Sleeves In The NFL: A Thing of the Past Future

Great work guys.

Horvath from the Bucs needs to be stopped!

I had a feeling that you were going to be talking about striped compression shirts…

I think I agree with the entire post today.

The Guess the Game answer:

That’s 8/14/97 at County Stadium. Todd Greene is hitting a 3 run HR in he bottom of the 4th. Easy to get. Greene’s only game against Milwaukee as an Anaheim Angel. That team name plus the Brewers in the AL made it easy to track down.

Loved the Buffs Helmets, enjoyed the jerseys, the pants could have been improved. Found this helmet from 1998, the last time the team did something “throwback-ish/alternate” link
And yes, I was at that game.

[quote comment=”349057″]Loved the Buffs Helmets, enjoyed the jerseys, the pants could have been improved. Found this helmet from 1998, the last time the team did something “throwback-ish/alternate” link
And yes, I was at that game.[/quote]

Yup, don’t think yesterday’s particular silver helmet has been since the mid- to late-50’s, when Boyd Dowler (wearing #44) was in the Buffs’ single-wing backfield. And that’s a LONG time ago; Dowler went on to become the flanker for Lombardi’s Packers, with Max McGee or Carroll Dale (depending on the year) as the split end.

If you’re old enough, you can still hear Ray Scott on CBS, “To the left McGee, to the right Dowler…Starr…throws…Touchdown, Dowler.”

Scott was so beautifully minimalist.

—Ricko

Great job guys.

I also wouldn’t rule out the following solution. Under the basic premise of you have to “follow the money” and merchandise sales are a huge part of the money trail for the NFL, then they should take a cue from the NHL. I could be wrong by this, but what was I thought the large motivator for the NHL for getting rid of the Cooperall look of the early 1980’s – was that it looked horrible. The NFL should just impose design criteria, and indicate a jersey sleeve has to touch the lower arm, when bent at the elbow at 90 degree angle.

Also love the Colarado Buffalos retro helmet.

THIS, however, is NOT “beautifully minimalist”.
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Thanks (sorta) to JTH, who posted it late last night.

—Ricko

I think you guys are on a mission to make every NFL team look damn near the same.

Also, I thought that Notre Dame/Michigan State was pretty easy on the eyes. Normally I am not a fan of the white pants/white jersey look, but MSU seems to pull it off for some reason.

“I think you guys are on a mission to make every NFL team look damn near the same.”

Huh?

How could you POSSIBLY get that out of today’s post?

Today was entirely about details of jersey/sleeve construction, other for two concepts that crticized no one’s unis, just showed examples of how teams could mess around with striped comp sleeves…IF THEY CHOSE TO DO SO.

And everyone with virtually no sleeves doesn’t already look the same?

—Ricko

[quote comment=”349062″]”I think you guys are on a mission to make every NFL team look damn near the same.”

Huh?

How could you POSSIBLY get that out of today’s post?

Today was entirely about details of jersey/sleeve construction, other for two concepts that crticized no one’s unis, just showed examples of how teams could mess around with striped comp sleeves…IF THEY CHOSE TO DO SO.

And everyone with virtually no sleeves doesn’t already look the same?

—Ricko[/quote]

I was referring more to the collection of recent posts that convert any “newer” uniform style back to a traditional look.

I love all of the work you guys have done. I really appreciate the time spent on these uniform tweaks. Please don’t misread my post as hateful in anyway.

My point is just that I love the classic uniforms of the Bears and Packers and the like. I think having…lets say “interesting”…uniform designs is what makes me appreciate the classics that much more.

I like when designers try to be progressive in new uniform styles. Sometimes they swing and miss, but sometimes they hit a home run. The fact is that football uniforms are in a huge transition right now (Giants uniform cuts) and unfortunately we may not be able to hold on to the traditional looks.

I believe the sweatband manufacturer is SARNAC.

For the umpteenth time, we never said this was “Our Plan to Re-Design the NFL”.

We said that if we got at a shot at any of these unis, this is what we’d change.

Said many times, I don’t have problems with most teams, just that few of them really have mis-fired…and that some simply went maybe 15 percent too far with what they’re doing.

For example, I posted yesterday that the only problem I have with the Texans probably could be solved if someone should hang this photo–HUGE–everywhere in the team’s facility…
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LOL

–Ricko

[quote comment=”349063″][quote comment=”349062″]”I think you guys are on a mission to make every NFL team look damn near the same.”

Huh?

How could you POSSIBLY get that out of today’s post?

Today was entirely about details of jersey/sleeve construction, other for two concepts that crticized no one’s unis, just showed examples of how teams could mess around with striped comp sleeves…IF THEY CHOSE TO DO SO.

And everyone with virtually no sleeves doesn’t already look the same?

—Ricko[/quote]

I was referring more to the collection of recent posts that convert any “newer” uniform style back to a traditional look.

I love all of the work you guys have done. I really appreciate the time spent on these uniform tweaks. Please don’t misread my post as hateful in anyway.

My point is just that I love the classic uniforms of the Bears and Packers and the like. I think having…lets say “interesting”…uniform designs is what makes me appreciate the classics that much more.

I like when designers try to be progressive in new uniform styles. Sometimes they swing and miss, but sometimes they hit a home run. The fact is that football uniforms are in a huge transition right now (Giants uniform cuts) and unfortunately we may not be able to hold on to the traditional looks.[/quote]

My interpretation of what Ricko and Phil have done over the last few weeks is to say:

We prefer a more traditionalist look to NFL, here’s what each team that has adopted more modern striping pattern would look like, which ones do you like best? No way is it espousing that each team take that direction.

Question – other than very briefly the California Golden Seals – they may have just been the California Seals at that point – has any hockey team (minors and college included) adopted the spiral shoulder stripe?

I know what you gentleman were doing with this idea of stripes on the compression shirts and I like how you are trying to save sleeve stripes. Here’s the problem though: everyone else that cares about football wouldn’t get it. I only know this cause I showed this to my wife and she said, “Why would teams do that?” I like how on uniwatch we’re about saving certain looks, but I would have to see this actually out on the field before I would endorse this idea.

[quote comment=”349060″]THIS, however, is NOT “beautifully minimalist”.
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Thanks (sorta) to JTH, who posted it late last night.

—Ricko[/quote]
You’re welcome. Or maybe I owe you an apology.

the Oregon-Utah game… well, it hurt the eyes.

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yet another example of why having too many uni combos is bad.

[quote comment=”349067″]I know what you gentleman were doing with this idea of stripes on the compression shirts and I like how you are trying to save sleeve stripes. Here’s the problem though: everyone else that cares about football wouldn’t get it. I only know this cause I showed this to my wife and she said, “Why would teams do that?” I like how on uniwatch we’re about saving certain looks, but I would have to see this actually out on the field before I would endorse this idea.[/quote]

Get her a replica jersey for the 49ers, since those have the sleeve stripes intentionally cut off. She’ll see how stupid that looks and understand.

Nice work Jim. How you couldn’t put the throwback Buff’s higher is beyond me, but hey…at least they made the list. Those helmets are the bomb.

Well, it is a “top matchups” list, innit?

Frankly, I don’t think link deserved to make the top 5 — Maybe “honorable mention” just for the throwbacks or something.

That Wyoming uni is a major turd in the punchbowl (color scheme-related pun not intended). If they had played along and worn some throwbacks, we might have a top 5 contender.

Here is a shot of Boise State’s quarterback from the infamous Boise State-Oregon game.

Here is your square on the quarterback.
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It has to be a different material

Guys like this poor sap who wrote that “10 Worst” list are the reason we keep getting the sh** we’ve been getting from places like Denver, Minnesota, Atlanta, Arizona, Cincinnati, Tennessee, and Jacksonville. The last non-retro uniform update that substantially improved the team’s look was Tampa Bay.

Tonight…

Jerry Jones and his edifice complex.

—Ricko

I like the stripes on compression sleeves idea. But why oh why did Ricko need to mock up the Packers with the ‘G’ on the stripes? link

That uni-element takes me back to the craptacular Forrest Gregg heyday in the ’80s. link

Re: Duke vs. Kansas football uniform matchup

Have to disagree with the view that Duke vs. Kansas was a good uniform matchup. Duke’s helmets are fine, but there’s no need to copy the Indy Colts for the jersey and pants. Nothing wrong with a single blue stripe, for example.
Kansas is even worse, what is with this fascination with copying NFL teams? Why is KU trying to look like the Giants? The best Kansas uniforms always had a big Jayhawk on the helmet, the KU logo should be on the jersey instead.

If I was still playing pro football, I would have a difficult time wearing compression sleeves.
I think that teams should make all of the jerseys the same way (like most QB’s wear them). If a player wants to alter it, they will have to cut in half, or remove anything in their path. They will look ridiculous, as they do now, but that’s nothing new.
I’m more disgusted with the helmet trend. The helmet is the greatest aspect of a football uniform, and these new models are destroying that. Whatever that type is that most of BYU is wearing, could you imagine the Rams wrapping their horns around that?
Peyton Manning seems like a sweet kid. However, looking at his truncated stripes, his bulbous helmet, and his basketball hoop rebound attachment thingy of a facemask, he’s hard to love.
The compression shirts are a pretty good idea, but I think I would be uncomfortable.

How can the MSU/Notre Dame game not make (or arguably top) the best uni match-up list?!

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[quote comment=”349075″]I like the stripes on compression sleeves idea. But why oh why did Ricko need to mock up the Packers with the ‘G’ on the stripes? link

That uni-element takes me back to the craptacular Forrest Gregg heyday in the ’80s. link

Did the Packer “G” only to show that it wouldn’t have to be just stripes on the comp sleeves. Wanted to use something that at one time had been used, rather than invent something.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”349079″][quote comment=”349075″]I like the stripes on compression sleeves idea. But why oh why did Ricko need to mock up the Packers with the ‘G’ on the stripes? link

That uni-element takes me back to the craptacular Forrest Gregg heyday in the ’80s. link

Did the Packer “G” only to show that it wouldn’t have to be just stripes on the comp sleeves. Wanted to use something that at one time had been used, rather than invent something.

—Ricko[/quote]

Here’s the first version, before I thought maybe I should include a graphic on one of the mockups…
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—Ricko

Great concept and execution on today’s main theme. Couldn’t the new rule specify no skin displayed between the elbows and the neck?

Glad that the Buffs showed me up on my comment that the 1937 team could beat them — and that they looked so good so doing.

Those Oregon duds yesterday were unbelievable. I think that’s the first time I’ve seen a team wear mismatched helmet and pants where neither item was in a team color.

What the heck is this? (On front page of Si.com)

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“Why is KU trying to look like the Giants? The best Kansas uniforms always had a big Jayhawk on the helmet, the KU logo should be on the jersey instead.”

Not sure, but I think Kansas was wearing that look (with silver pants and all) before the Giants went back to their current retro unis.

So, yeah, maybe they did go to school a little on the Giants. But it was, at the time, the “vintage” Giants, not the current team.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”349082″]What the heck is this? (On front page of Si.com)

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A weekend for introducing concepts. That’s the revolutionary new Slip n’ Slide competition jersey.

[quote]I think you guys are on a mission to make every NFL team look damn near the same.[/quote]

if that’s your impression, then i guess we’ve failed…the thought line all along is to pick several teams who we think could use a tweak or three and show (rather than just simply say “buffalo’s uni is the worst in football”) what we would offer as suggestions as to what we might do to make it better; anyone complain — we attempted to suggest what we think might make it better

the goal is most certainly NOT to make every team look the “same” but rather to fight the urge most uni manufacturers have to “modernize for the sake of modernizing” — if just one team (take the broncos for example) has a “look” that’s fine and we didn’t criticize them for that … when MANY teams adopt that look, without any seeming rhyme or reason, well, we offer alternatives; you notice for 99% of the changes, all we did was add (or usually remove) what appear to us to be unnecessary changes…we didn’t change fonts, colors, logos, helmets, wordmarks at all…in essense, keeping current “identities” in tact

i don’t think saying monochrome leotards look bad or that teams should put stripes on their pants (not saying same stripes, colors patterns, just some kind of stripes) is trying to make all teams look the same

anyway, these are just opinions, and i (not speaking for ricko) have no problem if you disagree

if you would like to offer up any other suggestions, please do — would love to see what other ideas people have

“The compression shirts are a pretty good idea, but I think I would be uncomfortable.”

Most players were some sort of compression shirt virtually every day in practice, especially when it’s just shirts and shorts. It wouldn’t be anything new to them.

The first time you wear them, they do feel a little funny. After awhile you don’t even notice.

Plus, there are versions that keep you cool, and versions that keep you warm. That would allow a great deal of flexibility in use.

Not trying to persuade you, just letting you know I did think about such things first.

—Ricko

Great idea with these compression sleeves Ricko. A step closer in getting players back to wearinglink

[quote comment=”349084″][quote comment=”349082″]What the heck is this? (On front page of Si.com)
I noticed the same thing while watching the Oregon/Utah game….
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Here’s another shot with the darker fabric(?)visable in other areas of the jersey.
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A weekend for introducing concepts. That’s the revolutionary new Slip n’ Slide competition jersey.[/quote]

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Nice work Jim. How you couldn’t put the throwback Buff’s higher is beyond me, but hey…at least they made the list. Those helmets are the bomb.

Well, it is a “top matchups” list, innit?

Frankly, I don’t think link deserved to make the top 5 — Maybe “honorable mention” just for the throwbacks or something.

That Wyoming uni is a major turd in the punchbowl (color scheme-related pun not intended). If they had played along and worn some throwbacks, we might have a top 5 contender.[/quote]

Exactly, James, it’s a “matchup” list. Otherwise Florida Atlantic would be number one every week.

I threw in that game because Wyoming had their least offensive uni (I like the white helmet with white jersey, but not with the brown), and because of the throwbacks. Without them it’s nowhere near the top 5. I’m in the minority who think brown and yellow can work (with little margin for error), so I wanted to showcase them once against a good looking team.

Amazing Oregon hasn’t made dishonorable mention yet, huh? They were close, but Utah’s not that terrible-looking to me.

We can ignore the jackass who wrote “The 10 Worst NFL Uniforms”, one because it’s from last February and because of this statement, “It should be noted that the new black jersey is fantastic. Perhaps the Lions should look at adding a little more black highlights to compliment their blue.”

[quote comment=”349090″]We can ignore the jackass who wrote “The 10 Worst NFL Uniforms”, one because it’s from last February and because of this statement, “It should be noted that the new black jersey is fantastic. Perhaps the Lions should look at adding a little more black highlights to compliment their blue.”[/quote]

Oh, I dunno, dumb is kinda timeless, isn’t it?

The Benchies Sweatband Manufacturer is APEX.
I remember rocking a Marino jersey by them when I was about 6 years old.

Re: baddie worst uni matchup

Why is this the worst uni match-up? Neither UC’s or OSU’s unis are terrible and both together just aren’t that bad. There were much better choices…like Cal/Minnesota (terrible) or Utah/Oregon (horrific).

[quote comment=”349092″]The Benchies Sweatband Manufacturer is APEX.
I remember rocking a Marino jersey by them when I was about 6 years old.[/quote]

Nope, I vote Saranac.

That black stomach box is visible here too.

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[quote comment=”349095″]That black stomach box is visible here too.

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New Uniwatch term “BSB” Black Stomach Box…love it!

Falcons rockin’ the 1966 throwbacks today.

Maybe some of the misunderstanding here stems from the fact that many fans from, let’s say, the under age 30 bracket see truncated stripes & arches as “new design” or “evolutionary” whereas older fans see them as a desecration of old design or “half-assed.”

Personally I say if sleeves have disappeared then sleeve stripes should disappear also. So long, nice to have known ya. There will always be something classic about a 3/4-length Durene jersey with stripes (preferably a 49er one worn by Susan Saint James), but, you know, leather helmets are classic too…

MFTSOM=new uniwatch term. Modernize for the Sake of Modernization.

And I agree with the people that have said it over the last two weekends…it sure seems like you guys are trying to make every team in the league look basically the same.

Anyway…

You always say you give the Broncos a free pass because they were the first to try something new or whatever. Well, maybe the Bills are the first to try something newer than the Bronco…and the Titans something newer…and the same goes for all the other teams you chose. So that argument is kind of weak.

Think about the NHL. Do the Sabres get a free pass on their piece of crap uniforms just because they switched to the “new” look a year before everyone else? No, I doubt it. They get ripped on as much here as just about every other NHL team that went with the standard Reebok template.

I dunno, just my thoughts on the matter.

And while I do kind of like Ricko’s idea of the stripes on the compression shirts, then you have the whole problem of getting guys to wear those correctly.

I’ll throw my hat into the ring on this “making the entire NFL look the safe” business.

At some point in the last couple of weeks (maybe last weekend) you guys did a post where you basically took every team in the NFL that has some sort of “modern” design and removed those elements, maybe adding some more traditional striping along the way.

In my mind, that may not qualify as “making everybody the same” but it does seem kind of narrow-minded.

I think today’s post highlights exactly why these “modern” designs exist. The fact of the matter is, jersey style and technology has progressed past the point where some of these traditional designs are truly feasible. Now, I’m more than happy to have teams that have always worn these designs continue to do just for the sake of tradition, but if a team is going to redesign its uniforms then it really doesn’t make sense to have traditional sleeve stripes or shoulder loops or any of those things, because they just don’t fit on today’s jerseys.

See, the Colts and Jets doing what they’ve done with shoulder loops seems like a pretty good solution, and realistically the only solution. As much as I agree with you that it would be nice if they went all the way around, most players’ jerseys are not cut to make that a possibility. A few players still have jerseys that allow it, and then the manufacturers do it, but in the days of “less fabric” there just isn’t a viable way to make those loops go all the way around on most jerseys.

So what have teams done? They’ve come up with new, more “modern” designs. Some may be better than others, but I just don’t see how we’re ever going to go back to the days of having either sleeve stripes or shoulder loops on every team, because the jersey’s just don’t fit that mold.

Some of the ideas teams come up with are pretty neat, and some are less neat. Personally, I really like the Atlanta Falcons current uniforms. I think they work really well and are an excellent modern look. The Vikings not so much, both because things don’t seem to line up correctly, and it’s too much purple.

The equipment is changing, and newer designs serve themselves well to evolve with the equipment. I applaud designers for working on doing this. They may not always succeed, but hanging on to old design practices just because that’s how it’s always been done doesn’t make sense to me.

In summary, I think it’s time to start embracing some of these newer designs, and maybe try to come up with ways to make them better (while still being modern) instead of trying to make them fit classic jersey designs.

To be fair, today’s idea is an interesting one that tries to straddle the fence between classic in modern. Unfortunately, I think if these were actually produced it would look really weird to have a skin tight sleeve stripe start right below a shoulder pad that adds several inches of width/height to the player. Creative solution, just not sure it quite works. I think the current solution is still better.

Ok I know that I am going to be in the major minority on this one, especially around here where everything in 1980 looked better than 2009 (and please, I love uniwatch and usually agree, I’m not here to hate) but while Ricko’s solution is really ingenious, I think short sleves look WAY better on a football uniform than elbow length do. While I hope there is some way to get stripes onto the short sleeved jersey’s, I hope its not to extend the uniform down to the elbows, because it makes the whole jersey look out of proportion. The NFL is the only major sports league that looks better today than it did in the past (I’m talking about modern cuts for classic looks, not Vikings, Bengals, Jags, etc.), and I actually think the short sleeves are a big part of that. Just my two cents.

[quote comment=”349078″]How can the MSU/Notre Dame game not make (or arguably top) the best uni match-up list?!

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They were in contention, but I was looking for a little variety. Had Colorado not gone throwback on us, they might have been there. Plus, MSU was a little too plain with the all white and no stripes.

Why are Jets and Patriots not wearing the throwback jerseys? I thought every game between original AFL teams were going to wear throwbacks?

Raiders are @ Chiefs (frickin frick frick whenever the Rayduhz are on the road and the Niners are home we get no other 10am game frickin frick frick.)

Never seen this; AUDIBLE ZONE QUIET PLEASE was flashing on the side scoreboards. It’s so loud the Chiefs have called 2 TOs, Casell comes off the field, easy to read his lips, “I can’t hear what the F you’re saying!!!’

My personal opinion on this whole modern vs. classic debate:

The look of the 1970s and 80s is exactly that. The jerseys that NFL players wear today are not the same as they were back then, just as the jerseys that they wore in the 70s and 80s were not the same as they were back in the 20s, 50s, etc. Classic designs were great back in the day, but they just dont work on the modern uniforms.

Like a few other people have said, teams like the Colts and Jets have transformed their former “loops” or “arches” into the stripes that Manning and Sanchez wear today, and I personally think that is a very clean, pleasing look. If they do throwbacks, like the original eight AFL teams this year, sure, do what you can to replicate the look of the 60s, but in the case of Indianapolis, the modern jersey cuts just don’t work for the loops, and they come out looking forced and unnatural, the same thing that Phil has been trying to eliminate with these past few columns.

How many more times I gotta say that we NEVER SAID every last one of the changes should be made?

Hell, I LIKE the Rams, and the Titans, and the original Ravens, and the Patriots, and the Seahawks, and plenty of other newer unis basically just the way they are. Colleges, too (such as the Gophers the past two weeks; minus the two-tone, of course).

And I’ve said I think the neon green Seahawks jersey would be great fun on a gloomy, late-season Seattle Sunday.

But things like the Alouettes or the Bills are just bad, clunky, scheme-less design. Good design leads the eye where the designer wants it to go. Where does the eye go on the either of those unis? Everywhere and nowhere. If the designer doesn’t KNOW where they want the eye to go, then there’s no real design. Or no real designer.

And today’s post is based on the simple thought that, if sleeve stripes are important to the NFL, here’s a way to keep them…an idea that also offers some interesting new, radical design concepts of its own, if anyone bothered to think about it. What, no one here has ever seen the spider webs, etc., on downhill skiers, or the wild stuff speed skaters wear?

–Ricko

Great work guys.

I disagree that its bad for fans (who’d have to buy two garments). Unlike hockey or baseball, what the fans buy is pretty radically different than what the players wear on the field. Kickers aside, actual player jerseys hardly look like shirts. Look at some of the game-worn stuff on ebay – that’s now what the fans are buying.

This idea would let teams like the Packers and Bears keep their classic striped designs on the field and they can keep selling replicas with proper sleeves (and the same design as worn on the field) to fans. Its a win-win.

That idea is brilliant, Ricko. I want the sleeve stripes back, the players want the jersey sleeve to tuck under the pads. Put ’em on the compression shirt and we both get what we want.

I’m glad Forrest Gregg’s sleeve G was just a for-instance. I want Lombardi’s sleeve stripes back, especially the alternating green/gold on the road jersey.

Jerry Jones and his edifice complex.
Ha! Spot-on. Most guys his age, with his apparent issue, just pop a blue pill.

Great ideas, guys! And an interesting old vs. new discussion going on here today.

I tend to like the older style, mostly because of this: the uniforms looked fine until the major sports manufacturers, in their quest to sell more expensive uniforms, justify them by adding all these goofy “performance enhancing” claims. C’mon, these players who say they’re so tough shouldn’t be worrying, “Oh no, my moisture’s not wicking away from me! Someone design me a better uniform!” If so many teams want to look tough by wearing black, how about looking tough by wearing a simple, regular-cut jersey? If you’re good enough, it doesn’t matter what you wear.

Now that DOESN’T mean I’m against all new designs. Some people are shocked when I say the UFL unis have redeeming qualities. I don’t want a cookie-cutter league, but I wouldn’t mind seeing those unis added to the roster of available designs.

All I’m saying is, quit goofing around with the cut and the fabric of the jersey. Mess around with the colors, stripes, logos, fonts, etc. if you like.

I guess this means I feel today’s tweaks mask the problem instead of solving it, but I’m a realist. I doubt the uni-maufacturers are going to listen to me, so let the players look better in spite of them. Good work, Ricko and Phil.

Meanwhile, all is well in the world as the Rams are wearing gold pants with their blue jerseys.

Phil, Rick, et al. – great work as usual. I guess the next step is to convince the NFL that they have a problem.

Wouldn’t a singular Washington athlete be a “Husky” – just as a singular Colorado baseball player should be a “Rocky” ? Considering Washington plays at Husky Stadium. Just sayin’.

[quote comment=”349074″]“Tonight…

“Jerry Jones and his edifice complex.

“—Ricko”[/quote]

Haven’t said this in a while…

DAMN IT, RICKO! That was funny!

[quote comment=”349082″]What the heck is this? (On front page of Si.com)

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Surprised no one’s made this connection yet: link

See, here’s a case of a newer look that I kinda like: link

Maybe it’s because the yellow doesn’t leap out at you when mixed with the white. Now if it were a different set of colors, I may not like that same look.

I don’t know about the other guys who like the older designs, but you can’t fit me neatly into the old vs. new argument. The good old days weren’t always good, and tomorrow’s not always as bad as it seems, to paraphrase Mr. Joel.

Some designs were better left in the past. Some should never change. Some new looks fit in, and I’m sure there are designs to come that will impress me. There’s room for all of them.

To me it’s not old vs. new, it’s good vs. bad.

[quote comment=”349100″]I’ll throw my hat into the ring on this “making the entire NFL look the safe” business.