Big thanks to everyone who attended last night’s Uni Watch party in San Francisco. Looking forward to fun tonight in Dallas (the Ginger Man Pub, 7:30pm).
Meanwhile: I recently got an interesting note from reader John English. “Found a YouTube link to some late-season and World Series footage of the 1929 Cubs,” he wrote. “The Series footage is toward the end of the clip and features the Cubs against the eventual champion A’s. But what’s the big black circle the A’s are wearing on their backs?”
The video, which was shot on a home movie camera, is amazing — check it out. The “big black circle” English is referring to isn’t easy to spot, but you can see it as a dark splotch on the backs of some jerseys at the 2:49, 3:09, and 3:14 marks of the video.
I didn’t know what to make of this, so I consulted longtime Uni Watch comrade-in-arms Tom Shieber, who curates the Hall of Fame’s Dressed to the Nines online exhibit. He solved the mystery in relatively short order. Here’s his analysis:
This was a fun one to research. I wasn’t aware of this video but really enjoyed watching it. The “1929 World Series” billing, however, is incomplete. The park is definitely Wrigley Field, but not all of this footage is from the 1929 World Series.
Here’s my research: In 1929, the Cubs’ wishbone “C” had an image of a bear cub inside it. In 1930, however, they used “UBS” inside the wishbone “C” to fashion the word “CUBS.” The footage from 00:30 to 00:43 fairly clearly shows the Cubs wearing the 1930 design. This was the first clue to me that the video showed more than just 1929 World Series.
From about 1:05 to 1:42 or so, you can see the Cubs carrying a flag and, right behind them, a club that definitely has something on the back of their jerseys. The next clip, from 1:43 to 2:05, shows that what the players had been carrying was a “Champions / National League / 1929” pennant, and it’s being raised on the flagpole next to the scoreboard. Note that at the top of the scoreboard, it shows that the “CUBS” are playing “BOSTON.” Also, New York is at Pittsburgh (game in progress around the 6th inning or so), Brooklyn is at Cincinnati, and Philadelphia is at St. Louis.
Put everything together and it’s clear that this footage is from Flag Day (June 21) in 1930. The Cubs paraded toward centerfield with the 1929 NL pennant, followed by the visiting club, the Boston Braves, who in 1929 and 1930 wore their Indian head logo on the back of their jerseys [remember, most teams weren’t yet wearing uni numbers at this point — PL]. Indeed, a quick check of Retrosheet shows that on June 21, 1930, the clubs noted above all played one another. Indeed, the partial linescore for the Giants/Pirates game even matches up. [”¦]
From 2:06 to 2:37, the two teams then parade back to the infield, the Cubs on the third base side, and the Braves on the first base side. From 2:38 to 3:14 or so is various action from that days doubleheader. You can even see Cubs southpaw pitcher Bud Teachout deliver a pitch from 3:11 to 3:14.
Soon afterward, the footage switches to pregame and game action from the 1929 World Series. Note that at 3:29, the bunting you’d expect to see at the World Series [which was absent at the 3:07 mark] is clearly visible. The rest of the film appears to indeed be from the 1929 World Series at Wrigley Field, though I am not sure if it’s Game One (October 8) or Game Two (October 9).
So the “big black circle” was actually the Braves’ rear-jersey Indian head logo. That’s another one of those uniform details that I had only seen depicted in illustration templates, never in an actual photograph. In fact, if not for the “Dressed to the Nines” templates, I probably wouldn’t even be aware of the Indian head (it’s not shown in the Marc Okkonen book on which the “Dressed to the Nines” templates are based). When I mentioned this to Tom, he pointed me toward this photo. Thus endeth the lesson, at least for today.
Uni Watch News Ticker: South Carolina’s football teams will be outfitted by Under Armour next season (thanks to Jim Lichty). ”¦ Good shot of a hockey helmet outfitted with a football mask here (not quite as good a photo as this, but still”¦). ”¦ Excellent article here about the new U.S. Army uniforms. ”¦ The Indiana Ice of the USHL wore Colts-themed helmets on Tuesday night (with thanks to Chad Stegemiller). ”¦ Last week I reported that the Chargers and Dolphins might be tweaking their logos. The Chargers have now confirmed that news (with thanks to JoJo Tarantino for the link). ”¦ Joshua Eisenberg notes that Gregg Easterbrook’s latest “Tuesday Morning Quarterback” column included the following note from one of Easterbrook’s readers: “My alma mater, the College of St. Scholastica in Duluth, is poised to make its DIII debut in 2008. ”¦ [C]heck the cool-looking helmet. The obvious question: How can you have a scuffed-up, battle-worn helmet when your team has never played a down?” ”¦ Great catch by Fernando Fuentevilla, who notes that this photo appears to show Norv Turner wearing Raiders shorts with his 49ers shirt. ”¦ Anyone know why the Ducks and Sharks both wore white at home during this week’s home-and-home series?
link an official statement from Coach Spurrier about the Under Armour switch. It’s in the middle of the quote list.
I think the logo on the shorts is really the NFL Equipment logo thats on every piece of equipment link
I do not think that Norv Turner is wearing Raider shorts. They look to be the same shorts Alex Smith is wearing and that logo appears to be the NFL Equipment shield.
Agreed with posts two and three. Smith is wearing the same shorts, and the Raiders’ logo is not as thin and sleek as the NFL Equipment logo.
I photographed a high school hockey game, and do you know what I first noticed when I looked at the goalie? That’s right: the curved blocker.
Thanks a lot, people. Now I have to notice these things.
I think it may be easy to overlook one of the most interesting quotes of that Chargers article:
“Steeg said any changes would not involve powder blue.”
That’s not the link. If you look at Alex Smith’s shorts you can see the same logo. I’m guessing they’re generic Equipment NFL shorts.
I guess the NFL wasn’t too upset with the link after all…
Speaking of football masks on hockey helmets, anyone remember Ellis Valentine wearing link.
Found this shot on link. Lots of time can be spent there. Be careful.
Something happend with the link. The site I was mentioning is link
[quote]You can even see Cubs southpaw pitcher Bud Teachout deliver a pitch from 3:11 to 3:14.[/quote]
The pitcher at this part of the video has a black dot on his uniform, so he would be a Brave instead a Cub. Going by the 1930 Braves roster, the lefty is either Tom Zachary, Bill Sherdel, Ed Brandt, or Johnny Cooney. (I can’t confirm which one since retrosheet doesn’t list the losing pitcher for either game of the doubleheader, which the Cubs swept)
The obvious question: How can you have a scuffed-up, battle-worn helmet when your team has never played a down?
They likely had a football program, but played outside of the NCAA, possibly in the NAIA.
From the same “YouTube” user that posted the ’29 world series footage there are also these two great clips:
link and
link
Old news in todays paper. They just seem more ready to do it now. link.
link
Paul, I’ve emailed both the Sharks and Ducks about the white-at-home games. While no official reason is posted on either website, I would hazard a guess that since the Ducks and Sharks are close to one another in terms of locales, that may have had something to do with it.
If I get a response from either team, I’ll post it here.
[quote comment=”52799″]From the same “YouTube” user that posted the ’29 world series footage there are also these two great clips:
link and
link[/quote]
To add to my own comment…
It appears that there are definatley some “monochromatic” uniforms in the Bears/Cardinals footage.
Interesting also to see all the stripes present on the hockey unis–the other team appears to be the Leafs (from what I can tell on the chest logo, but I could be wrong). I also love the pre-zamboni ice cleaning.
Why do the Boston Braves have pilgrim hats on the sleeves of their jerseys? Seems to be out of theme to me.
Then again, I’m fine with sharks that play hockey and dolphins wearing football helmets, but still…
[quote comment=”52799″]From the same “YouTube” user that posted the ’29 world series footage there are also these two great clips:
link and
link[/quote]
It’s pretty obvious that the Blackhawks are in the dark uniforms… but what’s that team in the white? The arm- and leg-striping pattern would suggest the Boston Bruins, but from what I can see of the crest, it doesn’t appear to be a Bruins “B”.
One of the YouTube commenters suggested the visitors were the Toronto St. Pats (who became the Maple Leafs,) but could that logo be Detroit’s “Winged Wheel”?
DOS A CERO! Muhahahaha!
Fantastic game for the US over Mexico last night. I do kind of like the Mexican kepper Osvaldo Sanchez’s link and the US Kit is a classic.
[quote comment=”52800″]Old news in todays paper. They just seem more ready to do it now.
link.[/quote]
Tampa still has a baseball team? :P
[quote]The rest of the film appears to indeed be from the 1929 World Series at Wrigley Field, though I am not sure if it’s Game One (October 8) or Game Two (October 9).[/quote]
Ok, now I’m excited.
To add a little more to the research, I’m more than 99 percent sure that the gameplay is from Game 1. The pitcher in the white (A’s) hat is likely Howard Ehmke, who happened to pitch one of the best games in WS history. From link:
[quote]By 1929, he seemed nearly washed up, having won only seven games for the pennant-winning Athletics. It came as a shock when Connie Mack started him in the World Series opener against the Cubs. Mack reasoned that the sidearming Ehmke had the perfect mix of control and slow stuff to keep the predominantly righthand-hitting Cubs off balance, and gave Ehmke time off near the end of the season to personally scout the Cubs. Ehmke struck out a then-record 13 in pitching an eight-hit, 3-1 victory.[/quote]
I once toured the Soldier Systems Center (aka Natick Army Labs) in Natick MA. It is home of the Camo Lab where the new uni was developed and tested. Really a cool place to see all the different testing Labs and stuff they work on. The Camo Lab has different full sized diaramas set up to simulate woodland and dessert surrounding (when I visited). It has lighting controls to simulate full sun, cloudy days, sunset, all moon phases, ect. I toured the place at the time they had just taken the black out of both the woodland and desert cammies. They had manauines dressed in the settings, turned down the lighting and gave us various night scopes to see how the unis get seen.
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[quote comment=”52804″]Why do the Boston Braves have pilgrim hats on the sleeves of their jerseys? Seems to be out of theme to me.[/quote]
The Braves wore the patches in 1930 in honor of the 300th anniversary of the City of Boston. link a clearer shot of one on Rabbit Maranville.
The army is also doing away with the green dress uniform and going to the dres blues as the standard dress uniform.
I think that’s the Leafs in the NHL footage. I think you can decipher the logo early on, and if we’re to believe the year of the footage listed, the St Pats no longer existed. According to nhluniforms.com, Detroit wasn’t even using the winged wheel yet.
[quote comment=”52798″]The obvious question: How can you have a scuffed-up, battle-worn helmet when your team has never played a down?
They likely had a football program, but played outside of the NCAA, possibly in the NAIA.[/quote]
According to the press release made last October, St. Scholastica’s football program is starting from scratch. Apparently, they never before had a program, at least in “modern” times.
Thus the mystery of the battle-scarred helmet remains ….
I think Tampa should consider ‘revising’ their stadium before anything. Why would a team playing in the sunshine state wanna be closed in 100% of the time?? Beats the shit outta me let me tell ya. Ok it gets hot blah blah blah, it also gets cold in Detroit and Chicago, no roof.!! At least have a retractable roof for pete’s sake. If I recall correctly, the best short short of all time, Derek Jeter, said the Tampa Bay baseball stadium is the worst infield he has ever played on. Not to mention they have speakers and wires and junk up top that interfere in play.
[quote comment=”52845″]The army is also doing away with the green dress uniform and going to the dres blues as the standard dress uniform.[/quote]
Like the Air Force?
[quote comment=”52800″]Old news in todays paper. They just seem more ready to do it now.
link.[/quote]
So are they gonna be the Tampa Rays or the Tampa Bay Rays…either way it’s dumb…I went to a game in either their first or second year (met Dick Vitale in the restaurant before the game), I thought it was cool, but I was also around 14 years old, not it’s just stupid to play indoors in Florida…the Marlins don’t!!
I musta been sleeping at my desk, just had this nightmare….
The Under Armour commercial starts, and Spurrier chants the macho “click-clack” in his USC Gamecocks gear just like Tuberville (Auburn) does in his spot, but his team from the DiGiorno commercial follows him in their dresses!.. too weird.
Also, since the NFL Equipment logo looks so much like the Raiders’ can Al Davis file a lawsuit over it?
[quote comment=”52862″][quote comment=”52845″]The army is also doing away with the green dress uniform and going to the dres blues as the standard dress uniform.[/quote]
Like the Air Force?[/quote]
I thought the same thing. Why blue?
Why is that Michigan State-Illinois this year both had colored uniforms. And last year I remember Cincinnati wore red and Memphis blue. What is the rule as far as uniforms home teams can wear?
[quote comment=”52861″]I think Tampa should consider ‘revising’ their stadium before anything. Why would a team playing in the sunshine state wanna be closed in 100% of the time?? Beats the shit outta me let me tell ya. Ok it gets hot blah blah blah, it also gets cold in Detroit and Chicago, no roof.!! At least have a retractable roof for pete’s sake. If I recall correctly, the best short short of all time, Derek Jeter, said the Tampa Bay baseball stadium is the worst infield he has ever played on. Not to mention they have speakers and wires and junk up top that interfere in play.[/quote]
Best SS of all time? hahaha… they have a better SS playing third base…
[quote comment=”52871″]Why is that Michigan State-Illinois this year both had colored uniforms. And last year I remember Cincinnati wore red and Memphis blue. What is the rule as far as uniforms home teams can wear?[/quote]
I think if you give enough notice and the colors are contrasting enough it is OK…remember the Illinois (orange) Wisconsin (red) issue
I remember a couple years ago we were thinking of wearing our link instead of our link for our Conference Championship game even though we were the home team. We just needed to decide to give the other team enough time to make plans.
[quote comment=”52802″]Paul, I’ve emailed both the Sharks and Ducks about the white-at-home games. While no official reason is posted on either website, I would hazard a guess that since the Ducks and Sharks are close to one another in terms of locales, that may have had something to do with it.
If I get a response from either team, I’ll post it here.[/quote]
Westwood One Radio called a trading white home and home series. It was something that the two teams did for the games.
[quote comment=”52873″][quote comment=”52871″]Why is that Michigan State-Illinois this year both had colored uniforms. And last year I remember Cincinnati wore red and Memphis blue. What is the rule as far as uniforms home teams can wear?[/quote]
I think if you give enough notice and the colors are contrasting enough it is OK…remember the Illinois (orange) Wisconsin (red) issue
I remember a couple years ago we were thinking of wearing our link instead of our link for our Conference Championship game even though we were the home team. We just needed to decide to give the other team enough time to make plans.[/quote]
West Virginia and Cincinatti (I think) both wore solid colors when they played each other earlier this year (WVU in blue, Cincy in Red). I thought it was kinda strange, but it happens every now and then.
New NHL jersey notes:
According to Rogers Sportsnet, Ryan Smyth of the Edmonton Oilers had the most succinct evaluation of the new uniforms introduced at the NHL All-Star game. He said he generally likes the new look, but that: “They don’t soak up the water like the old sweaters. The water has to go somewhere and it was trickling into my gloves during the game.”
I see this as a huge problem, especially since players from the Minnesota Wild have already been known to change into dry gloves in between periods. I’m quite sure there are more than just the Wild players who do this, so it appears this might be the first of many “water problems”.
[quote comment=”52800″]Old news in todays paper. They just seem more ready to do it now.
link.[/quote]
Change their colors? Doesn’t their logo use like 50 different colors?
Just thought I give a little update on what Paul called the worst basketball uniforms of all time.
Heh.
[quote comment=”52872″][quote comment=”52861″]I think Tampa should consider ‘revising’ their stadium before anything. Why would a team playing in the sunshine state wanna be closed in 100% of the time?? Beats the shit outta me let me tell ya. Ok it gets hot blah blah blah, it also gets cold in Detroit and Chicago, no roof.!! At least have a retractable roof for pete’s sake. If I recall correctly, the best short short of all time, Derek Jeter, said the Tampa Bay baseball stadium is the worst infield he has ever played on. Not to mention they have speakers and wires and junk up top that interfere in play.[/quote]
Best SS of all time? hahaha… they have a better SS playing third base…[/quote]
He’s not even the best SS in New York. Jose Reyes is HEADS and SHOULDERS above Jeter.
[quote comment=”52861″]I think Tampa should consider ‘revising’ their stadium before anything. Why would a team playing in the sunshine state wanna be closed in 100% of the time?? Beats the shit outta me let me tell ya. Ok it gets hot blah blah blah, it also gets cold in Detroit and Chicago, no roof.!! At least have a retractable roof for pete’s sake. If I recall correctly, the best short short of all time, Derek Jeter, said the Tampa Bay baseball stadium is the worst infield he has ever played on. Not to mention they have speakers and wires and junk up top that interfere in play.[/quote]
Shouldn’t that be “for St. Pete’s sake”? I know, sorry, I’ll get me coat.
I think Tampa should consider ‘revising’ their stadium before anything. Why would a team playing in the sunshine state wanna be closed in 100% of the time??
Remember kids, the weather(rain) is worse in Florida in the summer than it is in the winter most years. The Marlins have an open-air stadium, and also have more games PPD or delayed by rain than any other team. So the Rays may play in a dive, but it’s a dry dive.
[quote comment=”52805″][quote comment=”52799″]From the same “YouTube” user that posted the ’29 world series footage there are also these two great clips:
link and
link[/quote]
It’s pretty obvious that the Blackhawks are in the dark uniforms… but what’s that team in the white? The arm- and leg-striping pattern would suggest the Boston Bruins, but from what I can see of the crest, it doesn’t appear to be a Bruins “B”.
One of the YouTube commenters suggested the visitors were the Toronto St. Pats (who became the Maple Leafs,) but could that logo be Detroit’s “Winged Wheel”?[/quote]
I think the team the blackhawks are playing is the link The pre red wings red wings
On the Wrigley scoreboard, the other 3 NL games have the traditional setup, with the home team on the bottom. But the Cubs line is on top of the visiting Braves. Anybody know why?
[quote comment=”52900″]I think the team the blackhawks are playing is the link The pre red wings red wings[/quote]
However I just watched the video again and the white team sure looks like they have either a leaf or a shamrock on their sweaters. Maybe the white leafs uni did have sleeve stripes and nhluniforms.com just has an incorrect image up?
[quote comment=”52862″][quote comment=”52845″]The army is also doing away with the green dress uniform and going to the dres blues as the standard dress uniform.[/quote]
Like the Air Force?[/quote]
No the Air Force Service Dress uniform is Blue, and the Army Class A’s are green.
link
link
the Army dress blues are way dressier, and used for special occasions and special details (unknown soldiers tomb, etc) Much like the USMC and their Olive Drab dress unis, and their Dress Blues.
link
note the pants are a different shade of blue than the jacket, to mimic the old cavalry riders who’s pants would fade more than the jacket.
Also of note, when looking for these images I see that the USAF are contemplating new dress uniforms.
link
[quote comment=”52897″][quote comment=”52872″][quote comment=”52861″]I think Tampa should consider ‘revising’ their stadium before anything. Why would a team playing in the sunshine state wanna be closed in 100% of the time?? Beats the shit outta me let me tell ya. Ok it gets hot blah blah blah, it also gets cold in Detroit and Chicago, no roof.!! At least have a retractable roof for pete’s sake. If I recall correctly, the best short short of all time, Derek Jeter, said the Tampa Bay baseball stadium is the worst infield he has ever played on. Not to mention they have speakers and wires and junk up top that interfere in play.[/quote]
Best SS of all time? hahaha… they have a better SS playing third base…[/quote]
He’s not even the best SS in New York. Jose Reyes is HEADS and SHOULDERS above Jeter.[/quote]
Wow.?!?. I can handle the Alex Rodriguez comment, but Reyes? just wow. heads and shoulders even, make that three wows..?
“Great catch by Fernando Fuentevilla, who notes that this photo appears to show Norv Turner wearing Raiders shorts with his 49ers shirt.”
That actually appears to be just a pair of gray shorts with the NFL Equipment logo. Check out Alex Smith next to him, and he’s wearing the same shorts with the same logo in the same place.
Hmm, I thought the NCAA had made a rule stating that one team must wear white jerseys. USC (Southern Cal) and UCLA used to both wear their home jerseys when they played each other, no matter who was actually the home team (kinda made sense, as they both played in the L. A. Memorial Coliseum until 1980). Starting in 1983, the visiting team started wearing white jerseys. I read that this was due to a ruling by the NCAA.
[quote comment=”52861″]I think Tampa should consider ‘revising’ their stadium before anything. Why would a team playing in the sunshine state wanna be closed in 100% of the time?? Beats the shit outta me let me tell ya. Ok it gets hot blah blah blah, it also gets cold in Detroit and Chicago, no roof.!! At least have a retractable roof for pete’s sake. If I recall correctly, the best short short of all time, Derek Jeter, said the Tampa Bay baseball stadium is the worst infield he has ever played on. Not to mention they have speakers and wires and junk up top that interfere in play.[/quote]
what is a “short short”?
New link for the Sacremento Rivercats.
[quote comment=”52919″][quote comment=”52861″]I think Tampa should consider ‘revising’ their stadium before anything. Why would a team playing in the sunshine state wanna be closed in 100% of the time?? Beats the shit outta me let me tell ya. Ok it gets hot blah blah blah, it also gets cold in Detroit and Chicago, no roof.!! At least have a retractable roof for pete’s sake. If I recall correctly, the best short short of all time, Derek Jeter, said the Tampa Bay baseball stadium is the worst infield he has ever played on. Not to mention they have speakers and wires and junk up top that interfere in play.[/quote]
what is a “short short”?[/quote]
i know i know, should’ve proof read.
-> short stop
Sorry. I meant Sacramento.
[quote comment=”52903″]On the Wrigley scoreboard, the other 3 NL games have the traditional setup, with the home team on the bottom. But the Cubs line is on top of the visiting Braves. Anybody know why?[/quote]
My guess is that they scoreboard had “Cubs” in a permanant spot, much like some smaller colleges and high schools have things like “Tigers” and “Visitors”. I’m assuming they wanted “Cubs” to be at the very top of the board, above all other teams.
[quote comment=”52927″]New link for the Sacremento Rivercats.[/quote]
Nice…but what are the Unis going to look like?!
I think the Chicago hockey youtube is actually the Chicago Shamrocks and not the Blackhawks)
Here’s a picture of linkthat might help.
The Shamrocks had a bit of an link– as they were directly competing with the NHL for a time – before the owner took over the Detroit Falcons
[quote comment=”52799″]From the same “YouTube” user that posted the ’29 world series footage there are also these two great clips:
link and
link[/quote]
Looking at that hockey footage and checking with NHLuniforms, I really can’t tell what team the Blackhawks are playing, or even in what year. If we’re to take what NHLuniforms has as fact, then it can’t be 1929, since the Maple Leafs (which is the only logical logo that could be) didn’t have stripes on their white jerseys until 1932. And even then, they had stripes above their logo on the front as well, which they clearly don’t here.
Plus if you look at the Blackhawks, they have a Canadien-esque striping through their numbers, something they didn’t have until the late 30s according the the website.
So it’s most likely NHLuniforms is incorrect, although it’s interesting debate…
[quote comment=”52798″]The obvious question: How can you have a scuffed-up, battle-worn helmet when your team has never played a down?
They likely had a football program, but played outside of the NCAA, possibly in the NAIA.[/quote]
Or it is just a Photoshop job. I would guess that the photo was originally for Notre Dame, but that’s just a guess. The Photoshopping is noticeably apparent in the blue stripe. Also the logo on the side does not seem to wrap with the curvature of the helmet, this is most noticeable on the top line of the crest. The crest also seems to be at too much of an angle, the bottom point should most likely be pointed more toward the back of the ear hole, if you tilt your head to so that the helmet looks level this becomes obvious.
Actually Nuk is probably correct, it’s probably the Shamrocks, that would be the most logical explanation.
[quote comment=”52910″][quote comment=”52897″][quote comment=”52872″][quote comment=”52861″]I think Tampa should consider ‘revising’ their stadium before anything. Why would a team playing in the sunshine state wanna be closed in 100% of the time?? Beats the shit outta me let me tell ya. Ok it gets hot blah blah blah, it also gets cold in Detroit and Chicago, no roof.!! At least have a retractable roof for pete’s sake. If I recall correctly, the best short short of all time, Derek Jeter, said the Tampa Bay baseball stadium is the worst infield he has ever played on. Not to mention they have speakers and wires and junk up top that interfere in play.[/quote]
Best SS of all time? hahaha… they have a better SS playing third base…[/quote]
He’s not even the best SS in New York. Jose Reyes is HEADS and SHOULDERS above Jeter.[/quote]
Wow.?!?. I can handle the Alex Rodriguez comment, but Reyes? just wow. heads and shoulders even, make that three wows..?[/quote]
yikes! Obviously Reyes is very good and has unlimited potential. But dont get ahead of yourself now. He’s got a few things to prove and some rings to put on before we call him a better short stop than Jeter, let alone “head and shoulders above”……
oh, and Jeter makes his case for the uni argument as well everytime Reyes dons the black….ugh
[quote comment=”52870″][quote comment=”52862″][quote comment=”52845″]The army is also doing away with the green dress uniform and going to the dres blues as the standard dress uniform.[/quote]
Like the Air Force?[/quote]
I thought the same thing. Why blue?[/quote]
Think Marine Corps, not Air Force.
-Sorry if this has been noted already-
link are not Raider shorts. The logo’s edge and the writing looks a little curved at the top, whereas the link have a spiked top with flat “Raiders” typography. But the telling clue is that Alex Smith is wearing the same shorts. I think it’s just the link. Also, you can see the edge of a logo on the right side of the shorts which is probably the link.
Yeah I’m sure he wouldn’t be allowed on the premisis with Raiders shorts on.
is it just me or do the river cats’ RC logo look like RC cola. The fourth most popular brand of cola
[quote comment=”52872″][quote comment=”52861″]I think Tampa should consider ‘revising’ their stadium before anything. Why would a team playing in the sunshine state wanna be closed in 100% of the time?? Beats the shit outta me let me tell ya. Ok it gets hot blah blah blah, it also gets cold in Detroit and Chicago, no roof.!! At least have a retractable roof for pete’s sake. If I recall correctly, the best short short of all time, Derek Jeter, said the Tampa Bay baseball stadium is the worst infield he has ever played on. Not to mention they have speakers and wires and junk up top that interfere in play.[/quote]
Best SS of all time? hahaha… they have a better SS playing third base…[/quote]
thank You
The Chargers are changing the logo to get some uniformity, and there is NO powder blue? It’s one of the most popular jerseys around, it looks fantastic, and yet – they want nothing o do with it. Brilliant.
[quote comment=”52945″][quote comment=”52870″][quote comment=”52862″][quote comment=”52845″]The army is also doing away with the green dress uniform and going to the dres blues as the standard dress uniform.[/quote]
Like the Air Force?[/quote]
I thought the same thing. Why blue?[/quote]
Think Marine Corps, not Air Force.[/quote]
I work in a military office (as a civilian), and while I don’t know much about “formal” attire, I do that as far as the uniforms I see on a daily basis:
Green = Army
Blue = Air Force
Brown (or tan, or whatever it’s called) = Navy
(I don’t work personally with anyone from the Marine Corps).
[quote comment=”52912″]Hmm, I thought the NCAA had made a rule stating that one team must wear white jerseys. USC (Southern Cal) and UCLA used to both wear their home jerseys when they played each other, no matter who was actually the home team (kinda made sense, as they both played in the L. A. Memorial Coliseum until 1980). Starting in 1983, the visiting team started wearing white jerseys. I read that this was due to a ruling by the NCAA.[/quote]
That ruling also led LSU to wear purple at home for a few years until the NCAA gave then a waiver to go back to white, for the most part ( I know thay wore the purple at home once this past year).
This was the best contribution I can provide to the USAF, Army uniform discussion
linkis a picture from my cousin’s wedding. My Uncle just retired from the Air Force as you can see from the picture, this is the underneath to the uniform jacket. Everytime I see this type of blue I think Air Force and green I think Army. It’s interesting to think the Army would switch
[quote comment=”52944″][quote comment=”52910″][quote comment=”52897″][quote comment=”52872″][quote comment=”52861″]I think Tampa should consider ‘revising’ their stadium before anything. Why would a team playing in the sunshine state wanna be closed in 100% of the time?? Beats the shit outta me let me tell ya. Ok it gets hot blah blah blah, it also gets cold in Detroit and Chicago, no roof.!! At least have a retractable roof for pete’s sake. If I recall correctly, the best short short of all time, Derek Jeter, said the Tampa Bay baseball stadium is the worst infield he has ever played on. Not to mention they have speakers and wires and junk up top that interfere in play.[/quote]
Best SS of all time? hahaha… they have a better SS playing third base…[/quote]
He’s not even the best SS in New York. Jose Reyes is HEADS and SHOULDERS above Jeter.[/quote]
Wow.?!?. I can handle the Alex Rodriguez comment, but Reyes? just wow. heads and shoulders even, make that three wows..?[/quote]
yikes! Obviously Reyes is very good and has unlimited potential. But dont get ahead of yourself now. He’s got a few things to prove and some rings to put on before we call him a better short stop than Jeter, let alone “head and shoulders above”……
oh, and Jeter makes his case for the uni argument as well everytime Reyes dons the black….ugh[/quote]
I agree about the black jerseys yuck. The Mets home white with blue pinstripe used to be beautiful, GET rid of the black drop shadow Mr. Wilpon. I would never get up from my seat if Reyes was coming to bat, he’s the most exiting player I’ve seen in a while. AND in the field he’s fantastic.
[quote comment=”52802″]Paul, I’ve emailed both the Sharks and Ducks about the white-at-home games. While no official reason is posted on either website, I would hazard a guess that since the Ducks and Sharks are close to one another in terms of locales, that may have had something to do with it.
If I get a response from either team, I’ll post it here.[/quote]
Put me down for a euphemized version of “No one in Anaheim is buying the ugly new jerseys, and maybe they’ll buy the white ones if they get a chance to see them.”
Maybe the people responsible for the pre-wrecked link are the same people responsible for link being link link link link when I try to buy some new jeans. I’ll ruin ’em myself for free, OK?
BTW, good catch on the link. Looks like a winner.
See you North Texas people at the Ginger Man.
Great picture of the Shamrocks, not everyday you see a player with his link. You can ever see the corner of the boards being made out of narrow planks of wood and chain-link fence instead of our modern glass. Hockey at a simpler time!
Seeing that “Colts” hockey helmet makes me think it would be really cool if NHL helmets had some sort of logo or design. I know the Michigan Wolverines do it and it looks SWEET!
Clevo did a great job in comment 46 of explaining why the Army is doing away with its green uniforms. Blue has actually been part of the Army’s uniforms since the Revolution and the Barbary Pirates wars of the early 1800s.
Now to jump back to the Title IX talk from yesterday, I just wanted to say to Kerry that I completely agree with what you said at the end of yesterday’s comment section. Minna, I understand your argument that a school can divert funds from other programs to support women’s programs, but the fact of the matter remains that university athletic departments, especially private universities, have a finite amount of money to deal with and it makes good financial sense to invest heavily in the two programs (football and basketball) that provide the greatest profitability for the university. NCAA baseball, as much as I love it, simply doesn’t bring in the same money as football or basketball. So when a university must add a new women’s sport in order to come into agreement with Title IX’s rules regarding proportional gender representation in athletic programs, naturally it will look to cut a program that doesn’t bring in as much money rather than diverty funds from the most profitable programs.
I think we both understand the others arguemnt, but that we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
[quote comment=”52933″]I think the Chicago hockey youtube is actually the Chicago Shamrocks and not the Blackhawks)
Here’s a picture of linkthat might help.
The Shamrocks had a bit of an link– as they were directly competing with the NHL for a time – before the owner took over the Detroit Falcons[/quote]
It looks like it’s a video of the Shamrocks in a game against the link.
shorts w/ reebok/nfl equipment logo
link
link
i believe lsu wears white for home conference games, but purple for home non-conference games.
also, i think lsu ust ask the other team if it is okay to wear white at home. when gerry dinardo was coach of lsu, vanderbilt (his former team) did not accept and lsu was forced to wear purple
[quote comment=”52956″][quote comment=”52912″]Hmm, I thought the NCAA had made a rule stating that one team must wear white jerseys. USC (Southern Cal) and UCLA used to both wear their home jerseys when they played each other, no matter who was actually the home team (kinda made sense, as they both played in the L. A. Memorial Coliseum until 1980). Starting in 1983, the visiting team started wearing white jerseys. I read that this was due to a ruling by the NCAA.[/quote]
That ruling also led LSU to wear purple at home for a few years until the NCAA gave then a waiver to go back to white, for the most part ( I know thay wore the purple at home once this past year).[/quote]
[quote comment=”52897″][quote comment=”52872″][quote comment=”52861″]I think Tampa should consider ‘revising’ their stadium before anything. Why would a team playing in the sunshine state wanna be closed in 100% of the time?? Beats the shit outta me let me tell ya. Ok it gets hot blah blah blah, it also gets cold in Detroit and Chicago, no roof.!! At least have a retractable roof for pete’s sake. If I recall correctly, the best short short of all time, Derek Jeter, said the Tampa Bay baseball stadium is the worst infield he has ever played on. Not to mention they have speakers and wires and junk up top that interfere in play.[/quote]
Best SS of all time? hahaha… they have a better SS playing third base…[/quote]
He’s not even the best SS in New York. Jose Reyes is HEADS and SHOULDERS above Jeter.[/quote]
I guess it’s easy to look past his 4 WS Rings, each of which he was a vital part in. Oh and the fact that he is a WS MVP and was robbed of AL MVP this year.
Truth is, Reyes has a long way to go before he can even carry Jeter’s jock. I’m not saying he isn’t any good, just not better than Jeter…
This replica link should serve notice, oh and he has 3 others…
OK, the original thing I was going to post before some over zealous Met fan tried to compare Jeter to Reyes…
SI.com:
When the Devil Rays unveil new logos, colors and uniforms for the 2008 season, they likely still will be known by their old last name. After considering a complete change of identity to mark the end of their first decade, team officials apparently will instead drop the Devil and keep the Rays. The new color scheme, expected to be heavy on blue, perhaps with yellow accompaniments, isn’t likely to be unveiled until after this season.
— St. Petersburg Times
[quote comment=”52955″][quote comment=”52945″][quote comment=”52870″][quote comment=”52862″][quote comment=”52845″]The army is also doing away with the green dress uniform and going to the dres blues as the standard dress uniform.[/quote]
Like the Air Force?[/quote]
I thought the same thing. Why blue?[/quote]
Think Marine Corps, not Air Force.[/quote]
I work in a military office (as a civilian), and while I don’t know much about “formal” attire, I do that as far as the uniforms I see on a daily basis:
Green = Army
Blue = Air Force
Brown (or tan, or whatever it’s called) = Navy
(I don’t work personally with anyone from the Marine Corps).[/quote]
In addition to what Clevo said in comment 46, I found this pictorial history of the U.S. Army’s uniforms. Blue began appearing on officer’s at the command of George Washington who wanted to instill a sense of unity and discipline in his raw colonial recruits by introducing uniforms. U.S. Marines actually originally wore bottle green jackets and were thusly known as ‘Greenjackets’. Blue was predominant in all U.S. Army uniforms leading up to and including the Spanish-American War of 1898. Khaki was introduced shortly thereafter to American troops who were involved in quelling the uprising in the Phillipines from 1899-1902.
This is a very detailed website, everyone should at least skim through it if you’re even moderately curious about the history of U.S. military uniforms: link
he’s the most exiting player I’ve seen in a while.
(Reyes)..
maybe on that side of New York.
who farted in here?
link
Also… in regards to jeter being the best ss ever… pleeeeeeeeeeease. Best shortstop ever was obviously kevin elster.
[quote comment=”53009″]who farted in here?[/quote]
My bad
[quote comment=”53009″]who farted in here?[/quote]
I seriously did not write that.?????????
what the? weird.
[quote comment=”53023″]link
Also… in regards to jeter being the best ss ever… pleeeeeeeeeeease. Best shortstop ever was obviously kevin elster.[/quote]
I like it! Any Celts fans here who think it’d be sacrilegious or anything?
And the best shortstop of all time is still link. Ain’t a thing changed at the top of that list in 90 years. (And link is second.)
Great as Cap’n Jetes is, he isn’t even the best shortsop link.
(We really shouldn’t be having this discussion on this forum.)
[quote comment=”52919″][quote comment=”52861″]I think Tampa should consider ‘revising’ their stadium before anything. Why would a team playing in the sunshine state wanna be closed in 100% of the time?? Beats the shit outta me let me tell ya. Ok it gets hot blah blah blah, it also gets cold in Detroit and Chicago, no roof.!! At least have a retractable roof for pete’s sake. If I recall correctly, the best short short of all time, Derek Jeter, said the Tampa Bay baseball stadium is the worst infield he has ever played on. Not to mention they have speakers and wires and junk up top that interfere in play.[/quote]
what is a “short short”?[/quote]
A “short short” is what women who used N’air in the 70’s wore!
Thank you – you’re a wonderful audience – please try the veal.
[quote comment=”53026″][quote comment=”53023″]link
Also… in regards to jeter being the best ss ever… pleeeeeeeeeeease. Best shortstop ever was obviously kevin elster.[/quote]
I like it! Any Celts fans here who think it’d be sacrilegious or anything?
And the best shortstop of all time is still link. Ain’t a thing changed at the top of that list in 90 years. (And link is second.)
Great as Cap’n Jetes is, he isn’t even the best shortsop link.
(We really shouldn’t be having this discussion on this forum.)[/quote]
Jeter is # 1. But I still like Tejada, too bad he’s getting wasted in Baltimore.
[quote comment=”52891″]New NHL jersey notes:
According to Rogers Sportsnet, Ryan Smyth of the Edmonton Oilers had the most succinct evaluation of the new uniforms introduced at the NHL All-Star game. He said he generally likes the new look, but that: “They don’t soak up the water like the old sweaters. The water has to go somewhere and it was trickling into my gloves during the game.”
I see this as a huge problem, especially since players from the Minnesota Wild have already been known to change into dry gloves in between periods. I’m quite sure there are more than just the Wild players who do this, so it appears this might be the first of many “water problems”.[/quote]
The Penguins have a heater made of PVC piping in the runway at games that they can put thier gloves on to dry them out. Sidney Crosby switches out gloves a few times during the game so his stick doesnt slip in his hands.
[quote comment=”52944″][quote comment=”52910″][quote comment=”52897″][quote comment=”52872″][quote comment=”52861″]I think Tampa should consider ‘revising’ their stadium before anything. Why would a team playing in the sunshine state wanna be closed in 100% of the time?? Beats the shit outta me let me tell ya. Ok it gets hot blah blah blah, it also gets cold in Detroit and Chicago, no roof.!! At least have a retractable roof for pete’s sake. If I recall correctly, the best short short of all time, Derek Jeter, said the Tampa Bay baseball stadium is the worst infield he has ever played on. Not to mention they have speakers and wires and junk up top that interfere in play.[/quote]
Best SS of all time? hahaha… they have a better SS playing third base…[/quote]
He’s not even the best SS in New York. Jose Reyes is HEADS and SHOULDERS above Jeter.[/quote]
Wow.?!?. I can handle the Alex Rodriguez comment, but Reyes? just wow. heads and shoulders even, make that three wows..?[/quote]
yikes! Obviously Reyes is very good and has unlimited potential. But dont get ahead of yourself now. He’s got a few things to prove and some rings to put on before we call him a better short stop than Jeter, let alone “head and shoulders above”……
oh, and Jeter makes his case for the uni argument as well everytime Reyes dons the black….ugh[/quote]
One – rings do not equate to talent. There are a lot of crappy players that have rings. Jorge Posada has 4 rings, Gary Carter has one…who’s the more talented catcher?
Two – Reyes has no say in the uniform choice – as much fun as he has, I bet he’d play in a tutu if they asked him to.
I think Reyes has more talent than Jeter defensively, but Jeter is a more complete hitter at this point – that may very well change though.
[quote comment=”53026″][quote comment=”53023″]link
Also… in regards to jeter being the best ss ever… pleeeeeeeeeeease. Best shortstop ever was obviously kevin elster.[/quote]
I like it! Any Celts fans here who think it’d be sacrilegious or anything?
And the best shortstop of all time is still link. Ain’t a thing changed at the top of that list in 90 years. (And link is second.)
Great as Cap’n Jetes is, he isn’t even the best shortsop link.
(We really shouldn’t be having this discussion on this forum.)[/quote]
As a Celts fan, I think it’s just wrong. The Celts have added a patch, and Red was never one for big fanfare and things to honor him, so the clover is the correct act of respect. Now the fact that we’ve now lost one game in a row for every championship Red brought to the franchise is NOT the way to honor someone.
[quote comment=”53034″]As a Celts fan, I think it’s just wrong. The Celts have added a patch, and Red was never one for big fanfare and things to honor him, so the clover is the correct act of respect. Now the fact that we’ve now lost one game in a row for every championship Red brought to the franchise is NOT the way to honor someone.[/quote]
Yeah, you got that right. Well put.
link wins another link! Channeling Frank Gorshin and ? and the Mysterians…
[quote comment=”53004″]i believe lsu wears white for home conference games, but purple for home non-conference games.
also, i think lsu ust ask the other team if it is okay to wear white at home. when gerry dinardo was coach of lsu, vanderbilt (his former team) did not accept and lsu was forced to wear purple
[quote comment=”52956″][quote comment=”52912″]Hmm, I thought the NCAA had made a rule stating that one team must wear white jerseys. USC (Southern Cal) and UCLA used to both wear their home jerseys when they played each other, no matter who was actually the home team (kinda made sense, as they both played in the L. A. Memorial Coliseum until 1980). Starting in 1983, the visiting team started wearing white jerseys. I read that this was due to a ruling by the NCAA.[/quote]
That ruling also led LSU to wear purple at home for a few years until the NCAA gave then a waiver to go back to white, for the most part ( I know thay wore the purple at home once this past year).[/quote][/quote]
LSU’s home purple jerseys are only worn for the 2nd home non-conference game of each season. Weird, but that’s the rule.
[quote comment=”53004″]i believe lsu wears white for home conference games, but purple for home non-conference games.
also, i think lsu ust ask the other team if it is okay to wear white at home. when gerry dinardo was coach of lsu, vanderbilt (his former team) did not accept and lsu was forced to wear purple
[quote comment=”52956″][quote comment=”52912″]Hmm, I thought the NCAA had made a rule stating that one team must wear white jerseys. USC (Southern Cal) and UCLA used to both wear their home jerseys when they played each other, no matter who was actually the home team (kinda made sense, as they both played in the L. A. Memorial Coliseum until 1980). Starting in 1983, the visiting team started wearing white jerseys. I read that this was due to a ruling by the NCAA.[/quote]
That ruling also led LSU to wear purple at home for a few years until the NCAA gave then a waiver to go back to white, for the most part ( I know thay wore the purple at home once this past year).[/quote][/quote]
Pretty much. LSU wears purple jerseys at home for the first game of the season and all other non-conference home games. Conference games, the Tigers wear white jerseys. Since LSU is the only SEC team that wears white at home, people rarely see the purple jerseys.
As for the Gerry DiNardo/Vanderbilt situation, that’s true. Vandy denied LSU’s request to wear the white at home…so LSU wore GOLD jerseys for the game and won 35-0. This is only one of two times that I know of that LSU significantly altered their uniforms for a game. The other was the 1997 Independence Bowl game against Notre Dame. The team wore GOLD jerseys, link helmets and WHITE pants.
I’ll try to find pictures of the GOLD jerseys.
South Carolina’s new Under Armour campaign slogan:
“We must protect this Cock!”
[quote comment=”53041″][quote comment=”53004″]i believe lsu wears white for home conference games, but purple for home non-conference games.
also, i think lsu ust ask the other team if it is okay to wear white at home. when gerry dinardo was coach of lsu, vanderbilt (his former team) did not accept and lsu was forced to wear purple
[quote comment=”52956″][quote comment=”52912″]Hmm, I thought the NCAA had made a rule stating that one team must wear white jerseys. USC (Southern Cal) and UCLA used to both wear their home jerseys when they played each other, no matter who was actually the home team (kinda made sense, as they both played in the L. A. Memorial Coliseum until 1980). Starting in 1983, the visiting team started wearing white jerseys. I read that this was due to a ruling by the NCAA.[/quote]
That ruling also led LSU to wear purple at home for a few years until the NCAA gave then a waiver to go back to white, for the most part ( I know thay wore the purple at home once this past year).[/quote][/quote]
Pretty much. LSU wears purple jerseys at home for the first game of the season and all other non-conference home games. Conference games, the Tigers wear white jerseys. Since LSU is the only SEC team that wears white at home, people rarely see the purple jerseys.
As for the Gerry DiNardo/Vanderbilt situation, that’s true. Vandy denied LSU’s request to wear the white at home…so LSU wore GOLD jerseys for the game and won 35-0. This is only one of two times that I know of that LSU significantly altered their uniforms for a game. The other was the 1997 Independence Bowl game against Notre Dame. The team wore GOLD jerseys, link helmets and WHITE pants.
I’ll try to find pictures of the GOLD jerseys.[/quote]
Correction, they traditionally wear WHITE jerseys for the first home game each season, PURPLE for all other non-conference games.
[quote]Great as Cap’n Jetes is, he isn’t even the best shortsop in his own division.[/quote]
But what about the intangibles?? INTANGIBLES!!
[quote comment=”52955″][quote comment=”52945″][quote comment=”52870″][quote comment=”52862″][quote comment=”52845″]The army is also doing away with the green dress uniform and going to the dres blues as the standard dress uniform.[/quote]
Like the Air Force?[/quote]
I thought the same thing. Why blue?[/quote]
Think Marine Corps, not Air Force.[/quote]
I work in a military office (as a civilian), and while I don’t know much about “formal” attire, I do that as far as the uniforms I see on a daily basis:
Green = Army
Blue = Air Force
Brown (or tan, or whatever it’s called) = Navy
(I don’t work personally with anyone from the Marine Corps).[/quote]
The army didn’t change – they’ve always had a blue uniform, longer than the vaunted marines
they are just streamlining, and getting rid of the Green Service uniform.
The army uniform is dark blue on the top and medium blue on the bottom with gold trim, buttons and stripes-the airforce is all over 1 color blue with silver
army enlsted men wear their rank on the shoulders of their shirts and on the sleeves of their blouses, the airforce wear their rank on the sleeves all the time
hope this helps
[quote comment=”53045″][quote]Great as Cap’n Jetes is, he isn’t even the best shortsop in his own division.[/quote]
But what about the intangibles?? INTANGIBLES!![/quote]
It’s baseball. What intangibles?
Re. the Cubs video. The managers are exchanging their roster cards before the game. The manager is in uniform. I thought Connie Mack always wore a suit. Did he only wear a suit sometimes?
[quote comment=”53045″][quote]Great as Cap’n Jetes is, he isn’t even the best shortsop in his own division.[/quote]
But what about the intangibles?? INTANGIBLES!![/quote]
By definition, intangibles are worthless – if they have no tangible value, how are they helpful? People use “intagibles” to say “They started winning championships the year Jeter got there…yet we’re not really sure why…”
Intangibles is just as bad as “potential” – which my father told me was a fancy French word for “Hasn’t done shit yet.”
[quote comment=”53062″][quote comment=”53045″][quote]Great as Cap’n Jetes is, he isn’t even the best shortsop in his own division.[/quote]
But what about the intangibles?? INTANGIBLES!![/quote]
By definition, intangibles are worthless – if they have no tangible value, how are they helpful? People use “intagibles” to say “They started winning championships the year Jeter got there…yet we’re not really sure why…”
Intangibles is just as bad as “potential” – which my father told me was a fancy French word for “Hasn’t done shit yet.”[/quote]
even more confused..
OK, as promised…here’s LSU vs Vandy, with the link from 1996.
And the 1997 Independence Bowl between LSU and Notre Dame featured link and slightly modified link compared to the ’96 Vandy game (notice the stripes present on the Bowl game pants, not there in 1996).
[quote comment=”53046″][quote comment=”52955″][quote comment=”52945″][quote comment=”52870″][quote comment=”52862″][quote comment=”52845″]The army is also doing away with the green dress uniform and going to the dres blues as the standard dress uniform.[/quote]
Like the Air Force?[/quote]
Might you have a source that shows the “new” Army blue uniforms?
I thought the same thing. Why blue?[/quote]
Think Marine Corps, not Air Force.[/quote]
I work in a military office (as a civilian), and while I don’t know much about “formal” attire, I do that as far as the uniforms I see on a daily basis:
Green = Army
Blue = Air Force
Brown (or tan, or whatever it’s called) = Navy
(I don’t work personally with anyone from the Marine Corps).[/quote]
The army didn’t change – they’ve always had a blue uniform, longer than the vaunted marines
they are just streamlining, and getting rid of the Green Service uniform.
The army uniform is dark blue on the top and medium blue on the bottom with gold trim, buttons and stripes-the airforce is all over 1 color blue with silver
army enlsted men wear their rank on the shoulders of their shirts and on the sleeves of their blouses, the airforce wear their rank on the sleeves all the time
hope this helps[/quote]
Anyone watch Mexico US last night? As a life long soccer player I have noticed a dramatic shift away from black cleats towards mainly white (or those metallic horrific things that nike produces). Growing up (I’m only 23) black cleats were standard, until we got ot high school, then I had a pair fo silver and black Valsports that were amazing. Has anyone else noticed this? Also, Mexico’s kits are horrendous. They have that nasty little arrow right below the ass crack. As far as the US is concerned, I’d like to see them go back to the nike kit with the number in the circle on the front, although these arent too bad. Anyone up for bringing these back? . and is it me, or didnt the Mens team wear a red jersey a couple years back?
[quote comment=”53062″][quote comment=”53045″][quote]Great as Cap’n Jetes is, he isn’t even the best shortsop in his own division.[/quote]
But what about the intangibles?? INTANGIBLES!![/quote]
By definition, intangibles are worthless – if they have no tangible value, how are they helpful? People use “intagibles” to say “They started winning championships the year Jeter got there…yet we’re not really sure why…”
Intangibles is just as bad as “potential” – which my father told me was a fancy French word for “Hasn’t done shit yet.”[/quote]
intangibles = link
found it……
[quote]By definition, intangibles are worthless – if they have no tangible value, how are they helpful? People use “intagibles†to say “They started winning championships the year Jeter got there…yet we’re not really sure why…â€Â
Intangibles is just as bad as “potential†– which my father told me was a fancy French word for “Hasn’t done shit yet.†[/quote]
The Intangibles was more of a rhetorical question, aiming for humor as opposed to actual argument. One doesn’t often use multiple ?s or !s in a serious inquiry, unless its something like, “You slept with my WIFE?? I’m gonna put you in a HURT LOCKER!!”
But thanks for the definition anyway.
Kindly forgive my seriously bollixed up post above. I was trying to ask if anyone has a source for the “new” Army blue uniforms.
[quote comment=”53066″]Anyone watch Mexico US last night? As a life long soccer player I have noticed a dramatic shift away from black cleats towards mainly white (or those metallic horrific things that nike produces). Growing up (I’m only 23) black cleats were standard, until we got ot high school, then I had a pair fo silver and black Valsports that were amazing. Has anyone else noticed this? Also, Mexico’s kits are horrendous. They have that nasty little arrow right below the ass crack. As far as the US is concerned, I’d like to see them go back to the nike kit with the number in the circle on the front, although these arent too bad. Anyone up for bringing these back? link, or didnt the Mens team wear a red jersey a couple years back?[/quote]
The USA jerseys now are just fine. They did wear link…I think it was the last game before the World Cup
OT, but I didn’t see it elsewhere… Anna Nicole Smith Died at age 39
miguel,
I’m not saying the ones now are bad, i actually like them alot, the vertical stripe is original and it looks very… official i guess is the word, I just liked the nike template with the circle, it maybe an oxymoron of sorts but i think that template was quite original.
Some coverage last night on Spanish news channels about new Mexican National jerseys which were worn last night in a lose against the United States. The new jerseys are made by Adidas and feature the somewhat signature Adidas stripes down the shoulders. The emblem has also been moved to the side of the jersey from the middle. A picture can be found here:
link
Hi
Soccer players for a while have been moving away from black boots ,I live in Ireland and most top League players in Europe have endosment deals with verious company like Adidas ,Nike Reebok etc and wear there product and dont get much say or care for that matter what colour they are as long as someone pays them to wear them. The US soccer strip has changed colours on almost an annual basis although White seems to be the traditional home strip ,but I remember World Cup USA94 they wore a red and white striped home shirt but in 3 out of the 4 games played by the US they wore a denim looking light blue with stars phasing across it, it was a cool design Adidas made it if my memory serves.
thanks
Les
Warren, the U.S. Army’s blue uniforms are not ‘new’ per se, they’ve been around for many years, they just haven’t been worn as much as the greens.
Paul actually did a short blog entry about this last year, I think around Memorial Day. Check the archives.
Here’s the Army’s Dress Blues: link
Brazilian players like Ronaldo and Robinho often wear the yellow/green cleats even during club matches for Real Madrid. A bit on national pride to go along with the club kit.
Tim,
Adriano had a beautiful pair of yellow boots on against Spain this week. Also, did anyone see Kaka during that game? he had some sort of stretched out turtle neck under his long sleeve jersey. I know its cold this time of year but shouldnt he be used to it by now? I mean Milan isnt exactly Rio….
[quote comment=”53023″]
Also… in regards to jeter being the best ss ever… pleeeeeeeeeeease. Best shortstop ever was obviously kevin elster.[/quote]
THAT statement, kind sir, is an affront to Jose Oquendo, Alvaro Espinoza AND Andre Robertson!
[quote comment=”52899″]I think Tampa should consider ‘revising’ their stadium before anything. Why would a team playing in the sunshine state wanna be closed in 100% of the time??
Remember kids, the weather(rain) is worse in Florida in the summer than it is in the winter most years. The Marlins have an open-air stadium, and also have more games PPD or delayed by rain than any other team.
So the Rays may play in a dive, but it’s a dry dive.[/quote]
It rains all the time in mid afternoon and early evening. Not for a long time, but it still does. Right, it’s a dump, but at least they don’t get rained out. (Plus, they used to call it THUNDERDOME, hehe.)
[quote comment=”53042″]South Carolina’s new Under Armour campaign slogan:
“We must protect this Cock!”[/quote]
Classic!!
So, looking at the link does it strike anyone else as different (or even odd) that the work mark is on the SIDES of the circle rather than the top and the bottom. I can’t think of another logo that uses this convention (though admittedly, I’m not thinking about it very hard.)
Here’s the response from the Sharks regarding their white jerseys at home.
“Thank you for your interest and support of the San Jose Sharks. The
reason for both teams wearing white could be because when the Ducks were
in San Jose on Tuesday, they wore their black jerseys even though they
were suppose to wear white. So the next game we played they wore their
white jerseys because of the mix up in San Jose and we wore our typical
away jerseys. I hope this helps. Thanks again, GO SHARKS!!!”
It appears she doesn’t know why. :o)
Ty Law, Super Bowl XXXI.
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[quote comment=”53093″]Here’s the response from the Sharks regarding their white jerseys at home.
“Thank you for your interest and support of the San Jose Sharks. The
reason for both teams wearing white could be because when the Ducks were
in San Jose on Tuesday, they wore their black jerseys even though they
were suppose to wear white. So the next game we played they wore their
white jerseys because of the mix up in San Jose and we wore our typical
away jerseys. I hope this helps. Thanks again, GO SHARKS!!!”
It appears she doesn’t know why. :o)[/quote]
That was about the nicest way you could have said it.
[quote comment=”52952″]is it just me or do the river cats’ RC logo look like RC cola. The fourth most popular brand of cola[/quote]
What’s #3?
[quote comment=”53084″]Warren, the U.S. Army’s blue uniforms are not ‘new’ per se, they’ve been around for many years, they just haven’t been worn as much as the greens.
Paul actually did a short blog entry about this last year, I think around Memorial Day. Check the archives.
Here’s the Army’s Dress Blues: link
That’s not the Army’s blue dress uniform, thats the 3rd infantry uniform, the oldest unit in the armed forces. They guard the tomb of the unknown soldier. I think sombody posted a pic of the blue Army dress unifor earlier
[quote comment=”53073″]OT, but I didn’t see it elsewhere… Anna Nicole Smith Died at age 39[/quote]
Seeing as she never really did anything notable for society, I don’t care. I don’t think many other people here care either.
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And the 1997 Independence Bowl between LSU and Notre Dame featured WHITE HELMETS AND GOLD JERSEYS and slightly modified WHITE PANTS compared to the ‘96 Vandy game (notice the stripes present on the Bowl game pants, not there in 1996).
I was SO hoping LSU would bust out those uni’s for the latest Sugar Bowl vs ND, but, alas, it was not to be.
Legit blabbering this time…
In last night’s Canucks/’Hawks game the Canucks wore the throwbacks. Looks like link threw the blue pant shell over his regular shorts. Vancouver still can’t get the gloves right.
I’m still a bit ferhoodled about the US Army’s “blue” uniforms. I know that there’s been a blue dress uniform for many, many years, along with a white version.
However, are they planning to replace the current green Class A uniform with a blue version?
[quote comment=”53087″][quote comment=”53023″]
Also… in regards to jeter being the best ss ever… pleeeeeeeeeeease. Best shortstop ever was obviously kevin elster.[/quote]
THAT statement, kind sir, is an affront to Jose Oquendo, Alvaro Espinoza AND Andre Robertson![/quote]
Don’t go forgetting link
[quote comment=”53093″]Here’s the response from the Sharks regarding their white jerseys at home.
“Thank you for your interest and support of the San Jose Sharks. The
reason for both teams wearing white could be because when the Ducks were
in San Jose on Tuesday, they wore their black jerseys even though they
were suppose to wear white. So the next game we played they wore their
white jerseys because of the mix up in San Jose and we wore our typical
away jerseys. I hope this helps. Thanks again, GO SHARKS!!!”
It appears she doesn’t know why. :o)[/quote]
maybe this is why
link
Just to give everyone a little geography lesson, because it seems like some people are confusing this, there is no city called “Tampa Bay”. It’s just Tampa. And St. Petersburg is a completely different city. Kind of like Minneapolis/St. Paul. Saying St. Petersburg is Tampa would be like saying East Rutherford is New York City. Tampa Bay is literally just the name of the water.
So anyways, the Tampa Bay Lightning (referred as the “Bolts” locally) play in Tampa, but at the link.
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers also play in link.
But the Tampa Bay Devil Rays play in link. So make sure you don’t refer to the team as being in Tampa, locals would get pissed. They’re already mad that the team has “Tampa Bay” as its name, as opposed to St. Petersburg. Apparently the mayor and such wanted the team to change that, too. (I think that, along with new color scheme and nickname would be great to revitalize and jumpstart the franchise again.)
The dome was built years before the Devil Rays baseball team was ever going to be there (the stadium was built to lure an existing team), so don’t blame them for the domed roof. Stadium building in the 1980s obviously was different than what it is today.
A few things:
(1) Dr. Pepper is the #3 cola in the U.S.
(2) The SEC has a rule that for conference football games, if the home team wants to wear white, the visiting team has to let them do it.
(3) If you were watching the soccer game, that means you weren’t watching the UNC-Duke basketball game. And that’s inexcusable, even if you do have to put up with Duke Vitale.
[quote comment=”53107″]I’m still a bit ferhoodled about the US Army’s “blue” uniforms. I know that there’s been a blue dress uniform for many, many years, along with a white version.
However, are they planning to replace the current green Class A uniform with a blue version?[/quote]
yes, the dress greens are supposed to be phased out by 2011
[quote comment=”53093″]Here’s the response from the Sharks regarding their white jerseys at home.
“Thank you for your interest and support of the San Jose Sharks. The
reason for both teams wearing white could be because when the Ducks were
in San Jose on Tuesday, they wore their black jerseys even though they
were suppose to wear white. So the next game we played they wore their
white jerseys because of the mix up in San Jose and we wore our typical
away jerseys. I hope this helps. Thanks again, GO SHARKS!!!”
It appears she doesn’t know why. :o)[/quote]
I was at the tuesday night game in San Jose, and I was wondering the same thing. I pointe out to my British friend (who doesn’t know TOO much about hockey) that she home teams usually wear the team color jerseys. My guess was that the Ducks equipment team packed the wrong jerseys, and they were forced to wear the darks. The Sharks would then have compromised by wearing their whites. They probably just kept the consistency for the second part of the home-and-home series.
[quote comment=”53114″]Just to give everyone a little geography lesson, because it seems like some people are confusing this, there is no city called “Tampa Bay”. It’s just Tampa. And St. Petersburg is a completely different city. Kind of like Minneapolis/St. Paul. Saying St. Petersburg is Tampa would be like saying East Rutherford is New York City. Tampa Bay is literally just the name of the water.
So anyways, the Tampa Bay Lightning (referred as the “Bolts” locally) play in Tampa, but at the link.
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers also play in link.
But the Tampa Bay Devil Rays play in link. So make sure you don’t refer to the team as being in Tampa, locals would get pissed. They’re already mad that the team has “Tampa Bay” as its name, as opposed to St. Petersburg. Apparently the mayor and such wanted the team to change that, too. (I think that, along with new color scheme and nickname would be great to revitalize and jumpstart the franchise again.)
The dome was built years before the Devil Rays baseball team was ever going to be there (the stadium was built to lure an existing team), so don’t blame them for the domed roof. Stadium building in the 1980s obviously was different than what it is today.[/quote]
It was built to lure the Mariners from Seattle…
[quote comment=”53119″][quote comment=”53114″]Just to give everyone a little geography lesson, because it seems like some people are confusing this, there is no city called “Tampa Bay”. It’s just Tampa. And St. Petersburg is a completely different city. Kind of like Minneapolis/St. Paul. Saying St. Petersburg is Tampa would be like saying East Rutherford is New York City. Tampa Bay is literally just the name of the water.
So anyways, the Tampa Bay Lightning (referred as the “Bolts” locally) play in Tampa, but at the link.
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers also play in link.
But the Tampa Bay Devil Rays play in link. So make sure you don’t refer to the team as being in Tampa, locals would get pissed. They’re already mad that the team has “Tampa Bay” as its name, as opposed to St. Petersburg. Apparently the mayor and such wanted the team to change that, too. (I think that, along with new color scheme and nickname would be great to revitalize and jumpstart the franchise again.)
The dome was built years before the Devil Rays baseball team was ever going to be there (the stadium was built to lure an existing team), so don’t blame them for the domed roof. Stadium building in the 1980s obviously was different than what it is today.[/quote]
It was built to lure the Mariners from Seattle…[/quote]
…and the White Sox from Chicago, the Twins from Minnesota, the Giants from SF, etc. But more importantly it was built on speculation, which was part of the 80’s sports landscape philosophy (see above).
The Hoosier Dome was another spec project, modeled after the Metrodome, with the idea that it could be used for baseball. Unfortunately the baseball layout didn’t meet MLB specs, and the upper deck overhung the field by a significant portion.
[quote comment=”53040″][quote comment=”53004″]i believe lsu wears white for home conference games, but purple for home non-conference games.
also, i think lsu ust ask the other team if it is okay to wear white at home. when gerry dinardo was coach of lsu, vanderbilt (his former team) did not accept and lsu was forced to wear purple
[quote comment=”52956″][quote comment=”52912″]Hmm, I thought the NCAA had made a rule stating that one team must wear white jerseys. USC (Southern Cal) and UCLA used to both wear their home jerseys when they played each other, no matter who was actually the home team (kinda made sense, as they both played in the L. A. Memorial Coliseum until 1980). Starting in 1983, the visiting team started wearing white jerseys. I read that this was due to a ruling by the NCAA.[/quote]
That ruling also led LSU to wear purple at home for a few years until the NCAA gave then a waiver to go back to white, for the most part ( I know thay wore the purple at home once this past year).[/quote][/quote]
LSU’s home purple jerseys are only worn for the 2nd home non-conference game of each season. Weird, but that’s the rule.[/quote]
‘Non-conference home game’ is a little redundant in the SEC. Most of the teams only play 4 road games and 8 home games each year. The 4 road games are in-conference because, well, they have to play those.
Check out the picture on the right side of linkarticle. Classic and simple. Much better than the Nike-clad unis SC wears now.
As far as the UM football style hockey helmets go I think they are a good look. Reminded me of the helmet Olympic mogul skier and Eagles wideout/punt returner Jeremy Bloom wore which was painted like a University of Colorado football helmet where he played before being ousted by the NCAA. Found a decent picture of it, I always thought it was a good look and certainly a creative way to support the team and show some school pride.
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Many discussions to which I can add my $.02…
I like blue dress uniforms for the army. I’m not a military guy, but blue is the color of the flag, and the rest of military (as far as I know) also has blue…good for consistency. Green is not one of the “national” colors.
Gold unis with white helmets is an awesome look for LSU. We all know how much we dislike purple, so gold is an improvement; however, if the LSU design team is taking suggestions, I say put a little more purple, as accents on those goldies.
I have no idea why the Ducks and Sharks switched the home and away uniforms, but I love the home white tradition, and am still angry at the league for changing them. I really hope the whispers we have been hearing are true, that they will be switched back next season. My home team, the Red Wings, have a far better white than red. Maybe they switched just for variety’s sake.
I love the amount of research that Tom Shieber did on the video!
But, Flag Day is on June 14th, not June 21st. Woodrow Wilson declared June 14th to be Flag Day in 1916. (Maybe they moved it to the 21st in 1930 for some reason? Or, maybe the players were carrying flags around to commemorate the one-weekiversary of Flag Day?)
[quote comment=”53033″]One – rings do not equate to talent. There are a lot of crappy players that have rings. Jorge Posada has 4 rings, Gary Carter has one…who’s the more talented catcher?
Two – Reyes has no say in the uniform choice – as much fun as he has, I bet he’d play in a tutu if they asked him to.
I think Reyes has more talent than Jeter defensively, but Jeter is a more complete hitter at this point – that may very well change though.[/quote]
Thank you. I thought the exact same thing when I read that. I didn’t know owning rings made you the greatest shortstop ever. Because if I recall correctly, those Yankee teams that won all those titles in the 1990’s were carried by guys like Paul O’Neill, Scott Brosius, Bernie Williams, Andy Pettite and Roger Clemens. Please note how many rings Captain Jeter has carried his team to after those guys left and or declined in talent (Bernie) and Jeter was anointed “Mr. Yankee”: ZERO.
That doesn’t mean I think Reyes is the better shortstop. I just think that you need to back up your argument with something better than “Jeter has 4 rings, so he’s the greatest SS of all time”. Because I think someone like Ernie Banks or Cal Ripken Jr. may have something to say about that.
The Yankees still have the classiest uniform in all of baseball, though. Hands down.
[quote comment=”53094″]Ty Law, Super Bowl XXXI.
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I personally love those unis with the Flying Elvis on the sleeves, but it would be cooler with Pat Patriot on there.
And a bonus, I’m lovin the B the Red Sox are rockin on their link
In fact, if not for the “Dressed to the Nines†templates, I probably wouldn’t even be aware of the Indian head (it’s not shown in the Marc Okkonen book on which the “Dressed to the Nines†templates are based).
But Okkonen does, in fact, mention the bright Indian head being on the back of the jerseys in the chapter on the Boston/Milwaukee/Atlanta Braves. So the information is in the book, just not depicted.
[quote comment=”53110″]
maybe this is why
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That is completely false. Paul has already said so on a number of occasions.
Visually… the worst game of the night. PLEASE Notre Dame… DITCH THE BLACK!
Ick
[quote comment=”53115″]A few things:
(1) Dr. Pepper is the #3 cola in the U.S.
(2) The SEC has a rule that for conference football games, if the home team wants to wear white, the visiting team has to let them do it.
(3) If you were watching the soccer game, that means you weren’t watching the UNC-Duke basketball game. And that’s inexcusable, even if you do have to put up with Duke Vitale.[/quote]
First: Dr. Pepper is the best….mmmmm
Second: As much as I am a fan of College Basketball, especially Duke/UNC….I didn’t watch it.
Why?
I was glued to ESPN2. USA vs Mexico in a great stadium full of pro-Mexico fans…with Mexico bringing thier best team, including older, experienced players…and the USA brining a young team, and still pulling out a 2-0 victory over El Tri.
Just want to say that Notre Dame’s alternate unis suck dick. Enough with the black. Where and when the hell has black ever figured in Notre Dame’s color scheme?
Re: The Chargers tweaking. Yeah it really sucks that a regular return to powder blue doesn’t sweem to be in the cards.
[quote comment=”53157″]Just want to say that Notre Dame’s alternate unis suck dick. Enough with the black. Where and when the hell has black ever figured in Notre Dame’s color scheme?
Re: The Chargers tweaking. Yeah it really sucks that a regular return to powder blue doesn’t sweem to be in the cards.[/quote]
Amen about the Notre Dame’s unis. Refer to my pic a few posts back. They are un-called for.
Those cool DePaul unis nearly make up for the Notre Dame eyesores, though. Love those stripes!
The player on UAB just changed his #21 jersey to a #25 jersey due to the fact that he got blood on the original (21) jersey…
the commentators actually picked up on it quickly, for broadcast reasons i assume…
link is an interesting gallery.
If you have a look at photos 17-21, you will see that Trey Henderson, a new recruit for USC, has a strange USC jersey. Anyone have any ideas whats going on? I checked back to his high school days, and this definitely is not an link.
Louisiana Tech baseball will be wearing a black “33” sticker on their helmets in honor of former player link, who was killed by a drunk driver this week. One thing about it, Tech has a #33 currently on the roster, so my thought was to have JW stickers, but they didn’t ask me.
[quote comment=”53115″]
(3) If you were watching the soccer game, that means you weren’t watching the UNC-Duke basketball game. And that’s inexcusable, even if you do have to put up with Duke Vitale.[/quote]
Soccer is better than College Basketball ever was or will ever be. God, I love beating those Mexicans…
Plus, who wants to watch if Duke is going to win?
[quote comment=”53164″]link is an interesting gallery.
If you have a look at photos 17-21, you will see that Trey Henderson, a new recruit for USC, has a strange USC jersey. Anyone have any ideas whats going on? I checked back to his high school days, and this definitely is not an link.[/quote]
That is a link, from when he played at USC.
[quote comment=”53145″][quote comment=”53033″]One – rings do not equate to talent. There are a lot of crappy players that have rings. Jorge Posada has 4 rings, Gary Carter has one…who’s the more talented catcher?
Two – Reyes has no say in the uniform choice – as much fun as he has, I bet he’d play in a tutu if they asked him to.
I think Reyes has more talent than Jeter defensively, but Jeter is a more complete hitter at this point – that may very well change though.[/quote]
Thank you. I thought the exact same thing when I read that. I didn’t know owning rings made you the greatest shortstop ever. Because if I recall correctly, those Yankee teams that won all those titles in the 1990’s were carried by guys like Paul O’Neill, Scott Brosius, Bernie Williams, Andy Pettite and Roger Clemens. Please note how many rings Captain Jeter has carried his team to after those guys left and or declined in talent (Bernie) and Jeter was anointed “Mr. Yankee”: ZERO.
That doesn’t mean I think Reyes is the better shortstop. I just think that you need to back up your argument with something better than “Jeter has 4 rings, so he’s the greatest SS of all time”. Because I think someone like Ernie Banks or Cal Ripken Jr. may have something to say about that.
The Yankees still have the classiest uniform in all of baseball, though. Hands down.[/quote]
Can’t forget the SFGiants and, well, the Dodgers.
Re: “Tampa Bay” talk.
I always thought “Tampa Bay” meant the whole metropolitan Tampa-St. Petersburg area, sort of like “Twin Cities” means Minneapolis-St. Paul or “Chicagoland” means Chicago & suburbs. Of course, there are no Chicagoland Bears, Metroplex Cowboys, San Francisco Bay 49ers, etc, but you get the point.
Wearing #55 on signing day is a bold move, seeing as it is a number that isn’t chosen but assigned by head coach Pete Carroll. Junior Seau and Willie McGinest are just two of defensive standouts who have worn the number. I believe it is currently worn by Keith Rivers
[quote comment=”53168″][quote comment=”53115″]
(3) If you were watching the soccer game, that means you weren’t watching the UNC-Duke basketball game. And that’s inexcusable, even if you do have to put up with Duke Vitale.[/quote]
Soccer is better than College Basketball ever was or will ever be. God, I love beating those Mexicans…
Plus, who wants to watch if Duke is going to win?[/quote]
No it is not inexcusable this day and age to miss Duke vs. UNC men’s basketball. I have a no Vitale clause in my household. (until ACC tourney)
Now if they could go back to the unis of the early 90s that would be change things.
[quote comment=”52872″][quote comment=”52861″]I think Tampa should consider ‘revising’ their stadium before anything. Why would a team playing in the sunshine state wanna be closed in 100% of the time?? Beats the shit outta me let me tell ya. Ok it gets hot blah blah blah, it also gets cold in Detroit and Chicago, no roof.!! At least have a retractable roof for pete’s sake. If I recall correctly, the best short short of all time, Derek Jeter, said the Tampa Bay baseball stadium is the worst infield he has ever played on. Not to mention they have speakers and wires and junk up top that interfere in play.[/quote]
Best SS of all time? hahaha… they have a better SS playing third base…[/quote]
Derek Jeter is the most overrated player in baseball. He doesn’t even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as other great shortstops. He is riding the coattails of the great yankee TEAM that won so many World Series. If u put Jeter on the Devil Rays will they win it all. Not even close.
[quote comment=”53115″]A few things:
(1) Dr. Pepper is the #3 cola in the U.S.
([/quote]
Bullshit.
Coke or more precisely Coca Cola Classic is #1, followed by Pepsi, followed by Diet Pepsi, then Diet Coke.
to respone of the sharks/ducks wearing road whites at home games, is nhl will switch to white for home jerseys next year in divisonal games
Ugh, why is it that white has to be the home colors? Who buys white jerseys? No one (creeps maybe), so the fans that will be at the home game will be decked in the colors, so should the team on the rink. Also, it stinks that the Minnesota Wild are going Red rather than Green next year. Too many Red teams now. Hardly anyone wears green for their jerseys, plus Green just goes with Minnesota, red goes with the Desert the teams that claim they are Hockey Town USA, but don’t even exist in the state of hockey (MN).