Mods Find New Job Opportunity in NHL

Perhaps there just wasn’t enough time for the Mets to come up with some sort of patch. I wonder if the fact that his only year with the Mets was 1997 played into that, as well. I wonder how many of the seven teams that he link will wear some sort of memorial next year.

On a ligther note, I enjoyed the description of the Caps’ Capitol Building logo as a “splattered bug.”

The MSU uniforms look similar to the ones they wore last season, and also the UNC uniforms look horrible, since the flag does not sit well on the jersey – or in the same spot on the players, it looks like.

Did UNC get rid of the argyle pattern on the shorts? Thats a disgrace if true…

[quote comment=”13462″][quote comment=”13460″]The MSU uniforms look similar to the ones they wore last season..[/quote]

I beg to differ: link; link.

The whole collarbone stripe thing has officially entered the “10 Most Annoying Nike Tropes” list, clocking in at about No. 8.[/quote]

I couldn’t agree more about the collarbone stripes. While I love watching college basketball, I increasingly find that I need to look past the many horrible designs — many perpetrated by Nike — creeping into the college game.

I’m grateful that my team, the Indiana Hoosiers, have largely stuck with tradition. Who doesn’t love the candy-striped warmup pants? And former coach Mike Davis nearly incited a fan revolt alone by implying that team jerseys might carry players’ names. The vociferous negative reaction from IU Nation spiked that idea, thank God.

Re: the rounded logo phenomenon in the NHL, I’m guessing there’s a subconcious desire of shooters to aim at something that even slightly resembles a target.

Maybe this leads to more shots hitting the goalie right in the chest…

[quote comment=”13469″]Re: the rounded logo phenomenon in the NHL, I’m guessing there’s a subconcious desire of shooters to aim at something that even slightly resembles a target.

Maybe this leads to more shots hitting the goalie right in the chest…[/quote]

As a hockey player for over 15 years now, I can say with a high level of confidence that any evidence “they” may have is probably coincidence. When I go to shoot the puck, I am not looking at the goalie. I am looking at where the goalie ISN’T. In other words, I look for holes and shoot at those holes, whether they be over the shoulders, between the legs, etc.

Sorry, I forgot the link.

Paul-
i think Michigan State may have played in jerseys very similar to this years for at least one game last year. there was a weekend when most of the “nike elite” teams ditched their traditional uni’s for the collarbone line template with gray/silver shoulders. here is UNC’s for that one game.

link

notice the difference between that and their regular jerseys

link

i know that duke and ohio state did this, but i believe both michigan and michigan state were alos involved in the promotion.

I like the MSU and Carolina jerseys. Nike might be a four-letter word around here, but nobody does college hoops better.

Those collarbone template jerseys were worn in the Big 10/ACC Challenge last year.

[quote comment=”13468″]wasnt the mets pitching coach Lidle pitching coach in Oakland?[/quote]

Yes, and right after the crash he did interviews on ESPN about Lidle.

Marty Turco holds the GAA record in the NHL when he was while wearing the Stars jersey. More legend than truth if you ask me.

This reminds me of the George Plimpton book where he becomes a goalie for the Bruins (sorry, can’t remember the name off the top of my head). He’s thinking about painting something on his helmet and has an idea about an evil eye that would ward off shots. When he suggests it to one of the Bruins, he gets told; ‘are you sure you want a target on your head?’

Q: Why are there no Mods in Iraq?
A: Would you walk around there with a target on your back?

I think it is impossible not to look at the goalie when you are shooting. You have a rather large field of vision and even when you concentrate on the areas where the goalie is not, you still see the goalie. I would assume this target phenomenon would be more prevalent the farther away you are when you shoot.

It would be interesting to see the methodology used in this study. Maybe the teams with asymmetrical jerseys just have crappy goalies.

quite an interesting view of the link on Carlos “Cardinal killer” Beltran

1-0 BABY

i guess OSU is too cheap to put the Nike stripes on their link, but they can afford to put them on the link. Very interesting.

Anybody catch Kirk Herbstreit and Mark May on SportsCenter before the BC/VT game game last night discussing the best & worst unis in college football?

Herbstreit said Michigan had the best and Wyoming the worst.

May copped out and just went with conferences… said the Big Ten had the best (cited Michigan, OSU & PSU as examples), and the Pac-10 as the worst (Oregon, WSU, Cal).

I can’t stand either of those dorks, but it was uni related so I posted it… wtf.

[quote comment=”13497″]i guess OSU is too cheap to put the Nike stripes on their link, but they can afford to put them on the link. Very interesting.[/quote]

um, if you look more closely at the chica to the far right in the back, you’ll see the swoosh-stika on her shorts.

Why do the uniforms for the ohio state women’s team look so much better than the unis for the men?

above quote from wiki
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[quote comment=”13466″][quote comment=”13462″][quote comment=”13460″]The MSU uniforms look similar to the ones they wore last season..[/quote]

I beg to differ: link; link.

The whole collarbone stripe thing has officially entered the “10 Most Annoying Nike Tropes” list, clocking in at about No. 8.[/quote]

I couldn’t agree more about the collarbone stripes. While I love watching college basketball, I increasingly find that I need to look past the many horrible designs — many perpetrated by Nike — creeping into the college game.

I’m grateful that my team, the Indiana Hoosiers, have largely stuck with tradition. Who doesn’t love the candy-striped warmup pants? And former coach Mike Davis nearly incited a fan revolt alone by implying that team jerseys might carry players’ names. The vociferous negative reaction from IU Nation spiked that idea, thank God.[/quote]
Yes, Hoosier nation’s insistence on tradition has carved itself a corner of my heart. No small feat as I’m a Syracuse alum that was witness to Keith Smart’s nano-second in the sun (in person, mind you).

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Ohhhh no, look at the back of the OSU hoops jerseys, the Nike bib, ala U of Miami football

Ohio State is wearing wrap around NIKE jerseys in basketball this year.

And was it just me, or did Tom Glavine’s hat seem to have a really short bill last night. It looked likea kiddie hat.

[quote comment=”13518″][quote comment=”13508″][quote comment=”13497″]i guess OSU is too cheap to put the Nike stripes on their link, but they can afford to put them on the link. Very interesting.[/quote]

um, if you look more closely at the chica to the far right in the back, you’ll see the swoosh-stika on her shorts.[/quote]

This may be a bit of a stretch, but if you look at the red stripe on the left left leg in the mens picture and follow it to the right leg, then up along the ribs, it looks like the stripe on the jersey juts in a little bit in a curved maner (see #31), almost in a “swoosh-like” fashion.

Am I seeing things, making too much out of nothing, or are those unis one big giant swoosh?[/quote]

I was not necessarily talking about the stripes on the shorts, but rather the uniform jerseys, which don’t have the Nike black stripes on the shoulders.

I’m watching the Cards v. Mets this morning(I live in Tokyo), and I am thinking to myself, is it me or do those Majestic brand jerseys look like cheapo replica jerseys?

[quote comment=”13523″][quote comment=”13518″][quote comment=”13508″][quote comment=”13497″]i guess OSU is too cheap to put the Nike stripes on their link, but they can afford to put them on the link. Very interesting.[/quote]

um, if you look more closely at the chica to the far right in the back, you’ll see the swoosh-stika on her shorts.[/quote]

This may be a bit of a stretch, but if you look at the red stripe on the left left leg in the mens picture and follow it to the right leg, then up along the ribs, it looks like the stripe on the jersey juts in a little bit in a curved maner (see #31), almost in a “swoosh-like” fashion.

Am I seeing things, making too much out of nothing, or are those unis one big giant swoosh?[/quote]

I was not necessarily talking about the stripes on the shorts, but rather the uniform jerseys, which don’t have the Nike black stripes on the shoulders.[/quote]

Ah. I realize that now. True enough. While it would be nice for women’s and men’s teams to have the same unis, I think, as an earlier poster said, that the women’s team is better off without the excessive striping.

the template used for unc and osu this year looks like the one used by link last year (the shorts and side panels are link)…

the link from last year were pretty pimperish though.

[quote comment=”13484″]Will we ever get the flags off unis? Seems to me that liking one’s home country is pretty much the default position of Americans everywhere, so that the flags aren’t needed. And usually they just don’t look good, esp when the team has a different color scheme.

Maybe take the flags off of all shirts, hats, and helmets UNLESS you really do dislike America, in which case you can wear O.G. upside down. Or move to Russia or something.[/quote]

Dude… TANGET ALERT:

Why is it that if you don’t like america it’s always ‘move to Russia’? Why can’t we be original and say something else…. like move to France or ‘andate a Costa Rica’ or ‘off you go to Scotland’ .. the move to Russia thing sounds a bit ‘Rush Limbaugh’ to some (and we know what he’s on, right?) Sorry about the rant, but had to get it off my chest. Hope this doesn’t earn me a stint in Paul’s ‘Sin bin’. (That’s a hockey reference, you sickos)

Good Dark Alt. Cap v. Bad Dark Alt. Cap

All night I was reminded how ugly the link is compared to the link.

The Cardinals black cap uses the red, white, and black of their traditional link. The Mets scrunch the tradional blue and orange from their traditional link into the little NY logo then surround it with random black and then patronize tradition with the blue bill. What cap has ever looked good with a contrasting brill?!

As great as the game was (for us, anyway), the caps are like having a guy sitting behind you at the game explaining the game to his wife… and getting the rules wrong.

Alabama had the collarbone jerseys last year, but when the SEC had link toward the end of the season, the team stuck with those jerseys for the rest of the year because they thought they looked better. Unfortunately, they went back with the collarbone link

[quote comment=”13480″][quote comment=”13471″][quote comment=”13469″]Re: the rounded logo phenomenon in the NHL, I’m guessing there’s a subconcious desire of shooters to aim at something that even slightly resembles a target.

Maybe this leads to more shots hitting the goalie right in the chest…[/quote]

As a hockey player for over 15 years now, I can say with a high level of confidence that any evidence “they” may have is probably coincidence. When I go to shoot the puck, I am not looking at the goalie. I am looking at where the goalie ISN’T. In other words, I look for holes and shoot at those holes, whether they be over the shoulders, between the legs, etc.[/quote]

I concur. I always look at the netting around the goalie or between his pads. Never at his chest. Always aim for the corners.[/quote]

I said the same thing to my buddy when he told me about this. I’ve played hockey for years and said I never really look at the goalie…so I wouldn’t care if he had a round or diagonal logo…it wouldn’t impact my shot.

He said that it’s something you pick up in your periphery. If you’re looking toward the net t all…if the goalie is framed right…no matter where you’re looking, you will pick up the logo if it’s one of these target logos. Some players might not be affected at all….some, it might move their shot just a hair more toward center.

They didn’t have hard numbers as to whether or not it was a causal connection or mere coincidence. He thinks that the NHL might have gone one, after the fact, and done their own study…because he never heard about it again.

Like I said…it’s a theory they have.

[quote comment=”13534″][quote comment=”13509″]“Lidle was signed in 1990 by the Minnesota Twins as an amateur free agent. After his release in 1993, he was signed by the Milwaukee Brewers. Lidle was then traded in 1996 to the New York Mets, and made his Major League debut for the Mets on May 8, 1997. Due to his participation as a replacement player during the 1994 baseball strike, he was not eligible to join the MLB Players Union.”

He still was covered by everything in the players union contract. He isn’t covered in the Players union liscensing. Which means his name and likeness in video games (his name is probably replaced by his number or a random name), baseball cards, memorbilia or anything else that is liscensed by the MLB players union.

Did not know that. I did hear a news blurb today that his wife and children would receive his pension, but if he’s not a member of the union is he eligible?[/quote][/quote]

I saw it on ESPN.com or SI.com or something don’t remember where. It could have been Sportscenter this morning. I also vaguely remember it from when Rick Reed pitched for the Mets (I remember having to redo Reed’s name in the game).

[quote comment=”13544″][quote comment=”13534″][quote comment=”13509″]“Lidle was signed in 1990 by the Minnesota Twins as an amateur free agent. After his release in 1993, he was signed by the Milwaukee Brewers. Lidle was then traded in 1996 to the New York Mets, and made his Major League debut for the Mets on May 8, 1997. Due to his participation as a replacement player during the 1994 baseball strike, he was not eligible to join the MLB Players Union.”

He still was covered by everything in the players union contract. He isn’t covered in the Players union liscensing. Which means his name and likeness in video games (his name is probably replaced by his number or a random name), baseball cards, memorbilia or anything else that is liscensed by the MLB players union.

Did not know that. I did hear a news blurb today that his wife and children would receive his pension, but if he’s not a member of the union is he eligible?[/quote][/quote]

I saw it on ESPN.com or SI.com or something don’t remember where. It could have been Sportscenter this morning. I also vaguely remember it from when Rick Reed pitched for the Mets (I remember having to redo Reed’s name in the game).[/quote]

Kevin Millar, Barry Bonds, and Brian Daubach were also not members of the MLBPA and subsequently were either missing from the video games or were a made up character. Millar and Daubach were normaly left off but Bonds was a white guy #51 and batted right handed on the EASports game that no longer exists.

[quote comment=”13500″]Although I’ve never played hockey I’ve played lacrosse for well over 12 years now and can tell you that of course you’re taught to shoot where the goalie isn’t but that bright colors and targets do attract your eye. it’s a natural human reaction. i know many of my goalie friends swear by bright colored mesh for their stick becuase the shooters eye is naturally attracted to it. who can look away from neon yellow?[/quote]

I agree with the lacrosse player. As a hockey player, you are taught to look where you want to shoot, as was the case when I dabbled in lax as well. If circular shapes are more pleasing to your eyes, your natural human response is to look there. While this may not cause you to shoot exactly at the target, it may cause you to shoot slightly off where you inteded to shoot, more towards the logo. I am sure some university could do some research testing accuracy when there is a second target present or something.

Two years ago I needed a new keeper jersey for Soccer. One of my choices at a local store looked pretty much like the guy in the picture at the lead of this article (Yellow instead of white with the target). The tag on it had a whole write up on how the target would cause strikers to shoot the ball right at the keeper instead of the back of the net. Kinda wish I would have got it just for the laughs on the pitch.

Boo on Ohio State for adopting that nasty uniform. Now I have to look at it when they show up at my school, and that is just no good.

On the hockey logos: Looks like Buffalo may be the best team in the league this season. Any time someone shoots the puck, they’ll be distracted by/want to take their anger out on the slug. (side note: Paul, you might want to start up a Uni Watch Buffalo Office and make it the headquarters for “Ditch the Slug”)

[quote comment=”13532″][quote comment=”13522″][quote comment=”13517″]http://photo.the-ozone.net/photo.view.cfm?PhotoID=13269&PhotoCounter=10&StartRow=-11&numberofentries=3&SportPTR=3&SessionPTR=9&SortOrder=ASC

Ohhhh no, look at the back of the OSU hoops jerseys, the Nike bib, ala U of Miami football[/quote]

beat me by a minute![/quote]

Yeah, but nice photo Chad, where did you get that one?[/quote]

Front page of the Indianapolis Star

[quote comment=”13554″][quote comment=”13539″]Good Dark Alt. Cap v. Bad Dark Alt. Cap

All night I was reminded how ugly the link is compared to the link.

The Cardinals black cap uses the red, white, and black of their traditional link. The Mets scrunch the tradional blue and orange from their traditional link into the little NY logo then surround it with random black and then patronize tradition with the blue bill. What cap has ever looked good with a contrasting brill?!

As great as the game was (for us, anyway), the caps are like having a guy sitting behind you at the game explaining the game to his wife… and getting the rules wrong.[/quote]

Well, I can think of the Orioles, A’s, the old Angels (think Rod Carew) & others i’m sure, as examples of good looking contrasting bills. But i’m with you on your general point. Met’s need to pull out the blue for the remainder of the Cardinal’s swatting.[/quote]

I may be superstitious, but the Mets haven’t lost in the playoffs wearing the snow whites and the black/blue hat… why mess now with what ur winning with…

I am buying the target goalie theory. in pheasant hunting most hunters miss behind the bird because his long tail thrashes the air and draws the eye to it. you end up shooting at this tail feathers and that won’t get it done. anything done in a flash is subject to the eye being drawn to the wrong thing.

I happen to own one of link DOn’t know if it helps or not, but I’ve saved my fair share of pucks.

[quote comment=”13557″][quote comment=”13546″]I think the Card’s navy caps are almost as bad as the Mets’ black caps. Whats up with teams that are named for their propensity towards red shedding it from their wardrobe almost completely: Cardinals, Reds, Red Sox.[/quote]

The RED SOX. When the John Henry group bought the team they started a return to the red. They added a link then they started selling player t-shirts in link, which had only previously been sold in link. They also started wearing link for spring training rather than link.[/quote]

Wonder why they haven’t brought link babies yet?

[quote comment=”13477″]Paul-
i think Michigan State may have played in jerseys very similar to this years for at least one game last year. there was a weekend when most of the “nike elite” teams ditched their traditional uni’s for the collarbone line template with gray/silver shoulders. here is UNC’s for that one game.

link

notice the difference between that and their regular jerseys

link

i know that duke and ohio state did this, but i believe both michigan and michigan state were alos involved in the promotion.[/quote]

they wore the silver-shoulder jerseys for the acc-big ten challenge

I too am fascinated by the goalie target logo theory, but I call into question using the Capitals and Rangers getting scored on more as proof of this theory. Both of these teams have not been that good recently, and that can easily explain why more pucks fly past their goailes than other netminders.

Now if there was a study on how many goals go past Ranger goalies when they wear their slanted lettering jerseys versus how many go in when they wear their Statue of Liberty head logoed third jerseys you may be on to something…

Do the Mets starting pitchers not pick what jersey they wear for that game?

I know with the Cubs, the starting pitcher gets to wear whatever jersey he wants, and the rest of the team has to follow in accordance.

For instance, Mark Prior always picks white pinstripes, whereas always picks to wear the Blue alternate uni.

[quote comment=”13568″]So Paul, looks like no chance of shaming the Mets into wearing their blue caps for even ONE game in the postseason, huh?[/quote]

I think the key would be to send the organization a check for $37.73. It worked for link Mets uniform related endeavors initiated by Uni Watch.

[quote comment=”13554″][quote comment=”13539″]Good Dark Alt. Cap v. Bad Dark Alt. Cap

All night I was reminded how ugly the link is compared to the link.

The Cardinals black cap uses the red, white, and black of their traditional link. The Mets scrunch the tradional blue and orange from their traditional link into the little NY logo then surround it with random black and then patronize tradition with the blue bill. What cap has ever looked good with a contrasting brill?!

As great as the game was (for us, anyway), the caps are like having a guy sitting behind you at the game explaining the game to his wife… and getting the rules wrong.[/quote]

Well, I can think of the Orioles, A’s, the old Angels (think Rod Carew) & others i’m sure, as examples of good looking contrasting bills. But i’m with you on your general point. Met’s need to pull out the blue for the remainder of the Cardinal’s swatting.[/quote]

the Braves contrasting bill makes for one of the best hats in all of baseball
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The mod/hockey connection is a malicious fiction concocted by internet bloggers in order to sell more Vespas to Canadians. If there were truly a mod/hockey/target connection, why would the Minnesota Wild play across the river in St. Paul, as opposed to downtown Minneapolis at the TARGET CENTER (which is, incidentally, kitty corner from the First Avenue/7th Street Entry rock-plex which has, from time to time, played host to mod bands [and, if you don’t believe me, here’s the Minnesota Historical Society’s archive of all the bands that have played at First Ave/7th St: link)? Further, the fact that the one and only “hockey” jersey i own is a KISS “Rock And Roll Over” jersey should put the kibosh on the whole mod/hockey thing once and for all. Then again, now that i think about it, the central “Rock And Roll Over” image is clearly a target itself (www.kissfaq.com/albumcovers/raro/raro_sticker.jpg) so maybe i better STFU for a while.

Nice looking contrasting bills:

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I have always liked the A’s hat. The Indians hat is Ok.

[quote comment=”13538″][quote comment=”13525″]Seeing those new basketball uni’s makes me happy that KU switched from Nike to Addidas awhile ago. Also, is that the “Air Jordan” logo on Carolina’s shorts? That’s pretty tacky if you ask me.[/quote]
technically, nike doesnt make UNC’s jerseys. the jordan brand does. no swoosh just the jumpman on the jerseys[/quote]

Also, Jordan went to UNC, so I’m sure that played into it. Thankfully, he has better taste (or at least more respect for tradition) than his parent company.

[quote comment=”13571″]Do the Mets starting pitchers not pick what jersey they wear for that game?

I know with the Cubs, the starting pitcher gets to wear whatever jersey he wants, and the rest of the team has to follow in accordance.

For instance, Mark Prior always picks white pinstripes, whereas always picks to wear the Blue alternate uni.[/quote]

No, Charlie Samuels, the Mets equipment manager picks, and since he thinks the blue caps clash with the Mets black jackets, HE does not let the Mets wear their blue caps whenever it is cold enough that people other than Rick Petersen will wear jackets in the dugout.

Ridiculous, no?

Why is it that if you don’t like america it’s always ‘move to Russia’? Why can’t we be original and say something else…. like move to France or ‘andate a Costa Rica’ or ‘off you go to Scotland’ .. the move to Russia thing sounds a bit ‘Rush Limbaugh’ to some…

Just a holdover from the Cold War days I guess. I know passions can get pretty high when the flag is involved, and I didn’t want my comments to be taken too seriously so I just threw it in there as a pro forma joke. (See also: “Will these damn kids get off my lawn?”)

Why is it that the Cardinals have never had “St. Louis” on their away jersey?

Just have to add my two-cents to the “Ditch the Black” debate. I have no problem with the Mets using black as an “accessory” color, the way the Giants use link as a color to add a backdrop to their normal logo.

But c’mon, name one team that looked good using black and royal blue as primary uniform colors…

That Phillies cap with the star in the middle of the “P” is a good one. Might make a good Sunday alt. uni.

See, people are talking about good-looking contrasting-color hats, and I can’t agree more with the examples presented. The key difference between a hat like the link and a hat like the link is the fact that Black and Orange are and always have been the Orioles’ official colors. Black didn’t become a Mets color until recently, and that is part of the reason that their color-contrasting hats are so shunned.

i’m going to sign on to the theory about shooting at a target jersey. it would be really tough to prove using game data (GAA is dependent on defense and opposing teams, etc.), but could possibly be tested in a lab.

growing up as a lacrosse goalie, i knew guys who dyed their stick heads and meshes bright colors or who would put paint on their gloves to try to draw a shooter’s eye on a quick shot.

it’s anecdotal evidence without photo backup (this was high school ball), but it was the prevailing theory among coaches and goalies across the northeast at the time…

Those new MSU hoops unis are so lame it’s laughable. Washington State also wears something that is completely stupid. A uniform should identify what school you play for, right? Then what the hell does “State” tell you? Other than the school is incredibly lame! It’s like Belushi’s great “College” sweatshirt in “Animal House” only that was intentionally funny. Seriously,”state” is the best thing they can come up with to put on a uni? The “state” of higher education seems be in trouble indeed!

[quote comment=”13589″]Why is it that if you don’t like america it’s always ‘move to Russia’? Why can’t we be original and say something else…. like move to France or ‘andate a Costa Rica’ or ‘off you go to Scotland’ .. the move to Russia thing sounds a bit ‘Rush Limbaugh’ to some…

Just a holdover from the Cold War days I guess. I know passions can get pretty high when the flag is involved, and I didn’t want my comments to be taken too seriously so I just threw it in there as a pro forma joke. (See also: “Will these damn kids get off my lawn?”)[/quote]

I think I’m closer to the ‘chase kids off my lawn’ character that I care to admit. :)
i’m getting a bit to curmudgeony for a person in their 30’s.

[quote comment=”13601″]Those new MSU hoops unis are so lame it’s laughable. Washington State also wears something that is completely stupid. A uniform should identify what school you play for, right? Then what the hell does “State” tell you? Other than the school is incredibly lame! It’s like Belushi’s great “College” sweatshirt in “Animal House” only that was intentionally funny. Seriously,”state” is the best thing they can come up with to put on a uni? The “state” of higher education seems be in trouble indeed![/quote]

Wow!! The STATE on the jersey goes back to the link They are classic unis as far as MSU basketball goes

[quote comment=”13602″][quote comment=”13598″]#100

link

It would be distinctive.

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Or even this, Charlie Brown?[/quote]

Good God!! I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

And even more so with link, link, link, and link.[/quote]
Shouldn’t that be ‘Good Grief’, Kenny?

quote comment=”13596″][quote comment=”13593″]Just have to add my two-cents to the “Ditch the Black” debate. I have no problem with the Mets using black as an “accessory” color, the way the Giants use link as a color to add a backdrop to their normal logo.

But c’mon, name one team that looked good using black and royal blue as primary uniform colors…[/quote]

I’ll name one link[/quote]

Well, OK, I’ll give you that one. My soccer ignorance is glaringly obvious. But for the major domestic sports, black and blue is link.

[quote comment=”13558″]I may be superstitious, but the Mets haven’t lost in the playoffs wearing the snow whites and the black/blue hat… why mess now with what ur winning with…[/quote]

They also have never won a World Series since adopting black into thier color scheme.

Hmm.

[quote comment=”13614″]flags:

why the hell do all these teams have to wear a flag? people worship a piece of cotton so much they consider the materials used more important than the meaning it’s supposed to represent.

i’d be more impressed if a team had the Bill of Rights on a helmet – THAT would be cool.

*(yes, i’m liberal punk rocker)*

on another note, isn’t it weird to see SO many athletes from so many different countries have to wear an American flag but cannot wear their own home countries flag? I’m thinking baseball in particular here…

unrelated: i think Nike sucks, pretty much generally. i don’t like anything they’ve done in years…[/quote]

So do Toronto and then Montreal have to wear the US flag on July 4 at home?

[quote comment=”13596″][quote comment=”13593″]Just have to add my two-cents to the “Ditch the Black” debate. I have no problem with the Mets using black as an “accessory” color, the way the Giants use link as a color to add a backdrop to their normal logo.

But c’mon, name one team that looked good using black and royal blue as primary uniform colors…[/quote]

I’ll name one link[/quote]

While not bad, they don’t look as good as thier link!

[quote comment=”13609″]quote comment=”13596″][quote comment=”13593″]Just have to add my two-cents to the “Ditch the Black” debate. I have no problem with the Mets using black as an “accessory” color, the way the Giants use link as a color to add a backdrop to their normal logo.

But c’mon, name one team that looked good using black and royal blue as primary uniform colors…[/quote]

I’ll name one link[/quote]

Well, OK, I’ll give you that one. My soccer ignorance is glaringly obvious. But for the major domestic sports, black and blue is link.[/quote]

Black and blue looks odd? Speak for yourself! It’s an link link link!

The Blue Jays did play the Expos on July 4, 2004 in Montreal. I have not yet been able to find proof if they wore American flags on their hats or not.

[quote comment=”13595″]That Phillies cap with the star in the middle of the “P” is a good one. Might make a good Sunday alt. uni.

See, people are talking about good-looking contrasting-color hats, and I can’t agree more with the examples presented. The key difference between a hat like the link and a hat like the link is the fact that Black and Orange are and always have been the Orioles’ official colors. Black didn’t become a Mets color until recently, and that is part of the reason that their color-contrasting hats are so shunned.[/quote]

that phillies hat with the blue bill is used during interleague play.

phillies “alt” cap

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I came a bit late to the blog today seeing as though there are already so many post, so I may be repeating. If I am repeating, i’m sorry.

I played goalie through the college ranks. I did notice that the one team I played for that didn’t have a big logo, but rather Rangers style lettering was a difficult season for me as I had to react more to better shots.

If you look at former Devils goalie Chico Reeshe’s 3 rules of goaltending (1-keep you stick on the ice 2-stay square to the puck 3-forwards are stupid) I think the third rule helps explain what’s happening.

While shooters are taught to shoot for the open net, when they’re looking at the net and the goalie in it, their eye is unconsciouly drawn to the big logo on the goalie’s chest instead of the holes to which they can score through. This is why so many shots go right into the goalies chest.

does anyone else think that the sim picture that paul used today could pass for a young adam morrison?

Hey Paul, link I know you want to “ditch the black” and all but would this be a better alternative if you couldn’t just have your blue cap?

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Yeah – my thought is – not good enough to make the playoffs no matter what hat they wear – Howard is a monster though.

I’ve never really thought that link looked like a bullseye. How can the theory then be used to explain link?

Central Florida will debut new link tonight against Pitt on ESPN. I think the fans are going to have a “blackout” or something.

[quote comment=”13635″]As a hockey player of many years the logo to save% theory seems utterly ridiculous. Players are taught from day one to shoot for the “white” of the net and goalies are taught to take the white away. The best goalies in fact will intentionally leave an area of the net open, knowing the white will attract the shooters eye, anticipate the shot in that area and make the save. “Roy offered him the five hole and then took it away”! Sound familiar? The theory may have some validity when talking about beer league players or kids but I’m not buying it when we talk about the best players in the world that can hit spots in their sleep. They are not goin to be hypnotized by the “birdie”. Another weapon goalies use in offering the shooters white that isn’t actually there, comes in the form of the design of their pads. Often there will be a solid color with white appearing on the inside of the pads to make it appear as though there is more space in the 5 hole. See here..

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Great photo. I actualy had those pads for a few years for that exact reason. I now have mostly black pads because if the ref can’t see the puck, you get a quicker whistle.

How about link one instead.

Sorry for the long post, but I have been researching this all morning. I have to agree with all those who have said that there is nothing relative between logo and save percentage. Since 1982, when stats tracking changed, there have been a few dominant goalies who have played for very good teams. Here’s a look:

Since 1982, there have been a total of 23 different goalies who have shared or won the William M. Jennings award for having the best goals-against-average (GAA). If you take out the one-time winners, there have only been 6 repeat winners. Since 1982, there have been a total of 12 goalies who have won the Roger Crozier award for best save percentage, but there have only been 4 repeat winners in that time. Since 1982, there have been 15 different goalies who have won the Vezina award for best goalie, and only 4 goalies have been repeat winners.

If you examine the lists of goalies, there are a few names which keep coming up: Dominik Hasek, Martin Brodeur, Patrick Roy, and Ed Belfour. From 1989-1995, these four goalies dominated the NHL award podiums:

Hasek won the Crozier award 7 times (1993-99), the Jennings award twice (1994, 2001), and the Vezina award 6 times (94-95, 97-99, 2001).

Brodeur has never won the Crozier award, won the Jennings award 3 times (97-98, 2004), and won the Vezina twice (03-04).

Roy won the Crozier award 4 times (88-90, 1992), won the Jennings award 5 times (87-89, 1992, 2002), and won the Vezina award 3 times (89-90, 1992).

Belfour won the Crozier award twice (91, 2000), won the Jennings award 3 times (91, 93, 95), and won the Vezina award twice (91, 93).

If you look at the years listed with those goalies, all of their major accomplishments happened in and around the same time frame. The fact that Hasek, Roy, and Brodeur played for a team with a somewhat circular logo is coincidental. Belfour played for the Hawks and Leafs when he was winning awards, and they are far from circular.

Save percentage and GAA are based on the goalie’s ability to stop the puck, and nothing else.

[quote comment=”13643″]I’ve never really thought that link looked like a bullseye. How can the theory then be used to explain link?[/quote]

On second thought, the ’93 Rangers hat emblem does have the same colors as a bullseye. I can’t figure out how this all lead to Canseco’s Tommy John’s surgery after only a few pitches later that year though.

As a lifelong Carolina fan I’m usually pro-UNC on everything, but the new jersey tops (the shorts look the same) are hideous. There are a few schools that have such a tradition that their jerseys shouldn’t be messed with. Such schools are UCLA, Indiana, Kentucky (Nike messed them up), Carolina (Nike has now done them) and Duke (the black makes them look like a high school team). Carolina should go back to these shorts.

Carolina should go with adidas, for real. I know Jordan wen to Carolina and all, but this Nike stuff has gotten out of hand. Heck, they can go with ProKeds or BusterBrown for all I care, just get regular jerseys again!

[quote comment=”13656″]As a lifelong Carolina fan I’m usually pro-UNC on everything, but the new jersey tops (the shorts look the same) are hideous. There are a few schools that have such a tradition that their jerseys shouldn’t be messed with. Such schools are UCLA, Indiana, Kentucky (Nike messed them up), Carolina (Nike has now done them) and Duke (the black makes them look like a high school team). Carolina should go back to these shorts.[/quote]
oh, i dig the Syracuse shorts there… those are Bowie & Louie Show era uniforms. SWEET.

[quote comment=”13664″][quote comment=”13657″]And this top, I mean.[/quote]

just get this throwback jets jersey…
a beaut!
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[quote comment=”13664″]I despise Duke & all that, but I’d love a jersey that just said ‘Boozer’ on the back. That’s a great drinking shirt !
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Too bad link didn’t have the foresight to put link on the backs of their jerseys. That could’ve been a great revenue producer for them. Could’ve paid for their plane tix everytime they go on the road.

> Wes Walz was wearing mismatched gloves last night

Wes changes his gear between each period, feels that dry equipment helps his game (speedster). I can see that leading to equipment mismatches.

[quote comment=”13466″][quote comment=”13462″][quote comment=”13460″]The MSU uniforms look similar to the ones they wore last season..[/quote]

I beg to differ: link; link.

The whole collarbone stripe thing has officially entered the “10 Most Annoying Nike Tropes” list, clocking in at about No. 8.[/quote]

I couldn’t agree more about the collarbone stripes. While I love watching college basketball, I increasingly find that I need to look past the many horrible designs — many perpetrated by Nike — creeping into the college game.

I’m grateful that my team, the Indiana Hoosiers, have largely stuck with tradition. Who doesn’t love the candy-striped warmup pants? And former coach Mike Davis nearly incited a fan revolt alone by implying that team jerseys might carry players’ names. The vociferous negative reaction from IU Nation spiked that idea, thank God.[/quote]

I HATE the NC State style jerseys with no names on the back! They look like they’re used in a cheap TV commercial. The players who made the team deserve the names on their backs in this day and age.

[quote comment=”13502″]Anybody catch Kirk Herbstreit and Mark May on SportsCenter before the BC/VT game game last night discussing the best & worst unis in college football?

Herbstreit said Michigan had the best and Wyoming the worst.

May copped out and just went with conferences… said the Big Ten had the best (cited Michigan, OSU & PSU as examples), and the Pac-10 as the worst (Oregon, WSU, Cal).

I can’t stand either of those dorks, but it was uni related so I posted it… wtf.[/quote]

Those guys are dorks! Can’t stand them. What lame responses.

[quote comment=”13543″][quote comment=”13539″]Good Dark Alt. Cap v. Bad Dark Alt. Cap

All night I was reminded how ugly the link is compared to the link.

The Cardinals black cap uses the red, white, and black of their traditional link. The Mets scrunch the tradional blue and orange from their traditional link into the little NY logo then surround it with random black and then patronize tradition with the blue bill. What cap has ever looked good with a contrasting brill?!

As great as the game was (for us, anyway), the caps are like having a guy sitting behind you at the game explaining the game to his wife… and getting the rules wrong.[/quote]

i thought the cards cap was navy.[/quote]

I too thought so…Navy hats = zzzzzz.

[quote comment=”13601″]Those new MSU hoops unis are so lame it’s laughable. Washington State also wears something that is completely stupid. A uniform should identify what school you play for, right? Then what the hell does “State” tell you? Other than the school is incredibly lame! It’s like Belushi’s great “College” sweatshirt in “Animal House” only that was intentionally funny. Seriously,”state” is the best thing they can come up with to put on a uni? The “state” of higher education seems be in trouble indeed![/quote]

Not to burst your bubble or anything, dude, but MSU has worn simply “State” on their unis for ages, or at least since the days of link.

To Todd in post No. 24 in regards to the sign guy. I am not sure of his name, but he is a big Pacers guy as he is originaly from Indiana I belive, and he owns a bar/restaurant on Sanibel Island, Fla. called the Sanibel Grill. So I think he’s pretty well off. Try searching for that on Google and see what you get. I haven’t tried that yet. But my family vacations there and I have met him and eaten at his bar. The walls are covered with pictures of him with sports people and of him with all of his signs. Last night was the first time I remember seeing him on TV. Hope that helps.

On the college BB uni note, I don’t have time to post a link now, but Illinois will have the same collar bone stripe on their new jerseys this season too. Looks like all Nike Elite schools will have this same generic look. Yuck!

I’ll post a link to their new jersyes and pants when I get a chance.

[quote comment=”13684″][quote comment=”13674″][quote comment=”13663″][quote comment=”13656″]As a lifelong Carolina fan I’m usually pro-UNC on everything, but the new jersey tops (the shorts look the same) are hideous. There are a few schools that have such a tradition that their jerseys shouldn’t be messed with. Such schools are UCLA, Indiana, Kentucky (Nike messed them up), Carolina (Nike has now done them) and Duke (the black makes them look like a high school team). Carolina should go back to these shorts.[/quote]
oh, i dig the Syracuse shorts there… those are Bowie & Louie Show era uniforms. SWEET.[/quote]

Are you sure about that? The only NCAA I watch is the tourney but UKentucky is in it almost every year and it seems they have new threads. I’ll look for some proof.

I don’t know where you would even start to validate this theory. But the idea of a uniform/logo giving a team an on-ice advantage — I thought that was something you’d be particularly interested in.

You would’nt try to validate. It’s an example of too much useless information to even worry about discussing.

Now asking why a team would select the logos of the Ducks or the Sabres identity woudl be something to study and try to fix.

Phil T.

Did anyone see Marco Scutaro with the A’s skullcap on OVER his ballcap?!

I thought we had reached the bottom with Placido Polanco’s ‘I’m-about-to-go-rob-a-711’ head wrap, but that atrocious look from Scutaro takes the cake.

To make matters worse, here’s what Steve Lyons (Former major-leaguer and current fox analyst) had to say:

‘I like the A’s minicap over the baseball cap look.’

That’s a direct quote.

This calls for some sort of grass-roots protest of Fox.. I mean, c’mon, SOMETHING has to be done to stop this!

[quote comment=”13693″]Did anyone see Marco Scutaro with the A’s skullcap on OVER his ballcap?!

I thought we had reached the bottom with Placido Polanco’s ‘I’m-about-to-go-rob-a-711’ head wrap, but that atrocious look from Scutaro takes the cake.

To make matters worse, here’s what Steve Lyons (Former major-leaguer and current fox analyst) had to say:

‘I like the A’s minicap over the baseball cap look.’

That’s a direct quote.

This calls for some sort of grass-roots protest of Fox.. I mean, c’mon, SOMETHING has to be done to stop this![/quote]

Are you kidding? I think that’s AWESOME! There are so many better reasons to boycott Fox. I’m definitely stealing that idea next time I play baseball.

I can’t believe that the umps are letting Scutaro wear that toque (Yes I’m Canadian, and yes it’s a toque. Not a knit hat, not a skull cap, a toque). Paul, is there any precedent for that? I remember someone for the Cubs wearing the mask but that was still underneath the rest of the uni, not on top.

I was just watching highlights and they showed some clips from Leafs and Senators practice, and their practice jerseys both look really different. I think they may have been the new reebok jerseys. Looked really weird, I can’t really describe them

Also, was Detroit’s second baseman wearing a belaclava?

[quote comment=”13646″]Central Florida will debut new link tonight against Pitt on ESPN. I think the fans are going to have a “blackout” or something.[/quote]
The black jerseys look sharp. Unfortunately, Pitt ran the opening kickoff back 97 yards for a TD.

i’m not sure if this has been mentioned before, but while watching the A’s-Tigers game i noticed when Ken Macha, the A’s manager, ran out onto the field to pull Harden he was wearing some stirrups
i don’t have a picture, but here is an older one:

sorry, link‘s the link

[quote comment=”13632″]Re: the rounded logo phenomenon in the NHL, I’m guessing there’s a subconcious desire of shooters to aim at something that even slightly resembles a target.

Maybe this leads to more shots hitting the goalie right in the chest…

So how does that explain the lousy record as of late of the Fishsticks?

[/quote]Charles Wang. The end.

They got a lot better before the past two years, however.

One thing that people have to remember regarding Scutaro’s toque is that the past six months these guys have been playing in 60-70 plus weather nearly every day. I live in ND and it has been in the upper thirties the last couple of days and it is relatively chilly. And it really does not look that bad, at least he centered the A’s logo on his hat.

[quote comment=”13646″]Central Florida will debut new link tonight against Pitt on ESPN. I think the fans are going to have a “blackout” or something.[/quote]

Good thing. If UCF wore their regular gold jerseys, the game would have been very hard to follow, much like the Notre Dame-Georgia Tech game earlier this year. Gold helmets/white shirts/gold pants against gold helmets/gold shirts/white pants is tough on the eyes (and brain).

I’m not sure if this is what Central Florida was thinking, but if they were I applaud them. I wish more teams would consider who they are playing when determining which uniform to wear.

McCarver just brought up how dirty Mota’s hat was even though he’s only been with the Mets since August

[quote comment=”13703″]Tigers’ blue hoodie under the batting helmet = thumbs up.

Oakland’s green stocking cap over the regular cap = thumbs down.

Tigers win that duel as well. Hey, guys, it ain’t THAT cold out—ditch the extra lids. Look at Harden going sleeveless—now there’s a REAL man. Then again, he’s Canadian, so it’s only to be expected.

That last note was for you, Teebz. You know how I love me some Canadians! Especially when ils parlez francais. Pardonne-moi if I messed up the tenses and such. It’s been awhile.[/quote]
i was watching the game and the commentators said that the a’s pitching coach (i can’t remember his name) asked if Harden wanted to wear sleeves that had special coils in it to make his arms warm. i thought that was pretty interesting. anyone have any links at all to back this up? they said is was an invention by the pitching coach or something, i might be wrong on this one.

[quote comment=”13725″][quote comment=”13703″]Tigers’ blue hoodie under the batting helmet = thumbs up.

Oakland’s green stocking cap over the regular cap = thumbs down.

Tigers win that duel as well. Hey, guys, it ain’t THAT cold out—ditch the extra lids. Look at Harden going sleeveless—now there’s a REAL man. Then again, he’s Canadian, so it’s only to be expected.

That last note was for you, Teebz. You know how I love me some Canadians! Especially when ils parlez francais. Pardonne-moi if I messed up the tenses and such. It’s been awhile.[/quote]

Chad Harden spent 7 years of his childhood in my fine city (Calgary, AB). 3 degrees celsius is certainly not THAT cold to anyone that has lived here.[/quote]
actually it’s Rich Harden, but whatever.

link joins the Ditch the Black??

[quote comment=”13730″]…especially if you believe in the Dusty Baker factor…anyone know what I’m talking about?[/quote]

no actually i dont, please enlighten me, and any others who dont get it

Jon Stewart = yummy. As for Harden, he himself said that he liked the cold weather because it pumps him up. He said he’s used to it from playing in -33 degree weather, Celsius, in Canada.

OK … goalie topic of a different sort tonight, as interesting as the “target logo” theory is.

The Vancouver Canucks are wearing their blue alternate/throwback unis tonight [which they should go back to fulltime, btw]. Roberto Luongo is wearing a different mask to go with these unis as well… and he was wearing pads that match the colours of the uni, as seen link. Now, I say “was”, because the announcer mentioned how he switched pads during the first intermission, and is now wearing his regular pads. Hopefully someone else has noticed this and can provide more/better pics.

[quote comment=”13731″][quote comment=”13730″]…especially if you believe in the Dusty Baker factor…anyone know what I’m talking about?[/quote]

no actually i dont, please enlighten me, and any others who dont get it[/quote]

Dusty Baker made a comment at the beginning of the year saying that black and Latino players would play better in the heat in the middle parts of the month because they came from hot weather countries

[quote comment=”13472″]May have made the rounds already, but someone out there is poking some good fun at Oregon’s unis:

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Which one is the joke uniform?

“…like having a guy sitting behind you at the game explaining the game to his wife… and getting the rules wrong.”

Man, that drives me insane.

[quote comment=”13734″]Jon Stewart = yummy. As for Harden, he himself said that he liked the cold weather because it pumps him up. He said he’s used to it from playing in -33 degree weather, Celsius, in Canada.[/quote]

Give me a break. Harden said he lived in Calgary (where I live) and it can get down to -30 C (-22 F) in the winter (which it does very rarely). Trust me. Nobody spends very much time outside at all, when it gets that cold and I can assure you nobody is playing baseball

[quote comment=”13464″]Did UNC get rid of the argyle pattern on the shorts? Thats a disgrace if true…[/quote]

UNC unis have always been distinctive and reflected the class of the program. A shame to see them go the corporate route. The argyles came from unis that were designed by Alexander Julian as a favor to Dean Smith.

Re: The new UNC basketball unis.

Ehh, these new ones won’t last more then two seasons. Recall a few years back when the unis were designed by MJ with that horrible NC interlocked logo on the front? These new ones will last about as long as those MJ designed ones did and then will be replaced by a slightly revamped version of the old classic UNC design.

Mark my words and put it in the book.

[quote comment=”14086″][quote comment=”14014″]Re: The new UNC basketball unis.

Ehh, these new ones won’t last more then two seasons. Recall a few years back when the unis were designed by MJ with that horrible NC interlocked logo on the front? These new ones will last about as long as those MJ designed ones did and then will be replaced by a slightly revamped version of the old classic UNC design.

Mark my words and put it in the book.[/quote]

I sure hope you’re right. In comparison to all the new jerseys Nike is making righ tnow, I would take the jerseys from a few years back with the interlocked logo in a second![/quote]

No, You Wouldn’t. Everytime I saw the interlocked NC jerseys, I threw up and little and cried myself to sleep, bsides like Ben said most nike jerseys are only for the moment. Hopefully cooler minds will prevail, and my beloved Tar Heels will go back to the more classic looks,or something like last year.

Hokie for the moment, Tar Heel for Life…..

I think it was in ‘The Dark Knight Returns’ that Batman explains that he put a target on his chest because he couldn’t armor his head…

actually, the american flag stays on the uniforms because we are a country at war. This was the same in 1991 when we were in the first gulf war. The next season saw the flags come off. But since we continue to be a nation at war, we continue to have flags on most teams jerseys, as is the case with helmets in college and pro football.