may not be able to shell out the $185 or whatever for the authentic model, but for god sakes get yourself a ripper and remove the damned name before you wear it out in public looking like a jackass.[/quote]

There’s been some noise that Hank is going to put NOBs on the Yanks. Maybe that Damon jersey is the canary in the coal mine.[/quote]

josh,

i thought we put this to bed yesterday…the yanks are NEVER going to put NOB until MLB requires it

but then again, my sensibilities are shaken by the slightest defect[/quote]

Do you get so dizzy even walking in a straight line?

[quote comment=”280380″][quote comment=”280377″][quote comment=”280376″]Regarding those TCU uniforms, they should show you that even purple, when used judiciously, is not really that evil of a color. But it’s easy to overdo it.[/quote]

All right, show of hands.

Who’ll agree to the following?

No matter what, camo ranks lower than purple on the “oh, please” scale
(except for Padres; they invented it, and with good reason given their market)[/quote]

The Padres don’t get a pass just because they were the first ones to think of a new crass marketing gimmick.

It’s still a crass marketing gimmick.[/quote]

People of San Diego seem to have embraced it, and I guess that’s how it ought to be measured: Do the home fans like it? Intent shouldn’t be to start a national trend. And, of course, a big factor (HUGE facter) is how often they do it.

[quote comment=”280322″][quote comment=”280317″][quote comment=”280312″]Yeah, I don’t get the whole hoopla. Did he have problems with the Montreal orginization? I mean- its not like he’s from NY, and its some hometown dream of his.

Some of the Montreal teams he was on were damn good, too.

Even though I adopted the Mets as my second team when I was a kid during the early-mid 80s, I still think of Carter as an Expo.[/quote]

Carter preferred the New York cap because of his championship in New York. If you read old interviews with Carter around the time of his induction he would constantly say that he considered himself a Met and described his years in New York as “magnificent”. I dug up this quote from Carter:

“If the Expos are no longer in existence, how is that going to be beneficial to me and my family when we have an opportunity to be part of a family that will be around a long time? Everybody knows my feelings. But it wasn’t up to me.”[/quote]

I would’ve preferred he gone in as a Met – he is a complete embarrassment of a self-promoter who can’t shut his yap for more than a couple of seconds to take a breath. At least Andre Dawson was proud to have been an Expo, Carter is only proud when it suits him[/quote]

I saw him in 1999 at spring training walk up to Mark McGwire with an armful of stuff to sign while Mac was trying to get to BP. McGwire was so embarrassed, hell, I was embarrassed watching it. But not “the Kid”.

Regarding Uggla, he had a bad night, but hanging that last error on him was IMPO, unconscionable. Just making a bad night unnecessarily worse.

Gary Carter always struck as one of those people who is pretty smart, but not quite smart enough to know how stupid he really is.

[quote comment=”280367″][quote comment=”280365″][quote comment=”280357″]I know I’m a little late in referring back to Paul’s ESPN column, but I couldn’t help but notice how big a change occurred between the Johnnie Callison home run to win the ’64 game and the photos from the ’72 game 8 years later. Did anybody really think that garish, polyester uniforms look better than the classics worn by Callison and the other ’64 All-Stars? Wow. Some bad uni decision making by the powers that be…[/quote]

The A’s looked a million times better and so did the Phillies(although they didn’t have those SWEET powder blues until ’73), the Braves, the Brewers, the Pirates (and the Pirates didn’t have those GREAT uniforms until ’77) and the Padres.
The Expos who didn’t exist in ’64 had a fantastic uniform with powder blues on the road.

The Astros in ’72 wore a fairly mundane uniform.

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Saw Astros play Cardinals at Astrodome in ’73. Between the orange of one team and red of the other (still lots of stirrup showing in those days) it sure was a lot more colorful than watching the Twins play, say, the Yankees at the Metrodome these days.

Not saying better one way or another, but the visual experience is decidedly different. That can’t be denied.[/quote]

Then I’ll say it. The more colorful uniforms were better.

[quote comment=”280363″][quote comment=”280295″]I’d prefer to see home versus road, but that will never happen as long as someone with no hockey business sense is running the (National Hockey) league.[/quote]

It’s hard to justify that comment when league revenue has increased ~25% over the last three seasons.

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Revenue at NHL Enterprises, the league’s business arm, is up 40 percent, licensed merchandise sales have increased 15 percent.

Overall, total league revenue is at a high of $2.56 billion.

Revenue has increased approximately 25% in the post-lockout era.[/quote]

Most of that revenue increase is caused by the stronger Canadian dollar. This is hardly something that Bettman can take credit for. the majority of league revenue is generated by Canadian teams, but Bettman does everything he can to prop up struggling teams in markets tht don’t care about hockey

[quote comment=”280392″][quote comment=”280363″][quote comment=”280295″]I’d prefer to see home versus road, but that will never happen as long as someone with no hockey business sense is running the (National Hockey) league.[/quote]

It’s hard to justify that comment when league revenue has increased ~25% over the last three seasons.

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Revenue at NHL Enterprises, the league’s business arm, is up 40 percent, licensed merchandise sales have increased 15 percent.

Overall, total league revenue is at a high of $2.56 billion.

Revenue has increased approximately 25% in the post-lockout era.[/quote]

Most of that revenue increase is caused by the stronger Canadian dollar. This is hardly something that Bettman can take credit for. the majority of league revenue is generated by Canadian teams, but Bettman does everything he can to prop up struggling teams in markets tht don’t care about hockey[/quote]

revenue has increased 25% in the post-lockout era?

i should effin hope so…

im surprised it wasn’t 100%, although nothing times 2 is still nothing

that’s why statistics are bullshit…bettman is the WORST thing that could have happened to the actual sport of hockey…now..whether or not the revenues are greater, who cares? he was on mike and the maddog (radio show) here in NY (i think it was during or after the rangers-devils series) and he is an absolute MORON with little or no historical knowledge of his own sport

but…is he a good businessman…prolly…did he sell his (nhl’s) soul?

i’ll tell you what would get me interested in puck again…real fights

like the isles-flyers-canadians-maple leaf classics of the 1970s i grew up with…f all these european pussies they have in the league now

aight…it’s baseball season, so i’ll knock off the bettman rant till fall

[quote comment=”280392″][quote comment=”280363″][quote comment=”280295″]I’d prefer to see home versus road, but that will never happen as long as someone with no hockey business sense is running the (National Hockey) league.[/quote]

It’s hard to justify that comment when league revenue has increased ~25% over the last three seasons.

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Revenue at NHL Enterprises, the league’s business arm, is up 40 percent, licensed merchandise sales have increased 15 percent.

Overall, total league revenue is at a high of $2.56 billion.

Revenue has increased approximately 25% in the post-lockout era.[/quote]

Most of that revenue increase is caused by the stronger Canadian dollar. This is hardly something that Bettman can take credit for. the majority of league revenue is generated by Canadian teams, but Bettman does everything he can to prop up struggling teams in markets tht don’t care about hockey[/quote]

and if the Jets were still in Winnepeg, things would be even better

[quote comment=”280382″][quote comment=”280370″][quote comment=”280368″][quote comment=”280361″]Saw a lot of these types of jerseys (not Damon per se) over the past few days…

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I understand that you may not be able to shell out the $185 or whatever for the authentic model, but for god sakes get yourself a ripper and remove the damned name before you wear it out in public looking like a jackass.[/quote]

There’s been some noise that Hank is going to put NOBs on the Yanks. Maybe that Damon jersey is the canary in the coal mine.[/quote]

josh,

i thought we put this to bed yesterday…the yanks are NEVER going to put NOB until MLB requires it

but then again, my sensibilities are shaken by the slightest defect[/quote]

Do you get so dizzy even walking in a straight line?[/quote]

Very clever!!!Gordan Matthew Thomas Sumner

Why dio I know this…Matthew Thomas Peter Powers or as my friends know…MTPP, say the initials quickly, you”ll chuckle!

[quote comment=”280363″][quote comment=”280295″]I’d prefer to see home versus road, but that will never happen as long as someone with no hockey business sense is running the (National Hockey) league.[/quote]

It’s hard to justify that comment when league revenue has increased ~25% over the last three seasons.

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Revenue at NHL Enterprises, the league’s business arm, is up 40 percent, licensed merchandise sales have increased 15 percent.

Overall, total league revenue is at a high of $2.56 billion.

Revenue has increased approximately 25% in the post-lockout era.[/quote]

No, it’s quite easy to justify, actually. The salary cap has increased every year since the lockout, and now there are at least six teams losing money in the double-digit millions. The NYI, for example, lost $20-25 million last season under the cap.

There are approximately 10 teams who can afford to pay the players the maximum cap limit. The other 20 teams cannot. Is that parity? The top-earning teams are complaining that their profits are being eaten up by the bottom-earning teams, and the bottom-earning teams are complaining that they can’t turn a profit because they are paying out more money every single year to the players in terms of the minimum cap limit.

Don’t forget: the maximum cap limit when the NHL returned was $39 million. The minimum amount that teams can spend this year is $40 million and change.

Tying league revenue to player salaries (a stupid idea) is a farce because the league has never lost money the way its individual teams have. The league doesn’t spend money on player salaries – it simply makes sure to capitalize on every item sold with the NHL shield on it.

The teams, however, have to worry about ticket sales because they are gate-driven. No attendance + rising player salaries = red ink all over the place.

Gary Bettman tells us that arenas are playing to larger crowds. However, he’s pulling the wool over your eyes. The arenas are getting larger with every new one built, meaning there are more cheaper seats to be filler. The problem is that markets like Florida, Nashville, Atlanta, Phoenix, and Carolina can’t give tickets away to citizens there. Just because Toronto, Montreal, Pittsburgh, Philly, and the NYR are playing to near-capacity crowds doesn’t mean the league, as a whole, is doing well.

Economics was never Bettman’s strong suit, and every day that he tells you that the league is doing well is a crock.

Does the name “Boots” Del Baggio ring any bells? Who is responsible for the due diligence in researching the money being invested before the sale of the team is brought to the Board of Governors? The NHL. Who reports to the Board directly? Gary Bettman.

The guy is the world’s best spin doctor in the history of Earth. The NHL offices could be burning, and he’d tell you that it’s a minor heating problem.

[quote comment=”280399″][quote comment=”280388″]Gary Carter always struck as one of those people who is pretty smart, but not quite smart enough to know how stupid he really is.[/quote]

Huh?[/quote]

physician heal thyself

[quote comment=”280289″]What was up with the HOFers and their caps? Mays wore a batting practice cap, Aparicio’s looked like a golf cap, Boggs’ looked like a replica. Were they all in the gift shop during batting practice?[/quote]
More importantly, why was Wade Boggs wearing a Yankee cap when he played much longer in Boston? His HOF plaque has him wearing a Sox hat, so why is he wearing a MFY hat?

[quote comment=”280395″][quote comment=”280373″][quote comment=”280363″][quote comment=”280295″]I’d prefer to see home versus road, but that will never happen as long as someone with no hockey business sense is running the (National Hockey) league.[/quote]

It’s hard to justify that comment when league revenue has increased ~25% over the last three seasons.

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Revenue at NHL Enterprises, the league’s business arm, is up 40 percent, licensed merchandise sales have increased 15 percent.

Overall, total league revenue is at a high of $2.56 billion.

Revenue has increased approximately 25% in the post-lockout era.[/quote]

Thanks for posting those #s Dane. I am no Bettman Basher. Over the last several months of the season I was listening to the podcast of his one hour radio show from XM. This guy absolutely loves this game and is willing to try almost anything to increase the league’s image. I respect that.[/quote]
He’s clueless, hockey does not need to do everything it can to market itself, it was #3 solidly until he took over. Hes trying to put teams where they don’t belong, hes blocking sales of teams that would make sense so that his crook friends can get the teams instead. He has no control of the league, he “claims” to have not know that the corrupt kings ownership actually loaned money to the crooked group that bought Nashville. 3 months ago he confused Ace Bailey who died in 9-11 with Ace Bailey from the 1930’s who got his head smashed in, when in reference to his own leagues commercials on its own network..[/quote]

Number 3!? In Detroit maybe. Are you kidding me, in ’93? I think not. It was #4 then, and probably still is, but it’s about 10 years away from being #5 if more big owners get involved in the MLS.

[quote comment=”280406″][quote comment=”280395″][quote comment=”280373″][quote comment=”280363″][quote comment=”280295″]I’d prefer to see home versus road, but that will never happen as long as someone with no hockey business sense is running the (National Hockey) league.[/quote]

It’s hard to justify that comment when league revenue has increased ~25% over the last three seasons.

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Revenue at NHL Enterprises, the league’s business arm, is up 40 percent, licensed merchandise sales have increased 15 percent.

Overall, total league revenue is at a high of $2.56 billion.

Revenue has increased approximately 25% in the post-lockout era.[/quote]

Thanks for posting those #s Dane. I am no Bettman Basher. Over the last several months of the season I was listening to the podcast of his one hour radio show from XM. This guy absolutely loves this game and is willing to try almost anything to increase the league’s image. I respect that.[/quote]
He’s clueless, hockey does not need to do everything it can to market itself, it was #3 solidly until he took over. Hes trying to put teams where they don’t belong, hes blocking sales of teams that would make sense so that his crook friends can get the teams instead. He has no control of the league, he “claims” to have not know that the corrupt kings ownership actually loaned money to the crooked group that bought Nashville. 3 months ago he confused Ace Bailey who died in 9-11 with Ace Bailey from the 1930’s who got his head smashed in, when in reference to his own leagues commercials on its own network..[/quote]

Number 3!? In Detroit maybe. Are you kidding me, in ’93? I think not. It was #4 then, and probably still is, but it’s about 10 years away from being #5 if more big owners get involved in the MLS.[/quote]
hockey was bigger than hoops from the time hoops started until jordan took over. Jordan pulled hoops on par with hockey and them came bettman to drive the nails into the coffin.

[quote comment=”280322″]I would’ve preferred he gone in as a Met – he is a complete embarrassment of a self-promoter who can’t shut his yap for more than a couple of seconds to take a breath. At least Andre Dawson was proud to have been an Expo, Carter is only proud when it suits him[/quote]

While Carter is extremely egotistical and selfish, he was proud of his Montreal days. He wanted to stay with the Expos his entire career. He moved to Montreal. He learned French when ownership asked him to (probably for self-serving reasons of marketability, sure, but still…), and he felt betrayed by the Expos when they traded him.

[quote comment=”280411″][quote comment=”280409″]”hockey was bigger than hoops from the time hoops started until jordan took over”? Where, on Earth Two? Certainly not is U.S. here on Earth One.

I will grant that hockey can point to Howe and Hull as mainstream legends during that time, but basketball can claim, among plenty of others, Mikan, Russell, Chamberlain, Abdul-Jabbar, Irving, Bird, Johnson…[/quote]
I was not talking about individuals, I’m talking about the leagues, the NHL was bigger then the NBA until the Jordan explosion of the NBA. Remember prior to MJ the NBA finals we played on *late* night tape delays.[/quote]
And in a good part of the U.S. at that time, hockey wasn’t on TV at all.

[quote comment=”280411″][quote comment=”280409″]”hockey was bigger than hoops from the time hoops started until jordan took over”? Where, on Earth Two? Certainly not is U.S. here on Earth One.

I will grant that hockey can point to Howe and Hull as mainstream legends during that time, but basketball can claim, among plenty of others, Mikan, Russell, Chamberlain, Abdul-Jabbar, Irving, Bird, Johnson…[/quote]
I was not talking about individuals, I’m talking about the leagues, the NHL was bigger then the NBA until the Jordan explosion of the NBA. Remember prior to MJ the NBA finals we played on *late* night tape delays.[/quote]

I don’t care. It’s gotta be a regional thing then because not even the old timers around here talk about old hockey games, but I here them talkin hoops all the time. Hockey was number 3 in their dreams, or like I said earlier, maybe in Detroit.

[quote comment=”280414″][quote comment=”280411″][quote comment=”280409″]”hockey was bigger than hoops from the time hoops started until jordan took over”? Where, on Earth Two? Certainly not is U.S. here on Earth One.

I will grant that hockey can point to Howe and Hull as mainstream legends during that time, but basketball can claim, among plenty of others, Mikan, Russell, Chamberlain, Abdul-Jabbar, Irving, Bird, Johnson…[/quote]
I was not talking about individuals, I’m talking about the leagues, the NHL was bigger then the NBA until the Jordan explosion of the NBA. Remember prior to MJ the NBA finals we played on *late* night tape delays.[/quote]

I don’t care. It’s gotta be a regional thing then because not even the old timers around here talk about old hockey games, but I here them talkin hoops all the time. Hockey was number 3 in their dreams, or like I said earlier, maybe in Detroit.[/quote]

Here hear!

so i missed the game last night, what was wrong with Dan Uggla?

[quote comment=”280419″][quote comment=”280412″][quote comment=”280411″][quote comment=”280409″]”hockey was bigger than hoops from the time hoops started until jordan took over”? Where, on Earth Two? Certainly not is U.S. here on Earth One.

I will grant that hockey can point to Howe and Hull as mainstream legends during that time, but basketball can claim, among plenty of others, Mikan, Russell, Chamberlain, Abdul-Jabbar, Irving, Bird, Johnson…[/quote]
I was not talking about individuals, I’m talking about the leagues, the NHL was bigger then the NBA until the Jordan explosion of the NBA. Remember prior to MJ the NBA finals we played on *late* night tape delays.[/quote]
And in a good part of the U.S. at that time, hockey wasn’t on TV at all.[/quote]

well said, mr. greenlee

i also fail to see how a league that had only 6 teams until like 1967 was more popular than hoops…although to be fair…neither sport was very popular at all, what with football and baseball…they were almost ‘time fillers’ to get us from late fall/early winter until spring[/quote]

And there is the real truth of it. Neither was big, relatively speaking.

In defense of my earlier point, how could basketball get so many more mainstream legends without the NBA being popular than the NHL? Would seem to be impossible.

I do give the NHL credit for expanding properly. Given their small number of original teams, creating an entire new division was brilliant. It established instant new rivalries among those teams, between the new teams against the storied teams and, equally as important, guaranteed an expansion team would play in the Stanley Cup finals, and it stayed that way for a number of years. Looked really stupid at the time but, long term, was a master stroke.

[quote comment=”280418″]so i missed the game last night, what was wrong with Dan Uggla?[/quote]

Well, that’s what it must have felt like.

Here’s the real story:
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[quote comment=”280369″]Does any current MBL uni generate more apathy than the Rockies? On most unis I have an opinion (my own, of course, but I least HAVE one). The Rockies are just…eh.

Anyone else notice that? Or feel that? I mean, they just never get mentioned, one way or another (well, except for their vests that look they’re from a 1930’s Flash Gordon serial). They sorta the invisible team here at UniWatch.[/quote]

Their uni has always seemed to me unfinished, more of a sketch of a uni than a uni. And the black vest with black undershirt just violates basic principles of style. Didn’t we decide here a while back that their “Flash Gordon” look should be called the “Ace Frehley”?
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The Rockies biggest mistake is their logo. A cap logo should never initialize the city/state/region AND the nickname. Looks dumb. Plus, the C and R don’t blend well together.

Think of the possibilities with a simple or stylized C.

Also, like my Twins, pinstripes on road grays just looks wrong.

Hi everybody. First-time poster, long-time lurker.

Yount is officially The Man for refusing to wear the poorly executed throwback. I wonder how many guys in his position would even notice that the stripes on the pants were not right.

We long-time Brewers fans have considered Yount The Man for quite some time. Some of us even joined Uni Watch by putting Yount’s 19 from his first MVP season on the card …

For the “Animal House” fans among us: In a 1999 Brewers promotional ad he did the full D-Day: Rode his motorcycle up a stairway — ostensibly in the Brewers’ front office — played the “William Tell Overture” on his neck, made the whistling noise.

but then again, my sensibilities are shaken by the slightest defect

Very clever!!!Gordan Matthew Thomas Sumner

Uniform buffs who also make relatively obscure references to The Police? I have come to the right place. For you guys:

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The CD/DVD release won’t surprise you, but I love Stewart’s quote about Sting’s “lute thing.”

REALITY CHECK:

That OKC Barons page is not real. No decision has been announced yet. The uniform design seen there was submitted to the OKC paper weeks ago by a reader.

[quote comment=”280428″]Hi everybody. First-time poster, long-time lurker.
[/quote]

welcome aboard, tom

/they would kill me for a cigarette
but I don’t even wanna die just yet

Not sure if anybody mentioned this already, but I just looked at the New Era 59fifty w/ the Allstar patch the players wore last night on lids.com and it says that they’re made of wool, not the polyester like the regular 59fifty’s that they wear now. Just thought that is kinda weird. Any thoughts?

I never intended to say the Rockies unis were bad looking or good looking, more that they’re just…there. They don’t illicit strong negatives or positives, wouldn’t seem likely to finish on anyone’s top five list, but not on anyone’s bottom five, either.

Except for, again, those black vests.

So I just saw link picture on Page2 and was wondering what on earth is on Jason Varitek’s legs here? I presume something to do with catching. Maybe knee braces he slides on over his pants while behind the plate? Anyone?

[quote comment=”280429″]Not to be outdone, in the AAA All Star Game, Rochester Red Wing Darnell McDonald is wearing an Indianapolis Indians batting helmet.[/quote]

I saw a couple of hitters in that one. The Pawtucket Red Sox uni had patches on both sleeves and on the left chest. Guy looked almost NASCAR-esque.

[quote comment=”280420″][quote comment=”280419″][quote comment=”280412″][quote comment=”280411″][quote comment=”280409″]”hockey was bigger than hoops from the time hoops started until jordan took over”? Where, on Earth Two? Certainly not is U.S. here on Earth One.

I will grant that hockey can point to Howe and Hull as mainstream legends during that time, but basketball can claim, among plenty of others, Mikan, Russell, Chamberlain, Abdul-Jabbar, Irving, Bird, Johnson…[/quote]
I was not talking about individuals, I’m talking about the leagues, the NHL was bigger then the NBA until the Jordan explosion of the NBA. Remember prior to MJ the NBA finals we played on *late* night tape delays.[/quote]
And in a good part of the U.S. at that time, hockey wasn’t on TV at all.[/quote]

well said, mr. greenlee

i also fail to see how a league that had only 6 teams until like 1967 was more popular than hoops…although to be fair…neither sport was very popular at all, what with football and baseball…they were almost ‘time fillers’ to get us from late fall/early winter until spring[/quote]

And there is the real truth of it. Neither was big, relatively speaking.

In defense of my earlier point, how could basketball get so many more mainstream legends without the NBA being popular than the NHL? Would seem to be impossible.

I do give the NHL credit for expanding properly. Given their small number of original teams, creating an entire new division was brilliant. It established instant new rivalries among those teams, between the new teams against the storied teams and, equally as important, guaranteed an expansion team would play in the Stanley Cup finals, and it stayed that way for a number of years. Looked really stupid at the time but, long term, was a master stroke.[/quote]

the NBA finals were on tape delays until 82. Most people thought of the NBA until the 80’s as nothing but a league of pot smoking tall freaks. The league was in trouble until johnson/bird, and exploded with Jordan. Hockey was drawing full houses in almost every game until bettman arrived and diluted the talent by moving the game south. In chicago hawks tickets *were* harder to get than bears tickets. Bettman f’d everything up with his lets go to the sunbelt idea. there shouldnt be any teams south of St louis. Basketball is falling back into irrelevance as hockey did in the 90’s until now. its bigger now, but at the rate its having scandals that might not last.

do these look like good attendace figueres?
link the celtics were averaging under 8,300/game into the 70s. The entire NHL averaged 13847 for the entire season in 73.
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Look at the numbers for any of the years before the jordan era the NHL was outdrawing the NBA by a wide margin per game. Only the bulls had over a 10,000/game avarage in 73. there were tmeas in teh NBA getting 5000/game, and the NBA areans held more people than the NHL ones since most were used for both and they added floor seating for basketball since the court is so much smaller then the ice surface.

[quote comment=”280347″][quote comment=”280346″][quote comment=”280341″]I’m going to sound like a crazy person, because I didn’t get a screenshot and I don’t know how to describe it, but I really want to know what it was:

Did anyone else notice that it both dugouts, against the back wall, there were charts with what looked like rules or descriptions of uniforms? There were different colored stars, and each had an oval underneath, with the oval looking almost like a pant leg schematic. In one close-up shot of Lou Pinella, I could see it over his shoulder, and I noticed the word “Outfielders” written below a group of about six of these star/oval designs, which led to me to uni-centric conclusion. (Of course, that could also be wishful thinking.)

But did anyone else see this?[/quote]

This is the best I could find:

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See the thing in the back? Look like what you’re talking about. No idea what it is.[/quote]

I do have an idea… might it be the chart of how they’re supposed to line up before the game when being announced? It looks like a drawing of all the players.

I’d suppose such a chart would exist somewhere?[/quote]

Wow. Thanks a bunch for the screenshot, as well as the excellent theory. The Pinella shot, I think, happened when Marmol was in the game, so the 13th inning. But that’s exactly what I was talking about. Appreciate it.

[quote comment=”280449″][quote comment=”280444″]“In Chicago [Blackhawks] tickets were harder to get than bears tickets.”[/quote]

Yeah, go on and blame Bettman for that, will you? It was Bill Wirtz’s damn fault he was stuck in the 1970’s with his policy of not televising home games (except for the playoffs on pay-per-view) and not even knowing how to properly promote a team. His son, Rocky has done better, planning to telecast all 82 games and getting the Winter Classic to The Friendly Confines of Wrigley Field where they will more than likely break out the vintage 1940’s barber pole unis for that game, as will the 1928 Red Wings duds as well. Oh, did I tell you that licensed items have gone up in Blackhawk Country, too?[/quote]
umm, never said that was wirtz’ fault, the point was the tix were incredibly hard to get because they were popular.