Tuesday Morning Uni Watch

Chargers v. Broncos; uni do v. don’t.

Thanks for the link, Paul. Much credit needs to go to Phil who originally started the entire Rivulettes research on my part.

Thank you, Phil. More is being done in terms of digging up info on these women of 1930s, so there may be more to come yet!

• The Red Sox/Fulham deal echoes the Yankees/Man U deal earlier in the decade. Except at the time Man U was possibly the best and most popular soccer team in the world.

• Worse than a high school using Bucko Bruce: The link. The school uses a ripoff Vikings profile logo, a ripoff Wisconsin motion-W, and Packers green and gold. As a native Minnesotan, that combination almost makes my head explode.

The Washington Post has a review of the Brian Jungen show in today’s paper.

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to Tulsa of all places…

What you mean?

Clemson and Coastal Carolina will go color-on-color on Halloween (with thanks to Mike Miller).

Luckily, not many viewers will be subjected to this dog. Sets will be clicked off (I mean remotes will be surfing) after the first quarter, and not because of the color scheme.

Something cool…I found an awesome website for helmets:

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My morning will officially be shot now:

Check out these SICK Navy helmets:

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[quote comment=”355301″]In another blow to the city of Detroit…they are losing their WNBA team…to Tulsa of all places…

I’m not a WNBA fan, but for the city of Detroit…in a weird way, I feel bad for them…[/quote]

I don’t think losing the Shock is going to crush anyone in Detroit. I live near the Palace of Auburn Hills and couldn’t tell you who is on the team, who is the coach, or when a game is.

Nice details…USFL nose bumper

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Small note, something I missed from the past weekend, it appears Blackhawk captain Jonathan Toews has switched from his Easton helmet:

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To a Bauer helmet:

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Has he made the swap this whole year, or was it a one game try out?

detroit is a state? ;)

actually, i think the move to tulsa will be good…those smaller markets will probably really support a minor league sport (and that’s being kind) like the WNBA … despite the parent league (NBA) propping up all these franchises, they’re not gonna be successful at all in the larger cities, where they need to compete for the entertainment dollar with the real clubs — i may have watched two or three WNBA games, and not for all that long … their market is families and families with young girls, and while, in theory, you could probably make a case that there are more of this target audience in the larger cities, the reality is that they’re just not the fannies in the seats in any great meaure

put a WNBA team in a city with no profesional franchises and you’re not only going to attract the families and young girls, but you might also attract the very valuable 25-40 demographic with the spending power…plus, a city like tulsa is probably or likely the next market to GET a full-time professional franchise, and this will be a decent litmus test as to whether they can support it

yes, it’s sad to see the shock move, but it’s even more shocking to see the WNBA still in existence

Thank you Phil! That actually makes alot of sense…
(seriously)

Now, explain the Islanders situation!! (just kidding) ;)

[quote comment=”355316″][quote comment=”355301″]In another blow to the city of Detroit…they are losing their WNBA team…to Tulsa of all places…

I’m not a WNBA fan, but for the city of Detroit…in a weird way, I feel bad for them…[/quote]

I don’t think losing the Shock is going to crush anyone in Detroit. I live near the Palace of Auburn Hills and couldn’t tell you who is on the team, who is the coach, or when a game is.[/quote]

The Shock were dead the minute Bill Davidson died (pardon the pun). The only thing keeping the Shock in Detroit was a promise Davidson made to David Stern to keep the team in Detroit. They drew less than 5,000 per game and the upper deck of the Palace was curtained off every game. The Palace can fill those dates with concerts and make more money. I am sure most of the people at the Shock game were part of free ticket giveaways.

As for the Lions, can we petition the NFL to black out the away games as well? Last week vs. the Packers the Lions defense bit on a play fake to no one. The running back went the wrong way, Rogers still play faked to an invisible running back and the defense still bit.

[quote comment=”355327″]I wasn’t knocking Tulsa directly (that’s too easy), I don’t understand the logic

You are correct; Tulsa is no Detroit. Hard to compete with an eroding municipality that was the inspiration for Robocop. Nice mayor, too.
The logic could revolve around the fact that there is now an NBA team in Okie City.[/quote]

What is wrong with the mayor of Detroit?

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[quote comment=”355329″][quote comment=”355328″][quote comment=”355327″]I wasn’t knocking Tulsa directly (that’s too easy), I don’t understand the logic

You are correct; Tulsa is no Detroit. Hard to compete with an eroding municipality that was the inspiration for Robocop. Nice mayor, too.
The logic could revolve around the fact that there is now an NBA team in Okie City.[/quote]

What is wrong with the mayor of Detroit?

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I think he was talking about former mayor Kwame.[/quote]

I know, just making a funny. On a related note, if anyone wants to be the mayor of Detroit all you have to do is be “from the street” or be a former basketball player. It is just too easy.

I think another problem with the WNBA is playing the cavernous arenas and drawing a few thousand fans per game. I’m outside of orlando and we lost the Miracle years ago to Mohecan Sun. We lost our IHL team when the league folded and never had success again with a hockey team here. Part of the reason is the cost to run the Amway Arena for a few thousand fans. Hockey, it cost $10G per game to convert the surface from basketball to ice which was a big deal, then you drew a decent croud for the solar bears, but you still have maybe 4000 people in a building that holds 16k. WNBA never really took off here.

Now in tulsa, you might have a decent fan base in that theres no other professional sports there, and they might use the building the most, as well in tulsa I’m guessing they don’t have a 16k seat arena.

I think one of the secrets to keeping a minor league team in a medium size city like orlando or tulsa is building an arena that fits the business plan. Course, the fact that theres nearly no decent minor league hockey league in the SE means orlando will probably never succeed in a decent minor hockey league, travel plans cost prohibitive.

[quote comment=”355332″]I think another problem with the WNBA is playing the cavernous arenas and drawing a few thousand fans per game. I’m outside of orlando and we lost the Miracle years ago to Mohecan Sun. We lost our IHL team when the league folded and never had success again with a hockey team here. Part of the reason is the cost to run the Amway Arena for a few thousand fans. Hockey, it cost $10G per game to convert the surface from basketball to ice which was a big deal, then you drew a decent croud for the solar bears, but you still have maybe 4000 people in a building that holds 16k. WNBA never really took off here.

Now in tulsa, you might have a decent fan base in that theres no other professional sports there, and they might use the building the most, as well in tulsa I’m guessing they don’t have a 16k seat arena.

I think one of the secrets to keeping a minor league team in a medium size city like orlando or tulsa is building an arena that fits the business plan.

Course, the fact that theres nearly no decent minor league hockey league in the SE means orlando will probably never succeed in a decent minor hockey league, travel plans cost prohibitive.[/quote]

The Tulsa Oilers play in the same arena that will house the basketball team. The Oilers are part of the Central Hockey League, and have a decent following in Tulsa due to their foothold on the city as a pro sports organization. They’re small potatoes compared to the NHL or AHL, but I assume their costs are similar to that of Orlando’s costs, yet they make it work.

It will be interesting to see how this new tenant will affect the Oilers.

Tulsa Shock sounds a little too close to “Culture Shock”. I assume they will be changing their name.

This weekend, West Virginia, UConn’s football opponent will ALSO wear a “6″ on their helmet, as a show of support.

Don’t let Sanchez near those decals.

[quote comment=”355337″][quote comment=\”355325\”][quote comment=\”355320\”]Small note, something I missed from the past weekend, it appears Blackhawk captain Jonathan Toews has switched from his Easton helmet:

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To a Bauer helmet:

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Has he made the swap this whole year, or was it a one game try out?[/quote]

He has been wearing it all season long thus far. While he\’s not a Bauer-endorsed athlete, he has switched sticks from Easton to Bauer as well.[/quote]

Actually, he\’s gone to Warrior from the looks of it too:

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I really got to keep up on the hockey gear ;)[/quote]

I was just checking older photos, but you’re right with Warrior in some of the more recent pictures. Maybe his deal with Easton ended, and he wanted to use something else?

[quote comment=”355339″][quote comment=”355336″]Tulsa Shock sounds a little too close to “Culture Shock”. I assume they will be changing their name.[/quote]

“Tulsa Wildcatters” would be just about perfect for a women’s team.

—Ricko[/quote]
One of the potential owners last name is “Box”. Hold your breath.

The venue:

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[quote comment=”355339″][quote comment=”355336″]Tulsa Shock sounds a little too close to “Culture Shock”. I assume they will be changing their name.[/quote]

“Tulsa Wildcatters” would be just about perfect for a women’s team.

—Ricko[/quote]
I like it. They’ll probably end up naming them after another meteorological event, like the “Tulsa Softball-Sized Hail” or something.

[quote comment=”355339″][quote comment=”355336″]Tulsa Shock sounds a little too close to “Culture Shock”. I assume they will be changing their name.[/quote]

“Tulsa Wildcatters” would be just about perfect for a women’s team.

—Ricko[/quote]

gotta say ricko, that may just be the best possible name for a “new” team i’ve heard in a while…was gonna suggest Cougars but wildcatters works so much better and on so many more levels

[quote comment=”355321″]
On a related note; I find it ironic that Northwestern, “Pioneer” of the Northwestern Stripe, now sports color wedges on their shoulders.
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To me, that NU does not wear their eponymous stripes is one of the most significant uniform travesties in college football.

um…the secret to mariano’s success????

seriously, WTF???

[quote comment=”355351″][quote comment=”355350″]um…the secret to link????

seriously, link???[/quote]
Fox cut away from the shot when the spit was near-level with the ball, for all we know it kept going. But perhaps there was also a second spitter.[/quote]

There’s even a grassy knoll in the outfield there, right?

[quote comment=”355350″]um…the secret to link????

seriously, link???[/quote]

As unconfirmed as that spit is, I’m quite sure that someone over the course of his entire career would have noticed something like this if he has been doing it for so long.

Then again, if he’s lost some of his stuff, it may have started recently. But you would think that the other umpires would have noticed something as obvious as spitting on the ball.

I’m going to unofficially conclude that, based upon his career stats, Rivera is not spitting on the ball. Besides, his cutter is a sonuvabeech to hit without anything on it.

[quote comment=”355352″][quote comment=”355351″][quote comment=”355350″]um…the secret to link????

seriously, link???[/quote]
Fox cut away from the shot when the spit was near-level with the ball, for all we know it kept going. But perhaps there was also a second spitter.[/quote]

There’s even a grassy knoll in the outfield there, right?[/quote]

wow…it was mcdowell

The Broncos’ 6-0 start has come in five different uniforms, including five different ones in the past five weeks:

@ Cincy – blue current;
vs. Cleveland – blue current;
@ Oakland – white current;
vs. Dallas – orange alt current;
vs. Boston – yellow throwback; and
@ SD – white throwback.

I wonder if any other NFL team has worn different unis for five consecutive weeks. November will be more staid. Probably white on 11/1 and blue for the rest of the month. I hope the blue pants are retired, but that would make a sixth uni possible.

[quote comment=”355314″]My morning will officially be shot now:

Check out these SICK Navy helmets:

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Those are SICK, too cool. From that site, I’m diggin’ this Dan Fouts Oregon repro.

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Didn’t the gambler get in trouble for something similar a few years ago?

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Am I the only one who just found out about this?

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[quote comment=”355365″][quote comment=”355362″]Didn’t the gambler get in trouble for something similar a few years ago?

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The breathing on his hands, along with the pine tar, was an issue as well, I believe.[/quote]

he was allowed to “go to his hands” as the parlance is, since it was below a certain temperature…the pine tar…not so much

la russa didn’t make a big deal out of it (in fact, apparently, while someone was in the clubhouse watching on the CSTV and brought it to la russa’s attention, he still didn’t make a big deal out of it)…fox was the one who made the big deal out of it

basically, the umpires were also made aware of it and they told him something to the effect of “just get that shit off of there next time you’re on the bump” … and that was that

[quote comment=”355366″][quote comment=”355365″][quote comment=”355362″]Didn’t the gambler get in trouble for something similar a few years ago?

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The breathing on his hands, along with the pine tar, was an issue as well, I believe.[/quote]

he was allowed to “go to his hands” as the parlance is, since it was below a certain temperature…the pine tar…not so much

la russa didn’t make a big deal out of it (in fact, apparently, while someone was in the clubhouse watching on the CSTV and brought it to la russa’s attention, he still didn’t make a big deal out of it)…fox was the one who made the big deal out of it

basically, the umpires were also made aware of it and they told him something to the effect of “just get that shit off of there next time you’re on the bump” … and that was that[/quote]

Don’t both managers have to agree that the added moisture on the hands from “going to the hands” is ok before the game starts? I thought that was an unofficial rule.

BTW…I’m in for Sheep Station!

[quote comment=”355371″][quote]stop calling it a “ripoff”. Only a ripoff if you steal from someone who’d rather you didn’t.[/quote]

like the link?[/quote]

That’s precisely why I said “MOST times”

—Ricko

[quote comment=”355371″][quote]stop calling it a “ripoff”. Only a ripoff if you steal from someone who’d rather you didn’t.[/quote]

like the link?[/quote]

Good point – even if you’re willing to re-define “stealing” in the broadest possible sense, any use of the motionsick W is stealing.

[quote comment=”355363″][quote comment=”355358″]The Broncos’ 6-0 start has come in five different uniforms, including five different ones in the past five weeks:

@ Cincy – blue current;
vs. Cleveland – blue current;
@ Oakland – white current;
vs. Dallas – orange alt current;
vs. Boston – yellow throwback; and
@ SD – white throwback.

I wonder if any other NFL team has worn different unis for five consecutive weeks. November will be more staid. Probably white on 11/1 and blue for the rest of the month. I hope the blue pants are retired, but that would make a sixth uni possible.[/quote]

That type of thing gets really hard to track when you go back in time. If anyone has, it’s probably the Titans. At one point they had the possibility of 8 different combinations. (Technically 9, but with the NFL only allowing 2 uses of alt jerseys they could only actually do 8 in a season)[/quote]

Yikes! And we all thought Oregon corned the market on uni-combos in a season.

[quote comment=”355345″]hey AFLFAN
[quote comment=”355301″]As for the Lions, can we petition the NFL to black out the away games as well? Last week vs. the Packers the Lions defense bit on a play fake to no one. The running back went the wrong way, Rogers still play faked to an invisible running back and the defense still bit.[/quote]

is there video of this gem? I would love to see it. did Rogers complete the pass?[/quote]

I don’t know if there is video of it, but yes the pass was complete. They even showed the replay with Daryl Johnston commenting of the play fake to no one.

[quote comment=”355377″][quote comment=”355373″][quote comment=”355372″][quote comment=”355371″][quote]stop calling it a “ripoff”. Only a ripoff if you steal from someone who’d rather you didn’t.[/quote]

like the link?[/quote]

That’s precisely why I said “MOST times”

—Ricko[/quote]

You also said “acting act”. LOL ;o)[/quote]

Hey, I’m a work. Usually these need to be sent before I can get the one final proofread I’d like….cuz someone walks in and, can you believe this, they actually expect me to DO something once in awhile. Sheesh. The nerve of people, huh.

—Ricko[/quote]

Those jerks! ;o)

Speaking of work, I’m in the process of booking off five days for the UW Winter Classic. Ricko, do you recommend any hotels that won’t turn my weekend trip into a luxury vacation?

I think I stayed at the Days Inn-MoA the last time I was in Minny. Decent place, good rates.

[quote comment=”355374″][quote comment=”355371″][quote]stop calling it a “ripoff”. Only a ripoff if you steal from someone who’d rather you didn’t.[/quote]

like the link?[/quote]

Good point – even if you’re willing to re-define “stealing” in the broadest possible sense, any use of the motionsick W is stealing.[/quote]

If I sit on my porch, waving and watching you pick apples from my apple tree without saying anything about it, you aren’t stealing.

If I tell you to stop, and you continue, you’re stealing.

If I post a sign that says, “No Apple Picking” and you still pick them, you’re stealing.

—Ricko

quote comment=”355304″]• The Red Sox/Fulham deal echoes the Yankees/Man U deal earlier in the decade. Except at the time Man U was possibly the best and most popular soccer team in the world.

• Worse than a high school using Bucko Bruce: The link. The school uses a ripoff Vikings profile logo, a ripoff Wisconsin motion-W, and Packers green and gold. As a native Minnesotan, that combination almost makes my head explode.[/quote]
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Fulham? No offense to loyal west Londoners, but Fulham is MAYBE the fifth-most popular team in just their city, let alone the entire league. Are they really the best deal the Red Sox could make?

[quote comment=”355383″][quote comment=”355382″][quote comment=”355374″][quote comment=”355371″][quote]stop calling it a “ripoff”. Only a ripoff if you steal from someone who’d rather you didn’t.[/quote]

like the link?[/quote]

Good point – even if you’re willing to re-define “stealing” in the broadest possible sense, any use of the motionsick W is stealing.[/quote]

If I sit on my porch, waving and watching you pick apples from my apple tree without saying anything about it, you aren’t stealing.

If I tell you to stop, and you continue, you’re stealing.

If I post a sign that says, “No Apple Picking” and you still pick them, you’re stealing.

—Ricko[/quote]
If I take the apples without you knowing about it, that’s stealing.

Unless and until you give me permission, even the implied permission of a wave. The University of Wisconsin will give them no such wave, so yes. The high school is stealing.[/quote]

Apples make a really bad analogy for copyright issues.

The whole point of trademark protection with logos is to prevent consumer confusion and not allow Party B to use Party A’s logo to make money by causing people to confuse the two.

In the case of a high school using a green version of the W, is there really anyone stupid enough to think that this high school is representing the university of Wisconsin?

[quote comment=”355383″][quote comment=”355382″][quote comment=”355374″][quote comment=”355371″][quote]stop calling it a “ripoff”. Only a ripoff if you steal from someone who’d rather you didn’t.[/quote]

like the link?[/quote]

Good point – even if you’re willing to re-define “stealing” in the broadest possible sense, any use of the motionsick W is stealing.[/quote]

If I sit on my porch, waving and watching you pick apples from my apple tree without saying anything about it, you aren’t stealing.

If I tell you to stop, and you continue, you’re stealing.

If I post a sign that says, “No Apple Picking” and you still pick them, you’re stealing.

—Ricko[/quote]
If I take the apples without you knowing about it, that’s stealing.

Unless and until you give me permission, even the implied permission of a wave. The University of Wisconsin will give them no such wave, so yes. The high school is stealing.[/quote]

I think they make such a big deal out of it because it’s not that great of a design, and they know it, but all the fuss makes people think it’s so cool.

I never liked it. Give me a good old-fashioned block W the way the Winnipeg Blue Bombers had. link

[quote comment=”355385″]As for the Broncos streak of different uniforms, it is kind of strange the NFL allowed them to have a standard alternate jersey (the orange one) in the same season they used a throwback – especially considering the AFL teams actually have two throwbacks this season since they have home and road versions.

Do any of the other AFL “legacy” teams have an alternate jersey for this year?[/quote]

I’m pretty sure the Chargers are planning on using their modern powder blue this season too. The Bills & Jets throwbacks already were their alternates, so no issues there. KC & Oakland don’t have alts. The Pats & Titans have both used alts in the past, but I’m not sure if either is still considered current.

RE: Stealing….

So, then the “MEATS” shirt, which uses the Mets font & colors isn’t stealing?

[quote comment=”355372″][quote comment=”355371″][quote]stop calling it a “ripoff”. Only a ripoff if you steal from someone who’d rather you didn’t.[/quote]

like the link?[/quote]

That’s precisely why I said “MOST times”

—Ricko[/quote]

That’s an interesting admission, since I’m the one who introduced the word “ripoff” into the thread, and I was specifically talking about Wisconsin’s motion W.

But I still say all such uses of pro or collegiate logos by high schools are ripoffs. Maybe not in the legal or moral sense of being theft — though in point of fact nearly all high school logo appropriations are that — but in the sense of being unoriginal copycatism. And more importantly, in the sense of ripping off the school’s students.

Every high school in America has among its student body a few students with the artistic and design talent to create an original logo for their school, particularly with guidance and review from teachers. When school administrators use a ripoff pro logo, they’re not telling the students that they’re as good as the pros. They’re telling the students that they’re not good enough to represent themselves, and also that nobody cares enough about the school to give it its own identity. Regardless of whether the ripoff logo is a legal or moral crime against the logo’s owners, it is a pedagogical crime against the schools’ students.

My own high school was nicknamed the Eagles — just like half the other schools in our conference! — and back in the day they replaced their Philly-ripoff eagle-wing helmets with logos designed by students (with the help of art teachers and alumni boosters). Not NFL-quality logos, to be sure, but quite good for a high school, and I can tell you that we took a hell of a lot more pride in the team when we had our own logos that stood for us. And the great thing is that the school still uses both of the student-developed logos to this day for all sports and for the school itself, more than 20 years after abandoning the pro ripoff logo.

Simply put, even the worst original logo is better, from the point of view of what a high school exists to do, than the best recycled pro logo.

[quote comment=”355395″][quote comment=\”355314\”]My morning will officially be shot now:

Check out these SICK Navy helmets:

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Whoops!

Meant to say that Jolly Roger Helmet is amazing!!

Fun uni related game here:
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[quote comment=”355394″][quote comment=”355372″][quote comment=”355371″][quote]stop calling it a “ripoff”. Only a ripoff if you steal from someone who’d rather you didn’t.[/quote]

like the link?[/quote]

That’s precisely why I said “MOST times”

—Ricko[/quote]

That’s an interesting admission, since I’m the one who introduced the word “ripoff” into the thread, and I was specifically talking about Wisconsin’s motion W.

But I still say all such uses of pro or collegiate logos by high schools are ripoffs. Maybe not in the legal or moral sense of being theft — though in point of fact nearly all high school logo appropriations are that — but in the sense of being unoriginal copycatism. And more importantly, in the sense of ripping off the school’s students.

Every high school in America has among its student body a few students with the artistic and design talent to create an original logo for their school, particularly with guidance and review from teachers. When school administrators use a ripoff pro logo, they’re not telling the students that they’re as good as the pros. They’re telling the students that they’re not good enough to represent themselves, and also that nobody cares enough about the school to give it its own identity. Regardless of whether the ripoff logo is a legal or moral crime against the logo’s owners, it is a pedagogical crime against the schools’ students.

My own high school was nicknamed the Eagles — just like half the other schools in our conference! — and back in the day they replaced their Philly-ripoff eagle-wing helmets with logos designed by students (with the help of art teachers and alumni boosters). Not NFL-quality logos, to be sure, but quite good for a high school, and I can tell you that we took a hell of a lot more pride in the team when we had our own logos that stood for us. And the great thing is that the school still uses both of the student-developed logos to this day for all sports and for the school itself, more than 20 years after abandoning the pro ripoff logo.

Simply put, even the worst original logo is better, from the point of view of what a high school exists to do, than the best recycled pro logo.[/quote]

And I agreed with that notion when I said it doesn’t make sense with some much computer design technology available these days.

My point (again) is that by not vigorously clamping down on logo adoptions and the like for the past 50 years, the pros and major colleges have created an atmosphere where such things are seen as no big deal.

To insert some kind of moral indignation (other than your point about not tapping into the skills of the students) when there is no such indignation from the owners of the material is just…silly.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”355308″]to Tulsa of all places…

What you mean?[/quote]

Yeah, I live in Tulsa.

[quote comment=”355375″]Paul,
Nice work on the Broncos “yellow stripe” issue. I was wondering about that last night. While those uniforms are indeed horrid, I think it’s great that the Broncos have such a great sense of humour and history. The one thing they are doing differently in those uniforms that the original team didn’t do is they are winning.[/quote]

Am I crazy for not thinking what the Broncos wore last night was “horrid?” If you fix the pant stripes to match the socks and helmet, I think that look is actually AWESOME. I know the vertical striped sock is very bizarre, but wouldn’t it be cool if the Broncos wore them all the time, just to be different?

I’ll go as far to say they update the 1960’s look into their current color scheme and make that their permenant uniform set.

I get the impression I’m in the vast minority here, is that right?

In the case of a high school using a green version of the W, is there really anyone stupid enough to think that this high school is representing the university of Wisconsin?

Suppose the logo is rendered in black and white. Now the possibility of confusion is present. This is why clever organizations take out trademark protection over full-color and single-color versions of their logo. Or, stipulate restrictions on its use so as not to step into a possible violation (such as North Dakota’s requirement that another University trademark be used with their “ND” monogram, so as not to risk confusion with Notre Dame).

[quote comment=”355390″][quote comment=”355385″]As for the Broncos streak of different uniforms, it is kind of strange the NFL allowed them to have a standard alternate jersey (the orange one) in the same season they used a throwback – especially considering the AFL teams actually have two throwbacks this season since they have home and road versions.

Do any of the other AFL “legacy” teams have an alternate jersey for this year?[/quote]

I’m pretty sure the Chargers are planning on using their modern powder blue this season too. The Bills & Jets throwbacks already were their alternates, so no issues there. KC & Oakland don’t have alts. The Pats & Titans have both used alts in the past, but I’m not sure if either is still considered current.[/quote]
Why would you wear a throwback, then an alternate that is meant to evoke the throwback. That’s just dumb.

[quote comment=”355411″][quote comment=”355406″][quote comment=”355375″]Paul,
Nice work on the Broncos “yellow stripe” issue. I was wondering about that last night. While those uniforms are indeed horrid, I think it’s great that the Broncos have such a great sense of humour and history. The one thing they are doing differently in those uniforms that the original team didn’t do is they are winning.[/quote]

Am I crazy for not thinking what the Broncos wore last night was “horrid?” If you fix the pant stripes to match the socks and helmet, I think that look is actually AWESOME. I know the vertical striped sock is very bizarre, but wouldn’t it be cool if the Broncos wore them all the time, just to be different?

I’ll go as far to say they update the 1960’s look into their current color scheme and make that their permenant uniform set.

I get the impression I’m in the vast minority here, is that right?[/quote]
About the pants stripe, if they altered them, they wouldn’t really be throwing back, it’d be a half-assed attempted. If they had done that, they would have been crucified here.[/quote]
Nevermind

[quote comment=”355402″]Hey Paul,

Boston.com stole a page right out of your book with their “Rate the AFL Uniforms” survey. link
Coincidence? HA HA[/quote]
Paul’s book?

Anyway, on the subject of HS/NFL ripoff logos, my high school: link. That’s great for a school in the suburbs of Chicago, eh?

link (when I was there, the colors weren’t metallic — just plain old forest green and athletic gold).

And then there’s link, which is about 2 miles from my house. The Nickname is Vikings and their teams play/train at Holmgren Athletic Complex. Yep, link.

At least link is original.

[quote comment=”355411″][quote comment=”355406″][quote comment=”355375″]Paul,
Nice work on the Broncos “yellow stripe” issue. I was wondering about that last night. While those uniforms are indeed horrid, I think it’s great that the Broncos have such a great sense of humour and history. The one thing they are doing differently in those uniforms that the original team didn’t do is they are winning.[/quote]

Am I crazy for not thinking what the Broncos wore last night was “horrid?” If you fix the pant stripes to match the socks and helmet, I think that look is actually AWESOME. I know the vertical striped sock is very bizarre, but wouldn’t it be cool if the Broncos wore them all the time, just to be different?

I’ll go as far to say they update the 1960’s look into their current color scheme and make that their permenant uniform set.

I get the impression I’m in the vast minority here, is that right?[/quote]
About the pants stripe, if they altered them, they wouldn’t really be throwing back, it’d be a half-assed attempted. If they had done that, they would have been crucified here.[/quote]

Precisely, this is not about improving the past. That’s ludicrous.
It’s about recreating the past. Or at the least the look of it.

View the unis and either approve or disapprove. IMprove isn’t exactly an issue. If they’d “improved” them or “healed” them (as some teams did in ’94, and the Cowboys are still doing) we’d have been all over them.

—Ricko

How come the Chargers’ coaching staff weren’t wearing LA Chargers gear last night?

[quote comment=”355417″][quote]Why would you wear a throwback, then an alternate that is meant to evoke the throwback. That’s just dumb.[/quote]

great point stu

i did a comparison of the two unis (chargers “throwback” vs “alternate”) and there are actually 9 different things about the throwback, but yeah…it’s pretty much the same principle

if flickr were working, i’d post the side by side…but it appears down

anyone else having problems with flickr?[/quote]

Had they done the actual ’60 Los Angeles Chargers, there would have been a lot more differences. In the details, sure, but different.

Imagine the Colts of that era…but everywhere the Colts used stripes, the Chargers used lightning bolts. That’s the design philosophy of what the original Chargers wore. And it was quite the innovation in pro football unis. Really was. Other than the Broncos, the Chargers got the most AFL uni attention.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”355420″][quote comment=”355417″][quote]Why would you wear a throwback, then an alternate that is meant to evoke the throwback. That’s just dumb.[/quote]

great point stu

i did a comparison of the two unis (chargers “throwback” vs “alternate”) and there are actually 9 different things about the throwback, but yeah…it’s pretty much the same principle

if flickr were working, i’d post the side by side…but it appears down

anyone else having problems with flickr?[/quote]

Had they done the actual ’60 Los Angeles Chargers, there would have been a lot more differences. In the details, sure, but different.

Imagine the Colts of that era…but everywhere the Colts used stripes, the Chargers used lightning bolts. That’s the design philosophy of what the original Chargers wore. And it was quite the innovation in pro football unis. Really was. Other than the Broncos, the Chargers got the most AFL uni attention.

—Ricko[/quote]
I would have liked to see that uni. Seems like the Chargers are pulling an Al Davis, implying their history didn’t start until they moved to San Diego.

[quote comment=”355421″]
Just use link instead. You don’t need an account. You can just upload a file and they’ll host it.[/quote]

thanks james…problem is i did the side-by-side on the home computer, and im in the office, so i rely upon flickr for that sort of thing…that pic is at home, so i got nothing to upload

[quote comment=”355424″][quote comment=”355421″]
Just use link instead. You don’t need an account. You can just upload a file and they’ll host it.[/quote]

thanks james…problem is i did the side-by-side on the home computer, and im in the office, so i rely upon flickr for that sort of thing…that pic is at home, so i got nothing to upload[/quote]
Yeah, I can see how that might present a problem.

[quote comment=”355427″][quote comment=”355418″]How come the Chargers’ coaching staff weren’t wearing LA Chargers gear last night?[/quote]
Yeah, Norv should have come out in a bow tie, horn-rimmed specs, smoking a pipe.[/quote]

Well, for one thing, the players weren’t wearing LA Chargers gear, either.

Since we’re talking some AFL here today…

Without looking it up, Which team led the 1960 AFL in scoring?

–Ricko

[quote comment=”355430″]Since we’re talking some AFL here today…

Without looking it up, Which team led the 1960 AFL in scoring?

–Ricko[/quote]

Yeah, like I’m going to not look up something like that.

Although it is amusing and not who I thought it would be.

[quote comment=”355380″][quote comment=”355377″][quote comment=”355373″][quote comment=”355372″][quote comment=”355371″][quote]stop calling it a “ripoff”. Only a ripoff if you steal from someone who’d rather you didn’t.[/quote]

like the link?[/quote]

That’s precisely why I said “MOST times”

—Ricko[/quote]

You also said “acting act”. LOL ;o)[/quote]

Hey, I’m a work. Usually these need to be sent before I can get the one final proofread I’d like….cuz someone walks in and, can you believe this, they actually expect me to DO something once in awhile. Sheesh. The nerve of people, huh.

—Ricko[/quote]

Those jerks! ;o)

Speaking of work, I’m in the process of booking off five days for the UW Winter Classic. Ricko, do you recommend any hotels that won’t turn my weekend trip into a luxury vacation?

I think I stayed at the Days Inn-MoA the last time I was in Minny. Decent place, good rates.[/quote]

Probably as good as any. A bit of a pull to site of the Pond Hockey, but you’re close to airport and, of course, MOA, which has lots of stuff to peruse.

Otherwise check Days Inns (or similar) along 394 (also called Wayzata Blvd) in suburbs like St. Louis Park, Hopkins, Minnetonka, Plymouth). Those are easily accessible to downtown and much closer to Pond Hockey.

—Ricko

—Ricko

Too bad Bama would not agree to the color on color game with the Vols.

Here are 3 old pictures of when that game was color on color from the 1960’s

link

link

And I like the reactions in this one

link

[quote comment=”355437″]Too bad Bama would not agree to the color on color game with the Vols.

Here are 3 old pictures of when that game was color on color from the 1960’s

link

There’s an SI cover shot of one of those games, too, if you want to go looking, Larry.

Bama WR Dennis Homan, I think it is. Or maybe Ray Perkins.

—Ricko
link

And I like the reactions in this one

link

(Well, screwed that up)

There’s an SI cover shot of one of those games, too, if you want to go looking, LarryB.

Bama WR Dennis Homan, I think it is. Or maybe Ray Perkins.

—Ricko

No thoughts who might have led the ’60 AFL in scoring?

which team, that is.

Here is b&w action from an early 1960’s Broncos Chargers game with the Chargers in the dark.

And as todays columns and last nights comments stated see the Broncos pants stripe is darker than what white would be

link

[quote comment=”355444″][quote comment=”355441″](Well, screwed that up)

There’s an SI cover shot of one of those games, too, if you want to go looking, LarryB.

Bama WR Dennis Homan, I think it is. Or maybe Ray Perkins.

—Ricko[/quote]

I did save those pics from the SI vault. I was a teen and remember that issue also[/quote]

Here you go…
link

[quote comment=”355447″]Here is b&w action from an early 1960’s Broncos Chargers game with the Chargers in the dark.

And as todays columns and last nights comments stated see the Broncos pants stripe is darker than what white would be

link

Tell you what, spend three hours watching one of those games live on ABC, even in black and white, and a chimp can tell the pants stripes are darker than the white jerseys and socks.

Just sayin’, on some of these things you may just have to take my word for it. Unless you can find someone else who was sitting there watching, too, and looking for things like that.

God, I’m old.

—Ricko

And the highest scoring team in the 1960 AFL was….

(drum roll)

The team no one thought was worth watching…

(drum roll)

The team an entire city didn’t see was part of something with a future (and some media members, I think, are still a little embarrassed about that to this day…

The most prolific aerial circus in a league of aerial circuses…

your NEW YORK TITANS, ladies and gentlemen!!!!

—Ricko

[quote comment=”355452″][quote comment=”355447″]Here is b&w action from an early 1960’s Broncos Chargers game with the Chargers in the dark.

And as todays columns and last nights comments stated see the Broncos pants stripe is darker than what white would be

link

The Chargers blue looks a hell of a lot darker there too. I knew the current version was too light, but damn.[/quote]

That’s ’61 cuz bolts are yellow gold. And they wore dead solid royal blue that year, same color as Colts.

And I’m still pretty sure the LA Chargers wore almost navy. First time I saw the SD Chargers on TV (yes, b&w) I noticed the gold bolts and that the new obviously Colts-royal jerseys were a new color, definitely NOT as dark as the year before.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”355449″][quote comment=”355444″][quote comment=”355441″](Well, screwed that up)

There’s an SI cover shot of one of those games, too, if you want to go looking, LarryB.

Bama WR Dennis Homan, I think it is. Or maybe Ray Perkins.

—Ricko[/quote]

I did save those pics from the SI vault. I was a teen and remember that issue also[/quote]

Here you go…
link

Yep That is the cover I remember. I have that SI someplace. I started to get them in 1966 some and then subscribed in 1967

The first 3 Alabama vs Tennessee color on color were from 1965

These 3 are from that 1967 SI Ricko put the cover on. So here are 3 from the 67 Vols Bama game

link

link

link

I note the quality of the color pics in SI improved from 1965-67

[quote comment=”355426″][quote comment=”355424″][quote comment=”355421″]
Just use link instead. You don’t need an account. You can just upload a file and they’ll host it.[/quote]

thanks james…problem is i did the side-by-side on the home computer, and im in the office, so i rely upon flickr for that sort of thing…that pic is at home, so i got nothing to upload[/quote]
Yeah, I can see how that might present a problem.[/quote]

ok…i know the jeff already posted one

but chargers throwback vs. alternate (thank you flickr for returning)

see if you can spot the 9 differences between the two

see if you can spot the 9 differences between the two

I only see 6 differences.
signed,
Mark Sanchez

[quote comment=”355461″]
see if you can spot the 9 differences between the two[/quote]

From a non-football guy… this is what is noticeably different on the first picture compared to the second when I look at them.

1. Number on the side of the helmet vs. none in picture #2.
2. Shoulder stripes are significantly different.
3. TV numbers are on the sleeve as compared to the shoulder.
4. Font for the numbers is different.
5. There is no “CHARGERS” below the neckline.
6. Pants have no stripe.
7. Lightning bolt on the pants is significantly different.
8. Black shoes vs. white shoes.
9. Gray facemasks vs. black facemasks.
10. Outline colours on the numbers are different.
11. Blue collars vs. white collars on the jerseys.
12. The patch is pretty obvious.

I think that’s everything?

[quote comment=”355465″][quote comment=”355461″]
see if you can spot the 9 differences between the two[/quote]

From a non-football guy… this is what is noticeably different on the first picture compared to the second when I look at them.

1. Number on the side of the helmet vs. none in picture #2.
2. Shoulder stripes are significantly different.
3. TV numbers are on the sleeve as compared to the shoulder.
4. Font for the numbers is different.
5. There is no “CHARGERS” below the neckline.
6. Pants have no stripe.
7. Lightning bolt on the pants is significantly different.
8. Black shoes vs. white shoes.
9. Gray facemasks vs. black facemasks.
10. Outline colours on the numbers are different.
11. Blue collars vs. white collars on the jerseys.
12. The patch is pretty obvious.

I think that’s everything?[/quote]
12 must be metric for 9 :^J

[quote comment=”355468″][quote comment=”355467″][quote comment=”355465″][quote comment=”355461″]
see if you can spot the 9 differences between the two[/quote]

From a non-football guy… this is what is noticeably different on the first picture compared to the second when I look at them.

1. Number on the side of the helmet vs. none in picture #2.
2. Shoulder stripes are significantly different.
3. TV numbers are on the sleeve as compared to the shoulder.
4. Font for the numbers is different.
5. There is no “CHARGERS” below the neckline.
6. Pants have no stripe.
7. Lightning bolt on the pants is significantly different.
8. Black shoes vs. white shoes.
9. Gray facemasks vs. black facemasks.
10. Outline colours on the numbers are different.
11. Blue collars vs. white collars on the jerseys.
12. The patch is pretty obvious.

I think that’s everything?[/quote]
12 must be metric for 9 :^J[/quote]

We sticklers for details in Canada. LOL[/quote]

WE’RE… spelling isn’t important, though. LOL

[quote comment=”355469″][quote comment=”355468″][quote comment=”355467″][quote comment=”355465″][quote comment=”355461″]
see if you can spot the 9 differences between the two[/quote]

From a non-football guy… this is what is noticeably different on the first picture compared to the second when I look at them.

1. Number on the side of the helmet vs. none in picture #2.
2. Shoulder stripes are significantly different.
3. TV numbers are on the sleeve as compared to the shoulder.
4. Font for the numbers is different.
5. There is no “CHARGERS” below the neckline.
6. Pants have no stripe.
7. Lightning bolt on the pants is significantly different.
8. Black shoes vs. white shoes.
9. Gray facemasks vs. black facemasks.
10. Outline colours on the numbers are different.
11. Blue collars vs. white collars on the jerseys.
12. The patch is pretty obvious.

I think that’s everything?[/quote]
12 must be metric for 9 :^J[/quote]

We sticklers for details in Canada. LOL[/quote]

WE’RE… spelling isn’t important, though. LOL[/quote]
OK, I missed the white collar but I don’t think the patch should be included. When they break out the alts this year, I’m pretty sure it’ll be on there.

As for the collar, advantage throwback.

Updated score: throwback 8, modern 3.

[quote comment=”355398″]Fun uni related game here:
link
UGH…2:30 for all 24

MY FIRST UNI-CHANGES

On June 26th it was in the ticker that Missouri(Kansas City) had a new CHL hockey team (the Mavericks). It was mentioned that it was an outrage becauses the teams colors were revealed to be orange and blue, and the mascot was horse – too close to the Denver Broncos for the Chiefs hometown.

link

I’m a big fan of blue, and orange, and think they look great together. I’ve also grown up being an alumnus of schools with a horse mascot, so I don’t mind the horse. But I am a Chiefs fan and I don’t know what the “creative team” for the Mavericks was thinking!!!

As a season ticket holder to this new team (I’m thrilled to have hockey back in the area), I’ve taken it upon myself to make what “should’ve been.” I’ve gone with a lesser used color scheme – Light Blue and Burgundy, with Grey. I believe minor league teams should be set apart (unique names and colors – though not abusrd.)

Enjoy:
link

(I used MS Paint. Couldn’t figure out how to change the shoulder numbers. When I can figure out how to change the logo/use photoshop…I will)

[quote comment=”355423″][quote comment=”355414″][quote comment=”355402″]Hey Paul,

Boston.com stole a page right out of your book with their “Rate the AFL Uniforms” survey. link
Coincidence? HA HA[/quote]
Paul’s book?

Anyway, on the subject of HS/NFL ripoff logos, my high school: link. That’s great for a school in the suburbs of Chicago, eh?

link (when I was there, the colors weren’t metallic — just plain old forest green and athletic gold).

And then there’s link, which is about 2 miles from my house. The Nickname is Vikings and their teams play/train at Holmgren Athletic Complex.

Yep, link.

At least link is original.[/quote]

There is a historically black DII college, Elizabeth City State, nicknamed the “Vikings”. Although perhaps it has been modernized, their logo is very much like Minnesota’s. Not sure when they began playing football, but the school was founded in the 1890’s. Any of you lawyers out there interested?
link

There is a very old, historic African-American/Black social organization in New Orleans called “The Vikings”. Very prominent Black men, goes back many, many years.

I wonder if there isn’t some type of origin or history to that – I know, not back to Norway or wherever – but an American tradition of “Viking” being adopted by older Black organizations for some tradition or reason …….?

Can anyone confirm or deny if Broncs-Chargers was the first ever NFL game where both teams wore numbers on the sides of their helmets? Obviously this same matchup would have happened in the AFL. Would Pittsburgh and Cleveland possibly have matched up with helmet-side numerals?

[quote comment=”355443″]No thoughts who might have led the ’60 AFL in scoring?[/quote]

Cino Cappelleti!

[quote comment=”355482″][quote comment=”355480″][quote comment=”355406″][quote comment=”355375″]Paul,
Nice work on the Broncos “yellow stripe” issue. I was wondering about that last night. While those uniforms are indeed horrid, I think it’s great that the Broncos have such a great sense of humour and history. The one thing they are doing differently in those uniforms that the original team didn’t do is they are winning.[/quote]

Am I crazy for not thinking what the Broncos wore last night was “horrid?” If you fix the pant stripes to match the socks and helmet, I think that look is actually AWESOME. I know the vertical striped sock is very bizarre, but wouldn’t it be cool if the Broncos wore them all the time, just to be different?

I’ll go as far to say they update the 1960’s look into their current color scheme and make that their permenant uniform set.

I get the impression I’m in the vast minority here, is that right?[/quote]

I can deal with the uni being “HORRID” because the uni being HORRID is part of the fun, part of the deal …

The original AFL teams are wearing uniforms similar to those that these teams wore in the early 1960’s. For the Broncos, almost exactly like those worn in 1960.

The other teams should have worn EXACTLY those worn in the year of 1960 for a number of reasons -thus completing the effect – and eliminating the nit-picking debates and criticism seen here and MANY, MANY other places over what really is a good thing.

The point of the event is to honor or celebrate 50 years, and the 50th Aniversary, of the AFL.

How hideous the unis might be is only a detail to the celebration.[/quote]
And on the subject of half-assing it, the “AFL Legacy” games will include all of the original 8, plus the Dolphins as well as an NFL team (Cowboys) but NOT the Bengals. Has anyone heard a reason for this?[/quote]

I believe that the Dolphins should wear their very first uniforms, and the Bengals also.

what I believe would be really cool – though inaccurate – would be for the Bengals to wear their original CONCEPT uniforms – with the original 1968 pants and helmet – but with the ORANGE jerseys with Black numerals that were promoted and released to the public in the AFL publicity materials prior to their going to the Browns-coles unis immediately prior to the season.

Also, I still say that the Dolphins’ original “Aqua” color was alot closer to green than the current Aqua.

Any thoughts ….?

Detroit is a state. A state of mind, that is.

I for one find myself paying more attention to the comments here. For that matter, I usually go to the bottom of the list and work up.

I’m going to guess that whereever the cornhole or beanbag game is popular, there’s some people who will customize a game for you in local teams’ colors.

[quote comment=”355486″][quote comment=”355434″]Maryland Camo Jerseys:

link
Am I the only one that finds this extremely interesting that they’re doing this against Virginia Tech[/quote]
Probably.

[quote comment=”355486″][quote comment=”355434″]Maryland Camo Jerseys:

link
Am I the only one that finds this extremely interesting that they’re doing this against Virginia Tech, a school known for its outstanding Corps of Cadets. Now don’t get me wrong, I understand the cause, but I’m not sure wearing camo against a school that has a significant student population training to be in the military is that wise.

Little known fact, VaTech has the most graduates to be awarded the Medal of Honor outside of the military academies.[/quote]

Totally.

Oh, and FYI, Nike is making VT wear the “special uniform” for the Maryland game. It’ll be white with the already mentioned checkerboard motif on the helmet and pants. Not sure if the helmet will be maroon or white.

So I guess the good part of the whole GT loss last weekend is that nobody is going to care enough to watch us in those embarrassments that weekend.

The CORNIEST stadium in all of sports:
link

[quote comment=”355478″][quote comment=”355476″]Is it possible for a team to copyright its team colors, assuming it “created” the colors to begin with? Or … are all colors in, as it were, the “public domain”?[/quote]
You can trademark a color combo, but not a single color. And trademarks are different from copyright.

Ie, I can trademark 60% Powder blue, 25% neon green, 8% black and 7% red for use in my packaging, so that somebody selling a similar product wouldn’t be able to use that color scheme to mislead consumers.[/quote]

Phil, think you could whip up a uni with that color combo?

From yesterday about the Virginia Tech uniforms. Is it confirmed that they will use the old style uniforms next year?

[quote comment=”355497″]From yesterday about the Virginia Tech uniforms. Is it confirmed that they will use the old style uniforms next year?[/quote]
The guy who was quoted in the ticker designed the look of the logos that VT uses on their athletics website. He also leaked the VT basketball jerseys last year on his own site before they were unveiled by the school.

He’s in a position to know.

[quote comment=”355500″][quote comment=”355498″]
My point wasn’t whether the uniforms were historically accurate or not, my point was, if you change the pant stripes from mustard to white, the Bronco’s unis last night would have looked AMAZING.[/quote]
OK, if we’re going that route, I think the better move would be to add some yellow trim to the jersey numbers, change the helmet stripe to yellow and wear the home socks.[/quote]
Yellow-stripéd helmet would also be worn with yellow jerseys.

[quote comment=”355464″][quote comment=”355463″]see if you can spot the 9 differences between the two

I only see 6 differences.
signed,
Mark Sanchez[/quote]

link[/quote]

Don’t encourage me. :)

When I was a kid, a school in Delaware called Caravel Academy used Bucco Bruce as its athletic logo. When looking for evidence of this, I found that they followed the lead of the NFL Buccaneers and have poached their new logo: link

[quote comment=”355495″][quote comment=”355478″]I can trademark 60% Powder blue, 25% neon green, 8% black and 7% red for use in my packaging, so that somebody selling a similar product wouldn’t be able to use that color scheme to mislead consumers.[/quote]

Phil, think you could whip up a uni with that color combo?[/quote]

jim, you are a sick, sick man

here

proportions are probably way off, but whatever

[quote comment=”355507″][quote comment=”355495″][quote comment=”355478″]I can trademark 60% Powder blue, 25% neon green, 8% black and 7% red for use in my packaging, so that somebody selling a similar product wouldn’t be able to use that color scheme to mislead consumers.[/quote]

Phil, think you could whip up a uni with that color combo?[/quote]

jim, you are a sick, sick man

link

proportions are probably way off, but whatever[/quote]

Thanks Phil. Now if only 300 lb defensive tackles looked as good as that template of yours, we’d be in business.

[quote comment=”355493″]The CORNIEST stadium in all of sports:
link
What the hell is on that guy’s head?

“Blue Light Special in the rug department…”

[quote comment=”355498″][quote comment=”355416″][quote comment=”355411″][quote comment=”355406″][quote comment=”355375″]Paul,
Nice work on the Broncos “yellow stripe” issue. I was wondering about that last night. While those uniforms are indeed horrid, I think it’s great that the Broncos have such a great sense of humour and history. The one thing they are doing differently in those uniforms that the original team didn’t do is they are winning.[/quote]

Am I crazy for not thinking what the Broncos wore last night was “horrid?” If you fix the pant stripes to match the socks and helmet, I think that look is actually AWESOME. I know the vertical striped sock is very bizarre, but wouldn’t it be cool if the Broncos wore them all the time, just to be different?

I’ll go as far to say they update the 1960’s look into their current color scheme and make that their permenant uniform set.

I get the impression I’m in the vast minority here, is that right?[/quote]
About the pants stripe, if they altered them, they wouldn’t really be throwing back, it’d be a half-assed attempted. If they had done that, they would have been crucified here.[/quote]

Precisely, this is not about improving the past. That’s ludicrous.
It’s about recreating the past. Or at the least the look of it.

View the unis and either approve or disapprove. IMprove isn’t exactly an issue. If they’d “improved” them or “healed” them (as some teams did in ’94, and the Cowboys are still doing) we’d have been all over them.

—Ricko[/quote]

My point wasn’t whether the uniforms were historically accurate or not, my point was, if you change the pant stripes from mustard to white, the Bronco’s unis last night would have looked AMAZING.

Most people are reserved to the point that the throwbacks are ugly but they should get credit for being historically accurate. I say, regardless of the accuracy I like the look itself.[/quote]

Now, if the platform is that we’re talking about what would make any of the throwbacks work as regular unis in 2010, that’s pants of a different color.

But you’re right, to just say, pants stripe should have been white is kinda dumb. Or that the officials look stupid in Yipes Stripes. Well, jeez, let’s just fire off letters to the Broncos and the AFL and backdate them 50 years. Because last night they were just as they should be.

See the distinction I’m making?

Now in the other discussion, yeah, add a white stripe to the pants, gold edge to the road numbers, make the helmet stripe gold, and keep both the home and road socks…and it has a chance at being a wildly unique 2010 uni. Largely because not only are the colors unique, but the signature element is the socks, instead of farting around trying to make every piece of the uni a signature element.

Might even work with white pants, as someone said, especially with the white jerseys.

But fine everybody who wears “twistys” until their checkbooks bleed.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”355350″]um…the secret to link????

seriously, link???[/quote]
link

The beefsteak description reminds me of a college dining hall “tradition” that may just have been a legend, but was impressive, nonetheless.

I heard stories of Viking Night – no utensils, lots of grunting, no bending at the elbow.

“Small Potatoes” just brought Donald Trump’s douchebaggery to a whole new level for me.

[quote comment=”355479″]Can anyone confirm or deny if Broncs-Chargers was the first ever NFL game where both teams wore numbers on the sides of their helmets? Obviously this same matchup would have happened in the AFL. Would Pittsburgh and Cleveland possibly have matched up with helmet-side numerals?[/quote]

The Steelers and Browns played like this from 1957-1960.

Here’s the artwork for the South Carolina Gamecocks camo uniforms

link

Way late to the party on this one, but link. Those link were teh suck, especially compared to the link.

Of course, I’m sure they’ll do the road as their next one-time-only limited edition.

[quote comment=”355524″]The Maryland/SC Wounded Warrior jerseys follow last year’s Army/Navy concept: “CVOB” – Core Value on Back.[/quote]

I don’t think its a follow up, since Army/Navy are Nike. More like steal.

[quote comment=”355527″][quote comment=”355524″]The Maryland/SC Wounded Warrior jerseys follow last year’s Army/Navy concept: “CVOB” – Core Value on Back.[/quote]

I don’t think its a follow up, since Army/Navy are Nike. More like steal.[/quote]
It’s like the old moviemaking axiom. Homages are for hacks. Geniuses steal.

the folks at UA = geniuses

[quote comment=”355519″]”Small Potatoes” just brought Donald Trump’s douchebaggery to a whole new level for me.[/quote]

Yeah, it was to the point that I could ALMOST see a Macy’s commercial of him without cringing, but now…

Anyway, as painful as that chapter is, it’s still a great show, from what I’ve seen. I got to see bits and pieces, but now that I have it on tape (two copies, just in case) I’ll be watching it all week.

[quote comment=”355507″][quote comment=”355495″][quote comment=”355478″]I can trademark 60% Powder blue, 25% neon green, 8% black and 7% red for use in my packaging, so that somebody selling a similar product wouldn’t be able to use that color scheme to mislead consumers.[/quote]

Phil, think you could whip up a uni with that color combo?[/quote]

jim, you are a sick, sick man

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proportions are probably way off, but whatever[/quote]

Okay, maybe I wouldn’t wear THAT uni…but if I played around with the possibilities I’m sure I could find a worthwhile combination. ;)

I mentioned the JH memorial stickers on UConn’s helmets yesterday, and in addition to those and West Virginia wearing number 6 stickers during this Saturdays game, Clemson’s quarterback, a high school teammate of Jasper Howard will be wearing number 6.
Also, at UConn, #6 will go unworn until 2011, when jasper should have graduated, and the only people with similar traits in character will wear the number after that.

Dear Nick Swisher’s agent,

You can’t register your trademark unless there’s a product attached to the mark. So, the application/registration may be filed, but it’s not something innocent, it’s because there’s an actual product to sell.

Love,

Anthony – your friendly, neighborhood trademark attorney

[quote comment=”355405″][quote comment=”355311″]Swisher salutes with his left hand, which is the military equivalent of “hey fuck you”.[/quote]
Swisher salutes with his left hand because his glove is on his right.[/quote]

Then he should remove the glove.