Back around 2005 — before this blog existed — I went to see the band Les Sans Culottes at Southpaw. I remember saying to my then-galpal Ruth, “Man, that guitarist has a really good look.”
I didn’t realize that the guitarist was the same guy who’d recently been contributing odd and ends for my ESPN column. He called himself Scott M.X. Turner, and he was clearly more uni-fluent than most of the other readers who were communicating with me at the time. At some point we figured out that we both lived in Brooklyn, so we met for a beer, at which point I realized he was the guy I’d seen onstage at Southpaw. We hit it off immediately.
In the ensuing years, Scott has provided all manner of support that’s been vital to Uni Watch’s success. When I was gearing up for the first-ever Uni Watch party in March of 2006, he took it upon himself to create a T-shirt design, which he invited me to use. When this site launched later that spring, he happily agreed to modify that design so it could serve as the site’s masthead. He later designed assorted T-shirts, secondary logos, and, most notably, about 900 membership cards (and counting). He’s also given me several gorgeous vintage jerseys and jackets, taken me along for a tour of the Stall and Dean warehouse, been my road-trip partner and softball teammate, and a lot more. He’s been a comrade, an ally, a co-conspirator, a dear friend.
And now big things are afoot for Scott. The good news is that he’s accepted a new gig with Ebbets Field Flannels; the bad news, at least for those of us here in New York, is that this means he’s relocating to Seattle — first for a month or so, just to get his feet wet, and then likely for good. I’ll really miss having him around.
For you NYC-area folks who want to send Scott off in style, it’s not too late. For the past few years, he’s been hosting a weekly trivia quiz at Rocky Sullivan’s in Red Hook. His final quiz will be tonight, 8pm, and I know it’ll be a doozy. And tomorrow night Rocky’s is hosting a going-away party for Scott, who’ll be Seattle-bound the very next day. If you have a membership card, if you have a T-shirt, or if you just want to buy a beer for a great guy, come on out tonight and/or tomorrow — Scott deserves it, and you deserve to meet him.
Ace designer, learned uniform scholar, killer musician, consummate Brooklynite, passionate activist, lifelong Shea Hey Kid, good friend — Scott is the total package. Here’s to you, buddy.
Meanwhile: New ESPN column today — the annual Super Bowl installment. Enjoy.
Helmet Watch, continued: Batting helmet history continues to present a very deep rabbit hole. Yesterday I was was directed to this 1989 article, which has lots of great info about the guy who helped develop the Pirates’ batting helmets. Key passage: “Rickey, hoping to immediately popularize the helmets, ordered the Pirates to wear them both at the plate and in the field in 1952. Pitchers disliked the helmets, saying they adversely affected their rhythm, so the Pirates wore them only while batting in 1953.”
Well, maybe. I couldn’t find any Pirates game photos from ’53, but I did find several pregame promo shots, all of which showed fielders wearing helmets (including a pitcher). And here’s a 1956 spring training shot that shows a bunch of players in helmets (okay, so they could all be headed to the batting cage, but still”¦) So I suspect this is another case of a published account that isn’t entirely accurate.
The most interesting thing I found, however, was this shot from March of ’53. Note the dateline and caption. Who knew the Buccos had a training camp in Havana? Apparently Branch Rickey had done the same thing with the Dodgers to avoid Southern racism and later did with with the Pirates as well.
Uni Watch News Ticker: The NFL plans to announce a “new Super Bowl logo system” today. No more roman numerals? No more really sucky logos? No more Super Bowl industrial complex? I can hardly give a shit wait. ”¦ Josh Szponar and his brother made a DIY FSU beer pong table. “It’s completely hand-painted, except for the numbers and yard marks, which we did with tape and numbered stencils,” he says. “We completed it during the off-season, and then FSU and Nike teamed up to change the field. It was heartbreaking, but now we have a beautiful table to remember the old design by.” ”¦ Got a flurry of e-mails last night from people informing me that Man v. Food host Adam Richman was wearing an “I Still Call It Joe Robbie” T-shirt — nice. ”¦ Matt Kuekes notes that the NHL logo was once again missing from Ray Whitney’s jersey last night. ”¦ Here’s something you don’t often see: a leather football helmet with a facemask. That’s from a listing of collectibles from the 2008 National Sports Collectors Convention (as found by Paul Deaver). ”¦ Matt Kuekes notes that the NHL logo is consistently missing from Ray Whitney’s jerseys. Anyone know what that’s about? ”¦ Lance Smith found an old Popular Mechanics article about “pinless” bowling and also came up with a few dozen related photos from the Life archives. Naturally, I’m mostly interested in the shirts. ”¦ Lance also posted some spectacular bowling photos in yesterday’s comments. In case you missed them, they’re all linked here. ”¦ Lots of Utah Jazz logo and uni speculation in this article. Key passage: “Deron Williams, however, said he’d already seen designs of the new jerseys the Jazz could wear next season. He wouldn’t reveal details, but they are expected to be a return to the music note in updated colors. ”¦ The Jazz are not expected to bring back their original Mardi Gras colors of purple, green and yellow. Instead, the updated colors are rumored to be blue, green and gold.” As it happens, I’ve seen next year’s Jazz uniform too, but of course I’m sworn to secrecy. ”¦ Not sports-related, but here’s a design contest — with a $2000 prize — to re-brand the District of Columbia Water and Sewer Authority (with thanks to Craig Sallinger). ”¦ Also not sports-related: Some amazing 1927 color footage from London (with thanks to Chad Todd). ”¦ Good article about how the Cavs chose their uni numbers (with thanks to Matt Sajna). ”¦ Georgia wore silver-gray alternates last night. ”¦ Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: Good piece on the pros and cons of the Brewers’ untucking ritual here. ”¦ Scroll down to the “New Unis” section of this page to see info on Arizona getting new football uniforms. A teeny bit of additional info at the very bottom of this page (with thanks to Joey Ramaeker and Mark Austin, respectively).
“Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: Good piece on the pros and cons of the Brewers’ untucking ritual here.”
There are no pros to it, regardless of the inspiration. Keep your shirt tucked in on the field. If I want to see dudes with untucked jerseys, I’ll look at slobs in the stands.
Good luck to you Scott Turner, and thanks for all your work for this site!
godspeed and best wishes scott!
a uni watcher in the truest sense of the word, and whose work on behalf of UW can never be underestimated or fully appreciated
best of luck scott! have fun out there!
this is clever as hell:
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Yo, Scott! Good luck in your change of diggs. Thanks for all you have done for UniWatch! Can you fill us in on what you will be doing for Ebbets?
Go figure, after all these years the Jazz realized their replacement logos have been a far cry from their original? Congrats, let’s hope they don’t bastardize it.
Now if Tampa would just go back to Bruce. The Pacers back to the hand. The Astros … Padres … Brewers … one can dream, right?
Happy Trails, Scott. Thanks for all your efforts over the years.
I’m not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, I found out via Getty Images, that the Colts will have a blue end zone with a white logo and wordmark, while the Saints (surprisingly) will have a metallic gold end zone with a black logo and wordmark.
I do have a question for Ricko though. I’m much younger than you, but since you actually were alive during this game, I’d like to ask you something. Back in the 1990’s, ESPN/ESPN 2 used to show all those Super Bowl highlight films. For each film I saw, I drew for myself the endzones for each game I saw (which sometime I’ll have to dig out). :) Anyways, this is where the question lies. The Second AFL/NFL Championship Game (Super Bowl II) showed the Packers having a Yellow end zone with Green Lettering, along with the NFL Shield. This was the first year that this game used team logos in the end zones. However, whether it being the highlight films or archive photos in general, never showed the Packers logo in the endzone. My question for you Ricko (or anyone alive watching the game), what logo did the the Green bay Packers use. Was it their familiar “G” in the oval, or was it a secondary logo such a throwing QB against a yellow football/state of Wisconsin backdrop.
Thank in advance, even though I doubt this question can be easily answered.
Longjohns controversy in Germany link
Good luck to you, Scott. Not only do I LOVE the membership card you made for me, I have been honored enough to have enjoyed your company over a few drinks.
And kudos to Paul for crafting yet another wonderful tribute to a friend.
I can only hope that when it is my time to be remembered, Mr. Lukas will be the one doing the writing.
Irony?: Ebbets Field Flannels. In Seattle.
Scott, you will be missed. Good luck, bring an umbrella. :)
Man vs Food: I wonder if the host, Adam Ricman, is a reader of the Uni Watch Blog. He does wear some sweet old school shirts on the show, and I think he wore stirrups when he did the baseball episode.
Can anyone tell me why the Leafs wear white jerseys a home?
Sean Payton wearing a Nike Miami Hurricanes shirt during Saints practice in Miami. Reebok folks won’t be happy about that. The visor has a swoosh, too.
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Good Luck to you Scott.
Maybe I’m the only one, but my first thought was I wonder what will happen when Mike Princip and Scott start hanging out in Seattle..
Today’s ESPN column is good to go:
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This item in yesterday’s WaPo Nationals Journal talked about them signing Kevin Mench to a minor league content. The link referenced at the end of the sentence reminded me of UW and Jeremy:
“Mench had a promising run with the Rangers in 2004 and 2005, swatting a combined 51 homers, but since then he’s come nowhere close to such productivity. Evidently he spent 2009 with the Hanshin Tigers, in Japan. If you want to customize your own “Mench” Tigers jersey, click here.”
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[quote comment=”376023″]Good luck to you, Scott. Not only do I LOVE the membership card you made for me, I have been honored enough to have enjoyed your company over a few drinks.
And kudos to Paul for crafting yet another wonderful tribute to a friend.
I can only hope that when it is my time to be remembered, Mr. Lukas will be the one doing the writing.[/quote]
well said powers!
[quote comment=”376014″]”Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: Good piece on the pros and cons of the Brewers’ untucking ritual here.”
There are no pros to it, regardless of the inspiration. Keep your shirt tucked in on the field. If I want to see dudes with untucked jerseys, I’ll look at slobs in the stands.[/quote]
It only happens when the game is over, right? It’s not like the Brewers are playing the entire game with untucked jerseys.
Potentially dumb question … was/is Scott’s UW work a full-time gig? I don’t see anywhere in the post that he’s leaving UW completely, just leaving Brooklyn (albeit for at least one month). Am I missing something?
In any case, Scott – leaving or not – I appreciate everything you’ve done around here! Hopefully there’s a coffee shop or something in Seattle with wifi access, so you can still chime in every once in a while.
[quote comment=”376026″]Can anyone tell me why the Leafs wear white jerseys a home?[/quote]
The Leafs have been all over the place on uniforms at home. They usually wear blues at home. On December 9, January 14, and February 2, they’ve worn their “away” whites. The Leafs also have “alternate” whites that have blue shoulders and cuffs and a more elaborate leaf logo (their away whites have white shoulders and cuffs and the normal logo). They wore the alternates on opening day, November 7 against Detroit, and November 21 against Washington. The Leafs also wore an absolutely hideous camouflage uniform on January 30. They seem to have two sets of blues this year, one with white shoulders and one with blue shoulders, but I haven’t picked out the dates for those. They wore the blue shoulders on January 5 and the white shoulders on January 26.
Paul noted:
[i]”The Jazz are not expected to bring back their original Mardi Gras colors of purple, green and yellow. Instead, the updated colors are rumored to be blue, green and gold.” As it happens, I’ve seen next year’s Jazz uniform too, but of course I’m sworn to secrecy. …”[/i]
All right… I’ll be the first to officially beat a dead horse. I love the New Orleans Hornets, love the name and look (especially the Fleur-de-Bee), but I’d give it all up in a second if there was ANY WAY to get the Jazz name, 1970s-era logo and Mardi Gras colors back.
And I’m pretty sure I’m not alone in that regard…
Good luck Scott and thanks for all of your contributions.
[quote comment=”376029″]Today’s ESPN column is good to go:
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Good to see you giving my painted-up Saints fan buddies from Jackson, MS, the “Gold Men,” some ink in your column!
as a follow-up to the pirates and the dodgers training in havana, i know that a bunch of other teams trained in a bunch of random places “back in the day.” the 1913 yankees, for example, held their camp in hamilton, bermuda; and that they trained in atlantic city in 44 and 45. the a’s spent ’37 in mexico city, dodgers were in the dominican republic in ’48 (and in havana in 41 and 42). just neat how it used to be far less rigid than either FL or AZ.
Great old baseball game at that sports collecters show site:
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Enjoyed the ESPN piece (never knew about the Colts early horseshoe location) with one caveat.
The use of the term “stump-footed” to describe Tom Dempsey made me cringe a little. Maybe I’m being overly sensitive, but there’s only one player I associate with that description (at risk of seeming insensitive):
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Just sayin….
[quote comment=”376026″]Can anyone tell me why the Leafs wear white jerseys a home?[/quote]
I don’t know, but I can only hope they’re leading a trend back to home whites as a standard in the NHL.
NBC FAIL:
Great Choice of Logos
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Scott,
Best of luck with your new job. I’m glad to hear that Ebbets Field Flannels will be the beneficiaries of your talents (largely because that means we’ll continue to be the beneficiaries of your talents ;) ).
[quote comment=”376034″][quote comment=”376026″]Can anyone tell me why the Leafs wear white jerseys a home?[/quote]
The Leafs have been all over the place on uniforms at home. They usually wear blues at home. On December 9, January 14, and February 2, they’ve worn their “away” whites. The Leafs also have “alternate” whites that have blue shoulders and cuffs and a more elaborate leaf logo (their away whites have white shoulders and cuffs and the normal logo). They wore the alternates on opening day, November 7 against Detroit, and November 21 against Washington. The Leafs also wore an absolutely hideous camouflage uniform on January 30. They seem to have two sets of blues this year, one with white shoulders and one with blue shoulders, but I haven’t picked out the dates for those. They wore the blue shoulders on January 5 and the white shoulders on January 26.[/quote]
i think teebz would have a good answer to this as well. is it possible the leafs wear white at home when the visiting team doesn’t have multiple stops on their road trip? so that the equipment managers don’t have to pack two sets of jerseys/helmets/socks?
[quote comment=”376021″]I’m not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, I found out via Getty Images, that the Colts will have a blue end zone with a white logo and wordmark, while the Saints (surprisingly) will have a metallic gold end zone with a black logo and wordmark.
I do have a question for Ricko though. I’m much younger than you, but since you actually were alive during this game, I’d like to ask you something. Back in the 1990’s, ESPN/ESPN 2 used to show all those Super Bowl highlight films. For each film I saw, I drew for myself the endzones for each game I saw (which sometime I’ll have to dig out). :) Anyways, this is where the question lies. The Second AFL/NFL Championship Game (Super Bowl II) showed the Packers having a Yellow end zone with Green Lettering, along with the NFL Shield. This was the first year that this game used team logos in the end zones. However, whether it being the highlight films or archive photos in general, never showed the Packers logo in the endzone. My question for you Ricko (or anyone alive watching the game), what logo did the the Green bay Packers use. Was it their familiar “G” in the oval, or was it a secondary logo such a throwing QB against a yellow football/state of Wisconsin backdrop.
Thank in advance, even though I doubt this question can be easily answered.[/quote]
There’s a third possibility – they might have used the Packers’ helmet-graphic logo, which appears to have been more common at the time than the Heismanish logo.
[quote comment=”376040″]Enjoyed the ESPN piece (never knew about the Colts early horseshoe location) with one caveat.
The use of the term “stump-footed” to describe Tom Dempsey made me cringe a little. Maybe I’m being overly sensitive, but there’s only one player I associate with that description (at risk of seeming insensitive):
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Just sayin….[/quote]
I thought long and hard about that term. But there’s nothing negative about it. It’s literally descriptive: His right foot was (and still is) a stump.
Do you have a better term? I’m all ears!
Speaking of Dempsey’s kick, here’s video of it (which I’ve just asked my editor to add to the ESPN piece):
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[quote comment=”376046″][quote comment=”376040″]Enjoyed the ESPN piece (never knew about the Colts early horseshoe location) with one caveat.
The use of the term “stump-footed” to describe Tom Dempsey made me cringe a little. Maybe I’m being overly sensitive, but there’s only one player I associate with that description (at risk of seeming insensitive):
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Just sayin….[/quote]
I thought long and hard about that term. But there’s nothing negative about it. It’s literally descriptive: His right foot was (and still is) a stump.
Do you have a better term? I’m all ears![/quote]
I have to agree with you Paul. I’m of the younger generation but everything I ever read about Dempsey described him as stump footed. Maybe with today’s increasingly ridiculous infatuation with finding ‘PC’ terms for everything, it would not be appropriate for a contemporary player, but for someone who has been described that way for almost 40 years, I don’t see a problem.
[quote comment=”376046″][quote comment=”376040″]Enjoyed the ESPN piece (never knew about the Colts early horseshoe location) with one caveat.
The use of the term “stump-footed” to describe Tom Dempsey made me cringe a little. Maybe I’m being overly sensitive, but there’s only one player I associate with that description (at risk of seeming insensitive):
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Just sayin….[/quote]
I thought long and hard about that term. But there’s nothing negative about it. It’s literally descriptive: His right foot was (and still is) a stump.
Do you have a better term? I’m all ears![/quote]
Geez … sure, your ears stick out a little bit, but to point out a person’s physical differences (even if it’s your own) … just seems, I dunno, insensitive.
[quote comment=”376049″][quote comment=”376046″][quote comment=”376040″]Enjoyed the ESPN piece (never knew about the Colts early horseshoe location) with one caveat.
The use of the term “stump-footed” to describe Tom Dempsey made me cringe a little. Maybe I’m being overly sensitive, but there’s only one player I associate with that description (at risk of seeming insensitive):
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Just sayin….[/quote]
I thought long and hard about that term. But there’s nothing negative about it. It’s literally descriptive: His right foot was (and still is) a stump.
Do you have a better term? I’m all ears![/quote]
Geez … sure, your ears stick out a little bit, but to point out a person’s physical differences (even if it’s your own) … just seems, I dunno, insensitive.[/quote]
You’re missing the point — I had just linked to a photo of the very odd-looking shoe. That begged the question of why Dempsey would wear such a shoe. Answer: Because he was born with a stump for a foot.
If I was simply referencing Dempsey (“Tom Dempsey was a placekicker for the New Orleans Saints who kicked a record 63-yard field goal in 1970…”), I wouldn’t mention his foot. But once I show the shoe, it kinda necessitates mention of his foot.
Two thoughts…
1. Tonight I’ll dig through my files for…
Pirates in the field wearing helmets
Any glimpse of SB II endzones
2. You’re a talented guy, Scott. UW will miss your work. Also, despite all the crap Seattle gets about the weather, it is a great, great town. Scenically gorgeous and lots to do. Have breakfast on Saturday or Sunday morning at Pike Place once in a while, just for me? (in one of my fantasy “other lives”, I live within walking distance and do that all the time). And by all means, take time of visit Vancouver and Victoria.
“The bluest skies you’ve ever seen…”
(That’s the truth. Man, on bright Summer days, with the city stretching out between the Sound and Mt. Rainier, it is frickin’ spectacular)
—Ricko
Wow…. lovin’ Grunwald’s Bucco uniform. That’s perfect! I might have to check the ‘so long S.X Turner gig Friday night– getting the permission slip taken care off as I type this.
[quote comment=”376050″][quote comment=”376049″][quote comment=”376046″][quote comment=”376040″]Enjoyed the ESPN piece (never knew about the Colts early horseshoe location) with one caveat.
The use of the term “stump-footed” to describe Tom Dempsey made me cringe a little. Maybe I’m being overly sensitive, but there’s only one player I associate with that description (at risk of seeming insensitive):
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Just sayin….[/quote]
I thought long and hard about that term. But there’s nothing negative about it. It’s literally descriptive: His right foot was (and still is) a stump.
Do you have a better term? I’m all ears![/quote]
Geez … sure, your ears stick out a little bit, but to point out a person’s physical differences (even if it’s your own) … just seems, I dunno, insensitive.[/quote]
You’re missing the point — I had just linked to a photo of the very odd-looking shoe. That begged the question of why Dempsey would wear such a shoe. Answer: Because he was born with a stump for a foot.
If I was simply referencing Dempsey (“Tom Dempsey was a placekicker for the New Orleans Saints who kicked a record 63-yard field goal in 1970…”), I wouldn’t mention his foot. But once I show the shoe, it kinda necessitates mention of his foot.[/quote]
JimWa forgot to press the sarcasm button again…
Great column, Paul. Can’t agree more – the Saints would look much better with link. And I love the copper.
[quote comment=”376046″][quote comment=”376040″]Enjoyed the ESPN piece (never knew about the Colts early horseshoe location) with one caveat.
The use of the term “stump-footed” to describe Tom Dempsey made me cringe a little. Maybe I’m being overly sensitive, but there’s only one player I associate with that description (at risk of seeming insensitive):
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Just sayin….[/quote]
I thought long and hard about that term. But there’s nothing negative about it. It’s literally descriptive: His right foot was (and still is) a stump.
Do you have a better term? I’m all ears![/quote]
Perhaps you should have described Dempsey as being “truncated-footed”.
C’mon, people, the old-time term was “club foot”. Should Paul have used that? It’s accurate, too.
—Ricko
[quote comment=”376050″][quote comment=”376049″][quote comment=”376046″][quote comment=”376040″]Enjoyed the ESPN piece (never knew about the Colts early horseshoe location) with one caveat.
The use of the term “stump-footed” to describe Tom Dempsey made me cringe a little. Maybe I’m being overly sensitive, but there’s only one player I associate with that description (at risk of seeming insensitive):
link
Just sayin….[/quote]
I thought long and hard about that term. But there’s nothing negative about it. It’s literally descriptive: His right foot was (and still is) a stump.
Do you have a better term? I’m all ears![/quote]
Geez … sure, your ears stick out a little bit, but to point out a person’s physical differences (even if it’s your own) … just seems, I dunno, insensitive.[/quote]
You’re missing the point — I had just linked to a photo of the very odd-looking shoe. That begged the question of why Dempsey would wear such a shoe. Answer: Because he was born with a stump for a foot.
If I was simply referencing Dempsey (“Tom Dempsey was a placekicker for the New Orleans Saints who kicked a record 63-yard field goal in 1970…”), I wouldn’t mention his foot. But once I show the shoe, it kinda necessitates mention of his foot.[/quote]
Paul did not use the term “stump-footed” in a derogatory mannor, so get over it. Being a Louisiana son, I have heard all my life about Dempsey’s stump-foot, and his 63yd kick. Never have I ever heard anyone cry over his foot being called a stump or even suggest a more PC discription for it. I am willing to bet that Dempsey will be mentioned during some part of Sunday’s SB broadcast, and we’ll see then if CBS decides to be PC or not…
[quote comment=”376054″]Great column, Paul. Can’t agree more – the Saints would look much better with link. And I love the copper.[/quote]
Well, it wasn’t quite THAT copper. Not like the helmets of the USFL Arizona Wranglers or anything, but it sure was a much richer gold.
Which, of course, was better looking.
A while someone posted a photo of, I believe, Jim Everett in the black jersey throwback from ’94. That a was really accurate throwback and, because of digital photography, gives us a good look at the color.
—Ricko
Good luck, Scott!
Ah, here we go.
Not the photo of Everett I was thinking of, but a good one.
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This is the one I was thinking of. A bit high contrast, though, throws the color off a bit.
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(Still couldn’t get the helmets to match the pants, through. How come that wasn’t a problem in 1967?)
—Ricko
[quote comment=”376028″]Good Luck to you Scott.
Maybe I’m the only one, but my first thought was I wonder what will happen when Mike Princip and Scott start hanging out in Seattle..[/quote]
Hells yea! First thing that crossed my mind was some Uniwatch gatherings in Seattle now. As far as Scott and I hangin’ out, well, whenever I’m in town I will definitely stop by Ebbets Field Flannels and say hello. I am living and working out of the Seattle area at the moment.
BTW, I’m also a musician/guitarist that once lived in Brooklyn. Weird!
Welcome to Washington Mr. Turner!
The question is, do you bowl?
for anyone who doesn’t know tom dempsey’s story, it’s a fascinating one
he was also born without a right hand and faced all kinds of ridicule and scorn growing up
im pretty sure he is “ok” with the use of the term paul used (pc or not), and in one of the best FU moments ever, kicked what was then (and i believe is still — i think jason elam tied him) the longest field goal in NFL history …
did you know that after the fact, there were players and coaches from opposing teams who wanted to BAN dempsey’s special kicking shoe, claiming a guy with half a foot had an advantage?
too bad dempsey didn’t say, “well, if you’d like to cut off half your foot to gain the same advantage, you’re welcome to”
[quote comment=”376027″]Sean Payton wearing a Nike Miami Hurricanes shirt during Saints practice in Miami. Reebok folks won’t be happy about that. The visor has a swoosh, too.
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Is it $5K per piece or is it considered one big sponsorship violation?
[quote comment=”376027″]Sean Payton wearing a Nike Miami Hurricanes shirt during Saints practice in Miami. Reebok folks won’t be happy about that. The visor has a swoosh, too.
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wow…. Payton is looking decidedly ‘tuna-ish’ in that shirt/khaki shorts combo…
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granted tuna’s not in Khakis..but I couldn’t locate the one I had in mind when he was coaching the lesser team in this town.
[quote comment=”376062″]for anyone who doesn’t know tom dempsey’s story, it’s a fascinating one
he was also born without a link and faced all kinds of ridicule and scorn growing up
im pretty sure he is “ok” with the use of the term paul used (pc or not), and in one of the best FU moments ever, kicked what was then (and i believe is still — i think jason elam tied him) the longest field goal in NFL history …
did you know that after the fact, there were players and coaches from opposing teams who wanted to BAN dempsey’s special kicking shoe, claiming a guy with half a foot had an advantage?
too bad dempsey didn’t say, “well, if you’d like to cut off half your foot to gain the same advantage, you’re welcome to”[/quote]
Correct, still is, elam did tie him in denver.
great site of international soccer uniforms- a lot of Japanese text, but there’s an English option too. But with flags and pictures, it’s easy to get around.
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Speaking of kickers…
Will someone check this out? I’m at work and can’t really do it.
I seem to recall that Ben Agajanian, who kicked for a number of NFL teams (and one AFL team, I believe) may have been missing some or all of the toes on his kicking foot.
Anyone else remember that, too?
—Ricko
[quote comment=”376067″]Speaking of kickers…
Will someone check this out? I’m at work and can’t really do it.
I seem to recall that Ben Agajanian, who kicked for a number of NFL teams (and one AFL team, I believe) may have been missing some or all of the toes on his kicking foot.
Anyone else remember that, too?
—Ricko[/quote]
Correct as always Ricko,
Agajanian had four toes of his kicking foot crushed off in a work accident during college, but overcame the injury to become pro football’s first kicking specialist, booting field goals for 14 different professional teams in the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s, including the 1956 World Champion New York Giants and the 1961 World Champion Green Bay Packers . After retiring from the field, he was the Dallas Cowboys kicking coach for 20 years.
Tom Dempsey, according to what I’ve read about him, was born without toes on his kicking foot. So, perhaps “toeless” might have been a more accurate description. The term “clubfoot” does not describe this situation and as for stumpfoot, I cannot find it in any dictionary except as a reference to furniture and the term “stump” refers to something that was once there having been removed: again, not an accurate description of his situation. I do not know the man and perhaps he may use these terms himself, but just because no one has been heard “crying” about their use doesn’t mean he finds them inoffensive. As for those who wish to introduce the term “PC” into this discussion: if being sensitive and respectful to others is “PC”, I will accept that designation with open arms. I don’t doubt that Paul thought long and hard about a descriptive word and meant no disrespect. I suppose those unfamiliar with Dempsey’s history might wonder about the shoe, but I thought (apparently incorrectly)that a modifier was unnecessary.
Nothing ground breaking here, just a side-by-side photo of the New and Old Jags Uni—in honor of the ongoing raffle.
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[quote comment=”376062″]for anyone who doesn’t know tom dempsey’s story, it’s a fascinating one
he was also born without a link and faced all kinds of ridicule and scorn growing up
im pretty sure he is “ok” with the use of the term paul used (pc or not), and in one of the best FU moments ever, kicked what was then (and i believe is still — i think jason elam tied him) the longest field goal in NFL history …
did you know that after the fact, there were players and coaches from opposing teams who wanted to BAN dempsey’s special kicking shoe, claiming a guy with half a foot had an advantage?
too bad dempsey didn’t say, “well, if you’d like to cut off half your foot to gain the same advantage, you’re welcome to”[/quote]
They did ban it. In 1977 they passed a rule that said any shoe used by a player with an artificial limb must conform to normal kicking surface standards. It’s called the Tom Dempsey Rule.
Thanks, everyone, for the well wishes.
I’ll still be working with Uni Watch — whatever graphics Paul needs, and of course, every Membership card that comes down the pike.
At Ebbets Field Flannels I’ll be doing lots of things — research, design, staffing the store (I like talking to customers about uniforms and other assorted eccentricities), handling Ebbets’ on-line outreach, and even sewing appliques onto jerseys.
In other words, whatever comes down the pike. Jerry Cohen’s blazed a trail with EFF for 20 years. He knows what’s what. EFF has pushed the envelope so well over the years — I’m glad to be one of the deck hands doing the pushing.
My good friend Cort McMurray sent an e-mail imploring me not to destroy his image of EFF as a place of whimsy, staffed by Oompah-Loompas working on Rube Goldberg machines.
That’s exactly right. Here’s a photo of EFF:
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Someone pointed out the irony of Ebbets Field Flannels being based in Seattle. Cohen grew up in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, not far from Ebbets Field’s location at the corner of Bedford and Sullivan.
Besides, if Bruce Ratner can screw Brooklyn while exploiting Ebbets Field’s mythology, EFF’s doing the right thing by simply paying tribute.
Long story slightly less long: I’m leaving Brooklyn for a few months, at the end of which I’ll decide whether to make it permanent. It simply feels like I’m leaving. Don’t confuse me with Brett Favre’s never-ending quitting/not quitting sturm und drang.
In other words, I’m pretty much getting out of Bloomberg’s Dodge.
Also, music. I’ll be taking my guitars and playing RebelMart shows out there as well. Come for the rock, surf the roll.
Oh…and tons of U.S. cities get more rain than Seattle — Boston, New York, Houston, et al. Seattle does have a lot more rainy days, though. Add to that cloudy-without-rain, and yes, it’s gray.
But Perry Como’s right about sunny days by the Puget Sound.
Again, thanks for the kindness.
Scott M.X.
I, too, strongly prefer the gold numbers to the black for the Saints. In fact, I love the original Taylor/Cuozzo jersey and think the Saints ought to use it as a throwback.
Congratulations, Scott.
[quote comment=”376069″]Tom Dempsey, according to what I’ve read about him, was born without toes on his kicking foot. So, perhaps “toeless” might have been a more accurate description. The term “clubfoot” does not describe this situation and as for stumpfoot, I cannot find it in any dictionary except as a reference to furniture and the term “stump” refers to something that was once there having been removed: again, not an accurate description of his situation. I do not know the man and perhaps he may use these terms himself, but just because no one has been heard “crying” about their use doesn’t mean he finds them inoffensive. As for those who wish to introduce the term “PC” into this discussion: if being sensitive and respectful to others is “PC”, I will accept that designation with open arms. I don’t doubt that Paul thought long and hard about a descriptive word and meant no disrespect. I suppose those unfamiliar with Dempsey’s history might wonder about the shoe, but I thought (apparently incorrectly)that a modifier was unnecessary.[/quote]
[sarcasm] my desktop computer was offended by that remark [/sarcasm]
Princip — yes, stop by EFF after President’s Day.
And Scott, yes, I bowl.
Now, back to tonight’s Quiz prep and, right, packing for a cross-country drive.
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C’mon, people, the old-time term was “club foot”. Should Paul have used that? It’s accurate, too.
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Doesn’t club foot refer to a foot rotated on an angle, not necessarily one missing digits or otherwise deformed?
From Paul’s ESPN piece:
“Everyone knows the center stripe on the Saints’ helmet goes black-white-black. It’s always been that way, even back in the Archie Manning days — except for the last 12 games of the 1968 season, when they switched the striping to white-black-white.”
Mmmm, but the ’67 SI cover of Jim Taylor and Gary Cuozzo shows them each holding helmets with a single white stripe. Did the Saints every wear a single stripe?
Good ESPN piece, by the way.
Thanks
The best news about Scott moving over to Ebbets Field is that EFF appears to be expanding (or at least keeping pace, if Scott’s replacing somebody else).
In this economy, I’ve been worried about them going the way of the link.
[quote comment=”376077″]From Paul’s ESPN piece:
“Everyone knows the center stripe on the Saints’ helmet goes black-white-black. It’s always been that way, even back in the Archie Manning days — except for the last 12 games of the 1968 season, when they switched the striping to white-black-white.”
Mmmm, but the ’67 SI cover of Jim Taylor and Gary Cuozzo shows them each holding helmets with a single white stripe. Did the Saints every wear a single stripe?
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I’m pretty sure they wore the single white stripe in the preseason.
The Saints seemed to have experimented with different looks in the early days. Check out this photo of Jim Taylor:
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Jim Taylor has thick jersey numbers, single white stripe helmet. George Harvey (#67) to the right has thin numbers and two thin black stripes to the side of the white stripe on his helmet.
And by the way, have we settled on a name for the three stripe “team color/white/team color” striping pattern? “Pro stripes” maybe?
Sorry, bungled the link.
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That might have been taken during their Oct 1 game against the Browns. Can’t find their 1967 preseason schedule.
And I just found this:
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Lots of good inaugural season pictures. Two photos near the end show the Saints at training camp in San Deigo, wearing the single white stripe. It also has preseason games against the Falcons and 49ers with their black/white/black helmets.
Interestingly, there’s a photo of the third game, against the Cleveland Browns, which appears to show Jim Taylor wearing a helmet with black/white/black stripes?!
[quote comment=”376076″][quote comment=”376055″]
C’mon, people, the old-time term was “club foot”. Should Paul have used that? It’s accurate, too.
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Doesn’t club foot refer to a foot rotated on an angle, not necessarily one missing digits or otherwise deformed?[/quote]
Not talking about the precise definition, talking about how the phrase was USED back then, as a kind of coverall. And that it would have been a poorer choice that “stump-footed.”
Can’t anyone ever put anything into its time context and first look at it through THAT lens to evaluate it for a moment—just for a second or two to digest that’s how things WERE—and THEN use the new, improved 2010 ViewFinder?
—Ricko
Where is the Ebbets Field Flannels store these days?
[quote comment=”376081″]And I just found this:
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Lots of good inaugural season pictures. Two photos near the end show the Saints at training camp in San Deigo, wearing the single white stripe. It also has preseason games against the Falcons and 49ers with their black/white/black helmets.
Interestingly, there’s a photo of the third game, against the Cleveland Browns, which appears to show Jim Taylor wearing a helmet with black/white/black stripes?![/quote]
Fantastic!
Anyone know when the “Superbowl 45 Logo” announcement is supposed to take place? Assuming it is what we think it is, seems like just another case of the NFL following Vince McMahon’s lead …
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[quote comment=”376081″]And I just found this:
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Lots of good inaugural season pictures. Two photos near the end show the Saints at training camp in San Deigo, wearing the single white stripe. It also has preseason games against the Falcons and 49ers with their black/white/black helmets.
Interestingly, there’s a photo of the third game, against the Cleveland Browns, which appears to show Jim Taylor wearing a helmet with black/white/black stripes?![/quote]
For more on that, join us Sunday here at Uni Watch.
[quote comment=”376082″][quote comment=”376076″][quote comment=”376055″]
C’mon, people, the old-time term was “club foot”. Should Paul have used that? It’s accurate, too.
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Doesn’t club foot refer to a foot rotated on an angle, not necessarily one missing digits or otherwise deformed?[/quote]
Not talking about the precise definition, talking about how the phrase was USED back then, as a kind of coverall. And that it would have been a poorer choice that “stump-footed.”
Can’t anyone ever put anything into its time context and first look at it through THAT lens to evaluate it for a moment—just for a second or two to digest that’s how things WERE—and THEN use the new, improved 2010 ViewFinder?
—Ricko[/quote]
I just never heard of “club foot” being used to describe a condition like Dempsey’s. Was genuinely asking.
Questions for the Uni-heads…
Which of the four sports (baseball, football, basketball, hockey) was the first to start the trend toward black-themed unis?
And which was the first team in each of the four sports to adopt a black-themed uni?
By “black-themed”, I mean a team added that color to their official team colors (examples: NY Mets- blue and orange, or NHL Calgary Flames – red, gold, white, — both added black trim to standard unis as well as adopting black alternate unis) or they altered the hue of their official colors to make them darker (example: Dallas Stars were originally the bright green of the Minnesota North Stars and later “blackened” the green).
Have at it.
-Jet
[quote comment=”376085″]Anyone know when the “Superbowl 45 Logo” announcement is supposed to take place? Assuming it is what we think it is, seems like just another case of the NFL following Vince McMahon’s lead …
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They have gone back to the roman numerals for this year’s event
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[quote comment=”376087″][quote comment=”376082″][quote comment=”376076″][quote comment=”376055″]
C’mon, people, the old-time term was “club foot”. Should Paul have used that? It’s accurate, too.
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Doesn’t club foot refer to a foot rotated on an angle, not necessarily one missing digits or otherwise deformed?[/quote]
Not talking about the precise definition, talking about how the phrase was USED back then, as a kind of coverall. And that it would have been a poorer choice that “stump-footed.”
Can’t anyone ever put anything into its time context and first look at it through THAT lens to evaluate it for a moment—just for a second or two to digest that’s how things WERE—and THEN use the new, improved 2010 ViewFinder?
—Ricko[/quote]
I just never heard of “club foot” being used to describe a condition like Dempsey’s. Was genuinely asking.[/quote]
Okay. Sorry. Should have been more specific in saying that it was bandied about pretty freely back then, including being applied to Dempsey once in a while.
And as I understand it, Dempsey’s right foot barely extended as far as the instep. Agajanian, on the other hand, was more aptly described as “toeless”. That’s why I brought him up.
—Ricko
Looks like this’ll be the logo for next year…
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[quote comment=”376088″]Questions for the Uni-heads…
Which of the four sports (baseball, football, basketball, hockey) was the first to start the trend toward black-themed unis?
And which was the first team in each of the four sports to adopt a black-themed uni?
By “black-themed”, I mean a team added that color to their official team colors (examples: NY Mets- blue and orange, or NHL Calgary Flames – red, gold, white, — both added black trim to standard unis as well as adopting black alternate unis) or they altered the hue of their official colors to make them darker (example: Dallas Stars were originally the bright green of the Minnesota North Stars and later “blackened” the green).
Have at it.
-Jet[/quote]
Well, my recollection is that it started with NHL and from there first went to college football (NW’s BFBS set, for example).
Not saying that’s it, just saying that kinda the way I recall it.
—Ricko
Scott, welcome to the Emerald City.
[quote comment=”376088″]Questions for the Uni-heads…
Which of the four sports (baseball, football, basketball, hockey) was the first to start the trend toward black-themed unis?
And which was the first team in each of the four sports to adopt a black-themed uni?
By “black-themed”, I mean a team added that color to their official team colors (examples: NY Mets- blue and orange, or NHL Calgary Flames – red, gold, white, — both added black trim to standard unis as well as adopting black alternate unis) or they altered the hue of their official colors to make them darker (example: Dallas Stars were originally the bright green of the Minnesota North Stars and later “blackened” the green).
Have at it.
-Jet[/quote]
IIRC, the NFL got its first taste in 1990, when the Jets added black trim to their green-and-white uniforms.
The Falcons swapped their red helmets and jerseys for black at about the same time. Not quite the same thing, since black had been a part of their color scheme from the beginning, but they went from being a mostly red-wearing team to an almost exclusively black-wearing team instantly.
Scott M.X. Turner said…
“Now, back to tonight’s Quiz prep and, right, packing for a cross-country drive.”
Hmmm, according to MapQuest, your route till take you within 90 minutes (or less) of the Twin Cities (through Albert Lea, MN).
—Ricko
[quote comment=”376091″]Looks like this’ll be the logo for next year…
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Doesn’t seem like that would translate well to jersey patches, but I like it! Of course, maybe that’s part of the announcement:
Someone had pointed out to us that those watching the game may already have been informed that they are viewing an actual Superbowl telecast, and may not have to be reminded of such information on the players uniforms. Therefore, we’re removing the patches, and allowing the graphic artists to use color schemes that have acutal visual interest. We apologize to all Superbowl logo makers from the past ___ years.
[quote comment=”376088″]Questions for the Uni-heads…
Which of the four sports (baseball, football, basketball, hockey) was the first to start the trend toward black-themed unis?
And which was the first team in each of the four sports to adopt a black-themed uni?
By “black-themed”, I mean a team added that color to their official team colors (examples: NY Mets- blue and orange, or NHL Calgary Flames – red, gold, white, — both added black trim to standard unis as well as adopting black alternate unis) or they altered the hue of their official colors to make them darker (example: Dallas Stars were originally the bright green of the Minnesota North Stars and later “blackened” the green).
Have at it.
-Jet[/quote]
Well, for the NFL – if it counts, the first would be the Eagles adding black outlines to the numbers in 1985. That’s probably before the trend started though. The first obvious switch would go to the Falcons in 1990.
[quote comment=”376095″][quote comment=”376088″]Questions for the Uni-heads…
Which of the four sports (baseball, football, basketball, hockey) was the first to start the trend toward black-themed unis?
And which was the first team in each of the four sports to adopt a black-themed uni?
By “black-themed”, I mean a team added that color to their official team colors (examples: NY Mets- blue and orange, or NHL Calgary Flames – red, gold, white, — both added black trim to standard unis as well as adopting black alternate unis) or they altered the hue of their official colors to make them darker (example: Dallas Stars were originally the bright green of the Minnesota North Stars and later “blackened” the green).
Have at it.
-Jet[/quote]
IIRC, the NFL got its first taste in 1990, when the Jets added black trim to their green-and-white uniforms.
The Falcons swapped their red helmets and jerseys for black at about the same time. Not quite the same thing, since black had been a part of their color scheme from the beginning, but they went from being a mostly red-wearing team to an almost exclusively black-wearing team instantly.[/quote]
All true. I was thinking of teams that actually added, say, a black jersey when black wasn’t one of the team’s colors. You know what I mean, there’s adding a bit of “accent black” and there’s “Why the hell are they wearing a black jersey?” LOL
—Ricko
Good espn super bowl piece paul —
One thing to add, this is only the 2nd super bowl, and the first since Super Bowl V where both helmets do not include any letters (team name or city reference), or object that directly refers to the teams nickname.
I think we decided these photos of the Pirates were from 1956. (They’re undated, but the set includes one of the first scoreboards we worked out.) LarryB can probably check me on these names.
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[quote comment=”376100″]Good espn super bowl piece paul —
One thing to add, this is only the 2nd super bowl, and the first since Super Bowl V where both helmets do not include any letters (team name or city reference), or object that directly refers to the teams nickname.[/quote]
Horseshoe doesn’t refer to Colts?
Or you mean helmet doesn’t actually show a horse?
Or am I just not understanding your point?
—Ricko
[quote comment=”376100″]Good espn super bowl piece paul —
One thing to add, this is only the 2nd super bowl, and the first since Super Bowl V where both helmets do not include any letters (team name or city reference), or object that directly refers to the teams nickname.[/quote]
Cowboys-Bills in the 90s comes to mind…Star doesn’t reference Cowboys in any way, and Buffalo references the city, not team’s nickname.
[quote comment=”376100″]Good espn super bowl piece paul —
One thing to add, this is only the 2nd super bowl, and the first since Super Bowl V where both helmets do not include any letters (team name or city reference), or object that directly refers to the teams nickname.[/quote]
what about colts/cowboys or am i not getting the premise-they aren’t called the stars
never mind that was number V
Okay, I get the premise now.
They aren’t the Indianapolis “Horseshoes”.
You’re saying neither a city reference NOR a direct representation of the nickname.
—Ricko
yes ricko — you said it better.
[quote comment=”376099″] I was thinking of teams that actually added, say, a black jersey when black wasn’t one of the team’s colors. You know what I mean, there’s adding a bit of “accent black” and there’s “Why the hell are they wearing a black jersey?”
LOL
—Ricko[/quote]
Yes, the intent of my question was for team’s adding black (or blackening their colors) who didn’t previously have black in their color scheme.
But the Falcon example is still significant since few teams that originally had black ever used it as the main color on their dark uniforms, Chicago Bears being one exception.
-Jet
The Philadelphia Flyers would be analagous to the Falcons since they had black trim since their inception and added black as the main color on their dark jerseys much later on as part of the black uni trend.
[quote comment=”376106″]Okay, I get the premise now.
They aren’t the Indianapolis “Horseshoes”.
You’re saying neither a city reference NOR a direct representation of the nickname.
—Ricko[/quote]
Very few teams even fall into that category, so I guess having them play each other in the Superbowl is notable?
Lets see…
Colts, because they’re not the Horseshoes
Cowboys, because they’re not the Stars
Bills, who aren’t the Buffalos
Saints, because being the Fighting Fleur-de-lises would be silly
Uh..
Eagles? I guess.. the logo is a wing not a bird
Rams?
The whole point of a logo is to be a reference to the team name or city…so, um, yeah.
Hmmm… Ebbets Field Flannels and the Redhook Ale Brewery are both headquartered in Seattle.
Coincidence? Or is it part of a vast conspiracy on the part of the people of the Emerald City to steal everything from Brooklyn.
Anyone care to take a wild stab as to where a place called link is located?
Scott M.X. (and also his friend Cort) was an outstanding contributor on the old Fanhome board. I always enjoyed his insight and uniform concepts tremendously.
Congratulations on your new gig, Scott! And Seattle in the summertime is about the nicest place on Earth.
[quote comment=”376111″]Hmmm… Ebbets Field Flannels and the Redhook Ale Brewery are both headquartered in Seattle.
Coincidence? Or is it part of a vast conspiracy on the part of the people of the Emerald City to steal everything from Brooklyn.
Anyone care to take a wild stab as to where a place called link is located?[/quote]
Let me guess… not in Cincinnati?
[quote comment=”376110″][quote comment=”376106″]Okay, I get the premise now.
They aren’t the Indianapolis “Horseshoes”.
You’re saying neither a city reference NOR a direct representation of the nickname.
—Ricko[/quote]
Very few teams even fall into that category, so I guess having them play each other in the Superbowl is notable?
Lets see…
Colts, because they’re not the Horseshoes
Cowboys, because they’re not the Stars
Bills, who aren’t the Buffalos
Saints, because being the Fighting Fleur-de-lises would be silly
Uh..
Eagles? I guess.. the logo is a wing not a bird
Rams?
The whole point of a logo is to be a reference to the team name or city…so, um, yeah.[/quote]
Okay, let’s think about whose helmets actually DEPICT (or spell) the nickname rather than referencing/suggesting it.
Broncos
Ravens
Dolphins
Falcons
Lions
Cardinals
Jaguars
Panthers
Jets
Redskins
Seahawks
Raiders? (yeah, I guess; though very few pirates ever wore a plastic football helmet)
Others?
Rams, Viking, Eagles, Bucs (and others) suggest but don’t depict.
—Ricko
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But the Falcon example is still significant since few teams that originally had black ever used it as the main color on their dark uniforms, Chicago Bears being one exception.[/quote]
wait…what?
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But the Falcon example is still significant since few teams that originally had black ever used it as the main color on their dark uniforms, Chicago Bears being one exception.[/quote]
wait…what?[/quote]
Old joke. ;)
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Old joke. ;)[/quote]
dammit…i been had!
back to your regularly scheduled programming…
As much as I don’t like the Hurricanes, I love the look of jerseys without the NHL logo. I’m pretty sure 99% of people watching games and buying jerseys know which league it is. Just another example of reebok NFL-izing the NHL
Good seats still available for Sunday, and for only $226,000!
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So they’re going to use the same “permanent core design” for all Super Bowl logos now? Bad idea, even if the core design wasn’t awful – the variety of Super Bowl logos is one of the best things about them. You can read so many things into a good Super Bowl logo, including location and era.
Scott: Best wishes on the new job. Glad to hear you’ll continue to be a presence here. My son told me the membership card I got him for X-mas this year was the best gift he’s gotten in a long time. He loves it.
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So they’re going to use the same “permanent core design” for all Super Bowl logos now? Bad idea, even if the core design wasn’t awful – the variety of Super Bowl logos is one of the best things about them. You can read so many things into a good Super Bowl logo, including location and era.[/quote]
All things shall be subservient to the NFL brand.
Take the host city out of the SB logo.
Is meaningless compared to promoting and protecting the brand.
(Unsolicited piece of advice for NFL: Remember the last time you stopped playing? Took better part of three years for Sunday TV ratings to get back to their former level. People discovered there were plenty of other things to do on an Autumn Sunday afternoon. So, before you get so full of yourselves, make damn sure there’s NFL football in 2011. Cuz right now it doesn’t look like there’s going to be. And on the road back, you’ll find your farts DON’T smell like roses…as you think they do now).
—Ricko
[quote comment=”376034″][quote comment=”376026″]Can anyone tell me why the Leafs wear white jerseys a home?[/quote]
The Leafs have been all over the place on uniforms at home. They usually wear blues at home. On December 9, January 14, and February 2, they’ve worn their “away” whites. The Leafs also have “alternate” whites that have blue shoulders and cuffs and a more elaborate leaf logo (their away whites have white shoulders and cuffs and the normal logo). They wore the alternates on opening day, November 7 against Detroit, and November 21 against Washington. The Leafs also wore an absolutely hideous camouflage uniform on January 30. They seem to have two sets of blues this year, one with white shoulders and one with blue shoulders, but I haven’t picked out the dates for those. They wore the blue shoulders on January 5 and the white shoulders on January 26.[/quote]
The January 30th uniform (camoflage) and the January 26th uniform (blue with white) were worn in warmups only.
The January 26th uniform with the white yoke across the entire shoulder was a throwback to their 1970s look.
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re: Paul’s ESPN column. Those side-by-side pics of Bert Jones and PM really bring home the difference between the old Colt shoulder stripes and the new truncated version. Doesn’t seem like a big thing until you see them side-by-side. As a “Baltimore” Colt fan I really appreciate how cool their jerseys were back in the day.
[quote comment=”376120″]link
So they’re going to use the same “permanent core design” for all Super Bowl logos now? Bad idea, even if the core design wasn’t awful – the variety of Super Bowl logos is one of the best things about them. You can read so many things into a good Super Bowl logo, including location and era.[/quote]
At least having a single core design will make it easier to counterfeit for future games. Wait…
[quote comment=”376088″]Questions for the Uni-heads…
Which of the four sports (baseball, football, basketball, hockey) was the first to start the trend toward black-themed unis?
And which was the first team in each of the four sports to adopt a black-themed uni?
By “black-themed”, I mean a team added that color to their official team colors (examples: NY Mets- blue and orange, or NHL Calgary Flames – red, gold, white, — both added black trim to standard unis as well as adopting black alternate unis) or they altered the hue of their official colors to make them darker (example: Dallas Stars were originally the bright green of the Minnesota North Stars and later “blackened” the green).
Have at it.
-Jet[/quote]
I kinda always thought it was the Minnesota North Stars randomly adding black to their trim colors along with black pants with gold stars down the side. Like link.
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The NFL also announced it’s changing its postseason logo system and trophies.
The link will change from a brown base with a ‘A’ or ‘N’ on top of it surrounded by a players layered on a wall, to silver trophies in the make of a football.
Playoff logos will also change to reflect the football as a trophy.
All the new logos and trophies will take effect starting with the 2010 season.[/em]
Never liked the Halas and Hunt trophies, but at least they were distinct and different from the Super Bowl trophy. This sounds like George and Lamar will end up looking like Vince’s little brothers.
Good thing the Lombardi Trophy is so iconic, or they’d find a way to screw that up too.
[quote comment=”376120″]link
So they’re going to use the same “permanent core design” for all Super Bowl logos now? Bad idea, even if the core design wasn’t awful – the variety of Super Bowl logos is one of the best things about them. You can read so many things into a good Super Bowl logo, including location and era.[/quote]
Details from Dallasnews.com:
Mark Waller, chief marketing officer for the NFL, said that this logo will be the permanent design for the Super Bowl, with each host city allowed to regionalize the logo. For Super Bowl XLV in Arlington, a depiction of Cowboys Stadium will be added.
“This really reflects the stature and pre-eminence of the Super Bowl, and now it will reflect the games and stadiums,” Waller said.
Waller said there will be a style guide for the logo which can be customized with the colors of the city.
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What a great way to remove any personality.
[quote comment=”376120″]link
So they’re going to use the same “permanent core design” for all Super Bowl logos now? Bad idea, even if the core design wasn’t awful – the variety of Super Bowl logos is one of the best things about them. You can read so many things into a good Super Bowl logo, including location and era.[/quote]
Is it good or is it stupid? Pretty stupid to me.
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I kinda always thought it was the Minnesota North Stars randomly adding black to their trim colors along with black pants with gold stars down the side. Like link.[/quote]
Right, I remembered that change after I posted.
-Jet
One more batting helmet photo:
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[quote comment=”376126″][quote comment=”376088″]Questions for the Uni-heads…
Which of the four sports (baseball, football, basketball, hockey) was the first to start the trend toward black-themed unis?
And which was the first team in each of the four sports to adopt a black-themed uni?
By “black-themed”, I mean a team added that color to their official team colors (examples: NY Mets- blue and orange, or NHL Calgary Flames – red, gold, white, — both added black trim to standard unis as well as adopting black alternate unis) or they altered the hue of their official colors to make them darker (example: Dallas Stars were originally the bright green of the Minnesota North Stars and later “blackened” the green).
Have at it.
-Jet[/quote]
I kinda always thought it was the Minnesota North Stars randomly adding black to their trim colors along with black pants with gold stars down the side. Like link.[/quote]
Yes, and Ohio State added some black in about in 1954, too.
And Reds added navy accents in ’61.
I don’t think that’s the question.
He’s asking about the general “darkening” of unis.
Such as…
Adding a black jersey when black not a team color (other than perhaps as an accent color).
Changing from kelly to forest (Stars), or from royal to navy (Sabres, Oilers), etc.
I think that’s what he’s talking about.
And if he is, that definitely began with NHL teams adding black jerseys and, as I recollect, NW being among the first college football teams to appear in a black jersey when, in their case, school colors were purple and white.
—Ricko
Alright, after spending the day replacing computers thus far, I’m taking a break. Let’s run this down.
Skeebs: The Leafs wear white at home on set dates that they have cleared with the league. The reason they are allowed to do this is because the visiting team is on a one-game roadtrip, thus they only have the need for one colour of jersey. The Devils and Leafs are playing a home-and-home, and the Devils played the Kings at home before traveling to Toronto. All NHL teams that you see wearing white at home have been granted this clearance by the NHL.
Re: Ray Whitney…
I’m trying to get some information from the NHL regarding this. I also have a friend looking into the matter with the Hurricanes themselves. If I get any response, I’ll post it here.
re: BFBS jerseys…
The Vancouver Canucks wore their standard <a href="link in 1977-78 before going link in 1978-79. That was one of the first major changes in the NHL, not counting the switch that the Penguins made to match the other Pittsburgh teams in 1979-80.
The Flyers added more black link in 1981-82, outlining the shoulder yoke and adding the bottom hem stripe. Of course, they also wore the black Cooperalls from 1981-83, so that may have had something to do with it.
1988-89 was the big year when Wayne Gretzky moved to Los Angeles, prompting the change from purple-and-gold to link.
From there, the 1991-92 North Stars changed their logo from the capital “N” to “Stars”, and replaced their familiar green with link.
The Devils link the following season to their uniforms, and the Hartford Whalers went away from green link. The NHL also granted expansion franchises to link and link, both of whom entered the league with a black uniform.
After the strike in 1995, the link, the Penguins added a link, and the Washington Capitals link. Of course, the following seasons saw lots of black added throughout the NHL, so the trend had been building for some time.
The Ray Whitney thing is in the ticker twice… and it’s hockey, so I know it’s not intentional.
Welcome to the Pacific Time Zone, Scott. You’ll enjoy it.
From last night:
link
Madden ’10 has already decided the Super Bowl winner.
[quote comment=”376135″]The Ray Whitney thing is in the ticker twice… and it’s hockey, so I know it’s not intentional.
Welcome to the Pacific Time Zone, Scott. You’ll enjoy it.[/quote]
Damn right. Early NFL games kick off at 10 a.m.
ESPN Pregame show at, like, 7 a.m.
Breakfast with the NFL.
That part’s nice. The second games being over by about 4:15 is a little odd, though.
[quote comment=”376129″][quote comment=”376120″]link
So they’re going to use the same “permanent core design” for all Super Bowl logos now? Bad idea, even if the core design wasn’t awful – the variety of Super Bowl logos is one of the best things about them. You can read so many things into a good Super Bowl logo, including location and era.[/quote]
Is it good or is it stupid? Pretty stupid to me.[/quote]
I think you’re looking at the wrong logo. Look here: link
I am disappointed that the “unique factor” for future logo’s will be diminished. However, I do like the logo itself–especially incorporating the Lombardi Trophy.
On the other hand, the NBA beat them to the punch with their championship game/series logo design.
[quote comment=”376096″]Scott M.X. Turner said…
“Now, back to tonight’s Quiz prep and, right, packing for a cross-country drive.”
Hmmm, according to MapQuest, your route till take you within 90 minutes (or less) of the Twin Cities (through Albert Lea, MN).
—Ricko[/quote]
he’ll be cruisin’ past rpm and jth too…
[quote comment=”376114″][quote comment=”376110″][quote comment=”376106″]Okay, I get the premise now.
They aren’t the Indianapolis “Horseshoes”.
You’re saying neither a city reference NOR a direct representation of the nickname.
—Ricko[/quote]
Very few teams even fall into that category, so I guess having them play each other in the Superbowl is notable?
Lets see…
Colts, because they’re not the Horseshoes
Cowboys, because they’re not the Stars
Bills, who aren’t the Buffalos
Saints, because being the Fighting Fleur-de-lises would be silly
Uh..
Eagles? I guess.. the logo is a wing not a bird
Rams?
The whole point of a logo is to be a reference to the team name or city…so, um, yeah.[/quote]
Okay, let’s think about whose helmets actually DEPICT (or spell) the nickname rather than referencing/suggesting it.
Broncos
Ravens
Dolphins
Falcons
Lions
Cardinals
Jaguars
Panthers
Jets
Redskins
Seahawks
Raiders? (yeah, I guess; though very few pirates ever wore a plastic football helmet)
Others?
Rams, Viking, Eagles, Bucs (and others) suggest but don’t depict.
—Ricko[/quote]
steelers?
[quote comment=”376137″][quote comment=”376135″]The Ray Whitney thing is in the ticker twice… and it’s hockey, so I know it’s not intentional.
Welcome to the Pacific Time Zone, Scott. You’ll enjoy it.[/quote]
Damn right. Early NFL games kick off at 10 a.m.
ESPN Pregame show at, like, 7 a.m.
Breakfast with the NFL.
That part’s nice. The second games being over by about 4:15 is a little odd, though.[/quote]
Waking up to the NFL is amazing… and when even the night game is done by 10, you still have time to get things done after football on Sunday. Speaking of getting things done, time to do a phone interview for my project.
[quote comment=”376138″][quote comment=”376129″][quote comment=”376120″]link
So they’re going to use the same “permanent core design” for all Super Bowl logos now? Bad idea, even if the core design wasn’t awful – the variety of Super Bowl logos is one of the best things about them. You can read so many things into a good Super Bowl logo, including location and era.[/quote]
Is it good or is it stupid? Pretty stupid to me.[/quote]
I think you’re looking at the wrong logo. Look here: link
I am disappointed that the “unique factor” for future logo’s will be diminished. However, I do like the logo itself–especially incorporating the Lombardi Trophy.
On the other hand, the NBA beat them to the punch with their championship game/series logo design.[/quote]
Dear God, I really don’t know how I typed “logo’s.” Please forgive me. I know it should be “logos.”
new super bowl logo: link
…and how large is that patch going to be?
Apparently the spam filter caught my response to the hockey stuff today.
Phil or Paul… when you get a minute, please release the hounds. :o)
Has anyone considered the ramifications of a possible 17th regular season game in 2009? Of having kept the second bye-week? Of the ever-evolving schedule pushing the end of the season further and further back?
Exactly how close did we come to having to decide between celebrating the Superbowl and celebrating Valentine’s Day this year?
Ponder that for a while while you inhale buffalo wings and chili dip this Sunday.
[quote comment=”376143″]new super bowl logo: link
I really don’t like having the stadium OR the Lombardi Trophy in it… or the font, or the monochrome nature of it for that matter… so, no.
[quote comment=”376145″]Apparently the spam filter caught my response to the hockey stuff today.
Phil or Paul… when you get a minute, please release the hounds. :o)[/quote]
done
it’s now comment #119
[quote comment=”376062″]for anyone who doesn’t know tom dempsey’s story, it’s a fascinating one
he was also born without a link and faced all kinds of ridicule and scorn growing up
im pretty sure he is “ok” with the use of the term paul used (pc or not), and in one of the best FU moments ever, kicked what was then (and i believe is still — i think jason elam tied him) the longest field goal in NFL history …
did you know that after the fact, there were players and coaches from opposing teams who wanted to BAN dempsey’s special kicking shoe, claiming a guy with half a foot had an advantage?
too bad dempsey didn’t say, “well, if you’d like to cut off half your foot to gain the same advantage, you’re welcome to”[/quote]
Yes, Dempsey (one of the inspirations for the 19 in JimV19) is tied with Elam for the longest field goal. What a contrast – Elam kicked his in the mile-high city and Dempsey kicked his…what is N’Orleans…eight feet under sea level?
Anyway, speaking of one of my favorite subjects, dig this:
link
[quote comment=”376146″]Has anyone considered the ramifications of a possible 17th regular season game in 2009?[/quote]
I’m not here to talk about the past. Sorry, just channeled Mark McGwire there… ;)
The two teams I think of for leading the change to black are the Gretzky era LA Kings and the early 90’s White Sox.
Below is a link to an article talking about the Top 10 Men’s Lacrosse Uniforms. Also, as a former Charlotte Hornet fan I would love to see New Orleans get the Jazz name back as I would love to have the Hornets back. The name we have now is horrible.
link
[quote comment=”376147″][quote comment=”376143″]new super bowl logo: link
I really don’t like having the stadium OR the Lombardi Trophy in it… or the font, or the monochrome nature of it for that matter… so, no.[/quote]
This is absolutely terrible. I mean how many host cities does the NFL cycle through? Not that many. So in a matter of a few years time, will we have the same logo over and over again? Also, how will this be turned into a patch? I guess that is the only GOOD thing to come out of this, is maybe the Super Bowl teams won’t have a patch anymore.
Can anyone tell me what the last Super Bowl to not incorporate a Super Bowl patch? If you know me at all, it shouldn’t be tough.
That new logo won’t be good as a patch or painted on the field.
Stupid.
Didn’t the NFL offices lay off a bunch of people last year? They kept the wrong ones.
non-uni, breaking ketchup news
link
[quote comment=”376154″]
This is absolutely terrible. I mean how many host cities does the NFL cycle through? Not that many. So in a matter of a few years time, will we have the same logo over and over again? Also, how will this be turned into a patch? I guess that is the only GOOD thing to come out of this, is maybe the Super Bowl teams won’t have a patch anymore.
[/quote]
Were that remotely possible, I could get behind this new “permanent core design” nonsense.
[quote comment=”376149″][quote comment=”376062″]for anyone who doesn’t know tom dempsey’s story, it’s a fascinating one
he was also born without a link and faced all kinds of ridicule and scorn growing up
im pretty sure he is “ok” with the use of the term paul used (pc or not), and in one of the best FU moments ever, kicked what was then (and i believe is still — i think jason elam tied him) the longest field goal in NFL history …
did you know that after the fact, there were players and coaches from opposing teams who wanted to BAN dempsey’s special kicking shoe, claiming a guy with half a foot had an advantage?
too bad dempsey didn’t say, “well, if you’d like to cut off half your foot to gain the same advantage, you’re welcome to”[/quote]
Yes, Dempsey (one of the inspirations for the 19 in JimV19) is tied with Elam for the longest field goal. What a contrast – Elam kicked his in the mile-high city and Dempsey kicked his…what is N’Orleans…eight feet under sea level?
Anyway, speaking of one of my favorite subjects, dig this:
link
“Dempsey was born with half a right foot and with no right hand. He was fitted with an artificial foot in childhood, and it is with that wooden foot, encased in a modified football shoe, that he kicked field goals and extra points.” Just quoting from that article that he actually kicked with a wooden foot? That does seem to be an advantage.
[quote comment=”376154″]
Can anyone tell me what the last Super Bowl to not incorporate a Super Bowl patch? If you know me at all, it shouldn’t be tough.[/quote]
I remember all too well.
Maybe that’s why I hate the Super Bowl uniform patches – wonderful memories of the last SB not to have them, terrible memories of the SB in which they were introduces….
[quote comment=”376151″]The two teams I think of for leading the change to black are the Gretzky era LA Kings and the early 90’s White Sox.[/quote]
Add Glanville’s push to make the Falcons appear ‘tougher’ within his whole ‘house of pain’ schtick.
make that “terrible memories of the SB in which they were introduced“.
[quote comment=”376156″]non-uni, breaking ketchup news
link
How long do you think it will take Hunts to …
… never mind … (bad Jim … Bad, bad Jim)
and how large is that patch going to be?
For the patch, they might separate the wordmark from the rest of the logo. Or it could be the wordmark with the trophy (no local backdrop).
[quote comment=”376163″]and how large is that patch going to be?
For the patch, they might separate the wordmark from the rest of the logo. Or it could be the wordmark with the trophy (no local backdrop).[/quote]
I suspect the patch will be the same as link – simplified graphic, 2-D, no gradients, NFL shield removed.
It looks more like Ray Whitney has had some modifications to his collar as opposed to missing the NHL logo.
It looks like he cut the NHL tag out of the collar.
Here’s a pic of Eric Staal. The flap with the logo is red, not black on the white jersey. – link
It wouldn’t surprise me that much if he did. Owning an Reebok Edge jersey (Sabres third), the NHL tag is kind of superfluous in the front, and could get in the way of the collar a bit.
Reebok being superfluous?! Say it ain’t so!
[quote comment=”376140″][quote comment=”376114″][quote comment=”376110″][quote comment=”376106″]Okay, I get the premise now.
They aren’t the Indianapolis “Horseshoes”.
You’re saying neither a city reference NOR a direct representation of the nickname.
—Ricko[/quote]
Very few teams even fall into that category, so I guess having them play each other in the Superbowl is notable?
Lets see…
Colts, because they’re not the Horseshoes
Cowboys, because they’re not the Stars
Bills, who aren’t the Buffalos
Saints, because being the Fighting Fleur-de-lises would be silly
Uh..
Eagles? I guess.. the logo is a wing not a bird
Rams?
The whole point of a logo is to be a reference to the team name or city…so, um, yeah.[/quote]
Okay, let’s think about whose helmets actually DEPICT (or spell) the nickname rather than referencing/suggesting it.
Broncos
Ravens
Dolphins
Falcons
Lions
Cardinals
Jaguars
Panthers
Jets
Redskins
Seahawks
Raiders? (yeah, I guess; though very few pirates ever wore a plastic football helmet)
Others?
Rams, Viking, Eagles, Bucs (and others) suggest but don’t depict.
—Ricko[/quote]
steelers?[/quote]
—- you are forgetting that both the Steelers and Raiders spell out their name withing the logo:
link
link
[quote comment=”376164″][quote comment=”376163″]and how large is that patch going to be?
For the patch, they might separate the wordmark from the rest of the logo. Or it could be the wordmark with the trophy (no local backdrop).[/quote]
I suspect the patch will be the same as link – simplified graphic, 2-D, no gradients, NFL shield removed.[/quote]
As smart as they are, SURELY they looked far enough ahead to Super Bowl L to see how it would look in that format.
I picture something either really tiny looking (remove the X and V), something really enlongated (same height, just stretch that L out from one side the the other), or a huge-ass L as big as Lombardi’s trophy (and therefore leaving a huge block of blackness). Are there other options I’m not seeing? Because if there aren’t things could look really silly in the presentation five years from now.
Another uni-related sporcle quiz
NCAA football helmets.
link
good luck.
Paul, how could you not mention the Colts change from striped to solid socks in the ESPN article?
From this: link
To this: link
[quote comment=”376157″][quote comment=”376154″]
This is absolutely terrible. I mean how many host cities does the NFL cycle through? Not that many. So in a matter of a few years time, will we have the same logo over and over again? Also, how will this be turned into a patch? I guess that is the only GOOD thing to come out of this, is maybe the Super Bowl teams won’t have a patch anymore.
[/quote]
Were that remotely possible, I could get behind this new “permanent core design” nonsense.[/quote]
As of right now, there are only 19 venues, and 15 cities that have hosted the Super Bowl. Nine of the venues have only hosted once. Also, there is no way that a Super Bowl will ever be played in a northern open-air stadium. Having said that, I have to ask again if we will have the pseudo-same logo ever few years when the Super Bowl returns to an old venue? I hate having a “template”. The diversity of the Super Bowl logo is what made it special. This is a sad day for the NFL. Oh, and we haven’t even seen the new NFC and AFC Championship trophies yet. Judging from the description, the NFL botched those too.
And to Chance…what are your ties with Sconnie? I love all your blogs, but I guess I never knew why you are so passionate about Wisconsin sports history.
[quote comment=”376151″]The two teams I think of for leading the change to black are the Gretzky era LA Kings and the early 90’s White Sox.[/quote]
Two of the earliest black changes in hockey involved the team matching their colors to other sports teams in their market (Penguins, Kings). The other was Vancouver and their infamous “halloween” jerseys that debuted in 78-79.
As mentioned, Minnesota added black trim to their home jerseys in 81-82, but it took another SEVEN years before they added black to the green road jerseys as well as switch to black pants. So the Stars were the first to add black to their existing design/colors, as opposed to a wholesale image change.
From there it gradually steamrolled, with expansion teams including black in their colors and having black road jerseys, and other teams like Edmonton, Islanders, St. Louis, etc. darkening their existing colors.
-Jet
[quote comment=”376114″][quote comment=”376110″][quote comment=”376106″]Okay, I get the premise now.
They aren’t the Indianapolis “Horseshoes”.
You’re saying neither a city reference NOR a direct representation of the nickname.
—Ricko[/quote]
Very few teams even fall into that category, so I guess having them play each other in the Superbowl is notable?
Lets see…
Colts, because they’re not the Horseshoes
Cowboys, because they’re not the Stars
Bills, who aren’t the Buffalos
Saints, because being the Fighting Fleur-de-lises would be silly
Uh..
Eagles? I guess.. the logo is a wing not a bird
Rams?
The whole point of a logo is to be a reference to the team name or city…so, um, yeah.[/quote]
Okay, let’s think about whose helmets actually DEPICT (or spell) the nickname rather than referencing/suggesting it.
Broncos
Ravens
Dolphins
Falcons
Lions
Cardinals
Jaguars
Panthers
Jets
Redskins
Seahawks
Raiders? (yeah, I guess; though very few pirates ever wore a plastic football helmet)
Others?
Rams, Viking, Eagles, Bucs (and others) suggest but don’t depict.
—Ricko[/quote]
Ummm…Doesn’t the “RAIDERS” on the teams logo actually spell the teams nickname?
[quote comment=”376168″]Another uni-related sporcle quiz
NCAA football helmets.
link
good luck.[/quote]
1:12
I’m happy.
[quote comment=”376173″][quote comment=”376168″]Another uni-related sporcle quiz
NCAA football helmets.
link
good luck.[/quote]
1:12
I’m happy.[/quote]
I could have used “Marty Booker” as a clue
[quote comment=”376168″]Another uni-related sporcle quiz
NCAA football helmets.
link
good luck.[/quote]
Is it me, or is one of those things not like the others?
[quote comment=”376175″][quote comment=”376168″]Another uni-related sporcle quiz
NCAA football helmets.
link
good luck.[/quote]
Is it me, or is one of those things not like the others?[/quote]
Colorado State’s is the only green helmet.
[quote comment=”376174″][quote comment=”376173″][quote comment=”376168″]Another uni-related sporcle quiz
NCAA football helmets.
link
good luck.[/quote]
1:12
I’m happy.[/quote]
I could have used “Marty Booker” as a clue[/quote]
Only one I missed
link
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — The Vince Lombardi trophy will be a permanent fixture on Super Bowl logos from now on.
The trophy itself will get a new regional look, depending on where the game is played.
The changes were announced Thursday when the NFL unveiled the new logo in conjunction with the North Texas Super Bowl host committee.
At next year’s Super Bowl in Dallas, the silver winner’s trophy will also display a silver model of Cowboys Stadium. The NFL says it created a national logo — without the stadium — and a regional one with it.
Though the trophy will remain on future logos, the stadiums will change with each host.
——————-
From what TSN is saying, the actual Lombardi Trophy is changing each year…
[quote comment=”376178″]http://tsn.ca/nfl/story/?id=308924
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — The Vince Lombardi trophy will be a permanent fixture on Super Bowl logos from now on.
The trophy itself will get a new regional look, depending on where the game is played.
The changes were announced Thursday when the NFL unveiled the new logo in conjunction with the North Texas Super Bowl host committee.
At next year’s Super Bowl in Dallas, the silver winner’s trophy will also display a silver model of Cowboys Stadium. The NFL says it created a national logo — without the stadium — and a regional one with it.
Though the trophy will remain on future logos, the stadiums will change with each host.
——————-
From what TSN is saying, the actual Lombardi Trophy is changing each year…[/quote]
Huge mistake. HUGE.
You don’t screw with what’s working.
[quote comment=”376170″][quote comment=”376157″][quote comment=”376154″]
This is absolutely terrible. I mean how many host cities does the NFL cycle through? Not that many. So in a matter of a few years time, will we have the same logo over and over again? Also, how will this be turned into a patch? I guess that is the only GOOD thing to come out of this, is maybe the Super Bowl teams won’t have a patch anymore.
[/quote]
Also, there is no way that a Super Bowl will ever be played in a northern open-air stadium. [/quote]
Unless NY/NJ wins the bid for 2014.
[quote comment=”376122″][quote comment=”376120″]link
So they’re going to use the same “permanent core design” for all Super Bowl logos now? Bad idea, even if the core design wasn’t awful – the variety of Super Bowl logos is one of the best things about them. You can read so many things into a good Super Bowl logo, including location and era.[/quote]
All things shall be subservient to the NFL brand.
Take the host city out of the SB logo.
Is meaningless compared to promoting and protecting the brand.
(Unsolicited piece of advice for NFL: Remember the last time you stopped playing? Took better part of three years for Sunday TV ratings to get back to their former level. People discovered there were plenty of other things to do on an Autumn Sunday afternoon. So, before you get so full of yourselves, make damn sure there’s NFL football in 2011. Cuz right now it doesn’t look like there’s going to be. And on the road back, you’ll find your farts DON’T smell like roses…as you think they do now).
—Ricko[/quote]
Amen, brother Ricko.
[quote comment=”376177″][quote comment=”376174″][quote comment=”376173″][quote comment=”376168″]Another uni-related sporcle quiz
NCAA football helmets.
link
good luck.[/quote]
1:12
I’m happy.[/quote]
I could have used “Marty Booker” as a clue[/quote]
Only one I missed[/quote]
Even Marty Booker is no clue for me…so that’s no help. I may or may not have got that one right.
Only one I missed was, well, I almost posted an answer that I shouldn’t. Glad I caught myself. But I had heard of the school but not their mascot nor ever seen their helmet.
[quote comment=”376158″][quote comment=”376149″][quote comment=”376062″]for anyone who doesn’t know tom dempsey’s story, it’s a fascinating one
he was also born without a link and faced all kinds of ridicule and scorn growing up
im pretty sure he is “ok” with the use of the term paul used (pc or not), and in one of the best FU moments ever, kicked what was then (and i believe is still — i think jason elam tied him) the longest field goal in NFL history …
did you know that after the fact, there were players and coaches from opposing teams who wanted to BAN dempsey’s special kicking shoe, claiming a guy with half a foot had an advantage?
too bad dempsey didn’t say, “well, if you’d like to cut off half your foot to gain the same advantage, you’re welcome to”[/quote]
Yes, Dempsey (one of the inspirations for the 19 in JimV19) is tied with Elam for the longest field goal. What a contrast – Elam kicked his in the mile-high city and Dempsey kicked his…what is N’Orleans…eight feet under sea level?
Anyway, speaking of one of my favorite subjects, dig this:
link
“Dempsey was born with half a right foot and with no right hand. He was fitted with an artificial foot in childhood, and it is with that wooden foot, encased in a modified football shoe, that he kicked field goals and extra points.” Just quoting from that article that he actually kicked with a wooden foot? That does seem to be an advantage.[/quote]
I think the writer meant to say he used that in his childhood, because from the accompanying photo you can see there’s only half a foot/shoe there.
OK, I think this is a photo of link at the opening game in 1947. (1947 is the only year the Pirates wore the unis with that script Pittsburgh.)
Two questions:
– Does that Cubs hat look light in color?
– Anyone know how the anti-stirrups the Cubs were wearing then were put together?
[quote comment=”376178″]http://tsn.ca/nfl/story/?id=308924
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — The Vince Lombardi trophy will be a permanent fixture on Super Bowl logos from now on.
The trophy itself will get a new regional look, depending on where the game is played.
The changes were announced Thursday when the NFL unveiled the new logo in conjunction with the North Texas Super Bowl host committee.
At next year’s Super Bowl in Dallas, the silver winner’s trophy will also display a silver model of Cowboys Stadium. The NFL says it created a national logo — without the stadium — and a regional one with it.
Though the trophy will remain on future logos, the stadiums will change with each host.
——————-
From what TSN is saying, the actual Lombardi Trophy is changing each year…[/quote]
That’s the Associated Press text that’s also on the NFL’s website: link
This is even worse than thought if, in fact, the Lombardi trophy will get a “regionalized” look each year. The trophy is iconic. It’s simple and powerful. WHY change it?
As for the logo, going with the “core” logo element is just another way to save a buck while picking the pockets of die-hard fans even more every year. For example, people attending this year’s game will be able to listen to the radio broadcasts (Colts, Saints or Westwood One) in the stadium…provided that they spend $20 on an official NFL radio sold in the stadium.
I’m just happy the Saints were able to grab the Halas trophy before they completely ruin that as well.
Chad Todd. Great find with London 1927 colour film.
They did have some too bad they did not use that to film Red Grange or other American football in the 1920’s
[quote comment=”376170″] Also, there is no way that a Super Bowl will ever be played in a northern open-air stadium. [/quote]
Really?
Maybe so, but link has this:
“To accommodate a 2014 bid from the New York-New Jersey area, the NFL has ominously waived its standard Super Bowl requirement of 50-degree weather or a climate controlled stadium.”
Doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. But “never” is a strong word. I would think that other than New York or Snyder’s playpen in DC (just because of the capacity), it would be highly, highly unlikely.
Also, “right now it doesn’t look like there’s going to be NFL football in 2011” is hyper-reactionary. That’s 19 months away. Simmah down nah.
[quote comment=”376047″]Speaking of Dempsey’s kick, here’s video of it (which I’ve just asked my editor to add to the ESPN piece):
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Don’t know if the Hall of Fame still has it, but there used to be a phone where you could pick it up and listen to that call. That was one of my earliest childhood memories. The first time I went there I spent the most time at that exhibit. Notice the announcer says “National League” instead of “National Football League”?
Really good article, Paul. I agree – the Saints would look better with gold numbers. And call me a uni heretic, but I liked the Colts’ dabbling with gray and the blue pants. Don’t get me wrong, the current uni is beautiful, but once the Colts moved to Indy I felt they were under no obligation to keep things just as they were. If they went back to either look I would have absolutely no problem with that. Also wouldn’t mind this helmet: link
The long goodbye to Giants Stadium begins:
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According to my preliminary research, Whitney has been wearing his jersey sans NHL logo since December 2008. I haven’t pinpointed the exact date, but the first game I found that definitively shows him not wearing it is link.
I’m hunting for more pictures, but he hasn’t worn it for over a year now.
so lemme just ask, since I’m having a hard time visualizing…are the new AFC/NFC trophies (will they still be called Lamar Hunt and George Halas?) going to look like mini Lombardi trophies (kinda like how the Finals MVP trophy looks kinda like the Larry Obrien trophy in the NBA?), or will it just be a football shaped trophy? because I’m picturing something that almost looks like the BCS national Championship trophy only made of silver instead of crystal…
Sorry about the rambling rant, but this whole thing is comming as a bit of a shock to the system…I know it sounds funny, but as an artist, and a huge fan of the NFL, I dont understand the logic behind any of this…I mean, okay update the playoff logos every couple of years, I get it…but why would they not want to continue to roll out a different and unique Super bowl logo every year…and why oh why for the love of all things decent would they want to mess with the Lombardi trophy by putting a stadium on it (holdup, is it gonna be a picture of the host stadium, like engraved on the trophy? or will they have like a little sculpture of the stadium be incorporated into the trophy somehow, like at the base or something?) I mean it’s the frickin Lombardi trophy, one of the most coveted prizes in all of professional sports…some things NEED to be left alone…but that’s topic for another discussion I guess…
[quote comment=”376156″]non-uni, breaking ketchup news
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“plus it holds three times as much ketchup than a traditional packet.”
like fingers on a chalkboard
[quote comment=”376190″]The long goodbye to Giants Stadium begins:
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…and Jimmy Hoffa’s rolling over in his grave.
[quote comment=”376193″][quote comment=”376156″]non-uni, breaking ketchup news
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“plus it holds three times as much ketchup than a traditional packet.”
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So, conversely, a traditional packet holds three times less ketchup as the newfangled ones?
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Gold numbers for Saints looked great
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That leather helmet with the facemask might more accurately be described as a leather helmet with a
“noseguard,” worn mostly by players who’d broken their noses or had other facial injuries (these were commonly seen in the pre-plastic helmet days). Unfortunately, such noseguards were also convenient take-down handles for tacklers. :(
R.I.P. Bill Dudley
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re: the new Super Bowl logo/branding/brainwashing. Has anyone noticed the removal of city names from the hype? Endless yammering about “going to South Florida” this year. “North Texas” on the logos for next year. I know Cowboy Palace isn’t in Dallas proper, but isn’t this getting to be a bit of overkill?
And good luck to Scott
Paul, I’m with you on the white jerseys with the gold numbers outlined in black for the Saints. They really look great that way. I also prefer the Raiders with the silver numbers outlined in black on their white jerseys for the same general reason.
[quote comment=”376203″]Paul, I’m with you on the white jerseys with the gold numbers outlined in black for the Saints. They really look great that way. I also prefer the Raiders with the silver numbers outlined in black on their white jerseys for the same general reason.[/quote]
Agreed. Both of those looks are absolutely fantastic in my opinion. Black and white is always so drab.
ESPN Classic has had some different old college games on the past few weeks.
Today they had Ohio State at UCLA in 1975. Color on color game. Ohio State had those plain mesh red jerseys. UCLA wore blue.
[quote comment=”376194″][quote comment=”376190″]The long goodbye to Giants Stadium begins:
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And if he’s actually somewhere there, they’ll probably find him since they’re not just imploding.
We’ll finally have confirmation one way or the other. But I doubt he’s there. The bottom of the lake in some old quarry is much more likely.
Seattle is the emmer-effing bomb. I wish it was me!
[quote comment=”376188″]Also, “right now it doesn’t look like there’s going to be NFL football in 2011” is hyper-reactionary. That’s 19 months away. Simmah down nah.[/quote]
You paying attention to things?
[quote comment=”376206″][quote comment=”376194″][quote comment=”376190″]The long goodbye to Giants Stadium begins:
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And if he’s actually somewhere there, they’ll probably find him since they’re not just imploding.
We’ll finally have confirmation one way or the other. But I doubt he’s there. The bottom of the lake in some old quarry is much more likely.[/quote]
I prefer a bucket of lye. They’d never find him.
[quote comment=”376191″]According to my preliminary research, Whitney has been wearing his jersey sans NHL logo since December 2008. I haven’t pinpointed the exact date, but the first game I found that definitively shows him not wearing it is link.
I’m hunting for more pictures, but he hasn’t worn it for over a year now.[/quote]
Yea it still does look like he’s cutting it out.
Wonder if any other NHLers do this or if it’s a one-player only thing.
[quote comment=”376210″][quote comment=”376191″]According to my preliminary research, Whitney has been wearing his jersey sans NHL logo since December 2008. I haven’t pinpointed the exact date, but the first game I found that definitively shows him not wearing it is link.
I’m hunting for more pictures, but he hasn’t worn it for over a year now.[/quote]
Yea it still does look like he’s cutting it out.
Wonder if any other NHLers do this or if it’s a one-player only thing.[/quote]
Ray Whitney is the only one I’ve noticed, but he is on the canes, so I see enough of him.
I’ve got a logo question of preference for you. I’m a student here at FIU in Miami, and I’ve noticed that our school has changed its logos qutie a few times in a short span. This has lead to ton of different logos all over the place for everything. Which one is the best?
Logo from 1998-2003ish: link
Logo from 2003ish to 2008: link
Logo from 2008 to present: link
Personally, I think the 2003 to 2008 one was better due to its simplicity, and I liked the “shield”, but apparently students complained that it was “dull” and not “mean enough”. :\
[quote comment=”376212″]I’ve got a logo question of preference for you. I’m a student here at FIU in Miami, and I’ve noticed that our school has changed its logos qutie a few times in a short span. This has lead to ton of different logos all over the place for everything. Which one is the best?
Logo from 1998-2003ish: link
Logo from 2003ish to 2008: link
Logo from 2008 to present: link
Personally, I think the 2003 to 2008 one was better due to its simplicity, and I liked the “shield”, but apparently students complained that it was “dull” and not “mean enough”. :\[/quote]
I think you’ll find that the majority here agree with you. Meaner logos often lead to worse logos.
[quote comment=”376201″]re: the new Super Bowl logo/branding/brainwashing. Has anyone noticed the removal of city names from the hype? Endless yammering about “going to South Florida” this year. “North Texas” on the logos for next year. I know Cowboy Palace isn’t in Dallas proper, but isn’t this getting to be a bit of overkill?[/quote]
Old news, it started a few years back for Super Bowl XLI when Indy played Chicago in Miami. That, too makes no sense.
[quote comment=”376208″][quote comment=”376188″]Also, “right now it doesn’t look like there’s going to be NFL football in 2011” is hyper-reactionary. That’s 19 months away. Simmah down nah.[/quote]
You paying attention to things?[/quote]
you’re both right…it IS a long way away, but right now, the owners are in such a piss poor mood that they’re not even gonna TALK with the players until after the uncapped season next year
/leverage…lets see if it works
one thing’s for certain, i think both sides want to take care of the old players in the next CBA, now that the dearly departed mr. upshaw is out of the way
that’s about the only agreement you’re gonna see in the next 10 months
[quote comment=”376112″]Scott M.X. (and also his friend Cort) was an outstanding contributor on the old Fanhome board. I always enjoyed his insight and uniform concepts tremendously.
Congratulations on your new gig, Scott! And Seattle in the summertime is about the nicest place on Earth.[/quote]
Scott MX, Cort MC, pflava….throw in concealed78 and myself and we’ve got a Fanhome quorum.
Welcome to Seattle, Scott.
[quote comment=”376213″]I think you’ll find that the majority here agree with you. Meaner logos often lead to worse logos.[/quote]
Exactly.
I mean, what’s wrong with a smiling mascot?
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[quote comment=”376209″]I prefer a bucket of lye. They’d never find him.[/quote]
Remind me not to tick you off…
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Fantastic uni.
And look – sleeves, too!
[quote comment=”376208″][quote comment=”376188″]Also, “right now it doesn’t look like there’s going to be NFL football in 2011” is hyper-reactionary. That’s 19 months away. Simmah down nah.[/quote]
You paying attention to things?[/quote]
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Bull Durham is on and there is a scene that reminded me of the old time playographs. When the team is on a road trip, the Durham radio announcer is broadcasting the plays that are phoned into him. As each play is phoned in, a woman writes what happened and shows him, he then knocks a piece of wood for a batting sound effect and then plays a sound bite of a crowd cheering. Is this something that was common in the minor leagues or are they just making a joke about the team not having the funds to actually send a broadcaster to the games?
[quote comment=”376221″]Bull Durham is on and there is a scene that reminded me of the old time playographs. When the team is on a road trip, the Durham radio announcer is broadcasting the plays that are phoned into him. As each play is phoned in, a woman writes what happened and shows him, he then knocks a piece of wood for a batting sound effect and then plays a sound bite of a crowd cheering. Is this something that was common in the minor leagues or are they just making a joke about the team not having the funds to actually send a broadcaster to the games?[/quote]
I have heard Ernie Harwell talking about doing that same thing back in the day. In fact, I believe he talked to Costas about it on the MLB Network. He said they would lose connection and what he had described as a prefectly sunny day and just turned into a rain delay.
[quote comment=”376222″][quote comment=”376221″]Bull Durham is on and there is a scene that reminded me of the old time playographs. When the team is on a road trip, the Durham radio announcer is broadcasting the plays that are phoned into him. As each play is phoned in, a woman writes what happened and shows him, he then knocks a piece of wood for a batting sound effect and then plays a sound bite of a crowd cheering. Is this something that was common in the minor leagues or are they just making a joke about the team not having the funds to actually send a broadcaster to the games?[/quote]
I have heard Ernie Harwell talking about doing that same thing back in the day. In fact, I believe he talked to Costas about it on the MLB Network. He said they would lose connection and what he had described as a prefectly sunny day and just turned into a rain delay.[/quote]
Yes, it was that interview. This is from an article on the Costas interview
Harwell recalling the old time broadcasting tradition of recreations, which meant announcers weren’t at the game, but would call the game based on telegraph reports, embellishing and sometimes making up facts to fill the time.
[quote comment=”376218″][quote comment=”376209″]I prefer a bucket of lye. They’d never find him.[/quote]
Remind me not to tick you off…[/quote]
Highly recommended. ;D
[quote comment=”376212″]I’ve got a logo question of preference for you. I’m a student here at FIU in Miami, and I’ve noticed that our school has changed its logos qutie a few times in a short span. This has lead to ton of different logos all over the place for everything. Which one is the best?
Logo from 1998-2003ish: link
Logo from 2003ish to 2008: link
Logo from 2008 to present: link
Personally, I think the 2003 to 2008 one was better due to its simplicity, and I liked the “shield”, but apparently students complained that it was “dull” and not “mean enough”. :\[/quote]
Logo 1: Design travesty.
Logo 2: I like it, but to me, every time I see it, I wonder why I can only see one leg. It bothers me quite a bit.
Logo 3: I actually like it. It doesn’t seem to be too fierce.
[quote comment=”376225″][quote comment=”376212″]I’ve got a logo question of preference for you. I’m a student here at FIU in Miami, and I’ve noticed that our school has changed its logos qutie a few times in a short span. This has lead to ton of different logos all over the place for everything. Which one is the best?
Logo from 1998-2003ish: link
Logo from 2003ish to 2008: link
Logo from 2008 to present: link
Personally, I think the 2003 to 2008 one was better due to its simplicity, and I liked the “shield”, but apparently students complained that it was “dull” and not “mean enough”. :\[/quote]
Logo 1: Design travesty.
Logo 2: I like it, but to me, every time I see it, I wonder why I can only see one leg. It bothers me quite a bit.
Logo 3: I actually like it. It doesn’t seem to be too fierce.[/quote]
I don’t think its too bad, it could be worse. They kept the same basic element of the 2nd logo. Having changed the logo recently, I don’t know why they felt it was necessary to do it again. What I don’t like is that now the new logo is superimposed on everything. Rather than something simple and classy like link they put the whole thing on the helmet which looks clumsy link
[quote comment=”376221″]Bull Durham is on and there is a scene that reminded me of the old time playographs. When the team is on a road trip, the Durham radio announcer is broadcasting the plays that are phoned into him. As each play is phoned in, a woman writes what happened and shows him, he then knocks a piece of wood for a batting sound effect and then plays a sound bite of a crowd cheering. Is this something that was common in the minor leagues or are they just making a joke about the team not having the funds to actually send a broadcaster to the games?[/quote]
Apparently it was done in the major leagues, too:
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[quote comment=”376088″]Questions for the Uni-heads…
Which of the four sports (baseball, football, basketball, hockey) was the first to start the trend toward black-themed unis?
And which was the first team in each of the four sports to adopt a black-themed uni?
By “black-themed”, I mean a team added that color to their official team colors (examples: NY Mets- blue and orange, or NHL Calgary Flames – red, gold, white, — both added black trim to standard unis as well as adopting black alternate unis) or they altered the hue of their official colors to make them darker (example: Dallas Stars were originally the bright green of the Minnesota North Stars and later “blackened” the green).
Have at it.
-Jet[/quote]
All I know is the Royals added black like a hundred years after it became all the rage.
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I absolutely love this helmet. Not your traditional decal placements, just superb. Now, is that a dark navy blue?
[quote comment=”376228″][quote comment=”376088″]Questions for the Uni-heads…
Which of the four sports (baseball, football, basketball, hockey) was the first to start the trend toward black-themed unis?
And which was the first team in each of the four sports to adopt a black-themed uni?
By “black-themed”, I mean a team added that color to their official team colors (examples: NY Mets- blue and orange, or NHL Calgary Flames – red, gold, white, — both added black trim to standard unis as well as adopting black alternate unis) or they altered the hue of their official colors to make them darker (example: Dallas Stars were originally the bright green of the Minnesota North Stars and later “blackened” the green).
Have at it.
-Jet[/quote]
All I know is the Royals added black like a hundred years after it became all the rage.[/quote]
Are you saying that Dayton Moore can’t be blamed for this?
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I absolutely love this helmet. Not your traditional decal placements, just superb. Now, is that a dark navy blue?[/quote]
Some of the repros I’ve seen had more of a royal blue. However, I love the dark navy blue possibility.
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On a similar note, why in the hell did the Vikings go to a lighter purple? That darker purple helmet was the bomb diggity.
Of course I couldn’t see this photo today, since I’m Flickr fucked at work.
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Nice job putting that together, and excellent writeup Paul.
[quote comment=”376230″][quote comment=”376228″][quote comment=”376088″]Questions for the Uni-heads…
Which of the four sports (baseball, football, basketball, hockey) was the first to start the trend toward black-themed unis?
And which was the first team in each of the four sports to adopt a black-themed uni?
By “black-themed”, I mean a team added that color to their official team colors (examples: NY Mets- blue and orange, or NHL Calgary Flames – red, gold, white, — both added black trim to standard unis as well as adopting black alternate unis) or they altered the hue of their official colors to make them darker (example: Dallas Stars were originally the bright green of the Minnesota North Stars and later “blackened” the green).
Have at it.
-Jet[/quote]
All I know is the Royals added black like a hundred years after it became all the rage.[/quote]
Are you saying that Dayton Moore can’t be blamed for this?[/quote]
Jerry Glanville’s Falcons. He liked to wear black Johnny Cash style and decided it needed to be the dominant color to make them more intimidating. Yes, it was already a team color but he made the unis black dominant instead of red dominant.
More love for Adam Richman and his “I still call it Joe Robbie” shirt on Page2
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This guy HAS to be a Uni Watch fan. Does he have a Twitter game? Anyone follow him on Twitter and can ask him?
[quote comment=”376233″][quote comment=”376230″][quote comment=”376228″][quote comment=”376088″]Questions for the Uni-heads…
Which of the four sports (baseball, football, basketball, hockey) was the first to start the trend toward black-themed unis?
And which was the first team in each of the four sports to adopt a black-themed uni?
By “black-themed”, I mean a team added that color to their official team colors (examples: NY Mets- blue and orange, or NHL Calgary Flames – red, gold, white, — both added black trim to standard unis as well as adopting black alternate unis) or they altered the hue of their official colors to make them darker (example: Dallas Stars were originally the bright green of the Minnesota North Stars and later “blackened” the green).
Have at it.
-Jet[/quote]
All I know is the Royals added black like a hundred years after it became all the rage.[/quote]
Are you saying that Dayton Moore can’t be blamed for this?[/quote]
Jerry Glanville’s Falcons. He liked to wear black Johnny Cash style and decided it needed to be the dominant color to make them more intimidating. Yes, it was already a team color but he made the unis black dominant instead of red dominant.[/quote]
Dayton Moore did used to work for the Braves…