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College Grades are in: Who’s the Valedictorian?

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By Phil Hecken with Jim Vilk, and Pollster James Huening

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After a bye-week last weekend, we conclude with our review of our uniform grades for all the NCAA FBS teams today, and bring you the results of your votes for the non-BCS teams that you voted upon two weekends ago. For a quick review of this class, we asked you to give letter grades to each of the 11 conferences (or 12, if you include the Independents) of the NCAA FBS (the old “Division I”) standard home football uniforms. Three weeks ago, Professor Vilk and I graded the BCS automatic qualifiers, and the following week we did the same for the independents and the rest of the FBS.

We took your votes and gave each conference an average. We already told you the results of the automatic BCS qualifiers; today, we reveal the non-automatic BCS teams. I’ll turn it over to Professor Vilk for a few words. Professor?

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Thank you Professor Hecken. While the college football season has only reached its midpoint, we have our final uni grades prepared. Once again, we only graded the regular home uniforms for these teams ”” no road unis, no alts, no special promotions (too bad, because Wyoming could have used that yellow alt to boost its numbers…). Even though, yes, I like some outlandish unis, it was nice to see Phil and I aren’t too far apart most of the time. It was also nice to see you, the assistant faculty, had somewhat similar tastes in the first set of grades. Let’s see how you did this time, as our pollster James Huening has the results from your other FBS grades.

Here’s Professor Huening:

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As was the case with the BCS grades, the scale is as follows:

A+: 4 points
A: 4
A-: 3.7
B+: 3.3
B: 3
B-: 2.7
C+: 2.3
C: 2
C-: 1.7
D+: 1.3
D: 1
D-: 0.7
F: 0

The independents were the clear-cut winners here, averaging a B+. However, their 3.318 GPA did not beat out the SEC or Big Ten (3.336 and 3.327, respectively).

The actual conferences shook out like this:

B-: Mountain West (2.751), Conference USA (2.684) and MAC (2.592)
B-/C+: WAC (2.469)
C+: Sun Belt (2.346)

Summa cum laude to SMU.

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Thank you, Professor Huening. On the whole, it looks as if the faculty graded a little stricter than Phil, who graded a little stricter than I did. However, both teams who made Summa Cum Laude, Penn State and SMU, were in my respective Top 5 lists. Hmm, does this mean I get tenure now, Phil? Phil??

Anyway, to sum up the whole project: The SEC is your vote (and mine) for the best-looking conference, while the Big East (coming in .001 points below the Sun Belt) is your worst-looking conference. Thank you for participating!

Professor Hecken?

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Thank you Professor Vilk. And thank you readers for participating. I, too, picked the SEC as the best dressed conference, so you, I and the readers all agree. But, sorry Jim, there is no tenure at the U of W. However, I will talk to Dean Lukas and put in a good word for you.

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Jersey…Rules

Something that occasionally crops up in discussions on Uni Watch is “jersey etiquette,” for lack of a better term. It kinda-sorta came up on Wednesday, when Paul showed off a picture of Jay Braiman, who was sporting an ONOB, tucked jersey. Paul asked, “sartorial style raises the question of whether it’s ever acceptable to wear a jersey tucked in. They’re designed to be tucked, of course ”” that’s how the players wear them. But fans almost never do. Discuss.”

There were a couple of comments, but not really too much discussion ensued. I’m sure there are many different schools of thought on this one, and there is, of course, no real right or wrong answer. But it seems that amongst the jersey wearing set, one pretty hard and fast rule is “you don’t tuck. ever.” I talked with Jay for a good long while at the gathering (Jay’s a GREAT dude, btw, so please don’t think I’m singling him out), and eventually the conversation turned to his sartorial style. He even mentioned that he normally wouldn’t tuck his jersey, but he said something to the effect of “but this is so long, if I didn’t tuck it, it would look like a dress.”

Then there’s that whole ONOB (“own name on back”) thing. Again, I know some of you have strong opinions on this. Some feel one should never put ones own name on the back of a jersey unless one, ya know, actually plays for that team, while others feel it’s perfectly fine. Still others avoid NOB altogether. Of course, I was sporting someone else’s NOB (actually just to mess with Jets fans, and in honor of Ricko), but there is a school of thought that grown men should never wear a fan jersey with some other guy’s name on the back, particularly someone who is younger than you are. But I thrifted that a few years back for five bucks, and I really don’t care. But, should I?

Finally, there’s the whole “you don’t tuck any shirt into jeans.” Growing up, I never found anything particularly wrong with that, but lately, it seems the practice is strictly verboten. So now I never do, even if I feel a tad slobbish for so doing.

Anyway, just throwing this out there since we really didn’t break out much discussion on it earlier this week. Are there “jersey rules”? And if so…how strict are they?

What do you guys do? Let’s discuss.

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The Uni Gods Are Not Pleased

It started out so well. The Ryan Express threw what may likely have been the hardest ceremonial first pitch in history to Jim Sundberg. Joe Girardi sold a vial exchanged pleasantries with Ron Washington. The Rangers, resplendent in red, jumped all over Yankees’ ace Carsten Charles Sabathia, scoring 3 in the first after a shot from Wonderboy himself.

C.J. Wilson was dealing. The Rangers increased their lead to 5-0. All was good in Arlington.

But have we learned nothing in the 2010 post season? You do not anger the uniform gods. You wear white at home. All white. Period.

Home teams have lost all seven games when they have sported softball tops, including now three by the Rangers. You would have thought maybe, just maybe, they’d have learned something from the Rays series. Apparently not. It’s kind of shame too, because as far as alternate tops go, the Rangers’ Red is one of the better ones. But it’s just never wise to tempt fate.

Of course, the Yankees had a little something to do with last night’s loss, rallying from that 5-0 deficit to chip away, hit by hit, scoring one in the seventh, and then five in the eighth to take a 6-5 lead. With a 1-2 punch of Kerry Wood and Mo in the pen, the game ended painfully for the Rangers.

The Rangers do have a really gorgeous standard uniform, so it’s both a shame and not really understandable why they wouldn’t wear it thus far. Perhaps they will today. But it’s probably too late. Today will most likely be the last best chance for Rangers fans to see the home whites. I don’t expect this one to return to Texas. Let’s hope the Rangers don’t anger the uni gods one last time before they head to New York.

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Uni Tweaks

Slowly making it thought the tweak backlog, but keep them coming. If you have a tweak, change or concept for any sport, send them my way. OK? OK! Here’s what’s on tap for today.

Those who’ve already sent in tweaks, they’re fine the way they are, but in the future, because many of you seem to enjoy elaborate write ups, can you possibly try to keep them to 50 words tops per team? (Every one I’ve received since I asked for the ~50 limit has complied so far!) Thanks!

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Starting off the show is Rocky Canonica, who thinks the Eagles throwbacks could be tweaked just so. Looks like he’s got some of Ricko’s compression sleeves going too:

Here is how the Eagles should look ALL the time. A twist on the 1960 throwbacks.

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Next up is Matthew Duke who has some NHL concepts:

Salutations Phil and all of Uni Watch,

An ALL-NHL installment from me today.

First up, my Dallas Stars. I set out to fix the most boring uniform set in professional sports. I went with the current color scheme with retro-style jerseys (1988-1991, the last few years when black graced both the home AND away sweaters), and a brand-spanking new set of logos. Definitely the franchise I have spent the most time on, this is just one of the hundreds of concepts I have for this one team.

Next, the Ottawa Senators. There has been a lot of talk around the hockey world of the Senators ditching their current third jersey for a “heritage jersey”. This is my version of what the “heritage jersey” could look like plus an away white version.

Last but not least, the Colorado Avalanche. Again, current color scheme and retro-style jerseys with a brand new logo.

I have plenty more where those came from. Thanks!

Matthew Duke

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Last up today is Dwayne White, who has taken on a popular project: the Houston Astros:

Phil:

Here is my version of what the Tequila Sunrise uniforms could look like. I have never really been an Astros fan, but I do like the orange and blue. I used the late ’90’s “HOUSTON” and “ASTROS” wordmarks along with the number in the citcl on the back. I also went with a gray instead of a cream or off-white for the roads. I put the number on the front inside the stripes and not a star or in a circle as they just didn’t look right.

The second set is a more conservative style. It sort of reminded me of the early ’80’s White Sox jerseys.

-DW

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Another fine job today, gentlemen. Thank you. Check back tomorrow for more.

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2010 Season Uni Tracking

Now that the 2010 Season has concluded it’s time for all of you who have tracked your team through the entire season to send me your final tweaks. When I have a few spare hours, I plan on compiling them and adding them to the Uni Watch Archives, to be a part of the permanent record.

So, if you’ve been doing your due diligence with your team, send me your end-of-season tracking reports, and I’ll post them as a “sub article” on the weekends. OK? OK! And I promise they’ll make it into the UW archives before the year is out. Please feel free to accompany your tracking with a write up, especially if your team had any interesting trends or patterns.

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Today, we have Mike Vamosi, who has been tracking the Royals all season long. He’s here with his year end wrapup:

Here is the end of season report for the Kansas City Royals who this last weekend of the season changed their routine. For only the second time this season the team sported the “Powder” blue tops on a Saturday night game then closed the season with the alternate road tops. Thanks to Phil for sharing this with all of you hopefully KC can turn it around soon no matter the uniform choice!

Thanks,

Mike Vamosi

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Thank you, Mike. OK, all you trackers. I know there are more of you out there. Send me your year end tracking reports and I’ll post them here on the weekends and put them all together for the UW archives before the year is over.

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OK, folks, that’s all for today. Last night, the Cincy Bearcats wore their super duper new NFL-esque unis last night. More photos here and here. Meh.

Good college football today, and of course, two playoff games in the MLB. At least one of them won’t have any softball tops. Have a great Saturday all.

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I assume that the Texas equipment manager is adding some bleach and giving those home whites one more wash so they are extra bright tomorrow!!! — Ricardo Leonor

 
  
 
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    For what it is worth, I believe the fellow in the Tigers jersey with Rogers Hornsby in yesterday’s column is Red Rolfe. Rolfe managed the Tigers briefly in the 50s.

    Not a huge fan of the beveled”d” and the now colorado logo might work more for the old Rockies than the Avs, but the Uni design and logo are miles ahead of what the Avs wear now. Well done!

    SB

    Watched some of the Kings/Canucks game last night. What a total let down after last week’s throwback game.

    Jerseys should be worn untucked. Tucked in as part of the uniform is one thing, but tucked in to jeans or anything else looks bad. If it’s too long don’t wear it. I’m afraid to bring this up, but i dont think grown-ups in jerseys is ever a good look.

    Pfft.

    I’ll wear my jerseys however I feel like, thank you very much. Maybe if they wouldn’t put the stupid size tag on the outside of the jersey, I’d be more likely to go untucked. I don’t think that everyone who sees me needs to know what size jersey I’m wearing.

    The one iron rule of fashion is that anyone who proposes a single rule that applies to everyone in all situations is full of it. There are no absolute rules; because body types and personalities differ, there’s always someone who can make anything look good. Like stripes and plaid: I know what I’m doing, and I can pull it off. Most people can’t, and shouldn’t try, but there are no absolute rules.

    Same with tucking. If you are thin enough that a tucked jersey looks like a normal shirt instead of a maternity dress, and if you have the self-confidence to wear the tucked jersey and not care that everyone else is untucked, then you should tuck. But if you can’t meet those criteria, then you shouldn’t tuck. Personally, I rarely tuck, but when a guy can pull it off, he’s always going to look 200 times better than the untucked slobs like me.

    However, jerseys that are designed not to be tucked probably shouldn’t be, ever. Like hockey jerseys; you just lose too much of the jersey design, and anyway they’re not cut right for tucking. Unless you’re wearing an old one that’s way too small and fits you like a shirt, in which case you’re probably wearing it ironically and tucking fits the mood. See? No absolute rules.

    Yes not tucking in a jersey exposes the label and does not look “neat” I guess. But if you ever wear a sports jersey to an event where someone will think you don’t look neat because it is untucked…well then you should not have worn one to begin with!! Like never a wear a jersey on a date, unless the date is at a game!!

    Personally I think untucked is the way to go. I think NNOB is the way to go. It is particularly so if that team whose jersey you are wearing is NNOB on the field. To me that looks horrible. I stated before I have seen some Yankee fans wearing 3,4,5,or 7 jerseys and they all have names ( Ruth, Gerhig, Dimaggio, Mantle ) soon #2 will be in that category.

    Most teams however regardless of sport, will have NOB, but I think you still go out of your way to get one without a name. Just my opionion.

    I stated in the comments last week. I only own one NOB Jersey. Right around thanksgiving of 2007 I swore that my giants would never win a Superbowl as long as Eli Manning was on the team……So I had to eat my words and I own an Eli Manning NOB home blue….

    I only think NNOB is right if the jersey is a blank or the team goes NNOB. Having a number and no name on a jersey that normally has both looks as wrong as having a NOB when the team doesn’t.

    I have never understood that line of thinking. That adults should not wear jerseys. Who started this?

    What is wrong about it? What about girls wearing them? What about wearing baseball caps?

    I always wear my jersey untucked. I have several jerseys with NNOB, I have a Detroit Tigers jersey with Miguel Cabrera’s NOB. I have a two hockey jerseys with ONOB and a couple with players NOB.

    I do think that jerseys worn as casual wear should be untucked, but then again I think just about all shirts worn casually should be untucked. The exception someone suggested for people who are thin enough and in really good shape is one worth considering.

    Shirts worn to work or formal occasions, on the other hand, should be tucked in. (Playing a game counts as “work,” hence the rule to tuck in jerseys in those situations.)

    Button-up shirts worn under sportcoats/jackets in ANY OCCASION should be tucked in. Who are you fooling, Ellen DeGeneres? You took the time to put on a nice jacket, tuck in your shirt – jeans or no jeans. The jeans do enough to indicated that you’re “off duty.”

    I would acknowledge that all these rules are made to be broken, but one rule that should always be respected is that shirts should NEVER be tucked into shorts unless the organized game you’re playing (eg, basketball, soccer) requires the tucking in of the shirt.

    Trust me on all this. If you could see how cool I am and how far adherence to these rules has taken me you’d be impressed… Not!

    A shirt should also be tucked in under a vest or sweater (or sweater vest). There’s no reason for your shirt tails to be peeking out under any top layer.

    This is almost a religious-type topic, isn’t it? First, let’s get this over with: those of us grown men who wear jerseys don’t really care what those of you who don’t wear jerseys think about us. Many of us (okay, at least some of us) have jobs and work hard (okay, work) all week long, and when we unwind on the weekend, we want to be part of the team. We probably own too much team-branded merchandise to be completely healthy, but we contribute to our local economy, carry our municipalities’ banners, and generate free advertising for our favorite clubs. We are no different from a man who would never be caught dead without an Armani suit. More importantly, we are more likely than Armani-wearers to actually pay taxes.

    Alright, class warfare aside, the tucked-untucked question is entirely individual. Depends on the jersey, the jersey-wearer, and the situation. If you wear a tucked jersey to church, you look like an idiot. But you also look like an idiot if you wear an untucked jersey to church. If your weight is a stone or more above the norm, tucking probably isn’t for you. If the tucking results in the numbers being cut off, don’t tuck. If you’re wearing baggy pants and you’re a skinny guy and you have an XXL jersey that’s too big to wear without causing gender confusion, go ahead and do that tuck-flop thing that the ladies love so much. And let your boxers show over a corner while you’re at it.

    I guess what I’m saying is, I own one jersey that I would kill to tuck, but I don’t because I am not confident in a tucked jersey, no matter the circumstances. If another man is braver than me and he actually pulls it off, bravo. Who am I to object on principle?

    In practice, however, you can discriminate, and that’s why straightcashhomie.com exists. Also that site that shows Walmart people.

    For who don’t get that Athletic Gold is not “Yellow”, watch a bit of the Iowa-Michigan game today and check out the difference in the color or the teams’ pants.

    That should eliminate the notion once and for all.

    :)

    —Ricko

    Yellow is yellow. The only difference is if you are sporting piss yellow or macaroni yellow.

    Georgia Tech’s helmets are (a form of) gold.

    Not according to a typical uniform catalog from any major supplier.
    Or the NFL color specs.
    Or the Pantone color matching system. There’s basic Process Yellow (the color of Tweety Bird, the yellow in Superman’s logo and Michigan’s pants), and the equivalent of Athletic Gold (Steelers, Chiefs and others in NFL spec guide) is a different spec, PMS 116 (has a bit of red in it).
    The curent eorgia Tech gold is Vegas Gold. The darker version is Old Gold.

    Most of us here go by that sort of thing to avoid conufusion.

    —Ricko

    Now to be fair (and further confuse things) if we’re talking paint/pigment, Michigan and Oregon these days actually are wearing what’s commonly called “Lemon Yellow,” which is basic Yellow with a bit of White added (or White with a lot of Yellow added).

    Now that that’s all cleared up (eyeroll), let’s discuss the difference between Crimson, Cardinal, Garnet and Burgundy. Maroon’s not an issue; it’s much darker than any of those four, being the “Red Family” equivalent of Navy Blue.

    —Ricko

    Actually, Rick, Michigan’s official color is PMS 116 (though their actual on-field color is much brighter). The standard athletic gold used by NFL teams is PMS 123.

    Michigan claims they are “maize” and blue. Maize is corn. A nice shade of yellow. What UM sports is “highlighter”. Plain and simple. It’s horrific. Only corn grown near the Springfield Nuclear plant could end up that color.

    Agreed. Might be strange coming from me who prefers bright colors, I much prefer the old Michigan Maize to the newer Highlighter color. link

    Think was around 1980 Michigan went to Yellow.
    Rememember being at Memorial Stadium in 1980 watching Michigan and Anthony Carter play at Minnesota and realizing the teams’ pants weren’t the same color.

    —Ricko

    Maryland broke out their new bball uniforms last night, with the two that were discussed here earlier, but also a new black alternate with a script “Maryland” that looks pretty nice:

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    Definite BFBS, but Under Armour does know how to do BFBS so it still looks good. Sharp uni.

    I don’t think that is BFBS. Maryland has had black in their color scheme for a long time (just look at the state flag that the terps are always trying to emulate)

    Uniwatchers these days label any black jersey as BFBS to the point where it has lost its effect and just become a thing to say. Some teams can actually wear black!

    Alright. I thought the colors were just red, yellow, and white. We’ve always held that if black is a team color then it can’t be BFBS.

    It’s just another “to each his own” thing.
    I don’t wear jerseys, but I could see why someone would prefer to tuck. Those things are long… football, basketball, and baseball.
    Hockey jerseys should never be tucked. Obviously.

    I’m more concerned with the choice of shoes. If I see a “tucked in jeans” jersey and I pan down, I better see some white leather New Balance.

    Finally, and more importantly, don’t go tucking your wiener like that guy in Silence of the Lambs.

    Great coommentary on jersey wearing today. I am the owner of several, mostly Eagles jerseys that I pretty much rotate on Sundays during the season. I never tuck, however I can see why some would. As Ive gotten older I have pondered whether or not it’s silly to be 40 and wearing a 25 year old millionaire’s name on my back. I’ve landed on ‘i don’t really care, I’ll wear what I want’. Sort of a pre-codger indifference to what others might think.

    Now, with ONOB, I have a Flyers jersey I’ve had for about 15 years with my name and #10. I find I hardly wear it now, even to games. I’ve even thought about getting the nameplate stripped, changing it to a LeClair and getting a patch to ‘date’ it. I think ONOB must be considered very carefully.

    So to recap, I say tucking is a personal decision, as is old guy jersey wearing. ONOB is under review.

    I see nothing wrong with using my own name on a jersey – my only rule about that is to not use a number worn by an all-time great or a current player. My only authentic NFL jersey is a Raiders AFL throwback with my real last name and 84 on it.

    My other jersey doesn’t represent a real team, so I can use any name and number I want.

    I almost bought a cheep Curtis Martin jersey for First Name On Back, but I don’t wear jerseys.

    As for the ONOB on pro sports jersey issue, I think you have to have had at least of cup of coffee playing in a Fantasy Camp of your hometown team. My time in a Phillies Phantasy camp about 7 years ago earned me the right to occasionally wear my home and “away” jerseys with my name on the back. I don’t have the right to wear an ONOB jersey for any of my other favorite teams. And for anyone who’s quickly offended by this stance, I acknowledge that the fact I even have a strong opinion on this is ridiculous.

    The Rangers need to burn those red softball tops ASAP. Logic cannot be behind wearing these – it has to be a stiff arm by MLB to sell more red jerseys. They got to Sabathia for christ’s sakes!

    As for wearing jerseys, I’m in the NNOB camp, tho Walter Payton is the only exception. I’ve never felt comfortable wearing someone else’s name on the back, and generally don’t tuck unless the jersey is long.

    Not tucking any shirt into jeans? Not that I wear jeans often, but lots of folks here do. Cowboy shirts, dress shirts, polo shirts, even ratty t-shirts get tucked pretty regularly in this part of the world — maybe to keep shirts from wind issues.

    ONOB seems like a bad idea for a jersey of a major team, but ok for a one-off (e.g. a Denver Spurs jersey would be ok, but an Avs jersey would be tacky).

    SENOB (someone else’s name on back) seems ok if the SE is not a current player.

    I feel like cowboy shirts get a pass, since they’ve pretty much always been tucked into jeans anyway, so it doesn’t look wrong the way others do.

    Tucking in a jersey (especially with jeans) just seems like an old man thing.

    As for NOB, I dunno. I’d rather wear the name of my favorite player than ONOB. I don’t actually play for the team, why should my name be on the jersey?

    I am 40. I own 4 jerseys. Two Browns jerseys, one of which is an 80’s era Kosar with the super heavy material i wear for cold weather. That one is NNOB. I also have a super cheap knock off my dad got me with horribly thick #86 and Brennan on the back. It’s lightweight for early season games. My other jerseys are OSU with TNOB and Blue Jackets NNOB. I never tuck. The tags never bothered me.

    As far as NOB goes, the one NOB I do own (Brennan) is acceptible for me since he was my favorite player as a teenager. I’d feel weird with “McCoy” on my back…I’m old enough to be his fath…..very much older brother.

    There are many problems with jerseys on adults, but it’s not because the act itself is inappropriate. First, jerseys are too big. They’re just too big. Why can’t a jersey fit like a normal shirt? It would make them look ten times as presentable right out of the gate.

    I was at Dick’s a day or two ago, and I picked up a replica jersey, size small. I held it up to a t-shirt (most of which are also cut rather roomy these days) and it the jersey was bigger than the t-shirt I was holding up. Whatever, you say? Well, the t-shirt was a size large. Then I went to find a group of t-shirts that was sized correctly (which was hard as hell to find). I went and found some slim-fit running tops (slim-fit is the new designation for the way most shirts used to be cut before the 1990s). The size small jersey was about the same size as the XL running top. There’s just no need for that. I wear a men’s medium when I buy most vintage t-shirts, but I wear a men’s extra small in today’s sizing (which is also hard as hell to find).

    Second, many of the problems you guys are pointing out can be quickly solved with a $10 tailoring job (or if you or your wife have a sewing machine, a free tailoring job). Take 3, 4, 5 inches off the bottom and re-hem the jersey. If you happen to be really tall and need that extra length, it’s very easy to remove the jock tag by yourself with only a seam ripper and/or a pair of scissors.

    Indeed, but Minnesota also wearing maroon jerseys and pants with those white helmets.

    Looks pretty crappy.

    All these combos for Minnesota all of a sudden. Evidently a case of Duck Envy. Well, what gopher wouldn’t want to fly?

    —Ricko

    According to something that appeared in my twitter feed. The Minnesota coach was the one to pick the helmets.

    Just another slick move on his part.

    One of the guys I play softball with is Brewster’s neighbor. The coach’s house has been for sale for about a month now.

    —Ricko

    got the game on now…my god do the GOLDEN gophers look bad…

    they can’t even return a sure six …

    if they had WHITE numbers and bumpersticker stripes, the white helmet might look good…but since it matches nothing but their socks…ugh

    then there’s the whole monochrome thing

    best looking gopher is coach brewster…and yet he can’t even dress his team

    How’s this for a longshot hire for the Gophers?
    Jack Del Rio.

    Played for the Vikings. Apparently liked living in Minnesota.

    Just, y’know, an offbeat thought.

    —Ricko

    Ricko. Not a bad choice.

    I hate those white helmets. Minnesota’s regular helmets are one of my favorites in college football. Michigan is my favorite.

    And with likely no NFL season to speak of next year, this is the team we’ll be stuck with watching.

    Thank God for cable TV.

    —Ricko

    Purdue’s whites were throwbacks to the 2000 Rose Bowl year, plus they had roses on their helmets (which I believe were only worn for the Rose Bowl itself). Nice memories for this Boiler fan, especially since QB Rob Henry wears Drew Brees’ old number 15.

    Apparently there’s something called the Federal Hockey League and it looks like the teams are on the East Coast. One of the teams is the Danbury Whalers and surprise, check the logo

    link

    Yes, I saw something in my twitter feed this morning that they are have a design their All-Star logo/jersey contest. Of course the Federal league was the league in the movie Slap Shot. You can see the league logo (kind of) in this shot

    link

    So apparently they chose to represent the concept of “frenzy” with a pissed off tuna.

    I also expected a “Privateer” to be a more dignified looking pirate than that. Someone that looks like Henry Morgan or William Kidd, I guess.

    Akwesasne is a Mohawk reserve that straddles the Canada-US border. I think you get a pass on using aboriginal names and imagery if you’re actually Mohawk.

    Here is the Broome County uniform from the Movie Slap Shot. The only “team” from the movie to be in the Federal League

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    As to the Warriors. I would like to know if the Mohawk tribe approved of it.

    Akwesasne is a Mohawk reserve that straddles the Canada-US border. I think you get a pass on using aboriginal names and imagery if you’re actually Mohawk.

    a lot of them still look like that? and it’s nice how they incorporated the hockey sticks into the imagery…really brings it full circle

    not trying to be argumentative..but there are a lot of towns on long island that have native american names, but you’d be hard pressed to find any actual native americans actually living there…

    some, like the massapequa mustangs, have stayed away from that imagery, while others, like the sachem flaming arrows still keep that imagery

    just because you *can* justify a nickname doesn’t mean you should

    I’m replying to Phil but for some reason I can’t quote.

    There’s a big difference between a town or city that has an aboriginal name, and an actual reserve populated by actual status Indians. You might be right about not finding many status Indians in Chicago or Manhattan, which are both Indian words. Akwesasne is not just an Indian name for a white town, its an Indian reserve, big difference.

    When I saw the Whalers logo, I was afraid that none of the teams in the league would incorporate black into their color schemes. Thankfully, it appears that EVERYONE ELSE will be using black. That’s refreshing to see. It’s such an underused color in sports nowadays.

    Akwesasne is not just an Indian name for a white town, its an Indian reserve, big difference.

    so…the team actually plays its games on this reserve? and are all the players actual native peoples? is there an arena on the reservation? im fascinated

    Some Warrior Answers: link
    How did you pick your team name and its logo ?

    A. We had heard Akwesasne had a lacrosse team named the Warriors in the 70’s that won many championships. After consulting with members of the community we decided Warriors will bring a high profile image and identity back to the area. A Warrior is a man experienced and ready to engage in warfare and that is what we want our team’s mentality to be on the Ice.

    The logo was rendered by a local artist named John B. Thomas. We saw his great work in the arena and felt he would be the best person to render the image of a person who shows great vigor, courage, and aggressiveness in athletics.

    Rules for everyone else but me: Do your own thing. If it’s a cool jersey, I’ll gladly tell you so. I don’t care about ONOB, tuck, tag, 50 year olds wearing them, anything. Do what ever you want.

    Rules for me: I don’t tuck. I wear jerseys on weekends and to games. Like Coach Gundy, I’m 40. Have a Mizzou jersey on right now. Gold fashion Chase Daniel thing my wife bought me for $10. I like it but it’s DEFINITELY not a thing of beauty. Got my hat on backwards too. Think I’ll order a Bud Light.

    Have a Mizzou jersey on right now.Gold fashion Chase Daniel thing. Think I’ll order a Bud Light.

    well, when you change out of your kitty costume, go back and get a miller light

    I think the worst crime of all is wearing a replica or “authentic” baseball jersey with NOB when the team doesn’t wear NOB. Any jersey with “9 WILLIAMS” “8 YASTRZEMSKI” “3 RUTH”, etc. is automatically unacceptable. Oh, and stupid too.

    As for your other questions:

    – On adults, jerseys should always be untucked.
    – Jerseys on adults are fine. Especially female adults.

    “- Jerseys on adults are fine. Especially female adults.”

    Especially if they’re not wearing anything else.

    RUTH 3 NOB is acceptable to me as long as you know exactly what you are doing. Otherwise it’s still acceptable.

    I think I’ll have Frosty make a Ted Williams BFBS with NOB Red Sox jersey for Phil.

    Purdue is wearing throwbacks to honor the 2000 Rose Bowl team. They even have a rose through the P on the helmet stickers.

    can we all agree that adults who paint their face at college games are a breaking form?

    okay, real quick before i have to work…

    is that a rose on purdue’s helmet? and why?

    sadly i have to say that an underdog team i have always rooted for because of their uni’s is now consistently coming out looking like crap. minnesota’s all white* last week was a fail,especially vs a team that wears white helmets/pants EVERY week(way to match). AND they get the uni change in a rivalry game fail last week too. so what do they do this week? another gag. trying to be oregon is stupid. trying to be oregon when you can barely play at a DI level is just sad.

    *yes, the all white helmet with white face mask works for texas, and is puuuurdy, but these other schools that are trotting this out look horrid.

    i figured it was something like that, but i wasn’t sure, and, um, i thought they were on the road since they are wearing white. let’s just say espn3 on my crap as commodore-64 ain’t exactly high def, and with a dead crowd at first glance, i was fooled. okay, i am going to be late. out.

    re:tweaks
    STARS: don’t like the logo, nice idea though
    SENS: love it, what to do with 3rd jersey & sen-head logo
    AVS: like the rockies/CO flag logo especially, again 3rd jersey?
    Astros: 2nd set is better, fix the numbers?
    EAGLES: love, love, love them

    I’m 51 and occasionally wear – untucked – my circa 2000 Ravens Jersey #95 with ADAMS on the back for DT Sam Adams. My last name happens to be Adams – it’s a jersey my sister bought because she liked Sam Adams. Now that Sam is long retired and long a non-Raven, most casual fans assume it is ONOB.

    You’ve met her?? She likes adult beverages in great quantities around the old tailgate. And I believe that she wore ol’ #95 to SB XXXV in Tampa, so the jersey has some history.

    Note to JTH (and others)…

    But for truncation and that silliness on the side of the pants, Indiana looking good at home once again.

    —Ricko

    Well, if they ever decide to start playing defense they’ll look even better…

    I really never thought I’d say this, but I actually like their jerseys and I don’t miss the old ones at all.

    But I still think the pants are stupid-looking.

    Yeah, a couple pant stripes to match the helmet and jerseys and that’d be a seriously good looking uni.

    A crimson version of the classically fine Saskatchewn Roughriders.

    Seriously, how much better would link look if they were paired with link instead of these new ones with the idiotic link?

    And hey, the defense just made a big play!

    A crimson version of the classically fine Saskatchewn Roughriders

    crimson…or cardinal or garnet or burgundy?

    Furman at Samford is a good-looking college matchup on one of the regional FSN networks. Even with navy blue monochroome on Samford, it’s a winner. Samford is sporting intact old-school UCLA loops, while the Paladins of Furman look like the Indy Colts w/ purple in place of royal blue, and the more common truncated loops.

    A now a moment of tribute for the Purple Paladins.
    One of the truly great nicknames in college football.

    Right up there with (though a product of a different generation) the UC-Irvine Anteaters.

    —Ricko

    Well, of course, let’s not forget the Tufts Jumbos.
    No matter how your wife/girlfriend’s built you can get her an appropriate t-shirt.

    —Ricko

    Had to wiki Paladins – apparently 8th century warriors from the court of Charlemagne in France. Who knew? I think Furman had a rich basketball history in my Dad’s day – Frank Selvy once scored over 100 pts in a game. My dad, being from that part of SC, loved to tell those stories.

    Of course, when I was a kid I originally thought his first name was “Wire.” Then it sorta dawned on me.

    —Ricko

    Yes, Furman is one of many non FBS schools with quality uniforms. Sometimes on this board you’ll hear comments about smaller division uniforms, but you’ll find good and bad uniforms at all levels of college football.

    BTW, both teams have made appearances in the Top 5 lists. I’ll have to check out the pics.

    i used to wear my MLB jerseys untucked all the time, but that was before Majestic. Those things are terribly long. Maybe a tailor might work? Does anyone else have this problem?

    It always used to get me during the “Full House” opening, seeing the supposedly ultra-cool Dave Coulier running around in a tucked Red Wings sweater. Nobody tucks hockey jerseys! Sorry…had to get that one off my chest.

    He also wore zubaz pants. Glad we’ve outgrown that era.

    Glad you outgrew your Full House phase! jk – nothing makes a fashion statement like Hockey Hair, a tucked hockey sweater and Zubas.

    I have one jersey for my team in each sport, and my own personal rules:
    NFL – player on team
    NHL – blank, most of them look better with no name or number
    MLB – player on team
    NCAA – blank
    NBA – no jerseys, people look ridiculous in tank tops. shooting shirts/pullovers instead
    Soccer – got my own name/number on it since it’s so obscure, nobody knows the difference and soccer is a very fraternal group of fans. I have my name/number on a Fulham jersey and a DC United jersey.

    for some reason, at least to me, it doesn’t look absurd to have your own name on a soccer jersey, probably because it’s essentially a t-shirt. but on a football or baseball jersey, that would look absurd.

    From Mr. Hick:

    I almost bought a cheep Curtis Martin jersey for First Name On Back, but I don’t wear jerseys.

    I’ve got an Edgerrin James Colts jersey that I bought about ten years ago. Maybe the third time I wore it, someone said something to the effect of “aww.. that’s cute. you’ve got your name on the back of your shirt.” and it’s been in my closet ever since.

    So, my rules:

    NOB: If it’s a NNOB team, don’t put a name on there. If it’s a NOB team, please put a name on there whether it’s yours or someone else’s. I don’t do the ONOB thing (intentionally) but if that’s your preference, it’s fine by me.

    Tucking: Never EVER for a hockey jersey. If it’s too long, deal with it or just don’t wear it. And as has been pointed out, a jock tag comes off really easily. Any other type of jersey? I don’t tuck them in, but if you want to do it, that’s your call.

    Undershirt: please wear something under your jersey. This applies to basketball as well, unless you’re actually wearing a full basketball uniform because you’re on a team and it’s game (or team photo) day.

    Instead of re-writing basically the same thing, I’m just going to take snippets of RS Rogers’ earlier post:

    “The one iron rule of fashion is that anyone who proposes a single rule that applies to everyone in all situations is full of it.”
    “If you are thin enough that a tucked jersey looks like a normal shirt instead of a maternity dress, and if you have the self-confidence to wear the tucked jersey and not care that everyone else is untucked, then you should tuck. But if you can’t meet those criteria, then you shouldn’t tuck.”
    “However, jerseys that are designed not to be tucked probably shouldn’t be, ever. Like hockey jerseys; you just lose too much of the jersey design, and anyway they’re not cut right for tucking. Unless you’re wearing an old one that’s way too small and fits you like a shirt, in which case you’re probably wearing it ironically and tucking fits the mood. See? No absolute rules.”

    To this I’ll only add…I prefer NNOB, but don’t have a problem with ONOB. I do feel weird about wearing a younger player’s name (one of the reasons I could never get a LeGone James jersey), or the name of just any old player (someone got me my green Seahawks jersey, and someday I’ll probably take the TATUPU off the back). Now if I’m honoring a favorite player, that’s another thing. But, I agree putting a name on a usually NNOB jersey doesn’t seem right.

    As I’ve stated twice before, I don’t wear jerseys. If I did, I would almost have to limit myself to baseball and hockey because they don’t require player identities. Most pro athletes these days mar their character somewhat at some point, and then one runs the risk of being identified with that person.
    Did I mention that I don’t wear jerseys?

    Western Mich./Notre Dame looks good…maybe a Top-Fiver…but it won’t be #1.

    Is it me, or are the Irish jerseys especially dark today? Looks almost black.

    Always liked these jerseys better:
    link

    I’m usually a big fan of striped sleeves, but that pic looks more like what I would want to see on the Pitt Panthers. On ND, it’s “Faustian”…

    Western Michigan is giving a Staubach era Navy vibe in this matchup.

    I’m having some trouble with the Directional Michigans: There is a green one… a cardinal/burgundy/garnet one… and the other one. One or more were named for Indian tribes, but no more for at least one, right? Chippewas -yes? Hurons – no? And the other one – Broncos, right?

    Western Michigan – Brown and Gold – Broncos
    Central Michigan – Burgundy and Gold – Chippewas (Chips)
    Eastern Michigan – Green and White – Eagles (nee Hurons)

    Division II
    Northern Michigan – Green and Gold – Wildcats

    Faust picked those because royal blue is the color of the BVM (anyone who went to parochial school knows who the “BVM” is).

    And how did a guy named “Faust” end up at Notre Dame, anyway? Like they couldn’t see that debacle coming?

    —Ricko

    And isn’t that the actual school color, too?

    With or without the stripes, I like that shade. And regardless of his record, Gerry’s a great guy. Good line, though, Ricko…

    Haven’t seen any of the other teams yet, but the new stretchy Michigan jerseys actually look pretty good, no issues with name plate legibility so far

    Michigan wearing pink armbands for breast cancer. Pink is a very good color of Michigan’s “defense”

    Michigan’s defense (I am using that term VERY LOOSELY) should just wear pink jerseys. I have seen more contact and better tackling in a powder puff game.

    East Carolina LB Dustin Lineback comes thisclose to wearing PNOB
    link

    Just saw the back of his jersey at the coin toss before OT aganst NC State.

    If they wore those pants, today’s game might have made the list.

    Although their monochrome look isn’t terrible:
    link

    rangers wearing their proper uniforms today

    lets see if they’ve learned their lesson

    I saw that Slippery Rock and California (PA) was on one of the Regional Channels on DirecTV. I think Fox College Sports Alternate.

    Sigh. Went to that matchup the last two years. Was going to try and make it this year, but couldn’t.

    On Versus – BYU looking all classic against TCU looking a bit Combat-ish. Horney Toads have some kind of lizard-skin look to their trousers. The QB and some others for TCU are wearing black undersleeves that are just crying out for some Ricko-stripes.

    BYU needs to return to the lighter shade of blue to their uniforms. TCU should place a big horned frog on the helmet, and place “TCU” in big lettering on the front of the jersey, like Texas.

    Regarding today’s discussions:

    Before I logged in here, I was watching a bit of Michigan-Iowa and it really jumped out at me how bad the Wolverines nuclear yellow looks.

    After the Rangers punch-in-the-balls loss last night, it’s nice to see them in white today looking like a major league team. Let’s hope they have the sense to retire the softball tops from here on out if they are lucky enough to play another home game.

    As much as I enjoy following uniforms, I don’t wear or collect jerseys. I’d much rather wear a team related t shirt or something in team colors. With that said, jerseys never, ever look good tucked in. IMO, if it’s too long, tailor it or don’t wear it at all.

    There is no circumstance I can think of where tucking a shirt into jeans looks good.

    Is Virginia Tech wearing black helmets today? Playing Wake Forest and they seem pretty dark to me. I only had it on quickly before half time.

    Hoarding is when you can’t navigate around your home, and eventually die of dehydration. That was on the TV show 1000 Ways To Die.

    Nice 1980 USA Hockey jersey in the background.

    Nice 1980 USA Hockey jersey in the background.

    yeah, but does he know that?

    and ben…you really need to adjust the color settings…them rups look mighty pink…either that or tell the mrs. not to use so much clorox…

    Rumor’s still going around that the wife was disappointed when she realized he’d said, “Sox on the bar.”

    —Ricko

    Somehow I keep the wife in a permanent state of disappointment. I’m sure 16 years ago when she agreed to this arrangement she never expected “sock hoarding”. May have had an idea about the booze though.

    My latest set of rups arrived today and I had to share. Don’t quite have all of them, but probably 95% of those available. I thank rpm, the wife blames him.

    That’s Jim Craig in the background.

    You should drape an American Flag around it and place a picture of his father somewhere in the room.

    Colby Lewis, the current pitcher for the Rangers, is wearing an older 5950 made of wool. It is easy to see the telltale gray underbrim.

    I’m a bit behind in my reading here so I don’t know if this has been mentioned recently. I really like the way TBS is doing this “pitch tracker” dealio as if it’s HD-only bonus content.

    Just saw a Hokie black helmet with 2 parts chipped and the Chicago maroon showing through it.

    Watching LSU vs. McNeese State on FSN South. The Cowboys are wearing some nice Under Armour unis with SNOB. And I can’t tell because my T.V. isn’t in HD, but the aforementioned SNOB look to be sewn directly to the back, instead of a nameplate. LSU in the seldom-seen purple.

    Pending the result of this game, LSU might have a bonfire for those purple jerseys afterwards. Then again, it’s getting so ugly down there, a sideline tech might have already been sent for the wood regardless of a win or not….

    So I was going through some stuff that came on my twitter feed. Last night the Sabres and the Canadiens met in a rematch of the first home game in Buffalo history. They had the captains for that game back to recreate the first face off and everything. If you are going to do all that why not wear throwback to that first game?

    Looks like Stephen Garcia (South Carolina QB) is wearing an Under Armour Wounded Warrior undershirt.

    BYU volleyball is having a pink-out tonight. Looks like pink t-shirts with white numbers. Last year the numbers were easy to see, because they were dark blue. UNLV has nothing pink on at all, so they just musn’t care. (eyeroll)

    I think almost every volleyball team in the Michigan Community College Athletic Association is doing a breast cancer event this year. I think the national campaign is dig for a cure.

    The go ahead touchdown in the Kentucky-South Carolina game is the play of the night. I’m calling it now.

    i’d SURE like to be watching the NCLS right now (although the THE vs. sconie is turning out pretty good), but News Corp, the bastards who own the fox and “my nine” (the old WOR) in new york, have pulled the plug, because my cable provider won’t pay their extortion fees; now, im no fan of the dolans, but FUCK news corp — cable has offered to let the matter be decided by an independent arbiter, and allow the programming on until it’s settled, but no…news corp won’t do that

    other companies have tried this shit (ABC pulled itself until last second negotiations let the oscars be shown…2 minutes into the show)…

    so, not only is there no baseball for me tonight, but i won’t get the FOX portion of the NFL tomorrow…and if this protracts (which it better not), no world series

    im already being raped by my cable company…but the networks (and their parents) have a lot of goddam gaul trying to extort the cable company further — basically, they want to MORE THAN DOUBLE the fees they charge to cable to rebroadcast what used to be FREE FUCKING TV…but ever since the gubmint said “no more antennae for you” we’re all getting fucking screwed

    /rant off…probably to start up again tomorrow when i get no football

    DirecTV. That’s all I’m sayin’.

    that’d be great if i still owned my home…but i own a condo now, and we’re not allowed to put satellite dishes on the roof…and it won’t fit on the side of my building (and prolly wouldn’t face the right direction anyway)

    so im stuck with either cable or the equally repulsive verizon FioS

    and yes, i won’t have to watch the lions tomorrow

    The entire affair is despicable, but News Corp has a point with the arbitration thing. Based on their past practices it sounds like Cablevision holds out of negotiating until the contract enters its arbitration period, which is more likely to favor the local cable company, rather than the larger network. That is a bad faith tactic.

    Even though I don’t like all the stuff on the pants, I may have to let that slide for Virginia. Orange tops and bottoms versus Carolina’s white tops and blue bottoms:
    link

    They can wear chartreuse-and-fuschia-plaid Rs on their helmets for all I care as long as they beat UofH. ;)

    Arizona wearing blue helmets tonight against Washington State.
    link
    Notice the red on the field – doesn’t it look higher than the rest of the turf?

    yeah it does. and i can’t help but think of the three stooges when i see those defenders stacked up and all falling over like that.

    Now that the Cats brought back the white helmets, I wish they’d stick with them full time. Wouldn’t mind if they got rid of their red pants as well.

    Wow, the city that booed Santa just cheered a fifth-grade trumpet player after “God Bless America.” Besides the great job he did, I’m sure his Phillies hat helped.

    A little late to the game, but my GOLDEN rule is, I don’t care whether you go NNOB, NOB, or ONOB, get your goddamn font right! Here in Montreal, I see too many Cammalleri jerseys in an atrocious font, and it irks me to no end. The Habs’ 3 digit is all right angles on the inside! Want to get a cheap screenprint on a replica jersey, fine by me. BUT GET THE FONT RIGHT!

    For a group so obsessed with minor details I’m not sure why noone weighed in on it, but FBS isn’t the ‘Old Division I’, it’s the ‘Old Division I-A’

    That’s true. I always forget about that until the FCS title game. I used to say I’d keep calling it Division I-A, but I’ve adjusted.

    fair point…but who ever referred to the old division 1-a as that?

    everyone knows what a “div 1” school is

    UW’s white pants w/ purple-gold-purple stripe looks terrific w/ its gold helmets & purple-white-purple stripe. If only the jersey were better, this’d be a great combo.

    I have more than 200+ jerseys some NOB, some without. But it seems like a waste of space NOT to have a name on a jersey.

    I have been collecting and wearing jerseys for the last 22 years. When I was 18, EVERYONE TUCKED! It has changed over the years as styles have changed. BUT YOU NEVER PUT YOUR ON THE JERSEY! You also don’t wear a jersey for a team that is not playing in the venue you are at.

    Yankee, Phillies and Red Sox fans, stop wearing your team’s jersey to CitiField if you team isn’t playing there! Are you arrogant or just plain stupid and lost?

    And girls stop wearing Jeter jerseys! We know you want to impress your boyfriends, but they are just as ignorant to baseball and are just as much fairweather fans as you! How many of you went to Yankee stadium in the late 80’s/early 90’s when the Bronx was a ghost town anyway? Half of you don’t even know who Joe Pepitone is.

    Can anybody think of a helmet logo that includes the team name and/or mascot that doesn’t look like shit?

    Oregon State w/ Beaver & script “Beavers” = fail
    Boise State w/ Bronc & “Boise State” = fail
    University of Northern Iowa w/ Panther & “UNI” = fail

    Florida’s “Gators” script is OK. At least the Gator is on the jersey.

    Oregon State. I know their colors are Orange and Black. Is it just my TV (or maybe because I never watch them) but do their orange highlights look rather pinkish tonight? I especially noticed it with the coaches’ gear.

    First, make your own jersey rules for yourself, and refrain from passing judgment on others. It’s neither your right nor your business. You sound like a fool when you do otherwise … and no one made you God.

    If the team had NNOB, then I think it’s best to have NNOB. As a Yankees fan, I follow that. Sometimes that means you forget that #2 was once Bobby Murcer (or #1 was Murcer, too), but that’s the way it goes. Just my opinion.

    ONOB doesn’t bother me, and I have hockey and (few) football jerseys that bear my name. Until recently I used numbers that I actually wore once, but now I look for numbers that look right on the jersey, with some attention paid to past players. I like the Isles, and played wearing #19 … you can see the problem. I have several Trottier/#19 jerseys as well.

    If you are opposed to ONOB, then, unless you have a player and number in mind, or it’s a team with NNOB, leave it blank seems best. Odd to see jerseys with number on back where there should also be a name on back, and there isn’t.

    Tucking a hockey jersey looks wrong to me, so I don’t do it, but live and let live. Baseball depends on why I’m wearing it (attending game versus actually playing), and same with football, although there I’m usually untucked. Don’t have any basketball jerseys, and I think there I’d go untucked.

    Wear what makes you happy, don’t worry about what others think, and don’t pass judgment on others. You look like a jerk when you do.

    If you buy a jersey, you’re already in fantasy land, so for anyone to pick apart anyone else’s rules about jerseys is simply bogus. If you think your rules are holy writ, then by all means don’t buy a jersey, period, lest you open yourself to ridicule.

    I agree what you say about past players. I have a lot of legacy jerseys. Hernandez, Hodges, Piazza, Simms, Hampton, Morris, Anderson, Strahan. Then there are the jerseys I would LOVE to burn- Shockey, Barber, Rodriguez… Jersey numbering has to be VERY select.

    To me jersey wearing has always been a fashion statement. Never afraid to breakout a legacy jersey for the right occasion (to remember 9/11 I always wear my NYPD cap and the black Piazza jersey I wore to the game when he hit the home one on 9/21). Even scrubs who have come and gone are okay to wear. But the greater sin is to wear a jail bait jersey… Tuck and ONOB pales in comparison.

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