There’s No Service Like Wire Service, Vol. 10

when exactly did teams and cities start increasing the security presence to prevent this

I believe it was after the Mets fans (remember them, Paul?) tore up Shea Stadium in 1969

The Chicago Fire are “going green” by wearing a white jersey (with thanks to Kenn Tomasch

Numbers and player names in green.

The checked that Cardinals (Desert Falcons) additional story to see if the people in the Phoenix-Mesa area felt the same way I did. The folks in the desert aren’t fools, they saw an ‘Atlanta Cardinals’ kit as well.

A new color that has nothing to do with the team’s color scheme? Huh? The official team colors of the Cardinals are cardinal, white, and, yes, black. Look at all of the black in the logo.

I agree with everything else you say. It’s unnecessary and ugly with all sorts of extraneous panels and piping. But I don’t see how it’s black for black’s sake. I have no problem with black uniforms for teams who have black as an official color, which the Cardinals do.

[quote comment=”387045″]The checked that Cardinals (Desert Falcons) additional story to see if the people in the Phoenix-Mesa area felt the same way I did. The folks in the desert aren’t fools, they saw an ‘Atlanta Cardinals’ kit as well.[/quote]

I meant, “I checked that Cardinals’ story”. Coffee hasn’t kicked in yet.

Yeah, but they look JUST like the Falcons.

[quote comment=”387043″]when exactly did teams and cities start increasing the security presence to prevent this

I believe it was after the Mets fans (remember them, Paul?) tore up Shea Stadium in 1969[/quote]

not sure exactly when…but i remember 1986 very well, when the mets had hundreds of new york’s finest circling the field to prevent ANYONE from getting on the field after game 7…that’s the first time i remember such a heavy security, although it may have happened elsewhere prior to that

…just looked found a photo of 85…kc celebrating on mound with nary a fan in sight, so i’d imagine they had security pretty heavily there too

84 had tigers ~~on road~~ home and in 1983, o’s celebrated, but it looks like there were fans on the field (even for an away clinching)…

so i’d have to pinpoint it as sometime in the early-mid 80s as the time when the crackdown on fans “sharing” the victory with the team

The Red Sox wore an Earth Day patch last night vs. Texas. They wore it in 2008 as well. Last year they wore a green cap.

tigers 1984 — looks like the gestapo was present there too

Thy stirrup four haseth arrived!

With all the publicity over the recent years on logo infringements, etc. why didn’t someone in the HS administration do a Google search on major colleges and their logos? And with the school being in OH, no one noticed how similar their logo is to Pitt’s?

Ok, let me first say that, no, I don’t particularly like the Cardinals new black jerseys. But – to say black isn’t part of their color scheme is just stupid. The Cardinals colors are red white and black, with the yellow on the beak not really counting – much like how the red & blue on the Steelers logo doesn’t really count. The logo is half red, half black. If they were using any other name – Scorpions, Rattlesnakes, Buzzards, whatever… the black jersey would be fine (unnecessary and copycatish, yeah, but acceptable.)

There’s plenty of valid reasons to call it bad – “cardinals are red birds, so they should wear red”, or “it looks too much like the Falcons”, or “why the hell would you wear black in the desert” – but “black isn’t a team color” is not one of them.

Hey, why is that Atlanta Falcons player wearing an Arizona Cardinals helmet?
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[quote comment=”387051″]link — looks like the gestapo was present there too[/quote]

And let’s not forget the 1980 Phillies where police on horseback were on the field. link

updated pics of the new US Soccer jersey link

[quote comment=”387054″]Ok, let me first say that, no, I don’t particularly like the Cardinals new black jerseys. But – to say black isn’t part of their color scheme is just stupid. The Cardinals colors are red white and black, with the yellow on the beak not really counting – much like how the red & blue on the Steelers logo doesn’t really count. The logo is half red, half black. If they were using any other name – Scorpions, Rattlesnakes, Buzzards, whatever… the black jersey would be fine (unnecessary and copycatish, yeah, but acceptable.)

There’s plenty of valid reasons to call it bad – “cardinals are red birds, so they should wear red”, or “it looks too much like the Falcons”, or “why the hell would you wear black in the desert” – but “black isn’t a team color” is not one of them.[/quote]
[quote comment=\”387054\”]Ok, let me first say that, no, I don\’t particularly like the Cardinals new black jerseys. But – to say black isn\’t part of their color scheme is just stupid. The Cardinals colors are red white and black, with the yellow on the beak not really counting – much like how the red & blue on the Steelers logo doesn\’t really count. The logo is half red, half black. If they were using any other name – Scorpions, Rattlesnakes, Buzzards, whatever… the black jersey would be fine (unnecessary and copycatish, yeah, but acceptable.)

There\’s plenty of valid reasons to call it bad – \”cardinals are red birds, so they should wear red\”, or \”it looks too much like the Falcons\”, or \”why the hell would you wear black in the desert\” – but \”black isn\’t a team color\” is not one of them.[/quote]
I don’t agree with those saying that black is a team color. Caveat: I have not seen the Card’s official style guide, so perhaps it actually is an official color. But I don’t think you can say it is an official color just because there is a lot of black in the logo. Historically, the Cardinals have always worn red and white. Think back to any year of Cardinal’s existence and what colors were they wearing? The name “Cardinals” comes from the color of their first hand-me-down jerseys from U of Chicago, for crying out loud!

Ugh. Sorry about the crappy quoting job above ^^^

MSU to be Nike-fied today at 3:15. new football unis released, along with basketball (both mens and womens), hockey, and volleyball.

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From the Habs’ “Spot a fake jersey” website FAQs:

Q: What’s the difference between an authentic and replica jersey from Reebok?

A: Authentic jerseys are made to the same specifications, and with the same materials, as those worn by Canadiens players on the ice. Reebok’s authentic jersey features (1) stretch fabric in the collar with PLAYDRYâ„¢ moisture management technology to maximize comfort, breathability and temperature control, (2) 4Way Stretch Mesh in areas including the underarms and back to provide additional range of motion and increased ventilation, (3) Reebok’s innovative BEAD AWAYâ„¢ water repellent technology, and (4) X-trafil incorporated into high-abrasion areas such as the shoulders and elbows to provide increased durability.

However, retailers only over the Edge 1.0 for sale. The players wear Edge 2.0. Version 2.0 replaces the “new tech” fabric with air mesh material.

Oh, please. Black is NOT a Cards team color, even if it’s listed as such. By point of comparison, let’s look at the 49ers helmet:
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There’s a teeny bit of black trim. So if they went to a black alt jersey, you’d say, “That’s fine, it’s one of their team colors”? Of course not.

looks like i will be making another stirrup order. :) Also, good to see I wasn’t the only one lookin gat the stirrups as items to be worn on hollidays. The Oaks can be both Christmas and St Patrick’s Day! Should I go Giant’s or O’s for Halloween…

I can see my wife rolling her eyes now…

[quote comment=”387048″]Yeah, but they look JUST like the Falcons.[/quote]

I think they look more like these guys (and that’s not a good thing):

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[quote comment=”387062″]Oh, please. Black is NOT a Cards team color, even if it’s listed as such. By point of comparison, let’s look at the 49ers helmet:
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There’s a teeny bit of black trim. So if they went to a black alt jersey, you’d say, “That’s fine, it’s one of their team colors”? Of course not.[/quote]

With the current uniform, no. With the 1999 uniform, yeah. One little outline might not make it a team color, but trim and piping on every part of the uniform kinda does.

Example – I know you hate purple, but take the Vikings. Everyone would say the Vikings colors are purple white and gold/yellow, right? The Cardinals have every bit as much black on their uniform as the Vikings have yellow on theirs.

The Cards black jersey is stupid… but it is a team color.

didn’t Pitt change their panther head logo to a new “sleeker” looking (i.e. hannibal lecter looking) logo?

and does Pitt really have an identity or brand to protect since they change their logo and uniforms every few years and they can’t decide if they want to be called Pitt or Pittsburgh?

I’m so over the Red Sox that I usually skip over anything having to do with them…but boy am I glad I didn’t make that mistake with the Green Monster link. It’s a thing of beauty!

I’m also calling BS on black being a Cards team color…the illustration that serves as their logo has a black outline. That’s all.

[quote comment=”387062″]Oh, please. Black is NOT a Cards team color, even if it’s listed as such. By point of comparison, let’s look at the 49ers helmet:
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There’s a teeny bit of black trim. So if they went to a black alt jersey, you’d say, “That’s fine, it’s one of their team colors”? Of course not.[/quote]

even their Wiki page has been updated with the BFBS alt… link

and apparently black is now one of the oficial team colors…

Re: Havlicek and painting with a basketball. I recall seeing Bill Russell doing the same thing in a commercial for a charity back in the ’70s. The art was then sold to benefit the charity.

The commercial featured other people doing similar art that was based on their field. Does anyone else remember this?

I know we have covered this in the past, but I just couldn’t stay quiet…man are those Pirates’ 7’s brutal!

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[quote comment=”387065″][quote comment=”387062″]Oh, please. Black is NOT a Cards team color, even if it’s listed as such. By point of comparison, let’s look at the 49ers helmet:
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There’s a teeny bit of black trim. So if they went to a black alt jersey, you’d say, “That’s fine, it’s one of their team colors”? Of course not.[/quote]

With the current uniform, no. With the 1999 uniform, yeah. One little outline might not make it a team color, but trim and piping on every part of the uniform kinda does.

Example – I know you hate purple, but take the Vikings. Everyone would say the Vikings colors are purple white and gold/yellow, right? The Cardinals have every bit as much black on their uniform as the Vikings have yellow on theirs.

The Cards black jersey is stupid… but it is a team color.[/quote]
The Vikings are different. Nobody says their colors are purple, white and gold. Just purple and gold. On the other hand the cardinal’s are cardinal and white. Let’s use some common sense here. Yes, they might have black on their style guide because there is some black on the uniform, but seriously people – their colors are red and white. This is classic BFBS.

even when creating art, Havlicek is executing a fundamentally sound bounce pass.

Some days, I totally get the stirrup thing.

And some days, I look at pictures like the one of Roberto, and the office glam shots, and it feels like some bizarro spank material.

[quote comment=”387054″]Ok, let me first say that, no, I don’t particularly like the Cardinals new black jerseys. But – to say black isn’t part of their color scheme is just stupid. The Cardinals colors are red white and black, with the yellow on the beak not really counting – much like how the red & blue on the Steelers logo doesn’t really count. The logo is half red, half black. If they were using any other name – Scorpions, Rattlesnakes, Buzzards, whatever… the black jersey would be fine (unnecessary and copycatish, yeah, but acceptable.)

There’s plenty of valid reasons to call it bad – “cardinals are red birds, so they should wear red”, or “it looks too much like the Falcons”, or “why the hell would you wear black in the desert” – but “black isn’t a team color” is not one of them.[/quote]

True. But the Cardinals have almost a 50-year history of employing the black only has an accent, and before that of not using it all.

May be hair-splitting, but it is a valid hair-splitting, at least in the way such things are in practice, but there’s a difference between “colors in the team palette” and “team colors.” Technically there’s yellow in the baseball Cardinals’ team palette, too. They gonna break out yellow hats and sleeves soon? And everyone’s gonna say that’s an okay color to lead with?

I’ll say again what I said last night. The presence of black trim is being used as a rationalization to add a trendy black jersey. “Oh, whew, we can justify getting on the bandwagon and be unique like everyone else; what a relief.”

And I’ll ask again, too, does that same thinking make it okay for Ohio State to wear a black football jersey…because they’ve used black as an accent color for, what, almost 60 years now?

—Ricko

Maybe it’s because I’m a tall man and I can relate, but that Bill Russell golf cart photo is my favorite.

[quote comment=”387074″][quote comment=”387054″]Ok, let me first say that, no, I don’t particularly like the Cardinals new black jerseys. But – to say black isn’t part of their color scheme is just stupid. The Cardinals colors are red white and black, with the yellow on the beak not really counting – much like how the red & blue on the Steelers logo doesn’t really count. The logo is half red, half black. If they were using any other name – Scorpions, Rattlesnakes, Buzzards, whatever… the black jersey would be fine (unnecessary and copycatish, yeah, but acceptable.)

There’s plenty of valid reasons to call it bad – “cardinals are red birds, so they should wear red”, or “it looks too much like the Falcons”, or “why the hell would you wear black in the desert” – but “black isn’t a team color” is not one of them.[/quote]

True. But the Cardinals have almost a 50-year history of employing the black only has an accent, and before that of not using it all.

May be hair-splitting, but it is a valid hair-splitting, at least in the way such things are in practice, but there’s a difference between “colors in the team palette” and “team colors.” Technically there’s yellow in the baseball Cardinals’ team palette, too. They gonna break out yellow hats and sleeves soon? And everyone’s gonna say that’s an okay color to lead with?

I’ll say again what I said last night. The presence of black trim is being used as a rationalization to add a trendy black jersey. “Oh, whew, we can justify getting on the bandwagon and be unique like everyone else; what a relief.”

And I’ll ask again, too, does that same thinking make it okay for Ohio State to wear a black football jersey…because they’ve used black as an accent color for, what, almost 60 years now?

—Ricko[/quote]
I posted this late last night…

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If we were to judge BFBS on this classic jersey, then the Cardinals have a legitimate arguement.

By the way: alternate jerseys…suck. Modern design elements make me sick. I despise all this somber blackness.

Let’s hope the Cardinals don’t follow the Terps’ lead and turn this

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into this

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or this

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You know what, forget it. I don’t even know why I’m arguing about it since I agree that the damn thing is stupid and ugly.

There’s just no freaking logic here sometimes. Team A can use a uniform consisting of Color A, White and Color B, and Color B is considered a team color. Apparently Color B isn’t allowed to be Black or it no longer counts. Whatever. I don’t care.

[quote comment=”387065″]
take the Vikings. Everyone would say the Vikings colors are purple white and gold/yellow, right? The Cardinals have every bit as much black on their uniform as the Vikings have yellow on theirs.[/quote]

when the vikings come out with a gold alternate *shudder*…

then maybe you’ll have a point

even IF you can make the argument that the black is not *technically* BFBS (which i believe it is…almost the most egregious form)…there is still NO REASON WHATSOEVER to introduce a third jersey

period

(oh, sure…$$$…but in terms of history and tradition? absolutely NO FUCKIN REASON for this)

welcome to the bandwagon, cardinals…now let’s all party like its 1999

Apparently some people think black is one of the Cardinals primary colors and has been for a few years
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[quote comment=”387072″]even when creating art, Havlicek is executing a fundamentally sound bounce pass.[/quote]

One could argue that the way Hondo executed a bounce pass is, in and of itself, an art form.

I don’t know why so many people are getting worked up about the black Cardinals jerseys. Their existing jerseys look like shit anyway.

(My apologies if this has been posted before and I missed it…)

I was fumbling through the covers in the SI Vault and found the 1970 Baseball Preview issue. Check out how they tried to change the Seattle Pilots cap into a Milwaukee Brewers cap (bottom left corner). Kegs and (scrambled) eggs!

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[quote comment=”387078″]You know what, forget it. I don’t even know why I’m arguing about it since I agree that the damn thing is stupid and ugly.

There’s just no freaking logic here sometimes. Team A can use a uniform consisting of Color A, White and Color B, and Color B is considered a team color. Apparently Color B isn’t allowed to be Black or it no longer counts. Whatever. I don’t care.[/quote]
I see your point, but I think the difference here is that Color B for the cardinals is white. They are not red, white and black (at least by common sense standards, imo).

Either way, 9 out of 10 dentists agree: that jersey is fugly.

[quote comment=”387043″]when exactly did teams and cities start increasing the security presence to prevent this

I believe it was after the Mets fans (remember them, Paul?) tore up Shea Stadium in 1969[/quote]

They sure didn’t have it for link or link.

[quote comment=”387067″]I’m so over the Red Sox that I usually skip over anything having to do with them…but boy am I glad I didn’t make that mistake with the Green Monster link. It’s a thing of beauty![/quote]

There’s love, then there’s love. Wow!

Great pic of the great Clemente. In the old stirrups that accompanied the flannel vests link or the newer stirrups introduced with the new double knits link , Clemente just looked boss. The Pirates should be so ashamed (but they reached that point seven seasons ago).

On another note. I liked the Spurrier photo. Exactly when did the Niners think this was a good look? link

[quote comment=”387080″]Apparently some people think black is one of the Cardinals primary colors and has been for a few years
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Again, with an almost 50-year-history of using it as an accent only.

The sudden decision to go dominant black now is transparent trendiness and marketing.

So much celebration over such an unoriginal idea is … sheep bleating their joy. I’m happy for them. Enjoy wearing your black jerseys around the pool next Summer in Phoenix. Black is SUCH an Arizona color.

Always thought a great country song would be…
“Ain’t No Black Cars in Phoenix Arizona”

(Hint: it would be like getting into an oven)

—Ricko

Pretty big contrast between the Broncos’ link and link. (Was freeing up the number part of the reason for the trade?)

Rox are 4-1 in the stupid black vests. 4-0 with link and 0-1 otherwise. I’m almost willing to give U-ball a pass on the vests if no one else picks them for their starts.

How did I miss those link? Gots to get me dat.

I don’t know what you nerds are talking about but could someone tell me why Jack Dempsey was gonna punch Peter Scolari in that picture?

re: Guy in the golf cart with Bill Russell – kinda looks like Jesse Owens, but would the timeframe be correct?

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[quote comment=”387086″][quote comment=”387067″]I’m so over the Red Sox that I usually skip over anything having to do with them…but boy am I glad I didn’t make that mistake with the Green Monster link. It’s a thing of beauty![/quote]

There’s love, then there’s love. Wow!

Great pic of the great Clemente. In the old stirrups that accompanied the flannel vests link or the newer stirrups introduced with the new double knits link , Clemente just looked boss. The Pirates should be so ashamed (but they reached that point seven seasons ago).

On another note. I liked the Spurrier photo. Exactly when did the Niners think this was a good look? link

Photos of Clemente reminded me of something I’ve been meaning to ask here.

When was the last time there was a World Series with at least one team where visible striped stirrups were typical for its players?

’75 Red Sox, maybe? (and they were one of the few teams that did have lots of players showing stripes even then…cuz the style was more toward “ribbons”)

If it is, then maybe we’re saying the train should stop at a place where the tracks were torn up almost 40 years ago.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”387083″](My apologies if this has been posted before and I missed it…)

I was fumbling through the covers in the SI Vault and found the 1970 Baseball Preview issue. Check out how they tried to change the Seattle Pilots cap into a Milwaukee Brewers cap (bottom left corner). Kegs and (scrambled) eggs!

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Scrambling is an apt word choice. Selig’s group was awarded the Pilots by a bankruptcy judge on the evening of March 31, 1970. The Brewers opened against the Angels on April 7. Had to wreak havoc on SI’s production schedule.

So amazing that pro athletes all wore Chucks back in the day. That shot is fro mthe 1951 NBA finals – Celts vs. Knicks.
Paul, the photo rocks. But my copy of the Official NBA Guide tells me that the Knicks played Rochester in the finals that year. They played the Celtics in the Eastern semis.

[quote comment=”387083″](My apologies if this has been posted before and I missed it…)

I was fumbling through the covers in the SI Vault and found the 1970 Baseball Preview issue. Check out how they tried to change the Seattle Pilots cap into a Milwaukee Brewers cap (bottom left corner). Kegs and (scrambled) eggs!

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A bankrupty judge awarded Selig’s group the Pilots on the evening of March 31, 1970. The Brewers opened the season at home against the Angels on April 7. Had to wreak havoc on SI’s production schedule.

Paul, the Celtics-Knicks photo from ’51 rocks. But the Knicks played Rochester in the finals that year, my Official NBA Guide tells me. The Knicks and Celtics played in the Eastern semis.

As said many times, the cards new alt unis are stupid.
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[quote comment=”387073″]Some days, I totally get the stirrup thing.

And some days, I look at pictures like the one of Roberto, and the office glam shots, and it feels like some bizarro spank material.[/quote]

then you’ll hate today

[quote comment=”387088″][quote comment=”387080″]Apparently some people think black is one of the Cardinals primary colors and has been for a few years
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Again, with an almost 50-year-history of using it as an accent only.

The sudden decision to go dominant black now is transparent trendiness and marketing.

So much celebration over such an unoriginal idea is … sheep bleating their joy. I’m happy for them. Enjoy wearing your black jerseys around the pool next Summer in Phoenix. Black is SUCH an Arizona color.

Always thought a great country song would be…
“Ain’t No Black Cars in Phoenix Arizona”

(Hint: it would be like getting into an oven)

—Ricko

—Ricko[/quote]

I guess all I’m really saying is that it’s Alternate for Alternate Sake, rather than BFBS. It’s still stupid and pointless and has no reason to exist beyond marketing. I just view it in the same light as the Seahawks green jerseys, and not as a case of adding black. Like I said last night, they wanted to be like everyone else and have an alternate jersey, what other option would they have? They’re pretty much limited to either wearing a throwback, or going with the standard color swapped jersey, which in their case is black. Yeah, they’re a few years late to the party, but it is what it is.

Seen all the comments on the Cardinals’ third jersey and eventhough I agree the black jersey is a bit much, the whole article on BFBS was essentially saying these teams have no black whatsoever (The Eagles and Mets were a perfect example). The cardinal’s face does have black on it and although I think the jerseys are just another marketing ploy, you can’t put the black on the same level as the other BFBS teams.

[quote comment=”387083″](My apologies if this has been posted before and I missed it…)

I was fumbling through the covers in the SI Vault and found the 1970 Baseball Preview issue. Check out how they tried to change the Seattle Pilots cap into a Milwaukee Brewers cap (bottom left corner). Kegs and (scrambled) eggs!

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A bankruptcy judge awarded Selig’s group the Pilots on the evening of March 31, 1970. The Brewers opened the season at home against the Angels on April 7. Had to wreak havoc on SI’s production schedule.

[quote comment=”387098″][quote comment=”387088″][quote comment=”387080″]Apparently some people think black is one of the Cardinals primary colors and has been for a few years
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Again, with an almost 50-year-history of using it as an accent only.

The sudden decision to go dominant black now is transparent trendiness and marketing.

So much celebration over such an unoriginal idea is … sheep bleating their joy. I’m happy for them. Enjoy wearing your black jerseys around the pool next Summer in Phoenix. Black is SUCH an Arizona color.

Always thought a great country song would be…
“Ain’t No Black Cars in Phoenix Arizona”

(Hint: it would be like getting into an oven)

—Ricko

—Ricko[/quote]

I guess all I’m really saying is that it’s Alternate for Alternate Sake, rather than BFBS. It’s still stupid and pointless and has no reason to exist beyond marketing. I just view it in the same light as the Seahawks green jerseys, and not as a case of adding black. Like I said last night, they wanted to be like everyone else and have an alternate jersey, what other option would they have? They’re pretty much limited to either wearing a throwback, or going with the standard color swapped jersey, which in their case is black. Yeah, they’re a few years late to the party, but it is what it is.[/quote]
There was another option.

What’s the requirement for NFL uni redesigns? Wear them five years before you can do another?

Cards trotted out this pile of garbage they’re wearing now in 2005, right? 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 — that’s the requisite five seasons. They could have just scrapped that whole thing and started from square one with red and white uniforms that actually look decent.

Maybe they could have changed the helmets to black (or red with black stripes/facemask) then waited a year or two and bring out the black jersey as well. I’m not saying I want them to do that, but I think it would be more palatable if they would have done it that way.

I have no idea why they’re clinging to the classic white helmet/gray facemask look anyway. Again, not that I want it to go away (it’s actually one of my favorite designs in the league, updated logo or not). I just think it looks horribly out of place with that “sleek and modern” uniform design.

[quote comment=”387097″][quote comment=”387073″]Some days, I totally get the stirrup thing.

And some days, I look at pictures like the one of Roberto, and the office glam shots, and it feels like some bizarro spank material.[/quote]

then link[/quote]

Oh, I didn’t say I HATED it…

(creeping self out)

Haha.

[quote comment=”387099″]Seen all the comments on the Cardinals’ third jersey and eventhough I agree the black jersey is a bit much, the whole article on BFBS was essentially saying these teams have no black whatsoever (The Eagles and Mets were a perfect example). The cardinal’s face does have black on it and although I think the jerseys are just another marketing ploy, you can’t put the black on the same level as the other BFBS teams.[/quote]

Exactly. And you’re right. This is more what I called “Malignant BTA.” That’s when long time use of, or the recent addition of, Black Trim Accents is seen as justification for adding a black garment, sometimes (but not in the Cardinals case) even to changing team colors to “make it official.”
(cough-cough, “Mets”)

—Ricko

[quote comment=”387100″][quote comment=”387083″](My apologies if this has been posted before and I missed it…)

I was fumbling through the covers in the SI Vault and found the 1970 Baseball Preview issue. Check out how they tried to change the Seattle Pilots cap into a Milwaukee Brewers cap (bottom left corner). Kegs and (scrambled) eggs!

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A bankruptcy judge awarded Selig’s group the Pilots on the evening of March 31, 1970. The Brewers opened the season at home against the Angels on April 7. Had to wreak havoc on SI’s production schedule.[/quote]

On that cover, see also a Navy blue White Sox with the new hat logo that hadn’t been seen until ’69, but on a royal hat. Note also that all the other hats known to be royal LOOK royal.

No one believes me that White Sox wore navy at least SOME of the ’70 season. Although, interestingly enough there WAS a throwback uni made up and worn in MLB that was gray with navy hats, letter and number borders, sleeves, etc. So someone else must see that way, too.

—Ricko

We’re missing the point on the Cardinals’ new uniforms (because the sock tops and pant stripes are black as well): why it’s being done.

It’s not being done for any reason other than black is cool. Black moves product among a particular desirable demographic. Not because black is in the logo or was in pant stripes in 1978 or for any aesthetic reason.

It’s to move product. It’s to be “fierce.” I don’t particularly agree with that, but it’s not my money or my team, so they can do whatever they want.

I live in Phoenix. I have no doubt that even though the days of 117 degrees with no clouds for weeks on end are nearly upon us, these jerseys are going to be showing up all over. Largely on the backs of people who will never watch or attend a Cardinals game.

Which is – I guess – their raison d’etre.

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Check out what’s on the bench in front of each Cowboys’ locker in the Super Bowl V shot. It appears to be the game program in some kind of gift box.

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I suspect the freebies for Super Bowl players have stepped up a bit since then.

[quote comment=”387063″]looks like i will be making another stirrup order. :) Also, good to see I wasn’t the only one lookin gat the stirrups as items to be worn on hollidays. The Oaks can be both Christmas and St Patrick’s Day! Should I go Giant’s or O’s for Halloween…

I can see my wife rolling her eyes now…[/quote]

Get her a pair, too. She can wear them like Mrs. Koufax…

[quote comment=”387102″][quote comment=”387097″][quote comment=”387073″]Some days, I totally get the stirrup thing.

And some days, I look at pictures like the one of Roberto, and the office glam shots, and it feels like some bizarro spank material.[/quote]

then link[/quote]

Oh, I didn’t say I HATED it…

(creeping self out)

Haha.[/quote]
Variety’s the spice of life. I like a wide selection. Sometimes I’m in the mood for nasty close-ups, sometimes I like them arty and air-brushed. Sometimes it’s a ~~spread brown-eye~~ ribbon stirrup kind of night, sometimes it’s ~~girl-on-girl~~ white rups-on-dark sanis time. Sometimes a steamy letter will do it, sometimes — not often, but sometimes — I like the idea of a ~~chick with a horse~~ dude with dress shoes and stirrups.

Sorry, here’s the SB5 program cover link:

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[quote comment=”387067″]I’m so over the Red Sox that I usually skip over anything having to do with them…but boy am I glad I didn’t make that mistake with the Green Monster link. It’s a thing of beauty![/quote]

I agree. Gives me the urge to have the fence and skyline of PNC Park link painted on my wall.

[quote comment=”387070″]I know we have covered this in the past, but I just couldn’t stay quiet…man are those Pirates’ 7’s brutal!

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Yeah, they look like incomplete 2s.

Just go back to this font, Pirates:
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[quote comment=”387086″][quote comment=”387067″]I’m so over the Red Sox that I usually skip over anything having to do with them…but boy am I glad I didn’t make that mistake with the Green Monster link. It’s a thing of beauty![/quote]

There’s love, then there’s love. Wow!

Great pic of the great Clemente. In the old stirrups that accompanied the flannel vests link or the newer stirrups introduced with the new double knits link , Clemente just looked boss. The Pirates should be so ashamed (but they reached that point seven seasons ago).

On another note. I liked the Spurrier photo. Exactly when did the Niners think this was a good look? link

Wait, what? That’s NOT a good look?! Isn’t that uniform consistenly ranked among the top of NFL uniforms by, you know, people who rank those kinds of things?

Cripes, that should not have been that hard. Here’s a good link to the Super Bowl V cover:

link

While searching for that, I found a shot of the cover of the 1968 AFL Championship Game, when they were most definitely calling it Shea. The colors, man …

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[quote comment=”387112″][quote comment=”387086″][quote comment=”387067″]I’m so over the Red Sox that I usually skip over anything having to do with them…but boy am I glad I didn’t make that mistake with the Green Monster link. It’s a thing of beauty![/quote]

There’s love, then there’s love. Wow!

Great pic of the great Clemente. In the old stirrups that accompanied the flannel vests link or the newer stirrups introduced with the new double knits link , Clemente just looked boss. The Pirates should be so ashamed (but they reached that point seven seasons ago).

On another note. I liked the Spurrier photo. Exactly when did the Niners think this was a good look? link

Wait, what? That’s NOT a good look?! Isn’t that uniform consistenly ranked among the top of NFL uniforms by, you know, people who rank those kinds of things?[/quote]

OK, I take that back since I realized you were talking about the pant stripes, and not the entire uniform.

I get a little jumpy about these things–like when people say the Mona Lisa is just a picture. Or something.

Was just at lunch and saw a guy with a Tigers pullover in which the MLB logo on the back was navy on the left of the batter and black on the right. I couldnt help but think that orange would be much better looking than the black.

This is what constant uniwatch reading has drawn my attention to!

Long-time reader, first time poster…

“It’s funny how it used to be taken as a given that fans would storm the field on such occasions – when exactly did teams and cities start increasing the security presence to prevent this?”

My recollection, as someone references above, is that the 1986 Mets played a big part in this. I seem to recall that, after the Mets clinched the NL East, fans charged the field in mass and literally tore up the field in the process of doing so. I think the field had to be resodded after the game, and I seem to recall increases in security at Shea for the rest of the playoffs, and I haven’t seen too many, if any, since.

In basketball, there was one memorable “charging the court” after that date – at the end of Game 7 between the Lakers and Pistons in 1988. Was was particularly memorable was that the Lakers had either a two or three point lead (i.e., the game was definitely not over), and the Pistons were inbounding the ball from under their own basket with a second or two left. The crowd charged the court as the inbound pass was in the air, and the refs did nothing about it. Like the game at Shea two years earlier, this was the grande finale of NBA court charges, and I can’t recall any in the years since.

The Taj Mahal of field charge videos comes from Game 6 of the 1977 World Series (the Reggie game). The game comes up from time to time on ESPN Classic, and I recommend watching it for reasons other than Reggie’s homers:

– in the top of the 9th, Reggie (you know, the guy who just hit three straight homers on three straight pitches!) is pelted by batteries thrown BY HIS OWN FANS, and he goes to the dugout to retries a batting helmet to wear in the field;

– throughout the top of the 9th, fans in right field are sitting ON THE WALL, with their feet dangling over the fence;

– after the Yankees clinch, the camera focuses on Reggie desperately weaving through the crowd on the field to get to the dugout and safety; and

— my favorite: afetr a home run during the game, the guy other than Howard Cosell doing color (Don Drysdale?) described the pitch upon replay as being “thrown down the old poop chute.” I replayed that several times to make sure I heard it correctly. What I wouldn’t give for Joe Buck to start using that phrase for any grooved fastball.

[quote comment=”387098″][quote comment=”387088″][quote comment=”387080″]Apparently some people think black is one of the Cardinals primary colors and has been for a few years
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Again, with an almost 50-year-history of using it as an accent only.

The sudden decision to go dominant black now is transparent trendiness and marketing.

So much celebration over such an unoriginal idea is … sheep bleating their joy. I’m happy for them. Enjoy wearing your black jerseys around the pool next Summer in Phoenix. Black is SUCH an Arizona color.

Always thought a great country song would be…
“Ain’t No Black Cars in Phoenix Arizona”

(Hint: it would be like getting into an oven)

—Ricko

—Ricko[/quote]

I guess all I’m really saying is that it’s Alternate for Alternate Sake, rather than BFBS. It’s still stupid and pointless and has no reason to exist beyond marketing. I just view it in the same light as the Seahawks green jerseys, and not as a case of adding black. Like I said last night, they wanted to be like everyone else and have an alternate jersey, what other option would they have? They’re pretty much limited to either wearing a throwback, or going with the standard color swapped jersey, which in their case is black. Yeah, they’re a few years late to the party, but it is what it is.[/quote]
I’d go a step further and call it SFSS — Suck for Sucks Sake!

Black is a darker shade of gray, so can we surmise the Cardinals are trying to look like a tough female cardinal?
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[quote comment=”387114″][quote comment=”387112″][quote comment=”387086″][quote comment=”387067″]I’m so over the Red Sox that I usually skip over anything having to do with them…but boy am I glad I didn’t make that mistake with the Green Monster link. It’s a thing of beauty![/quote]

There’s love, then there’s love. Wow!

Great pic of the great Clemente. In the old stirrups that accompanied the flannel vests link or the newer stirrups introduced with the new double knits link , Clemente just looked boss. The Pirates should be so ashamed (but they reached that point seven seasons ago).

On another note. I liked the Spurrier photo. Exactly when did the Niners think this was a good look? link

Wait, what? That’s NOT a good look?! Isn’t that uniform consistenly ranked among the top of NFL uniforms by, you know, people who rank those kinds of things?[/quote]

OK, I take that back since I realized you were talking about the pant stripes, and not the entire uniform.

I get a little jumpy about these things–like when people say the Mona Lisa is just a picture. Or something.[/quote]

ABOUT THESE…
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A question for Skeebz, perhaps? Or Terry Proctor?

Seems to me that back then, given the fabrics of the time, sewing a band of embroidered stripes onto the pants created a bit of a binding up and down the leg. May have felt to the players like it restricted movement.

Those wide panels on the 49ers (and Bears, too, another team that did the same thing) seemed to employ an inserted super-wide panel of almost web-like embroidery striping fabric as part of the pants themselves, as opposed to sewing it ONTO them. That would have give far greater range of movement, one would think. Or at least the SENSE of greater range of movement.

Why didn’t everyone do it? Because back then teams picked their own suppliers.

Then as, fabrics improved, and the entire pant could stretch more, the need for thos wide stripe inserts went away.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”387118″]Black is a darker shade of gray, so can we surmise the Cardinals are trying to look like a tough female cardinal?
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Makes me wonder, has any (male) team mistakenly used the female, uh, version of its namesake in its logo? Granted, the number of animals that have any major difference in appearance between their sexes is pretty slim, but I’m thinking there might be some mane-less lions running around out there…

[quote comment=”387120″][quote comment=”387118″]Black is a darker shade of gray, so can we surmise the Cardinals are trying to look like a tough female cardinal?
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Makes me wonder, has any (male) team mistakenly used the female, uh, version of its namesake in its logo? Granted, the number of animals that have any major difference in appearance between their sexes is pretty slim, but I’m thinking there might be some mane-less lions running around out there…[/quote]

A female cardinal is almost olive green. Almost.
See them all the time around here.
Very pretty bird, actually, in a subdued sort of way: mostly all khaki-olive with a bit of black and that bright orange beak.

—Ricko

so…im outside for my noon smoke…and apparently the office building across the street felt a bit of spring fever and pulled the fire alarm…so, of course, the fire department sends 5 trucks to investigate

the garden city fire department trucks have always been RED AND WHITE (ya know…fire truck colors) but apparently … they got a new one

check it out: a BLACK FOR BLACK’S SAKE FIRE TRUCK

the lady i was on smoke break with, after she got over my initial “WTF!” without my actually saying what was wrong…goes, and i shit you not “when did they add black to the fire trucks?”

/she’s a mets fan, btw…so that comes natural

[quote comment=”387116″]The Taj Mahal of field charge videos comes from Game 6 of the 1977 World Series (the Reggie game).[/quote]

It was only a two-person field charging, but what about when Hank Aaron hit #715? The man had been getting death threats for months likely making it the most terrifying field charging incident.

[quote comment=”387116″]Long-time reader, first time poster…

“It’s funny how it used to be taken as a given that fans would storm the field on such occasions – when exactly did teams and cities start increasing the security presence to prevent this?”

My recollection, as someone references above, is that the 1986 Mets played a big part in this. I seem to recall that, after the Mets clinched the NL East, fans charged the field in mass and literally tore up the field in the process of doing so. I think the field had to be resodded after the game, and I seem to recall increases in security at Shea for the rest of the playoffs, and I haven’t seen too many, if any, since.

In basketball, there was one memorable “charging the court” after that date – at the end of Game 7 between the Lakers and Pistons in 1988. Was was particularly memorable was that the Lakers had either a two or three point lead (i.e., the game was definitely not over), and the Pistons were inbounding the ball from under their own basket with a second or two left. The crowd charged the court as the inbound pass was in the air, and the refs did nothing about it. Like the game at Shea two years earlier, this was the grande finale of NBA court charges, and I can’t recall any in the years since.

The Taj Mahal of field charge videos comes from Game 6 of the 1977 World Series (the Reggie game). The game comes up from time to time on ESPN Classic, and I recommend watching it for reasons other than Reggie’s homers:

– in the top of the 9th, Reggie (you know, the guy who just hit three straight homers on three straight pitches!) is pelted by batteries thrown BY HIS OWN FANS, and he goes to the dugout to retries a batting helmet to wear in the field;

– throughout the top of the 9th, fans in right field are sitting ON THE WALL, with their feet dangling over the fence;

– after the Yankees clinch, the camera focuses on Reggie desperately weaving through the crowd on the field to get to the dugout and safety; and

— my favorite: afetr a home run during the game, the guy other than Howard Cosell doing color (Don Drysdale?) described the pitch upon replay as being “thrown down the old poop chute.” I replayed that several times to make sure I heard it correctly. What I wouldn’t give for Joe Buck to start using that phrase for any grooved fastball.[/quote]

Good post. Welcome.

There was also the one when Chris Chambliss hit a game-winning homer and knocked over some fan on his way around the bases. Wasn’t that against KC to win the pennant?

It’s happening too much now in college sports now, and for games that don’t really call for such a spectacle:
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[quote comment=”387108″][quote comment=”387102″][quote comment=”387097″][quote comment=”387073″]Some days, I totally get the stirrup thing.

And some days, I look at pictures like the one of Roberto, and the office glam shots, and it feels like some bizarro spank material.[/quote]

then link[/quote]

Oh, I didn’t say I HATED it…

(creeping self out)

Haha.[/quote]
Variety’s the spice of life. I like a wide selection. Sometimes I’m in the mood for nasty close-ups, sometimes I like them arty and air-brushed. Sometimes it’s a ~~spread brown-eye~~ ribbon stirrup kind of night, sometimes it’s ~~girl-on-girl~~ white rups-on-dark sanis time. Sometimes a steamy letter will do it, sometimes — not often, but sometimes — I like the idea of a ~~chick with a horse~~ dude with dress shoes and stirrups.[/quote]

Nicely done.

[quote comment=”387122″]so…im outside for my noon smoke…and apparently the office building across the street felt a bit of spring fever and pulled the fire alarm…so, of course, the fire department sends 5 trucks to investigate

the garden city fire department trucks have always been RED AND WHITE (ya know…fire truck colors) but apparently … they got a new one

check it out: link

the lady i was on smoke break with, after she got over my initial “WTF!” without my actually saying what was wrong…goes, and i shit you not “when did they add black to the fire trucks?”

/she’s a mets fan, btw…so that comes natural[/quote]

Interesting concept. A stealth fire truck.
Apparently in New York there’s some advantage in sneaking up on a fire.

—Ricko

Not news and slightly off topic, but …

How cool is it that the three major pro teams in Pittsburgh all share the same basic colors? Is the NBA reserving the black and gold for a team in Pittsburgh? How lame would it be if they did get a basketball team and their colors were teal and silver?

Anyways, just a thought.

[quote comment=”387122″]check it out: link[/quote]

LMAO! Good one. Well, at least they look more like a fire truck than the ones where I live which look like link.

[quote comment=”387122″]so…im outside for my noon smoke…and apparently the office building across the street felt a bit of spring fever and pulled the fire alarm…so, of course, the fire department sends 5 trucks to investigate

the garden city fire department trucks have always been RED AND WHITE (ya know…fire truck colors) but apparently … they got a new one

check it out: link

the lady i was on smoke break with, after she got over my initial “WTF!” without my actually saying what was wrong…goes, and i shit you not “when did they add black to the fire trucks?”

/she’s a mets fan, btw…so that comes natural[/quote]

C’mon, Phil. Black has always been a part of most fire companies’ color schemes…

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[quote comment=”387113″]Cripes, that should not have been that hard. Here’s a good link to the Super Bowl V cover:

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[/quote]

As I understand it, the Super Bowl V program is the rarest of all 44 of them. Not sure if they were damaged in transit or short-printed.

At 100 pages, it is also the smallest of all of the SB progs.

[quote comment=”387121″]A female cardinal is almost olive green. Almost.
See them all the time around here.
Very pretty bird, actually, in a subdued sort of way: mostly all khaki-olive with a bit of black and that bright orange beak.[/quote]

Anyone want to photoshop those colors onto these female Cardinals?
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[quote comment=”387130″][quote comment=”387113″]Cripes, that should not have been that hard. Here’s a good link to the Super Bowl V cover:

link

[/quote]

As I understand it, the Super Bowl V program is the rarest of all 44 of them. Not sure if they were damaged in transit or short-printed.

At 100 pages, it is also the smallest of all of the SB progs.[/quote]

yeah, isn’t there something about the programs getting dumped out of the truck in the Everglades and alligators…. seriously, I think that happened.

[quote comment=”387128″][quote comment=”387122″]check it out: link[/quote]

LMAO! Good one. Well, at least they look more like a fire truck than the ones where I live which look like link.[/quote]

Highest degree of visibility. Hence the “Optic Yellow”…or whatever it was called.
Really common about 25-30 years ago. Haven’t seen it for a while. Many fire companies still use it?

—Ricko

[quote comment=”387123″][quote comment=”387116″]The Taj Mahal of field charge videos comes from Game 6 of the 1977 World Series (the Reggie game).[/quote]

It was only a two-person field charging, but what about when Hank Aaron hit #715? The man had been getting death threats for months likely making it the most terrifying field charging incident.[/quote]

Didn’t one of those two people rushing to greet Aaron on the field turn out to be, well, somebody? Not quite a major celebrity, but someone many of us would know of, even if vaguely? I seem to recall reading an article referencing one of these two guys somewhere down the road.

[quote comment=”387097″][quote comment=”387073″]Some days, I totally get the stirrup thing.

And some days, I look at pictures like the one of Roberto, and the office glam shots, and it feels like some bizarro spank material.[/quote]

then link[/quote]

I am SO BUMMED that I missed out on snatching up a pair of those Pirate stirrups…if there’s ever a reprint, I’m all over it. I’ve decided I’m gonna wear ‘stirrups to every 5 and 10k I run from now on.

Is it just me, or does baseball have more unwritten rules than any other sport? Hadn’t heard of this one before:
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[quote comment=”387104″][quote comment=”387100″][quote comment=”387083″](My apologies if this has been posted before and I missed it…)

I was fumbling through the covers in the SI Vault and found the 1970 Baseball Preview issue. Check out how they tried to change the Seattle Pilots cap into a Milwaukee Brewers cap (bottom left corner). Kegs and (scrambled) eggs!

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A bankruptcy judge awarded Selig’s group the Pilots on the evening of March 31, 1970. The Brewers opened the season at home against the Angels on April 7. Had to wreak havoc on SI’s production schedule.[/quote]

On that cover, see also a Navy blue White Sox with the new hat logo that hadn’t been seen until ’69, but on a royal hat. Note also that all the other hats known to be royal LOOK royal.

No one believes me that White Sox wore navy at least SOME of the ’70 season. Although, interestingly enough there WAS a throwback uni made up and worn in MLB that was gray with navy hats, letter and number borders, sleeves, etc. So someone else must see that way, too.

—Ricko[/quote]
The curly “W” of the Senators is interesting as well. I remember Paul posting about the correct/incorrect versions of it. Looks different than the “W” the Nats use, which is supposedly based on the Senators.

On the AZ Cardinals colors…before 1957, the Chicago Cardinals occasionally wore blue jerseys, usually when playing teams that also wore (shades of) red, namely the Giants and Redskins.

In 1964, the Cards added black stripes to the white jersey sleeves and their white pants. Then in 1970, they added black outlines to their jersey numbers on both jerseys and kept them on the white jerseys until they moved to the Valley of the Sun in 1988.

[quote comment=”387127″]Not news and slightly off topic, but …

How cool is it that the three major pro teams in Pittsburgh all share the same basic colors? Is the NBA reserving the black and gold for a team in Pittsburgh? How lame would it be if they did get a basketball team and their colors were teal and silver?

Anyways, just a thought.[/quote]

The Pittsburgh Pacers … actually has a nice ring to it!

[quote comment=”387136″]Is it just me, or does baseball have more unwritten rules than any other sport? Hadn’t heard of this one before:
link

No doubt there’s a website somewhere where somebody has taken the time to write out all the unwritten rules of the game … if that kind of thing is allowed, anyway …

[quote comment=”387127″]Not news and slightly off topic, but …

How cool is it that the three major pro teams in Pittsburgh all share the same basic colors? Is the NBA reserving the black and gold for a team in Pittsburgh? How lame would it be if they did get a basketball team and their colors were teal and silver?

Anyways, just a thought.[/quote]

Yeah, I’m surprised there isn’t a black & gold team in the NBA. I don’t think pro hoops would go over well in the ‘burgh, so some other team might as well use it.

The city’s fourth major sports team also sported black & gold a couple of decades ago:
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[quote comment=”387132″][quote comment=”387130″][quote comment=”387113″]Cripes, that should not have been that hard. Here’s a good link to the Super Bowl V cover:

link

[/quote]

As I understand it, the Super Bowl V program is the rarest of all 44 of them. Not sure if they were damaged in transit or short-printed.

At 100 pages, it is also the smallest of all of the SB progs.[/quote]

yeah, isn’t there something about the programs getting dumped out of the truck in the Everglades and alligators…. seriously, I think that happened.[/quote]

I think it was something strange like that. I have no idea of the print run for what it was back in the day. But I do know that starting with Super Bowl XI, the progs began to be mass produced, (i.e. availability outside the stadium such as mail order, retail, etc.) so from I to X, the print run was intended only for those who actually attended the game. And I think upwards of 75% of the SB V progs were lost/destroyed/eaten by gators. So thus the rarity of the V program.

I know…not uni related, sorry. but thought this is an interesting item…

[quote comment=”387110″][quote comment=”387067″]I’m so over the Red Sox that I usually skip over anything having to do with them…but boy am I glad I didn’t make that mistake with the Green Monster link. It’s a thing of beauty![/quote]

I agree. Gives me the urge to have the fence and skyline of PNC Park link painted on my wall.[/quote]

That’s gorgeous. Reminds me of this link

I’ve always been facinated by the concept of baseball fans charging the field. I grew up right around the time it was being stopped. I’m pretty sure there’s no definite time, nor a definite rule by the commish or what have you.

I remember the 1986 Mets story cited above. The NL East clincher tore up the field.

In 1983 I remember the White Sox clinching their division, and the cops merely protected the infield, letting the rowdy Comiskey fans have at it in the outfield.

However, I remember in 1983 some teams not allowing this at all.

It is actually something I want to take the time to document in full- just don’t have the time yet.

[quote comment=”387140″][quote comment=”387136″]Is it just me, or does baseball have more unwritten rules than any other sport? Hadn’t heard of this one before:
link

No doubt there’s a website somewhere where somebody has taken the time to write out all the unwritten rules of the game … if that kind of thing is allowed, anyway …[/quote]
Ask and you shall receive. I remember referring to this issue of Baseball Digest all the time as I grew up.
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There are also a few books on the subject:
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[quote comment=”387122″]so…im outside for my noon smoke…and apparently the office building across the street felt a bit of spring fever and pulled the fire alarm…so, of course, the fire department sends 5 trucks to investigate

the garden city fire department trucks have always been RED AND WHITE (ya know…fire truck colors) but apparently … they got a new one

check it out: link

the lady i was on smoke break with, after she got over my initial “WTF!” without my actually saying what was wrong…goes, and i shit you not “when did they add black to the fire trucks?”

/she’s a mets fan, btw…so that comes natural[/quote]
“when did they add black to the fire trucks?”

My guess would be 2003
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[quote comment=”387146″][quote comment=”387122″]so…im outside for my noon smoke…and apparently the office building across the street felt a bit of spring fever and pulled the fire alarm…so, of course, the fire department sends 5 trucks to investigate

the garden city fire department trucks have always been RED AND WHITE (ya know…fire truck colors) but apparently … they got a new one

check it out: link

the lady i was on smoke break with, after she got over my initial “WTF!” without my actually saying what was wrong…goes, and i shit you not “when did they add black to the fire trucks?”

/she’s a mets fan, btw…so that comes natural[/quote]
“when did they add black to the fire trucks?”

My guess would be 2003
link

Fire trucks should be red and only red. That WFWS stuff in 1985 was just a travesty. At least they have black accents (tires, DYK), so I’m OK with the current trend.

(yes, folks, even we in uniwatchland can’t take outselves seriously all the time)

outselves or ourselves … take your pick

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Morris Buttermaker siteing, Now, my week is Complete! Let the weekend begin!

The Detroit Lions posted Jahvid Best’s jersey for sale on their site before he was assigned a number. They had an interesting way of displaying it. Best wore #4 at Cal and seems to have now selected <A HREF="it“/>shirt #44 for the Lions.

Pre-number: link

With number: link

[quote comment=”387107″][quote comment=”387063″]looks like i will be making another stirrup order. :) Also, good to see I wasn’t the only one lookin gat the stirrups as items to be worn on hollidays. The Oaks can be both Christmas and St Patrick’s Day! Should I go Giant’s or O’s for Halloween…

I can see my wife rolling her eyes now…[/quote]

Get her a pair, too. She can wear them like Mrs. Koufax…[/quote]

I offered and she said no. If the “Mother’s Day” stirrups were not sold out, I would get those to surprise her. Never saw them offered till after tehy were sold out. :(

[quote comment=”387147″][quote comment=”387146″][quote comment=”387122″]so…im outside for my noon smoke…and apparently the office building across the street felt a bit of spring fever and pulled the fire alarm…so, of course, the fire department sends 5 trucks to investigate

the garden city fire department trucks have always been RED AND WHITE (ya know…fire truck colors) but apparently … they got a new one

check it out: link

the lady i was on smoke break with, after she got over my initial “WTF!” without my actually saying what was wrong…goes, and i shit you not “when did they add black to the fire trucks?”

/she’s a mets fan, btw…so that comes natural[/quote]
“when did they add black to the fire trucks?”

My guess would be 2003
link

Fire trucks should be red and only red. That WFWS stuff in 1985 was just a travesty. At least they have black accents (tires, DYK), so I’m OK with the current trend.

(yes, folks, even we in uniwatchland can’t take outselves seriously all the time)[/quote]
It seems you have a wide selection of colors when ordering fire trucks these days
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[quote comment=”387136″]Is it just me, or does baseball have more unwritten rules than any other sport? Hadn’t heard of this one before:
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Looks like you and A-Rod need to enroll in the “Kelly Gruber School of Baseball Etiquette”.

Don’t be surprised when MSU unveils their new brand identity that the old logo looks terrible with the new brand.

Michigan State fans panicked at the thought of a new logo without seeing it in the context of the new brand. There will be a lot of people who made a huge fuss who will now regret jumping the gun like a bunch of nancys.

Its going to look really good.

[quote comment=”387154″][quote comment=”387136″]Is it just me, or does baseball have more unwritten rules than any other sport? Hadn’t heard of this one before:
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Looks like you and A-Rod need to enroll in the “Kelly Gruber School of Baseball Etiquette”.[/quote]

Here’s another unwritten rule for A-roid to learn. You’re not supposed to yell “ball” or “I got it” or “mine” when the opposing team is attempting to field a fly ball.

You’re also not supposed to slap the ball out of a fielder’s glove, but that’s a written rule.

A-rod. Whattadoosh.

Just disbelief when I saw those Arizona Cardinals alts. The NFL now has the MLB equivalent of wrong primary bird colors, like the Blue Jays. From now on, I’m calling both teams “Crows”.

[quote comment=”387144″]I remember the 1986 Mets story cited above. The NL East clincher tore up the field.[/quote]
I kinda remember there being concerns about having to forfeit the game the next night b/c the field was so banged up.

Speaking of banged up, that was the condition of most of the Mets the next day, thus the lineup Davey Johnson had to roll out. Amazingly (no pun intended), they still won 5-0, beating Greg Maddux in his third career start.

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Drew Pearson, Michael Irvin…Dez Bryant.
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No pressure there…

[quote comment=”387061″]From the Habs’ “Spot a fake jersey” website FAQs:

Q: What’s the difference between an authentic and replica jersey from Reebok?

A: Authentic jerseys are made to the same specifications, and with the same materials, as those worn by Canadiens players on the ice. Reebok’s authentic jersey features (1) stretch fabric in the collar with PLAYDRYâ„¢ moisture management technology to maximize comfort, breathability and temperature control, (2) 4Way Stretch Mesh in areas including the underarms and back to provide additional range of motion and increased ventilation, (3) Reebok’s innovative BEAD AWAYâ„¢ water repellent technology, and (4) X-trafil incorporated into high-abrasion areas such as the shoulders and elbows to provide increased durability.

However, retailers only over the Edge 1.0 for sale. The players wear Edge 2.0. Version 2.0 replaces the “new tech” fabric with air mesh material.[/quote]

I also like the “authentics are durable, counterfeits are not” The authentics are so “durable” they were shredding in games when they were getting grabbed.

[quote comment=”387133″][quote comment=”387128″][quote comment=”387122″]check it out: link[/quote]

LMAO! Good one. Well, at least they look more like a fire truck than the ones where I live which look like link.[/quote]

Highest degree of visibility. Hence the “Optic Yellow”…or whatever it was called.
Really common about 25-30 years ago. Haven’t seen it for a while. Many fire companies still use it?

—Ricko[/quote]
That tennis ball color is pretty much the standard for link nowadays, isn’t it? I can’t remember the last time I saw an airport fire/emergency vehicle that wasn’t that color or at least something similar.

Why is the NHL shield on both the counterfeit and real jersey’s All star patch backwards?

“I’m still calling it City Hall”

link

[quote comment=”387159″]Drew Pearson, Michael Irvin…Dez Bryant.
link

No pressure there…[/quote]

Hey, I’m just glad to see a hotshot rookie receiver get/take a number in the 80s.

Enough with the “teens”, already. Even if a team were to have three retired numbers in the 80s, that still leaves seven numbers available for WRs and TEs. Why is that a problem? Why does that mean four of five WRs per team with numbers in the teens?

I know, I know… because they can, and they want to be special, to stand out…like all those OTHER guys wearing numbers in the teens.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”387164″][quote comment=”387159″]Drew Pearson, Michael Irvin…Dez Bryant.
link

No pressure there…[/quote]

Hey, I’m just glad to see a hotshot rookie receiver get/take a number in the 80s.

Enough with the “teens”, already. Even if a team were to have three retired numbers in the 80s, that still leaves seven numbers available for WRs and TEs. Why is that a problem? Why does that mean four of five WRs per team with numbers in the teens?

I know, I know… because they can, and they want to be special, to stand out…like all those OTHER guys wearing numbers in the teens.

—Ricko[/quote]

“We agree, numbers in the teens don’t look right on WR’s”
sincerely,
DeSean Jackson, Larry Fitzgerald, and Marques Colston

re:mother’s day
they were for someones wedding actually, i just got a couple extra pair, and they went quick, i should have gotten more.

re:pirates
an all time great look, but was not very popular here. seeing as i am out of so many, and that was an early selection in the scheme of things, maybe i will get this one again. and by the way rob, we occasionally get models in the building here for drawing sessions, we all chip in. maybe next time i will have her throw on the stirrups. i kid, that would be inappropriate.

re:wives
if your ol lady won’t throw on the revolutionia’s sectrets, i am very sorry for you.

re:jth/stirrups off the field
i have said it before and i’ll say it again, stirrup fridays are akin to ladies wearing fancy underros that nobody ever sees, so yes there is something of a dirty little secret element to it. let’s face it, what do guys do when they dress up? tie and jacket, women get all the “fun” so to speak, so this is sort of a response to that too.

re:83
thanks phil, it is nice to be reminded dat dem aO’s were not always a laughing stock. and shit, i should not be depressed, their start is better then in 88 after all. is it any wonder they played so horrible in a year with that number?!

stupid threatening landlord broke my concentration, i know i forgot something, but that will have to do for now. OH! black ain’t a cardinal colour, it’s an accent colour, their colours are cardinal and white.

[quote comment=”387099″]Seen all the comments on the Cardinals’ third jersey and eventhough I agree the black jersey is a bit much, the whole article on BFBS was essentially saying these teams have no black whatsoever (The Eagles and Mets were a perfect example). The cardinal’s face does have black on it and although I think the jerseys are just another marketing ploy, you can’t put the black on the same level as the other BFBS teams.[/quote]

…whoa. The whole thing, whether there was or was not black as an accent is beyond the point. The big issue is that they’re inventing an alternate to 1) boost jersey sales and 2)keep up with the misguided Jones’s of the NFL.

Personally, I feel that the alternate concept is symbolic with what is wrong with sports today: link, senselessly link, ‘look at me’ mentality. So many decent fans have already been turned off by the practices and it’s only time until the backlast whips the NFLs bottom line. There’s no sense of tradition or history anymore with these alternates. And even when they try to take cues from seasons past, they link link it up! I fear the day that the Vikes or Pack wear a yellow jersey. Yuck!

[quote comment=”387122″]so…im outside for my noon smoke…and apparently the office building across the street felt a bit of spring fever and pulled the fire alarm…so, of course, the fire department sends 5 trucks to investigate

the garden city fire department trucks have always been RED AND WHITE (ya know…fire truck colors) but apparently … they got a new one

check it out: link

the lady i was on smoke break with, after she got over my initial “WTF!” without my actually saying what was wrong…goes, and i shit you not “when did they add black to the fire trucks?”

/she’s a mets fan, btw…so that comes natural[/quote]

Pretty funny, Phil!

Cards unis look like the Terps

LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the Fenway wall!

When I first came to UniWatch, this is what I was expecting:

re:jth/stirrups off the field
i have said it before and i’ll say it again, stirrup fridays are akin to ladies wearing fancy underros that nobody ever sees, so yes there is something of a dirty little secret element to it. let’s face it, what do guys do when they dress up? tie and jacket, women get all the “fun” so to speak, so this is sort of a response to that too.

Ruh Roh!

[quote comment=”387127″]Not news and slightly off topic, but …

How cool is it that the three major pro teams in Pittsburgh all share the same basic colors?[/quote]

Wasn’t always that way. I actually am old enough to remember when the Penguins changed to align with the Pirates and Steelers.

[quote comment=”387169″]Personally, I feel that the alternate concept is symbolic with what is wrong with sports today: link, senselessly link, ‘look at me’ mentality. So many decent fans have already been turned off by the practices and it’s only time until the backlast whips the NFLs bottom line. [/quote]

I agree with your first point, but (sadly) disagree with your second. “Decent fans” (however you define that) don’t matter anymore. There aren’t enough of us. Our sports culture is overrun with people who don’t care about tradition or right and wrong or civility. Sadly, those people do spend money on this stuff. So their concerns are trumping ours.

/get off my lawn

(PS – You can read more rants like this in my forthcoming book, I Love America – It’s Americans I Can Do Without.)

[quote comment=”387138″]On the AZ Cardinals colors…before 1957, the Chicago Cardinals occasionally wore blue jerseys, usually when playing teams that also wore (shades of) red, namely the Giants and Redskins.

In 1964, the Cards added black stripes to the white jersey sleeves and their white pants. Then in 1970, they added black outlines to their jersey numbers on both jerseys and kept them on the white jerseys until they moved to the Valley of the Sun in 1988.[/quote]

They actually had the black outlines on the numerals of the white jersey (as well as on the pant stripe) all the way until 1996, when they went to the ‘throwback’ pants and the solid red numerals on the white jersey. :-) That’s also when they went to the blue and red striping on the white jersey and socks.

[quote comment=”387172″][quote comment=”387127″]Not news and slightly off topic, but …

How cool is it that the three major pro teams in Pittsburgh all share the same basic colors?[/quote]

Wasn’t always that way. I actually am old enough to remember when the Penguins changed to align with the Pirates and Steelers.[/quote]

and ricko’s old enough to remember when the pirates didn’t wear black and gold

kinda nice, that red and blue…but lets face it…black and gold IS pittsburgh

WVU rocking the gold pants……not sure how I feel about that…

[quote comment=”387167″][quote comment=”387164″][quote comment=”387159″]Drew Pearson, Michael Irvin…Dez Bryant.
link

No pressure there…[/quote]

Hey, I’m just glad to see a hotshot rookie receiver get/take a number in the 80s.

Enough with the “teens”, already. Even if a team were to have three retired numbers in the 80s, that still leaves seven numbers available for WRs and TEs. Why is that a problem? Why does that mean four of five WRs per team with numbers in the teens?

I know, I know… because they can, and they want to be special, to stand out…like all those OTHER guys wearing numbers in the teens.

—Ricko[/quote]

“We agree, numbers in the teens don’t look right on WR’s”
sincerely,
DeSean Jackson, Larry Fitzgerald, and Marques Colston[/quote]

…and the couple dozen (or more) other WRs who wear numbers in the teens so they can all look different and stand out. At the same time. Together.

And I NEVER would say I donn’t like WRs with numbers in the teens. Jeez, grew up watching Alworth and Maynard, for example.

Just that when the unique becomes so “cool” it’s universal, it isn’t unique, and probably not “cool”, anymore.

What about that concept is so hard to grasp?

—Ricko

[quote comment=”387163″]”I’m still calling it City Hall”

link[/quote]

So for, like, eight bucks maybe, someone could sponsor the “George Michael Public Mens’ Restroom”?

—Ricko

[quote comment=”387051″]link — looks like the gestapo was present there too[/quote]

Is that Sr. Smoke??

[quote comment=”387068″][quote comment=”387062″]Oh, please. Black is NOT a Cards team color, even if it’s listed as such. By point of comparison, let’s look at the 49ers helmet:
link

There’s a teeny bit of black trim. So if they went to a black alt jersey, you’d say, “That’s fine, it’s one of their team colors”? Of course not.[/quote]

even their Wiki page has been updated with the BFBS alt… link

and apparently black is now one of the oficial team colors…[/quote]

I wonder if this latest incorporation of black as a team color has anything to do with the need to ‘impress all recruits’ (I mean free agents)????

If i have a ‘rolls eye’ emoticon I’d firmly plant right here. Arizona Cardinals, truly a franchise on the cutting edge— only 15 yrs. too late on the BFBS trend.

silly and superficial.

[quote comment=”387069″]Re: Havlicek and painting with a basketball. I recall seeing Bill Russell doing the same thing in a commercial for a charity back in the ’70s. The art was then sold to benefit the charity.

The commercial featured other people doing similar art that was based on their field. Does anyone else remember this?[/quote]

My memory is a bit fuzzy on this, but I think this was a promotion in the summer of 1984 (prior to the L.A. Olympic games) where posters of these “works of art” were sold at Burger King, and the proceeds from the sale of those posters went to the U. S. Olympic program.

I definitely recall Bill Russell in one of the commercials, and also a hockey player (can’t remember who it was, Bobby Orr, perhaps?). Each poster was signed by Russell, Havlicek, et al.

[quote comment=”387175″]…but lets face it…black and gold IS pittsburgh[/quote]

To quote Andrew Dice Clay, “How do you think she got to be that way?”

The nike pro-combat uniforms will be immortalized with this cover!

link

PS- they never wore the orange helmet with those jerseys! clearly its a fake!!

[quote comment=”387176″]WVU rocking the gold pants……not sure link…[/quote]

Thumbs down on the pants, the WV logo is gorgeous though.

[quote comment=”387129″][quote comment=”387122″]so…im outside for my noon smoke…and apparently the office building across the street felt a bit of spring fever and pulled the fire alarm…so, of course, the fire department sends 5 trucks to investigate

the garden city fire department trucks have always been RED AND WHITE (ya know…fire truck colors) but apparently … they got a new one

check it out: link

the lady i was on smoke break with, after she got over my initial “WTF!” without my actually saying what was wrong…goes, and i shit you not “when did they add black to the fire trucks?”

/she’s a mets fan, btw…so that comes natural[/quote]

C’mon, Phil. Black has always been a part of most fire companies’ color schemes…

link
No Way!!!! that black is just an Accent color.

fianlly! thank you A.H. for breaking the seal on the bnb and 10Â¢ers. i thought i knew the revolutionary community, i guess i dunt. i thought the buttermakers would break records, but early returns say otherwise.

powers:
just be happy i backspaced over the 3 pound hamburger story, and didn’t include a more detailed version of the fact that the basketball league i ref this upcoming monday has a porn star team. yeah, that’s right, and they all wear short shorts too, it’s horrifying. it’s just another calendar day really, but it is all too perfect that i drew this league on monday off all days, the corn mother hates me.

[quote comment=”387185″][quote comment=”387129″][quote comment=”387122″]so…im outside for my noon smoke…and apparently the office building across the street felt a bit of spring fever and pulled the fire alarm…so, of course, the fire department sends 5 trucks to investigate

the garden city fire department trucks have always been RED AND WHITE (ya know…fire truck colors) but apparently … they got a new one

check it out: link

the lady i was on smoke break with, after she got over my initial “WTF!” without my actually saying what was wrong…goes, and i shit you not “when did they add black to the fire trucks?”

/she’s a mets fan, btw…so that comes natural[/quote]

C’mon, Phil. Black has always been a part of most fire companies’ color schemes…

link
No Way!!!! that black is just an Accent color.[/quote]

Accent. Personally I like white over red, but black accents (See Chicago FD) is just one of many rainbow colors fire apparatus use all over the country.

[quote comment=”387163″]”I’m still calling it City Hall”

link[/quote]
George Latimer…. doooooshbag.

[quote comment=”387118″]Black is a darker shade of gray, so can we surmise the Cardinals are trying to look like a tough female cardinal?
link
link

Female cardinals are mostly olive green, though there might a bit of gray-green in them, as well, depending on the light.

[quote comment=”387171″]When I first came to UniWatch, this is what I was expecting:

re:jth/stirrups off the field
i have said it before and i’ll say it again, stirrup fridays are akin to ladies wearing fancy underros that nobody ever sees, so yes there is something of a dirty little secret element to it. let’s face it, what do guys do when they dress up? tie and jacket, women get all the “fun” so to speak, so this is sort of a response to that too.

Ruh Roh![/quote]
Yet,you went on hiatus when Phil started quoting Beavis and Butthead????? I’m scratching my noodle.

Another first time poster…

[quote comment=”387111″][quote comment=”387070″]I know we have covered this in the past, but I just couldn’t stay quiet…man are those Pirates’ 7’s brutal!

link

Yeah, they look like incomplete 2s.

Just go back to this font, Pirates:
link

I’ve always been partial to that shade of gold the Pirates used. Reminds me of my alma mater’s old road hoops unis: link I wish they’d bring those back!

here’s the only pic I could find so far from Michigan State- not a good sign
link

[quote comment=”387103″][quote comment=”387099″]Seen all the comments on the Cardinals’ third jersey and eventhough I agree the black jersey is a bit much, the whole article on BFBS was essentially saying these teams have no black whatsoever (The Eagles and Mets were a perfect example). The cardinal’s face does have black on it and although I think the jerseys are just another marketing ploy, you can’t put the black on the same level as the other BFBS teams.[/quote]

Exactly. And you’re right. This is more what I called “Malignant BTA.” That’s when long time use of, or the recent addition of, Black Trim Accents is seen as justification for adding a black garment, sometimes (but not in the Cardinals case) even to changing team colors to “make it official.”
(cough-cough, “Mets”)

—Ricko[/quote]

The Cardinals have been wearing three colors in their uniforms since 2004, red, white, and black. So to say that black is not one of their official colors, I think, is inaccurate. That’s not to say though that they should have come out with a black uniform of course.

Ultimately, it doesn’t really matter, because teams feel like they can trot out black alts regardless of what their team color scheme is.

I think we can all agree though that this is another classic example of BFBS. No reason for a team named after a red bird to have a black uniform.

Why are teams deciding to wear uniforms that are essentially only black and white (I’m thinking particularly of the Jags, Ravens, and now the Cardinals)? So damn boring. Lets get a little color in there.

The folks at Nike are such Stupid Fucking Assholes

link

They looked great before, now they look like shit. The faces on the B-Ball players sum it up.

here’s the only pic I could find so far from Michigan State- not a good sign
link…

Going to the darker shade of green is good. A couple of those football jerseys (the ones with the contrasting-color sleeves)…not so much.

[quote comment=”387122″]
check it out: link
[/quote]
Hmmm. First thing I thought of when I saw that pic was was link.

RE: The STL Cardinals red cap/Red Schoendienst pic…

I had just posted over at Chris Creamer’s board a pic of Ken Boyer from the ’64 ASG with that same “inverted” STL on his helmet. Still don’t know if it was a one-year thing or what exactly. It’s quite serendipitous to see the same query appear over here, too. :-)

Ian

[quote comment=”387196″][quote comment=”387122″]
check it out: link
[/quote]
Hmmm. First thing I thought of when I saw that pic was was link.[/quote]
OOPs–link.

link;

official msu photos from the press release. giant logo the hockey sweater looks awful.

[quote comment=”387184″][quote comment=”387176″]WVU rocking the gold pants……not sure link…[/quote]

Thumbs down on the pants, the WV logo is gorgeous though.[/quote]

was there any reason to rock the softball tops with the gold pants? is there an actual gold top which is supposed to be paired with them?

that softball top combo sucks (just as it would with white or gray pants), but i’d like to see an actual UNIFORM (and those really need navy stirrups badly) before i’ll declare the gold pants a fail

anyone know if the full uni exists, and not the mix and match?

New MSU uniforms… they have b-ball and hockey too.

link

They’re not bad, but I prefer the simple “State” graphics to the “Spartans”… it kind of gives us a link back to Magic and Mateen.

Whoops… Here’s the one that has hockey:

link

[quote comment=”387202″]Whoops… Here’s the one that has hockey:

link

LOL

“Congratulations, Everyone: Those $9.99 Jerseys You Bought at Steve And Barry’s 5 Years Ago Now Look More Authentic Than You Ever Could Have Imagined”

That is exactly what I first thought

“I think we can all agree though that this is another classic example of BFBS. No reason for a team named after a red bird to have a black uniform.”

So the Grizzlies should only wear brown? Cubs/Ravens/Panthers should only wear black? 49ers should only wear denim pants and red plaid shirts (and look like US Olypmic snowboarders)?

[quote comment=”387198″][quote comment=”387196″][quote comment=”387122″]
check it out: link
[/quote]
Hmmm. First thing I thought of when I saw that pic was was link.[/quote]
OOPs–link.[/quote]
Funny. When I looked at Phil’s pic, first thing I thought was “what the hell are you talking about? Isn’t that how link, er, link are link?

[quote comment=”387200″][quote comment=”387184″][quote comment=”387176″]WVU rocking the gold pants……not sure link…[/quote]

Thumbs down on the pants, the WV logo is gorgeous though.[/quote]

was there any reason to rock the softball tops with the gold pants? is there an actual gold top which is supposed to be paired with them?

that softball top combo sucks (just as it would with white or gray pants), but i’d like to see an actual UNIFORM (and those really need navy stirrups badly) before i’ll declare the gold pants a fail

anyone know if the full uni exists, and not the mix and match?[/quote]

Gold ond gold does exist….as does a pinstripe mix and match with the softball uni.

link

Michigan State has now introduced us to “Gold for gold sake”

mich state jerseys is that a new thing the for no reason dagger or slash into the numbers kinda lionesque wow.. overall lose the slash into the number and what looks like reflective silver also cant tell if the shoulder are straight across or what. over grade cause its mich state put it in terms they understand old school elementry check minus….

[quote comment=”387194″]The folks at Nike are such Stupid Fucking Assholes

link

They looked great before, now they look like shit. The faces on the B-Ball players sum it up.[/quote]

Interesting. For all the years of Spartans football wearing kelly green (from before Bubba Smith, on through Kurt Gibson and the George Perles years), MSU colors—at least as officially stated now—are alot more like forest than kelly.
link

pms 341…
link

—Ricko

[quote comment=”387163″]”I’m still calling it City Hall”

link[/quote]

So for, like, eight bucks maybe, a person could sponsor the “George Michael Mens’ Public Restroom”?

—Ricko

[quote comment=”387206″][quote comment=”387200″][quote comment=”387184″][quote comment=”387176″]WVU rocking the gold pants……not sure link…[/quote]

Thumbs down on the pants, the WV logo is gorgeous though.[/quote]

was there any reason to rock the softball tops with the gold pants? is there an actual gold top which is supposed to be paired with them?

that softball top combo sucks (just as it would with white or gray pants), but i’d like to see an actual UNIFORM (and those really need navy stirrups badly) before i’ll declare the gold pants a fail

anyone know if the full uni exists, and not the mix and match?[/quote]

Gold ond gold does exist….as does a pinstripe mix and match with the softball uni.

link

well alright then…

i think i like the all gold…still needs blue (or even blue with gold stripes) rups tho

[quote comment=”387204″]”I think we can all agree though that this is another classic example of BFBS. No reason for a team named after a red bird to have a black uniform.”

So the Grizzlies should only wear brown? Cubs/Ravens/Panthers should only wear black? 49ers should only wear denim pants and red plaid shirts (and look like US Olypmic snowboarders)?[/quote]

Absolutely agree, JimWa, but with a disclaimer: Might be just a tad different when the actual color of the critter is in its name. Or a specific color is in the name.

“Panthers” could go just about anywhere in the spectrum, I suppose. But at team called “Black Panthers” probably would kind of be expected to lead with black, always. Or “Purple Paladins” with purple. And, yes, “Blue Jays” with blue. Or the “Green Wave” with green.

Which is why the Browns orange jerseys (even though the team was named after its coach) go on the “Um…no” list.

You’d think, anyway.

—Ricko

and the Michigan State nike hockey jerseys continue that horrible Nike cookie cutter olympic trend of the ‘C’ half overlapping the yoke, and the football-esque shoulder numbers instead of sleeve numbers.
and that’s me ignoring the fact that their hockey uniforms reek of BFSB (not a school color!)

[quote comment=”387211″][quote comment=”387206″][quote comment=”387200″][quote comment=”387184″][quote comment=”387176″]WVU rocking the gold pants……not sure link…[/quote]

Thumbs down on the pants, the WV logo is gorgeous though.[/quote]

was there any reason to rock the softball tops with the gold pants? is there an actual gold top which is supposed to be paired with them?

that softball top combo sucks (just as it would with white or gray pants), but i’d like to see an actual UNIFORM (and those really need navy stirrups badly) before i’ll declare the gold pants a fail

anyone know if the full uni exists, and not the mix and match?[/quote]

Gold ond gold does exist….as does a pinstripe mix and match with the softball uni.

link

well alright then…

i think i link…still needs blue (or even blue with gold stripes) rups tho[/quote]

Vegas Gold is West Virginia’s gold?
Oh, well, I suppose is like UCLA football and baseball, except flip-flopped.

—Ricko

On those counterfeit Habs jerseys (well actually on the real ones)…The reason the shield is backwards is because it is French. League d’hockey National. LHN.

Wow. My extremely unscientific image search of the vehicles for about 40 random cities’ fire departments shows that Chicago is the only one that uses red and black ones except link.

[quote comment=”387214″][quote comment=”387211″][quote comment=”387206″][quote comment=”387200″][quote comment=”387184″][quote comment=”387176″]WVU rocking the gold pants……not sure link…[/quote]

Thumbs down on the pants, the WV logo is gorgeous though.[/quote]

was there any reason to rock the softball tops with the gold pants? is there an actual gold top which is supposed to be paired with them?

that softball top combo sucks (just as it would with white or gray pants), but i’d like to see an actual UNIFORM (and those really need navy stirrups badly) before i’ll declare the gold pants a fail

anyone know if the full uni exists, and not the mix and match?[/quote]

Gold ond gold does exist….as does a pinstripe mix and match with the softball uni.

link

well alright then…

i think i link…still needs blue (or even blue with gold stripes) rups tho[/quote]

Vegas Gold is West Virginia’s gold?
Oh, well, I suppose is like UCLA football and baseball, except flip-flopped.

—Ricko[/quote]

WVU’s “official” colors are “old gold and blue”:

link

They’ve obviously gotten away from that over the years.

[quote comment=”387213″]and the Michigan State nike hockey jerseys continue that horrible Nike cookie cutter olympic trend of the ‘C’ half overlapping the yoke, and the football-esque shoulder numbers instead of sleeve numbers.
and that’s me ignoring the fact that their hockey uniforms reek of BFSB (not a school color!)[/quote]
I’m pretty pissed that they have to get rid of the script “Michigan State.” I mean, they worse that in the 70s. So did Mr. Olympic Hockey himself:

link

[quote comment=”387216″]Wow. My extremely unscientific image search of the vehicles for about 40 random cities’ fire departments shows that Chicago is the only one that uses red and black ones except link.[/quote]

Shaumburg FD
link

i love the black hats on the red fire truck uni personally. still, hats off phil, that was pretty funny.

Black fire truck that should be black:

link

That Montreal page about fake uniforms is brilliant. Here is my BFBS contribution. Hit the wayback machine boys: link

[quote comment=”387195″]Going to the darker shade of green is good. A couple of those football jerseys (the ones with the contrasting-color sleeves)…not so much.[/quote]

I’m the opposite – I like the contrasting sleeves. I don’t like the university changing traditional school colors to jump on the “dark is good, bright is bad” bandwagon.

Equally offensive is that we have yet another font so jagged you could prick your finger on it.

Add it all up, and I wouldn’t wear that.

It may be somewhat self-explanatory, but I would love a DIY write up on the Green Monster wall project. I’m not a Red Sox fan, but that ticker link and yesterday’s ticker item about the Ebbets Field wall may just inspire me!

[quote comment=”387218″][quote comment=”387213″]and the Michigan State nike hockey jerseys continue that horrible Nike cookie cutter olympic trend of the ‘C’ half overlapping the yoke, and the football-esque shoulder numbers instead of sleeve numbers.
and that’s me ignoring the fact that their hockey uniforms reek of BFSB (not a school color!)[/quote]
I’m pretty pissed that they have to get rid of the script “Michigan State.” I mean, they worse that in the 70s. So did Mr. Olympic Hockey himself:

link

Yeah I have only faint memories of them wearing a block S crest at some point in their history since I’ve been following hockey. I gotta say I’m glad U-Mich switched to adidas. Dazzle fabric aside, adidas has done a great job with U-M’s hockey sweaters, even the replicas went up in quality compared to what nike’s were.

Black has been listed as an official Cardinals color since the mid-’60s – the official team colors were listed as “Cardinal Red, Black and White” by NFL marketing types even during the 1996 through 2004 seasons, where the only Black was found in the logo and on the numerals on the backs of the helmets.

Now that there is Black trim on both the Red and White jerseys, it has been even more of an integral part of the color scheme.

And – direct from my site – here’s the official color palette:

link

[quote comment=”387219″][quote comment=”387216″]Wow. My extremely unscientific image search of the vehicles for about 40 random cities’ fire departments shows that Chicago is the only one that uses red and black ones except link.[/quote]

Shaumburg FD
link

That’s Chicago burbs. I say it doesn’t count. (maybe a retired CFD unit?)

[quote comment=”387221″]Black fire truck that should be black:

link

That’s right, kids! Hard liquor and fire safety DO mix!!! (notice the strollers in the picture – is that an elementary school?)

I hate MSU, but I always thought having State on their hoops jerseys was so unique and greet looking. Even adding a hint of grey/silver to green and white was sharp. But…this redesign is so awful and unneeded. Who makes these decisions to ruin a modern classic and popular look? Miami is The U, Ohio State is The Ohio State, Connecticut is UConn, and MSU is State. Any others you guys can think of? UMass!

No one commented on the Mets’ “crucial series” in 1964. It may not have been crucial for them, but it sure was crucial for their opponent. On that October 3 they beat the Cardinals for the second straight time, and had they beaten them again the next day in the season finale it would have set up a three-way tie for the NL pennant.

[quote comment=”387229″]I hate MSU, but I always thought having State on their hoops jerseys was so unique and greet looking. Even adding a hint of grey/silver to green and white was sharp. But…this redesign is so awful and unneeded. Who makes these decisions to ruin a modern classic and popular look? Miami is The U, Ohio State is The Ohio State, Connecticut is UConn, and MSU is State. Any others you guys can think of? UMass![/quote]
cal? penn? does that count?

[quote comment=”387231″][quote comment=”387229″]I hate MSU, but I always thought having State on their hoops jerseys was so unique and greet looking. Even adding a hint of grey/silver to green and white was sharp. But…this redesign is so awful and unneeded. Who makes these decisions to ruin a modern classic and popular look? Miami is The U, Ohio State is The Ohio State, Connecticut is UConn, and MSU is State. Any others you guys can think of? UMass![/quote]
cal? penn? does that count?[/quote]
Does POenn have Penn on their jerseys? Hmmmm. PS: Skokie has red fire engines, truck, etc. link

[quote comment=”387232″][quote comment=”387231″][quote comment=”387229″]I hate MSU, but I always thought having State on their hoops jerseys was so unique and greet looking. Even adding a hint of grey/silver to green and white was sharp. But…this redesign is so awful and unneeded. Who makes these decisions to ruin a modern classic and popular look? Miami is The U, Ohio State is The Ohio State, Connecticut is UConn, and MSU is State. Any others you guys can think of? UMass![/quote]
cal? penn? does that count?[/quote]
Does POenn have Penn on their jerseys? Hmmmm. PS: Skokie has red fire engines, truck, etc. link

i think in basketball it says penn. but i just thought you meant what they are known as, like Tosu does not have the on any uni.

the only decent things in skokie are the pita inn, and sportsman’s park.

Pita inn i[quote comment=”387233″][quote comment=”387232″][quote comment=”387231″][quote comment=”387229″]I hate MSU, but I always thought having State on their hoops jerseys was so unique and greet looking. Even adding a hint of grey/silver to green and white was sharp. But…this redesign is so awful and unneeded. Who makes these decisions to ruin a modern classic and popular look? Miami is The U, Ohio State is The Ohio State, Connecticut is UConn, and MSU is State. Any others you guys can think of? UMass![/quote]
cal? penn? does that count?[/quote]
Does POenn have Penn on their jerseys? Hmmmm. PS: Skokie has red fire engines, truck, etc. link

i think in basketball it says penn. but i just thought you meant what they are known as, like Tosu does not have the on any uni.

the only decent things in skokie are the pita inn, and sportsman’s park.[/quote]
Pita Inn is a classic. So is my softball bat, which I have found for sale after it got discontinued 8 years ago: link

[quote comment=”387234″]Pita inn i[quote comment=”387233″][quote comment=”387232″][quote comment=”387231″][quote comment=”387229″]I hate MSU, but I always thought having State on their hoops jerseys was so unique and greet looking. Even adding a hint of grey/silver to green and white was sharp. But…this redesign is so awful and unneeded. Who makes these decisions to ruin a modern classic and popular look? Miami is The U, Ohio State is The Ohio State, Connecticut is UConn, and MSU is State. Any others you guys can think of? UMass![/quote]
cal? penn? does that count?[/quote]
Does POenn have Penn on their jerseys? Hmmmm. PS: Skokie has red fire engines, truck, etc. link

i think in basketball it says penn. but i just thought you meant what they are known as, like Tosu does not have the on any uni.

the only decent things in skokie are the pita inn, and sportsman’s park.[/quote]
Pita Inn is a classic. So is my softball bat, which I have found for sale after it got discontinued 8 years ago: link
i might have to snatch that thing up. the lumber you wield for 16in. is impressive to say the least.

[quote comment=”387217″][quote comment=”387214″][quote comment=”387211″][quote comment=”387206″][quote comment=”387200″][quote comment=”387184″][quote comment=”387176″]WVU rocking the gold pants……not sure link…[/quote]

Thumbs down on the pants, the WV logo is gorgeous though.[/quote]

was there any reason to rock the softball tops with the gold pants? is there an actual gold top which is supposed to be paired with them?

that softball top combo sucks (just as it would with white or gray pants), but i’d like to see an actual UNIFORM (and those really need navy stirrups badly) before i’ll declare the gold pants a fail

anyone know if the full uni exists, and not the mix and match?[/quote]

Gold ond gold does exist….as does a pinstripe mix and match with the softball uni.

link

well alright then…

i think i link…still needs blue (or even blue with gold stripes) rups tho[/quote]

Vegas Gold is West Virginia’s gold?
Oh, well, I suppose is like UCLA football and baseball, except flip-flopped.

—Ricko[/quote]

WVU’s “official” colors are “old gold and blue”:

link

They’ve obviously gotten away from that over the years.[/quote]

My question is, why is WVU wearing Pitt’s blue and gold? I would feel like ‘eers fans would be up in arms about that. I guess the rivalry isn’t big in baseball but it still feels weird to see my school’s biggest rival wearing our colors.

– soon to be alumnus Jon

[quote comment=”387236″]
My question is, why is WVU wearing Pitt’s blue and gold? I would feel like ‘eers fans would be up in arms about that. I guess the rivalry isn’t big in baseball but it still feels weird to see my school’s biggest rival wearing our colors.

– soon to be alumnus Jon[/quote]

what aboot the football squad…should they really be wearing the cal bears colors?

Gotta have one of those stripped under shirts.

[quote comment=”387231″][quote comment=”387229″]I hate MSU, but I always thought having State on their hoops jerseys was so unique and greet looking. Even adding a hint of grey/silver to green and white was sharp. But…this redesign is so awful and unneeded. Who makes these decisions to ruin a modern classic and popular look? Miami is The U, Ohio State is The Ohio State, Connecticut is UConn, and MSU is State. Any others you guys can think of? UMass![/quote]
cal? penn? does that count?[/quote]

‘Nova, Ole Miss, Mizzou.

[quote comment=”387229″]Ohio State is The Ohio State[/quote]

Or for those who aren’t fans, “An Ohio state university.” ;)

[quote comment=”387239″][quote comment=”387231″][quote comment=”387229″]I hate MSU, but I always thought having State on their hoops jerseys was so unique and greet looking. Even adding a hint of grey/silver to green and white was sharp. But…this redesign is so awful and unneeded. Who makes these decisions to ruin a modern classic and popular look? Miami is The U, Ohio State is The Ohio State, Connecticut is UConn, and MSU is State. Any others you guys can think of? UMass![/quote]
cal? penn? does that count?[/quote]

‘Nova, Ole Miss, Mizzou.[/quote]
I like this game…

UTEP, too. Not said, U-T-E-P, like UCLA or UNLV.

Already knew about the Pinstripe Bowl, but not the Dallas Football “Classic.”
link

Now up to 35 bowls…and there were almost 37. We’re a step closer to “Everybody gets to go to a bowl!” Whoo hoo.

They should call these 7th-place vs. 6th-place bowls the BFS (Bottom Feeder Series).

[quote comment=”387242″]Already knew about the Pinstripe Bowl, but not the Dallas Football “Classic.”
link

Now up to 35 bowls…and there were almost 37. We’re a step closer to “Everybody gets to go to a bowl!” Whoo hoo.

They should call these 7th-place vs. 6th-place bowls the BFS (Bottom Feeder Series).[/quote]

Hope you like Big Ten football on New Year’s Day. They have 5 games on Jan. 1

Who dat thought this whole mess was resolved?
link

Some of the jersey examples I was talking about: UMass link
UConn: link
Michigan State: link
Mississippi: link
California: link
Miami: link

vandy, a&m, wasu

[quote comment=”387215″]On those counterfeit Habs jerseys (well actually on the real ones)…The reason the shield is backwards is because it is French. League d’hockey National. LHN.[/quote]
Adjective comes before the noun in French. It’s correctly “Ligue Nationale de Hockey”, or LNH.

On the uni-watching front, Red Sox doing the red home alt tonight, but with the standard “B” cap and not the “hanging sox” alt cap. I think I like this look better, IMO.

[quote comment=”387242″]Already knew about the Pinstripe Bowl, but not the Dallas Football “Classic.”
link

Now up to 35 bowls…and there were almost 37. We’re a step closer to “Everybody gets to go to a bowl!” Whoo hoo.

They should call these 7th-place vs. 6th-place bowls the BFS (Bottom Feeder Series).[/quote]

i would rather there be less, but so what if everybody makes a bowl? who does it hurt? nobody is making us watch, and we all know what the important ones are.

[quote comment=”387245″]Some of the jersey examples I was talking about: UMass link
UConn: link
Michigan State: link
Mississippi: link
California: link
Miami: link

Missouri: link

[quote comment=”387248″][quote comment=”387242″]Already knew about the Pinstripe Bowl, but not the Dallas Football “Classic.”
link

Now up to 35 bowls…and there were almost 37. We’re a step closer to “Everybody gets to go to a bowl!” Whoo hoo.

They should call these 7th-place vs. 6th-place bowls the BFS (Bottom Feeder Series).[/quote]

i would rather there be less, but so what if everybody makes a bowl? who does it hurt? nobody is making us watch, and we all know what the important ones are.[/quote]

It’s like wearing stirrups on your forearms as well as your legs. It’s overkill and it cheapens the original intent.

I think there’s a way to compromise on this. Let everyone play a bowl game, but if you lose a bottom feeder bowl you get relegated to 1-AA. Teams who make the 1-AA playoffs get promoted to the FBS. I haven’t worked out all the logistics, as I just thought of it. I’m sure it could be done, but it’s laundry night so someone else will have to work on the details.

[quote comment=”387241″][quote comment=”387239″][quote comment=”387231″][quote comment=”387229″]I hate MSU, but I always thought having State on their hoops jerseys was so unique and greet looking. Even adding a hint of grey/silver to green and white was sharp. But…this redesign is so awful and unneeded. Who makes these decisions to ruin a modern classic and popular look? Miami is The U, Ohio State is The Ohio State, Connecticut is UConn, and MSU is State. Any others you guys can think of? UMass![/quote]
cal? penn? does that count?[/quote]

‘Nova, Ole Miss, Mizzou.[/quote]
I like this game…

UTEP, too. Not said, U-T-E-P, like UCLA or UNLV.[/quote]

But when it’s spelled “Ucla”, I do pronounce it “Yoo-kla”.

PS: Does having “ikea” as the anti-spam word count as corporate douchebaggery?

[quote comment=”387242″]Already knew about the Pinstripe Bowl, but not the Dallas Football “Classic.”
link

Now up to 35 bowls…and there were almost 37. We’re a step closer to “Everybody gets to go to a bowl!” Whoo hoo.

They should call these 7th-place vs. 6th-place bowls the BFS (Bottom Feeder Series).[/quote]

so what’s the solution jim?

playoffs?

/yeah…like you didn’t know THAT was comin’

[quote comment=”387252″][quote comment=”387242″]Already knew about the Pinstripe Bowl, but not the Dallas Football “Classic.”
link

Now up to 35 bowls…and there were almost 37. We’re a step closer to “Everybody gets to go to a bowl!” Whoo hoo.

They should call these 7th-place vs. 6th-place bowls the BFS (Bottom Feeder Series).[/quote]

so what’s the solution jim?

link

/yeah…like you didn’t know THAT was comin'[/quote]

jim’s solution is an amusing one. but my point jim is it doesn’t cheapen anything, nobody really cares about the lower bowls but the people who went to the schools playing, and college football junkies like myself(and even i don’t watch any of those december ones, no espn). does anybody really think that the rose bowl and emerald bowl are the same? who would argue that? they are both called bowls, but they are world’s apart. if anything, it helps crap teams get better because you are allowed the extra practice time.

[quote comment=”387179″][quote comment=”387051″]link — looks like the gestapo was present there too[/quote]

Is that Sr. Smoke??[/quote]
Nope, Willie Hernandez

MSU

+1 for the contrasting sleeves. I like it.
-1 for getting rid of ‘State’
-2 for that jagged Spartans typeface. Reminds me of the hideous redesign of my link link.

That’s a net loss for State.

[quote comment=”387250″][quote comment=”387248″][quote comment=”387242″]Already knew about the Pinstripe Bowl, but not the Dallas Football “Classic.”
link

Now up to 35 bowls…and there were almost 37. We’re a step closer to “Everybody gets to go to a bowl!” Whoo hoo.

They should call these 7th-place vs. 6th-place bowls the BFS (Bottom Feeder Series).[/quote]

i would rather there be less, but so what if everybody makes a bowl? who does it hurt? nobody is making us watch, and we all know what the important ones are.[/quote]

It’s like wearing stirrups on your forearms as well as your legs. It’s overkill and it cheapens the original intent.

I think there’s a way to compromise on this. Let everyone play a bowl game, but if you lose a bottom feeder bowl you get relegated to 1-AA. Teams who make the 1-AA playoffs get promoted to the FBS. I haven’t worked out all the logistics, as I just thought of it. I’m sure it could be done, but it’s laundry night so someone else will have to work on the details.[/quote]

Does the NIT cheapen the original intent of the Big Dance? Not talking pure numbers now, but isn’t the NIT sort of the same thing as the minor bowls…as in “Who gives a shit overall, but it’s good for the teams playing so where’s the harm?”

I’d rather know there’s a minor bowl game I have the option of watching on a weekday night in December than be stuck with more Texas Hold ‘Em, a World’s Strongest Man rerun or a cheerleading competition that actually took place three weeks ago.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”387097″][quote comment=”387073″]Some days, I totally get the stirrup thing.

And some days, I look at pictures like the one of Roberto, and the office glam shots, and it feels like some bizarro spank material.[/quote]

then link[/quote]

I’d love to take part, but I’m still awaiting shipment from New Mexico. LOL

One thing I like about the minor bowls: I know who a lot of these guys being drafted are, because I’ve seen them play.

That lineman from Idaho taken by the 49ers, for example. Good lord, what a road grader that kid he is. Saw him in that incredible game against Bowling Green on the blue turf. One of the truly, truly great college games to watch last year.

Should I think less of him, and of the game, because some would say it was in a suckwad bowl for losers that shouldn’t have been played?

—Ricko

[quote comment=”387175″][quote comment=”387172″][quote comment=”387127″]Not news and slightly off topic, but …

How cool is it that the three major pro teams in Pittsburgh all share the same basic colors?[/quote]

Wasn’t always that way. I actually am old enough to remember when the Penguins changed to align with the Pirates and Steelers.[/quote]

and ricko’s old enough to remember when the link[/quote]

I’m old enough to link.

Wait… what?

[quote comment=”387258″][quote comment=”387097″][quote comment=”387073″]Some days, I totally get the stirrup thing.

And some days, I look at pictures like the one of Roberto, and the office glam shots, and it feels like some bizarro spank material.[/quote]

then link[/quote]

I’d love to take part, but I’m still awaiting shipment from New Mexico. LOL[/quote]

patience dear boy…patience

my shipment arrived today — and they’re gorgeous (stay tuned tomorrow, btw…there might be more on that)

i’d imagine your rups are stuck at the border

Winnipeg, Manitoba: link.

[quote comment=”387258″][quote comment=”387097″][quote comment=”387073″]Some days, I totally get the stirrup thing.

And some days, I look at pictures like the one of Roberto, and the office glam shots, and it feels like some bizarro spank material.[/quote]

then link[/quote]

I’d love to take part, but I’m still awaiting shipment from New Mexico. LOL[/quote]

yours need to pass through customs.

[quote comment=”387264″][quote comment=”387258″][quote comment=”387097″][quote comment=”387073″]Some days, I totally get the stirrup thing.

And some days, I look at pictures like the one of Roberto, and the office glam shots, and it feels like some bizarro spank material.[/quote]

then link[/quote]

I’d love to take part, but I’m still awaiting shipment from New Mexico. LOL[/quote]

yours need to pass through customs.[/quote]

I was really only joking, kids. Besides, no one at work has any appreciation for uniform fun.

I wore my “Satan 81” Islanders jersey today, and one woman (who admittedly is a Catholic devotee) demanded I remove my jersey due to the “horrible name on the back”.

She wouldn’t speak to me because of my “poignant stupidity” until one of my co-workers explained that Miroslav Satan was a real player, and that his name is pronounced “Sha-TAN”.

Let’s just say there’s a good chance I won’t be wearing that jersey to work again. Eff that hassle.

Giants new home orange alts; think these are worn Friday only at home:

link

[quote comment=”387266″]Giants new home orange alts; think these are worn Friday only at home:

link

Cardinals in BFBS equals a big Phoenix PHAIL!

[quote comment=”387257″][quote comment=”387250″][quote comment=”387248″][quote comment=”387242″]Already knew about the Pinstripe Bowl, but not the Dallas Football “Classic.”
link

Now up to 35 bowls…and there were almost 37. We’re a step closer to “Everybody gets to go to a bowl!” Whoo hoo.

They should call these 7th-place vs. 6th-place bowls the BFS (Bottom Feeder Series).[/quote]

i would rather there be less, but so what if everybody makes a bowl? who does it hurt? nobody is making us watch, and we all know what the important ones are.[/quote]

It’s like wearing stirrups on your forearms as well as your legs. It’s overkill and it cheapens the original intent.

I think there’s a way to compromise on this. Let everyone play a bowl game, but if you lose a bottom feeder bowl you get relegated to 1-AA. Teams who make the 1-AA playoffs get promoted to the FBS. I haven’t worked out all the logistics, as I just thought of it. I’m sure it could be done, but it’s laundry night so someone else will have to work on the details.[/quote]

Does the NIT cheapen the original intent of the Big Dance? Not talking pure numbers now, but isn’t the NIT sort of the same thing as the minor bowls…as in “Who gives a shit overall, but it’s good for the teams playing so where’s the harm?”

I’d rather know there’s a minor bowl game I have the option of watching on a weekday night in December than be stuck with more Texas Hold ‘Em, a World’s Strongest Man rerun or a cheerleading competition that actually took place three weeks ago.

—Ricko[/quote]

I used to watch the occasional NIT years ago, but although it used to be the big dog of postseason hoops, it’s obvioulsy a shadow of its former self. Then they add the CIT, and the CBI…or whatever those other tournaments are…and it’s just too much.

I agree, I’d rather watch that stuff than poker, but what I’d much rather see is more coverage of the division II and III playoffs. CBS showed the D-2 championship game, but no other contest. And you get some good players who turn pro who come out of the lower divisions as well. I’d like to see the best teams of those divisions instead of the below-average teams of division I.

I’d also like to see less overlap. With all the bowls spread out, it eats into the college hoops regular season. And while I’m not an NHL fan, I’d love to see some college hockey. There’s plenty of decent programming available, but the casual viewer will never get interested if the networks ignore it.

Confession: I did watch the Eagle Bank Bowl online. I’m not 100% dead set against these games, but in general I’d rather see the other divisions or my promotion/relegation idea. Or ski jumping.

How about college curling??

hey atleast the dallas classic is on new years day in a great stadium. hopefully this begins the trend of taking back newyears day by college football we dont need the jan5 gmac bowl etc.

Bob Brenley is ranting about how tough it was to put on sanitaries and stirrups. Boo Hoo. Greg Zaun looks great at the Brewers game and the WGN cameras showed tons of closeups.

[quote comment=”387270″]hey atleast the dallas classic is on new years day in a great stadium. hopefully this begins the trend of taking back newyears day by college football we dont need the jan5 gmac bowl etc.[/quote]

Yeah, glad to see the Cotton Bowl is still getting used. Tried watching the new “Cotton Bowl” this year but it wasn’t the same.

I’d love to see the Sun Bowl back on New Year’s Day as well. I like it on New Year’s Eve, but to me it should be a major bowl. Another great location.

[quote comment=”387271″]Bob Brenley is ranting about how tough it was to put on sanitaries and stirrups. Boo Hoo. Greg Zaun looks great at the Brewers game and the WGN cameras showed tons of closeups.[/quote]
link.

And here’s one link.

[quote comment=”387269″][quote comment=”387257″][quote comment=”387250″][quote comment=”387248″][quote comment=”387242″]Already knew about the Pinstripe Bowl, but not the Dallas Football “Classic.”
link

Now up to 35 bowls…and there were almost 37. We’re a step closer to “Everybody gets to go to a bowl!” Whoo hoo.

They should call these 7th-place vs. 6th-place bowls the BFS (Bottom Feeder Series).[/quote]

i would rather there be less, but so what if everybody makes a bowl? who does it hurt? nobody is making us watch, and we all know what the important ones are.[/quote]

It’s like wearing stirrups on your forearms as well as your legs. It’s overkill and it cheapens the original intent.

I think there’s a way to compromise on this. Let everyone play a bowl game, but if you lose a bottom feeder bowl you get relegated to 1-AA. Teams who make the 1-AA playoffs get promoted to the FBS. I haven’t worked out all the logistics, as I just thought of it. I’m sure it could be done, but it’s laundry night so someone else will have to work on the details.[/quote]

Does the NIT cheapen the original intent of the Big Dance? Not talking pure numbers now, but isn’t the NIT sort of the same thing as the minor bowls…as in “Who gives a shit overall, but it’s good for the teams playing so where’s the harm?”

I’d rather know there’s a minor bowl game I have the option of watching on a weekday night in December than be stuck with more Texas Hold ‘Em, a World’s Strongest Man rerun or a cheerleading competition that actually took place three weeks ago.

—Ricko[/quote]

I used to watch the occasional NIT years ago, but although it used to be the big dog of postseason hoops, it’s obvioulsy a shadow of its former self. Then they add the CIT, and the CBI…or whatever those other tournaments are…and it’s just too much.

I agree, I’d rather watch that stuff than poker, but what I’d much rather see is more coverage of the division II and III playoffs. CBS showed the D-2 championship game, but no other contest. And you get some good players who turn pro who come out of the lower divisions as well. I’d like to see the best teams of those divisions instead of the below-average teams of division I.

I’d also like to see less overlap. With all the bowls spread out, it eats into the college hoops regular season. And while I’m not an NHL fan, I’d love to see some college hockey. There’s plenty of decent programming available, but the casual viewer will never get interested if the networks ignore it.

Confession: I did watch the Eagle Bank Bowl online. I’m not 100% dead set against these games, but in general I’d rather see the other divisions or my promotion/relegation idea. Or ski jumping.

How about college curling??[/quote]

I agree. But it isn’t really a question of one or the other, is it? The minor bowls tend to be at night, and many on weekdays. Most of the D-II and D-III games are on weekends, geneally days, too, I believe….because they’re still sensitive to the “possible game next week” preparation mode.

As far as I’m concerned they should shimmy those II and III playoffs into the TV schedule and show them all in addition to the bowls. Ever notice how much air time in a given week college basketball gets? Don’t mean just the Big Dance.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”387273″][quote comment=”387271″]Bob Brenley is ranting about how tough it was to put on sanitaries and stirrups. Boo Hoo. Greg Zaun looks great at the Brewers game and the WGN cameras showed tons of closeups.[/quote]
link.

And here’s one link.[/quote]

She was almost as adamant in having me remove my blasphemous jersey. I was hoping to offend more people with the Islanders portion of the jersey than the Satan part. LOL

[quote comment=”387259″]Saw him in that incredible game against Bowling Green on the blue turf. One of the truly, truly great college games to watch last year.[/quote]

i watched that game with my brother-in-law at his neighbor’s house. when the neighbor’s wife asked who was playing, we told her and she said, “why in the world are you watching Idaho and Boise State?”

all three of us stared at her like that was the dumbest question in the history of ever. she just said, “sorry” and left the room.

i still don’t quite understand why someone would ask something like that.

just crazy.

[quote comment=”387138″] On the AZ Cardinals colors…before 1957, the Chicago Cardinals occasionally wore blue jerseys, usually when playing teams that also wore (shades of) red, namely the Giants and Redskins.

In 1964, the Cards added black stripes to the white jersey sleeves and their white pants. Then in 1970, they added black outlines to their jersey numbers on both jerseys and kept them on the white jerseys until they moved to the Valley of the Sun in 1988.[/quote]

your first paragraph is correct but the second one isn’t completely accurate. I grew up in St. Louis watching the Big Red and don’t remember black being on the home (red) jerseys aside from a special occasion patch every now and then. black didn’t make an appearance on the red jersey’s until the current unis came out a few years back.

if you have photo proof otherwise, i’d love to see it.

[quote comment=”387194″]The folks at Nike are such Stupid Fucking Assholes

link

They looked great before, now they look like shit. The faces on the B-Ball players sum it up.[/quote]
OMG! I cannot believe this! And I am a Buckeye fan! Nike SUCKS!

[quote comment=”387274″][quote comment=”387269″][quote comment=”387257″][quote comment=”387250″][quote comment=”387248″][quote comment=”387242″]Already knew about the Pinstripe Bowl, but not the Dallas Football “Classic.”
link

Now up to 35 bowls…and there were almost 37. We’re a step closer to “Everybody gets to go to a bowl!” Whoo hoo.

They should call these 7th-place vs. 6th-place bowls the BFS (Bottom Feeder Series).[/quote]

i would rather there be less, but so what if everybody makes a bowl? who does it hurt? nobody is making us watch, and we all know what the important ones are.[/quote]

It’s like wearing stirrups on your forearms as well as your legs. It’s overkill and it cheapens the original intent.

I think there’s a way to compromise on this. Let everyone play a bowl game, but if you lose a bottom feeder bowl you get relegated to 1-AA. Teams who make the 1-AA playoffs get promoted to the FBS. I haven’t worked out all the logistics, as I just thought of it. I’m sure it could be done, but it’s laundry night so someone else will have to work on the details.[/quote]

Does the NIT cheapen the original intent of the Big Dance? Not talking pure numbers now, but isn’t the NIT sort of the same thing as the minor bowls…as in “Who gives a shit overall, but it’s good for the teams playing so where’s the harm?”

I’d rather know there’s a minor bowl game I have the option of watching on a weekday night in December than be stuck with more Texas Hold ‘Em, a World’s Strongest Man rerun or a cheerleading competition that actually took place three weeks ago.

—Ricko[/quote]

I used to watch the occasional NIT years ago, but although it used to be the big dog of postseason hoops, it’s obvioulsy a shadow of its former self. Then they add the CIT, and the CBI…or whatever those other tournaments are…and it’s just too much.

I agree, I’d rather watch that stuff than poker, but what I’d much rather see is more coverage of the division II and III playoffs. CBS showed the D-2 championship game, but no other contest. And you get some good players who turn pro who come out of the lower divisions as well. I’d like to see the best teams of those divisions instead of the below-average teams of division I.

I’d also like to see less overlap. With all the bowls spread out, it eats into the college hoops regular season. And while I’m not an NHL fan, I’d love to see some college hockey. There’s plenty of decent programming available, but the casual viewer will never get interested if the networks ignore it.

Confession: I did watch the Eagle Bank Bowl online. I’m not 100% dead set against these games, but in general I’d rather see the other divisions or my promotion/relegation idea. Or ski jumping.

How about college curling??[/quote]

I agree. But it isn’t really a question of one or the other, is it? The minor bowls tend to be at night, and many on weekdays. Most of the D-II and D-III games are on weekends, geneally days, too, I believe….because they’re still sensitive to the “possible game next week” preparation mode.

As far as I’m concerned they should shimmy those II and III playoffs into the TV schedule and show them all in addition to the bowls. Ever notice how much air time in a given week college basketball gets? Don’t mean just the Big Dance.

—Ricko[/quote]

I went to Hillsdale, which is D-II, but they didn’t show our football playoff game this year anywhere. I think they did show the semis and champ game, but we made the D-II quarterfinals (or sweet 16, maybe, I can’t remember) and that didn’t get any coverage (maybe for the best– got shut out by Grand Valley State).

Still, that means that no one in the country knows who the hell the Raiders’ new left tackle is, despite the fact that he is a stud.

[quote comment=”387277″][quote comment=”387138″] On the AZ Cardinals colors…before 1957, the Chicago Cardinals occasionally wore blue jerseys, usually when playing teams that also wore (shades of) red, namely the Giants and Redskins.

In 1964, the Cards added black stripes to the white jersey sleeves and their white pants. Then in 1970, they added black outlines to their jersey numbers on both jerseys and kept them on the white jerseys until they moved to the Valley of the Sun in 1988.[/quote]

your first paragraph is correct but the second one isn’t completely accurate. I grew up in St. Louis watching the Big Red and don’t remember black being on the home (red) jerseys aside from a special occasion patch every now and then. black didn’t make an appearance on the red jersey’s until the current unis came out a few years back.

if you have photo proof otherwise, i’d love to see it.[/quote]

He’s right (and TimmyB may be, quite honestly, the most informed person on earth on such things). I remember when they added the black outline on the white numbers of the reds. Didn’t have them for long, but they did; maybe a season or two at most. I have photos, probably a number of them, but it’s too late tonight. Stop back tomorrow. I’ll be sure to scan and post them by 1 p.m CDT at the latest…unless TimmyB or someone else beats me to it.

TimmyB would have to verify this, but I think one of the reasons they don’t readily leap to mind is that during those years the Cards were wearing white at home, so the reds didn’t get seen all that often.

—Ricko

I actually like the Cardinals unis, and I’ve always liked the Cardinals in their ‘modern’ set.

Does that make me a bad person? Probably.

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