Who Was Lamer: Phyllis George or Jayne Kennedy? Discuss.

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From: James
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(Highly original, no?)

Back off Phyllis George. Not her fault networks only hired female sports reporters back then if they were beauty queens and genuflected to just about any male anchor with an annoyingly affected speaking style and/or a hairpiece.

The videos also remind me of two things:
1) How annoying Brent Musberger was even back then.
2) How good OJ Anderson was his rookie year and how awful most of his STL Cardinal teammates were.

Back off Phyllis George. Not her fault networks only hired female sports reporters back then if they were beauty queens and genuflected to just about any male anchor with an annoyingly affected speaking style and/or a hairpiece.

The videos remind me of two things:
1) How annoying Brent Musberger even back then.
2) How good OJ Anderson was his rookie year and how awful many of his St. Louis Cardinals teammates were.

Paul, That isn’t the “name on back” (NOB) of the officials. I think it would be considered the “position on back” (POB). It stated which official was which… i.e. “Umpire”, “Referee” & “Side Judge”.

Don’t forget CBS’s link…

Everybody!

“Happy Birthday to you,
Happy Birthday to you,
Happy Birthday, Dear Phil,
Happy Birthday to you.”

And, of course, one yutz will continue,
“How old are you…”

(Take it, The Jeff) ;)

Now, had Phil grown up in the Twin Cities, this most surely would warm his cockles…
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—Ricko

And here’s the full disco version of the 1970’s NBC Sports theme, by the same composer. Makes me think of Bryant Gumbel for some reason.

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[quote comment=”369906″][quote comment=”369904″]While watching that ’78 NFL Today Intro I couldn’t help but remember the Jets “silent game”, I think it was in ’80. I remember being riveted to the TV for the whole game.[/quote]

1980, Jets at Dolphins, I believe.[/quote]
You got it Ricko. Just looked it up on Wiki, Dec 20, 1980 Jets @ Dolphins

Paul,
You were not the only one transfixed to the TV once the music started to the CBS and NBC intros, I also experienced a Pavlovian reaction. (Still do!) It was the Sunday morning equal to Monday Night Football’s theme.
As far as the debate between Phyllis and Jayne, Phyllis was OK but for me Jayne Kennedy was it. I had a huge crush on that otherworldly beauty : )
(I was a kid in the Green Bay area, anyone not German, Polish or Irish qualified. In fact, even Italians seemed borderline exotic back then.)
In terms of John Stallworth and hands on the hips it seems that the 70’s was the crossover period where you still had three point stance ‘split ends’ and the new ‘wide receiver’ upright stances.

That lever being pulled from the NFL Today intro reminded me of this. Skip to 3:35.
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paul, why, exactly, do you refer to the nike thing as the “riflery program”? is it because of it being called “combat” whatever? i guess i missed when you first explained why you chose to refer to those unis as “riflery” unis.

To answer the original discussion from today’s posting…one thing for certain: Phyllis George has aged EXTREMELY well…WOW!!!

Who cares “who was lamer”…both Phyllis and Jayne paved the way for the Andrea Kramer’s/Hannah Storm’s/Erin Andrew’s of the sports world…

Enjoy the games…

[quote comment=”369916″][quote comment=”369908″][quote comment=”369906″][quote comment=”369904″]While watching that ’78 NFL Today Intro I couldn’t help but remember the Jets “silent game”, I think it was in ’80. I remember being riveted to the TV for the whole game.[/quote]

1980, Jets at Dolphins, I believe.[/quote]

Or maybe ’81. One of the other, for sure.[/quote]
It was the last game of the 1980 season. Jets @ Dolphins[/quote]
Could you imagine any network attempting the same thing this weekend?
Not likely. Hell, the League, the players union, would both have a fit. Now, the officials union would probably love it.

For a few years in the early-to-mid 70s, NBC used that theme music for baseball, football, and even hockey. If you got to MLB.com and check out their free view of the ’75 All-Star game, you hear it. There used to be a clip on YouTube of the hockey theme but I can’t find it.

How about Vin Scully calling football? You get those December afternoons in Minnesota an it’s not a very pleasant good afternoon to you, wherever you may be.

I believe that 1970 Dallas v Detroit playoff game
ended with the Cowboys winning by the strange score of 5-0.

I’m sure it shows what kind of guy I am-and I assure I understand usage of jargon in context. However – I’d choose Faith over Hank for that activity mentioned. And while any evidence of Phyllis George’s skills remains unknown to me, Jayne Kennedy’s is availabale for d/l. . ..

[quote comment=”369923″]I believe that 1970 Dallas v Detroit playoff game
ended with the Cowboys winning by the strange score of 5-0.[/quote]

Yes, that is correct. It was the only time the Lions made the playoffs in the 70’s

I didn’t realize that so many endzones were blank back then.

[quote comment=”369930″][quote comment=”369928″]If COLTS end up running the table from here on out, how long we think it will be before people stop talking about Caldwell sitting down Petyon and others last week?

btw, my vote for “Dumbest Talking Head Comment of 2009” goes to Tony Kornheiser, who actually said Caldwell wasn’t being fair to gamblers and people who play fantasy football.

Congratulations, Couch Potoatoes, you now officially matter. At least to Tony Kornheiser.

—Ricko[/quote]

Why not? Sports has morphed into being concerned with money above all else, right? Well Fantasy Football and Gambling are giant money makers these days.[/quote]

Let’s just hope it never goes so far that the NFL (or any sport) officially says it should take into account those who need point spreads and imaginary games to stay interested in the product.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”369902″]The graphics on those CBS clips may look rinky-dink, but they weren’t. That was state-the-art.

Anybody really rememember the first “Instant Replays”? Pioneered on AFL telecasts, I think (remember one of the first I saw was replay of catch by Oilers Charlie Hennigan). They could show it again at regular speed, but no slo-mo, as such. They could stop and start them, but not a specific places. Would leap forward a fixed number of frames and freeze. Then advance again, and stop. You got to see what was there wherever it stopped.

Things change.

—Ricko[/quote]

The first instant replay was used at an Army-Navy game…1963, I believe. Lindsay Nelson called the game.

Didn’t see it (or anything else that year ’cause I wasn’t around yet), but I remember reading about it. The one time I won a radio call-in contest, it was for answering that question.

My prize? A “Cow Christmas” CD. We listened to it a few times, but I wasn’t moooved enough to keep it…

First & foremost Happy Birthday Phil!!!

Love the vintage NFL videos. I’ve got a few on youtube as well. Mostly vintage Seahawks stuff, however, I do have this one featuring those cheap ass Rawlings helmets.

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Now, that’s not the best NFL intro back in the day, yet, this Monday Night Football intro. is, in my opinion, the best.

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[quote comment=”369930″][quote comment=”369928″]If COLTS end up running the table from here on out, how long we think it will be before people stop talking about Caldwell sitting down Petyon and others last week?

btw, my vote for “Dumbest Talking Head Comment of 2009” goes to Tony Kornheiser, who actually said Caldwell wasn’t being fair to gamblers and people who play fantasy football.

Congratulations, Couch Potoatoes, you now officially matter. At least to Tony Kornheiser.

—Ricko[/quote]

Why not? Sports has morphed into being concerned with money above all else, right? Well Fantasy Football and Gambling are giant money makers these days.[/quote]

Lame.

Whoa, almost time for the “Which Of You Teams Is Most Tired of Sucking Lately?” Bowl (Giants at Vikings).

Actually, an interesting combination of colors, though:
Purple, Athletic Gold, White vs. White, Royal, Red, Gray.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”369934″][quote comment=”369933″][quote comment=”369902″]The graphics on those CBS clips may look rinky-dink, but they weren’t. That was state-the-art.

Anybody really rememember the first “Instant Replays”? Pioneered on AFL telecasts, I think (remember one of the first I saw was replay of catch by Oilers Charlie Hennigan). They could show it again at regular speed, but no slo-mo, as such. They could stop and start them, but not a specific places. Would leap forward a fixed number of frames and freeze. Then advance again, and stop. You got to see what was there wherever it stopped.

Things change.

—Ricko[/quote]

The first instant replay was used at an Army-Navy game…1963, I believe. Lindsay Nelson called the game.

Didn’t see it (or anything else that year ’cause I wasn’t around yet), but I remember reading about it. The one time I won a radio call-in contest, it was for answering that question.

My prize? A “Cow Christmas” CD. We listened to it a few times, but I wasn’t moooved enough to keep it…[/quote]

’63 seems right, because the Hennigan replay I so vividly recall came late in the season (probably after the Army-Navy game) and was in the home stripeless jersey and single-white-stripe helmet (three white sleeve stripes and additional stripes–two of them red—came with the new Oiler unis in ’64).

—Ricko[/quote]

wasn’t the first EVER “instant” replay (not just nfl) ever one of the mickey mantle moonshots in (i think) 1961*

im almost 99% certain that was the first ever time such a device was used

as far as the nfl, no idea, but im pretty sure i heard that a mantle HR was the first ever use

The soundtrack of my youth: 1970’s NFL Pregame Show theme music.

A lot of stuff sure looked better in the ’70’s (logos, socks, sleeves–look at the Eagles and Cardinals and Lions and tell me that they look better today), including the crude (though not at the time) graphics. What passes today as information on the screen is, to me, eye pollution.

Yes, I am old. :)

[quote comment=”369944″][quote comment=”369940″]At the 3:19 mark of the first video, the illustration behind Brent turns from a RB into a kicker. Anyone know who that is? I have two guesses – either Mike Bragg…or…did Paul Hourning kick back in the day?[/quote]
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Colors are wigged out.
RB is Browns’ Greg Pruitt.
K is Cowboys’ Rafael Septien (holder back then was Charlie Waters, #41)

—Ricko

Whoa! CBS is counter-programming the Bears game on Fox with a *gasp* NFL game? I was expecting to flip over and see a gardening show or something.

And it looks like we get NFL double-headers on both networks today. Shocking.

[quote comment=”369947″]Whoa! CBS is counter-programming the Bears game on Fox with a *gasp* NFL game? I was expecting to flip over and see a gardening show or something.

And it looks like we get NFL double-headers on both networks today. Shocking.[/quote]

Bears on road, not unusual. Depends on which network has the doubleheader weekend.

If it’s CBS’ weekend we get a game opposite a Vikings road game on Fox every time.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”369946″][quote comment=”369940″]At the 3:19 mark of the first video, the illustration behind Brent turns from a RB into a kicker. Anyone know who that is? I have two guesses – either Mike Bragg…or…did Paul Hourning kick back in the day?[/quote]
Could be Hornung:he was a placekicker. Bragg was a punter: Curt Knight was the Skins PK in those days.[/quote]

Curt Knight…that’s who I meant. Thanks.

Ricko, did Septien have big shoulder pads? I’m not doubting you, but all those years I thought that was a bigger striaght-on kicker instead of a little soccer-style guy. Then again, my TV was smaller those days and I never thought too deeply about it. I just assumed.

[quote comment=”369950″][quote comment=”369949″][quote comment=”369947″]Whoa! CBS is counter-programming the Bears game on Fox with a *gasp* NFL game? I was expecting to flip over and see a gardening show or something.

And it looks like we get NFL double-headers on both networks today. Shocking.[/quote]

Bears on road, not unusual. Depends on which network has the doubleheader weekend.

If it’s CBS’ weekend we get a game opposite a Vikings road game on Fox every time.

—Ricko[/quote]
Home or road game, I can’t remember the last time I flipped over to find a game on. Not this season, for sure. (Not saying it didn’t happen, just saying not when I’ve checked.)[/quote]

SOP. Depends on which network has the DH. If, for example, it’s CBS and the local NFC team is on the road, that market gets both AFC games…unless, I suppose, local stations have the ability to opt out…which I rather doubt. Don’t think CBS would take kindly to losing, in your case, the Chicago market, no matter how minimal the viewership might be. Just too damn big a market to discard.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”369943″]The soundtrack of my youth: 1970’s NFL Pregame Show theme music.

A lot of stuff sure looked better in the ’70’s (logos, socks, sleeves–look at the Eagles and Cardinals and Lions and tell me that they look better today), including the crude (though not at the time) graphics. What passes today as information on the screen is, to me, eye pollution.

Yes, I am old. :)[/quote]
Ahhh yes. I was SO geeked out for all this stuff – going back to NBC Baseball in the 1960s. The full half hour pregame shows for 70’s football were must see TV. Pre-merger in Baltimore we had a local pre-taped pregame before kickoff on the CBS afilliate. Seemed to be around 1970 that the national pregame shows took hold.

[quote comment=”369943″]The soundtrack of my youth: 1970’s NFL Pregame Show theme music.

A lot of stuff sure looked better in the ’70’s (logos, socks, sleeves–look at the Eagles and Cardinals and Lions and tell me that they look better today), including the crude (though not at the time) graphics. What passes today as information on the screen is, to me, eye pollution.

Yes, I am old. :)[/quote]

I agree a lot of things looked better then. Two exceptions – Veterans Stadium, and barefoot punters and kickers. Didn’t look good in the 70s and I’m glad you don’t see them today.

I do miss Busch Stadium. Yeah, it was a cookie-cutter stadium, but those sunlight arches were so cool. When I think of the Cardinals in the 70s, I think of those arches, diamond patterned endzones, Jim Hart and Roger Wherli. If it wasn’t for Conrad Dobler, they might have been my 2nd-favorite team.

The graphics back then weren’t so much crude, as they were functional without being ostentatious.

intersting factoid on instant replay

while searching to see if there was any mention of (what i thought was first use by baseball)…apparently instant replay was invented for HNIC

but the technology was never used

the widely accepted (and mentioned here earlier) “first” use in IR, was indeed, the army-navy game:

“On December 7, 1963 TV and sports history was made when the first ‘instant replay’ ever seen on the air was broadcast during the Army-Navy game.

The creator was 29-year-old ‘wunderkind’ CBS television director Tony Verna, whose illustrious show-business career has spanned over 50 years of Sport and Entertainment history”

still thought a mantle HR was earlier, but maybe it wasn’t considered instant replay

With the officials wearing their “ski” pants in Cleveland today, I wouldn’t be surprised if Garrard throws one of them a pass

[quote comment=”369957″][quote comment=”369943″]The soundtrack of my youth: 1970’s NFL Pregame Show theme music.

A lot of stuff sure looked better in the ’70’s (logos, socks, sleeves–look at the Eagles and Cardinals and Lions and tell me that they look better today), including the crude (though not at the time) graphics. What passes today as information on the screen is, to me, eye pollution.

Yes, I am old. :)[/quote]

I agree a lot of things looked better then. Two exceptions – Veterans Stadium, and barefoot punters and kickers. Didn’t look good in the 70s and I’m glad you don’t see them today.

I do miss Busch Stadium. Yeah, it was a cookie-cutter stadium, but those sunlight arches were so cool. When I think of the Cardinals in the 70s, I think of those arches, diamond patterned endzones, Jim Hart and Roger Wherli. If it wasn’t for Conrad Dobler, they might have been my 2nd-favorite team.

The graphics back then weren’t so much crude, as they were functional without being ostentatious.[/quote]

“…functional without being ostentatious>”

Perfectly stated.

I suppose, too, that the new stadiums today are…better…in general, but the cookie-cutters of the day (Riverfront, Three Rivers, Veterans, et al.)were another example of function and utility versus ostentation.

Been scanning a bunch of stuff today, for the Artists section of Illustrated NFL. Came across this awesome link Check out those awesome high school shoulder stripes.

[quote comment=”369957″][quote comment=”369943″]The soundtrack of my youth: 1970’s NFL Pregame Show theme music.

A lot of stuff sure looked better in the ’70’s (logos, socks, sleeves–look at the Eagles and Cardinals and Lions and tell me that they look better today), including the crude (though not at the time) graphics. What passes today as information on the screen is, to me, eye pollution.

Yes, I am old. :)[/quote]

I agree a lot of things looked better then. Two exceptions – Veterans Stadium, and barefoot punters and kickers. Didn’t look good in the 70s and I’m glad you don’t see them today.

I do miss Busch Stadium. Yeah, it was a cookie-cutter stadium, but those sunlight arches were so cool. When I think of the Cardinals in the 70s, I think of those arches, diamond patterned endzones, Jim Hart and Roger Wherli. If it wasn’t for Conrad Dobler, they might have been my 2nd-favorite team.

The graphics back then weren’t so much crude, as they were functional without being ostentatious.[/quote]

played HS soccer in that era, and wondered what it would be like to kick a football, barefoot, the same way. Hurt like you can’t believe. THAT experiment did not last. Back to my very cool sold-in-Germany only black with yellow “Gerd Muller Goal” adidas. Some local old German car parts guys sold imported Adidas out of their back room. Once I found out, my whole team went over there, heh. “Saybrook Imports.”

[quote comment=”369967″][quote comment=”369957″][quote comment=”369943″]The soundtrack of my youth: 1970’s NFL Pregame Show theme music.

A lot of stuff sure looked better in the ’70’s (logos, socks, sleeves–look at the Eagles and Cardinals and Lions and tell me that they look better today), including the crude (though not at the time) graphics. What passes today as information on the screen is, to me, eye pollution.

Yes, I am old. :)[/quote]

I agree a lot of things looked better then. Two exceptions – Veterans Stadium, and barefoot punters and kickers. Didn’t look good in the 70s and I’m glad you don’t see them today.

I do miss Busch Stadium. Yeah, it was a cookie-cutter stadium, but those sunlight arches were so cool. When I think of the Cardinals in the 70s, I think of those arches, diamond patterned endzones, Jim Hart and Roger Wherli. If it wasn’t for Conrad Dobler, they might have been my 2nd-favorite team.

The graphics back then weren’t so much crude, as they were functional without being ostentatious.[/quote]

played HS soccer in that era, and wondered what it would be like to kick a football, barefoot, the same way. Hurt like you can’t believe. THAT experiment did not last. Back to my very cool sold-in-Germany only black with yellow “Gerd Muller Goal” adidas. Some local old German car parts guys sold imported Adidas out of their back room. Once I found out, my whole team went over there, heh. “Saybrook Imports.”[/quote]

I learned to punt barefoot. My uncle (who’d played for the Gophers) told me it was best way to learn. He was correct. When you strike the ball properly, doesn’t hurt at all. That’s how you know you’re doing it right. When you’ve got that down, you can put your shoe back on.

—-Ricko

This used to be the soundtrack of kids across the Atlantic being allowed to stay up late. What a 60 seconds…

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Faith Hill can bl….. naw, you made that way too easy Paul.

NFL Officials went NOB at one time? I knew they were Position on back but didn’t know they did NOB like the NHL officials did for years.

Vin Scully called football games?

Wang Computers…hehehe (OK, I need to grow up!)

[quote comment=”369972″][quote comment=”369953″][quote comment=”369950″][quote comment=”369949″][quote comment=”369947″]Whoa! CBS is counter-programming the Bears game on Fox with a *gasp* NFL game? I was expecting to flip over and see a gardening show or something.

And it looks like we get NFL double-headers on both networks today. Shocking.[/quote]

Bears on road, not unusual. Depends on which network has the doubleheader weekend.

If it’s CBS’ weekend we get a game opposite a Vikings road game on Fox every time.

—Ricko[/quote]
Home or road game, I can’t remember the last time I flipped over to find a game on. Not this season, for sure. (Not saying it didn’t happen, just saying not when I’ve checked.)[/quote]

SOP. Depends on which network has the DH. If, for example, it’s CBS and the local NFC team is on the road, that market gets both AFC games…unless, I suppose, local stations have the ability to opt out…which I rather doubt. Don’t think CBS would take kindly to losing, in your case, the Chicago market, no matter how minimal the viewership might be. Just too damn big a market to discard.

—Ricko[/quote]
Yeah, I guess the point of my original post (and the follow-up, for that matter) wasn’t clear. I’m just saying that I’m glad that there’s an alternative available on a day that I’m actually looking for one. Despite the decades of history between the two teams, Bears/Lions isn’t exactly a must-see game on January 3, 2010.

The game doesn’t have a whole lot of playoff implications. About the only thing in question today is whether or not Jay Cutler can break the single-season interception record. I’m pretty sure that’s safe, but 30 isn’t out of the question.[/quote]

I believe in week 17 both networks have doubleheaders due to the fact there is no Monday night game in week 17. The only reason we are not getting a CBS game in Detroit is the Lions sold out at home thanks to all the Bears fans.

On a sidenote, between all the blackout and Lions injuries this year, I don’t know half the people playing for the Lie downs.

[quote comment=”369975″]The only reason we are not getting a CBS game in Detroit is the Lions sold out at home thanks to all the Bears fans.
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I’m sorry for that.

I guess it’s like the reverse of how Blackhawks/Red Wings games at the UC used to be. Except that we weren’t going to get to see the game on TV even with the sellout.

[quote comment=”369977″][quote comment=”369975″]The only reason we are not getting a CBS game in Detroit is the Lions sold out at home thanks to all the Bears fans.
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I’m sorry for that.

I guess it’s like the reverse of how Blackhawks/Red Wings games at the UC used to be. Except that we weren’t going to get to see the game on TV even with the sellout.[/quote]

NFL used to be that way, too, of course. There were no regular-season home games on TV in the home team’s market, no matter what.

—Ricko

The Niners are gonna go to 8-8, but this game was PATHETIC. FIFTY TWO TOTAL YARDS OFFENSE IN THE FIRST HALF.

and boy, look at that Giants score. Talk about shutting her down and giving up.

HOW BOUT DEM COWBOYS. pleaseplease have the game on here at 1…

If the Cowboys beat the Eagles, then Minnesota will get the #2 seed and the Eagles will have to go back to Dallas for the first week of the playoffs. By Minnesota winning, the Packers are already guaranteed to play Arizona on the road again next week.

Has it ever happened before that the first two wild card games were repeats of the last week of the season?

And Rogers-Cromartie was just taken off the field with ‘a hole in his tights’. His knee caught a Packer’s cleat, ouch.

-Greenie

And happy Birthday to Phil. I was so surprised to learn the guy was only 29 at least according to Paul’s wish the other day.

sarcasm mode on

Has it ever happened before that the first two wild card games were repeats of the last week of the season?
I don’t know about repeats on the first two WC games. But I know the Lions and Packers played the ’93 season finale at the Silverdome, then played again six days later, again in Pontiac, in the playoffs.

Didn’t the Jets and Raiders do the same thing in the past few years? My memory’s fuzzier on that.

For you Barrel-Man lovers:

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Even though they are abominations, still fun to have. I have a red Angels TATC jersey I hope to wear to a West Coast Uni gathering…..someday.

[quote comment=\”369990\”][quote comment=\”369987\”]Has it ever happened before that the first two wild card games were repeats of the last week of the season?
I don\’t know about repeats on the first two WC games. But I know the Lions and Packers played the \’93 season finale at the Silverdome, then played again six days later, again in Pontiac, in the playoffs.

Didn\’t the Jets and Raiders do the same thing in the past few years? My memory\’s fuzzier on that.[/quote]

Philly and Tampa Bay did so a few years back. That\’s all I remember withOUT doing some research.

-Greenie
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Was great to see that clip of the Cowboys and the Lions played at the ‘Ol Cotton Bowl! Was one of my favorite venues to watch New Years Day football!

[quote comment=”369926″]Stupid dome.
-10F (no wind) in downtown Minneapolis right now.

If were outdoors would make you want to wear your Snuggie just to watch it on TV…
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—Ricko

—Ricko[/quote]

Wasn’t until years later after they moved out of the MET that I realized both teams shared the same sideline!

[quote comment=”369938″]Happy Birthday Phil!

And thanks, Paul, for sharing those videos with a wider audience. I remember every Sunday during the 70s watching the NFL Today, even if we watched the NBC game.

I remember Jayne Kennedy, but just barely. I have warm memories of Phyllis (just warm, mind you…I was a mere lad waiting for football), as well as Brent, Irv…even The Greek…and Jack Whitaker’s commentaries.

And of course, if I wasn’t watching the Steelers or Oilers, I was watching whatever game Pat Summerall and Tom Brookshier were calling. They seemed like two of my buddies.

I even had fond memories of the beer commercials. I liked Ed McMahon’s “Holiday Greetings from Budweiser” and Natural Light’s “The Beer With the Taste For Food.” Beats the crap out of today’s stock trading and ED commercials…at least most of today’s beer ads are funny.[/quote]
[quote comment=”369994″]ESPN NFL – Reports: Redskins plan to fire coach Jim Zorn on Monday

Shocked.[/quote]

As a kid back then I yearned for Steeler/Oiler games!
Great commercials too! Tuborg Gold, Natural Light, Taste Great Less Filling. Remember the Schlitz Malt Liquor commercials with the bull charging thru the bar? Or the Sperry Post Game Show…and who could forget NBC’s “Fantastic Finishes” at the 2 minute warning?
Was always great to hear Summerall & Brookshier too…they were like uncles!

ref got clocked in the second qtr of the Philly-Cowboys game. his zebra shirt got a serious rip in it. interestingly, the stripes appear to be an overlay stitched over the black shirt – it’s not a black shirt with white stripes screen printed on.

it’s the ref with the pom pom’s on the hat too. maybe the Beagle hit him because he didn’t like the hat.

[quote comment=”369980″][quote comment=”369977″][quote comment=”369975″]The only reason we are not getting a CBS game in Detroit is the Lions sold out at home thanks to all the Bears fans.
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I’m sorry for that.

I guess it’s like the reverse of how Blackhawks/Red Wings games at the UC used to be. Except that we weren’t going to get to see the game on TV even with the sellout.[/quote]

That is OK. Between the mismanagement under Millen and the shitty new number font on the jerseys I really don’t care for the Lions much. Just watching them cause their ain’t much on otherwise. Where is the movie “The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance” today? I was on New Year’s Day opposite all the football and hockey when I couldn’t watch it.[/quote]
That’s why I was apologizing. My brethren snapped up enough tickets to force Fox to show you that game and lock you out of a different one.

Y’know, I really don’t mind that font for the numbers as much as I thought I would. But I definitely don’t care for it on the LIONS wordmark in the end zone. The thing I really can’t stand is the black facemasks.

[quote comment=”369997″][quote comment=”369938″]Happy Birthday Phil!

And thanks, Paul, for sharing those videos with a wider audience. I remember every Sunday during the 70s watching the NFL Today, even if we watched the NBC game.

I remember Jayne Kennedy, but just barely. I have warm memories of Phyllis (just warm, mind you…I was a mere lad waiting for football), as well as Brent, Irv…even The Greek…and Jack Whitaker’s commentaries.

And of course, if I wasn’t watching the Steelers or Oilers, I was watching whatever game Pat Summerall and Tom Brookshier were calling. They seemed like two of my buddies.

I even had fond memories of the beer commercials. I liked Ed McMahon’s “Holiday Greetings from Budweiser” and Natural Light’s “The Beer With the Taste For Food.” Beats the crap out of today’s stock trading and ED commercials…at least most of today’s beer ads are funny.[/quote]
[quote comment=”369994″]ESPN NFL – Reports: Redskins plan to fire coach Jim Zorn on Monday

Shocked.[/quote]

As a kid back then I yearned for Steeler/Oiler games!
Great commercials too! Tuborg Gold, Natural Light, Taste Great Less Filling. Remember the Schlitz Malt Liquor commercials with the bull charging thru the bar? Or the Sperry Post Game Show…and who could forget NBC’s “Fantastic Finishes” at the 2 minute warning?
Was always great to hear Summerall & Brookshier too…they were like uncles![/quote]

You’ll love this, A.G.! link
I think pretty much the whole game is on here, in ten-minute segments. Imagine if that game was played at Heinz Field…

[quote comment=”370004″][quote comment=”369969″]played HS soccer in that era, and wondered what it would be like to kick a football, barefoot, the same way. Hurt like you can’t believe. THAT experiment did not last. Back to my very cool sold-in-Germany only black with yellow “Gerd Muller Goal” adidas. Some local old German car parts guys sold imported Adidas out of their back room. Once I found out, my whole team went over there, heh. “Saybrook Imports.”[/quote]

I learned to punt barefoot. My uncle (who’d played for the Gophers) told me it was best way to learn. He was correct. When you strike the ball properly, doesn’t hurt at all. That’s how you know you’re doing it right. When you’ve got that down, you can put your shoe back on.

—-Ricko[/quote]

That would make sense, becasue I’ve kicked in some pretty thin shoes before, and I barely felt it when I hit it right. I’d be willing to try it on a practice field, but there’s no way I would have gone in to a game barefoot. It amazes me that none of those guys got stepped on in kickoff coverage. I could see some old-school coaches assigning someone to step on their toes.[/quote]

Besides, it just made the kickers seem even more flaky.

[quote comment=”370005″][quote comment=”370004″][quote comment=”369969″]played HS soccer in that era, and wondered what it would be like to kick a football, barefoot, the same way. Hurt like you can’t believe. THAT experiment did not last. Back to my very cool sold-in-Germany only black with yellow “Gerd Muller Goal” adidas. Some local old German car parts guys sold imported Adidas out of their back room. Once I found out, my whole team went over there, heh. “Saybrook Imports.”[/quote]

I learned to punt barefoot. My uncle (who’d played for the Gophers) told me it was best way to learn. He was correct. When you strike the ball properly, doesn’t hurt at all. That’s how you know you’re doing it right. When you’ve got that down, you can put your shoe back on.

—-Ricko[/quote]

That would make sense, becasue I’ve kicked in some pretty thin shoes before, and I barely felt it when I hit it right. I’d be willing to try it on a practice field, but there’s no way I would have gone in to a game barefoot. It amazes me that none of those guys got stepped on in kickoff coverage. I could see some old-school coaches assigning someone to step on their toes.[/quote]

Besides, it just made the kickers seem even more flaky.[/quote]
All my buddies used to rail about kickers wearing two different shoes – saw it as a “look at me” thing. Soccer shoes for kicking are drastically different from football shoes, I would tell them. That said, if the soccer shoe was designed and fitted properly, I would see no advantage to kicking barefoot.

[quote comment=”370008″][quote comment=”370005″][quote comment=”370004″][quote comment=”369969″]played HS soccer in that era, and wondered what it would be like to kick a football, barefoot, the same way. Hurt like you can’t believe. THAT experiment did not last. Back to my very cool sold-in-Germany only black with yellow “Gerd Muller Goal” adidas. Some local old German car parts guys sold imported Adidas out of their back room. Once I found out, my whole team went over there, heh. “Saybrook Imports.”[/quote]

I learned to punt barefoot. My uncle (who’d played for the Gophers) told me it was best way to learn. He was correct. When you strike the ball properly, doesn’t hurt at all. That’s how you know you’re doing it right. When you’ve got that down, you can put your shoe back on.

—-Ricko[/quote]

That would make sense, becasue I’ve kicked in some pretty thin shoes before, and I barely felt it when I hit it right. I’d be willing to try it on a practice field, but there’s no way I would have gone in to a game barefoot. It amazes me that none of those guys got stepped on in kickoff coverage. I could see some old-school coaches assigning someone to step on their toes.[/quote]

Besides, it just made the kickers seem even more flaky.[/quote]
All my buddies used to rail about kickers wearing two different shoes – saw it as a “look at me” thing. Soccer shoes for kicking are drastically different from football shoes, I would tell them. That said, if the soccer shoe was designed and fitted properly, I would see no advantage to kicking barefoot.[/quote]

I imagine the barefoot thing is just what a guy is used to. I certainly wasn’t advocating kicking barefoot, just saying that when you’re a kid it’s a great way to learn…or, I suppose, get your technique back again if goes a little south on you.

The “different shoes” rule actually pre-dated Pete Gogolak and those who followed him. It was on the books to allow straight-on kickers to wear a square-toed shoe.

se: Jim O’Brien winning Super Bowl V with a square-toed Riddell on one foot and a regular adidas turf shoe on the other. He was a backup receiver, too, and changed to the Riddell as FG opportunities came approached. Check the toes of Paul Hornung’s shoes…
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—Ricko

[quote comment=”369987″]Has it ever happened before that the first two wild card games were repeats of the last week of the season?
I don’t know about repeats on the first two WC games. But I know the Lions and Packers played the ’93 season finale at the Silverdome, then played again six days later, again in Pontiac, in the playoffs.

Didn’t the Jets and Raiders do the same thing in the past few years? My memory’s fuzzier on that.[/quote]

Yes; Jets and Raiders played each other in Oakland in the final game of the ’01 season; Jets won 24-22 on a 52-yd John Hall FG to make the playoffs. Back in Oakland the next week, Raiders won 38-24.

In the last game of 1991, the Raiders and Chiefs played in L.A. already knowing they would play each other in the wild-card round; only question was where, winner would host the game. Chiefs won 27-21 despite Todd Marinovich throwing 3 TDs in his starting debut; the next week in KC, Chiefs won 10-6.

[quote comment=”369973″]Faith Hill can bl….. naw, you made that way too easy Paul.

[/quote]

Ah, yeah, get in line, Lukas!

[quote comment=”370012″]Jim O’Brien, SB V.
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—Ricko[/quote]

They still make square-toe shoes? I’d love a pair, even though I’m only kicking for…kicks. I’ve never worn anything other than regular turf shoes, and for the times I kick straight-on I just curl up my toes. Very little margin for error. Never had soccer shoes, either, for when I switch styles.

[quote comment=”370016″]The NBC music is AWESOME! I used to watch the games almost just to hear that music. They used it on college hoops games too. I still have an audio cassette tape with that theme song on it from 1976.[/quote]

Just a notch below that music was the music NBC used in the 1979 World Series, if anyone can find that. I think it’s on my “mix” tape of sports themes.

[quote comment=”370015″][quote comment=”369973″]Faith Hill can bl….. naw, you made that way too easy Paul.

[/quote]

Ah, yeah, get in line, Lukas![/quote]

Oh, man, that’s really cruel. Somewhere guys playing color-on-color Madden are trying to decide whether to hit “Save Game” and get in that line…or just keep playing.

–Ricko

Jim,

You can get square-toe kicking shoes, but they are about $150. You can get some stupid velcro strap that hooks onto the front cleat and wraps around your ankle to pull your toe up to kind of emulate a square-toe shoe, but they are kind of sucky.

[quote comment=”370022″]Joan Jett should be getting paid for letting Faith Hill and MNF completely rape that song, “Hate Myself for Loving you”.[/quote]

Only if she wrote it.

[quote comment=”370026″][quote comment=”370021″][quote comment=”370015″][quote comment=”369973″]Faith Hill can bl….. naw, you made that way too easy Paul.

[/quote]

Ah, yeah, get in line, Lukas![/quote]

Oh, man, that’s really cruel. Somewhere guys playing color-on-color Madden are trying to decide whether to hit “Save Game” and get in that line…or just keep playing.

–Ricko[/quote]

Thank God I don’t play video games. First in line. Jayne Kennedy in her day tops Faith Hill.[/quote]

By the way, Ricko, that was LOL funny! Have a good night, everyone — I will!

Finally figured it out today.
Bills mono navy looks they all came right to the game from their jobs at Jiffy Lube.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”370031″][quote comment=”370028″][quote comment=”370023″]Jim,

You can get square-toe kicking shoes, but they are about $150. You can get some stupid velcro strap that hooks onto the front cleat and wraps around your ankle to pull your toe up to kind of emulate a square-toe shoe, but they are kind of sucky.[/quote]

Meh, I’ll just go to the mall. I think Skechers or someone like that sells square-ish sneakers. Never paid more than $70 for a pair of shoes, and if I’m not on a team I’m not plunking down that much.

Thanks for the info, though.[/quote]

I remember when I was the manager of the high school football team, one of my jobs was to keep track of the kicker’s shoe and tee and the long snappers pullover. The long snapper was a receiver and he need a 50-70 number to long snap back then. I would run the shoe, tee and pull over out after each touchdown.[/quote]

And it was a squared toe shoe.

[quote comment=”370023″]Jim,

You can get square-toe kicking shoes, but they are about $150. You can get some stupid velcro strap that hooks onto the front cleat and wraps around your ankle to pull your toe up to kind of emulate a square-toe shoe, but they are kind of sucky.[/quote]

I had square-toed shoes as a kid, but they were cross-country-ski boots. I never tried using them to kick a football; I kicked soccer-style.

[quote comment=”370012″]Jim O’Brien, SB V.
link

—Ricko[/quote]
Ricko – this was during a time of almost 100% football cleats, and the square toe blended right in. The soccer guys would wear a whole different color.

Ricko, do you recall straight-on kickers that tied their shoe-lace around the front cleat?? They looked like the Brownie mascot.

Looking at the Bengals’ ridiculous outfits, it occurs to me that when they made the change to this jersey and pants set they kept the helmet exactly the same. When’s the last time a team did that?

The Bills changed only the center striping pattern and colors; the Cardinals only slightly changed the logo decal. The Falcons changed the logo decal and the Rams changed only the color of the horn decals. The Jaguars changed the helmet shells to the color-reflective metallic paint.

I can’t think of any other team in the AFL/merger era that completely revamped its uniform from the neck down without making any changes to the helmet.

Oh brother… in my inbox:

ORDER YOUR EXCLUSIVE 2009 RAVENS PLAYOFF TEE AVAILABLE ONLY FROM THE BALTIMORE RAVENS TEAM STORE

Who buys this stuff?

[quote comment=”370039″][quote comment=”370035″][quote comment=\”370019\”][quote comment=\”370016\”]The NBC music is AWESOME! I used to watch the games almost just to hear that music. They used it on college hoops games too. I still have an audio cassette tape with that theme song on it from 1976.[/quote]

Just a notch below that music was the music NBC used in the 1979 World Series, if anyone can find that. I think it\’s on my \”mix\” tape of sports themes.[/quote]

1979 World Series was definitely on ABC – Howard Cosell nicknamed Doug Decinces \”Doogie\”, and Omar Moreno\’s wife was the obnoxious go-to face in the stands. Not sure who had the play by play[/quote]

Al Michaels did the games in Pittsburgh, while Keith Jackson did the games in Baltimore. Vin Scully did the games on the radio. I have games 5 and 7 on VHS and I taped game 7 off my radio, so I have Stargell’s game-winning home run announced by two of the greatest announcers of all time. And I have Al Michaels, too…[/quote]

I won’t be requesting a copy.

A little trite seeing it on TV anymore, but photos of the obligatory Gatorade shower are really cool: link

[quote comment=”370035″][quote comment=\”370019\”][quote comment=\”370016\”]The NBC music is AWESOME! I used to watch the games almost just to hear that music. They used it on college hoops games too. I still have an audio cassette tape with that theme song on it from 1976.[/quote]

Just a notch below that music was the music NBC used in the 1979 World Series, if anyone can find that. I think it\’s on my \”mix\” tape of sports themes.[/quote]

1979 World Series was definitely on ABC – Howard Cosell nicknamed Doug Decinces \”Doogie\”, and Omar Moreno\’s wife was the obnoxious go-to face in the stands. Not sure who had the play by play[/quote]
[quote comment=”370039″][quote comment=”370035″][quote comment=\”370019\”][quote comment=\”370016\”]The NBC music is AWESOME! I used to watch the games almost just to hear that music. They used it on college hoops games too. I still have an audio cassette tape with that theme song on it from 1976.[/quote]

Just a notch below that music was the music NBC used in the 1979 World Series, if anyone can find that. I think it\’s on my \”mix\” tape of sports themes.[/quote]

1979 World Series was definitely on ABC – Howard Cosell nicknamed Doug Decinces \”Doogie\”, and Omar Moreno\’s wife was the obnoxious go-to face in the stands. Not sure who had the play by play[/quote]

Al Michaels did the games in Pittsburgh, while Keith Jackson did the games in Baltimore. Vin Scully did the games on the radio. I have games 5 and 7 on VHS and I taped game 7 off my radio, so I have Stargell’s game-winning home run announced by two of the greatest announcers of all time. And I have Al Michaels, too…[/quote]

ABC it was. NBC did the NCLS

They couldn’t keep the diamond-pattern endzones for the Poinsettia and Holiday Bowls? link I hope they bring them back for the playoffs.

Darren Sproles in a shot straight outta the 70s: link

I’d wear that hat…not sure about the apron: link Wonder how grilled tofu tastes…

“Um, excuse me, I was wondering if you’ll be doing any hiring soon? I can start as soon as possible.” link

[quote comment=”370048″]They couldn’t keep the diamond-pattern endzones for the Poinsettia and Holiday Bowls? link I hope they bring them back for the playoffs.

Darren Sproles in a shot straight outta the 70s: link

I’d wear that hat…not sure about the apron: link Wonder how grilled tofu tastes…

“Um, excuse me, I was wondering if you’ll be doing any hiring soon? I can start as soon as possible.” link

Let me look for it …. I think I have that Sproles/Chargers poster from 1971 !!!

Compare this to what you saw in today’s first video (at the 3:30 mark): link Give me the Doug Williams-era look. By the way, notice how he just flipped that ball 75 yards almost flat-footed?

Found great deal on link, complete w/laces on collar – $50 at Sports Authority a few weeks back…

Well, the old maxim was when hemlines rose, so did the economy. Does that mean we’re in for better times? link

I don’t dislike this look as much as others here, but I do admit this game would have looked better at Lambeau: link

[quote comment=”370055″]These videos lead me to find the following color photo of the Chicago Cardinals at Green Bay in 1935-36.

link

That’s a great find! The yellow sleeves really help that matchup.

No screen grab, but Alan Faneca paying tribute to his former Steelers, but backwards.
(His right helmet decal fell off.)

[quote comment=”370062″]You just gonna leave that one lying there, Phil?[/quote]

it was too easy

i missed out on the faith and hank can blow paul too

Just now get to check the uniblog after an 8 hour drive through a snowstorm….Happy Birthday LI!

Cool shots of the prep work after the Cardinals game, getting ready for tomorrow’s Fiesta Bowl:
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link

[quote comment=”370066″]Boy it looks cold in NYC. I just looked at the box score.

bengals have nine yards total offense with under 10 to go in the third.

NINE.[/quote]

it IS cold brinke

21 degrees farenheit (at least here on LI)…winds not as bad as last night (50 mph gusts)

just prepping us for the pond hockey wx i guess

[quote comment=”370017″][quote comment=”370012″]Jim O’Brien, SB V.
link

—Ricko[/quote]

They still make square-toe shoes? I’d love a pair, even though I’m only kicking for…kicks. I’ve never worn anything other than regular turf shoes, and for the times I kick straight-on I just curl up my toes. Very little margin for error. Never had soccer shoes, either, for when I switch styles.[/quote]

1-2 companies still make them. There is a Placekicking Website with camps and sideline nets and shoes with links to companies that still make squaretoe kicking shoes. There is a particular shoe, with a huge flat fronyt similar to Tom Dempsey’s shoe, only for full footed kickers, that allegedly adds 10-15 yards to your kicks. Some HS kid from Illinois allegedly made an 83 yd FG with the shoe about 8-10 years ago. He ended up kicking off for the Florida Gators, but never won the FG kicker job.

Once in awhile you can find them on Ebay. I got a pair of Riddell hightops with a square toe shoe, other matching shoe about 3 years ago.

[quote comment=”370069″][quote comment=”370066″]Boy it looks cold in NYC. I just looked at the box score.

bengals have nine yards total offense with under 10 to go in the third.

NINE.[/quote]

(at least here on LI)
just prepping us for the pond hockey wx i guess[/quote]
Ahhhhhh. So that’s what it stands for. Wondered.

If there is one thing I’m NOT looking forward to January 22-24 it’s the cuold. Can we do a DEEP SOUTH next year?

[quote comment=”370038″]Looking at the Bengals’ ridiculous outfits, it occurs to me that when they made the change to this jersey and pants set they kept the helmet exactly the same. When’s the last time a team did that?

The Bills changed only the center striping pattern and colors; the Cardinals only slightly changed the logo decal. The Falcons changed the logo decal and the Rams changed only the color of the horn decals. The Jaguars changed the helmet shells to the color-reflective metallic paint.

I can’t think of any other team in the AFL/merger era that completely revamped its uniform from the neck down without making any changes to the helmet.[/quote]

The Saints kept the same helmet through 6-7 jersey types and 4-5 pants types, then finally shrank the fleur de lis a bit and added an outline while keeping the same uni.

[quote comment=”370076″]
Don’t forget Phil, Jets ended the Titans perfect season last year too[/quote]

oh, i know it walt

the best part about tonight? no look at me dance from ocho

worst part? having to listen to jets fans chirp all week long…and chirp they will

[quote comment=”370049″][quote comment=”369965″]Been scanning a bunch of stuff today, for the Artists section of Illustrated NFL. Came across this awesome link Check out those awesome high school shoulder stripes.[/quote]

THAT IS AN AWESOME JERSEY !!!

I predict that we wil eventually see those type of stripes, at least at the NCAA level, giventhe disappearance of sleeves from football jerseys.
Similar to the 1945 Calgary Stampeders, a HS team in Corpus Christi, TX, and the featured team in the “School Ties” movie that started my throwback jersey interest ….

Always liked Jim Zorn. Too bad about his Redskin drama.

Here’s a screen grab that I bet no one can find …. Jim Zorn #11 for the Cowboys in preseason 1975! Played great in 2 preseason games for the Cowboys, but got cut as they would only keep two QBs back then. If I am not mistaken, WR Steve Largent was also at that Cowboy training camp and also got cut at the end. The rest is Seahawk History.[/quote]

Looks like he wore #17: link

Largent was cut by the Oilers in 1976, not the Cowboys in 1975.

Sorry, was traded after the preseason. All that cut talk got me all mixed up.

[quote comment=”370056″]Well, the old maxim was when hemlines rose, so did the economy. Does that mean we’re in for better times? link

I don’t dislike this look as much as others here, but I do admit this game would have looked better at Lambeau: link

Too bad you’ll get the same matchup next week. Maybe the Cards will at least wear some white pants instead of the blood clot reds.

-Greenie

[quote comment=”370025″][quote comment=”370022″]Joan Jett should be getting paid for letting Faith Hill and MNF completely rape that song, “Hate Myself for Loving you”.[/quote]

Only if she wrote it.[/quote]
She did, or at least co-wrote it. (I missed this one earlier).

What I didn’t realize is that the link. I always just thought it was just amazingly similar-sounding (a “ripoff” in the common vernacular).

[quote comment=”370088″][quote comment=”370038″]Looking at the Bengals’ ridiculous outfits, it occurs to me that when they made the change to this jersey and pants set they kept the helmet exactly the same. When’s the last time a team did that?

The Bills changed only the center striping pattern and colors; the Cardinals only slightly changed the logo decal. The Falcons changed the logo decal and the Rams changed only the color of the horn decals. The Jaguars changed the helmet shells to the color-reflective metallic paint.

I can’t think of any other team in the AFL/merger era that completely revamped its uniform from the neck down without making any changes to the helmet.[/quote]

Off the top of my head:

– Steelers kept their helmet when changing their jersey in ’97.

– Colts kept their helmet when they went to the gray pants in the ’80s.

– Lions kept their helmet when they went to the blue pants and gray socks on the road in ’97.[/quote]

More obvious than those: Eagles from ’84 to ’85; Redskins from ’78 to ’79

link

If you really want to go old-school NBC AFL.
It’s the famed NBC “Chimes” march … heard recently on HBO’s history of the American Football League … written by a former assoc. director for Carson’s Tonight Show – you can hear a sample by hitting the website above.

I have this memory of Jayne Kennedy that is so strange that I would like to know if anybody else remembers it.

One Sunday when I was real young, Dan Pastorini, quarterback of the Houston Oilers, was about to use the first flak jacket to protect his broken ribs.

NFL Today got Jayne Kennedy to wear the flak jacket and a blue floral bikini and nothing else. She looked amazing. Then some guy (the inventor, maybe) hit Jayne with a baseball bat to prove that the thing worked.

Anybody else remember this crazy event?