Blood-Clot Cardinals, 1977 Edition

Yikes. The culmination of corporations putting their mark on local sports…

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[quote comment=”366206″]Can someone explain to me why the number 17 is illegal in college hoops as stated in the ticker regarding the Butler ticket design?[/quote]
Digits 0-5 are only allowed so that the officials can use one hand to signal player numbers to the scorer’s table. To indicate a player with number 25, the ref holds up two fingers, then 5 fingers. 30 would be three fingers then closed fist, etc.

[quote comment=”366206″]Can someone explain to me why the number 17 is illegal in college hoops as stated in the ticker regarding the Butler ticket design?[/quote]

In college, only numbers with digits from 0-5 are legal so refs can use one hand for each player number.

It used to be this way for the NBA , but they dropped the rule several years ago.

[quote comment=”366208″][quote comment=”366206″]Can someone explain to me why the number 17 is illegal in college hoops as stated in the ticker regarding the Butler ticket design?[/quote]
Digits 0-5 are only allowed so that the officials can use one hand to signal player numbers to the scorer’s table. To indicate a player with number 25, the ref holds up two fingers, then 5 fingers. 30 would be three fingers then closed fist, etc.[/quote]

Huh… just when you think you know everything…

I can’t believe I never noticed this before!

Something new for me to point out and bore my girlfriend with! Woo hoo!

[quote comment=”366208″][quote comment=”366206″]Can someone explain to me why the number 17 is illegal in college hoops as stated in the ticker regarding the Butler ticket design?[/quote]
Digits 0-5 are only allowed so that the officials can use one hand to signal player numbers to the scorer’s table. To indicate a player with number 25, the ref holds up two fingers, then 5 fingers. 30 would be three fingers then closed fist, etc.[/quote]

Up until about four years ago it was the same for officials signaling for both men’s and women’s college basketball. Women’s basketball official started doing the signaling with both hands, with 10’s on the right hand.

[quote comment=”366213″]Looks like Granderson will be wearing a new number in New York.

From M-Live.com

Granderson said he has worn No. 28 since college, but will defer to Yankees manager Joe Girardi. He wore No. 27 this year as the Yankees pursued their 27th world championship, and wants to wear No. 28 after winning the World Series.

“He definitely has dibs on it,” Granderson said, “and it’s just a number on your back.”[/quote]

huh…i saw him interviewed by espn (think it was ravich, but maybe gammons) last night, and he brought up the girardi thing, but at the time he was like “i guess we’ll have to work things out”

now “it’s just a number on your back”…good for him — seems like a great team guy, and a good way to ruffle feathers is to come in and try to get the number the manager indicated he wants

any news when the yankees will sign holliday, and trade for halladay & mauer? cuz, they still have some holes

[quote comment=”366216″][quote comment=”366213″]Looks like Granderson will be wearing a new number in New York.

From M-Live.com

Granderson said he has worn No. 28 since college, but will defer to Yankees manager Joe Girardi. He wore No. 27 this year as the Yankees pursued their 27th world championship, and wants to wear No. 28 after winning the World Series.

“He definitely has dibs on it,” Granderson said, “and it’s just a number on your back.”[/quote]

huh…i saw him interviewed by espn (think it was ravich, but maybe gammons) last night, and he brought up the girardi thing, but at the time he was like “i guess we’ll have to work things out”

now “it’s just a number on your back”…good for him — seems like a great team guy, and a good way to ruffle feathers is to come in and try to get the number the manager indicated he wants

any news when the yankees will sign holliday, and trade for halladay & mauer? cuz, they still have some holes[/quote]

Phil,

I don’t know about any other players but you New Yorkers are getting a class act in Granderson. He was a great community guy. He was always going to schools and doing charity work here in Detroit. He will truely be missed here in Detroit both on and off the field.

[quote comment=”366217″]Another basketball story about the numbers. The first year I was put in charge of coordinating a few of the sports, one was the women’s basketball team. Part of the job was to check over the purchase orders for accuarcy and such. I get the order for some replacement basketball jerseys and look at the numbers the coach order. There was 19, 99, 9, 66 and two others that were legal. I call the coach on the phone and tell him four of his number were illegal and he asks why. I have to proceed to tell him that in college basketball you can have numbers 0-5. Oh the joys of working in the community college ranks.[/quote]

Did you add that 66 and 99 are aesthetic crimes against the sport?

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Mauer – not gonna happen. They might as well close Target Field before it opens if they did trade him.[/quote]

i know…i was being sarcastic

as a mets fan in a (currently) yankees town, this shit makes me both sick and pissed off

hearing yankee fans on the sports radio explaining how “jorgie’s getting old — ‘we’ should get mauer” and proposing trading guys like melky or cano (like you’d want either one) to the twins for him…AND thinking it’s a good deal

other gems like “we can really use another pitcher” (meaning doc) and offering the bj’s someone like swisher and and old shoe

meanwhile, the mets made sure alex cora didn’t get away and are ‘pursuing’ (read: we have no chance in hell of signing unless we overpay) bay

/fuck

[quote comment=”366222″][quote comment=”366219″]
Mauer – not gonna happen. They might as well close Target Field before it opens if they did trade him.[/quote]

i know…i was being sarcastic

as a mets fan in a (currently) yankees town, this shit makes me both sick and pissed off

hearing yankee fans on the sports radio explaining how “jorgie’s getting old — ‘we’ should get mauer” and proposing trading guys like melky or cano (like you’d want either one) to the twins for him…AND thinking it’s a good deal

other gems like “we can really use another pitcher” (meaning doc) and offering the bj’s someone like swisher and and old shoe

meanwhile, the mets made sure alex cora didn’t get away and are ‘pursuing’ (read: we have no chance in hell of signing unless we overpay) bay

/fuck[/quote]

I hear you Phil. The D-backs facilitated the freakin trade by giving up 2 young and promising arms for 2 guys that we never would have traded for straight up. Why. The. Face!

one hell of a pocket insert for roethlisberger last night. and the elastic windbreaker look on the bottom of the jersey is the latest trend that really annoys me. favre does this, too.

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Thanks for the shout out Paul, (Shaggy aka Matthew Robins) Going this afternoon to visit Robert Marshall in his studios. Maybe I can add to my collection…

My Wheel of Fortune
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Look for Andy Moursund’s 1948 Baltimore Bullets program cover (specifically, the ref) and tell me it’s not the greatest thing ever.

[quote comment=”366215″]Coryell is not only wearing Floods, but what looks like Bell-Bottom Floods. Gotta love it![/quote]

Also gotta love the cleats. I forgot that cleats were preferred footwear, even when head coaches wore suits.

Gee, I wonder why this is 47% off? haha Old logo!!!

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INtyerest[quote comment=”366209″][quote comment=”366206″]Can someone explain to me why the number 17 is illegal in college hoops as stated in the ticker regarding the Butler ticket design?[/quote]

only the numbers 1-5 (and 10-15, 20-25, 30-35, 40-45, 50-55) are allowed

the theory being referees have five fingers per hand…and as a way to signal fouls or indicate players, they can do so distinctly … you cant indicate a foul on “17” by holding up one finger with your left hand and seven fingers on your right

so every player number can be indicated by a referee if the individual number(s) on any jersey are no greater than five[/quote]

What I find interesting about this is that in lacrosse, many of the referees use just one hand to indicate the player committing the infraction by turning the hand to the side and indicating what to add to five for the player’s number.

For example, a foul on #17 would be a vertical one and a horizontal two (or like turning a peace sign sideways.)

[quote comment=”366234″]Gee, I wonder why this is 47% off?

haha

Old logo!!!

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Old Signature too.

Last night the basketball court in Tampa said “TAMPA BAY”.

Just sayin’

Having worked on the scorers’ table in Division I college basketball for many years, I can tell you, the officials in the men’s game do not show both numbers with their hands at the same time. They’ll flash a 2 then a 3 (or whatever number). It gets confusing on double digit numbers, like if a team has a 3 and a 33 on the court as it can be difficult to figure out which one the foul is being called on. The women’s officials usually do show both numbers at the same time. Volleyball officials do use the close fist for 10, but in college there are a lot of players who wear 17 or something like that and they do closed fist, then a 5 on one hand and a 2 on another. Don’t know why they can’t just say the numbers as well as show them.

So if we put a photo of Clot Coryell
next to a photo of Angry Homeless Man in his sleeves-whacked off hoody
next to a photo of Joe Pa with his pants rolled up
we will establish that most football coaches are pretty clueless about clothes?

Whoa, there’s a bulletin just in.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”366232″][quote comment=”366215″]Coryell is not only wearing Floods, but what looks like Bell-Bottom Floods. Gotta love it![/quote]

Also gotta love the cleats. I forgot that cleats were preferred footwear, even when head coaches wore suits.[/quote]

Nice look for the Football Cardinals in that era….unlike the “disaster” they call uniforms today…!!!

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Disgusting…

Problem with red and blue? How color blind do the refs have to be? In the old days of the original six didn’t they just have one uniform for the teams?

Other than Detroit and Montreal clashing it seems that the colors are distinct enough. Why not allow teams to wear dark so long as the colors aren’t the same?

[quote comment=”366248″]Problem with red and blue? How color blind do the refs have to be? In the old days of the original six didn’t they just have one uniform for the teams?

Other than Detroit and Montreal clashing it seems that the colors are distinct enough.

Why not allow teams to wear dark so long as the colors aren’t the same?[/quote]

ricko?

wanna tackle this one?

[quote comment=”366248″]Problem with red and blue? How color blind do the refs have to be? In the old days of the original six didn’t they just have one uniform for the teams?

Other than Detroit and Montreal clashing it seems that the colors are distinct enough.

Why not allow teams to wear dark so long as the colors aren’t the same?[/quote]

Bottom line? It comes down to science.
As has been discussed here, something like 62% of men suffer SOME degree of colorblindness.

Since there’s no way of determining exactly who can distinguish which colors from which…

…for the sake of players, officials, fans in the stands, viewers at home, those looking at photos on the web and in print publications, it is just common sense to keep one team in white for the easy, rapid and unquestioned recognition of one team from the other.

We all need to understand, there really ARE a lot of people out there who can’t tell, for example, red from green. That’s why stoplights were long ago standardized.

—Ricko

I realize it’s just the picture, but it almost looks as if Brian Wright’s jersey is sponsored by “lip.com”.

[quote comment=”366252″][quote comment=”366248″]Problem with red and blue? How color blind do the refs have to be? In the old days of the original six didn’t they just have one uniform for the teams?

Other than Detroit and Montreal clashing it seems that the colors are distinct enough.

Why not allow teams to wear dark so long as the colors aren’t the same?[/quote]

Bottom line? It comes down to science.
As has been discussed here, something like 62% of men suffer SOME degree of colorblindness.

Since there’s no way of determining exactly who can distinguish which colors from which…

…for the sake of players, officials, fans in the stands, viewers at home, those looking at photos on the web and in print publications, it is just common sense to keep one team in white for the easy, rapid and unquestioned recognition of one team from the other.

We all need to understand, there really ARE a lot of people out there who can’t tell, for example, red from green. That’s why stoplights were long ago standardized.

—Ricko[/quote]

just to kind of help you “visualize” what ricko’s talking about…

imagine you’re colorblind

not so easy to tell who’s who, is it?

having the white sweater eliminates that problem (and it’s a problem in hockey because of passing and recognition of teammates and such)

…it’s not such a problem in say, football…where offense and defense are basically separate and roles are much more defined; color vs. color is much easier on the players (even if they are color blind)…not so much in hockey where instant recognition of a teammate or opposition is essential

Uni Watch Street Gang required outerwear:
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[quote comment=”366259″][quote comment=”366256″][quote comment=”366252″][quote comment=”366248″]Problem with red and blue? How color blind do the refs have to be? In the old days of the original six didn’t they just have one uniform for the teams?

Other than Detroit and Montreal clashing it seems that the colors are distinct enough.

Why not allow teams to wear dark so long as the colors aren’t the same?[/quote]

Bottom line? It comes down to science.
As has been discussed here, something like 62% of men suffer SOME degree of colorblindness.

Since there’s no way of determining exactly who can distinguish which colors from which…

…for the sake of players, officials, fans in the stands, viewers at home, those looking at photos on the web and in print publications, it is just common sense to keep one team in white for the easy, rapid and unquestioned recognition of one team from the other.

We all need to understand, there really ARE a lot of people out there who can’t tell, for example, red from green. That’s why stoplights were long ago standardized.

—Ricko[/quote]

just to kind of help you “visualize” what ricko’s talking about…

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not so easy to tell who’s who, is it?

having the white sweater eliminates that problem (and it’s a problem in hockey because of passing and recognition of teammates and such)

…it’s not such a problem in say, football…where offense and defense are basically separate and roles are much more defined; color vs. color is much easier on the players (even if they are color blind)…not so much in hockey where instant recognition of a teammate or opposition is essential[/quote]

Color of socks hugely important in hockey, too.

Still essential in other sports, though. Which is your receiver if you’re a quarterback scrambling? Someone comes at you out of the corner of your eye on punt return. Teammate or opponent?
Fast break in basketball…which are your guys for the outlet pass? Or you’ve just swept an offensive rebound and are looking to get the ball back to the perimeter because you don’t have a shot…who’s who?

Plus, you DO have to consider those in the stands and watching on TV, too.

Imagine watching a football game, say, Michigan State and Indiana, both in dark helmets and jerseys with white pants…and you can’t tell red and green apart.

That would be a bitch.

—Ricko[/quote]

Best argument ive EVER heard for this. thank you!

… and it’s GO TIME!

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Still essential in other sports, though. Which is your receiver if you’re a quarterback scrambling? Someone comes at you out of the corner of your eye on punt return. Teammate or opponent?
Fast break in basketball…which are your guys for the outlet pass? Or you’ve just swept an offensive rebound and are looking to get the ball back to the perimeter because you don’t have a shot…who’s who?

—Ricko[/quote]

I agree with everything you’re saying

Let me ask two more questions:

If instant recognition is so important in the NFL, why does the league ban a team from having two different helmets? Why not require a white helmet when the white jersey is worn and a dark helmet when the dark jersey is worn?

(basically, exactly what the NHL does)

And why permit white jerseys that have giant coloured shoulders? Buffalo and Arizona spring to mind as white jerseys that could be mistaken for coloured if you can only see the top of the player.

[quote comment=”366264″][quote comment=”366259″]

Still essential in other sports, though. Which is your receiver if you’re a quarterback scrambling? Someone comes at you out of the corner of your eye on punt return. Teammate or opponent?
Fast break in basketball…which are your guys for the outlet pass? Or you’ve just swept an offensive rebound and are looking to get the ball back to the perimeter because you don’t have a shot…who’s who?

—Ricko[/quote]

I agree with everything you’re saying

Let me ask two more questions:

If instant recognition is so important in the NFL, why does the league ban a team from having two different helmets? Why not require a white helmet when the white jersey is worn and a dark helmet when the dark jersey is worn?

(basically, exactly what the NHL does)

And why permit white jerseys that have giant coloured shoulders? Buffalo and Arizona spring to mind as white jerseys that could be mistaken for coloured if you can only see the top of the player.[/quote]

Because it’s nowhere near as much of an issue as Ricko can make it sound like. Most people aren’t colorblind to that extreme. Remember, color vs color was first. The white jerseys really only came into play when the TV era started.

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i’m color defecient… it’s a BITCH!!![/quote]

we’ve seen your work ;)

[quote comment=”366242″]Having worked on the scorers’ table in Division I college basketball for many years, I can tell you, the officials in the men’s game do not show both numbers with their hands at the same time. They’ll flash a 2 then a 3 (or whatever number). It gets confusing on double digit numbers, like if a team has a 3 and a 33 on the court as it can be difficult to figure out which one the foul is being called on. The women’s officials usually do show both numbers at the same time. Volleyball officials do use the close fist for 10, but in college there are a lot of players who wear 17 or something like that and they do closed fist, then a 5 on one hand and a 2 on another. Don’t know why they can’t just say the numbers as well as show them.[/quote]

As some one who does stats for basketball the double digit thing in men’s basketball is very annoying. Also the fact that they don’t walk over by the table anymore to give the number.

As for volleyball, it is all about protocol.

[quote comment=”366268″][quote comment=”366265″]
i’m color defecient… it’s a BITCH!!![/quote]

we’ve seen your work ;)[/quote]

HA! kinda sad, huh :-(

[quote comment=”366209″][quote comment=”366206″]Can someone explain to me why the number 17 is illegal in college hoops as stated in the ticker regarding the Butler ticket design?[/quote]

only the numbers 1-5 (and 10-15, 20-25, 30-35, 40-45, 50-55) are allowed

the theory being referees have five fingers per hand…and as a way to signal fouls or indicate players, they can do so distinctly … you cant indicate a foul on “17” by holding up one finger with your left hand and seven fingers on your right

so every player number can be indicated by a referee if the individual number(s) on any jersey are no greater than five[/quote]

Thanks for the update just learned something new today!

[quote comment=”366222″][quote comment=”366219″]
Mauer – not gonna happen. They might as well close Target Field before it opens if they did trade him.[/quote]

i know…i was being sarcastic

as a mets fan in a (currently) yankees town, this shit makes me both sick and pissed off

hearing yankee fans on the sports radio explaining how “jorgie’s getting old — ‘we’ should get mauer” and proposing trading guys like melky or cano (like you’d want either one) to the twins for him…AND thinking it’s a good deal

other gems like “we can really use another pitcher” (meaning doc) and offering the bj’s someone like swisher and and old shoe

meanwhile, the mets made sure alex cora didn’t get away and are ‘pursuing’ (read: we have no chance in hell of signing unless we overpay) bay

/fuck[/quote]

Currently?? It will ALWAYS be a Yankee town, everybody know’s that.

[quote comment=”366271″][quote comment=”366270″][quote comment=”366242″]Having worked on the scorers’ table in Division I college basketball for many years, I can tell you, the officials in the men’s game do not show both numbers with their hands at the same time. They’ll flash a 2 then a 3 (or whatever number). It gets confusing on double digit numbers, like if a team has a 3 and a 33 on the court as it can be difficult to figure out which one the foul is being called on. The women’s officials usually do show both numbers at the same time. Volleyball officials do use the close fist for 10, but in college there are a lot of players who wear 17 or something like that and they do closed fist, then a 5 on one hand and a 2 on another. Don’t know why they can’t just say the numbers as well as show them.[/quote]

As some one who does stats for basketball the double digit thing in men’s basketball is very annoying. Also the fact that they don’t walk over by the table anymore to give the number.

As for volleyball, it is all about protocol.[/quote]

They should just give the refs a bluetooth mic or something. It’s not like it’d be that hard for the ref to just say “defensive foul on number 27” after they whistle the play dead[/quote]

Seriously! It’s 2001 calling–they want their technology back….

[quote comment=”366276″][quote comment=”366222″][quote comment=”366219″]
Mauer – not gonna happen. They might as well close Target Field before it opens if they did trade him.[/quote]

i know…i was being sarcastic

as a mets fan in a (currently) yankees town, this shit makes me both sick and pissed off

hearing yankee fans on the sports radio explaining how “jorgie’s getting old — ‘we’ should get mauer” and proposing trading guys like melky or cano (like you’d want either one) to the twins for him…AND thinking it’s a good deal

other gems like “we can really use another pitcher” (meaning doc) and offering the bj’s someone like swisher and and old shoe

meanwhile, the mets made sure alex cora didn’t get away and are ‘pursuing’ (read: we have no chance in hell of signing unless we overpay) bay

/fuck[/quote]

Currently?? It will ALWAYS be a Yankee town, everybody know’s that.[/quote]
Can we end this one now before it takes over the boards again?

Here are 3 color pics of 1960’s Cardinals. The Cardinals look was a good look. For a plain helmet I have always liked it.

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And those pants stripes to me are Ohio State pants stripes.

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[quote comment=”366282″]Here are 3 color pics of 1960’s Cardinals. The Cardinals look was a good look. For a plain helmet I have always liked it.

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And those pants stripes to me are Ohio State pants stripes.

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It’s not the colors. Narrow-Fill-Wide-Fill-Narrow is called Northwestern striping, since they were the first to use it on their athletic uniforms. It’s probably more famous for the Steelers sleeves at this point, though.

[quote comment=”366249″][quote comment=”366245″][quote comment=”366243″][quote comment=”366239″]funny that the cards are the focus of the main post today. just found this this morning. early 60’s game worn cardinals jersey:

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Hmmm…

By ’62 Cards had sleeves TVs, so jersey is ’61 or older
Don’t ever recall a silver edge on the numbers.

So, if it is indeed real—and a “game” real—it may be from the ’50s, not the ’60s, and it may be an Ollie Matson jersey.

Could be practice jersey….but with silver edge on numbers?

—Ricko[/quote]

Looks like white thread that survived aging better than the number material. Check the enlarged version, that outside edge is just stitching, I don’t think it’s intended as an outline.[/quote]

Good point. Something about it just doesn’t ring true, though. Maybe it’s that it would be better described as “Late 50s, early 60’s” since oldest it can be is ’61.

Or is it that the numbers look a little small? I dunno. Something just off for a ’60s jersey. Late ’50s, yeah. Late ’50s is when typical football numbers changed from 8″ front/10″ back to 10″ front/12″ back.

As I said, is much more a ’50s style jersey.

—Ricko[/quote]

Here’s a link to a photo on Ebay of a 1961 Sonny Randle home jersey…looks like smaller numbers to me:

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[quote comment=”366275″][quote comment=”366266″][quote comment=”366264″][quote comment=”366259″]

Still essential in other sports, though. Which is your receiver if you’re a quarterback scrambling? Someone comes at you out of the corner of your eye on punt return. Teammate or opponent?
Fast break in basketball…which are your guys for the outlet pass? Or you’ve just swept an offensive rebound and are looking to get the ball back to the perimeter because you don’t have a shot…who’s who?

—Ricko[/quote]

I agree with everything you’re saying

Let me ask two more questions:

If instant recognition is so important in the NFL, why does the league ban a team from having two different helmets? Why not require a white helmet when the white jersey is worn and a dark helmet when the dark jersey is worn?

(basically, exactly what the NHL does)

And why permit white jerseys that have giant coloured shoulders? Buffalo and Arizona spring to mind as white jerseys that could be mistaken for coloured if you can only see the top of the player.[/quote]

Because it’s nowhere near as much of an issue as Ricko can make it sound like. Most people aren’t colorblind to that extreme.

Remember, color vs color was first. The white jerseys really only came into play when the TV era started.[/quote]

I didn’t say extreme colorblindess was widespread. I made a point to say that 62% had SOME DEGREE of colorblindness. All I said was that leagues choose to err on the side of the Least Possible Issues.

And, yes, white jerseys came with TV. But, guess what, leagues discovered that, sumbitch, it really does make things easier for everyone involved on every level.

If you thinks sports has been sitting around waiting for the widespread penetration of color TV so they can back to color-on-color because it was so much BETTER, you really do have a screw loose somewhere.

TV didn’t force them to change something that worked. It helped them discover something that worked even better.

Plus, I’ll wager knowledge of the extent of some color blindness is men is considerbably better now than in 1945.

Maybe things WILL change, eventually. But to not see that one-team-in-white makes recognition absolutely postively easier is just being stubborn. And denying bald-faced reality.

I know you want your own way on this, Jeff, but there are just too many reasons you aren’t likely to get it. You gonna accept that soon, or just keep telling us how color-on-color works okay in Madden?

(And the NFL helmet thing is about branding, not on-field play; helmets used on all kinds of merchandise, and want just one per team)

I’m gonna say this once. Most times your contentions serve to point out how little actual on-field experience you have in sports, because any such points are always—repeat, always—lost on you. You just do not seem to be able to identify with them. That means that, to a great extent, you’re talking through your hat on much of this.

—Ricko[/quote]

Ricko: It’s THE Jeff. Pardon yo’self. ;)

THE Jeff: How old are you? What sports you ever played ‘sides those video games?

[quote comment=”366286″][quote comment=”366249″][quote comment=”366245″][quote comment=”366243″][quote comment=”366239″]funny that the cards are the focus of the main post today. just found this this morning. early 60’s game worn cardinals jersey:

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Hmmm…

By ’62 Cards had sleeves TVs, so jersey is ’61 or older
Don’t ever recall a silver edge on the numbers.

So, if it is indeed real—and a “game” real—it may be from the ’50s, not the ’60s, and it may be an Ollie Matson jersey.

Could be practice jersey….but with silver edge on numbers?

—Ricko[/quote]

Looks like white thread that survived aging better than the number material. Check the enlarged version, that outside edge is just stitching, I don’t think it’s intended as an outline.[/quote]

Good point. Something about it just doesn’t ring true, though. Maybe it’s that it would be better described as “Late 50s, early 60’s” since oldest it can be is ’61.

Or is it that the numbers look a little small? I dunno. Something just off for a ’60s jersey. Late ’50s, yeah. Late ’50s is when typical football numbers changed from 8″ front/10″ back to 10″ front/12″ back.

As I said, is much more a ’50s style jersey.

—Ricko[/quote]

Here’s a link to a photo on Ebay of a 1961 Sonny Randle home jersey…looks like smaller numbers to me:

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Seriously, you can’t see that Randle’s numbers are bigger than the 33 on that jersey? He’s leaning forward. Skews the perspective because numbers are wide at top and narrow as they approach his waist.

Imagine the 33 jersey full over shoulder pads. That number would look VERY small.

Been doing this kind of thing a long, long time. Not saying jersey isn’t real. But if IS real, is more likely from ’50s, that’s all.

—Ricko

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I always thought that the Buckeyes would look better in only scarlet and grey (no black)[/quote]

well then, problem solved ;)

[quote comment=”366291″]Color on color in baseball is less of a problem in part becuase of the clear difference between the team in the field and the team hitting. However, there are collisions, such as at home plate, where clear difference of color is good. I guess that’s why the home team always wears white pants at least and the road team grey pants (even if they both wear dark jerseys at times).[/quote]

Nobody “covers” anybody in baseball, either. Defense is far from being based on going-wherever-they-go. On defense, you go where the ball goes, not the opposing player. You get the ball to where they headed, not where they are. And sometimes, on defense, you have the ball and they come right TO you.

Baseball’s a game where, unfortunately, if gray vs. white can work, then so can royal vs. navy (and such).

Which is an interesting point. How many other sports are there where, on defense, you can have position of the object (ball, whatever) yet are NEVER considered to be on offense?

—Ricko

[quote comment=”366285″][quote comment=”366282″]Here are 3 color pics of 1960’s Cardinals. The Cardinals look was a good look. For a plain helmet I have always liked it.

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And those pants stripes to me are Ohio State pants stripes.

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Well, not quite, but close.

Without checking, I’m not sure who went to that sorta-NW style pant stripe first, Cardinals of TSOU. Was very close. Cards in
’62 or ’63. Buckeyes maybe a bit later.

—Ricko[/quote]

Ohio State went to those pants stripes in 1966

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Speaking of Northwestern this is one of my favorite sites. Sure Paul would love it too

Hail to the Purple.
History of Wildcat uniform.

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I was looking through SI Vault and their was a snip-it in 1984 about the NY Rangers having “NHL Championship” on all their ticket stubs for preseason and regular games. The Rangers Senior VP said it may go back to the 1927-8 season.
Do their tickets still say it and/or when did they stop doing this?
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actually, the heat will be on tonight because the landlords want to put on a good face for the people walking through, but link

Love the Cardinals screenshot. Brings back memories of the great NFC East battles in the ’70s.

[quote comment=”366302″]actually, the heat will be on tonight because the landlords want to put on a good face for the people walking through, but link[/quote]

why does your landy care about the heat all the way up in chicago?!?! scoreboard watch??? LOL. jk

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[quote comment=”366307″][quote comment=”366305″][quote comment=”366301″]tim duncan wearing skeleton-inspired kicks this year:

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I’m no sneakerhead, but I think those look badass[/quote]

somewhere, matthew powers needs a new keyboard[/quote]

shush..

[quote comment=”366294″][quote comment=”366291″]Color on color in baseball is less of a problem in part becuase of the clear difference between the team in the field and the team hitting. However, there are collisions, such as at home plate, where clear difference of color is good. I guess that’s why the home team always wears white pants at least and the road team grey pants (even if they both wear dark jerseys at times).[/quote]

Nobody “covers” anybody in baseball, either. Defense is far from being based on going-wherever-they-go. On defense, you go where the ball goes, not the opposing player. You get the ball to where they headed, not where they are. And sometimes, on defense, you have the ball and they come right TO you.

Baseball’s a game where, unfortunately, if gray vs. white can work, then so can royal vs. navy (and such).

Which is an interesting point. How many other sports are there where, on defense, you can have position of the object (ball, whatever) yet are NEVER considered to be on offense?

—Ricko[/quote]
Cricket?

[quote comment=”366310″][quote comment=”366294″][quote comment=”366291″]Color on color in baseball is less of a problem in part becuase of the clear difference between the team in the field and the team hitting. However, there are collisions, such as at home plate, where clear difference of color is good. I guess that’s why the home team always wears white pants at least and the road team grey pants (even if they both wear dark jerseys at times).[/quote]

Nobody “covers” anybody in baseball, either. Defense is far from being based on going-wherever-they-go. On defense, you go where the ball goes, not the opposing player. You get the ball to where they headed, not where they are. And sometimes, on defense, you have the ball and they come right TO you.

Baseball’s a game where, unfortunately, if gray vs. white can work, then so can royal vs. navy (and such).

Which is an interesting point. How many other sports are there where, on defense, you can have position of the object (ball, whatever) yet are NEVER considered to be on offense?

—Ricko[/quote]
Cricket?[/quote]

Yeah, thought of that. And suppose is logical since baseball is likely derivative of cricket and rounders.

Maybe volleyball, because you have to be serving to score…but that’s sort of splitting hairs.

—Ricko

That web site devoted to white footwear – shouldn’t it go on hiatus after Labor Day?

[quote comment=”366309″]Hey guys, never posted on here and I’m kind of off-topic, I suppose.

I’m doing a little DIY for my girlfriend, who goes to Virginia Tech. I’m a Tennessee student, so since we are playing in the Chick-Fil-A Bowl against each other I’m making her a shirt like a vintage 70’s Tennessee t-shirt jersey I have. The one I have has twill numbers sewn on, with two stripes at the bottom of the sleeves like the old jerseys.

I’ve got the twill numbering down, the only problem comes with the striping. It will look like Tech’s throwbacks, so I need the striping on the shoulders. I’m not sure if I should try to get this screen printed or if I should try something else. I can provide some pics if you guys need them. Thanks.[/quote]

If you have a good steady hand, could try painting them on. Micheal’s may have fabric paint, and I know a good art supplies store would have some…cuz that’s where I get mine.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”366255″]Orange County (California) Register and their top 20 high school football uniforms…

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Wow, they sure like their monochromes, eh?

There were some good ones, though:

Sonora’s Penn State look: link

Canyon shows that not ALL monochromes are bad: link

Of course I like Valencia: link

At least Santa Margarita’s colors are better than the Philly Eagles. I’ll take Mater Dei’s stripes, though: link

I love LA! Los Alamitos, that is: link

I’m guessing Paul will join me in applauding the winner, Edison: link

There are a couple of other good ones, in my opinion. After that, yikes.

Pads in Basketball? link. I have no idea how common this is, but Roy fits the class of guy who takes a large number of hits. How long until basketball players start dressing like link?

[quote comment=”366318″][quote comment=”366255″]Orange County (California) Register and their top 20 high school football uniforms…

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Wow, they sure like their monochromes, eh?

There were some good ones, though:

Sonora’s Penn State look: link

Canyon shows that not ALL monochromes are bad: link

Of course I like Valencia: link

At least Santa Margarita’s colors are better than the Philly Eagles. I’ll take Mater Dei’s stripes, though: link

I love LA! Los Alamitos, that is: link

I’m guessing Paul will join me in applauding the winner, Edison: link

There are a couple of other good ones, in my opinion. After that, yikes.[/quote]

Okay, I’m not seeing anything. Oh well, at least the slideshow works.

Brian Kelly’s move to Notre Dame, and not coaching Cincinnati’s bowl game, reminded me of something I’ve always contended…

If the head coach who recruited a college athlete leaves a school to take another job (NOT is fired), that athlete should be allowed to transfer without losing any eligibility. He/She should be able to play anyplace that wants him/her. Next year. Period.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”366321″][quote comment=”366315″]The Jeff said:
“Now someone else take my side in the color vs color discussion, please?”

Sorry, buddy, think you’re on your own there.

As cool as UCLA/USC looks when they go color vs. color, they’re the exception, not the rule. There’s room for some color vs. color, but color vs. white is here to stay, for good reason.

Although, you could make a case for color vs. neon. Oh yeah…[/quote]

But… link

Again, the exception. And a very cool one.

Bright yellow, powder blue, neon, maybe a few others work against dark colors. The key to going color vs. color is to have light vs. dark.

Since the prevailing sentiment is dark = tough, I don’t think you’re going to get every team to have a brightly colored alt. It would be nice, but I don’t think it’s gonna happen.

[quote comment=”366324″]Brian Kelly’s move to Notre Dame, and not coaching Cincinnati’s bowl game, reminded me of something I’ve always contended…

If the head coach who recruited a college athlete leaves a school to take another job (NOT is fired), that athlete should be allowed to transfer without losing any eligibility. He/She should be able to play anyplace that wants him/her. Next year. Period.

—Ricko[/quote]

I like that, and I’d also like to see a moratorium on hiring away a coach until the bowls are done. Just seems a bit weasely…”Hey, we worked hard and made it to a bowl game! Great! Okay, you kids enjoy that while I go off and count my money.”

[quote comment=”366241″]New baseball team coming to the Prospect League this summer.

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According to Les Nessman, it’s pronounced Terry Hahootay.

[quote comment=”366329″][quote comment=”366327″][quote comment=”366325″]Check out picture #6 in this gallery. Looks like the Dodgers will have a patch honoring the 55th anniversary of the 1955 Brooklyn Dodgers.

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Ah, yes, the traditional 55th Anniversary Celebration.

Anyone else getting real tired of these manufactured tributes?

I understand Arena Football League teams will wear “2nd Year Out of Business” patches this season, too. Might be hard to find, though, what with them playing so few games.

—Ricko[/quote]

If you made up a patch for that, I’ll bet someone would buy it.[/quote]

heh…someone already did something close

[quote comment=”366312″][quote comment=”366310″][quote comment=”366294″][quote comment=”366291″]Color on color in baseball is less of a problem in part becuase of the clear difference between the team in the field and the team hitting. However, there are collisions, such as at home plate, where clear difference of color is good. I guess that’s why the home team always wears white pants at least and the road team grey pants (even if they both wear dark jerseys at times).[/quote]

Nobody “covers” anybody in baseball, either. Defense is far from being based on going-wherever-they-go. On defense, you go where the ball goes, not the opposing player. You get the ball to where they headed, not where they are. And sometimes, on defense, you have the ball and they come right TO you.

Baseball’s a game where, unfortunately, if gray vs. white can work, then so can royal vs. navy (and such).

Which is an interesting point. How many other sports are there where, on defense, you can have position of the object (ball, whatever) yet are NEVER considered to be on offense?

—Ricko[/quote]
Cricket?[/quote]

Yeah, thought of that. And suppose is logical since baseball is likely derivative of cricket and rounders.

Maybe volleyball, because you have to be serving to score…but that’s sort of splitting hairs.

—Ricko[/quote]

Not since they use rally scoring at all levels.

[quote comment=”366335″][quote comment=”366327″][quote comment=”366325″]Check out picture #6 in this gallery. Looks like the Dodgers will have a patch honoring the 55th anniversary of the 1955 Brooklyn Dodgers.

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Ah, yes, the traditional 55th Anniversary Celebration.

Anyone else getting real tired of these manufactured tributes?

I understand Arena Football League teams will wear “2nd Year Out of Business” patches this season, too. Might be hard to find, though, what with them playing so few games.

—Ricko[/quote]

Not true my friend. Arena Football 1 is coming to you in march with a mix of teams from the old Arena Football Leauge and AF2. They have bought the assests of the Arena Football League from the bankruptcy court.

website

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Wasn’t knocking Arean Football. I miss it. Was a fun show. Was knocking patches that honor the backup catcher’s pet weasel who got sucked into a wood chipper.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”366336″]Wasn’t knocking Arean Football. [/quote]

you better not…someone might get mad

[quote comment=”366338″][quote comment=”366336″]Wasn’t knocking Arean Football. [/quote]

you better not…link[/quote]

That is seriously hilarious!

Another push for a 12th Big Ten team:
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Got a better idea – how ’bout Penn State moving to the Big East where they belong?

[quote comment=”366342″]how ’bout Penn State moving to the Big East where they belong?[/quote]

how bout ND?

i believe their coach is already familiar with the conference

[quote comment=”366344″][quote comment=”366342″]how ’bout Penn State moving to the Big East where they belong?[/quote]

how bout ND?

i believe their coach is already familiar with the conference[/quote]

Put them in the Big Eleven and get JoePa back to playing Pitt, WVU and Syracuse.

[quote comment=”366342″]Another push for a 12th Big Ten team:
link

Got a better idea – how ’bout Penn State moving to the Big East where they belong?[/quote]

I hope the Big Ten never adds a 12th team and has one of those for money only so called conference championship games.

And even though a very vocal segment of PSU fans hate the Big Ten. I love the rivarly of OSU and PSU playing every single year.

[quote comment=”366348″][quote comment=”366342″]Another push for a 12th Big Ten team:
link

Got a better idea – how ’bout Penn State moving to the Big East where they belong?[/quote]

I hope the Big Ten never adds a 12th team and has one of those for money only so called conference championship games.

And even though a very vocal segment of PSU fans hate the Big Ten. I love the rivarly of OSU and PSU playing every single year.[/quote]

That is a good rivalry. It’s still a consolation, though.

What I’d like to see, if PSU were to return to its rightful place, is to have OSU rotate season openers with PSU, Pitt and WVU…maybe Kentucky, too. That would be more watchable than the early season cupcake games.

I said it last week and I will say it again. I love William and Mary’s uniforms.

[quote comment=”366295″][quote comment=”366294″] How many other sports are there where, on defense, you can have position of the object (ball, whatever) yet are NEVER considered to be on offense?

—Ricko[/quote]

it’s also the only sport where the defense can never score[/quote]
It’s also the only sport where the person, rather than the object, scores the points. And it’s the only sport where the officials have no whistle.

[quote comment=”366354″][quote comment=”366295″][quote comment=”366294″] How many other sports are there where, on defense, you can have position of the object (ball, whatever) yet are NEVER considered to be on offense?

—Ricko[/quote]

it’s also the only sport where the defense can never score[/quote]
It’s also the only sport where the person, rather than the object, scores the points. And it’s the only sport where the officials have no whistle.[/quote]

No whistles in curling, eh?

[quote comment=”366357″][quote comment=”366321″][quote comment=”366315″]The Jeff said:
“Now someone else take my side in the color vs color discussion, please?”

Sorry, buddy, think you’re on your own there.

As cool as UCLA/USC looks when they go color vs. color, they’re the exception, not the rule. There’s room for some color vs. color, but color vs. white is here to stay, for good reason.

Although, you could make a case for color vs. neon. Oh yeah…[/quote]

But… link
Or sometimes you get link. Which is only a Terry Bradshaw hair length better than Wisconsin red vs Illinois orange (happened once in college basketball, can’t find a pic though). Now, I know the Lakers only wear white on Sundays at home, but it really should have been worn as a clash kit to contrast with orange.[/quote]

That shows that light vs. light is just as bad as dark vs. dark. Gotta mix it up for color vs. color to work.

[quote comment=”366356″][quote comment=”366354″][quote comment=”366295″][quote comment=”366294″] How many other sports are there where, on defense, you can have position of the object (ball, whatever) yet are NEVER considered to be on offense?

—Ricko[/quote]

it’s also the only sport where the defense can never score[/quote]
It’s also the only sport where the person, rather than the object, scores the points. And it’s the only sport where the officials have no whistle.[/quote]

No whistles in curling, eh?[/quote]
Curling’s a sport? I kid, I kid.

[quote comment=”366361″][quote comment=”366360″][quote comment=”366356″][quote comment=”366354″][quote comment=”366295″][quote comment=”366294″] How many other sports are there where, on defense, you can have position of the object (ball, whatever) yet are NEVER considered to be on offense?

—Ricko[/quote]

it’s also the only sport where the defense can never score[/quote]
It’s also the only sport where the person, rather than the object, scores the points. And it’s the only sport where the officials have no whistle.[/quote]

No whistles in curling, eh?[/quote]
Curling’s a sport? I kid, I kid.[/quote]

Golf has no whistles.[/quote]
I guess I was limiting my thinking to “mainstream team sports”.

[quote comment=”366351″][quote comment=”366348″][quote comment=”366342″]Another push for a 12th Big Ten team:
link

Got a better idea – how ’bout Penn State moving to the Big East where they belong?[/quote]

I hope the Big Ten never adds a 12th team and has one of those for money only so called conference championship games.

And even though a very vocal segment of PSU fans hate the Big Ten. I love the rivarly of OSU and PSU playing every single year.[/quote]

See I am the opposite. The Big Ten will never be an “elite” conference until they get a championship game. The MAC and Conference USA both have a championship game. The Big Ten is idle for three weeks while the MAC, C-USA, ACC and the SEC gear up for championship games.[/quote]

Just play games later is all. 5 conference have those games while 6 do not.

The main thing I hate about them is that the conference season schedule is meaningless. Last year Buffalo was 5-3 and beat Ball State who was 8-0 in a single game upset and is called conference champs? Look at how bad the match ups have been in the Big 12 Last year OU, Texas, Texas Tech all had 1 loss and Missouri with a mediocre record gets to play for the so called conference championship.

Those sceanrios happen and are so stupid.

[quote comment=”366324″]Brian Kelly’s move to Notre Dame, and not coaching Cincinnati’s bowl game, reminded me of something I’ve always contended…

If the head coach who recruited a college athlete leaves a school to take another job (NOT is fired), that athlete should be allowed to transfer without losing any eligibility. He/She should be able to play anyplace that wants him/her. Next year. Period.

—Ricko[/quote]

I disagree. Coaches are professionals. Their job is to make money, just like bankers, lawyers, ditch-diggers, and everybody else making a living. I know that they make more than the average person, but whether we like it or not it’s still a job, and they’re still trying to make money.

Players, on the other hand, are amateur student-athletes, and the large majority of them are in school to get an education, and that should be what should be pushed and encouraged. Changing schools makes this that much harder with the way that credits transfer and everything else. IMHO, the rule is fine the way it is

[quote comment=”366364″][quote comment=”366351″][quote comment=”366348″][quote comment=”366342″]Another push for a 12th Big Ten team:
link

Got a better idea – how ’bout Penn State moving to the Big East where they belong?[/quote]

I hope the Big Ten never adds a 12th team and has one of those for money only so called conference championship games.

And even though a very vocal segment of PSU fans hate the Big Ten. I love the rivarly of OSU and PSU playing every single year.[/quote]

See I am the opposite. The Big Ten will never be an “elite” conference until they get a championship game. The MAC and Conference USA both have a championship game. The Big Ten is idle for three weeks while the MAC, C-USA, ACC and the SEC gear up for championship games.[/quote]

Just play games later is all. 5 conference have those games while 6 do not.

The main thing I hate about them is that the conference season schedule is meaningless. Last year Buffalo was 5-3 and beat Ball State who was 8-0 in a single game upset and is called conference champs? Look at how bad the match ups have been in the Big 12 Last year OU, Texas, Texas Tech all had 1 loss and Missouri with a mediocre record gets to play for the so called conference championship.

Those sceanrios happen and are so stupid.[/quote]

Skip the conference championships and incorporate the bowls into a playoff system.
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Yes, that’s right…playoffs.

[quote comment=”366366″][quote comment=”366324″]Brian Kelly’s move to Notre Dame, and not coaching Cincinnati’s bowl game, reminded me of something I’ve always contended…

If the head coach who recruited a college athlete leaves a school to take another job (NOT is fired), that athlete should be allowed to transfer without losing any eligibility. He/She should be able to play anyplace that wants him/her. Next year. Period.

—Ricko[/quote]

I disagree. Coaches are professionals. Their job is to make money, just like bankers, lawyers, ditch-diggers, and everybody else making a living. I know that they make more than the average person, but whether we like it or not it’s still a job, and they’re still trying to make money.

Players, on the other hand, are amateur student-athletes, and the large majority of them are in school to get an education, and that should be what should be pushed and encouraged. Changing schools makes this that much harder with the way that credits transfer and everything else. IMHO, the rule is fine the way it is[/quote]

Coaches should also honor their contracts, which should include waiting for the season to end.

Look at it this way – if I were running Notre Dame, I would want to see how Coach Kelly responds in a huge BCS bowl before I even think about signing him. What if he gets a brain cramp in the big game? Might change my views a bit if he lays an egg. Now we’ll never know.

I know a lot of coaches have an opt-out clause, but it just seems more professional to finish out the season before you move on to greener bank accounts.

[quote comment=\”366371\”][quote comment=\”366366\”][quote comment=\”366324\”]Brian Kelly\’s move to Notre Dame, and not coaching Cincinnati\’s bowl game, reminded me of something I\’ve always contended…

If the head coach who recruited a college athlete leaves a school to take another job (NOT is fired), that athlete should be allowed to transfer without losing any eligibility. He/She should be able to play anyplace that wants him/her. Next year. Period.

—Ricko[/quote]

I disagree. Coaches are professionals. Their job is to make money, just like bankers, lawyers, ditch-diggers, and everybody else making a living. I know that they make more than the average person, but whether we like it or not it\’s still a job, and they\’re still trying to make money.

Players, on the other hand, are amateur student-athletes, and the large majority of them are in school to get an education, and that should be what should be pushed and encouraged. Changing schools makes this that much harder with the way that credits transfer and everything else. IMHO, the rule is fine the way it is[/quote]

I call bullshit on Kelly and Notre Dame. Only by reading this quoted post did I learn of Kelly\’s hiring.

It angers me to know that he jumped ship on the eve of his program\’s most important game, possibkly EVER.

Perhaps my frustration in years of Irish mediocrity is rearing itself right nowbut what differentiates this mid-major whiz kid from Parcells pal and offensive genius, Charlie Weis or even Bob Davie?
I thought that Ty Willingham go the shit end of the stick getting ousted in favor of Weis, however he was mired in the same admissions, past glory problem in SOuth Bend.

I will ALWAYS tune in to see my Irish play on Gray November afternoons, albeit with the sound turned off so I can\’t hear eye-shadowed homer, Tom Hammond call play by play for yet another Montana-esque #3.

Give me Criqui on the radio any day.

Good luck, Mr. Kelly. Unfortunately, I foresee the same fate befalling you in 3 years as everyone except Dr. Lou.

Until ND finds their Gene Stallings to exorcise the ghosts of glories past, you\”ll be S.O.L..

Rant over…sorry.[/quote]

To Jim – I agree that coaches should honor their contracts, but in this case, ND was giving a bigger offer than Cincinatti could, and it was a limited time thing. If he would\’ve waited til after the Bowl, the job may not still have been there, and bad timing would have screwed him. Also, when ND can\’t make a bowl game and goes 6-6 on a weak schedule, I don\’t think it really mattered whether Kelly won or lost their bowl game. An undefeated season and a BCS berth is good enough.

To Powers – As a Notre Dame student, I agree that Notre Dame doesn\’t need another \”offensive genius.\” He has, however, succeeded in every college job he has had, and not only succeeded but thrived. Plus, he played linebacker, and therefore at least has some sort of defensive background, albeit small. Also, I am a fan of some of Nike\’s recent stuff, including Oregon\’s jerseys and the way that System of Dress is simplifying all the unnecessary piping and stripes from the basketball uniform. Can we form a Nike support group?

[quote comment=”366342″]Another push for a 12th Big Ten team:
link

Got a better idea – how ’bout Penn State moving to the Big East where they belong?[/quote]

I’d seriously love that, JV!!! As a SU Alum nothing makes me happier than shaking my fist in frustration at another buttkicking administered by the Lions.

[quote comment=”366369″][quote comment=”366351″][quote comment=”366348″][quote comment=”366342″]Another push for a 12th Big Ten team:
link

Got a better idea – how ’bout Penn State moving to the Big East where they belong?[/quote]

I hope the Big Ten never adds a 12th team and has one of those for money only so called conference championship games.

And even though a very vocal segment of PSU fans hate the Big Ten. I love the rivarly of OSU and PSU playing every single year.[/quote]

See I am the opposite. The Big Ten will never be an “elite” conference until they get a championship game. The MAC and Conference USA both have a championship game. The Big Ten is idle for three weeks while the MAC, C-USA, ACC and the SEC gear up for championship games.[/quote]

And that is why Ohio State has gotten smacked in the mouth for the past few years.[/quote]

Naw not having conference championship games has nothing to do with it. The last few years Ohio State hasplayed better teams. The Gator game was a debacle. LSU was at LSU and mistakes doomed OSU.

Last yea last second TD as Buckeye back went for the tackle. Before that Ohio State won its last few bowl games.

And the Pac Ten does not have a conference championship. That did not stop USC from winning its bowl games.

When 8-0 teams have to play 5-3 teams to claim a title then something is wrong.

[quote comment=”366377″]larry…just one question for you about a conference championship…

without one, who would win the SEC? bama or florida?[/quote]

the SEC so far is one of the few conferences that works ok

How about how these conference championships in basketball now? Who is the conference champion. The team with the best regular season conference record or the one that gets hot and wins the tourney?

” Someone on the Chris Creamer boards is saying that this is the new Mets BP cap, but don’t fall for it. ”

for the record, I’m that “Someone” and all I mentioned was that this COULD be a preview since it’s a 39/30 and it had similar piping. I never said that this was the actual cap.