NOB Job Revisited

[quote comment=”351529″][quote comment=”351516″]quick UW poll:

which is worse?

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a) is the worst. c) is so-so. I kinda like b).[/quote]

I am trying to find the Central Michigan all vegas gold unis that i am pretty sure they wore. Can anyone help me out on finding these?

I have seen those robes being sold somewhere…perhaps MLB.com, or maybe the SkyMall….

Tough to tell for sure from the picture, Micah Owings’ helmet looks like a half Gazoo–one flap.

Why is Bronson Arroyo’s “bill bottom” grey and not black?

[quote comment=”351547″]My guess on Geno is that his full name is Eugene, and the “u” is there to differentiate from Eain.[/quote]

Exactly correct. Geno is actually Eugene

“Just when you thought there was nothing left to bet on, a casino is giving odds on whether a punk hits the Cowboys scoreboard this season.”

Best typo ever. Please leave it! =) It took me a few minutes to figure it out, as I’m kind of tired this morning, but I loved it.

Here’s a picture of the cleats Chad Ochocinco will be wearing Sunday.

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Wha wha whaaaaaaaaaat? There’s a straight hem on the Flames throwback edge jerseys? Hmmmmm… Perhaps this is a trial run and they’ll eliminate the bib-look from the jerseys next year… God I hope so, those bibs look like dogshit

Can someone explain to me how in the hell a hockey puck can hit a FOOTBALL scoreboard?

As for moving the Shea field 10′ closer to the outfield, I’ve built a number of ball fields, there is also a 60′ requirement from homeplate to the fence/wall beyond the plate, so they’d have to move the backstop wall 10′ in as well.

There are billboards around Atlanta for Airtran featuring Falcons wearing Falcon uniforms and helmets. This is a new development, as in the past, their ads featured Falcons wearing generic uniforms. Whoever created these ads must have had some using photoshop, as the NOBs are WAY larger than in real life.

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One observation and two complaints about the Flames’ alternates. The observation is that the breezer shell has the Bauer wordmark, when I thought Reebok was the exclusive provider of that type of equipment. The two complaints are the NHL shield at the bottom of the collar, which serves no practical purpose, and the 30th Anniversary patch just seems to muck up a beautiful looking, given its sisters, uniform.

[quote comment=”351564″]Can someone explain to me how in the hell a hockey puck can hit a FOOTBALL scoreboard?[/quote]
Say what?

Wow. I want one of those EHC Munich Oktoberfest jerseys. But it doesn’t look like the club has an online store. Bah!

[quote comment=”351565″][quote comment=”351563″]Looking at this picture of the Penguins’ championship rings, I’m surprised that the logos of their four playoff opponents are on the side of the rings.
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Are their other championship rings out there that even mention other teams beside the winners?[/quote]

Pardon me for saying so, but those rings are lame.
(IMHO)[/quote]

No, they’re beautiful, and more rings are on the way with the young talent and front office the Pens have. Pittsburgh has already matched Chicago’s output, and with two more rings, the Pens will equal the rings won by Boston, a team founded 44 years earlier.

how is the sabres getting new jerseys not ticker worthy?

[quote comment=”351580″]OK, so Geno is Eugene. But that still doesn’t explain why the “u” is a small cap.[/quote]
I can’t see the pictures but is there a picture of Eain? Maybe the equipment staff just uses small caps for NOB abbreviations. May not make sense from an overall standpoint but it would make sense if they are consistently done that way.

Eugene and Eain.

[quote comment=”351585″]
This ring was obviously designed by a woman.[/quote]

Stay classy, San Diego.

Not only is it odd that Arroyo would wear an old gray-underbrim cap at all, it would be especially odd if he chose a gray-underbrim cap to “hide” pine tar. Stuff’s basically black. So if you want to conceal it, and you have a choice of a light gray surface and a black surface, you’d choose the black surface, right?

As to the Mets, moving the field up 10 feet would make for more home runs, sure. But it would also make for a lot more foul outs. On balance, it might actually be better for pitchers than batters. But I’d love it if they tried; it would be such a Mets thing to do.

[quote comment=”351548″][quote comment=”351529″][quote comment=”351516″]quick UW poll:

which is worse?

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a) is the worst. c) is so-so. I kinda like b).[/quote]

I am trying to find the Central Michigan all vegas gold unis that i am pretty sure they wore. Can anyone help me out on finding these?[/quote]

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But thankfully those will never see the light of day again.

The worst you will see this year is link.

[quote comment=”351563″]Looking at this picture of the Penguins’ championship rings, I’m surprised that the logos of their four playoff opponents are on the side of the rings.
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Are their other championship rings out there that even mention other teams beside the winners?[/quote]

The link listed each team and the series record against that team on their rings.

The link did the same.

[quote comment=”351576″]
No, they’re beautiful, and more rings are on the way with the young talent and front office the Pens have. Pittsburgh has already matched Chicago’s output, and with two more rings, the Pens will equal the rings won by Boston, a team founded 44 years earlier.[/quote]

You know what’s great about that, Gusto? He fails to realize that the Oilers and Islanders, two teams founded AFTER the Penguins, have more Stanley Cups than the Penguins.

Maybe it’s time you stop beating the horse. It’s already dead.

[quote comment=”351595″]A few things:

Joe Sakic’s time spent in Quebec link to the franchise?
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Quebec’s records are not recognized as achievements in Colorado. The same way that Winnipeg achievements are not recognized in Phoenix. The same way that Atlanta’s achievements are not recognized in Calgary. Etc, etc, etc.

[quote comment=”351586″][quote comment=”351585″]
This ring was obviously designed by a woman.[/quote]

Stay classy, San Diego.[/quote]

Wondered if I’d get away with that one.
:)

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So am I the only person who hates that there isn’t a standard size for a baseball field?[/quote]

Yes. :-)

[quote comment=”351549″]
Felix “Doc” Blanchard | RB, Navy, 1945
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Well, he’s obviously Mr. Outside.

As in, outside the Army.

[quote comment=”351588″]Not only is it odd that Arroyo would wear an old gray-underbrim cap at all, it would be especially odd if he chose a gray-underbrim cap to “hide” pine tar. Stuff’s basically black. So if you want to conceal it, and you have a choice of a light gray surface and a black surface, you’d choose the black surface, right?

As to the Mets, moving the field up 10 feet would make for more home runs, sure. But it would also make for a lot more foul outs. On balance, it might actually be better for pitchers than batters. But I’d love it if they tried; it would be such a Mets thing to do.[/quote]

Indeed, A Mets thing to do.

They could solidify themselves as the dumbest organization if they move the field closer to the fences by 10 feet. For starters, the alternative would be to add seats in the outfield (a bit like Comerica Park) and add revenue (a good thing). Also, how smart is it to move the field farther from the most expensive seats in the house? Lastly, you would be adding foul territory which would tick off the Mets batters more than anything (just ask the Athletics how they like batting 81 games in the Oakland Coliseum)

I doubt they even consid…wait a minute, no I don’t

Another option for the Mets would be to move the bullpens – put them in left field behind a new “inner wall” and take 20 feet off the power alley. Basically the same they did in Comerica park just after it opened. It would also let them put more seats in where the old bullpens were, which they also did in Comerica.

[quote comment=”351593″][quote comment=”351575″]The Flames need to keep those throwback unis all season. THAT’S the way a hockey team’s supposed to look![/quote]

So true. Everyone – fans, reporters, players – are all raving about these. When will the NHL realize that, like so many things they’ve done under Gary Bettman’s watch, the Reebok uni reinvention plan is almost a complete disaster? Horizontal waist stripes, colourful arm stripes, and actual rich colours instead of black or nearly black shades of them – these are what set hockey uniforms apart from other sports.

And scoop hems: don’t get me started![/quote]

Ehh, it’s not like we didn’t get ugly uniforms with the old jersey templates. It’s all about the designers.

[quote comment=”351593″][quote comment=”351575″]The Flames need to keep those throwback unis all season. THAT’S the way a hockey team’s supposed to look![/quote]

So true. Everyone – fans, reporters, players – are all raving about these. When will the NHL realize that, like so many things they’ve done under Gary Bettman’s watch, the Reebok uni reinvention plan is almost a complete disaster? Horizontal waist stripes, colourful arm stripes, and actual rich colours instead of black or nearly black shades of them – these are what set hockey uniforms apart from other sports.

And scoop hems: don’t get me started![/quote]
And what better way to showcase the way jerseys SHOULD be tailored than playing against the Canucks whose white EDGE jerseys really show off the lameness of the EDGE scoop hem. Flames Alt – classic. Canucks road – brutal.

I love the Oktoberfest lederhosen jerseys! Inspired silliness gets me every time.

[quote comment=”351606″]Another option for the Mets would be to move the bullpens – put them in left field behind a new “inner wall” and take 20 feet off the power alley. Basically the same they did in Comerica park just after it opened. It would also let them put more seats in where the old bullpens were, which they also did in Comerica.[/quote]

I don’t know if moving the bullpens would work. In Detroit they moved the fence in 25 feet in order to fit the bullpens. That would make Citi Field’s left-center about 349′. No way they could have it that short without making a wall that would obstruct the view of the seats.

Plus it wouldn’t help the right field dimensions

Oh, and regarding Gino Smith. To me, it looks like the trainer simply cut an uppercase “O” in half to make the lower case “u” in the Eu. Compare Mr. Smith’s “u” to the “O” in Brown standing on the right.

[quote comment=\”351614\”][quote comment=\”351606\”]Another option for the Mets would be to move the bullpens – put them in left field behind a new \”inner wall\” and take 20 feet off the power alley. Basically the same they did in Comerica park just after it opened. It would also let them put more seats in where the old bullpens were, which they also did in Comerica.[/quote]

I don\’t know if moving the bullpens would work. In Detroit they moved the fence in 25 feet in order to fit the bullpens. That would make Citi Field\’s left-center about 349\’. No way they could have it that short without making a wall that would obstruct the view of the seats.

Plus it wouldn\’t help the right field dimensions[/quote]

The real option for the Mess is that they could blow up the back 1/2 of Citi Field and leave it unfinished like they did with Shea, since they ran out of money. OR they could blow up the whole place and simply redo the entire place since it seems to be too pitcher friendly

[quote comment=”351613″][quote comment=”351589″][quote comment=”351576″]No, they’re beautiful, and more rings are on the way with the young talent and front office the Pens have. Pittsburgh has already matched Chicago’s output, and with two more rings, the Pens will equal the rings won by Boston, a team founded 44 years earlier.[/quote]
OK, we get it. Pittsburgh is the be all, end all. It’s the center of the sporting universe. No other (MLB/NHL/NFL) team can possibly compete with the awesomeness of the (Pirates/Penguins/Steelers).

The (Pirates/Penguins/Steelers) are the most storied franchise in the history of ever.

OK, now that we’ve settled that, can you please give it a fucking rest?[/quote]

Hey, I’m only responding to lame insults, I’ve NEVER said any Pittsburgh sports franchise is the best in any particular sport. I only deal in facts, so you better believe I’ll respond the next time someone says something wrong. That’s my right, if you want to come back with something factual, and not an immature response, that’s fine. Fact is, I’ve been very critical of Pittsburgh sports teams and uniform selections.

And Teebz, bringing up Edmonton and the Islanders is not a valid point of comparison to the Pens. Both of those franchises actually existed only a few years within the time the Pens entered the league, remember, Edmonton was a WHA franchise. I don’t believe the Oilers and Islanders will be Cup contenders anytime soon. So yes, my point stands because it’s factual.[/quote]

Well I guess the fact of the matter is that the Islanders were founded 5 years after the penguins and in just 11 short years amassed more Stanley Cup championships than the penguins have had in their 42 years. Thats gonna leave a mark.

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Indeed, A Mets thing to do.[/quote]

The White Sox also did this at old Comiskey. Suddenly, the list of player who had homered onto the rooftop expanded greatly in the next few years. :-)

[quote comment=”351604″]Also, how smart is it to move the field farther from the most expensive seats in the house? [/quote]
Well, you’re also ten feet further from the hecklers when you’re batting…

The Flames looked soooo good last night. Especially compared to their normal reebok template disaster. I would do anything to see them back in that old design permanently.

[quote comment=”351613″]I don’t believe the Oilers and Islanders will be Cup contenders anytime soon. [/quote]

I’ll tack this piece of info on for you, Gusto.

2001-02: Penguins finish 26th out of 30 teams.
2002-03: Penguins finish 29th out of 30 teams.
2003-04: Penguins finish 30th out of 30 teams.
2005-06: Penguins finish 29th out of 30 teams.

Did anyone think they would win a Stanley Cup after being so crappy for so long? No, they built through the draft, and climbed the ladder.

The New York Islanders, if I may, are beginning to do this as well. That Tavares guy, that Bailey guy, that DiPietro guy… all pieces of the foundation that they need to grow.

Don’t dismiss anyone. It takes equal parts of skill, hard work, and luck to win the hardest trophy in sports.

[quote]that DiPietro guy[/quote]

who?

[quote comment=”351626″][quote comment=”351613″]I don’t believe the Oilers and Islanders will be Cup contenders anytime soon. [/quote]

I’ll tack this piece of info on for you, Gusto.

2001-02: Penguins finish 26th out of 30 teams.
2002-03: Penguins finish 29th out of 30 teams.
2003-04: Penguins finish 30th out of 30 teams.
2005-06: Penguins finish 29th out of 30 teams.

Did anyone think they would win a Stanley Cup after being so crappy for so long? No, they built through the draft, and climbed the ladder.

The New York Islanders, if I may, are beginning to do this as well. That Tavares guy, that Bailey guy, that DiPietro guy… all pieces of the foundation that they need to grow.

Don’t dismiss anyone. It takes equal parts of skill, hard work, and luck to win the hardest trophy in sports.[/quote]

that, and you just can’t predict the future of any team. that’s just silly. plus, teebz is never wrong. lol. and i’m a die hard pens fan…

The reason for the “C” patch on the Av’s jerseys switching sides is because the pre-game 19’s had the patch on the left, just like a captain’s C. It was moved to the right for the game to avoid any confusion with the new Captain and Alternates.

and, after reading the above reply, i bet it’s a blast living in the “leon” household!

If you can get permission, come visit and see for yourself. Me casa es su casa.

[quote comment=”351633″]…he was working in medical testing…[/quote]
Tell him to say “hi” to Marian Hossa from all the Hawks fans. :-(

[quote comment=”351636″][quote comment=”351633″]…he was working in medical testing…[/quote]
Tell him to say “hi” to Marian Hossa from all the Hawks fans. :-([/quote]

Not to worry, though, since Islanders fans should be happy in looking at the future. Alexei Yashin’s retarded deal comes off the books next season. They’ll have more money to spend on century-long contracts. :o)

[quote comment=”351634″]and, after reading the above reply, i bet it’s a blast living in the “leon” household!

If you can get permission, come visit and see for yourself. Me casa es su casa.[/quote]

Or as I like to say..

Mi casa es MI casa.

[quote comment=”351627″][quote comment=”351591″][quote comment=”351554″]Why is Bronson Arroyo’s “bill bottom” grey and not black?[/quote]
It is an older wool 5950’s which had a grey bill bottom. The new polyester ones feature the black bill bottom.[/quote]

Okay, but WHY is he wearing that cap? Looking at other photos, he’s always worn the grey underbill while everyone else’s is black.[/quote]
Some players prefer the old, wool 59Fifties to the new polyester, partially, because based on personal experiences, it molds to your head shape unlike the new design which features “shrink resistance”.

[quote comment=”351620″][quote comment=”351613″][quote comment=”351589″][quote comment=”351576″]No, they’re beautiful, and more rings are on the way with the young talent and front office the Pens have. Pittsburgh has already matched Chicago’s output, and with two more rings, the Pens will equal the rings won by Boston, a team founded 44 years earlier.[/quote]
OK, we get it. Pittsburgh is the be all, end all. It’s the center of the sporting universe. No other (MLB/NHL/NFL) team can possibly compete with the awesomeness of the (Pirates/Penguins/Steelers).

The (Pirates/Penguins/Steelers) are the most storied franchise in the history of ever.

OK, now that we’ve settled that, can you please give it a fucking rest?[/quote]

Hey, I’m only responding to lame insults, I’ve NEVER said any Pittsburgh sports franchise is the best in any particular sport. I only deal in facts, so you better believe I’ll respond the next time someone says something wrong. That’s my right, if you want to come back with something factual, and not an immature response, that’s fine. Fact is, I’ve been very critical of Pittsburgh sports teams and uniform selections.

And Teebz, bringing up Edmonton and the Islanders is not a valid point of comparison to the Pens. Both of those franchises actually existed only a few years within the time the Pens entered the league, remember, Edmonton was a WHA franchise. I don’t believe the Oilers and Islanders will be Cup contenders anytime soon. So yes, my point stands because it’s factual.[/quote]

Well I guess the fact of the matter is that the Islanders were founded 5 years after the penguins and in just 11 short years amassed more Stanley Cup championships than the penguins have had in their 42 years. Thats gonna leave a mark.[/quote]

The Devils have same number of cups as the Pens and Blackhawks and with two more will have passed the Rangers. What is the point of this whole discussion?

[quote comment=”351645″][quote comment=”351627″]Why is Bronson Arroyo’s “bill bottom” grey and not black?[/quote]
It is an older wool 5950’s which had a grey bill bottom. The new polyester ones feature the black bill bottom.[/quote]

you made me cry…i don’t want to lose this feeling

[quote comment=”351613″][quote comment=”351589″][quote comment=”351576″]No, they’re beautiful, and more rings are on the way with the young talent and front office the Pens have. Pittsburgh has already matched Chicago’s output, and with two more rings, the Pens will equal the rings won by Boston, a team founded 44 years earlier.[/quote]
OK, we get it. Pittsburgh is the be all, end all. It’s the center of the sporting universe. No other (MLB/NHL/NFL) team can possibly compete with the awesomeness of the (Pirates/Penguins/Steelers).

The (Pirates/Penguins/Steelers) are the most storied franchise in the history of ever.

OK, now that we’ve settled that, can you please give it a fucking rest?[/quote]

Hey, I’m only responding to lame insults, I’ve NEVER said any Pittsburgh sports franchise is the best in any particular sport. I only deal in facts, so you better believe I’ll respond the next time someone says something wrong. That’s my right, if you want to come back with something factual, and not an immature response, that’s fine. Fact is, I’ve been very critical of Pittsburgh sports teams and uniform selections.

And Teebz, bringing up Edmonton and the Islanders is not a valid point of comparison to the Pens. Both of those franchises actually existed only a few years within the time the Pens entered the league, remember, Edmonton was a WHA franchise. I don’t believe the Oilers and Islanders will be Cup contenders anytime soon. So yes, my point stands because it’s factual.[/quote]
[quote comment=”351613″][quote comment=”351589″][quote comment=”351576″]No, they’re beautiful, and more rings are on the way with the young talent and front office the Pens have. Pittsburgh has already matched Chicago’s output, and with two more rings, the Pens will equal the rings won by Boston, a team founded 44 years earlier.[/quote]
OK, we get it. Pittsburgh is the be all, end all. It’s the center of the sporting universe. No other (MLB/NHL/NFL) team can possibly compete with the awesomeness of the (Pirates/Penguins/Steelers).

The (Pirates/Penguins/Steelers) are the most storied franchise in the history of ever.

OK, now that we’ve settled that, can you please give it a fucking rest?[/quote]

Hey, I’m only responding to lame insults, I’ve NEVER said any Pittsburgh sports franchise is the best in any particular sport. I only deal in facts, so you better believe I’ll respond the next time someone says something wrong. That’s my right, if you want to come back with something factual, and not an immature response, that’s fine. Fact is, I’ve been very critical of Pittsburgh sports teams and uniform selections.

And Teebz, bringing up Edmonton and the Islanders is not a valid point of comparison to the Pens. Both of those franchises actually existed only a few years within the time the Pens entered the league, remember, Edmonton was a WHA franchise. I don’t believe the Oilers and Islanders will be Cup contenders anytime soon. So yes, my point stands because it’s factual.[/quote]
…they’re beautiful, and more rings are on the way…
…with two more rings, the Pens will equal the rings won by Boston…

Gusto44 — Dealing only in facts…

…since 11:05 am.

[quote comment=”351641″]GREAT NEWS FOR CHICAGOANS!! NO OLYMPICS!!

Good luck paying for it, some other city. I doubt anywhere else could waste as much on bribes and graft as Chicago could.[/quote]

If only Mike Royko were still around to document this last decade of Illinois Shenanigans.

[quote comment=”351650″]If only Mike Royko were still around to document this last decade of Illinois Shenanigans.[/quote]
Allow me to suggest that John Kass occupies not only his column space at the Chicago Tribune, but his spirit and attitude as well.

[quote comment=”351562″]Wha wha whaaaaaaaaaat? There’s a straight hem on the Flames throwback edge jerseys? Hmmmmm… Perhaps this is a trial run and they’ll eliminate the bib-look from the jerseys next year… God I hope so, those bibs look like dogshit[/quote]

but it it really straight or did they fold and sew them like the rangers did the first year of these monstrosities?

[quote comment=”351619″][quote comment=”351613″]
And Teebz, bringing up Edmonton and the Islanders is not a valid point of comparison to the Pens. Both of those franchises actually existed only a few years within the time the Pens entered the league, remember, Edmonton was a WHA franchise. I don’t believe the Oilers and Islanders will be Cup contenders anytime soon. So yes, my point stands because it’s factual.[/quote]

How is it not a valid point of comparison? The Penguins have been around longer than both the Oilers and Islanders and have less success. It doesn’t matter if the Oilers were a WHA franchise or not. In fact, the Oilers were at a great disadvantage than the Penguins because the NHL-WHA merger stripped them of all their players except for two skaters and a goaltender. So don’t think for a second that either team was built to win when they entered the NHL. You’re DEAD WRONG if you think that. Both teams built through the drafts, and both teams are more successful in less time.

It’s the exact same comparison you made between the Blackhawks, Bruins and Penguins.

That’s a fact.[/quote]

Teebz, I really thought you knew something about hockey! Please read my original post again, I was comparing the Pens accomplishments to Original Six teams who have been around for several decades longer, a HUGE advantage. Now, read my post about the few years difference in franchise age between the Pens and the Isles/Oilers. I can’t believe you don’t understand the difference. Obviously, you’ve let your jealousy and anti-Pittsburgh feelings known, but you just don’t have the facts to back up your point of view.
You also missed badly on my view of the Isles and Oilers future, I would like to see any NHL expert offer evidence those franchises will be cup contenders anytime soon. It ain’t happening, what the Pens have done in a few years, rising from worst to first is extremely rare in all of sports.
It’s always funny when people point out the bad Pens teams earlier this decade and imply there was luck involved in the current(and future success). This just in, it takes more than high draft choices to build one of the top organizations in the NHL. Fact is, the Pens have undergone a complete makeover since Mario bought the team. The combination of great ownership, front office, and on ice talent will assure the Pens will be serious cup contenders for many, many, years to come. Do you follow any of the player personnel decisions the Pens have made? Are you aware players young and old, are taking below market money to stay with this organization?
Please give me a challenge next time, and take time to actually read my posts. I really expected more.

[quote]Obviously, you’ve let your jealousy and anti-Pittsburgh feelings known, but you just don’t have the facts to back up your point of view.[/quote]
Thanks for a good laugh, Gusto.

The west virginia player probably has a 2nd initial because last season there was a player named Ja’tavious Miller on the team.

Also, as for JT Thomas, the same thing as my previous post; there was a kid named DJ Thomas on the roster last year as well. I’m guessing they’re using recycled jerseys from last year.

P.s. Sorry for the multiple posts.

This isn’t getting old, is it?

Chad Ocho Cinco’s link

[quote comment=”351665″]
Packers at Vikings in The Dome Monday night.[/quote]
Ricko, been waiting to see you. Can you tell me what makes the Vikings throwback helmet different from their usual? I’m familar with today’s swooshed up jersey, etc. and how that’s different from the Tarkenton/Foreman years. But I thought the helmet hadn’t changed.

And a challenge: IMHO, we need an acronym for the idea that so many teams in hockey (and hopefully elsewhere) are going to the alts or throwbacks as their primary uniform. Something to express the idea of “going back to their original look which they never should have changed”.

And the buzz of the kid QB on the Vikes playing the Packers would probably be pretty big even if the Badgers/Gophers game was in Madison. :-)

That’s kind of a weekend-maker right there.

[quote]if you’re going to “fail” the penguins ring design… then what would you suggest to fix it?[/quote]

having it say ‘canes’ instead?

[quote comment=”351669″][quote comment=”351666″][quote comment=”351665″]
Packers at Vikings in The Dome Monday night.[/quote]
Ricko, been waiting to see you. Can you tell me what makes the Vikings throwback helmet different from their usual? I’m familar with today’s swooshed up jersey, etc. and how that’s different from the Tarkenton/Foreman years. But I thought the helmet hadn’t changed.

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Plus the helmets are sparkly purple now, correct?

[quote comment=”351661″][quote comment=”351609″][quote comment=”351563″]Looking at this picture of the Penguins’ championship rings, I’m surprised that the logos of their four playoff opponents are on the side of the rings.
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Are their other championship rings out there that even mention other teams beside the winners?[/quote]

Looking around, it’s actually pretty common to mention the other team, usually in that context.

The link put the Cards’ cap logo on the side.

Here’s a couple more. Not logos, but featuring the opponent’s name:

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The link listed their wins over the Raiders (AFL championship) and Colts (world championship) on the same ring.

The link put it on the top of the ring![/quote]

Thanks for the research. At least on these examples, the opponent(s) was only a small feature of the design. The four competitor logos dominate an entire side of the ring. I’m a Penguins fan, but I have to fail this design.

And hey, only 13 more championships until the Pens catch up to Ric Flair! WOOOOOO!!![/quote]

Well, hey. If the Penguins had script approval, they’d have more championships, too.

The other logos aren’t any bigger, the reason are so prominant (not dominating an entire side, the player’s name and number take up about half that side) is that the Pens, in what may indeed be a first, put all the teams they defeated in the playoffs instead of just their final opponent.

[quote comment=”351658″][quote]Obviously, you’ve let your jealousy and anti-Pittsburgh feelings known, but you just don’t have the facts to back up your point of view.[/quote]
Thanks for a good laugh, Gusto.[/quote]

I always call it the way it is, sometimes the truth stings. Knowledge trumps emotion, as Mr. Spock would say. I’m more than happy to talk about uniforms again. Never understood why some people like to denigrate other teams accomplishments, it’s not healthy.

[quote comment=”351676″][quote comment=”351658″][quote]Obviously, you’ve let your jealousy and anti-Pittsburgh feelings known, but you just don’t have the facts to back up your point of view.[/quote]
Thanks for a good laugh, Gusto.[/quote]

I always call it the way it is, sometimes the truth stings. Knowledge trumps emotion, as Mr. Spock would say. I’m more than happy to talk about uniforms again. Never understood why some people like to denigrate other teams accomplishments, it’s not healthy.[/quote]
Good to see you’re sticking with that commitment to dealing only in facts.

And a challenge: IMHO, we need an acronym for the idea that so many teams in hockey (and hopefully elsewhere) are going to the alts or throwbacks as their primary uniform. Something to express the idea of “going back to their original look which they never should have changed”.

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we need an acronym for the idea that so many teams in hockey (and hopefully elsewhere) are going to the alts or throwbacks as their primary uniform. Something to express the idea of “going back to their original look which they never should have changed”.

FUA, last word being “Adjustment”?
(Thought about last word being “Correction” but, well, you know)

Possibly…
WWWT (“What Were We Thinking”)

—Rick

[quote comment=”351641″]GREAT NEWS FOR CHICAGOANS!! NO OLYMPICS!!

Good luck paying for it, some other city. I doubt anywhere else could waste as much on bribes and graft as Chicago could.[/quote]

+1

I too am completely relieved Chicago didn’t get it. The cost overruns would had been another huge burden to the city with already huge mounting debt, not to mention all the political and traffic chaos it would have created. Chicago, just stick to pot holes and parking meters…. oops!

[quote comment=”351678″][quote comment=”351676″][quote comment=”351658″][quote]Obviously, you’ve let your jealousy and anti-Pittsburgh feelings known, but you just don’t have the facts to back up your point of view.[/quote]
Thanks for a good laugh, Gusto.[/quote]

I always call it the way it is, sometimes the truth stings. Knowledge trumps emotion, as Mr. Spock would say. I’m more than happy to talk about uniforms again. Never understood why some people like to denigrate other teams accomplishments, it’s not healthy.[/quote]
Good to see you’re sticking with that commitment to dealing only in facts.[/quote]

Yep, it’s too bad people that disagree with me can’t respond with any. I recall there were some people in the 1990s who were critical of the New Jersey Devils style of hockey, and did not give them the proper respect for their success. Since I do follow the sport, I knew the Devils were simply playing within the rules and richly earned
their Cups. Unfortunately there are a small number of fans who don’t show respect and dream up excuses like conspiracy and luck when their teams lose. It’s sad, but true.

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Okay, thanks for that.

Not exactly a huge change-but in any case, I like the old ones a bit better. Mostly the unnecessary shadow at the “hole” where the horn emerges.

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“The New York Daily News is reporting that Red Sox Hall of Famer Ted Williams’ severed head was mistreated at an Arizona cryonics facility,

“…claims a technician took baseball-like swings at Williams’ frozen head with a monkey wrench.”

And the entire time the head was screaming things like, “You’re swinging UP! Keep your weight BACK, goddammit!” ?[/quote]
That’s cold Ricko.

Plus the helmets are sparkly purple now, correct?

No, never mind. I can’t do it.
Too preoccupied with anticipating Ted Williams frozen rope jokes.

Mostly the unnecessary shadow at the “hole” where the horn emerges.

:)

[quote comment=”351690″][quote comment=”351687″]

“The New York Daily News is reporting that Red Sox Hall of Famer Ted Williams’ severed head was mistreated at an Arizona cryonics facility,

“…claims a technician took baseball-like swings at Williams’ frozen head with a monkey wrench.”

And the entire time the head was screaming things like, “You’re swinging UP! Keep your weight BACK, goddammit!” ?[/quote]
That’s cold Ricko.[/quote]

Actually was a comment Teddy Ballgame’s love of hitting and talking about hitting (well, that or fishing). I just figured if he were around someone’s whose swing was off, he wouldn’t be able to restrain himself from trying to fix it, even in his current cryogenic state.

(and, of course, I also thought of that sceaming baseball animation ESPN used to use when showing the big home runs of the day)

—Ricko

[quote comment=”351656″]
Teebz, I really thought you knew something about hockey! Please read my original post again, I was comparing the Pens accomplishments to Original Six teams who have been around for several decades longer, a HUGE advantage.[/quote]

I don’t care how long you’ve been around. There are huge factors as to why these other teams didn’t win championships. If YOU knew hockey history, you’d know why the Canadians and Leafs dominated the hockey landscape for so long. But clearly you don’t, so I’m not going to validate your response with 60 years of hockey history. This isn’t Wikipedia.

[quote comment=”351656″]Now, read my post about the few years difference in franchise age between the Pens and the Isles/Oilers. I can’t believe you don’t understand the difference. Obviously, you’ve let your jealousy and anti-Pittsburgh feelings known, but you just don’t have the facts to back up your point of view.[/quote]

First off, if you knew anything about me, you’d know that I am a huge Pittsburgh Penguins fan. Perhaps you should get to know someone before accusing them of something that isn’t true.

That notwithstanding, you seem to let this time period idea cloud your judgment when we’re talking about how successful a team in within a time period. And it’s not just a “few years”. Pittsburgh had a 12-year head start on Edmonton. Edmonton joined the NHL in 1979, and won the Stanley Cup in 1984. That’s five years. And they won another. And another. And another. Et cetera. In fact, they had won five Stanley Cups before the Penguins won their first. It took Edmonton five years to win their first; it took Pittsburgh 24 years. It took the Islanders eight years; it took Pittsburgh 24. What the eff was Pittsburgh doing during those first 24 years?!? Oh right… we’ll just forget about those 24 years. Those don’t matter.

[quote comment=”351656″]You also missed badly on my view of the Isles and Oilers future, I would like to see any NHL expert offer evidence those franchises will be cup contenders anytime soon. It ain’t happening.[/quote]

I’d like to see an expect correctly predict who will win the Stanley Cup in five years. You know why people didn’t predict the Penguins were going to win the Stanley Cup in 2009 when they finished dead last in 2004? BECAUSE IT CAN’T BE DONE. If you want an expert’s opinion on how they will finish this year, no problem. But in five years? Dig out your crystal ball, oh wise one.

[quote comment=”351656″]what the Pens have done in a few years, rising from worst to first is extremely rare in all of sports.[/quote]

They didn’t do it in one year, Gusto. Are you that blind? Or is it a combination of civic pride (I luvs me sum Pitzberg) and ignorance? It took them five years to reach the pinnacle after being dead last. And they got a pile of help along the way. I’m pretty sure that they didn’t beat Boston or San Jose last season in the playoffs. Someone else did.

[quote comment=”351656″]It’s always funny when people point out the bad Pens teams earlier this decade and imply there was luck involved in the current(and future success).[/quote]

This just in: it has a lot to do with luck. They won the lottery to draft Crosby. That means all 30 teams had a shot at him. How many times have you won the lottery? Sure, they had better odds than you do, but they still won the lottery. I’m sure there was no luck in getting arguably the best player in the league, right?

The rest of it is idiot-proof. They end up last or near last, and they get to draft a great young player in the top five. Unless you’re Mike Milbury, any clown can make those picks.

And since they didn’t eliminate much better teams than themselves last season in the playoffs, they got some luck along the way. How many people would have predicted they would be playing the #7-seeded Carolina Hurricanes in the Eastern Conference Final?

[quote comment=”351656″]This just in, it takes more than high draft choices to build one of the top organizations in the NHL. Fact is, the Pens have undergone a complete makeover since Mario bought the team. The combination of great ownership, front office, and on ice talent will assure the Pens will be serious cup contenders for many, many, years to come.[/quote]

You mean they followed the same path that Detroit and New Jersey took to win championships? You seem to think that Mario Lemieux and his team did something no one else has ever done. Are you really that arrogant? Mario surrounded himself with very credible hockey people and allowed them to do their jobs. Kind of like what Mike Ilitch in
Detroit does. Do you know why bringing in successful people to run a team ends in success? Because success breeds success. Thanks for the class in Business 101.

[quote comment=”351656″]Do you follow any of the player personnel decisions the Pens have made? Are you aware players young and old, are taking below market money to stay with this organization?
Please give me a challenge next time, and take time to actually read my posts. I really expected more.[/quote]

So you mean they are doing the same thing that Detroit has done for the last decade? Do you realize how stupid you make yourself sound with this argument?

Gusto, it’s time that you read a book. Educate yourself. This discussion is over until you can come up with some solid proof that what the Penguins have done in their 42 years of existence is more impressive than what Boston has done in their 85 years of existence. As it stands, all you’ve done is told me what Pittsburgh has accompished. And that’s nothing next to franchises like Edmonton, NY Islanders, Boston, and Chicago.

[quote comment=”351697″][quote comment=”351683″][quote comment=”351681″]Weird:

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y’know…just read my sports pages at lunch, and apparently bill simmons says that “people under 30 don’t care about ted williams”

is this true? any under 30’s on the boards care about mr. ballgame?[/quote]

I’m 28 and care about Ted Williams. I don’t know as much about his playing career as say, Ken Griffey Jr., but as a lover of baseball I respect him as a hitter, a good all-around ballplayer, and a guy who would have greatly different statistics if he wouldn’t have left baseball to fly in the war.

“Batting practice” with a frozen severed head is disgusting and wrong regardless of who the head might belong to.[/quote]
I’ll be 27 on Sunday and I absolutely love Ted Williams for his hitting; his fielding on the other hand…

If you haven’t seen Ken Burns’s documentary on baseball, you need to, plain and simple.

now that I’ve had a chance to look at the Pen’s ring. I like the name flank with the opponents on it. I think the cup on the top and the middle one on the “2009” flank is too much — either/or – not both. (BTW..good luck repeating only 5x since 1980)

..sorry for the above post. Don’t have the hang of closing HTML tags yet.

The UFL logos are up on their site. Just click on the whole paragraph above ^%

Will Minnesota U. be wearing their Ol’ Yellers for this weeks game?

[quote comment=”351707″]At least real hockey fights end in 2-3 minutes…[/quote]

This is Bettman vs. Balsillie. :o)

[quote comment=”351676″][quote comment=”351658″][quote]Obviously, you’ve let your jealousy and anti-Pittsburgh feelings known, but you just don’t have the facts to back up your point of view.[/quote]
Thanks for a good laugh, Gusto.[/quote]

I always call it the way it is, sometimes the truth stings. Knowledge trumps emotion, as Mr. Spock would say. I’m more than happy to talk about uniforms again. Never understood why some people like to denigrate other teams accomplishments, it’s not healthy.[/quote]

You mean like that time you denegrated the accomplishments of every Cleveland franchise?

Teebz, thanks for the very entertaining read.

[quote comment=”351709″]Wow, were they trying to make these logos unappealing or what?
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Darn shame to put those on a perfectly nice uniform, eh Phil? ;)[/quote]
I don’t know, there’s a lot for me to like.

The Redwoods primary logo really works for me. Clearly influenced by the National Park Service. Using a skyscraper for the Sentinels is also a nice choice.

I like using the Sentinels and Redwoods secondary marks as a “stripe”. I like the Tuskers’ tusks, if not the snout.

Don’t like anything about the Vegas helmets, though.

sorry about the delay in the cubs/sox stirrups, i have been placing calls. i have no idea what is up with tck, apparently even though i ordered on the first, they didn’t process until the 11th, and it’s a crazy order, excuses excuses out of their mouths. the second they come in i will start stuffing envelopes and get them out immediately.

this month’s have been ordered. you can always chek status on robertmarshallart.com

bad news on the football tubes, but i am efforting other options here with tck. i was thinking maybe we can customize the varsity look. obviously, they can do teams like the bears if you look through it, but what of the old school packers, or college teams. still working on this people.

[quote comment=”351683″][quote comment=”351681″]Weird:

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y’know…just read my sports pages at lunch, and apparently bill simmons says that “people under 30 don’t care about ted williams”

is this true? any under 30’s on the boards care about mr. ballgame?[/quote]

I’m 26 and a Red Sox fan who also happens to share a birthday (8/30) with the Splinter. Do I know as much about his career as I do today’s players? No. But the man was/is a legend and I have the utmost respect for the way he played the game.

And Bill Simmons is kind of a jackass.

a contrasting opinion about the use of pink
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[quote comment=”351701″][quote comment=”351686″]
Yep, it’s too bad people that disagree with me can’t respond with any. I recall there were some people in the 1990s who were critical of the New Jersey Devils style of hockey, and did not give them the proper respect for their success. Since I do follow the sport, I knew the Devils were simply playing within the rules and richly earned
their Cups. Unfortunately there are a small number of fans who don’t show respect and dream up excuses like conspiracy and luck when their teams lose. It’s sad, but true.[/quote]

The Devils style of hockey was successful. There’s no question about it. They earned their Cups by playing their system perfectly.

However, this conspiracy crap was now only brought up by you. No one is faulting Pittsburgh for winning last season.

I’m faulting you for overcrediting the Penguins’ accomplishments in the last year as if they saved the world. They haven’t done squat in the annals of the NHL except win three times.[/quote]

So much misinformation so little time, well, let’s start at the beginning:

* I never overcredited the Pens accomplishments, just shed light on them. Never did I say the Pens have matched the accomplishments of the Bruins-yet. And yes, the Pens have contributed a little more than three Cups to the NHL. Some of the greats of the game, including a certain #66 have worn a Pens jersey. And this just in, #87, and #71 are on there way to becoming hall of famers. Even with the bad ownership and losing teams of the past, the Pens have a richer tradition than the vast majority of NHL clubs.

* It’s very significant that Pittsburgh is closing in on the Rangers and Boston in Cup wins, especially when those franchises had a head start of several decades. I don’t know what part of that you still don’t understand. While Chicago also has three Cups, one of those were won with a losing record, something that would never happen today. Pittsburgh has definitely surpassed Chicago as a superior franchise, the way Mario was a better player than Bobby Hull. Ever hear of Jagr? Unbelievable.

* Your explanation was lacking when talking about the Original Six era. Who cares if the Habs, Leafs and Wings were tough competition? With roughly a 40 year head start, it’s still surprising that the Rangers, Bruins, and Black Hawks didn’t win more Cups.

* Loved how you said you didn’t put down the Pens title run last season, and then suggested they somehow caught a break when San Jose and Boston
lost. Neither of those teams was clearly as good as Detroit, and the Wings failed to hold a 3-2 lead at home, not even when Crosby was lost for much of Game 7. Clearly, the Pens earned their title.

* You also whiffed on your Oilers/Isles comparison, because the Original Six teams still had decades more time to earn Cups, and they did not.

* Number one picks are not locks to become great players, just ask Brian Lawton and Joe Murphy. If picking high in the draft was such luck, why are the LA Kings not contenders?

* Comparing the Pens situation when Mario took over to the losing situations in Detroit and New Jersey is like comparing fish to cattle. It was a little more than bringing in good people, it was a job just to keep the franchise in town. Ever hear of the new arena opening next year? Without leadership of ownership, none of the current and future success is possible. In all of sports, there has been very few ownership groups facing the challenges Mario and company handled.

* Hey Tom V., the only reason I dumped on Cleveland’s 46 year streak, was because someone just like you piled on the Pirates 17 year streak. What goes around comes around.

Finally, Teebz, you are NOT a Pens fan, I’ve exposed you as a fraud. Your arguments are growing weaker and weaker…….

IN case you can’t tell what the number is on that jersey..it’s 45.
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here’s a great shot of ND:
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my dad was backup to Paul Hornung in HS.

This has probably been asked before, but i dont know the answer…

With how strict the nfl is with regards to player numbers (qb/k/p get 1-19, rbs get 20-49, etc) why is devin hester allowed to keep wearing #23 after switching to wr? wrs can wear #10-19 and 80-89…

[quote comment=”351724″]This has probably been asked before, but i dont know the answer…

With how strict the nfl is with regards to player numbers (qb/k/p get 1-19, rbs get 20-49, etc) why is devin hester allowed to keep wearing #23 after switching to wr? wrs can wear #10-19 and 80-89…[/quote]
Reebok doesn’t want to have pay the costs associated with liquidating their inventory of HESTER/23 jerseys, t-shirts, etc.

The NFL doesn’t want to reimburse Reebok, either. And if they force him to switch his number, they can’t insist that Devin pay, unlike the Chad Johnson situation last year. So they’re more than happy to let the rule go unenforced in this particular case.

[quote comment=”351720″]
So much misinformation so little time, well, let’s start at the beginning:

* I never overcredited the Pens accomplishments, just shed light on them. Never did I say the Pens have matched the accomplishments of the Bruins-yet. And yes, the Pens have contributed a little more than three Cups to the NHL. Some of the greats of the game, including a certain #66 have worn a Pens jersey. And this just in, #87, and #71 are on there way to becoming hall of famers. Even with the bad ownership and losing teams of the past, the Pens have a richer tradition than the vast majority of NHL clubs.[/quote]

1. Pittsburgh is not responsible for #66. #66 made Pittsburgh what it is today. Don’t confuse the two. Otherwise, if Pittsburgh hadn’t purposefully tanked to draft him in 1984, you’d be singing the praises of the New Jersey Devils.

2. There are only two retired numbers in Pittsburgh’s 42-year history. That speaks volumes to how shitty they were.

3. Name me something that the Penguins have contributed to the NHL. Anything. And since NHL players are not team-owned, you cannot named players. They make their own names.

[quote comment=”351720″]* It’s very significant that Pittsburgh is closing in on the Rangers and Boston in Cup wins, especially when those franchises had a head start of several decades. I don’t know what part of that you still don’t understand. While Chicago also has three Cups, one of those were won with a losing record, something that would never happen today. Pittsburgh has definitely surpassed Chicago as a superior franchise, the way Mario was a better player than Bobby Hull. Ever hear of Jagr? Unbelievable.[/quote]

4. You seem to want to compare team success, but then bang the drum on individual success. How about we compare Gretzky to Lemieux. Maybe Messier’s Stanley Cup totals to Lemieux’s. How about Henri Richard’s totals to anyone else’s? Maybe you should stick to comparing team to team.

5. It is even more significant then that the Oilers are more successful than the Blackhawks, Bruins, Rangers, and Penguins. And did it in less time. And took them less than a decade to amass those totals. Therefore, the Oilers are better than the Penguins when comparing team success. Book it, Gusto.

[quote comment=”351720″]* Your explanation was lacking when talking about the Original Six era. Who cares if the Habs, Leafs and Wings were tough competition? With roughly a 40 year head start, it’s still surprising that the Rangers, Bruins, and Black Hawks didn’t win more Cups.[/quote]

6. With roughly a 12-year head start, it’s surprising that the Penguins trail the Oilers by two Stanley Cups. Apparently time is the only factor when one considers how hard it is to win a Stanley Cup.

[quote comment=”351720″]* Loved how you said you didn’t put down the Pens title run last season, and then suggested they somehow caught a break when San Jose and Boston lost. Neither of those teams was clearly as good as Detroit, and the Wings failed to hold a 3-2 lead at home, not even when Crosby was lost for much of Game 7. Clearly, the Pens earned their title.[/quote]

7. San Jose was 2-2 versus the Red Wings last season in the regular season. Boston was 0-1. Pittsburgh was 1-1. When it comes to playoffs, however, anyone can beat anyone else in a seven-game series. Saying that the Bruins or Sharks were “clearly” not as good as Detroit is asinine. I never said the Penguins didn’t earn their championship, though. Don’t you dare put words into my mouth.

[quote comment=”351720″]* You also whiffed on your Oilers/Isles comparison, because the Original Six teams still had decades more time to earn Cups, and they did not.[/quote]

8. The Penguins also had more time, but they didn’t earn more than the Oilers and Islanders. So what is the excuse for the Penguins?

[quote comment=”351720″]* Number one picks are not locks to become great players, just ask Brian Lawton and Joe Murphy. If picking high in the draft was such luck, why are the LA Kings not contenders?[/quote]

9. Joe Murphy played 779 NHL games in his career, amassing 528 points. He also won a Stanley Cup in 1990 with Edmonton.

10. Brian Lawton was drafted straight out of high school by the terrible Minnesota North Stars. Aside from Phil Housley and Tom Barrasso (great job by Buffalo’s scouting department headed by Scotty Bowman), name one high school hockey player who has been an exceptional NHL player. I’ll wait for your answer.

11. The Los Angeles Kings have a stock of young talent, and are expected to push for a playoff spot this season, much like the Penguins did in 2007. Or has that slipped your mind too?

[quote comment=”351720″]* Comparing the Pens situation when Mario took over to the losing situations in Detroit and New Jersey is like comparing fish to cattle. It was a little more than bringing in good people, it was a job just to keep the franchise in town. Ever hear of the new arena opening next year? Without leadership of ownership, none of the current and future success is possible. In all of sports, there has been very few ownership groups facing the challenges Mario and company handled.[/quote]

12. Mario didn’t save the franchise when he was drafted. He didn’t even want to wear the jersey at the 1984 draft until he had a contract. he was hated in Pittsburgh by the media, but loved by the fans. It wasn’t until the magic of the Stanley Cup years did Pittsburgh truly embrace him. Or did you forget those details too? and in case you’ve forgotten, he tried to sell the team to Jim Balsillie. But those kinds of details aren’t important. I’m pretty sure Detroit and New Jersey haven’t been hampered by bankruptcy and ownership changes in the last 20 years. And New Jersey got their new arena without the threat of moving to Kansas City. Are you forgetting that too? Mario faced challenges, but he’s also tried to wash his hands of them.

[quote comment=”351720″]Finally, Teebz, you are NOT a Pens fan, I’ve exposed you as a fraud. Your arguments are growing weaker and weaker…….[/quote]

I’ve been exposed? My sides are sore from all the laughing I’m doing. Gusto, you have nothing.

UniWatch didn’t think the re-jiggered Packers logo was good enough to put up but that dodgeball uniform t-shirt from today is? It looks like it was made by my 5-year old son. Yikes.

[quote comment=”351731″][quote comment=”351727″]I have a question for you Uniwatchers…Am I crazy for thinking this: I look at the St. Louis Blues road whites and think..”those look pretty good…I kind of dig the black, it looks good” then my next thought is “Wait, these are the Blues, why the eff do they even have black in there…it doesn’t fit, it’s just tossed in there for no apparent reason…I hate the Blues.”

Does that officially make me crazy for immediately telling myself I’m an idiot?[/quote]

I’m not sure what you’re looking at, but as far as I can tell there’s no black in the St. Louis Blues uniforms. Navy blue, perhaps?[/quote]

Mike is right. It is navy blue. The picture’s colouring may be off, but the Blues are definitely not black.

Hmm…I knew they were navy last year…they just looked black on versus today. I guess I am crazy. Thanks!

Here’s an interesting way the Mets could boost their power totals without changing the outfield fence.

Maybe they could boost their winning percentage by batting from the new plate position while making the visitors bat from the previous position. Kind of like a ladies tee. :]

[quote comment=”351728″][quote comment=”351720″]
So much misinformation so little time, well, let’s start at the beginning:

* I never overcredited the Pens accomplishments, just shed light on them. Never did I say the Pens have matched the accomplishments of the Bruins-yet. And yes, the Pens have contributed a little more than three Cups to the NHL. Some of the greats of the game, including a certain #66 have worn a Pens jersey. And this just in, #87, and #71 are on there way to becoming hall of famers. Even with the bad ownership and losing teams of the past, the Pens have a richer tradition than the vast majority of NHL clubs.[/quote]

1. Pittsburgh is not responsible for #66. #66 made Pittsburgh what it is today. Don’t confuse the two. Otherwise, if Pittsburgh hadn’t purposefully tanked to draft him in 1984, you’d be singing the praises of the New Jersey Devils.

2. There are only two retired numbers in Pittsburgh’s 42-year history. That speaks volumes to how shitty they were.

3. Name me something that the Penguins have contributed to the NHL. Anything. And since NHL players are not team-owned, you cannot named players. They make their own names.

[quote comment=”351720″]* It’s very significant that Pittsburgh is closing in on the Rangers and Boston in Cup wins, especially when those franchises had a head start of several decades. I don’t know what part of that you still don’t understand. While Chicago also has three Cups, one of those were won with a losing record, something that would never happen today. Pittsburgh has definitely surpassed Chicago as a superior franchise, the way Mario was a better player than Bobby Hull. Ever hear of Jagr? Unbelievable.[/quote]

4. You seem to want to compare team success, but then bang the drum on individual success. How about we compare Gretzky to Lemieux. Maybe Messier’s Stanley Cup totals to Lemieux’s. How about Henri Richard’s totals to anyone else’s? Maybe you should stick to comparing team to team.

5. It is even more significant then that the Oilers are more successful than the Blackhawks, Bruins, Rangers, and Penguins. And did it in less time. And took them less than a decade to amass those totals. Therefore, the Oilers are better than the Penguins when comparing team success. Book it, Gusto.

[quote comment=”351720″]* Your explanation was lacking when talking about the Original Six era. Who cares if the Habs, Leafs and Wings were tough competition? With roughly a 40 year head start, it’s still surprising that the Rangers, Bruins, and Black Hawks didn’t win more Cups.[/quote]

6. With roughly a 12-year head start, it’s surprising that the Penguins trail the Oilers by two Stanley Cups. Apparently time is the only factor when one considers how hard it is to win a Stanley Cup.

[quote comment=”351720″]* Loved how you said you didn’t put down the Pens title run last season, and then suggested they somehow caught a break when San Jose and Boston lost. Neither of those teams was clearly as good as Detroit, and the Wings failed to hold a 3-2 lead at home, not even when Crosby was lost for much of Game 7. Clearly, the Pens earned their title.[/quote]

7. San Jose was 2-2 versus the Red Wings last season in the regular season. Boston was 0-1. Pittsburgh was 1-1. When it comes to playoffs, however, anyone can beat anyone else in a seven-game series. Saying that the Bruins or Sharks were “clearly” not as good as Detroit is asinine. I never said the Penguins didn’t earn their championship, though. Don’t you dare put words into my mouth.

[quote comment=”351720″]* You also whiffed on your Oilers/Isles comparison, because the Original Six teams still had decades more time to earn Cups, and they did not.[/quote]

8. The Penguins also had more time, but they didn’t earn more than the Oilers and Islanders. So what is the excuse for the Penguins?

[quote comment=”351720″]* Number one picks are not locks to become great players, just ask Brian Lawton and Joe Murphy. If picking high in the draft was such luck, why are the LA Kings not contenders?[/quote]

9. Joe Murphy played 779 NHL games in his career, amassing 528 points. He also won a Stanley Cup in 1990 with Edmonton.

10. Brian Lawton was drafted straight out of high school by the terrible Minnesota North Stars. Aside from Phil Housley and Tom Barrasso (great job by Buffalo’s scouting department headed by Scotty Bowman), name one high school hockey player who has been an exceptional NHL player. I’ll wait for your answer.

11. The Los Angeles Kings have a stock of young talent, and are expected to push for a playoff spot this season, much like the Penguins did in 2007. Or has that slipped your mind too?

[quote comment=”351720″]* Comparing the Pens situation when Mario took over to the losing situations in Detroit and New Jersey is like comparing fish to cattle. It was a little more than bringing in good people, it was a job just to keep the franchise in town. Ever hear of the new arena opening next year? Without leadership of ownership, none of the current and future success is possible. In all of sports, there has been very few ownership groups facing the challenges Mario and company handled.[/quote]

12. Mario didn’t save the franchise when he was drafted. He didn’t even want to wear the jersey at the 1984 draft until he had a contract. he was hated in Pittsburgh by the media, but loved by the fans. It wasn’t until the magic of the Stanley Cup years did Pittsburgh truly embrace him. Or did you forget those details too? and in case you’ve forgotten, he tried to sell the team to Jim Balsillie. But those kinds of details aren’t important. I’m pretty sure Detroit and New Jersey haven’t been hampered by bankruptcy and ownership changes in the last 20 years. And New Jersey got their new arena without the threat of moving to Kansas City. Are you forgetting that too? Mario faced challenges, but he’s also tried to wash his hands of them.

[quote comment=”351720″]Finally, Teebz, you are NOT a Pens fan, I’ve exposed you as a fraud. Your arguments are growing weaker and weaker…….[/quote]

I’ve been exposed? My sides are sore from all the laughing I’m doing. Gusto, you have nothing.[/quote]

If this were a fight, I would have knocked you out in the first round, this is sooo easy. I’ve been reading your posts for some time, and it’s obvious you hate Pittsburgh teams.

* Have no idea what your point is on Lawton and Murphy, two busts as number one picks. Just goes to prove nothing is for certain, even gifted players can miss. Nothing is for certain, and all teams go thru losing periods. Detroit fans recall the two decades of losing, and they know, for all their tradition, it took them several decades to win another Cup
* You became confused again and thought I said the Pens were better than the Oilers and Isles. Same mistake you made with the Bruins. Although the Pens are close in accomplishments, I never have said they were superior. This may change in the next few years, however. Again, you’ve failed
to understand my key point-for the Pens to be within two Cups of the Bruins after giving away roughly 44 years is important. So is that fact their within one cup of the Rangers and have tied Chicago.
* The fact remains, only seven franchises in the NHL have won more Cups, and five of those were Original Six teams. There’s no doubt the Pens have earned the right to be called one of the upper tier franchises in the NHL. Certainly, not yet at the level of a Montreal/Detroit/Toronto, but more Cups should be returning to Pittsburgh over the next dozen years.
* Wow, great point on the LA Kings, we’ve seen countless young teams with talent fail to deliver over the history of the NHL. It takes a helluva lot more than talent to become a champion. To compare the franchise accomplishments of teams like the Kings,Blues,Canucks,Capitals,Flames,and Sabres etc. to the Pens is identical to comparing a Yugo to a Corvette.
* Your dumbest point was trying to separate players from teams when discussing franchise accomplishments. Yea, that wasn’t Mario destroying Chicago in the 1992 SCF! And you really lost me when comparing Mario to other hall of famers. Gretzky is number one, although it would have been interesting to see Mario’s numbers without his health problems. Putting that aside, #66 has universally ranked as one of the top few players to lace up a skate, and rated ahead of the other players you mentioned, including Messier.
* You seem to have a slippery grip on reality. Mario actually saved the Pens franchise THREE times. The proposed sale to Jim Balislle was so the Pens would stay in Pittsburgh once the arena was approved. If the arena talks had died, then yes, Ballislle would have been free to relocate the team. Because Mario is now a Pittsburgher, he has admitted the Kansas City talk was not serious, but they had to jolt
the discussion so the right solution could be found. In this case, everyone did win, and the Pens are one of the hottest franchises in all of sports.
Obviously, Teebz your knowledge of the Pens is so warped, no amount of truth and logic will set you free. You don’t even know Pittsburgh has an impressive hockey tradition, dating back to the 1900s. They had one of the first pro leagues in the USA at that time.
I’m more than willing to drop this discussion, you’ve been mauled, and everyone knows it. Of course, over the next decade or so, and the Pens continue to win Cups, you’ll still be bitter that your favorite team isn’t(the Rangers?) To borrow a line from Mike Lange, ” you’ve been beaten like a red headed stepchild “

[quote comment=”351720″][quote comment=”351701″][quote comment=”351686″]
Yep, it’s too bad people that disagree with me can’t respond with any. I recall there were some people in the 1990s who were critical of the New Jersey Devils style of hockey, and did not give them the proper respect for their success. Since I do follow the sport, I knew the Devils were simply playing within the rules and richly earned
their Cups. Unfortunately there are a small number of fans who don’t show respect and dream up excuses like conspiracy and luck when their teams lose. It’s sad, but true.[/quote]

The Devils style of hockey was successful. There’s no question about it. They earned their Cups by playing their system perfectly.

However, this conspiracy crap was now only brought up by you. No one is faulting Pittsburgh for winning last season.

I’m faulting you for overcrediting the Penguins’ accomplishments in the last year as if they saved the world. They haven’t done squat in the annals of the NHL except win three times.[/quote]

So much misinformation so little time, well, let’s start at the beginning:

* I never overcredited the Pens accomplishments, just shed light on them. Never did I say the Pens have matched the accomplishments of the Bruins-yet. And yes, the Pens have contributed a little more than three Cups to the NHL. Some of the greats of the game, including a certain #66 have worn a Pens jersey. And this just in, #87, and #71 are on there way to becoming hall of famers. Even with the bad ownership and losing teams of the past, the Pens have a richer tradition than the vast majority of NHL clubs.

* It’s very significant that Pittsburgh is closing in on the Rangers and Boston in Cup wins, especially when those franchises had a head start of several decades. I don’t know what part of that you still don’t understand. While Chicago also has three Cups, one of those were won with a losing record, something that would never happen today. Pittsburgh has definitely surpassed Chicago as a superior franchise, the way Mario was a better player than Bobby Hull. Ever hear of Jagr? Unbelievable.

* Your explanation was lacking when talking about the Original Six era. Who cares if the Habs, Leafs and Wings were tough competition? With roughly a 40 year head start, it’s still surprising that the Rangers, Bruins, and Black Hawks didn’t win more Cups.

* Loved how you said you didn’t put down the Pens title run last season, and then suggested they somehow caught a break when San Jose and Boston
lost. Neither of those teams was clearly as good as Detroit, and the Wings failed to hold a 3-2 lead at home, not even when Crosby was lost for much of Game 7. Clearly, the Pens earned their title.

* You also whiffed on your Oilers/Isles comparison, because the Original Six teams still had decades more time to earn Cups, and they did not.

* Number one picks are not locks to become great players, just ask Brian Lawton and Joe Murphy. If picking high in the draft was such luck, why are the LA Kings not contenders?

* Comparing the Pens situation when Mario took over to the losing situations in Detroit and New Jersey is like comparing fish to cattle. It was a little more than bringing in good people, it was a job just to keep the franchise in town. Ever hear of the new arena opening next year? Without leadership of ownership, none of the current and future success is possible. In all of sports, there has been very few ownership groups facing the challenges Mario and company handled.

* Hey Tom V., the only reason I dumped on Cleveland’s 46 year streak, was because someone just like you piled on the Pirates 17 year streak. What goes around comes around.

Finally, Teebz, you are NOT a Pens fan, I’ve exposed you as a fraud. Your arguments are growing weaker and weaker…….[/quote]

Absolutely and 100% wrong in your response to me, I said NOTHING of the sort. The post that day was the one about the old coliseum outside Cleveland. You took offense that the column was for the most part devoted to a Cleveland team, and started in with your drivel about how, like Teebz said, Pittsburgh apparently is the center of the sports universe.

[quote comment=”351738″]
If this were a fight, I would have knocked you out in the first round, this is sooo easy. I’ve been reading your posts for some time, and it’s obvious you hate Pittsburgh teams.[/quote]

Here we go again.

Yeah, I hate Pittsburgh teams. I haven’t once mentioned any other Pittsburgh team, but I hate them all. The four Penguins jerseys I have also agree with you. All the Penguins merchandise I have agrees with you. You’re completely right.

[quote comment=”351738″]* Have no idea what your point is on Lawton and Murphy, two busts as number one picks. Just goes to prove nothing is for certain, even gifted players can miss. Nothing is for certain, and all teams go thru losing periods. Detroit fans recall the two decades of losing, and they know, for all their tradition, it took them several decades to win another Cup[/quote]

By your definition, they are “busts”. Yet it’s funny that Joe Murphy has more Stanley Cups to his name than Marcel Dionne, Mats Sundin, Pavel Bure, Michel Goulet, Jeremy Roenick, and Eric Lindros have combined. But he was a bust.

However, let’s put this in a Pittsburgh context. Here are the first overall picks they made since they broke into the league up to 1990.

1967: Steve Rexe, 2nd overall.
1968: Garry Swain, 4th overall.
1969: traded to 4th overall to Boston.
1970: Greg Polis, 7th overall.
1971: traded 4th overall to St. Louis.
1972: traded 4th overall to Minnesota.
1973: Blaine Stoughton, 7th overall.
1974: Pierre Larouche, 8th overall.
1975: Gordon Laxton, 13th overall.
1976: Blair Chapman, 2nd overall.
1977: traded 12th overall to Toronto.
1978: traded 6th overall to Philadelphia.
1979: traded 10th overall to Washington.
1980: Mike Bullard, 9th overall.
1981: traded 7th overall to Montreal.
1982: Rich Sutter, 10th overall.
1983: traded 1st overall to Minnesota; Bob Errey, 15th overall.
1984: Mario Lemieux, 1st overall; Doug Bodger, 9th overall; Roger Belanger, 16th overall.
1985: Craig Simpson, 2nd overall.
1986: Zarley Zalapski, 4th overall.
1987: Chris Joseph, 5th overall.
1988: Darrin Shannon, 4th overall.
1989: Jamie Heward, 16th overall.

Now, how many of those guys were busts? Because the only guy I see that did anything while with the Penguins was that Lemieux guy. Could that explain those 24 years with no Stanley Cups?

[quote comment=”351738″]* You became confused again and thought I said the Pens were better than the Oilers and Isles. Same mistake you made with the Bruins. Although the Pens are close in accomplishments, I never have said they were superior. This may change in the next few years, however.[/quote]

You have done nothing but make this claim the entire time. Pittsburgh is better than Chicago, Boston, and the NY Rangers because they have won three Cups in 42 years compared to the low number of Cups each of those teams have won in 83 years. That’s all you’ve been saying. I dare you to refute that statement.

And you claimed the Penguins were better than the Islanders and Oilers because they aren’t Cup contenders, and I have proven you wrong there again. It doesn’t matter what if they are win this year. They have won more in less time. They are more successful by the definition of success according to how you framed it.

[quote comment=”351738″]Again, you’ve failed to understand my key point-for the Pens to be within two Cups of the Bruins after giving away roughly 44 years is important. So is that fact their within one cup of the Rangers and have tied Chicago.[/quote]

Either you can’t read, or you simply have no comprehension skills. BY YOUR DEFINITION, the Penguins are less successful than the Islanders, Oilers, and Devils. They won more Cups in less time. And since Boston has more, they are also more successful. That’s what winning is about: the more you do it, the more successful you are.

[quote comment=”351738″]* The fact remains, only seven franchises in the NHL have won more Cups, and five of those were Original Six teams. There’s no doubt the Pens have earned the right to be called one of the upper tier franchises in the NHL. Certainly, not yet at the level of a Montreal/Detroit/Toronto, but more Cups should be returning to Pittsburgh over the next dozen years.[/quote]

And now you’re an NHL expert? Are you willing to go to Vegas and put money on that bet?

Define “upper-tier”. Because the upper-tier for me is Montreal. No one else is even close. Toronto, Detroit, Edmonton, and NY Islanders are next. They had legitimate dynasties.

The Penguins? Not so much.

[quote comment=”351738″]* Wow, great point on the LA Kings, we’ve seen countless young teams with talent fail to deliver over the history of the NHL. It takes a helluva lot more than talent to become a champion. To compare the franchise accomplishments of teams like the Kings,Blues,Canucks,Capitals,Flames,and Sabres etc. to the Pens is identical to comparing a Yugo to a Corvette.[/quote]

You made the comparison, not me. I simply said that the Kings are in the same position that Pittsburgh was in 2007. That’s not a comparison. That’s the potential that they have. Are you sure English is your first language?

[quote comment=”351738″]* Your dumbest point was trying to separate players from teams when discussing franchise accomplishments. Yea, that wasn’t Mario destroying Chicago in the 1992 SCF![/quote]

Really? He won the Stanley Cup by himself? 22 vs. 1? Really? Because I’m almost certain there were other players on the ice. Almost.

[quote comment=”351738″]And you really lost me when comparing Mario to other hall of famers. Gretzky is number one, although it would have been interesting to see Mario’s numbers without his health problems.[/quote]

Oh, so now you want to play the “what if” game. I get it. What if Gordie Howe hadn’t played until he was 50? What if Gretzky wasn’t surrounded by talent?

What if you never mentioned that crap? His point totals are impressive, but he only won two Cups as a player. Messier has more, Gretzky has more, Richard has more, Claude Lemieux has more.

Individual stats are nice, but team goals are much more important. And since YOU started the team comparisons, individuals make no difference in this discussion. If you bring up individual stats again, it will only confirm your stupidity.

[quote comment=”351738″]Putting that aside, #66 has universally ranked as one of the top few players to lace up a skate, and rated ahead of the other players you mentioned, including Messier.[/quote]

Universally, eh? Who does the polling on Mars?

Look, Lemieux is still my favorite player (and you can try to tell me that’s a lie all you want, but don’t waste my oxygen doing it, ok?). But his quiet, reclusive demeanor is entirely different than Mark Messier’s demanding demeanor. Do you really think that Messier won five Stanley Cups because he wasn’t the one of the best leaders in NHL history? Really?

[quote comment=”351738″]* You seem to have a slippery grip on reality. Mario actually saved the Pens franchise THREE times.[/quote]

Stop me if you heard this one.

1984 – saves the Penguins from moving by putting fans in the seats.
2000 – saves the Penguins as bankruptcy court awards ownership in exchange for deferred monies he is owed.
2006 – saves the Penguins by arranging for new arena to be built.

I applaud him for saving the Penguins, but he did one out of three intentionally. But my grip on reality is the one that needs tightening. RIGHT.

[quote comment=”351738″]The proposed sale to Jim Balislle was so the Pens would stay in Pittsburgh once the arena was approved.[/quote]

Is that why he wanted to move them to Hamilton before the decision on the arena was made? Because that’s how it happened in reality.

[quote comment=”351738″]If the arena talks had died, then yes, Ballislle would have been free to relocate the team. Because Mario is now a Pittsburgher, he has admitted the Kansas City talk was not serious, but they had to jolt
the discussion so the right solution could be found. In this case, everyone did win[/quote]

Everyone except Kansas City. Thanks for dangling the carrot before yanking it away. I understand the tactics here, but that’s terrible business. And you cannot deny that. It’s the exact same thing that Balsillie has been doing with the Coyotes: give me what I want, or I’ll move the team.

[quote comment=”351738″]and the Pens are one of the hottest franchises in all of sports.[/quote]

So hot, in fact, that ESPN wants hockey back just to capitalize on the Crosby-Malkin craze! Spare me the crap. You and I both know that they are one of the hottest teams in hockey, but not in all of sports.

[quote comment=”351738″]Obviously, Teebz your knowledge of the Pens is so warped, no amount of truth and logic will set you free.[/quote]

Show me truth and logic, and set me free then. The only person who has done that in this conversation is me. You’ve argued in cricles, meandered with facts that had nothing to do with your original premise, and have taken swipes at me.

[quote comment=”351738″]You don’t even know Pittsburgh has an impressive hockey tradition, dating back to the 1900s. They had one of the first pro leagues in the USA at that time.[/quote]

Apparently you know me better than I thought. Because being that I know nothing about how Duquesne Gardens hosting its first hockey game in 1899, how the Western Pennsylvania Hockey League started in 1901, how the first US Hockey Team was formed in Pittsburgh in 1920, how the Pittsburgh Pirates joined the NHL in 1925, how the Pittsburgh Shamrocks joined the IHL in 1935, how the Pittsburgh Hornets joined the IHL in 1936, how the Hornets won their first AHL Calder Cup in 1952, how the Civic Arena opened in 1960, or how October 11 is the most important date in Pittsburgh hockey history… no, I don’t know the history. Care to elaborate?

[quote comment=”351738″]I’m more than willing to drop this discussion, you’ve been mauled, and everyone knows it.[/quote]

I dare you to ask openly about that sentiment. I double-dare you.

[quote comment=”351738″]Of course, over the next decade or so, and the Pens continue to win Cups, you’ll still be bitter that your favorite team isn’t(the Rangers?) To borrow a line from Mike Lange, “you’ve been beaten like a red headed stepchild”[/quote]

I’m glad you know your Mike Lange quips as well, moron. It’s “he beat him like a rented mule”. Mike Lange has never once used that stepchild line.

Yet I’m a Rangers fan. Funny how I’d know that Lange-ism, and you’d screw it up, oh wise and powerful founder of all things Penguins.

Sit down, shut your trap, school is in session.

Teebz

Gusto44

No one cares.

Give it up, get a life and if you are not going to discuss uniforms, get off this site. You both suck.

The beauty of Ted Williams’ swing.

Bed-time, all.

[quote comment=”351748″]Teebz

Gusto44

No one cares.

Give it up, get a life and if you are not going to discuss uniforms, get off this site. You both suck.[/quote]

While Teebz may be spirited in his debate, I can say that he does not “suck” and is a respected contributor to this site.

I