Snow game for the ages yesterday in Buffalo. I’ve put together a bunch of good photos here — is that how winter football’s supposed to look or what? And check it out, Dallas Clark still went bare-handed, snow or no snow. Also: Take a close look at that Justin Snow photo shown above — is the top of the “4” on his helmet chipped, or is that part of their decal font? (Update: Decal maven Chris Willis tells me it’s “the same decal they’ve used for about 20 years — it doesn’t match their uniform font.”)
Good thing nothing uni-notable happened during the Giants/Vikes game. The very thought of showing anything from that domed game would have been an insult to the beauty of the snow game in Buffalo, am I right?
In other games:
• Chris Johnson tore his jersey while setting that record yesterday. (My thanks to Aaron Wiens for the screen shot.)
• I was watching yesterday’s Eagles/Cowboys game with my upstairs neighbor Sam. He immediately noticed when the umpire got knocked down on a play and tore his jersey. “That’s the kind of thing you write about, right?” asked Sam. “Yeah,” I said. “I guarantee you that one of my readers is taking a screen shot at this very moement.” And sure enough, Aaron Wiens got this one (the umpire is the one kneeling). One of the other officials tried to put the wayward flap back in place, but I think the gash remained for the rest of the game.
• More and more players are wearing no whites at all. As I’ve said before, the NFL is going to have to reassess sock protocol, because what you have now is a total mish-mash of styles. Many players aren’t even wearing socks — they’re wearing calf sleeves, tights, or hosiery extensions sewn into their pant cuffs. You can’t regulate a uni element when it comes in so many different physical formats, and that’s before you start dealing with the players’ fashion preferences. NFL people, I know you’re reading this — please either enforce the existing rules or come up with new ones that make sense, because the current system is a mess.
• Why were the officials wearing their cold-weather slacks in Oakland, where it was sunny and about 60 degrees?
• The Rams no longer wear their shoulder horns, but their cheerleaders do.
• One of Alan Faneca’s helmet decals came off in the bitter cold last night. (Credit Chris Cocuzza with the screen shot.)
• The virtues of the wonderful American educational system were on full display in Houston. (Screen shot courtesy of David Cline.)
• Has Fox been using these striped mic covers all along, or are those new for the new year? I definitely hadn’t noticed them before yesterday. (Screen shot by me, for a change.)
And that closes out the regular season schedule of Monday Morning Uni Watch. Let’s hope the Cardinals don’t go the blood clot route next weekend.
Striped Sleeve Update: Remember those great 1956 Portland Beavers striped undersleeves? Bob Halfacre is still working on getting them manufactured for us, and he says the price is shaping up in the $45 to $50 range (getting the stripes done domestically is pricey). I’ve already been in touch with many of you to ask if you’ll still be on board at this price point. If anyone else wants in, now is the time to tell me. I’m not asking you to commit to an order, but we’re trying to gauge how many people are interested. If that’s you, please speak up. Thanks.
Meanwhile, Ian Borkowski couldn’t wait — he went ahead and made his own DIY version. Outstanding!
Deep Freeze Update: Thank the lordy we didn’t all convene in Minnesota this past weekend, when daytime temps dipped below zero. Let’s hope things are a tad balmier for the Uni Watch Deep Freeze, which will take place in the Twin Cities on January 22nd-24th. Assuming we haven’t all died of hypothermia, I’m calling for a Uni Watch party on Friday the 22nd, 8pm, at the downtown location of Grumpy’s, where reader David Gardner has reserved the “City Club” room for us — thanks, man. (Grumpy’s, incidentally, is owned by Tom Hazelmyer, a name that will strike a loud, dissonant chord with those of you who speak indie-rock.)
Uni Watch News Ticker: I know Terry Proctor will get a kick out of this history of Spanjian Sportswear, and hopefully the rest of you will too (big thanks to Dave Grob). ”¦ Really interesting item here: a series of cards devoted to Denver ballparks (nice find by Harvey Lee). ”¦ Matthew Porges was in Baltimore for New Year’s Eve and noticed that the de-icing salt at the Towson Town Centre Mall was purple! Yo, Joe Hilseberg and Jack Crabbe and all you other Baltimore folks, is that a Ravens thing? ”¦ It’s bad enough to wear a solid-pink uni for breast cancer awareness, but, as a post on the Chris Creamer board points out, it’s even worse to do it when you’re facing the Quad City Mallards. ”¦ Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: Jim Zorn may be out of a job today, but nobody can take away the amazing striped shoulder yoke he wore in high school. ”¦ Not bad, but everyone knows the Cowboys have never used a black facemask. ”¦ It’s over a month old, but there’s a good article about NFL players not wearing leg pads here (with thanks to Mike Burnett). ”¦ Bryan Boltik notes that the LSU hoops team added a jersey patch on Saturday. He’s not sure what it’s for, and neither am I. Anyone..? ”¦ Looks like Iowa is getting riflery gloves for the Orange Bowl (as forwarded by Jesse Gavin). ”¦ Les Motherby has written his annual Hull City kit review (which features a spectacular side-by-side comparison of two ways to style the longest NOB in sports).
Why did the Refs wear black pants in Oakland?
That’s easy. In order to make sure that the Raiders didn’t screw up the Ravens playoff chances. The Refs wore the black pants to confuse Jamarcus Russell more than he already is. Since he’s obviously half blind (why else would be be so completely unable to throw an accurate pass?), with the Refs in black pants & white shirts and the Ravens in black pants & white jerseys, Russell can’t tell if a receiver is covered or if it’s just a referee in the general area – thus leading to more time wasted standing in the pocket to get sacked and fumble.
As to the purple stuff on Baltimore streets its beets!
Tennessee will use beet juice mixture on wintry roads
“A pulp that is left over when sugar is sucked out of beets will be mixed with salt and brine and spread on some icy Tennessee roads this winter.”
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Regarding Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink, here’s a pic of the straight across the back style he used when he played for Celtic.
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The company that manufactures the NOB and number sets for much of Europe did introduce a smaller scale font for such scenarios although it’s very rarely seen.
Oakland QB (?) JaMarcus Russell wore gloves on both hands:
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[quote comment=”370090″]Why did the Refs wear black pants in Oakland?
That’s easy. In order to make sure that the Raiders didn’t screw up the Ravens playoff chances. The Refs wore the black pants to confuse Jamarcus Russell more than he already is. Since he’s obviously half blind (why else would be be so completely unable to throw an accurate pass?), with the Refs in black pants & white shirts and the Ravens in black pants & white jerseys, Russell can’t tell if a receiver is covered or if it’s just a referee in the general area – thus leading to more time wasted standing in the pocket to get sacked and fumble.[/quote]
I thought it was weird they wore pants, too. But I noticed that they all wore the long sleeve shirts and most had pushed their sleeves up to their elbows by the 2nd quarter. Gave them a very blue collar look.
As long as you are going after the NFL for the sock debacle, PLEASE go after them to fix the cleat disaster! If you think socks are all over the board, just look at the cleats and the pain grows worse. Both black and white cleat teams seem to have no idea (or simply don’t care) what they put on their feet. Cleats with 1/2 White and team color, 1/2 black and white, 1/2 black and color, colored cleats (ex. Saints players in all gold or Bengals players in all orange), black cleat teams with guys wearing almost all white cleats, white cleat teams with guys wearing almost all colored (not black) cleats. It’s a train wreck! FIX IT Commissioner Goodell! The uni rules on cleats don’t help. They are a mess too! Too vague and too forgiving. The players don’t look like pros when they go all rogue with their socks and cleats, they look like dorks.
Arizona Cardinals/Fiesta Bowl grounds crew had a long night last night, any word on a time lapse video? those things are pretty sweet!
can someone refresh my memory, USF had a #10 decal on their helmet, I noticed this in the International Bowl. What is that for?
I know the NFL umpire that was involved in the incident yesterday. Bill Schuster is a native of my hometown-Livonia, NY. Bill was a three-sport athlete at Livonia High School and went on to be a four-year starter at tight end for D-III Alfred University. For the last three years of Bill’s college career the Alfred QB was his younger brother Bobby. Bill stands 6’3″ and goes well over 200 lbs. so he’s pretty much able to handle himself right in the thick of the action.
Justin Snow’s decal wasn’t chipped, that is just the typeface for the Colts’ helmet decals.
The colored de-icer products have been marketed to help one see where it has been applied so as to avoid over application.
Different formulations with calcium/magnesium/sodium chloride come in varying colors. Not sure what brand it is, but at the link below, purple is sodium chloride which is graded to 20 degrees melting power, which would be about adequate for Maryland winters.
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Paul, please go after MLB on the socks too. Players should have to wear socks or stirrups, period. Go low, go high, whatever, just wear something.
[quote comment=”370093″]Oakland QB (?) JaMarcus Russell[/quote]
heh
[quote comment=”370103″]Paul, please go after MLB on the socks too. Players should have to wear socks or stirrups, period. Go low, go high, whatever, just wear something.[/quote]
But if that happens, the players might think about the team first, rather than themselves. The horror.
[quote comment=”370103″]Paul, please go after MLB on the socks too. Players should have to wear socks or stirrups, period. Go low, go high, whatever, just wear something.[/quote]
They all do wear socks. The problem is how they wear their pants.
[quote comment=”370106″][quote comment=”370103″]Paul, please go after MLB on the socks too. Players should have to wear socks or stirrups, period. Go low, go high, whatever, just wear something.[/quote]
They all do wear socks. The problem is how they wear their pants.[/quote]
Well, yes. More precisely, the colored socks (or stirrups) should be visible.
On another note, it’s great to see games played in snow. It’s just a shame they have to be played on synthetic turf. That stuff really looks bad under the lights too.
[quote comment=”370092″]Regarding Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink, here’s a pic of the straight across the back style he used when he played for Celtic.
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The company that manufactures the NOB and number sets for much of Europe did introduce a smaller scale font for such scenarios although it’s very rarely seen.[/quote]
Don’t forget Celtic would also have it circle the number as well.
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If anyone is coming to Minneapolis in a few weeks, link if you need a hotel room. $69 per night at a newly-renovated hotel with pool and exercise facility.
I am sending the contract off today. Also, for those of you who want to book your own hotel room or already have booked, can you email me as well?
Thanks!
[quote comment=”370108″][quote comment=”370106″][quote comment=”370103″]Paul, please go after MLB on the socks too. Players should have to wear socks or stirrups, period. Go low, go high, whatever, just wear something.[/quote]
They all do wear socks. The problem is how they wear their pants.[/quote]
Well, yes. More precisely, the colored socks (or stirrups) should be visible.
On another note, it’s great to see games played in snow. It’s just a shame they have to be played on synthetic turf. That stuff really looks bad under the lights too.[/quote]
This is one of my favorite parts of baseball. I find teams that all wear high socks or all wear pajama bottoms looks visually boring. I don’t have issue with mandating sock vs stirrup but don’t mandate pant leg height. High or low is a superstitious part of baseball, guys that are in slumps change it up sometimes, and I absolutely love that aspect. It’s great to see someone typically low-clad pull them for a game to two to try and break a slump.
Are the Chargers changing helmets for the playoffs??
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2010 is LSU’s 150th Anniversary, and I guess the sports teams will be sporting a patch for it.
More here:
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[quote comment=”370102″]The colored de-icer products have been marketed to help one see where it has been applied so as to avoid over application.
Different formulations with calcium/magnesium/sodium chloride come in varying colors. Not sure what brand it is, but at the link below, purple is sodium chloride which is graded to 20 degrees melting power, which would be about adequate for Maryland winters.
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Yeah they started using an salt-beet juice mix in various Chicago suburbs to cut down on costs. It makes your windshield messy.
just experience how boring ford field is in this shot. no life at all, just a bunch of green:
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[quote comment=”370112″]Are the Chargers changing helmets for the playoffs??
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not only that, but it’s not necessarily correct — if the #6 seed from either bracket wins, that seed plays the #1…so they shouldn’t draw the brackets in, as it’s definitely misleading and possibly incorrect
Good call on Grumpy’s… Make sure to work your way through the various varieties of link that they have.
It’s the same weekend, but too bad that link event to check out.
[quote comment=”370116″][quote comment=”370112″]Are the Chargers changing helmets for the playoffs??
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not only that, but it’s not necessarily correct — if the #6 seed from either bracket wins, that seed plays the #1…so they shouldn’t draw the brackets in, as it’s definitely misleading and possibly incorrect[/quote]
It must have been done by the same graphics person who does the opening to MNF.
[quote comment=”370111″][quote comment=”370108″][quote comment=”370106″][quote comment=”370103″]Paul, please go after MLB on the socks too. Players should have to wear socks or stirrups, period. Go low, go high, whatever, just wear something.[/quote]
They all do wear socks. The problem is how they wear their pants.[/quote]
Well, yes. More precisely, the colored socks (or stirrups) should be visible.
On another note, it’s great to see games played in snow. It’s just a shame they have to be played on synthetic turf. That stuff really looks bad under the lights too.[/quote]
This is one of my favorite parts of baseball. I find teams that all wear high socks or all wear pajama bottoms looks visually boring. I don’t have issue with mandating sock vs stirrup but don’t mandate pant leg height. High or low is a superstitious part of baseball, guys that are in slumps change it up sometimes, and I absolutely love that aspect. It’s great to see someone typically low-clad pull them for a game to two to try and break a slump.[/quote]
You’re absolutely right.
Since the late ’50s-early ’60s (when players like Frank Robinson and Willie Mays began pulling their stirrups higher to reveal more white sanitary sock) MLB has pretty much looked the other way regarding how players chose to feel most comfortable from the knees down. And during the years since, styles and trends have come and gone.
Granted, individual teams will have their manager-ordered or front-office-dictated styles from time to time (Big Red Machine, ’80’s Giants, Griffith Twins with first “TC” logo on socks).
But, after almost 50 years of latitude it’s a little hard to believe MLB will suddenly look around and say, “Damn, we just noticed we’ve got a problem!!!”
Besides, umpires long, long ago said they didn’t think enforcing regs regarding stirrup height was their job. Can’t imagine they’d accept that responsibility now. So, that would mean uni cops in baseball, too.
It’s just not gonna happen, folks, not on a league-wide basis, anyway.
—Ricko
Don’t know if it was already mentioned but during the Northwestern/Auburn game on NYD, late in the fourth quarter, a referee threw two separate flags on the same play, I always thought they only had one flag in their pocket and threw their cap for another infraction, but this guy actually had two flags in his pocket.
Yes, that’s what winter football should look like, but only the Colts looked like they belonged. Is that the Bills as the other team? I don’t follow football anymore so can’t even tell; modern football unis are a horror show.
Ian B – great job on the Beaver sleeves!!!!
You’d think someone with the Cardinals would realize the monochrome cherry makes them look like the Ragin’ Redbirds of HayBailer High (total enrollment 112, and “a real powerhouse in 9-man ever since the Smedberg boys–Lyle and Elwood–moved t’ town cuz their Daddy took a job over t’ the rendering plant”).
Then again, it IS the Bidwells. Cardinals are like the Twins of the NFL. Apparently have absolutely no innate sense of style or taste, so if someone tells them something looks great, they just assume it’s true.
—Ricko
The inaugural Skip Prosser Classic was last night between Wake Forest and Xavier. Both teams wore a special patch, and the logo was also link.
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[quote comment=”370122″]You’d think someone with the Cardinals would realize the monochrome cherry makes them look like the Ragin’ Redbirds of HayBailer High (total enrollment 112, and “a real powerhouse in 9-man ever since the Smedberg boys–Lyle and Elwood–moved t’ town cuz their Daddy took a job over t’ the rendering plant”).
Then again, it IS the Bidwells. Cardinals are like the Twins of the NFL. Apparently have absolutely no innate sense of style or taste, so if someone tells them something looks great, they just assume it’s true.
—Ricko[/quote]
How about Cardinals Home:
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Cardinals Road:
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Some times you’ve got to have a sense of humor
Did anyone notice that Alan Faneca was missing the helmet decal on the right side of his helmet last night? Not sure if was for the whole game, but I noticed it mid-way thru the 3rd quarter. I don’t know if it fell off from the cold or what, but it was definitely missing.
[quote comment=”370091″]As to the purple stuff on Baltimore streets its beets!
Tennessee will use beet juice mixture on wintry roads
“A pulp that is left over when sugar is sucked out of beets will be mixed with salt and brine and spread on some icy Tennessee roads this winter.”
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It may be from beets, but it is new for Baltimore. I’ve never seen the purple salt before, but when the Ravens are in the playoffs the whole city goes purple. I imagine City Hall will be lit purple starting tonight.
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Then again, it IS the Bidwells. Cardinals are like the Twins of the NFL. Apparently have absolutely no innate sense of style or taste, so if someone tells them something looks great, they just assume it’s true.
—Ricko[/quote]
Players choice, as they had been winning with them. Hopefully that drilling will get them back on the path of righteousness.
[quote comment=”370127″]Did anyone notice that Alan Faneca was missing the helmet decal on the right side of his helmet last night? Not sure if was for the whole game, but I noticed it mid-way thru the 3rd quarter. I don’t know if it fell off from the cold or what, but it was definitely missing.[/quote]
Paul did, 9th para up top
[quote comment=\”370130\”][quote comment=\”370127\”]Did anyone notice that Alan Faneca was missing the helmet decal on the right side of his helmet last night? Not sure if was for the whole game, but I noticed it mid-way thru the 3rd quarter. I don\’t know if it fell off from the cold or what, but it was definitely missing.[/quote]
Paul did, 9th para up top[/quote]
Ah, glossed over that. Interesting considering that Faneca came from the Steelers, no?
[quote comment=”370126″][quote comment=”370122″]You’d think someone with the Cardinals would realize the monochrome cherry makes them look like the Ragin’ Redbirds of HayBailer High (total enrollment 112, and “a real powerhouse in 9-man ever since the Smedberg boys–Lyle and Elwood–moved t’ town cuz their Daddy took a job over t’ the rendering plant”).
Then again, it IS the Bidwells. Cardinals are like the Twins of the NFL. Apparently have absolutely no innate sense of style or taste, so if someone tells them something looks great, they just assume it’s true.
—Ricko[/quote]
How about Cardinals Home:
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Cardinals Road:
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Some times you’ve got to have a sense of humor[/quote]
Outstanding!
[quote comment=”370119″][quote comment=”370111″][quote comment=”370108″][quote comment=”370106″][quote comment=”370103″]Paul, please go after MLB on the socks too. Players should have to wear socks or stirrups, period. Go low, go high, whatever, just wear something.[/quote]
They all do wear socks. The problem is how they wear their pants.[/quote]
Well, yes. More precisely, the colored socks (or stirrups) should be visible.
On another note, it’s great to see games played in snow. It’s just a shame they have to be played on synthetic turf. That stuff really looks bad under the lights too.[/quote]
This is one of my favorite parts of baseball. I find teams that all wear high socks or all wear pajama bottoms looks visually boring. I don’t have issue with mandating sock vs stirrup but don’t mandate pant leg height. High or low is a superstitious part of baseball, guys that are in slumps change it up sometimes, and I absolutely love that aspect. It’s great to see someone typically low-clad pull them for a game to two to try and break a slump.[/quote]
You’re absolutely right.
Since the late ’50s-early ’60s (when players like Frank Robinson and Willie Mays began pulling their stirrups higher to reveal more white sanitary sock) MLB has pretty much looked the other way regarding how players chose to feel most comfortable from the knees down. And during the years since, styles and trends have come and gone.
Granted, individual teams will have their manager-ordered or front-office-dictated styles from time to time (Big Red Machine, ’80’s Giants, Griffith Twins with first “TC” logo on socks).
But, after almost 50 years of latitude it’s a little hard to believe MLB will suddenly look around and say, “Damn, we just noticed we’ve got a problem!!!”
Besides, umpires long, long ago said they didn’t think enforcing regs regarding stirrup height was their job. Can’t imagine they’d accept that responsibility now. So, that would mean uni cops in baseball, too.
It’s just not gonna happen, folks, not on a league-wide basis, anyway.
—Ricko[/quote]
Wear it any way you want, as long as you show some sock, baby.
A foto of Justin Snow, just in snow? is that his name or the location & Wx conditions when his mama gave birth?
I think most football officials carry two flags. As a 19 year high school official I and everybody else I know carry two. I carry one in my back pocket and one tucked into my waist in front. On the rare occasions I do have two fouls on one play I always forget where the second one is so I probably would be just better off throwing my hat after all.
[quote comment=”370132″][quote comment=”370126″][quote comment=”370122″]You’d think someone with the Cardinals would realize the monochrome cherry makes them look like the Ragin’ Redbirds of HayBailer High (total enrollment 112, and “a real powerhouse in 9-man ever since the Smedberg boys–Lyle and Elwood–moved t’ town cuz their Daddy took a job over t’ the rendering plant”).
Then again, it IS the Bidwells. Cardinals are like the Twins of the NFL. Apparently have absolutely no innate sense of style or taste, so if someone tells them something looks great, they just assume it’s true.
—Ricko[/quote]
How about Cardinals Home:
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Cardinals Road:
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Some times you’ve got to have a sense of humor[/quote]
Outstanding![/quote]
Heaven help the Cardinals?
Happy belated birthday Phil.
And speaking of “birthdays”, the Punch up in Piestany turns 23 today:
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While I don’t like the actual Arizona Cardinals uniforms, I kinda do like the all red. I don’t know why, but for some reason it works for me.
Lee
[quote comment=”370135″]I think most football officials carry two flags. As a 19 year high school official I and everybody else I know carry two. I carry one in my back pocket and one tucked into my waist in front. On the rare occasions I do have two fouls on one play I always forget where the second one is so I probably would be just better off throwing my hat after all.[/quote]
While watching that game we wondered what an official would throw after he throws his hat bean bag, and both flags. What comes next?
[quote comment=”370138″]While I don’t like the actual Arizona Cardinals uniforms, I kinda do like the all red. I don’t know why, but for some reason it works for me.
Lee[/quote]
Cheap. High school. “We have only dark pants cuz they don’t show the dirt.”
Granted, things have changed. But if you grew up in a era when that was exactly the case regarding dark pants with dark jerseys, it takes some time (or maybe is impossible) to shake the “tight budget” image that comes to mind when you see them.
I like the red pants with the white jerseys, mind you. That look goes back a long, long way, to the ’50s when the Cards were the only NFL team with white pants at home and dark pants on the road. Almost any mono dark that tends to look low-end. To me, anyway. I’m working to overcome it, though. The Santa-suit look just makes it tough.
–Ricko
[quote comment=”370137″]Happy belated birthday Phil.
And speaking of “birthdays”, the Punch up in Piestany turns 23 today:
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thx jim
i remember that awesome brawl, as i was in england (winter term) and we ‘mericans were starved for something besides darts, cricket, snooker and soccer on the tele, and this fight somehow made big news over there
good stuff…and holy shit, was that really 23 years ago?
“Wear it any way you want, as long as you show some sock, baby.”
Considering that MLB rules currently state the pants cannot extend under the heel, it kinda appears they’re aware of the PJ look and have accepted it.
I doubt that on some kind of traditionalist “whim” they’d suddenly reverse their thinking.
My guess is we’ll see more and more players wearing stirrups, because it seems to be becoming fashionable. In other words, same as always: What’s in vogue determines how players decide to wear their pants/socks.
—Ricko
Would
Chance Michaels
Paul Radetsky
Andrew Greenwood
Zach Davis
and
Steve Prestegard
Please, please email me? I write for a Brewers website and I’d like to do a piece on the logo/uni reworks that were done and I didn’t find any way to contact you.
I’d like to use all the “redos” so everyone who did one should look for an email from me soon. I think this would make a great off-season discussion starter and I can’t wait to share your great work with a wider Brewers audience. Paul’s already okayed the hijacking of the topic.
Please get in contact with me at nicole(dot)haase(at)gmail(dot)com
Thanks!
[quote comment=”370115″]just experience how boring ford field is in this shot. no life at all, just a bunch of green:
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Look at the crap product they put on that field, and you expect excititing?
[quote comment=”370121″]Ian B – great job on the Beaver sleeves!!!![/quote]
Thank you, Jet! And a big thank you to Paul for the shout out! I certainly enjoyed the process and the am pleased with the result. :-)
12 hour shift yesterday, and even a longer night, but just had a chance to look back at yesterdays vids…aaah 1979, the year a 9 year olde boy had his heart torn out for the 1st time after the doug williamses lost the the feragamosuses 9~nil. not to mention red right 88 was just around the corner, DRAT. but i do miss orange teams, really really really oooooorannnnnge teams.
Wow, in the span of one weekend I got a fantastic-looking mud game link AND a wonderful snow game! link
This is why I really loved watching football as a kid. Yes, back then I liked domes and turf and painted endzones, but nothing got me as excited as a good snow game. I want to see more, not less, of these beauties.
Yeah, yeah, I know the standard line…”72 high school teams use the same field in two days for their playoff games, so we need turf.” Blah blah blah. I understand groundskeeping is expensive, but you don’t have to make the fields pristine, just somewhat playable.
Here’s where I sound like The Jeff: Sure, muddy and snowy fields lead to more turnovers, dropped passes, etc.. I. Dont. Care. Suck it up and play in the elements – it’s a test of character. If there’s lightning or if it’s frostbite cold, sure, postpone the game. Otherwise, get out there and play the game the way it’s meant to be played.
All that beet stuff makes sense, but the interesting thing was that there was a huge pile of salt just past M & T Bank Stadium (heading toward DC) that was not purple … very curious!
[quote comment=”370126″][quote comment=”370122″]You’d think someone with the Cardinals would realize the monochrome cherry makes them look like the Ragin’ Redbirds of HayBailer High (total enrollment 112, and “a real powerhouse in 9-man ever since the Smedberg boys–Lyle and Elwood–moved t’ town cuz their Daddy took a job over t’ the rendering plant”).
Then again, it IS the Bidwells. Cardinals are like the Twins of the NFL. Apparently have absolutely no innate sense of style or taste, so if someone tells them something looks great, they just assume it’s true.
—Ricko[/quote]
How about Cardinals Home:
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Cardinals Road:
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Some times you’ve got to have a sense of humor[/quote]
Could you make a set for the St. Louis Cardinals? That would be great for when they play the Padres.
[quote comment=”370120″]Don’t know if it was already mentioned but during the Northwestern/Auburn game on NYD, late in the fourth quarter, a referee threw two separate flags on the same play, I always thought they only had one flag in their pocket and threw their cap for another infraction, but this guy actually had two flags in his pocket.[/quote]
That is very interesting.
I carry the regulation gear when working:
A. Two Flags
B. Two beanbags, to mark loose balls and where changes of possessions take place and when players out of bounds
C. Timex Ironman wristwatch for a backup clock…the Back Judge will keep the 25 second clock
D. Wrist indicator for the down
E. The Head Linesman will carry a chainclip to prevent mishpas when the chain crew drops the chains
F. Obviously my cap…That is Usually thrown to mark that a receiver has gone out of bounds
G. Game Card to record important info
Check this beginner package:
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[quote comment=”370147″]Wow, in the span of one weekend I got a fantastic-looking mud game link AND a wonderful snow game! link
This is why I really loved watching football as a kid. Yes, back then I liked domes and turf and painted endzones, but nothing got me as excited as a good snow game. I want to see more, not less, of these beauties.
Yeah, yeah, I know the standard line…”72 high school teams use the same field in two days for their playoff games, so we need turf.” Blah blah blah. I understand groundskeeping is expensive, but you don’t have to make the fields pristine, just somewhat playable.
Here’s where I sound like The Jeff: Sure, muddy and snowy fields lead to more turnovers, dropped passes, etc.. I. Dont. Care. Suck it up and play in the elements – it’s a test of character. If there’s lightning or if it’s frostbite cold, sure, postpone the game. Otherwise, get out there and play the game the way it’s meant to be played.[/quote]
fuck & yes jim mothervilker
[quote comment=”370147″]Wow, in the span of one weekend I got a fantastic-looking mud game link AND a wonderful snow game! link
This is why I really loved watching football as a kid. Yes, back then I liked domes and turf and painted endzones, but nothing got me as excited as a good snow game. I want to see more, not less, of these beauties.
Yeah, yeah, I know the standard line…”72 high school teams use the same field in two days for their playoff games, so we need turf.” Blah blah blah. I understand groundskeeping is expensive, but you don’t have to make the fields pristine, just somewhat playable.
Here’s where I sound like The Jeff: Sure, muddy and snowy fields lead to more turnovers, dropped passes, etc.. I. Dont. Care. Suck it up and play in the elements – it’s a test of character. If there’s lightning or if it’s frostbite cold, sure, postpone the game. Otherwise, get out there and play the game the way it’s meant to be played.[/quote]
I guess I don’t need to post anymore. You’ve apparently read my mind.
[quote comment=”370097″]Arizona Cardinals/Fiesta Bowl grounds crew had a long night last night, any word on a time lapse video? those things are pretty sweet![/quote]
Didn’t find a video, but saw some photos last night: link
[quote comment=”370152″]
I guess I don’t need to post anymore. You’ve apparently read my mind.[/quote]
…must…bite…tongue…sooooooooo…tempting ;)
[quote comment=”370152″][quote comment=”370147″]Wow, in the span of one weekend I got a fantastic-looking mud game link AND a wonderful snow game! link
This is why I really loved watching football as a kid. Yes, back then I liked domes and turf and painted endzones, but nothing got me as excited as a good snow game. I want to see more, not less, of these beauties.
Yeah, yeah, I know the standard line…”72 high school teams use the same field in two days for their playoff games, so we need turf.” Blah blah blah. I understand groundskeeping is expensive, but you don’t have to make the fields pristine, just somewhat playable.
Here’s where I sound like The Jeff: Sure, muddy and snowy fields lead to more turnovers, dropped passes, etc.. I. Dont. Care. Suck it up and play in the elements – it’s a test of character. If there’s lightning or if it’s frostbite cold, sure, postpone the game. Otherwise, get out there and play the game the way it’s meant to be played.[/quote]
I guess I don’t need to post anymore. You’ve apparently read my mind.[/quote]
Just meant that I can see where you were coming from on the color vs. color thing. It’s your preference, as mud/snow games are my preference. I’m sure I’ll get flak from people who say every game should be a glorified track meet with perfect conditions. That’s their preference, but I don’t think those kind of games are as fun.
[quote comment=”370141″][quote comment=”370137″]Happy belated birthday Phil.
And speaking of “birthdays”, the Punch up in Piestany turns 23 today:
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thx jim
i remember that awesome brawl, as i was in england (winter term) and we ‘mericans were starved for something besides darts, cricket, snooker and soccer on the tele, and this fight somehow made big news over there
good stuff…and holy shit, was that really 23 years ago?[/quote]
I know – 23 whole years ago…. back when I had a full head of hair… sigh…
Re: Ref’s starter kit
Didn’t NFL refs carry a blank pistol which was discharged at the end of each quarter? If so, when did this excellent practice stop?
Powers? Ricko? Wayne La Pierre?
[quote comment=”370155″][quote comment=”370152″][quote comment=”370147″]Wow, in the span of one weekend I got a fantastic-looking mud game link AND a wonderful snow game! link
This is why I really loved watching football as a kid. Yes, back then I liked domes and turf and painted endzones, but nothing got me as excited as a good snow game. I want to see more, not less, of these beauties.
Yeah, yeah, I know the standard line…”72 high school teams use the same field in two days for their playoff games, so we need turf.” Blah blah blah. I understand groundskeeping is expensive, but you don’t have to make the fields pristine, just somewhat playable.
Here’s where I sound like The Jeff: Sure, muddy and snowy fields lead to more turnovers, dropped passes, etc.. I. Dont. Care. Suck it up and play in the elements – it’s a test of character. If there’s lightning or if it’s frostbite cold, sure, postpone the game. Otherwise, get out there and play the game the way it’s meant to be played.[/quote]
I guess I don’t need to post anymore. You’ve apparently read my mind.[/quote]
Just meant that I can see where you were coming from on the color vs. color thing. It’s your preference, as mud/snow games are my preference. I’m sure I’ll get flak from people who say every game should be a glorified track meet with perfect conditions. That’s their preference, but I don’t think those kind of games are as fun.[/quote]
I love bad weather football games more than just about anything. I remember Seattle and Kansas City playing a mudbowl in the 90’s on either Sunday Night or Monday Night Football. PSU-LSU was a bit different for me, though. The condition of the field was so poor (not really due to weather) that I was borderline dangerous for the players. While I still enjoyed watching it there was always the fear of seeing another knee get shredded due to the field like we saw in Miami-Wisconsin.
[quote comment=”370147″]Wow, in the span of one weekend I got a fantastic-looking mud game link AND a wonderful snow game! link
This is why I really loved watching football as a kid. Yes, back then I liked domes and turf and painted endzones, but nothing got me as excited as a good snow game. I want to see more, not less, of these beauties.
Yeah, yeah, I know the standard line…”72 high school teams use the same field in two days for their playoff games, so we need turf.” Blah blah blah. I understand groundskeeping is expensive, but you don’t have to make the fields pristine, just somewhat playable.
Here’s where I sound like The Jeff: Sure, muddy and snowy fields lead to more turnovers, dropped passes, etc.. I. Dont. Care. Suck it up and play in the elements – it’s a test of character. If there’s lightning or if it’s frostbite cold, sure, postpone the game. Otherwise, get out there and play the game the way it’s meant to be played.[/quote]
One of the great travesties about to occur is the installation of synthetic turf at the Citrus Bowl, because we can’t have muddy games, you know. Come on. Let’s just move everything to a TV studio and be done with it.
You think people would tune in to the Rose Bowl if it were in a dome and on fake grass? No, they want to see the sunshine and real grass from their ice-cold abodes thousands of miles away.
[quote comment=”370157″]Re: Ref’s starter kit
Didn’t NFL refs carry a blank pistol which was discharged at the end of each quarter? If so, when did this excellent practice stop?
Powers? Ricko? Wayne La Pierre?[/quote]
I have only been officiating for two years, and I can honestly say that I have never seen that.
[quote comment=”370157″]Re: Ref’s starter kit
Didn’t NFL refs carry a blank pistol which was discharged at the end of each quarter? If so, when did this excellent practice stop?
Powers? Ricko? Wayne La Pierre?[/quote]
Not definite, but I believe it was about the time The Naked Gun came out..
Has anyone seen any photos of the Jets’ halftime tribute, besides link on the Daily News website?
There are 3 different Jets unis represented and I’m trying to identify all the players, but I’m not sure about a couple of them. Note that Wayne Chrebet is wearing his 1995 rookie jersey even though he spent more years in the current (1998-) design.
Help me out on the players; I can’t recognize a lot of these guys by face:
Kneeling (l-r): Adrian Murrell #29, Leon Washington #29 (??), Wayne Chrebet #80, Ken Schroy #48 (?), (#42 ??), Bruce Harper #42, Mark Gastineau #99, James Hasty (or Bobby Jackson?) #40, Jeff Criswell #61, Wesley Walker #85.
Standing (in jersey only, l-r): Vinny Testaverde #16, Richie Anderson #33 (?), (#7x ??), Ty Law #24 (??), Jason Fabini #69 (?), (?? # obscured), Mo Lewis #57(?), Victor Green #21, (?? # obscured), Erik McMillan #22, (?? # obscured), Al Toon #88, Jeff Lageman (or Lance Mehl?) #56, Pat Leahy #5, Joe Klecko #73.
[quote comment=”370158″]I love bad weather football games more than just about anything. I remember Seattle and Kansas City playing a mudbowl in the 90’s on either Sunday Night or Monday Night Football. PSU-LSU was a bit different for me, though. The condition of the field was so poor (not really due to weather) that I was borderline dangerous for the players. While I still enjoyed watching it there was always the fear of seeing another knee get shredded due to the field like we saw in Miami-Wisconsin.[/quote]
Yeah, there is that risk. I’m curious, though, if more or less injuries have occurred because of turf. There are the two extremes: no footing vs. an unyielding surface. I can’t help but think of the new “safer” helmets in use at a time when concussions are running rampant. Could it be that we’re trading one form of injury for another without an honest improvement? Just thinking out loud, not saying I’m dead set against turf.
[quote comment=”370159″][quote comment=”370147″]Wow, in the span of one weekend I got a fantastic-looking mud game link AND a wonderful snow game! link
This is why I really loved watching football as a kid. Yes, back then I liked domes and turf and painted endzones, but nothing got me as excited as a good snow game. I want to see more, not less, of these beauties.
Yeah, yeah, I know the standard line…”72 high school teams use the same field in two days for their playoff games, so we need turf.” Blah blah blah. I understand groundskeeping is expensive, but you don’t have to make the fields pristine, just somewhat playable.
Here’s where I sound like The Jeff: Sure, muddy and snowy fields lead to more turnovers, dropped passes, etc.. I. Dont. Care. Suck it up and play in the elements – it’s a test of character. If there’s lightning or if it’s frostbite cold, sure, postpone the game. Otherwise, get out there and play the game the way it’s meant to be played.[/quote]
One of the great travesties about to occur is the installation of synthetic turf at the Citrus Bowl, because we can’t have muddy games, you know. Come on. Let’s just move everything to a TV studio and be done with it.
You think people would tune in to the Rose Bowl if it were in a dome and on fake grass? No, they want to see the sunshine and real grass from their ice-cold abodes thousands of miles away.[/quote]
dangerous? really? knees get “shredded” when they stick in astro turf seems. not that astro turf is around anymore, but mud is slick, you don’t shred knees in mud. can anyone remember a guy getting carted off in a mud bowl? i nary remember seeing that. tell me i am wrong, but i can’t think of a serious injury in conditions like that.
track games, mud games, they are all have their place. i like defensive brawls, but if every game was one, that would suck too. but there are soooo few natural grass fields anymore we are lucky to see any mud stains. even pineapple caught that new years day. bah!
[quote comment=”370160″][quote comment=”370157″]Re: Ref’s starter kit
Didn’t NFL refs carry a blank pistol which was discharged at the end of each quarter? If so, when did this excellent practice stop?
Powers? Ricko? Wayne La Pierre?[/quote]
I have only been officiating for two years, and I can honestly say that I have never seen that.[/quote]
if they gave me a gun, er, pistol, i would shoot the first #$^ *((^&% @$%$#%^%&^$%% that called me a #%^%^& sucking #^$^*&%*^ right in the nuts! then i would throw it at his loud mouthed #$%#^ @$#%#%^ ^$ girlfriend/father/whatever. sorry 12 hour shift yesterday.
[quote comment=”370115″]just experience how boring ford field is in this shot. no life at all, just a bunch of green:
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Oh, the Ford family only WISHES the Lions could produce “a bunch of green”!
They have been using colored salt on baltimore streets to show that they have actually been plowing and salting the streets. There were complaints from city denizens that no one was salthing their streets, so the colored salt has been used to refute the claim. Now Towson Town Mall is actually in Balt. County, so they may have the same company salting its areas.
[quote comment=”370164″][quote comment=”370159″][quote comment=”370147″]Wow, in the span of one weekend I got a fantastic-looking mud game link AND a wonderful snow game! link
This is why I really loved watching football as a kid. Yes, back then I liked domes and turf and painted endzones, but nothing got me as excited as a good snow game. I want to see more, not less, of these beauties.
Yeah, yeah, I know the standard line…”72 high school teams use the same field in two days for their playoff games, so we need turf.” Blah blah blah. I understand groundskeeping is expensive, but you don’t have to make the fields pristine, just somewhat playable.
Here’s where I sound like The Jeff: Sure, muddy and snowy fields lead to more turnovers, dropped passes, etc.. I. Dont. Care. Suck it up and play in the elements – it’s a test of character. If there’s lightning or if it’s frostbite cold, sure, postpone the game. Otherwise, get out there and play the game the way it’s meant to be played.[/quote]
One of the great travesties about to occur is the installation of synthetic turf at the Citrus Bowl, because we can’t have muddy games, you know. Come on. Let’s just move everything to a TV studio and be done with it.
You think people would tune in to the Rose Bowl if it were in a dome and on fake grass? No, they want to see the sunshine and real grass from their ice-cold abodes thousands of miles away.[/quote]
dangerous? really? knees get “shredded” when they stick in astro turf seems. not that astro turf is around anymore, but mud is slick, you don’t shred knees in mud. can anyone remember a guy getting carted off in a mud bowl? i nary remember seeing that. tell me i am wrong, but i can’t think of a serious injury in conditions like that.
track games, mud games, they are all have their place. i like defensive brawls, but if every game was one, that would suck too. but there are soooo few natural grass fields anymore we are lucky to see any mud stains. even pineapple caught that new years day. bah![/quote]
Wont somebody think of the CHILDREN!
Ask link if he was glad he didn’t have to play the Eagles on dangerous natural grass in 1993.
[quote comment=”370168″][quote comment=”370164″][quote comment=”370159″][quote comment=”370147″]Wow, in the span of one weekend I got a fantastic-looking mud game link AND a wonderful snow game! link
This is why I really loved watching football as a kid. Yes, back then I liked domes and turf and painted endzones, but nothing got me as excited as a good snow game. I want to see more, not less, of these beauties.
Yeah, yeah, I know the standard line…”72 high school teams use the same field in two days for their playoff games, so we need turf.” Blah blah blah. I understand groundskeeping is expensive, but you don’t have to make the fields pristine, just somewhat playable.
Here’s where I sound like The Jeff: Sure, muddy and snowy fields lead to more turnovers, dropped passes, etc.. I. Dont. Care. Suck it up and play in the elements – it’s a test of character. If there’s lightning or if it’s frostbite cold, sure, postpone the game. Otherwise, get out there and play the game the way it’s meant to be played.[/quote]
One of the great travesties about to occur is the installation of synthetic turf at the Citrus Bowl, because we can’t have muddy games, you know. Come on. Let’s just move everything to a TV studio and be done with it.
You think people would tune in to the Rose Bowl if it were in a dome and on fake grass? No, they want to see the sunshine and real grass from their ice-cold abodes thousands of miles away.[/quote]
dangerous? really? knees get “shredded” when they stick in astro turf seems. not that astro turf is around anymore, but mud is slick, you don’t shred knees in mud. can anyone remember a guy getting carted off in a mud bowl? i nary remember seeing that. tell me i am wrong, but i can’t think of a serious injury in conditions like that.
track games, mud games, they are all have their place. i like defensive brawls, but if every game was one, that would suck too. but there are soooo few natural grass fields anymore we are lucky to see any mud stains. even pineapple caught that new years day. bah![/quote]
Wont somebody think of the CHILDREN!
Ask link if he was glad he didn’t have to play the Eagles on dangerous natural grass in 1993.[/quote]
damn straight! stupid vet. only good thing about that joint was the thousands of cats that ate the rats. you are much more likely to get hurt in perfect conditions. cleats stick, collisions are faster/harder, etc. oh poor johny is all muddy, he might catch cold, screw that shit, at least he will walk after the game. i am not in a good mood.
[quote comment=”370162″]Has anyone seen any photos of the Jets’ halftime tribute, besides link on the Daily News website?
There are 3 different Jets unis represented and I’m trying to identify all the players, but I’m not sure about a couple of them. Note that Wayne Chrebet is wearing his 1995 rookie jersey even though he spent more years in the current (1998-) design.
Help me out on the players; I can’t recognize a lot of these guys by face:
Kneeling (l-r): Adrian Murrell #29, Leon Washington #29 (??), Wayne Chrebet #80, Ken Schroy #48 (?), (#42 ??), Bruce Harper #42, Mark Gastineau #99, James Hasty (or Bobby Jackson?) #40, Jeff Criswell #61, Wesley Walker #85.
Standing (in jersey only, l-r): Vinny Testaverde #16, Richie Anderson #33 (?), (#7x ??), Ty Law #24 (??), Jason Fabini #69 (?), (?? # obscured), Mo Lewis #57(?), Victor Green #21, (?? # obscured), Erik McMillan #22, (?? # obscured), Al Toon #88, Jeff Lageman (or Lance Mehl?) #56, Pat Leahy #5, Joe Klecko #73.[/quote]
Lageman is 56…I also see Marvin Jones in the back row.
[quote comment=”370168″]Wont somebody think of the CHILDREN!
Ask link if he was glad he didn’t have to play the Eagles on dangerous natural grass in 1993.[/quote]
Oh yeah. I was on the field at the Vet back in 1991. What a crap hole. We were broadcasting an Akron/Temple game, and before it started I got to go out and walk around. I gave a ball boy a couple of bucks to let me punt a few balls, then my producer started throwing me post patterns. While running over the seams, my first thought was, “How is it that more guys haven’t blown out their knees here?” I’d take my chances in the mud any day.
Somewhere, Bud Grant is smiling:
link
So i guess next year i should make good on last year’s thought to watch the winter classic..
[quote comment=”370147″]Wow, in the span of one weekend I got a fantastic-looking mud game link AND a wonderful snow game! link
This is why I really loved watching football as a kid. Yes, back then I liked domes and turf and painted endzones, but nothing got me as excited as a good snow game. I want to see more, not less, of these beauties.
Yeah, yeah, I know the standard line…”72 high school teams use the same field in two days for their playoff games, so we need turf.” Blah blah blah. I understand groundskeeping is expensive, but you don’t have to make the fields pristine, just somewhat playable.
Here’s where I sound like The Jeff: Sure, muddy and snowy fields lead to more turnovers, dropped passes, etc.. I. Dont. Care. Suck it up and play in the elements – it’s a test of character. If there’s lightning or if it’s frostbite cold, sure, postpone the game. Otherwise, get out there and play the game the way it’s meant to be played.[/quote]
It’s only January 4th and I can almost bet this is my favorite post of 2010. Amen. The game is not meant to be sterile or easy.
and by the way, while i am in the mood to give the roofus~goofus… unrefined salt has colour because of the metals in it. it is the same as when you add metals to glass when you blow it to give it colour, or a ceramic glaze to give it colour. but the reason most salt that you see on the street looks purple or more then likely pink is the iron found in it, not because the shit birds in baltimore complained about the lack of salt in the streets prompting government to add colour to their stockpiles of salt to prove charm city salts it’s streets. metals make colour people, iron oxide makes pink/purple.
okay, i am banning myself for the rest of the day.
[quote comment=”370171″][quote comment=”370168″]Wont somebody think of the CHILDREN!
Ask link if he was glad he didn’t have to play the Eagles on dangerous natural grass in 1993.[/quote]
Oh yeah. I was on the field at the Vet back in 1991. What a crap hole. We were broadcasting an Akron/Temple game, and before it started I got to go out and walk around. I gave a ball boy a couple of bucks to let me punt a few balls, then my producer started throwing me post patterns. While running over the seams, my first thought was, “How is it that more guys haven’t blown out their knees here?” I’d take my chances in the mud any day.[/quote]
Hear, hear. The elements are supposed to part of football. The antiseptic nature of most games really has come in the past 10-15 years with prescription turf, etc.
Them that don’t appreciate a mud game game or snow game once in a while should stick to Madden or pray for the return of Arena Football to ESPN and/or NBC.
As for those elements changing the game, altering the outcome, two thoughts…
1. Is same for both teams, no?
2. The wind can cause interceptions and 10-yard punts on a clear, sunny day. That mean, for example, the Bears should have to move to a field further away from the lake shore?
—Ricko
[quote comment=”370164″][quote comment=”370159″][quote comment=”370147″]Wow, in the span of one weekend I got a fantastic-looking mud game link AND a wonderful snow game! link
This is why I really loved watching football as a kid. Yes, back then I liked domes and turf and painted endzones, but nothing got me as excited as a good snow game. I want to see more, not less, of these beauties.
Yeah, yeah, I know the standard line…”72 high school teams use the same field in two days for their playoff games, so we need turf.” Blah blah blah. I understand groundskeeping is expensive, but you don’t have to make the fields pristine, just somewhat playable.
Here’s where I sound like The Jeff: Sure, muddy and snowy fields lead to more turnovers, dropped passes, etc.. I. Dont. Care. Suck it up and play in the elements – it’s a test of character. If there’s lightning or if it’s frostbite cold, sure, postpone the game. Otherwise, get out there and play the game the way it’s meant to be played.[/quote]
One of the great travesties about to occur is the installation of synthetic turf at the Citrus Bowl, because we can’t have muddy games, you know. Come on. Let’s just move everything to a TV studio and be done with it.
You think people would tune in to the Rose Bowl if it were in a dome and on fake grass? No, they want to see the sunshine and real grass from their ice-cold abodes thousands of miles away.[/quote]
dangerous? really? knees get “shredded” when they stick in astro turf seems. not that astro turf is around anymore, but mud is slick, you don’t shred knees in mud. can anyone remember a guy getting carted off in a mud bowl? i nary remember seeing that. tell me i am wrong, but i can’t think of a serious injury in conditions like that.
track games, mud games, they are all have their place. i like defensive brawls, but if every game was one, that would suck too. but there are soooo few natural grass fields anymore we are lucky to see any mud stains. even pineapple caught that new years day. bah![/quote]
My comment wasn’t saying that mud games are dangerous…only that the Citrus Bowl’s turf was overly dangerous. Most fields would merely turn into a mud bowl and things would be fine. The Citrus Bowl was coming up in chunks and led directly to the player from Miami blowing out his knee.
Astro-turf is a different beast altogether. Wendell Davis’ knee injury is one of the most ridiculous things to have ever happened. I can’t believe that it was around for 30+ years.
[quote comment=”370176″]The wind can cause interceptions and 10-yard punts on a clear, sunny day. That mean, for example, the Bears should have to move to a field further away from the lake shore?
[/quote]
I wonder if link wishes that had happened at least 15 years ago. (Bonus: check out the logo on the coach’s cap at the very beginning.)
[quote comment=”370112″]Are the Chargers changing helmets for the playoffs??
link
Seeing that bracket made me wish that the Chargers, Vikings, Pats and maybe the Jets, would wear their throwbacks for at least one playoff game.
#42 is ronnie lott i believe
[quote comment=”370179″][quote comment=”370112″]Are the Chargers changing helmets for the playoffs??
link
Seeing that bracket made me wish that the Chargers, Vikings, Pats and maybe the Jets, would wear their throwbacks for at least one playoff game.[/quote]
It’s also a little presumptuous, in assuming that the higher seed will win all four first-round games. The Jets-Bengals winner will play the Colts unless the Ravens beat the Patriots, in which case the Jets or Bengals go to San Diego.
[quote comment=”370176″]the Bears should have to move to a field further away from the lake shore?
[/quote]
about half a mile to the east would work
NHL Winter Classic scored a 2.6 from Neilsen’s, down from 2.9 last year, and even with the 2008 game.
In other news, Chris Pronger is the first athlete to be credited with six hits in one game since the BoSox’ Jerry Remy did it in 1981. LOL
[quote comment=”370183″]NHL Winter Classic scored a 2.6 from Neilsen’s, down from 2.9 last year, and even with the 2008 game.
In other news, Chris Pronger is the first athlete to be credited with six hits in one game at Fenway since the BoSox’ Jerry Remy did it in 1981. LOL[/quote]
Needed that part in there.
[quote comment=”370182″][quote comment=”370176″]the Bears should have to move to a field further away from the lake shore?
[/quote]
about half a mile to the east would work[/quote]
link.
That’d make for some great scenery with the water on both sides, eh?
“I guarantee you that one of my readers is taking a screen shot at this very moement.”
…
“The virtues of the wonderful American educational system were on full display in Houston.”
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Did the American educational system fail you as well?
[quote comment=”370177″][quote comment=”370164″][quote comment=”370159″][quote comment=”370147″]Wow, in the span of one weekend I got a fantastic-looking mud game link AND a wonderful snow game! link
This is why I really loved watching football as a kid. Yes, back then I liked domes and turf and painted endzones, but nothing got me as excited as a good snow game. I want to see more, not less, of these beauties.
Yeah, yeah, I know the standard line…”72 high school teams use the same field in two days for their playoff games, so we need turf.” Blah blah blah. I understand groundskeeping is expensive, but you don’t have to make the fields pristine, just somewhat playable.
Here’s where I sound like The Jeff: Sure, muddy and snowy fields lead to more turnovers, dropped passes, etc.. I. Dont. Care. Suck it up and play in the elements – it’s a test of character. If there’s lightning or if it’s frostbite cold, sure, postpone the game. Otherwise, get out there and play the game the way it’s meant to be played.[/quote]
One of the great travesties about to occur is the installation of synthetic turf at the Citrus Bowl, because we can’t have muddy games, you know. Come on. Let’s just move everything to a TV studio and be done with it.
You think people would tune in to the Rose Bowl if it were in a dome and on fake grass? No, they want to see the sunshine and real grass from their ice-cold abodes thousands of miles away.[/quote]
dangerous? really? knees get “shredded” when they stick in astro turf seems. not that astro turf is around anymore, but mud is slick, you don’t shred knees in mud. can anyone remember a guy getting carted off in a mud bowl? i nary remember seeing that. tell me i am wrong, but i can’t think of a serious injury in conditions like that.
track games, mud games, they are all have their place. i like defensive brawls, but if every game was one, that would suck too. but there are soooo few natural grass fields anymore we are lucky to see any mud stains. even pineapple caught that new years day. bah![/quote]
My comment wasn’t saying that mud games are dangerous…only that the Citrus Bowl’s turf was overly dangerous. Most fields would merely turn into a mud bowl and things would be fine. The Citrus Bowl was coming up in chunks and led directly to the player from Miami blowing out his knee.
Astro-turf is a different beast altogether. Wendell Davis’ knee injury is one of the most ridiculous things to have ever happened. I can’t believe that it was around for 30+ years.[/quote]
I agree, but the reason it was bad was because they put a new turf down a few weeks before the bowl game and there were a lot of games on it before the bowl game. So the answer is to take care of your turf, not put down fake grass. I mean, artificial turf at an outdoor stadium in Florida? Please. I haven’t seen any problems with the Eagles’ turf in Philly and that’s been there for, what, six years now?
[quote comment=”370183″]NHL Winter Classic scored a 2.6 from Neilsen’s, down from 2.9 last year, and even with the 2008 game.
In other news, Chris Pronger is the first athlete to be credited with six hits in one game since the BoSox’ Jerry Remy did it in 1981. LOL[/quote]
Penn State in the Capital One Bowl against the WC really ruined the Philly local area…it only garnered a 6 rating/11 share. By far the lowest local rating of any of the 6 teams to have played in the WC.
Add me to the ones that really enjoyed the dirty muddy field games.
One of the best all time football pictures for me is this one.
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Ohio State star Pete Stinchcomb all muddy faced.
[quote comment=”370178″][quote comment=”370176″]The wind can cause interceptions and 10-yard punts on a clear, sunny day. That mean, for example, the Bears should have to move to a field further away from the lake shore?
[/quote]
I wonder if link wishes that had happened at least 15 years ago. (Bonus: check out the logo on the coach’s cap at the very beginning.)[/quote]
Poor Sean. Three years as an outstanding USFL punter, 20+ years as an outstanding NFL punter, and he’ll forever be known as the guy who whiffed at Soldier Field.
Thing is, the wind was going to his left when the ball was snapped, but he dropped it to his right. Maybe he was overcompensating.
Oh well, I still want to DIY his jersey one day. link
[quote comment=”370190″][quote comment=”370178″][quote comment=”370176″]The wind can cause interceptions and 10-yard punts on a clear, sunny day. That mean, for example, the Bears should have to move to a field further away from the lake shore?
[/quote]
I wonder if link wishes that had happened at least 15 years ago. (Bonus: check out the logo on the coach’s cap at the very beginning.)[/quote]
Poor Sean. Three years as an outstanding USFL punter, 20+ years as an outstanding NFL punter, and he’ll forever be known as the guy who whiffed at Soldier Field.
Thing is, the wind was going to his left when the ball was snapped, but he dropped it to his right. Maybe he was overcompensating.
Oh well, I still want to DIY his jersey one day. link
It’s possible that the wind got it. The flags on top of the goalposts were meaningless. The wind would swirl, particularly near the end zones.
I seem to recall him admitting years later that the wind had nothing to do with it.
And does that say 15 years ago? I guess the wind got a hold of my pinkie when I was going for the 2 and I typed a 1 by mistake.
[quote comment=”370190″][quote comment=”370178″][quote comment=”370176″]The wind can cause interceptions and 10-yard punts on a clear, sunny day. That mean, for example, the Bears should have to move to a field further away from the lake shore?
[/quote]
I wonder if link wishes that had happened at least 15 years ago. (Bonus: check out the logo on the coach’s cap at the very beginning.)[/quote]
Poor Sean. Three years as an outstanding USFL punter, 20+ years as an outstanding NFL punter, and he’ll forever be known as the guy who whiffed at Soldier Field.
Thing is, the wind was going to his left when the ball was snapped, but he dropped it to his right. Maybe he was overcompensating.
Oh well, I still want to DIY his jersey one day. link
But just because the wind was blowing one direction at the opposite end of the field (based on the goal post flags) from Landeta doesn’t mean that it wasn’t swirling in 12 different directions before it got back to his end of the field and very well could have been blowing to his right at the moment he let loose of the ball for the kick. (Disclaimer: I never played organized football but, being a soccer player, I have a soft spot in my heart for kickers and have been “blown away” many times in shock of what the wind did to a/my particular kick.)
I saw these gloves during the pre-game warm ups, for the Rose Bowl, and it looked like maybe on the grip side the wings were actually the tack material and no O logo? Anyone see this? Anyway, Lucas & Nikeblog have a nice writeup on this pair.
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[quote comment=”370191″]It’s possible that the wind got it. The flags on top of the goalposts were meaningless. The wind would swirl, particularly near the end zones.
I seem to recall him admitting years later that the wind had nothing to do with it.[/quote]
I was looking at the ball as it left the center. True, the flags at the other end are meaningless, but the ball seemed to go that way anyway. And yeah, it could have shifted by the time he got into his drop.
Could have been so many other things as well. A windy day can really wreak havoc with a punter’s/kicker’s head. If it’s coming at you, you need to adjust to a lower trajectory as the wind will lift the ball. If it’s at your back you can hammer it a little easier. If it’s swirling…well you’re just screwed. Add to that the fact that he’s near the goal line with the vaunted Bears defense ready to pounce…that could rattle the best of them.
Besides being at Soldier Field on the same day, what did Sean Landeta and Mike Ditka have in common? The same helmet: link
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This site shows a kind of single-bar Hall of Fame:
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Didn’t know Doug Flutie rocked the single bar with San Diego: link
One of my favorite shots: Moseley kicking with Theismann holding: link
no excuses
landetta flat out missed the kick
shit happens, and the bears were gonna win it all in 85-86 anyway
g-men got their ring the next season
[quote comment=”370176″]…
As for those elements changing the game, altering the outcome, two thoughts…
1. Is same for both teams, no?
2. The wind can cause interceptions and 10-yard punts on a clear, sunny day. That mean, for example, the Bears should have to move to a field further away from the lake shore?
—Ricko[/quote]
But imagine (say) Saints vs. Colts in the Super Bowl. Two great offensive teams. On a muddy field, ripped up field. Final score 3-0 with 120 yards of total offence. Basically that Steelers-Dolphins Monday night game at Heinz Field a couple of years ago.
Yes its even for both teams, its fun to watch a mud game, but it doesn’t seem like the right way to decide anything meaningful.
Weather and field conditions are part of the game, but within reason.
[quote comment=”370100″]I know the NFL umpire that was involved in the incident yesterday. Bill Schuster is a native of my hometown-Livonia, NY. Bill was a three-sport athlete at Livonia High School and went on to be a four-year starter at tight end for D-III Alfred University. For the last three years of Bill’s college career the Alfred QB was his younger brother Bobby. Bill stands 6’3″ and goes well over 200 lbs. so he’s pretty much able to handle himself right in the thick of the action.[/quote]
So I was flying back today after being out of town and who was sitting 3 seats over on my connecting flight from Atlanta? NFL #129, Bill Schuster. He’s an aquantance of mine through football officiating circles and lives in my area.
Too bad I was off Uniwatch for a few days or I would have asked him about the shirt had I known.
That’ll teach me.
Oh and I know the NFL still fired the gun at the end of the game as late as 1990.
[quote comment=”370197″][quote comment=”370176″]…
As for those elements changing the game, altering the outcome, two thoughts…
1. Is same for both teams, no?
2. The wind can cause interceptions and 10-yard punts on a clear, sunny day. That mean, for example, the Bears should have to move to a field further away from the lake shore?
—Ricko[/quote]
But imagine (say) Saints vs. Colts in the Super Bowl. Two great offensive teams. On a muddy field, ripped up field. Final score 3-0 with 120 yards of total offence. Basically that Steelers-Dolphins Monday night game at Heinz Field a couple of years ago.
Yes its even for both teams, its fun to watch a mud game, but it doesn’t seem like the right way to decide anything meaningful.
Weather and field conditions are part of the game, but within reason.[/quote]
To me, within reason means no lightning and no frostbite. Otherwise, it’s part of the game.
I loved that Steelers/Dolphins game, and I’d love to see the Saints and Colts slog it out in similar conditions. A champion is determined by who wins the game, not by who has the best offense in ideal conditions. Seeing two domed teams having to adjust to the weather, and finding out which one could do it more effectively, would be just as memorable as a shootout.
And if you can make a big play in bad conditions, even better. I’m not a Browns fan at all, but I really respect kicker Phil Dawson after that snow game a couple of years ago when he beat the Bills. A 49-yarder, on a snow-covered field, into the wind…outstanding. I gave him no chance to make that and he nailed it.
Dome games, and a lot of games on artificial turf, are sterile affairs. I prefer not to watch them, though sometimes the play is so good you forget about the environment.
Would you put a dome over Yankee Stadium, Wrigley Field, Dodger Stadium, or Fenway Park? Artificial turf in the Rose Bowl or at Lambeau Field? That says it all.
[quote comment=”370199″]I loved that Steelers/Dolphins game[/quote]
you would
it was fun for about a quarter, then it became just painful to watch
actually we had some discussions about the conditions and the possibility of installing field turf that very evening
im NOT arguing for field turf, but seriously, that game was very difficult to enjoy because it really was just a matter of which team could gain enough footing to get a first down…which wasn’t often
problem though, i think as most people will admit, was not the surface, but the fact that about 4″ of rain fell in a 24 hour period…
a freak thing, for sure…happens, what…once every 5-10 years?
but hey, that’s what made the game a struggle…it wasn’t fun to watch, but it STILL was a good game (if that makes any sense) and i agree that it should have been played
to quote mike styczen, “Weather and field conditions are part of the game, but within reason”
well, as long as there was no physical danger (like lightning) to the players, that’s within reason
we don’t get mud bowls very often, and that’s why we enjoy them…no way should they be putting in fake fields because of it
[quote comment=”370188″][quote comment=”370183″]NHL Winter Classic scored a 2.6 from Neilsen’s, down from 2.9 last year, and even with the 2008 game.
In other news, Chris Pronger is the first athlete to be credited with six hits in one game since the BoSox’ Jerry Remy did it in 1981. LOL[/quote]
Penn State in the Capital One Bowl against the WC really ruined the Philly local area…it only garnered a 6 rating/11 share. By far the lowest local rating of any of the 6 teams to have played in the WC.[/quote]
I think the novelty wears off after a while and people realize that it is just another relatively meaningless regular season game. The NHL and NBA were both more interesting to me when they had their strike shortened 50 game seasons. 50 games is about right to make all of the games mean something.
I’m not sure there exists a game that will be called because of frostbite conditions. Look at the games they’ve played at Lambeau over the years, or the 1981 AFC championship game. And players insist on going sleeveless!
[quote comment=”370177″][quote comment=”370164″][quote comment=”370159″][quote comment=”370147″]Wow, in the span of one weekend I got a fantastic-looking mud game link AND a wonderful snow game! link
This is why I really loved watching football as a kid. Yes, back then I liked domes and turf and painted endzones, but nothing got me as excited as a good snow game. I want to see more, not less, of these beauties.
Yeah, yeah, I know the standard line…”72 high school teams use the same field in two days for their playoff games, so we need turf.” Blah blah blah. I understand groundskeeping is expensive, but you don’t have to make the fields pristine, just somewhat playable.
Here’s where I sound like The Jeff: Sure, muddy and snowy fields lead to more turnovers, dropped passes, etc.. I. Dont. Care. Suck it up and play in the elements – it’s a test of character. If there’s lightning or if it’s frostbite cold, sure, postpone the game. Otherwise, get out there and play the game the way it’s meant to be played.[/quote]
One of the great travesties about to occur is the installation of synthetic turf at the Citrus Bowl, because we can’t have muddy games, you know. Come on. Let’s just move everything to a TV studio and be done with it.
You think people would tune in to the Rose Bowl if it were in a dome and on fake grass? No, they want to see the sunshine and real grass from their ice-cold abodes thousands of miles away.[/quote]
dangerous? really? knees get “shredded” when they stick in astro turf seems. not that astro turf is around anymore, but mud is slick, you don’t shred knees in mud. can anyone remember a guy getting carted off in a mud bowl? i nary remember seeing that. tell me i am wrong, but i can’t think of a serious injury in conditions like that.
track games, mud games, they are all have their place. i like defensive brawls, but if every game was one, that would suck too. but there are soooo few natural grass fields anymore we are lucky to see any mud stains. even pineapple caught that new years day. bah![/quote]
My comment wasn’t saying that mud games are dangerous…only that the Citrus Bowl’s turf was overly dangerous. Most fields would merely turn into a mud bowl and things would be fine. The Citrus Bowl was coming up in chunks and led directly to the player from Miami blowing out his knee.
Wendell Davis’ knee injury is one of the most ridiculous things to have ever happened. I can’t believe that it was around for 30+ years.[/quote]
temporary ban lift…
you are right, they are two different beasts,i know you were not defending places like the vet. and i knew what you were saying, i was putting some words in your mouth, i just think a mushy field is safer on knees and collisions.
…re~banning now for the rest of the day
[quote comment=”370197″][quote comment=”370176″]…
As for those elements changing the game, altering the outcome, two thoughts…
1. Is same for both teams, no?
2. The wind can cause interceptions and 10-yard punts on a clear, sunny day. That mean, for example, the Bears should have to move to a field further away from the lake shore?
—Ricko[/quote]
But imagine (say) Saints vs. Colts in the Super Bowl. Two great offensive teams. On a muddy field, ripped up field. Final score 3-0 with 120 yards of total offence. Basically that Steelers-Dolphins Monday night game at Heinz Field a couple of years ago.
Yes its even for both teams, its fun to watch a mud game, but it doesn’t seem like the right way to decide anything meaningful.
Weather and field conditions are part of the game, but within reason.[/quote]
So you’d vote for a neutral, warm weather World Series site? There’s a better argument for that than for a neutral Super Bowl…as far as bad weather NOT being part of the game.
—Ricko
[quote comment=”370202″][quote comment=”370188″][quote comment=”370183″]NHL Winter Classic scored a 2.6 from Neilsen’s, down from 2.9 last year, and even with the 2008 game.
In other news, Chris Pronger is the first athlete to be credited with six hits in one game since the BoSox’ Jerry Remy did it in 1981. LOL[/quote]
Penn State in the Capital One Bowl against the WC really ruined the Philly local area…it only garnered a 6 rating/11 share. By far the lowest local rating of any of the 6 teams to have played in the WC.[/quote]
I think the novelty wears off after a while and people realize that it is just another relatively meaningless regular season game. The NHL and NBA were both more interesting to me when they had their strike shortened 50 game seasons. 50 games is about right to make all of the games mean something.[/quote]
I imagine Penn State playing opposite couldn’t do anything BUT hurt the WC ratings in Pennsylvania. Also a little snow would have helped. Makes for a better show…and it’s a show, to be sure, not just a regular season NHL game. If it were an ordinary game, they’d have played indoors at new Boston Garden…and drawn zilch veiwers. Those who don’t get that the “spectacle” is the attraction for non-NHL fans just don’t get what the whole thing is about.
—Ricko
[quote comment=”370202″][quote comment=”370188″][quote comment=”370183″]NHL Winter Classic scored a 2.6 from Neilsen’s, down from 2.9 last year, and even with the 2008 game.
In other news, Chris Pronger is the first athlete to be credited with six hits in one game since the BoSox’ Jerry Remy did it in 1981. LOL[/quote]
Penn State in the Capital One Bowl against the WC really ruined the Philly local area…it only garnered a 6 rating/11 share. By far the lowest local rating of any of the 6 teams to have played in the WC.[/quote]
I think the novelty wears off after a while and people realize that it is just another relatively meaningless regular season game. The NHL and NBA were both more interesting to me when they had their strike shortened 50 game seasons. 50 games is about right to make all of the games mean something.[/quote]
If you look at the numbers, the WC did as well or better nationally as it did previous years. Boston came through with a 14/29 but Philly dropped the ball, big time. The Flyers really have zero sex appeal for the average joe, so all things considered this is a pretty good win for the NHL.
[quote comment=”370207″][quote comment=”370202″][quote comment=”370188″][quote comment=”370183″]NHL Winter Classic scored a 2.6 from Neilsen’s, down from 2.9 last year, and even with the 2008 game.
In other news, Chris Pronger is the first athlete to be credited with six hits in one game since the BoSox’ Jerry Remy did it in 1981. LOL[/quote]
Penn State in the Capital One Bowl against the WC really ruined the Philly local area…it only garnered a 6 rating/11 share. By far the lowest local rating of any of the 6 teams to have played in the WC.[/quote]
I think the novelty wears off after a while and people realize that it is just another relatively meaningless regular season game. The NHL and NBA were both more interesting to me when they had their strike shortened 50 game seasons. 50 games is about right to make all of the games mean something.[/quote]
If you look at the numbers, the WC did as well or better nationally as it did previous years. Boston came through with a 14/29 but Philly dropped the ball, big time. The Flyers really have zero sex appeal for the average joe, so all things considered this is a pretty good win for the NHL.[/quote]
Yup. Certainly no reason to stop doing it. If they sold the ad time based on matching last year, they delivered.
It is, however, possibly one more reason for them to ponder Yankee Stadium or Citi for 2011…no likely conflicts with a local college football team being in a New Year’s Day Bowl. Unless we count UConn and Rutgers as being huge draws in NYC.
Or Columbia has an unforeseen miracle resurgency.
—Ricko
[quote comment=”370208″][quote comment=”370207″][quote comment=”370202″][quote comment=”370188″][quote comment=”370183″]NHL Winter Classic scored a 2.6 from Neilsen’s, down from 2.9 last year, and even with the 2008 game.
In other news, Chris Pronger is the first athlete to be credited with six hits in one game since the BoSox’ Jerry Remy did it in 1981. LOL[/quote]
Penn State in the Capital One Bowl against the WC really ruined the Philly local area…it only garnered a 6 rating/11 share. By far the lowest local rating of any of the 6 teams to have played in the WC.[/quote]
I think the novelty wears off after a while and people realize that it is just another relatively meaningless regular season game. The NHL and NBA were both more interesting to me when they had their strike shortened 50 game seasons. 50 games is about right to make all of the games mean something.[/quote]
If you look at the numbers, the WC did as well or better nationally as it did previous years. Boston came through with a 14/29 but Philly dropped the ball, big time. The Flyers really have zero sex appeal for the average joe, so all things considered this is a pretty good win for the NHL.[/quote]
Yup. Certainly no reason to stop doing it. If they sold the ad time based on matching last year, they delivered.
It is, however, possibly one more reason for them to ponder Yankee Stadium or Citi for 2011…no likely conflicts with a local college football team being in a New Year’s Day Bowl. Unless we count UConn and Rutgers as being huge draws in NYC.
Or Columbia has an unforeseen miracle resurgency.
—Ricko[/quote]
The best part about this whole thing is that it appears Philly was NBC’s request. The NHL apparently wanted Washington in the game.
Totally off topic
Someone posted a link to a message board where a poster photoshopped various NCAA football fields to see what it would be like if Nebraska had a red field and such, much like Boise State’s blue turf
Anyone have that link? There was probably a half dozen pictures of various ideas.
Thanks!
“The best part about this whole thing is that it appears Philly was NBC’s request. The NHL apparently wanted Washington in the game.”
Well, brings me back to my best educated guess (not a prediction, just looking at the way they appear to be thinking) that it will be Caps-Rangers at Yankee Stadium in 2011 (to show off AO). Unless they try some last gasp move to keep the Islanders where they are and go with Caps-Islanders at Citi.
Huge market (NYC) and a young star (AO).
—Ricko
[quote comment=”370211″]Unless they try some last gasp move to keep the Islanders where they are and go with Caps-Islanders at Citi.[/quote]
if they do that, they’ll be looking at a ZERO share
even i wouldn’t watch
stay tuned ricko…i have a feeling we’ll be hearing more about this over the weekend
I was told that the flyers are wearing their winter classic jerseys at home this wednesday against toronto. have any of you heard something similar?
[quote comment=”370203″]I’m not sure there exists a game that will be called because of frostbite conditions. Look at the games they’ve played at Lambeau over the years, or the 1981 AFC championship game. And players insist on going sleeveless![/quote]
Yeah, you’re probably right, unless we get a blizzard like the one in 1978.
[quote comment=”370205″][quote comment=”370197″][quote comment=”370176″]…
As for those elements changing the game, altering the outcome, two thoughts…
1. Is same for both teams, no?
2. The wind can cause interceptions and 10-yard punts on a clear, sunny day. That mean, for example, the Bears should have to move to a field further away from the lake shore?
—Ricko[/quote]
But imagine (say) Saints vs. Colts in the Super Bowl. Two great offensive teams. On a muddy field, ripped up field. Final score 3-0 with 120 yards of total offence. Basically that Steelers-Dolphins Monday night game at Heinz Field a couple of years ago.
Yes its even for both teams, its fun to watch a mud game, but it doesn’t seem like the right way to decide anything meaningful.
Weather and field conditions are part of the game, but within reason.[/quote]
So you’d vote for a neutral, warm weather World Series site? There’s a better argument for that than for a neutral Super Bowl…as far as bad weather NOT being part of the game.
—Ricko[/quote]
No. And I’m not in favour of sanitizing the game of football either, just arguing that at some point with a bad field the game stops being a fair contest where the better team will usually win and, and instead becomes something different.
Suppose St. Louis met Indy in week 17 this year at Heinz Field. In a game on any reasonable field, Indy wins by 40-50 points. In six inches of muck and crap, St. Louis stands a decent chance of winning a 2-0 game. Again, its fun to watch but its just not right.
And as far as the World Series goes, I don’t think anyone is seriously arguing for a neutral site. BUT if the playoffs keep creeping into November, its going to get less fun to watch as weather plays more of a role and talent less of a role.
(I just looked this up – the 1979 World Series ended on October 17, this past years STARTED on October 28th and ended on November 4th)
[quote comment=”370208″][quote comment=”370207″][quote comment=”370202″][quote comment=”370188″][quote comment=”370183″]NHL Winter Classic scored a 2.6 from Neilsen’s, down from 2.9 last year, and even with the 2008 game.
In other news, Chris Pronger is the first athlete to be credited with six hits in one game since the BoSox’ Jerry Remy did it in 1981. LOL[/quote]
Penn State in the Capital One Bowl against the WC really ruined the Philly local area…it only garnered a 6 rating/11 share. By far the lowest local rating of any of the 6 teams to have played in the WC.[/quote]
I think the novelty wears off after a while and people realize that it is just another relatively meaningless regular season game. The NHL and NBA were both more interesting to me when they had their strike shortened 50 game seasons. 50 games is about right to make all of the games mean something.[/quote]
If you look at the numbers, the WC did as well or better nationally as it did previous years. Boston came through with a 14/29 but Philly dropped the ball, big time. The Flyers really have zero sex appeal for the average joe, so all things considered this is a pretty good win for the NHL.[/quote]
Yup. Certainly no reason to stop doing it. If they sold the ad time based on matching last year, they delivered.
It is, however, possibly one more reason for them to ponder Yankee Stadium or Citi for 2011…no likely conflicts with a local college football team being in a New Year’s Day Bowl. Unless we count UConn and Rutgers as being huge draws in NYC.
Or Columbia has an unforeseen miracle resurgency.
—Ricko[/quote]
Yankee Stadium is scheduled to host the “Yankee Bowl” in late December or early January. Rules Yankee Stadium out for the Winter Classic.
I read an article somewhere that the Yankee brass was still trying to figure out how they could both at Yankee Stadium (move the game to the 6/7 of January or earlier in December). But it does seem likely that it has hurt (if not ruined) the chance at Yankee Stadium…Hello new Giants Stadium.
[quote comment=”370215″]And I’m not in favour of sanitizing the game of football either, just arguing that at some point with a bad field the game stops being a fair contest where the better team will usually win and, and instead becomes something different.
Suppose St. Louis met Indy in week 17 this year at Heinz Field. In a game on any reasonable field, Indy wins by 40-50 points. In six inches of muck and crap, St. Louis stands a decent chance of winning a 2-0 game. Again, its fun to watch but its just not right.
And as far as the World Series goes, I don’t think anyone is seriously arguing for a neutral site. BUT if the playoffs keep creeping into November, its going to get less fun to watch as weather plays more of a role and talent less of a role.
(I just looked this up – the 1979 World Series ended on October 17, this past years STARTED on October 28th and ended on November 4th)[/quote]
There’s the problem with baseball – it’s being played too late. Too late in the season and too late in the evening.
As for your Colts/Rams example, it would be right if the Rams won. If the Colts couldn’t adjust to the weather, then they’re not the best team that day. They might be the best team in a controlled climate, but the “best team” to me is one who can play in any weather.
The orange pants are back!!
Ladies and gentleman, this game is not a lock for the worst matchup of next week’s Top 5 list. I kinda like TCU’s riflery unis, and Boise’s orange pants really redeems their look.
They’re in the running, but I’m not assuming anything until I see all the bowls.
[quote comment=”370217″]I read an article somewhere that the Yankee brass was still trying to figure out how they could both at Yankee Stadium (move the game to the 6/7 of January or earlier in December). But it does seem likely that it has hurt (if not ruined) the chance at Yankee Stadium…Hello new Giants Stadium.[/quote]
funny thing is…new giants stadium could have hosted the this past WC…it’s been ready for quite some time
problem is, you can’t “reserve” the new stadium when both the jets and giants might actually “need” it — so…maybe hello OLD giants stadium
and i think the yankees may have actually damaged their chances at the WC by not wanting the one which ended up being played at wrigley because, supposedly, they didn’t want the last sporting event to be held there NOT to be baseball (OYS that is…not the new one)…and im pretty sure mike styczen is correct about the ‘yankee bowl’ … i actually thought they were trying for one this year, but then never heard about it again
food for thought on where the next one will be played tho…
holy moly
boise in orange pants!
Alas, there are still the goofy butt stripes on the orange pants, but this game looks better than I thought it would.
I was watching my hockey on VS, flipped over to see the TCU/Boise game and saw TCU’s helmets. Those aren’t their normal helmets are they? What’s the deal?
[quote comment=”370186″]“I guarantee you that one of my readers is taking a screen shot at this very moement.”
…
“The virtues of the wonderful American educational system were on full display in Houston.”
…
Did the American educational system fail you as well?[/quote]
I would guess that the spelling of “moement” was because the fans in Houston were demonstrating that they were stooges.
[quote comment=”370223″]I was watching my hockey on VS, flipped over to see the TCU/Boise game and saw TCU’s helmets. Those aren’t their normal helmets are they? What’s the deal?[/quote]
yeah, um
they’re riflery unis
Congratulations, TCU! It takes an extraordinary effort to make Boise State in orange pants the better looking team.
Well, the last time Boise wore white jerseys and orange pants at the Fiesta Bowl, it kinda went well for them.
[quote comment=”370225″][quote comment=”370223″]I was watching my hockey on VS, flipped over to see the TCU/Boise game and saw TCU’s helmets. Those aren’t their normal helmets are they? What’s the deal?[/quote]
yeah, um
link[/quote]
Ahhh, Thanks Phil. Been out of the Uni Watch loop for a while. Need to get back to it :)
BTW, this is one of the ugliest looking football games I’ve seen in a while.
I have to switch to the fantastic looking NYR/BOS game to keep my eyes from bleeding.
Sign me up for the Beavers striped sleeves.
Does anyone notice that most if not all of TCU’s players are wearing tinted visors?
[quote comment=”370229″]BTW, this is one of the ugliest looking football games I’ve seen in a while.
I have to switch to the fantastic looking NYR/BOS game to keep my eyes from bleeding.[/quote]
Compared to last year’s Poinsettia Bowl, link this game looks pretty good. Well, better, at least.
By the way, could someone tell Tim Ryan it’s “Poinsettia” instead of “Poinsietta”? He’s mangled that one a few times tonight.
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By the way, could someone tell Tim Ryan it’s “Poinsettia” instead of “Poinsietta”? He’s mangled that one a few times tonight.[/quote]
all together now
Typical of me to join late in the day….
A uniform should be dirty filthy muddy when the final gun sounds. All these turf games end with clean uniforms. Except for the gatorade doused coach. Another fad that needs to end NOW. I wouldn’t be surprised to see that Todd Haley got a bath after the Chiefs win yesterday. Stooooopid tradition.
[quote comment=”370233″][quote comment=”370232″]
By the way, could someone tell Tim Ryan it’s “Poinsettia” instead of “Poinsietta”? He’s mangled that one a few times tonight.[/quote]
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How about pronunciation #2?
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So this has to be the worst looking BCS game ever, right? Usually your typical Cincinnati or Boise State clown suit is neutralized by a nice looking uniform like Florida or Oklahoma, but this is straight up Arena league.
TCU is one of those classy schools that still wears just one-color-and-white. And tonight I see they’re wearing…they’re wearing…
Is TCU even PLAYING? Some team in black, gray and purple with some red is out there. Or IS it TCU and their unis missed the plane so they borrowed from a local junior college?
(TPIC)
—Ricko
Just saw this Q&A on Brewers.com:
I saw one link (which I cannot seem to locate again) listing the Brewers as unveiling a new alternate jersey around the time of the winter fanfest, but extensive web hunting hasn’t led anywhere. So I guess this is a two-part question: 1. Are there any lurking uniform changes for the Brewers in 2010? And, 2. Is the Retro Friday alternate uniform still happening in 2010? Thanks and Merry Christmas!
— Chris R., St. Anthony Village, Minn.
I think I can safely answer the second half of your question and say that, yes, the Brewers are planning to host Retro Fridays again in 2010. But club officials can’t/won’t talk about the first half, so for now we’ll have to wait and see. I’m not sure that we will have our answer in time for the Jan. 31 Brewers On Deck event, but if you’re interested in tickets, they are available online at a discount.
Chris also sent along a good question about some inconsistent uniform numbers on the roster page of Brewers.com, and the Brewers’ Mike Vassallo was kind enough to send an updated list before the holidays. Randy Wolf, LaTroy Hawkins and Luis Cruz are all updated, along with a couple of coaches and the full list of non-roster invitees.
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So…just like the answer I got in late November from the Brewers, they are neither confirming or denying any uniform changes this year, and are pointing at Jan. 31st as a day that things might be unveiled. It is nice that they could confirm Retro Fridays again though.
The TCU unis are pretty ugly. But I love the helmet treatment. Wonder if that is paint, an all-over decal, or what. Very neat.
[quote comment=”370112″]Are the Chargers changing helmets for the playoffs??
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Did they change the name of the stadium too? It’s been called Landshark Stadium all season and now the graphic shows it as Dolphin Stadium. Perhaps the Landshark deal didn’t include the playoffs/Super Bowl?
/I’m still calling it Joe Robbie
[quote comment=”370238″]Just saw this Q&A on Brewers.com:
I saw one link (which I cannot seem to locate again) listing the Brewers as unveiling a new alternate jersey around the time of the winter fanfest, but extensive web hunting hasn’t led anywhere. So I guess this is a two-part question: 1. Are there any lurking uniform changes for the Brewers in 2010? And, 2. Is the Retro Friday alternate uniform still happening in 2010? Thanks and Merry Christmas!
— Chris R., St. Anthony Village, Minn.
I think I can safely answer the second half of your question and say that, yes, the Brewers are planning to host Retro Fridays again in 2010. But club officials can’t/won’t talk about the first half, so for now we’ll have to wait and see. I’m not sure that we will have our answer in time for the Jan. 31 Brewers On Deck event, but if you’re interested in tickets, they are available online at a discount.
Chris also sent along a good question about some inconsistent uniform numbers on the roster page of Brewers.com, and the Brewers’ Mike Vassallo was kind enough to send an updated list before the holidays. Randy Wolf, LaTroy Hawkins and Luis Cruz are all updated, along with a couple of coaches and the full list of non-roster invitees.
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So…just like the answer I got in late November from the Brewers, they are neither confirming or denying any uniform changes this year, and are pointing at Jan. 31st as a day that things might be unveiled. It is nice that they could confirm Retro Fridays again though.[/quote]
Here is the link:
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Also, isn’t this the Brewers 10th season at Miller Park? I would think they would at least having a patch to commemorate that at least.
UNI WISE not bad fiesta bowl damn bcs stickers though, and boise with blue stripes every where nice orange pants though. but thank god fox is done covering bcs bowls after this year cant handle random fan shot after every play hey look its the bald guy with the faded purple shirt and the fat girl in the orange AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote comment=”370239″]The TCU unis are pretty ugly. But I love the helmet treatment. Wonder if that is paint, an all-over decal, or what. Very neat.[/quote]
I’m liking the TCU unis better than the purple and black. That helmet is pretty amazing. Can’t quite figure out the pants. Are they a lizard pattern, just gradient or what?
[quote comment=”370237″]TCU is one of those classy schools that still wears just one-color-and-white. And tonight I see they’re wearing…they’re wearing…
Is TCU even PLAYING? Some team in black, gray and purple with some red is out there. Or IS it TCU and their unis missed the plane so they borrowed from a local junior college?
(TPIC)
—Ricko[/quote]
They’ve been wearing black for a while. Don’t think they did when LT played there, but it’s been a while.
[quote comment=”370242″]UNI WISE not bad fiesta bowl damn bcs stickers though, and boise with blue stripes every where nice orange pants though. but thank god fox is done covering bcs bowls after this year cant handle random fan shot after every play hey look its the bald guy with the faded purple shirt and the fat girl in the orange AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]
Those gratuitous Tositos shots are cheesy. Really.
should say good orange if the random blue strips weren’t everywhere also noticed atleast boise got rid of broncos under the back numbers, hey look its bald guy in the front row with a beer again also did you know boise qb moore’s little brother plays wr
[quote comment=”370243″][quote comment=”370239″]The TCU unis are pretty ugly. But I love the helmet treatment. Wonder if that is paint, an all-over decal, or what. Very neat.[/quote]
I’m liking the TCU unis better than the purple and black. That helmet is pretty amazing. Can’t quite figure out the pants. Are they a lizard pattern, just gradient or what?[/quote]
those are their riferly uniforms from earlier in the year, its ok awsome to see fat punter try to sqeeze into them…lol…
I just got in a while ago. Turned on the TCU Boise game. The halftime show came on. Can anybody tell who it is brought to you by??
[quote comment=”370244″][quote comment=”370237″]TCU is one of those classy schools that still wears just one-color-and-white. And tonight I see they’re wearing…they’re wearing…
Is TCU even PLAYING? Some team in black, gray and purple with some red is out there. Or IS it TCU and their unis missed the plane so they borrowed from a local junior college?
(TPIC)
—Ricko[/quote]
They’ve been wearing black for a while. Don’t think they did when LT played there, but it’s been a while.[/quote]
LaDanian wore essentially the same current crappy regular TCU uniform they have now. It’s been around since the mid 90’s I think. On the road they aren’t so bad, but at home they ALWAYS wear the purple jersey with black pants.
Again, I can’t believe TCU wore the riflery uni’s tonight. Well, I mean I CAN believe it, but at the same time I can’t. It’s the biggest stage they’ve ever played on, the only game on national t.v. in prime time, and they trot out in space lizard suits that have nothing whatsoever to do with the university they supposedly represent. “Hi America, we’re TCU! Our colors are purplish, red, charcoal, silver and…what is that? Acid wash?”
I counted 789 Reese’s logos on the screen when Fox halftime came on
One thing I like about TCU’s combat unis is that they are one of the few without all the white.
Most of the Combat unis had way too much white.
I only saw FSU on highlights and did not see them during the game.
TCU’s are one of the better ones in my opinion.
[quote comment=”370249″][quote comment=”370244″][quote comment=”370237″]TCU is one of those classy schools that still wears just one-color-and-white. And tonight I see they’re wearing…they’re wearing…
Is TCU even PLAYING? Some team in black, gray and purple with some red is out there. Or IS it TCU and their unis missed the plane so they borrowed from a local junior college?
(TPIC)
—Ricko[/quote]
They’ve been wearing black for a while. Don’t think they did when LT played there, but it’s been a while.[/quote]
LaDanian wore essentially the same current crappy regular TCU uniform they have now. It’s been around since the mid 90’s I think. On the road they aren’t so bad, but at home they ALWAYS wear the purple jersey with black pants.
Again, I can’t believe TCU wore the riflery uni’s tonight. Well, I mean I CAN believe it, but at the same time I can’t. It’s the biggest stage they’ve ever played on, the only game on national t.v. in prime time, and they trot out in space lizard suits that have nothing whatsoever to do with the university they supposedly represent. “Hi America, we’re TCU! Our colors are purplish, red, charcoal, silver and…what is that? Acid wash?”[/quote]
While I just said I like TCU’s better than most of the others. I do agree in teams should wear school colors and TCU’s regular purple helmets are not bad.
L.T. in purple and black link
[quote comment=”370209″]The best part about this whole thing is that it appears Philly was NBC’s request. The NHL apparently wanted Washington in the game.[/quote]
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As for the Rangers hosting the game at the Meadowlands, wouldn’t the Devils have something to say about that?
I’d think that if the Rangers were going to host and Yankee Stadium is out of the question, Sheati would be the only real choice.
Since the Green Bay Packers designate different captains every week, and also because they are ugly, they do not wear the captaincy patches. However, a few years ago when the Pack made their run, they designated captains for the entire playoffs giving the Pack this look:
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Mike McCarthy revealed today that he will again designate captains for the playoffs again. He did not mention if the patches will be worn though:
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(You like to switch captains every week, but do you have to designate captains for the entire playoffs? Who are they going to be?)
– Yes. We’re going to present that to the team tomorrow. We’ll let you know tomorrow. I’d rather do that with the team first.
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[quote comment=”370251″]Most of the Combat unis had way too much white.[/quote]
you say that like it’s a bad thing
I’ll say this and then duck…
Seeing as how the Frogs already did BFBS, the riflery unis seem to show off the Purple better. While not the best choice of unis (at least the cheerleaders stuck to purple and white), I think it’s better than the regular unis.
Same with the Broncos. They never should have changed the ’07 unis, but these are better than this year’s regulars.
[quote comment=”370256″][quote comment=”370251″]Most of the Combat unis had way too much white.[/quote]
you say that like it’s a bad thing[/quote]
I would say yes it was. Especially the teams that went with white helmets. Miami Fla has white helmets but the white pants and white sleeves and white jerseys and white helmets.
Nt just the canes but too many of them had too much white. And many of them had white jerseys like Oklahoma.Even LSU wore white jerseys right? I did like LSU’s gold helmets. Maybe was my favorite helmet of them all.
[quote comment=”370240″][quote comment=”370112″]Are the Chargers changing helmets for the playoffs??
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Did they change the name of the stadium too? It’s been called Landshark Stadium all season and now the graphic shows it as Dolphin Stadium. Perhaps the Landshark deal didn’t include the playoffs/Super Bowl?
/I’m still calling it Joe Robbie[/quote]
The NFL doesn’t allow temporary naming rights deals, as is the case with Land Shark Lager, so it’s back to being called Dolphin Stadium now that regular season is over.
The Land Shark deal wasn’t a true naming thing though anyway. Jimmy Buffet bought into the team, and the team changed the name for publicity. It wasn’t a true “pay for the name” thing like most others.
Personally, I think Land Shark is a decent name that doesn’t sound too corporate. I’d rather see them keep that than revert back after only a few months since the last change.
No matter what though, I still call it “Joe Player Stadium”.
[quote comment=”370256″][quote comment=”370251″]Most of the Combat unis had way too much white.[/quote]
you say that like it’s a bad thing[/quote]
It isn’t a bad thing, but I HATE Sconnie’s away duds:
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Do they have too much red to call it a “Storm Trooper” look? Nevertheless, I hate watching Bucky on the road cause their uniforms look so bland and unfinished. For me, it is too white.
[quote comment=”370257″]I’ll say this and then duck…
Seeing as how the Frogs already did BFBS, the riflery unis seem to show off the Purple better. While not the best choice of unis (at least the cheerleaders stuck to purple and white), I think it’s better than the regular unis.
Same with the Broncos. They never should have changed the ’07 unis, but these are better than this year’s regulars.[/quote]
I agree that this is a better showcase of TCU’s purple. Sure white is their other official color, but I don’t mind this charcoal when compared to black. These purple shirts with grey pants are way better than black shirts with purple pants.
I really like the TCU unis. Ya’ll are always bitchin about how nike has taken away the identities of all the schools by giving them thwe same jersey with different colors. Well they’ve giving TCU and BSU very unique unis. The HF Skin print is perfect for TCU so they dont have to rely on BFBS and those weird triangles. And BSU’s stripes are a little…well strange but unique. But that that sum up bsu? A little wierd but everybody knows about it…….
Just sayin
Hehe. You said “Longest NOB in sports.”
Sorry, I couldn’t resist.
[quote comment=”370195″]Besides being at Soldier Field on the same day, what did Sean Landeta and Mike Ditka have in common? The same helmet: link
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This site shows a kind of single-bar Hall of Fame:
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Didn’t know Doug Flutie rocked the single bar with San Diego: link
One of my favorite shots: Moseley kicking with Theismann holding: link
He regularly wore this:
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this is NOT greater than this…but both are WAY greater than this
so that’s one uni where less is more
same thing here:
this > than this
OTOH…
this sucks ass compared to this
i’d say oklahoma and texas were a wash
and mizzou (not a bad uni, but where’s the gold) and tOSU were a fail (and neither were all white)
florida, fsu & tcu…um, no (although fsu’s uni, by itself, wasn’t horrible…just needed some gold)
fox should appologize for anyone who has epilepsy due to all the flashing back fan shots i am sure several thousand people ended up siezing on there floor. i cant wait to see them go redrum on the orange bowl tommarow. camera guy trying to follow the ball on the triple option awsome!!!not!!!lol cant wait to hear the color guy say nothing but dead space like this douchebag. would like to fill fox in on a new technology instant fricken replay a 4th down incompletion on the sidelines and its never seen again. we did see everything else except the line for the head during their coverage. the surprising part is they do a decent job during the year on sat afternoon big12 and evening pac10. but these guys fricken suck and the director should be fired what he got his degree from devry! fox just go away what a waste of a good defencsive game… sorry had to rant that was so trash garbage.
Next year’s Florida pants?
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—Ricko
new GT unis for orange bowl link doesnt take much to improve their set… still mediocre
[quote comment=”370251″]One thing I like about TCU’s combat unis is that they are one of the few without all the white.
Most of the Combat unis had way too much white.
I only saw FSU on highlights and did not see them during the game.
TCU’s are one of the better ones in my opinion.[/quote]
I just found the proposed link unis for Oklahoma State.
Hell of a lot better than the ones that were link based on the standard template the link link. (All photos of Keith Toston – last one is his sweet jump pass!)
[quote comment=”370267″]Next year’s Florida pants?
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—Ricko[/quote]
link is broken for me. I’m curious as to what FL team you mean. Gators, or other?
[quote comment=”370122″]You’d think someone with the Cardinals would realize the monochrome cherry makes them look like the Ragin’ Redbirds of HayBailer High (total enrollment 112, and “a real powerhouse in 9-man ever since the Smedberg boys–Lyle and Elwood–moved t’ town cuz their Daddy took a job over t’ the rendering plant”).
Then again, it IS the Bidwells. Cardinals are like the Twins of the NFL. Apparently have absolutely no innate sense of style or taste, so if someone tells them something looks great, they just assume it’s true.
—Ricko[/quote]
Now that pretty much articulates how I feel about the Saints leotards – but i muct admit that the Cards “used Tampon” is actually just as bad.
Dig the charectar references, as well as the rendering plant – every town with a poorly dressed 9 man HS team has one.
[quote comment=”370162″]Has anyone seen any photos of the Jets’ halftime tribute, besides link on the Daily News website?
There are 3 different Jets unis represented and I’m trying to identify all the players, but I’m not sure about a couple of them. Note that Wayne Chrebet is wearing his 1995 rookie jersey even though he spent more years in the current (1998-) design.
Help me out on the players; I can’t recognize a lot of these guys by face:
Kneeling (l-r): Adrian Murrell #29, Leon Washington #29 (??), Wayne Chrebet #80, Ken Schroy #48 (?), (#42 ??), Bruce Harper #42, Mark Gastineau #99, James Hasty (or Bobby Jackson?) #40, Jeff Criswell #61, Wesley Walker #85.
Standing (in jersey only, l-r): Vinny Testaverde #16, Richie Anderson #33 (?), (#7x ??), Ty Law #24 (??), Jason Fabini #69 (?), (?? # obscured), Mo Lewis #57(?), Victor Green #21, (?? # obscured), Erik McMillan #22, (?? # obscured), Al Toon #88, Jeff Lageman (or Lance Mehl?) #56, Pat Leahy #5, Joe Klecko #73.[/quote]
I feel the need to correct myself on some of these after looking up some of the Jets’ recent rosters.
Kneeling row: The second #29 is probably Donnie Abraham, not Leon Washington. #42 is probably Marcus Coleman.
Standing: #33 is Jerald Sowell, not Richie Anderson. #24 is probably Ray Mickens, not Ty Law.
Do the stripes on Bengals’ pants, going from back to front, can always go either slant up or slant down? If you look at this photo here:
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The stripes on Palmer’s pants slant up while Ochocincos slant down, which should be the norm.
Same here, the stripes on #41 slant up while those of the other Bengal slant down:
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Good snow photo – I’m going to use it and link to you from it, if that’s OK by you?