by Phil Hecken, and UW Design Expert, Paul Soto
Well. “Pretty Boy” Paulie Soto is back with a fresh batch of incredible stuff. And I do mean incredible. If MLB ever needed some design changes to the alternates, or some fresh new looks, the designs that follow would be a good start. If you don’t remember Paul’s earlier work, you can look here and here, where I had commissioned Paul to create “fauxbacks” and some “home/road flips.” Truly amazing stuff. I asked Paul to continue with his efforts at reinventing MLB uniforms, this time by creating alternate and new uniforms, some entirely new, and some with some tweaks. He didn’t disappoint. The new uniforms are fresh, the alternates are mostly spot-on, and the tweaks are outstanding.
Now, personally, I hate alternates. However, given that most MLB teams feel the need to have at least one, sometimes two, and even three alternate jerseys, we may as well make sure they’re better than the current crop. I tasked Paul with designing some new and better alternates and to adjust the current unis as he saw fit, and to take us through each team he addressed . I’ll add a paragraph following each set of some of my own thoughts to these spectacular creations. So, without further ado, let’s have a look-see.
Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim: Paul really likes the Angels current uniform, and especially, he “digs the numerals!” But there’s too many teams that wear Red/Blue. So why not give them a color combo that isn’t in use in the MLB … maroon and gold. Since they want to be associated with LA now, Paul figured they can don the colors of USC. Without an NFL team, the Trojans are the next best thing. Here’s what Paulie created for the road uniform.
I LOVE this new uniform set. The Angels have been through several different uniforms in their 40+ years, but they’ve never had maroon and gold. Paul has hit one out of the park with this effort. The Angels would do well to consider this next time they decide to redo their uniforms.
Toronto Blue Jays: Paul asks, “Why do the BLUE Jays wear Black?! … F***! marketing!” He wants the Jays to ditch their disastrous duds and switch back to their old typeface and awesome logos … and is wearing some kind of blue in your unis too much to ask? He combined their first Blue Jay head logo with updated version we saw in the late 90’s.
Another new uniform set. And with the Blue Jays’ current duds, it’s hard to argue that this isn’t much better. While I personally was never a huge fan of their old unis and fontface, it WAS the Blue Jays. They should dump the current set ASAP and do something like this.
Atlanta Braves: Paul digs their navy alternates, they’re much easier on the eyes than the red jerseys. But what bugs him is the navy numbers on the back. Paul thinks all they need to do is just add some red and look how much better that is!
I must admit I am not a fan, at all, of the current Braves alternates, either their blue or their godawful red. Paul has certainly made the blue alt look different. It’s a great effort, but I still don’t like it. But that’s just me.
Chicago Cubs: Paul states that this is one of the finest uniforms in the league. He’s just not a big fan of the “walking bear” sleeve patch, and suggests they switch back to a fan favorite … the “angry bear” head. It speaks volumes on the current state of Cubdom. Wrigley field also has a pretty cool logo that is rarely seen. Why not throw it on the home jerseys like the White Sox did for some time? Paul took that minor tweaking and added it to their alternates, and also provided some pizazz to their bland road uni.
I have to agree that the current Cubs home uniform is one of the finest in the land, so a minor tweak or two like Paulie has provided is really all that’s needed. I love that really cool Wrigley logo — what an interesting twist, especially for the blue alts. It’s tough to improve on the classic pinstripe whites, but that blue alt can certainly do with a change.
Arizona Diamondbacks: Paul thinks “D-Backs” shouldn’t be on a home jersey, and I agree. He feels it looks odd to begin with but if they must do it, they should keep it on an alternate. Their home jersey looks a little more legit with their primary “A” logo on the left chest.
Let’s face it … this is one of the worst uniform sets in all of baseball (take a look back at some of the tweaks Paul came up with for the D-Backs in his earlier features). There’s not much of a way to improve this uni, but I think Paul has actually done just that with these. Tough (but not impossible) to polish a turd — which is what Arizona’s uniforms currently are. I was never a fan of the purple and teal, but at least that didn’t have the abbreviated “D-Backs” on their homes. The black alt Paulie suggests keeps the “D-Backs” in tact, but keeps it off the home whites. Good stuff!
San Francisco Giants: Mr. Soto loves script on a jersey! So he came up with this (which he says used to appear on their dugout jackets): Much better! … He asks, “Why’d they stop using it in the first place?”
When you have a word (actually, two words) this long, it’s tough to make it look good on a jersey. Script is equally difficult to pull off. I think Paul’s done both with this nifty away jersey. The Giants would do well to investigate the possibility of making this their new road uniform. Wonderful job.
Seattle Mariners: The Mariners wear a different number typeface, on their alternate, from their other jerseys. The typeface doesn’t bother Paul one bit … but what does bother him is the inconsistency. So, he’s added the typeface to the road and alternate jerseys. He thinks the standard block typeface can get tiresome. Anticipating your reaction, Paul notes, “Yes I am aware that is an incorrect apostrophe (on the “alternate cap”) but I’m trying to stay accurate to their old logo.”
The original Mariners jersey set was probably my favorite, but I realize they’re never going back to that, other than when they “throwback.” That being said, I like the new typeface and it is definitely more of a Safeco than a Kingdome font. I like how Paul has “standardized” this typeface throughout. Again, I could do without the blue alternate, but since that’s never going to happen, what Paul has come up with is preferable to what they currently have. I don’t mind the apostrophe on the alt cap — at least it’s not a “single open quote” like the Orioles use.
New York Mets: This gives “BLACK OUT” a new meaning. Paul would LOVE to see Mr. Met on the sleeves, and I have to admit, he’s done Mr. Met proud. Paul states the old team mascots have been making a comeback in the MLB, so why not give Mr. Met his due and get him on the jersey!
Wow. Paul did something I think most Mets fans can only dream of — removing ALL black from the uniform set. The pins with Mr. Met is fantastic (although I would settle for the current style with the black removed) and the ‘snow whites’ without the black drop shadow is something we haven’t seen since they first introduced the ice cream man! As far as the blue alternate, I’m not a fan … BUT … they have worn one before and if it means getting RID of the current black alternate, then BRING IT ON! Another great job Paul! Hey Mr. Wilpon — can ya, you know, think about this instead of the black jerseys and the Domino’s Pizza patch?
Florida Marlins (soon to be Miami Marlins): Paul’s on an anti-black crusade, and I love it. I’ll let him speak to this amazing creation: “Ok many of you may not agree with this color change but you have to agree that the black has to go! Black just doesn’t say ‘South Beach.'” (Check out the “Miami” road uni!) “I like it when teams in the same city share the same colors … I’m not sure if the Heat would look right in teal and orange though. I realized that it takes a lot of work to design a whole new logo and typeface for a team (as you can see by my prototypes). I wasn’t satisfied with my cap logos so I modified their current logos to fit the new color scheme.”
Another WOW! Double WOW! Seriously, this is something the (soon to be) Miami Marlins strongly need to consider when they move into their new ballpark. My god, Paulie has REALLY gone deep with this whole new uniform set. This is fantastic! What better way to christen a new stadium than to break out new uniforms, especially when your current set is not all that great. How awesome would it be if they did something like this? I’ll tell you. REALLY AWESOME. The colors are great, the fontface is superb and the style is modern without being too contemporary. Perfect!
Washington Nationals: Paul feels “The Nationals on field product is mediocre at best … but you gotta admit they look sharp.” That changed when we were introduced to their “Patriotic” alternates. They reminded Paul of this guy. But if you must rock the stars and stripes, Paul thinks this looks a little more tasteful. No?
Yes! Another team who’s finally beginning to get it right (see Paul Lukas’s forthcoming MLB preview column on ESPN if you haven’t yet seen what the Nats have done with their uni set — especially their new roads), the Nats also introduced the garish blue alt. Ugh. Paul Soto’s cleaned that up, and done a nice job of it. This is one alt that needs to go the way of the horse and buggy. Unfortunately, they will be wearing it this year. Too bad they can’t tweak it just a little, like Paul has done here.
Baltimore Orioles: Paulie thinks it’s great to see “Baltimore” on their road jerseys. Why not give it an alternate jersey and cap? Just an experiment. Now Paul knows their Maryland flag patch has been well received (and he does like it) but thinks the old Cartoon bird would like to get some exposure.
Not only did Paul do a bang-up job on this uniform set, he got rid of the incorrect “O`s” cap they’re donning this season. Well done, sir. The “Baltimore” on the black jersey is a nice touch. The Orioles have done a great job with their new uniform set for this year, and Paul’s tweaks make it even better.
San Diego Padres: Paul liked their previous “Padres” wordmark, and thought it would look much better on their new unis. He says, “Who doesn’t love the swinging Padre?! Let this guy go full time on the jerseys!”
Who doesn’t love the swinging padre indeed! Nice tweaks, Paul. All we need to do is work on removing the sand from the cracks.
Texas Rangers: Paul totally agrees with Mr. Lukas’s critique of the Rangers new duds. The number typeface looks like the old typeface with warts. Mr. Soto wanted to give it more of an appropriate Western feel. Paul also wanted to return the team name to the jersey. “I hope you guys liked the way this turned out as much as I did.”
Well, I certainly do, Paul, I certainly do. Getting “Rangers” back on the jersey is a step in the right direction, and that funky ‘western’ font is intriguing. What a great tweak. It just goes to show you how much a slight alteration can go a loooooooonnnng way! Great job, again.
Detroit Tigers: Now Paul wouldn’t change anything on their uniforms but if he had to he would switch the cap logo and give them an alternate. They have such awesome logos why not put them to use. “I’m not saying it MUST be done but wouldn’t it look nice?”
I have to agree with Paulie here, there is no need for an alternate with the Tigers. But, man, if they did have one (or two), these aren’t bad.
Minnesota Twins: With the Twins THANKFULLY moving out of the Metrodome and into a shiny new outdoor stadium, Paul had the idea of giving the Twins a classy old school look. Gone are the grey pinstripes.
Another “wow” Paul. Me likey! The Twins will need new unis when they head into the great outdoors, and these would be a fantastic uniform set. I especially like what he did with removing the pins from the roads. They never looked good.
Well, there you have it. Fantastic job with these Paul! I may not agree with everything you’ve done (mainly because I don’t think MLB teams need alternates). However, this was another outstanding batch of possible new uniforms for the current teams. All of Major League Baseball, from the executives down to the equipment managers, would do well to take a long, hard look at these and offer them up to Majestic the next time they consider any changes to their uniforms. Thank you so much Mr. Soto for your time and energy in bringing this fine set of alternates and new looks to Uni Watch! Great, great stuff.
Paul Soto will be back for Cinco de Mayo, when he’ll be offering some new designs and takes on the “Los Uniforms” MLB continues to promote. Until then, thanks again Paul! You da man.
Uni Watch News Ticker: Uni Watch Prexy Paul Lukas checks in with this look at the Southern Alabama Jaguars, who will wear throwbacks in their Tuesday game against Auburn … Northwest UW correspondent Jeremy Brahm informs us The Softbank Hawks have just added another sponsor to their uniform, but it is a Softbank company, Softbank Mobile. Softbank Mobile has had a company with a family called the Whites, and “the father is actually a dog. Well, on the Hawks home uniform there is a picture of a dog. (Here’s the road uniform). At least they had the background colors match.” … Travis McGuire noticed that many of the Oregon Ducks are wearing high stirrups. Perhaps there is hope after all. (Note: photos are in a photos tab above the headline) … Seen late in Sunday night’s comments and also sent from Doug Keklak, the Pens are ditching the powder blues, which is a travesty, but their record speaks while wearing them — not usually good … Neil Parsley was at the Blue Jackets – Blues game Sunday night and noticed that Chris Mason, the Blues’ goaltender, was wearing different socks than the rest of the Blues. You can compare Mason’s socks to the defensemen in the background. They actually look like the socks the Blues wore from the late 90s till 2008 … Nicholas Kowalski has been busy in the Life archives, and notes, “if you saw these and the related pics from the LIFE archive — The huddle pics are like a Twilight Zone still or something.” … Chris Smith delights us with these wonderful soccer socks — and the very special reason they were being worn … Nice spot by Larry Bodnovich who spotted this MSU kicker wearing shorts, no facemask, no faceguard and his number is 00 — “Pretty comical in my opinion.” … Ryan Goldstein remarked about the first game at Citi Field, Georgetown against St. John’s over the weekend, with 22,000 or so in attendance. “A player in one of my classes said they are used to about 20 people coming to home games…what a difference!” … Terry Paffenroth has a question for the board: “I’m a Packer fan and am now again living in Wisconsin and I have never seen this photo until today and have never read anything that has ever hinted to this. Might you or someone you know be able to put a story to the photo?” … also from Terry, this great photo of some youth footballers from 1939 … the aforementioned Doug Keklak has added some more submissions — “What’s better than sexy girls in short shorts? Those same sexy girls wearing stirrups! These are the ballgirls the University of Washington employed.” … Also from Doug, “Upon further review, I think it’s a piece of caution tape, rather than the nameplate I thought it was at first, but still, I have never seen the QB designated as such to keep contact off him in practice (apparently a red jersey or vest wasn’t available!) That’s a Pitt QB, as back in the day, their training camp was held in Johnstown at the University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown.” … Douggie concludes his ticker contributions with this: “Some cool vertical striped socks from my alma mater, Johnstown High, playing at game at none other than the home of Slap Shot, the War Memorial.” (All these photos are from the Johnstown Tribune Democrat at various times during 1971) … And rounding out the ticker, Jim McCue weighs in with this: “As a Pepperdine alumnus (B.A., Telecommunications, 1991), I always follow the school’s athletics programs on the website. I was aware of the school’s football program back in the 40s -50s, and the Sports Information Dept. is finally putting up information about the program’s history, including a photo gallery. I went through the photos and was happy to see that my alma mater wore some classic unis and had some unique posed photos. I especially like some of the unusual ‘team photos.’ Rather than the standard rows of players, they are somewhat scattered in groups with the coaches in a group near the front. I also like the team portrait with the coaches up front with a chalkboard. Maybe the next NFL team in the LA area should be based in Malibu rather than the City of Industry or elsewhere. “
Attention mash-up logo creators: listening to the Steve Czaben Show this morning on the way into work and they were talking about a fantasy baseball draft that their producer took place in.
He drafted a team exclusively of Orioles and Nationals players so it would be easy for him to root for those players (it’s a national show, but based out of the Balto/DC area).
(I won’t go into what a disaster that will be for his squad, being that I’m probably one of the worst avid fantasy sports players around!)
They were taking text message suggestions for a team name and really liked “Natty Borioles”. Czabe was asking for folks to make a logo which would be a mashup of the O’s and Nats logos and send them to him at link
Just thought I’d pass it along to those of you who might be inclined to such artistic endeavors.
I love the treatments for Florida (Miami), the LAAs of A and the Twins. I guess I was hoping for more color overhauls for teams like the Astros, Padres and D-Backs. Y’know, teams that have lost their way, color-wise, over the years. Great contribution!
BTW, Phil you have San Francisco spelled wrong in the heading for the Giants.
[quote]Phil you have San Francisco spelled wrong in the heading for the Giants.[/quote]
D’OH! (fixed, thanks)
There may only have been about 22,000 at Corporate Sponsorship Stadium for the St John’s game but all of the tickets sold. My niece, who goes to St. John’s sold her $5 ticket on Craigslist for $100, presumably a future collector’s item.
[quote comment=”320412″]There may only have been about 22,000 at Corporate Sponsorship Stadium for the St John’s game but all of the tickets sold. My niece, who goes to St. John’s sold her $5 ticket on Craigslist for $100, presumably a future collector’s item.[/quote]
When there are only a few dozen or a few hundred of something, THAT’S a collector’s item; when there are 42,000 of something, that’s not a collector’s item.
That photo of one V. Lombardi of Green Bay with a couple dozen women draped in fur is from the early 1960’s … seems the Packer organization bought furs as gifts for all the wives of the Packers. The pic is in David Maraniss’ excellent biography of Lombardi.
Hey, it gets cold up there. Fur is needed.
I like all of the uniforms to varying degrees except for the Rangers and Twins. The font just doesn’t seem right on those, and there are too many lines on the Twins road jersey. I guess the worst were saved for last. That Tigers alternate logo looks cool, though I know they would never use it, at least not on the front of a game jersey. The Marlins, Orioles, Angels, and Giants really stood out to me as great. Call me crazy, but I like my Mets when they wear black.
Another very well done job on the uni treatments. I really like the Marlins job and the revised Nationals alt cap.
The Marlins unis are GREAT.
The Padres are nice, minus the sand.
The Rangers font is awesome!
Great birthday present, Paulie!
“Chris Mason, the Blues’ goaltender, was wearing different socks than the rest of the Blues”
we covered this before… he’s wearing the old socks because of the old material (pre-rbk edge), so that his pads don’t slide around on his legs so much. and because of the whole rbk edge sweat thing…
[quote comment=”320414″]That photo of one V. Lombardi of Green Bay with a couple dozen women draped in fur is from the early 1960’s … seems the Packer organization bought furs as gifts for all the wives of the Packers. The pic is in David Maraniss’ excellent biography of Lombardi. Hey, it gets cold up there. Fur is needed.[/quote]
DW is correct. The dark-haired woman at right is Cherry Starr, the wife of QB Bart Starr.
could the MLB please hire “Pretty Boy”… his work is AWESOME and he totally gets it!
how ’bout doing something with that new pirates black alt??? or, just a whole new pirates alt? i’d love to see what you come up with paul!
really awesome stuff, keep up the great work!
Phil — Fair ponits on alternates. I like an alternate or MAYBE two, but, as with so many things, they have gotten out of hand. For example, there’s no reason to have two white alternates (e.g., a sleevless and regular).
As for the Mets — just go back to the pinstripes!
Anyway, sweet job on the Marlin’ unis. The Angels have good uniforms now, but the cardinal and golds look pretty good for anybody.
My favorites of the bunch are Toronto and San Diego. Seattle is solid, but it’s just a nice tweak, so it couldn’t “wow” me as much as Toronto and San Diego.
The Minnesota and Texas concept sets do not work for me at all. (But thank you for erasing Minnesota’s gray pins.)
The Miami/Florida jersey REALLY does not work for me. I like the Dolphins’ colors at work here (should match well with the OLD home), but the Marlins wordmark is comically dated. It makes me think of a 50’s Thunderbird or a vintage Frigidaire. (Then again, people in Florida are old, so job well done perhaps?) I think the M in the cap should be the inspiration. Since M stands for Miami and Marlins, either expand the font to include the rest of the letters, and make a radial arch, or use the curves of the cap M to produce a vertically-arched MIAMI and MARLINS wordmark.
As for the Angels, all they really need is a navy hat (with or without a red brim, definitely with a red top button). But back to the USC set, it looks good, but why not reach out to UCLA a bit? Maroon and light blue would look good together, and it would do the trick. (And just because I’m curious, I would love to see what a fused LA cap logo for the Angels would look like, given the current font. The Dodgers can pull it off; can the Angels?)
Lombardi gave the wives the furs after the Packers won their first NFL championship with him as coach – 1961 season.
Nice work, Paulie. I dig those old cartoon logos, too. So why relegate them the sleeves? They need to be seen big! Why not the chest of the alt jerseys?
[quote comment=”320415″]That Tigers alternate logo looks cool, though I know they would never use it, at least not on the front of a game jersey.[/quote]
Didn’t they wear that logo on their road caps (maybe only for one season — possibly not all games) about 10-15 years ago? I think the caps had orange brims, too.
Dunno, maybe it was just a BP cap that they wore in a game as a “slumpbuster” or something like that. At any rate, I seem to recall something like that being worn during the regular season.
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Interesting take on the Cubs unis. Seems like the things I dislike about them are the things you guys like, and vice-versa.
I kinda like the walking bear, and I’ve never liked the version of the sleeve patch you went with. To me, link is the one that needs to make a comeback.
Also, I’m really not crazy about the current primary logo. The blue circle outline is way too heavy. I’d much rather see them go to an updated version of link or link.
If you absolutely must have the circular outline, I’d go link with it.
Have to agree on Twins road. Lose all the piping. Twins have never been a “piping” team, except for a couple of ugly colored alternates a few years back, and their original roads were classic plain gray.
Maybe condense the font on the road work mark, too. Give it both more depth and weight.
Love the maroon and gold for Angels, but traditionally teams don’t opt for the colors of one local college over another when the market has more than one high-profile school (in this case, UCLA being the other). I always thought maroon and gold would be a decent choice for the Rockies, but I suppose their argument would be than it was silver than put Denver on the map, not gold.
And while black doesn’t seem right for Florida, there’s a helluva lot of black on a marlin. Frankly—and I know this doesn’t sit well with anyone—I liked their original bright teal with black accents. Was unique, distinctive and colorful, three things that used to be important to uniform designers.
Bottom line, though, these unis just wouldn’t work at all. Not enough black, and everyone knows black is essential for a team uni. A team can’t possibly by cool, updated or any good if it doesn’t wear black. Sheesh, haven’t we all realized that by now.
—Ricko
wouldn’t this patch look beautiful on the sleeve of the new pirates black alts?
link
[quote comment=\”320425\”][quote comment=\”320415\”]That Tigers alternate logo looks cool, though I know they would never use it, at least not on the front of a game jersey.[/quote]
Didn’t they wear that logo on their road caps (maybe only for one season — possibly not all games) about 10-15 years ago? I think the caps had orange brims, too.[/quote]
link, for three or four years, ending in 1997.
Phil,
Hate to be a stickler, but could you change the first line of the ticker to say “South Alabama” instead of Southern Alabama. The dad and the wife are alums, so I want to make sure it’s correct. However, I’ll be rooting for my alma mater in today’s throwback game. Let’s go Auburn!
[quote comment=”320413″]When there are only a few dozen or a few hundred of something, THAT’S a collector’s item; when there are 42,000 of something, that’s not a collector’s item.[/quote]
So basically you think that all tickets, programs, jerseys, and trading cards for that matter are not collectible – that makes a lot of sense. I think you’ll find the vast majority of your readers disagree.
Nice job on the unis Paulie!
The design of the Marlins jerseys are great, any chance you experiemented with the original teal the Marlins had over the “Dolphin teal”, I thought that set the Marlins apart and my only potential qualm with the design you have is I wonder between the two teams we’d be overloaded with those same colors? (granted that may just be a potential side effect to overcome with having the “same city, same colors” philosophy)
[quote comment=”320430″][quote comment=”320413″]When there are only a few dozen or a few hundred of something, THAT’S a collector’s item; when there are 42,000 of something, that’s not a collector’s item.[/quote]
So basically you think that all tickets, programs, jerseys, and trading cards for that matter are not collectible – that makes a lot of sense. I think you’ll find the vast majority of your readers disagree.[/quote]
You’re distorting what I said (and I suspect you know it). There’s a difference between a “collectible” — which can literally be ANYTHING, so long as someone wants to collect it — and a “collector’s item,” which is a specific term implying scarcity and value. Any baseball card is a collectible; a Mickey Mantle rookie card is a collector’s item.
Ricko- not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not about the Marlins black and teal, but i have to agree with you. and the only color miami teams share is orange. the dolphins and hurricanes use completely different shades of green, and of course the heat have black. the teal and black was original for baseball, and i kind of liked it.
[quote comment=”320430″][quote comment=”320413″]When there are only a few dozen or a few hundred of something, THAT’S a collector’s item; when there are 42,000 of something, that’s not a collector’s item.[/quote]
So basically you think that all tickets, programs, jerseys, and trading cards for that matter are not collectible – that makes a lot of sense. I think you’ll find the vast majority of your readers disagree.[/quote]
tickets, programs, jerseys, and trading cards are VERY collectible (in fact, i collect ticket stubs and jerseys)… but there is a big difference between “collectible” and being a “collector’s item”… i think that’s what was meant
No black in Miami Beach? This guy disagrees with you:
link
But, personally, I like your Marlins wordmark – it’s streamlined, like the fish. They wouldn’t do so badly with a type like the SF Giants wore in the ’70s either. I wonder if anyone remembers what colors the Single A Miami Marlins wore back in the ’80s, or in their previous incarnation in the ’60s.. it may have been something like your tweak, not sure.
Good enough effort on the unis — though, why no Astros? They are long overdue for something that befits their brand (something that marries retro-futuristic with classy … which is absolutely not the case right now).
My beefs: if you’re going to make a change, MAKE IT. There are inconsistencies in a couple of areas:
1) Baltimore — you can’t have one bird on the hat (that’s terrible BTW) and the old-school bird on the sleeve. It’s a design mishap.
2) Texas — great font on the chest, inconsistent font on the hat. Can’t do that, again, it’s a design mishap.
Modify some of those inconsistencies … reduce the point size on some of those pinstripes (way too thick) … open up the design to add creativity with the fonts (instead of almost all using various forms of “baseball” script) … give the ‘Stros and Brewers an update … and you’re onto something!
[quote comment=”320416″]Another very well done job on the uni treatments…[/quote]
[quote comment=”320420″]Could the MLB please hire “Pretty Boy”… his work is AWESOME and he totally gets it![/quote]
[quote comment=”320417”]Great birthday present, Paulie![/quote]
Amen, amen. Great stuff. Paulie: now football!
Outstanding entry.
The Marlins and Angels were my favorites, and I dig the “B” on the Orioles cap.
Texas represents and upgrade, but I have to disagree with the Twins. Basically all the Twinks need to do is lose the road pinstripes. The underscore on the “wins” to me is kind of like a negative space thing. It’s a nice touch. (Bring back the TC caps, though.)
Paul asked readers if they had ever sent uniform suggestions to teams and if they got any response. Did I miss the column or post that resulted?
The clubs would do well to either A) consider the above suggestions or B) put Mr. Soto on retainer.
Excellent uni updates paulie.
The san francisco script got me thinking. This is completely random but for some reason taht triggered a thought in my mind.
Has anyone ever seen a uni with a “SNOB” Script name on back?
[quote comment=”320436″]Good enough effort on the unis — though, why no Astros? They are long overdue for something that befits their brand (something that marries retro-futuristic with classy … which is absolutely not the case right now).[/quote]
This is the best uni the Astros have ever worn, and they should return to it, pronto.
link
And yes, include the star on the stirrup.
I would buy link today!!!
The David Maraniss biography of Lombardi “When Pride Still Mattered”, is one of the best bios I’ve ever read.
If you haven’t read it yet, do so.
[quote comment=”320435″]No black in Miami Beach? This guy disagrees with you:
link
But, personally, I like your Marlins wordmark – it’s streamlined, like the fish. They wouldn’t do so badly with a type like the SF Giants wore in the ’70s either. I wonder if anyone remembers what colors the Single A Miami Marlins wore back in the ’80s, or in their previous incarnation in the ’60s.. it may have been something like your tweak, not sure.[/quote]
The International League Miami Marlins of the ’50s (for whom Satchel Paige pitched briefly) wore royal and orange. And I didn’t mean to sound like I don’t like Paulie’s Marlins redesign. Actually, it’s probably my favorite of those shown here today. Was just saying the original bright teal was a good idea and they shouldn’t have run away from it.
—Ricko
[quote comment=”320440″]
This is the best uni the Astros have ever worn, and they should return to it, pronto.
link
FIFY
Just a guess, but I think the Angels went to red to contrast themselves from the blue of the Dodgers.
I think PBP did an Astros update, however if they were going to include a different alt, they should look at the Colt .45’s
Even though I cant stand southern cal, I love the idea of the color change for the Angels. The Miami uniforms are truly inspired. I also like the idea of Toronto going back to their roots. Great work. I hope MLB is looking at this stuff. Way too much black in too many uniforms. I’m looking forward to the next set.
With respect to the Marlins, the Angels is, by far, my favorite!
[quote comment=”320440″][quote comment=”320436″]Good enough effort on the unis — though, why no Astros? They are long overdue for something that befits their brand (something that marries retro-futuristic with classy … which is absolutely not the case right now).[/quote]
This is the best uni the Astros have ever worn, and they should return to it, pronto.
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And yes, include the star on the stirrup.[/quote]
What? A team wear a BRIGHT COLOR? Surely you jest.
They’d look like fairies.
Think macho, video game gritty commando.
Bright colors are so YESTERDAY.
(eye roll)
I was wondering if someone out there could help me. I’ve been searching online and cannot find any photos from the following games:
1. 1994 Denver Broncos at Buffalo Bills. I think this was a Monday Night game. The Broncos wore the road version of their 1963 jersey. The Bills wore their red helmet fauxbacks. I have video of the game from the Broncos’ season highlights but I’m looking for stills. Game not on the 75th Anniversary link.
2. 2005 Atlanta Braves at Milwaukee Brewers (dressed as Braves). I’m not positive of the year, but I think it was from ’05. Night game. Milwaukee wore their late fifties throwbacks and the concept was Braves vs. Braves. I saw mention on Wikipedia of it being done also in 2006 but again, no photos.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
The post today should go directly to the uniwatchblog Hall of Fame archives. Well done. I’ve read it three times.
I hope someone from the Marlins front office gets a hold of this.
Maybe
I’s a confirmed fact thatI’m crazy, but I can’t help but feel that the Nat’s link looks awfully similar to a 70’s era poly-pullover. Eww.Always cool to see prototypes and concepts. Some I like, some I don’t but that’s neither here nor there.
The one thing I was hoping for and don’t know why this isn’t a bigger pet peeve amongst the uniform community – why don’t the Mariners outline the numbers on the back of the jersey in white like the logo is outlined on the front? I like their colors but the roads always seem so drab and I figure this would be a way to make the numbers pop off the uniform better than they currently do.
I love the effort put into these, but I have to say that the Twins jerseys are awful. They need to go back to the old script in navy for the home whites. It actually looks pretty good with navy piping (no pins), but I’d be okay with navy pins, or even just a plain white jersey with the navy script. I have a mock-up I did a few years ago that I need to find.
For the roads, lose the piping and keep the current vertically arched MINNESOTA. Also, block numbers. No Boston-like fonts please.
I think LI Phil does an amazing job as the Uni Watch bench coach. In his short tenure, he has totally redefined the role. I love reading your work, Phil.
Good work, PB.
Waiting for the Brewers improvement – and it sure as heck better have link on it.
[quote comment=”320440″][quote comment=”320436″]Good enough effort on the unis — though, why no Astros? They are long overdue for something that befits their brand (something that marries retro-futuristic with classy … which is absolutely not the case right now).[/quote]
This is the best uni the Astros have ever worn, and they should return to it, pronto.
link
And yes, include the star on the stirrup.[/quote]
+1
I remember ONE game where the Astros used the shooting star throwback but I am unable to find a picture, but I would prefer the Astros use this again: link
Paul – Is there a site that has all of Paulie’s uni designs?
[quote comment=”320433″]Ricko- not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not about the Marlins black and teal, but i have to agree with you. and the only color miami teams share is orange. the dolphins and hurricanes use completely different shades of green, and of course the heat have black. the teal and black was original for baseball, and i kind of liked it.[/quote]
link works for me.
And I both loved and hated the original Marlins’ uni set.
Loved: the all-teal cap/teal pinstripes on the home unis.
Hated: the teal crown/black brim on the road caps. If they had reversed it and made the crown black with a teal brim, they’d have been on to something.
[quote comment=”320458″][quote comment=”320433″]Ricko- not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not about the Marlins black and teal, but i have to agree with you. and the only color miami teams share is orange. the dolphins and hurricanes use completely different shades of green, and of course the heat have black. the teal and black was original for baseball, and i kind of liked it.[/quote]
link works for me.
And I both loved and hated the original Marlins’ uni set.
Loved: the all-teal cap/teal pinstripes on the home unis.
Hated: the teal crown/black brim on the road caps. If they had reversed it and made the crown black with a teal brim, they’d have been on to something.[/quote]
I don’t mind the colors the Marlins have now. Perhaps the only thing I would change is move the teal to more of a blue than it is to make it look more like an actual marlin. (i.e. more like the color set the Carolina Panthers use) I’d even go so far as to say they should go with primarily black and using the blue and silver as the highlights. Dump the black pinstripes and change up the wordmark a bit and the jersey would look much better than it does now.
[quote comment=”320442″]The David Maraniss biography of Lombardi “When Pride Still Mattered”, is one of the best bios I’ve ever read.
If you haven’t read it yet, do so.[/quote]
Haven’t read that, but I will. Maraniss is a great writer. Clemente and Rome 1960 are both outstanding books.
An author that writes about sports, NOT a sportswriter…fellow bibliophiles know the difference.
Is there a way to get our hands on the vector file of the blank uni’s Paulie used for his variations? I’d love to do some myself
Pens are making a terrible mistake in ditching the blues. I’d put them 1 and 1A with the Flyers orange. Who, by the way as pointed out earlier this week, will be wearing the orange at home during the playoffs and making a permanent switch next season.
The Flyers’ Antero Niittymaki got himself a new mask the other day…
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Depressing that the same Oregon Duck player being praised for his high stirrups also has a flat brimmed cap.
[quote comment=”320462″]Pens are making a terrible mistake in ditching the blues. I’d put them 1 and 1A with the Flyers orange. Who, by the way as pointed out earlier this week, will be wearing the orange at home during the playoffs and making a permanent switch next season.[/quote]
Just goes to show the idoicy of athletes and superstitions. The Steelers, for instance, switched to black shoes for a season in the late 90s. They had a terrible season and switched back to the white. Anyone with half an interest in unis as most of us in UW do would probably agree the black shoes look better with the Steelers’ outfit.
I don’t have a problem with the Pens’ decision in the short term, but in the longer term, they’ll have a little PR problem if they scrap those next year. Every Pens game I’ve been to this year, I’ve seen more baby blue than black and gold. I think some fans would be a tad pissed if they dumped them. Thankfully, as the PG article stated, they plan on keeping them for the 2009-10 season.
I have a query: is the beef on this blog against “black for black’s sake” or black in general? I’m just curious, because half the time it seems like most of the people hate black when it’s silly and gratuitous (like on the Mets’ unis) and the other half just hate it all the time.
See, I don’t have a problem with black on the Marlins’ uniforms because black is actually one of their team colors. It would be different if it was just an accent color that they threw on to look “new” and “bad-ass” like the Lions or Mets did, but it’s been one of their colors as long as the team has been around. If you want another example, my heroes, the Texas Tech Red Raiders, wear black all the time, but black is one of the school’s colors, and has been since it was founded.
So my question is, is the problem that teams add black where it doesn’t belong, or is black itself the problem in your eyes?
I have to disagree with a couple previous comments on the Twins road unis. I think they are the best of the bunch and I love the thick piping. True the Twins may not have much of piping history, but do they have any strong uni history that is worth anything? The only thing I might tweak on the proposed road uni is the typeface (but just a little).
One more thing on the Twins roads, they would have to be worn with socks or low cut stirrups. They would look horrible with the pj pants.
While I don’t like every proposal, I love the work and effort Phil puts in. It’s great to see the new ideas. Keep it up!
I noticed on the Detroit away cap Mr. Soto fixed the inconsistency between the home Old English D and the orange D.
[quote comment=”320467″]I have to disagree with a couple previous comments on the Twins road unis. I think they are the best of the bunch and I love the thick piping. True the Twins may not have much of piping history, but do they have any strong uni history that is worth anything? The only thing I might tweak on the proposed road uni is the typeface (but just a little).
One more thing on the Twins roads, they would have to be worn with socks or low cut stirrups. They would look horrible with the pj pants.
While I don’t like every proposal, I love the work and effort Phil puts in. It’s great to see the new ideas. Keep it up![/quote]
Oops I said Phil, but meant Paul. Don’t want to short change the creator…
[quote comment=”320450″]
2. 2005 Atlanta Braves at Milwaukee Brewers (dressed as Braves).[/quote]
This game was 08/26/05. I can’t find any pics with both teams in the same shot, but here are a couple individual, including Ben Sheets in the Milwaukee Braves uniform (love that hat):
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I like that the GB Packers wives/girlfriends picture is apparently taken in a studio, with a “rec room” background. What sort of business are you doing with that backdrop?
Okay, you’re here for a wedding picture? Prom picture? Grad picture? Step right over to our fireplace setting…. :-)
Am I the only one who likes the Rangers Unis? I don’t like the font for name and numbers, but the Texas on front is a clean design aht has a nice bit of depth with the layering.
Sorry, but I think the modifications here are a downgrade. The wordmarks on the front have a more rounded look to them, which just makes it look sloppy IMO, and it doesn’t really trigger old west to me.
Just get rid of the warts on the NOB and Numbers and you’ll be fine.
Please stop using the word “Prexy” for president. It was a word invented by Variety, and shouldn’t even be used there.
The P-word is more offensive than some other things…
It appears I may have missed one. I wanted to add some “pizazz” to the Cubs bland Cubs road unis…
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Re: Twins.
I think the Twins current inus are a Top 5 set in baseball (I may be the only one here, but I LIKE the grey pinstripes too). I would change the hat on the road to the “TC” Logo hat, and in a nod to the 70’s, I would change the home hat to the Red bodied hat with the TC logo.
The Orioles alt should be orange, like the old days.
While I also hate the D-Backs script, I think the color of their alt (the brick red) is the coolest color in the majors and should be kept over a black alt. Don’t we have enough black already?
[quote comment=”320466″]I have a query: is the beef on this blog against “black for black’s sake” or black in general? I’m just curious, because half the time it seems like most of the people hate black when it’s silly and gratuitous (like on the Mets’ unis) and the other half just hate it all the time.
See, I don’t have a problem with black on the Marlins’ uniforms because black is actually one of their team colors. It would be different if it was just an accent color that they threw on to look “new” and “bad-ass” like the Lions or Mets did, but it’s been one of their colors as long as the team has been around. If you want another example, my heroes, the Texas Tech Red Raiders, wear black all the time, but black is one of the school’s colors, and has been since it was founded.
So my question is, is the problem that teams add black where it doesn’t belong, or is black itself the problem in your eyes?[/quote]
I don’t mind black at all, It doesn’t bother me most of the time. The problem is when teams add black where it doesn’t belong.
It may have seemed that I was on an anti-Black tirade but that’s not the case. I just think some teams get lazy when choosing color schemes or alternate jerseys.
Now I really do like the Marlins current uniform and colors. Black has always been a part of their color scheme (and I did like the bright teal of the early days, I had the idea of using that in the new mockups) but it seems like an odd color to wear in the “bright” Miami culture.
[quote comment=”320466″]I have a query: is the beef on this blog against “black for black’s sake” or black in general? I’m just curious, because half the time it seems like most of the people hate black when it’s silly and gratuitous (like on the Mets’ unis) and the other half just hate it all the time.
See, I don’t have a problem with black on the Marlins’ uniforms because black is actually one of their team colors. It would be different if it was just an accent color that they threw on to look “new” and “bad-ass” like the Lions or Mets did, but it’s been one of their colors as long as the team has been around. If you want another example, my heroes, the Texas Tech Red Raiders, wear black all the time, but black is one of the school’s colors, and has been since it was founded.
So my question is, is the problem that teams add black where it doesn’t belong, or is black itself the problem in your eyes?[/quote]
On here, people freak the f out whenever black is included on a jersey, whether or not its a part of the team colors. I’ve made this same argument many times about the Carolina Hurricanes, and the overwhelming sentiment is that most people only see black as a ‘black for black sake’ regardless of whether or not its a part of the team colors.
[quote comment=”320457″][quote comment=”320440″][quote comment=”320436″]Good enough effort on the unis — though, why no Astros? They are long overdue for something that befits their brand (something that marries retro-futuristic with classy … which is absolutely not the case right now).[/quote]
This is the best uni the Astros have ever worn, and they should return to it, pronto.
link
And yes, include the star on the stirrup.[/quote]
+1
I remember ONE game where the Astros used the shooting star throwback but I am unable to find a picture, but I would prefer the Astros use this again: link
[/quote]
Yep, that’s the one – best uniform the team ever wore. It would still look great today.
I appreciate the kind words and critiques everybody. They are very helpful and insightful. Wish I had more time to do more teams but I guess ya gotta leave ’em wanting more.
I’d say one big reason the Sox don’t continue to wear Comiskey Park logo is because Reinsdorf changed the name of the stadium.
:-(
Besides that, I’m thinking that picture is from 91 the inaugural season at New Comiskey. Frank looks awfully young.
You can find the jersey template here: link
[quote comment=”320481″]I’d say one big reason the Sox don’t continue to wear Comiskey Park logo is because Reinsdorf changed the name of the stadium.
:-(
Besides that, I’m thinking that picture is from 91 the inaugural season at New Comiskey. Frank looks awfully young.[/quote]
Even as a Cubs fan I still was disturbed by the renaming. I call it Comiskey Park no matter what. I’m still a Chicagoan.. Wrigley Field, Comiskey Park, Chicago Stadium, Soldier Field, Marshall Fields, Montgomery Ward etc.
[quote comment=”320477″]On here, people freak the f out whenever black is included on a jersey, whether or not its a part of the team colors. I’ve made this same argument many times about the Carolina Hurricanes, and the overwhelming sentiment is that most people only see black as a ‘black for black sake’ regardless of whether or not its a part of the team colors.[/quote]
Count me as one who doesn’t care for the gratitious use of black.
The Mets? Why? Same thing for Duke basketball. And Northwestern football (were players really having trouble figuring out that the dark purple jerseys were friends and the white jerseys were opponents?)
OTOH, the White Sox, Orioles, Giants, Pirates and a lot of others: go ahead and use it (with the general guideline that a lot of the solid-color jerseys just don’t look good no matter what the color).
[quote comment=”320483″]Even as a Cubs fan I still was disturbed by the renaming. I call it Comiskey Park no matter what. I’m still a Chicagoan.. Wrigley Field, Comiskey Park, Chicago Stadium, Soldier Field, Marshall Fields, Montgomery Ward etc.[/quote]
I’m right with you on that one.
The REALLY galling ones are Marshall Fields and now the Sears Tower. It’s a bit of a slide-around to build something new (yet right across the street!) and start calling it the Cell or the UC. But the same stinkin’ store or building? No, I’m not going to waste time and try to confuse people just because of your ego buddy. Hell, half the reason you BOUGHT the store was because of the loyalty of the customers.
I liked the huge pushback on Soldier Field. (Obviously they had the weight of patriotism on their side too.)
The Marlins unis are great! Much better than what the MLB marketing wankers will foist on them, no doubt. And yes, Mets without the black would be great, too, a return to what was a classic look.
I am from Chicago, and I’m all for Chicago pride, but calling a new building by the old building’s name seems a little far-fetched.
I still refer to US Cellular Field as “Comiskey.” It was originally named Comiskey, so it just stuck, and will always stick.
But you refer to the United Center as “Chicago Stadium?” Why? It’s a completely different building, and never in it’s history was it named the Chicago Stadium.
[quote comment=”320475″](I may be the only one here, but I LIKE the grey pinstripes too).[/quote]
JMHO, but I think because of the longterm success of the Yanks (grr) and also their total steadfastness and consistency in never changing their uniforms (and here I give them credit for sticking with a good idea in the face of “modernization” everywhere else)-well, I guess now I have ceded the idea of pinstripes on a baseball uniform to the Yanks. (At least for the American League.) For me, this is something like the idea of ceding the use of the Old English/Gothic lettering to the Tigers.
Also, you can count me as one of the people who support the team logo or nickname on the home uniforms and the location on the roadies.
[quote comment=”320473″]Please stop using the word “Prexy” for president. It was a word invented by Variety, and shouldn’t even be used there.
The P-word is more offensive than some other things…[/quote]
Didn’t we go through this on the weekend?Am I feeding a troll?
Prexy is originally a collegiate term used to refer to the president of a college or university.
More to do with the Varsity than the Variety.
Within the ivy covered walls of Uni Watch, it seems appropriate
[quote comment=”320487″]But you refer to the United Center as “Chicago Stadium?” Why? It’s a completely different building, and never in it’s history was it named the Chicago Stadium.[/quote]Location is one thing. If you’re going to a concert, and one year you’re going to the Stadium (as you have for years) and the next year you’re going to the UC-well, that just seems silly to me. Parking in the same places, all the rest; I’m not saying I’ve tickets to see the Stones at the United Center.
I think the other is the rapidly changing nature of the corporate-named stadium. In Chicago we’ve been luckier than most. But how many names has the Houston baseball stadium had in its brief life? Or Joe Robbie? Bank One Ballpark: is that now Chase One Ballpark?
Does anyone really call that place in Glendale, Arizona “The University of Phoenix Stadium”?
[quote comment=”320489″]
Prexy is originally a collegiate term used to refer to the president of a college or university.[/quote]Squiddie, that’s EXACTLY where I first saw it. On the license plate of a (antique) car owned by a University President. :-)
Just got my Mets season tix in the mail and the tix have the much nicer “archway” Inaugural Season logo on them. No Dominos pizza box to be found anywhere.
Any hope that that brass will come to their senses and dump the horrible pizza box logo on the unis?
[quote comment=”320490″][quote comment=”320487″]But you refer to the United Center as “Chicago Stadium?” Why? It’s a completely different building, and never in it’s history was it named the Chicago Stadium.[/quote]Location is one thing. If you’re going to a concert, and one year you’re going to the Stadium (as you have for years) and the next year you’re going to the UC-well, that just seems silly to me. Parking in the same places, all the rest; I’m not saying I’ve tickets to see the Stones at the United Center.
I think the other is the rapidly changing nature of the corporate-named stadium. In Chicago we’ve been luckier than most. But how many names has the Houston baseball stadium had in its brief life? Or Joe Robbie? Bank One Ballpark: is that now Chase One Ballpark?
Does anyone really call that place in Glendale, Arizona “The University of Phoenix Stadium”?[/quote]
its still the Gund and the Jake to me in cleveland.
Referring to the United Center as The Chicago Stadium seems to me like referring to Minute Maid Park in Houston as “The Astrodome”…or Miller Park in Milwaukee as “County Stadium”…or Comerica Park in Detroit as “Tiger Stadium”…or so on and so forth.
As I said, I can totally understand calling where the White Sox play Comiskey Park, since it was originally called that when the new building opened, but the UC is a totally different building from Chicago Stadium.
Just wondering, what do you call Toyota Field, where the Chicago Fire play? Do you call it Soldier Field (since they played there before)…or do you call it something else without “Toyota” included? Or do you not refer to it all since soccer is not a sport?
[quote comment=”320409″]Attention mash-up logo creators: listening to the Steve Czaben Show this morning on the way into work and they were talking about a fantasy baseball draft that their producer took place in.
He drafted a team exclusively of Orioles and Nationals players so it would be easy for him to root for those players (it’s a national show, but based out of the Balto/DC area).
(I won’t go into what a disaster that will be for his squad, being that I’m probably one of the worst avid fantasy sports players around!)
They were taking text message suggestions for a team name and really liked “Natty Borioles”. Czabe was asking for folks to make a logo which would be a mashup of the O’s and Nats logos and send them to him at link
Just thought I’d pass it along to those of you who might be inclined to such artistic endeavors.[/quote]
It took a while, but I think I came through!
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Someone from MLB needs to get in contact with Pretty Boy Paulie RIGHT NOW!!!! His stuff is unbelievably good! Soooooo much better than anything the schmucks for the teams can do right now.
Paulie, if no one contacts you, I highly recommend sending your prototypes to teams and see what they say. This stuff can’t go unnoticed any longer. It needs to be found out on a much larger scale.
[quote comment=”320495″][quote comment=”320409″]Attention mash-up logo creators: listening to the Steve Czaben Show this morning on the way into work and they were talking about a fantasy baseball draft that their producer took place in.
He drafted a team exclusively of Orioles and Nationals players so it would be easy for him to root for those players (it’s a national show, but based out of the Balto/DC area).
(I won’t go into what a disaster that will be for his squad, being that I’m probably one of the worst avid fantasy sports players around!)
They were taking text message suggestions for a team name and really liked “Natty Borioles”. Czabe was asking for folks to make a logo which would be a mashup of the O’s and Nats logos and send them to him at link
Just thought I’d pass it along to those of you who might be inclined to such artistic endeavors.[/quote]
It took a while, but I think I came through!
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fu-king outstanding! I hope you emailed that to them!
Thank you for creating the alternate Tigers jersey. Now whenever anyone complains about the inconsistency between the uniform “D” and the cap “D”, I can show them how dumb it looks to have them match. The jersey “D” on the cap looks cheap…like a knock-off by someone who didn’t know any better.
Also, most people in Detroit dislike the “Tiger in the D” logo. It is probably because we associate it with the crappy teams of the 90’s who played in a crumbling Tiger Stadium (Thank you very much, Mike Illitch…). It is funny because most people outside of the Detroit area love that logo and wonder why it isn’t used anymore.
[quote comment=”320477″]
On here, people freak the f out whenever black is included on a jersey, whether or not its a part of the team colors. I’ve made this same argument many times about the Carolina Hurricanes, and the overwhelming sentiment is that most people only see black as a ‘black for black sake’ regardless of whether or not its a part of the team colors.[/quote]
You know, we’ve been over this a number of times. It is not one of their primary colours despite them naming it as such. Hell, black isn’t even a colour. Just because black is added as an outline colour to a logo or font, or is included as a contrasting colour to, say, white on the logo, it should NEVER be considered a team colour unless it is explicitly worn as such. And the Hurricanes have never worn it.
Boston Bruins? The original black-and-yellow before black became the fad, so yes. Pittsburgh Penguins? Penguins are black, so I can live with this. There’s a pile of history with their switch to black. Even the Blackhawks I can roll with because they used to wear black.
But the Hurricanes? Are you kidding me? Red and white only. I think we proved how good that looks with the recent NCAA Men’s article, and other prime examples of two-colour teams like Detroit and Toronto.
The red and white Hurricanes’ uniforms are infinitely better than their alternate every day of the week and twice on Sundays. Ditch the black. Permanently.
[quote comment=”320470″][quote comment=”320450″]
2. 2005 Atlanta Braves at Milwaukee Brewers (dressed as Braves).[/quote]
This game was 08/26/05. I can’t find any pics with both teams in the same shot, but here are a couple individual, including Ben Sheets in the Milwaukee Braves uniform (love that hat):
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Thank you!
[quote comment=”320459″][quote comment=”320458″][quote comment=”320433″]Ricko- not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not about the Marlins black and teal, but i have to agree with you. and the only color miami teams share is orange. the dolphins and hurricanes use completely different shades of green, and of course the heat have black. the teal and black was original for baseball, and i kind of liked it.[/quote]
link works for me.
And I both loved and hated the original Marlins’ uni set.
Loved: the all-teal cap/teal pinstripes on the home unis.
Hated: the teal crown/black brim on the road caps. If they had reversed it and made the crown black with a teal brim, they’d have been on to something.[/quote]
I don’t mind the colors the Marlins have now. Perhaps the only thing I would change is move the teal to more of a blue than it is to make it look more like an actual marlin. (i.e. more like the color set the Carolina Panthers use) I’d even go so far as to say they should go with primarily black and using the blue and silver as the highlights. Dump the black pinstripes and change up the wordmark a bit and the jersey would look much better than it does now.[/quote]
As a diehard Marlins fan, I hate this introduction of orange to the color scheme. It seems like the only reason is to match it with the Dolphins and the Orange Bowl. But even more, I hate the use of “Miami”. What a shame that they’ll change the name when they move. Grrr.
I didn’t like the original teal hats, but did like the road one with black brim, and the full link. But when they switched to link, I thought it got link.
Black and teal have always been the main colors here, and changing them for the sake of change isn’t very smart, IMO. I know they will want to sell all new “Miami” products, but I don’t like it one bit. I’m gonna get a few current black hats to last many more years. Go FISH!
Very difficult to see how the lettering would actually fall across the jersey placket in those illistrations, but two things popped out to me as I saw them:
1. Paul showed exactly how the D*backs could avoid their currently horrible D*baacks look by moving the complete “a” to the extreme left edge of the placket.
2. That San Francisco script is nice, and it was on dugout jackets, but getting that fancy “F” across the placket would be nearly impossible. looked fine across the zipper on a jacket.
[quote comment=”320498″]Thank you for creating the alternate Tigers jersey. Now whenever anyone complains about the inconsistency between the uniform “D” and the cap “D”, I can show them how dumb it looks to have them match. The jersey “D” on the cap looks cheap…like a knock-off by someone who didn’t know any better.
Also, most people in Detroit dislike the “Tiger in the D” logo. It is probably because we associate it with the crappy teams of the 90’s who played in a crumbling Tiger Stadium (Thank you very much, Mike Illitch…). It is funny because most people outside of the Detroit area love that logo and wonder why it isn’t used anymore.[/quote]
I’ve always wanted to know what the home unis would look like if the cap D was also on the jersey. To me the cap D was always the better one.
[quote comment=”320494″]Referring to the United Center as The Chicago Stadium seems to me like referring to Minute Maid Park in Houston as “The Astrodome”…or Miller Park in Milwaukee as “County Stadium”…or Comerica Park in Detroit as “Tiger Stadium”…or so on and so forth.
As I said, I can totally understand calling where the White Sox play Comiskey Park, since it was originally called that when the new building opened, but the UC is a totally different building from Chicago Stadium.
Just wondering, what do you call Toyota Field, where the Chicago Fire play? Do you call it Soldier Field (since they played there before)…or do you call it something else without “Toyota” included? Or do you not refer to it all since soccer is not a sport?[/quote]
I’m from Detroit and I have accidentally called Comerica Park by the name of its predecessor from time to time.
I know a lot of people who call it Tiger Stadium regularly. I don’t think this is the result of resistance to corporate sponsorship. Rather, to them the generic Tiger Stadium name simply means the stadium in which the Tigers play. Perhaps it would be written more appropriately with a lowercase s in the word stadium.
[quote comment=”320499″][quote comment=”320477″]
On here, people freak the f out whenever black is included on a jersey, whether or not its a part of the team colors. I’ve made this same argument many times about the Carolina Hurricanes, and the overwhelming sentiment is that most people only see black as a ‘black for black sake’ regardless of whether or not its a part of the team colors.[/quote]
You know, we’ve been over this a number of times. It is not one of their primary colours despite them naming it as such. Hell, black isn’t even a colour. Just because black is added as an outline colour to a logo or font, or is included as a contrasting colour to, say, white on the logo, it should NEVER be considered a team colour unless it is explicitly worn as such. And the Hurricanes have never worn it.
Boston Bruins? The original black-and-yellow before black became the fad, so yes. Pittsburgh Penguins? Penguins are black, so I can live with this. There’s a pile of history with their switch to black. Even the Blackhawks I can roll with because they used to wear black.
But the Hurricanes? Are you kidding me? Red and white only. I think we proved how good that looks with the recent NCAA Men’s article, and other prime examples of two-colour teams like Detroit and Toronto.
The red and white Hurricanes’ uniforms are infinitely better than their alternate every day of the week and twice on Sundays. Ditch the black. Permanently.[/quote]
They have always been red and black. I’m sorry but you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Since the move from Hartford, they’ve sold merchandise in 3 main colors: red, white, and black. They have never tried to hide the fact that black is one of their main colors. The main logo includes big patched of red and black, their alternate logo is a red and black flad on a black triangular background. Now, if you want to argue that silver isn’t a part of their main colors because its only used as an accent on their logos and jerseys, fine, but not black.
I know you know a lot about hockey, and I respect that, but in this situation you couldn’t be more wrong. Take it from someone who has been going to their games since they were in Greensboro, you’re wrong.
[quote comment=”320494″]Referring to the United Center as The Chicago Stadium seems to me like referring to Minute Maid Park in Houston as “The Astrodome”…or Miller Park in Milwaukee as “County Stadium”…or Comerica Park in Detroit as “Tiger Stadium”…or so on and so forth.
As I said, I can totally understand calling where the White Sox play Comiskey Park, since it was originally called that when the new building opened, but the UC is a totally different building from Chicago Stadium.
Just wondering, what do you call Toyota Field, where the Chicago Fire play? Do you call it Soldier Field (since they played there before)…or do you call it something else without “Toyota” included? Or do you not refer to it all since soccer is not a sport?[/quote]
I agree. It’s not like the pinstripe fans are going to call the new place “Yankee Stadium” right?
There’s my quota of one bad joke a day…
On the same topic, I think a lot of people in Detroit do call Comerica Park “Tiger Stadium”. I think that’s mostly attributable to it being the stadium the Tigers play in rather than a reference to the place at Michigan & Trumball.
LOVE the Angels and Marlins treatments. Excellent work!
[quote comment=”320497″][quote comment=”320495″][quote comment=”320409″]Attention mash-up logo creators: listening to the Steve Czaben Show this morning on the way into work and they were talking about a fantasy baseball draft that their producer took place in.
He drafted a team exclusively of Orioles and Nationals players so it would be easy for him to root for those players (it’s a national show, but based out of the Balto/DC area).
(I won’t go into what a disaster that will be for his squad, being that I’m probably one of the worst avid fantasy sports players around!)
They were taking text message suggestions for a team name and really liked “Natty Borioles”. Czabe was asking for folks to make a logo which would be a mashup of the O’s and Nats logos and send them to him at link
Just thought I’d pass it along to those of you who might be inclined to such artistic endeavors.[/quote]
It took a while, but I think I came through!
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fu-king outstanding! I hope you emailed that to them![/quote]
+1. Outstanding.
For the sake of discussion, what do the Carolina Hurricanes list as their official team colors? (I ask because I honestly don’t know)
Gotta be stipulated somewhere. Anyone have a Hurricanes media guide?
[quote comment=”320429″]However, I’ll be rooting for my alma mater in today’s throwback game. Let’s go Auburn![/quote]
I always like it when South Alabama makes it into the NCAA basketball bracket — its fans can chant with superlative force and vibrancy in a way that can usually be found at the 1980 Winter Olympics!
U! S! A!
I’ve long admired things like Paul’s mockups, logo mashups, and the Uniwatch member card logos. My question is how do people make them? What software is used? Photoshop? Can someone without any graphics training do a servicable DIY job? Any tips or help out there?
[quote comment=”320437″][quote comment=”320416″]Another very well done job on the uni treatments…[/quote]
[quote comment=”320420″]Could the MLB please hire “Pretty Boy”… his work is AWESOME and he totally gets it![/quote]
[quote comment=”320417”]Great birthday present, Paulie![/quote]
Amen, amen. Great stuff. Paulie: now football![/quote]
Orioles treatment looks wonderful!
and yes, bring on the football uni’s!!!!
Great job all around!!
Paul, I think most of the designs are pretty nice, the Twins and Rangers not so much. Really like the Cubs road you added. I’m not much of a fan the outline spaced away from the numbers (like on the Marlins jersey). The rest don’t have that, which is cool. And the Marlins concept is awesome. Great work.
I’d like to see the Tigers come up with a home white alternate, you know, a completely different home design – but call it an alternate so folks in Detroit don’t freak. Even if something like that doesn’t catch on, it’s always good for a “throwback” ten years later.
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I know you know a lot about hockey, and I respect that, but in this situation you couldn’t be more wrong. Take it from someone who has been going to their games since they were in Greensboro, you’re wrong.[/quote]
Not sure if you’re aware of this, BF, but every single team sells merchandise in black. Every. Single. Team. That included the NFL, MLB, MLS, AHL, ECHL, NBA, etc. Every one.
The problem is that we’re not talking about merchandise. We’re talking about on-ice equipment. Since 2000, the usage of black as an on-ice colour has grown exponentially.
Anaheim wore a black alternate for parts of two seasons. Sales were disappointing. Instead, they switched to black altogether for their road jersey, and now they look like they wear unitards. Epic fail.
Buffalo tried black our for a few years and failed miserably. They went back to yellow and navy blue (“Look, ma! No black!”).
Calgary had a black alternate which became their black road jersey, and they returned to a red road jersey. Their look? 100x better.
Dallas wore the black Female Reproductive Tract alternate for one season. Sales of this jersey were somewhere near a dozen for the season, so they scrapped that look. They are green and white. And look much better in those colours.
Philadelphia introduced a black home jersey, and how now selected their alternate orange to be the only jersey worn at home in the playoffs, and their home duds for next season. The response? Hugely popular.
Phoenix had a black road jersey, and they killed it off for the brick red and white duds. The response? Very positive. Their new black alternate this season? Hugely disappointing in terms of sales.
The Washington Capitals wore black as an alternate and as a road jersey, but have gone back to the ridiculously popular red.
Can you see the trend TOWARDS colour, yet your lovable team seems to want to regress rather than evolve.
Do you want to know why we, as a society, prefer colour TV over black-and-white TV? A large part of it has to do with COLOUR. We want higher definition and better COLOUR on our TVs, yet some people still prefer to dress their teams in black.
Explain to me what the point is of having hi-def colour TVs when you want your team to dress in black. I demand more than some god-forsaken design team handing Peter “Nickel-and-Dime” Karmanos a sheet with a black uniform on it.
Otherwise, Karmanos can pay for my TV since he’s too cheap or far too stupid to approve the use colour.
[quote]
They have always been red and black. I’m sorry but you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Since the move from Hartford, they’ve sold merchandise in 3 main colors: red, white, and black. They have never tried to hide the fact that black is one of their main colors. The main logo includes big patched of red and black, their alternate logo is a red and black flad on a black triangular background. Now, if you want to argue that silver isn’t a part of their main colors because its only used as an accent on their logos and jerseys, fine, but not black.
I know you know a lot about hockey, and I respect that, but in this situation you couldn’t be more wrong. Take it from someone who has been going to their games since they were in Greensboro, you’re wrong.[/quote]
I gotta concur w/ Beardface on this one (is that you, Dave?)…I was likewise living in Greensboro in 1997 when the Canes arrived, and they’ve always sported at least as much black as they have white. Doesn’t mean the thirds aren’t ugly, but they have as much right to it as the Blackhawks or Flyers.
[quote comment=”320509″]For the sake of discussion, what do the Carolina Hurricanes list as their official team colors? (I ask because I honestly don’t know)
Gotta be stipulated somewhere. Anyone have a Hurricanes media guide?[/quote]
They claim “Red, Black, Silver, White” similar to the storm warning flags, yet they only use black as an accent colour. Therefore, the claiming of black as a “primary colour” would be like the USA claiming that steel gray is a colour of the flag because of the flagpole it is attached to.
When white is used more on the uniforms than either black or silver, someone is really stretching for black to be part of the scheme.
[quote comment=”320515″]
I gotta concur w/ Beardface on this one (is that you, Dave?)…I was likewise living in Greensboro in 1997 when the Canes arrived, and they’ve always sported at least as much black as they have white. Doesn’t mean the thirds aren’t ugly, but they have as much right to it as the Blackhawks or Flyers.[/quote]
If black was their primary colour – and this is not meant any disrepsect to you or BF – why wasn’t it used as more than an accent colour?
Why not come out with a black jersey then and there in 1997 instead of creating it as an alternate in 2008?
And just to give you more fuel for the fire, Columbus has “Electric Green” listed as an official colour, yet I haven’t seen them break out any sort of green wear (aside from St. Patty’s Day).
Look, I’m not trying to recreate the wheel here. I’m simply saying that Carolina is very much black for black’s sake with their alternates.
[quote comment=”320506″][quote comment=”320494″]Referring to the United Center as The Chicago Stadium seems to me like referring to Minute Maid Park in Houston as “The Astrodome”…or Miller Park in Milwaukee as “County Stadium”…or Comerica Park in Detroit as “Tiger Stadium”…or so on and so forth.
As I said, I can totally understand calling where the White Sox play Comiskey Park, since it was originally called that when the new building opened, but the UC is a totally different building from Chicago Stadium.
Just wondering, what do you call Toyota Field, where the Chicago Fire play? Do you call it Soldier Field (since they played there before)…or do you call it something else without “Toyota” included? Or do you not refer to it all since soccer is not a sport?[/quote]
I agree. It’s not like the pinstripe fans are going to call the new place “Yankee Stadium” right?
There’s my quota of one bad joke a day…
On the same topic, I think a lot of people in Detroit do call Comerica Park “Tiger Stadium”.
I think that’s mostly attributable to it being the stadium the Tigers play in rather than a reference to the place at Michigan & Trumball.[/quote]
couple decent examples:
i go to pnc park to watch a pirates game
i go to heinz field to watch a steelers game
nobody here ever says they’re going to three river staduim… even though the new stadiums are within spitting distance from old three rivers stadium… and of course, located next to three rivers. lol
at this point, i fo to the civic arena to watch the pens… not mellon arena.
and when they open their new building (within spitting distance), i will go to the energy center to watch a pens game.
hope this helps…
[quote comment=”320519″]And just to give you more fuel for the fire, Columbus has “Electric Green” listed as an official colour, yet I haven’t seen them break out any sort of green wear (aside from St. Patty’s Day).
Look, I’m not trying to recreate the wheel here. I’m simply saying that Carolina is very much black for black’s sake with their alternates.[/quote]
Wasn’t the Electric Green part of the CBJ bug Logo?
[quote comment=”320508″][quote comment=”320497″][quote comment=”320495″][quote comment=”320409″]Attention mash-up logo creators: listening to the Steve Czaben Show this morning on the way into work and they were talking about a fantasy baseball draft that their producer took place in.
He drafted a team exclusively of Orioles and Nationals players so it would be easy for him to root for those players (it’s a national show, but based out of the Balto/DC area).
(I won’t go into what a disaster that will be for his squad, being that I’m probably one of the worst avid fantasy sports players around!)
They were taking text message suggestions for a team name and really liked “Natty Borioles”. Czabe was asking for folks to make a logo which would be a mashup of the O’s and Nats logos and send them to him at link
Just thought I’d pass it along to those of you who might be inclined to such artistic endeavors.[/quote]
It took a while, but I think I came through!
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fu-king outstanding! I hope you emailed that to them![/quote]
+1. Outstanding.[/quote]
Sorry, I’m a square. What is this ‘+1’ business that has popped up a few times today? Does it mean ‘I agree’ or something?
[quote comment=”320519″]And just to give you more fuel for the fire, Columbus has “Electric Green” listed as an official colour, yet I haven’t seen them break out any sort of green wear (aside from St. Patty’s Day).
Look, I’m not trying to recreate the wheel here. I’m simply saying that Carolina is very much black for black’s sake with their alternates.[/quote]
IMO, there is a fiar share of black on a hurricanes jersey… but it IS an accent. and their black alt is black for black sake… look at the new jersey devils… fair share of black accent, but if they released a black alt, they would be black for blacks sake.
The stick is Electric Green link
[quote comment=”320523″][quote comment=”320519″]And just to give you more fuel for the fire, Columbus has “Electric Green” listed as an official colour, yet I haven’t seen them break out any sort of green wear (aside from St. Patty’s Day).
Look, I’m not trying to recreate the wheel here. I’m simply saying that Carolina is very much black for black’s sake with their alternates.[/quote]
IMO, there is a fiar share of black on a hurricanes jersey… but it IS an accent. and their black alt is black for black sake… look at the new jersey devils… fair share of black accent, but if they released a black alt, they would be black for blacks sake.[/quote]
same with calgary, by the way. lots of black accent (and more so in the home uni), but if they released a black alt (which i’m SURE is coming down the line next year), they’d be black for blacks sake.
and… just to “round” things out… the islanders are dumb for dumbs sake… hahaha… sorry phil ;-)
[quote comment=”320523″][quote comment=”320519″]And just to give you more fuel for the fire, Columbus has “Electric Green” listed as an official colour, yet I haven’t seen them break out any sort of green wear (aside from St. Patty’s Day).
Look, I’m not trying to recreate the wheel here. I’m simply saying that Carolina is very much black for black’s sake with their alternates.[/quote]
IMO, there is a fiar share of black on a hurricanes jersey… but it IS an accent. and their black alt is black for black sake… look at the new jersey devils… fair share of black accent, but if they released a black alt, they would be black for blacks sake.[/quote]
It kinda gets down to “ditch the thirds” then, doesn’t it? ‘Cause where else are they gonna go? They could’ve done another one in red, I suppose…but generally, if a team has any black in their scheme, that’s the direction they’re going with the alternate. Cash grab, sure, but the Hurricanes are no more guilty than anyone else.
[quote comment=”320526″][quote comment=”320523″][quote comment=”320519″]And just to give you more fuel for the fire, Columbus has “Electric Green” listed as an official colour, yet I haven’t seen them break out any sort of green wear (aside from St. Patty’s Day).
Look, I’m not trying to recreate the wheel here. I’m simply saying that Carolina is very much black for black’s sake with their alternates.[/quote]
IMO, there is a fiar share of black on a hurricanes jersey… but it IS an accent. and their black alt is black for black sake… look at the new jersey devils… fair share of black accent, but if they released a black alt, they would be black for blacks sake.[/quote]
It kinda gets down to “ditch the thirds” then, doesn’t it? ‘Cause where else are they gonna go? They could’ve done another one in red, I suppose…but generally, if a team has any black in their scheme, that’s the direction they’re going with the alternate. Cash grab, sure, but the Hurricanes are no more guilty than anyone else.[/quote]
Maybe Karmanos shouldn’t have burned his bridges in Hartford?
The Hurricanes could be stellar in green and blue.
[quote comment=”320527″][quote comment=”320526″][quote comment=”320523″][quote comment=”320519″]And just to give you more fuel for the fire, Columbus has “Electric Green” listed as an official colour, yet I haven’t seen them break out any sort of green wear (aside from St. Patty’s Day).
Look, I’m not trying to recreate the wheel here. I’m simply saying that Carolina is very much black for black’s sake with their alternates.[/quote]
IMO, there is a fiar share of black on a hurricanes jersey… but it IS an accent. and their black alt is black for black sake… look at the new jersey devils… fair share of black accent, but if they released a black alt, they would be black for blacks sake.[/quote]
It kinda gets down to “ditch the thirds” then, doesn’t it? ‘Cause where else are they gonna go? They could’ve done another one in red, I suppose…but generally, if a team has any black in their scheme, that’s the direction they’re going with the alternate. Cash grab, sure, but the Hurricanes are no more guilty than anyone else.[/quote]
Maybe Karmanos shouldn’t have burned his bridges in Hartford?
The Hurricanes could be stellar in green and blue.[/quote]
For the Record: Hartford’s Colors Navy, Green and Silver
[quote comment=”320510″][quote comment=”320429″]However, I’ll be rooting for my alma mater in today’s throwback game. Let’s go Auburn![/quote]
I always like it when South Alabama makes it into the NCAA basketball bracket — its fans can chant with superlative force and vibrancy in a way that can usually be found at the 1980 Winter Olympics!
U! S! A![/quote]
This caused much confusion at the 1997 NCAA tournament. In the first round, vs. Arizona, South Alabama fans chanted U-S-A, while Arizona fans chanted U-of-A. They sounded identical.
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For the Record: Hartford’s Colors Navy, Green and Silver[/quote]
Depending on whose record, I suppose. According to SSUR.org:
1992-1993 through 1996-1997: Blue, Green, Silver, White
1979-1980 through 1991-1992: Green, Blue, White
[quote comment=”320528″][quote comment=”320527″][quote comment=”320526″][quote comment=”320523″][quote comment=”320519″]And just to give you more fuel for the fire, Columbus has “Electric Green” listed as an official colour, yet I haven’t seen them break out any sort of green wear (aside from St. Patty’s Day).
Look, I’m not trying to recreate the wheel here. I’m simply saying that Carolina is very much black for black’s sake with their alternates.[/quote]
IMO, there is a fiar share of black on a hurricanes jersey… but it IS an accent. and their black alt is black for black sake… look at the new jersey devils… fair share of black accent, but if they released a black alt, they would be black for blacks sake.[/quote]
It kinda gets down to “ditch the thirds” then, doesn’t it? ‘Cause where else are they gonna go? They could’ve done another one in red, I suppose…but generally, if a team has any black in their scheme, that’s the direction they’re going with the alternate. Cash grab, sure, but the Hurricanes are no more guilty than anyone else.[/quote]
Maybe Karmanos shouldn’t have burned his bridges in Hartford?
The Hurricanes could be stellar in green and blue.[/quote]
For the Record: Hartford’s Colors Navy, Green and Silver[/quote]
don’t nit-pick over that now! lol
there are 8 teams that kept their colors for their thirds.
this discussion could last forever. lol
i think the big picture… why do teams HAVE to have thirds anyways?!?! i mean, i KNOW why… the allmighty dollar… but seriously. some teams really need to work on their regluar home & aways before they worry about a third or alt!
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Maybe Karmanos shouldn’t have burned his bridges in Hartford?
The Hurricanes could be stellar in green and blue.[/quote]
That’d be sharp, but I’m thinking pretty impossible.
Just an observation…you’re not Karmanos’ biggest fan, are ya?
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Article about Denver Broncos uniform history and colors.
[quote comment=”320516″][quote comment=”320509″]For the sake of discussion, what do the Carolina Hurricanes list as their official team colors? (I ask because I honestly don’t know)
Gotta be stipulated somewhere. Anyone have a Hurricanes media guide?[/quote]
They claim “Red, Black, Silver, White” similar to the storm warning flags, yet they only use black as an accent colour. Therefore, the claiming of black as a “primary colour” would be like the USA claiming that steel gray is a colour of the flag because of the flagpole it is attached to.
When white is used more on the uniforms than either black or silver, someone is really stretching for black to be part of the scheme.[/quote]
When I look at a hurricane warning flag I see red and black (no white). When I look at the Carolina Hurricanes logo, I see red, black, and white. Not sure what the fuss is about regarding using black in their unis.
[quote comment=”320532″][quote comment=”320527″]
Maybe Karmanos shouldn’t have burned his bridges in Hartford?
The Hurricanes could be stellar in green and blue.[/quote]
That’d be sharp, but I’m thinking pretty impossible.
Just an observation…you’re not Karmanos’ biggest fan, are ya?[/quote]
Nope. Nor will I ever be. He had a great thing in Hartford with all the surrounding communities and the hockey-mad region, but he refused to invest any money in the team until he got a new arena. The city of Hartford was prepared to give him one until he made ludicrous demands for repayment of losses he suffered.
So he did what any self-respecting investor does: he pulls a franchise rich in history in New England and settles in the Sunbelt. And THEN decides to invest millions in the team to make it better – all while losing piles of cash doing so for the first few seasons – until Raleigh got an arena built.
But who cares, right? He got what he wanted. Eff the fans, the history, and the city of Hartford. Look after your own interests only because that’s all that matters… even when you’re hemorrhaging cash in a non-hockey market just for a new arena… that he couldn’t fill until the Hurricanes won the Stanley Cup.
No, I will never be a Karmanos fan. Peter Karmanos is a certified jackass.
RE: don’t nit-pick over that now! lol
Isn’t that what is UniWatch all about :)
In football (soccer) news from the EPL, Middlesbrough announced a deal with Adidas. Now we will just see if Boro can avoid relegation.
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When I look at a hurricane warning flag I see red and black (no white). When I look at the Carolina Hurricanes logo, I see red, black, and white. Not sure what the fuss is about regarding using black in their unis.[/quote]
I see a white uniform with red, silver and black accents.
I see a red uniform with white, silver, and black accents.
I see red numbers and letters accented by black on the rear of the white jersey.
I see white numbers and letters accented by black on rear of the red jersey.
I see black accents all over the place, but it hasn’t been used for primarily anything except accents. So should it be a primary colour?
“Primary” indicates it would be the first thing you think of in a colour scheme. Carolina is red and white. ‘Nuff said.
[quote comment=”320535″][quote comment=”320532″][quote comment=”320527″]
Maybe Karmanos shouldn’t have burned his bridges in Hartford?
The Hurricanes could be stellar in green and blue.[/quote]
That’d be sharp, but I’m thinking pretty impossible.
Just an observation…you’re not Karmanos’ biggest fan, are ya?[/quote]
Nope. Nor will I ever be. He had a great thing in Hartford with all the surrounding communities and the hockey-mad region, but he refused to invest any money in the team until he got a new arena. The city of Hartford was prepared to give him one until he made ludicrous demands for repayment of losses he suffered.
So he did what any self-respecting investor does: he pulls a franchise rich in history in New England and settles in the Sunbelt. And THEN decides to invest millions in the team to make it better – all while losing piles of cash doing so for the first few seasons – until Raleigh got an arena built.
But who cares, right? He got what he wanted. Eff the fans, the history, and the city of Hartford. Look after your own interests only because that’s all that matters… even when you’re hemorrhaging cash in a non-hockey market just for a new arena… that he couldn’t fill until the Hurricanes won the Stanley Cup.
No, I will never be a Karmanos fan. Peter Karmanos is a certified jackass.[/quote]
I’m with you on most of that…but I can’t be too hard on the Carolina fans, a lot of whom I’m pals with and are as rabid and loyal of hockey fans as you’ll find. I dragged one of my ex-roommates to the opener back in ’97 against the Pens, and it completely took hold. Karmanos is a sleaze, and all things being equal, I’d rather there was a Hartford Whalers than a Carolina Hurricanes, but the fans are good, and it sure ain’t their fault.
Joe — nice job on the mashup logo. My fantasy team name is the Bohemian Nationals and I use the Mr. Boh head as well.
Paulie — love your versions of the uniforms. The Orioles are going to have a black jersey with Baltimore on it. It will be their road batting practice jerseys that might make it in for a game. The only problem is that it has the orange and white marks under the arm. The solid one you made looks great. I also like the script B on the hat. I always thought they should ditch the bird on the hat and just have the script O (not the current O’s.)
teebz: I concede with prejudice…though to my eyes…the end of the Whalers jersey’s were a dark blue/Navy, while everything else I find (except Wikipedia) says “Blue”…. I dont agree wtih this …but I will offer an olive branch with a side of bruschetta
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[quote comment=”320539″]
I’m with you on most of that…but I can’t be too hard on the Carolina fans, a lot of whom I’m pals with and are as rabid and loyal of hockey fans as you’ll find. I dragged one of my ex-roommates to the opener back in ’97 against the Pens, and it completely took hold. Karmanos is a sleaze, and all things being equal, I’d rather there was a Hartford Whalers than a Carolina Hurricanes, but the fans are good, and it sure ain’t their fault.[/quote]
I totally agree with you, Rob. I’m not blaming the fans at all. In fact, I commend the people in North Carolina for adopting a sport they had little contact with previously. And they blew the roof off the RBC Arena during their Stanley Cup run, so kudos to them. :o)
On my Carolina Hurricanes team brand guide it says their “official colors” are as follows:
-Red PMS 186
-Metallic Silver PMS 877
-Flat Silver PMS 429
-Black PMS Process Black
This is what logos on demand provides all teams and licensed users. Notice that there is NOT a “white”? There is “official” and there is “unofficial”. I believe you claim a “primary” as your brand and a “secondary” as your – dare I say – secondary brand. The black that comes into play as a trim is part of the brand originally. In the case of the Canes the black is vital to their brand because it is actually an element to the hurricane warning flag or their secondary logo. When say the Mets add black its for black sake. IMHO
[quote comment=”320541″]teebz: I concede with prejudice…though to my eyes…the end of the Whalers jersey’s were a dark blue/Navy, while everything else I find (except Wikipedia) says “Blue”…. I dont agree wtih this …but I will offer an olive branch with a side of bruschetta
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I’m not disagreeing at all, Peter. I was just stating the SSUR’s info. Personally, I like the navy jersey a lot. If I had one, it would have Shanahan’s #94 on it.
Love the Whale. It ranks highly on my list. :o)
[quote comment=”320543″]On my Carolina Hurricanes team brand guide it says their “official colors” are as follows:
-Red PMS 186
-Metallic Silver PMS 877
-Flat Silver PMS 429
-Black PMS Process Black
This is what logos on demand provides all teams and licensed users. Notice that there is NOT a “white”? There is “official” and there is “unofficial”. I believe you claim a “primary” as your brand and a “secondary” as your – dare I say – secondary brand. The black that comes into play as a trim is part of the brand originally. In the case of the Canes the black is vital to their brand because it is actually an element to the hurricane warning flag or their secondary logo. When say the Mets add black its for black sake. IMHO[/quote]
So a black jersey is vital to their existance?
Again, why not introduce the black jersey in 1997 then? Or 1998 when alternates really took off? Why wait until 2008?
Because it is the definition of black for black’s sake, that’s why.
What would have happened if the Hurricanes, in 1997, used black as an away jersey rather than red? Would you be this upset if their third jersey was now red (which would have been the main color of the logo, as well as accents)?
If you go back to the very first New England Whalers, the colors were Dartmouth (Forest) Green, White and Black.
Regarding Carolina, there’s as much black in the logo as there is red. I imagine that’s why they’d consider black an option they have. That logo could just as easily have been done in red and silver/gray, but it wasn’t. It’s half-and-half red and black.
That IS the original Hurricanes logo, right? Or did the black get added somewhere along the line?
[quote comment=”320540″]Joe — nice job on the mashup logo. My fantasy team name is the Bohemian Nationals and I use the Mr. Boh head as well.
Paulie — love your versions of the uniforms. The Orioles are going to have a black jersey with Baltimore on it. It will be their road batting practice jerseys that might make it in for a game. The only problem is that it has the orange and white marks under the arm. The solid one you made looks great. I also like the script B on the hat. I always thought they should ditch the bird on the hat and just have the script O (not the current O’s.)[/quote]
I’m very picky when it comes to Orioles stuff, so that being said the only problem I have with the O’s comps Paulie did was that I’m not a fan of inconsistent/conflicting bird logo styles. To me it looks kind of strange when you have the 80’s cartoon bird on the sleeve with the current “real” bird on the hat. I hated when the team used the “fun bird” patch a few years back.
The cartoon bird sleeve patch I think would be a nice addition to the alternate though because they wear the “O’s” hat, thus no bird conflicts.
Here’s the Twins concept I had done previously (just redid it using this uni template). It’s a nod to the past, yet is its own entity because it’s not a direct copy of anything that has existed throughout team history. For those who say the Twins have no piping history, that’s not exactly true. Current navy alternates have red piping. I submitted this to the club a few years back, but it never went anywhere.
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– Navy TC cap (current home cap)
– White with navy piping on top and pants
– Classic Twins script in navy with red outline
– No player number on front
– Classic M-StP Twins patch on left sleve (same as on current 2009 throwbacks)
– Block lettering on back in navy with red outline
– Player name in navy (no outline). Depicted with radial arch, but would prefer vertical arch.
[quote comment=”320546″]What would have happened if the Hurricanes, in 1997, used black as an away jersey rather than red? Would you be this upset if their third jersey was now red (which would have been the main color of the logo, as well as accents)?[/quote]
Nope. Because then they would be black-and-white as their PRIMARY colours. That’s how they would be identified.
Or they would look like the Sabres did in 1997: link.
It’s not just the Canes’ black uniform I have an issue with. San Jose falls into the alternate jersey epic fail as well. Don’t think this is a crusade against the Hurricanes whatsoever. It’s a crusade against black as a jersey colour for teams desperate for an alternate.
I have more respect for Nashville’s puke green jersey than I do for San Jose’s or Carolina’s black option. And that’s saying a lot for me.
[quote comment=\”320450\”]I was wondering if someone out there could help me. I\’ve been searching online and cannot find any photos from the following games:
1. 1994 Denver Broncos at Buffalo Bills. I think this was a Monday Night game. The Broncos wore the road version of their 1963 jersey. The Bills wore their red helmet fauxbacks. I have video of the game from the Broncos\’ season highlights but I\’m looking for stills. Game not on the 75th Anniversary link.
2. 2005 Atlanta Braves at Milwaukee Brewers (dressed as Braves). I\’m not positive of the year, but I think it was from \’05. Night game. Milwaukee wore their late fifties throwbacks and the concept was Braves vs. Braves. I saw mention on Wikipedia of it being done also in 2006 but again, no photos.
Any help is greatly appreciated.[/quote]
I haven’t read all the comments yet, so maybe this has already been answered. I know that one of these games was played on Friday May 14, 2004. I was there. Hopefully that helps. I would love to see more pics.
“Because it is the definition of black for black’s sake, that’s why.”
Didn’t the Chicago Bulls go to black after many, many seasons of red with black and white trim? Hard to say that was black for black’s sake. Black sure as heck was one of their colors all along.
Now, the Mets, or A’s, or Oregon. and plenty of others, THAT’s black or black’s sake.
Teebz, I’m just sayin that they have the right to black as a part of their “brand”. A team like the Mets or the Red Wings or the Colts or the Celts adding black is black for black sakes. Meaning it’s not in their original mix and it’s a trend choice. Carolina didn’t intro a black jersey until this season but don’t you think it’s within their branding reach due to the fact that it was originally in their brand color scheme?
[quote comment=”320470″][quote comment=”320450″]
2. 2005 Atlanta Braves at Milwaukee Brewers (dressed as Braves).[/quote]
This game was 08/26/05. I can’t find any pics with both teams in the same shot, but here are a couple individual, including Ben Sheets in the Milwaukee Braves uniform (love that hat):
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I was at that game and regret not taking a camera with me. I usually bring a camera for the “throwback” games, (including the slightly baggy, but otherwise wonderful Negro League Milwaukee Bears uniforms link).
However, that is the game in which Ben Sheets tore a muscle in his underarm, an injury from which he never really recovered. We are now paying for more of Sheets’ rehab (though he is not under contract) and lost draft pick compensation (he was a Class A free agent). Let us no more speak of that day!
Ok I have one thing to say about the article and the alts and I have to say they are AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! Best article I have seen yet.
Is it possible that I could borrow the Mets stuff and post it on my Mets blog tomorrow?
Let me know ASAP
I don’t have any complaints about most of these concepts. All decent, if not exceptional work.
But that final Twins concept just doesn’t work.
I’m a devoted Twins fan, but I’m not one who believes the team’s look is beyond reproach. The typeface of this concept in particular is what’s so off-putting. I’d much prefer a script, perhaps a modernized version from their original uniforms.
[quote comment=”320547″]If you go back to the very first New England Whalers, the colors were Dartmouth (Forest) Green, White and Black.
Regarding Carolina, there’s as much black in the logo as there is red. I imagine that’s why they’d consider black an option they have. That logo could just as easily have been done in red and silver/gray, but it wasn’t. It’s half-and-half red and black.
That IS the original Hurricanes logo, right? Or did the black get added somewhere along the line?[/quote]
It has always been this way. Here’s the “gotcha” if you will:
Not only did they introduce the black jersey, they also blacked out the Hurricanes’ logo on the shoulder. They eliminated colour they already had. They made white the outline colour for everything so that the black would contrast more. They used gray so that the white wouldn’t stand out as much against the black. I had posted link before, and I think they missed the boat entirely by not using more white and red – the two colours they use so well at the moment.
I’d give that mock-up passing grades if they had just used colour.
[quote comment=”320552″]”Because it is the definition of black for black’s sake, that’s why.”
Didn’t the Chicago Bulls go to black after many, many seasons of red with black and white trim? Hard to say that was black for black’s sake. Black sure as heck was one of their colors all along.
Now, the Mets, or A’s, or Oregon. and plenty of others, THAT’s black or black’s sake.[/quote]
Thats what I’m getting at. Black for black sake is when a team wears black just for the fucking hell of it even though black isn’t one of their colors. Like when Virginia Tech wore black basketball jerseys in 2003, that was black for blacks sake. Or Texas A&M’s alternates, or the Coyotes, A’s, Mets, Royals, Miami Hurricanes basketball etc. You know, where the black just comes out of nowhere. For teams like the Flyers, Blackhawks, Hurricanes, Sharks, etc, I can’t fault them for that because black has been used since the beginning, and its really not black for blacks sake, its more of ‘black to utilize a team color’.
Granted, that doesn’t mean the jerseys are great (though, I still like the Hurricanes… would like it a lot more if the flag pattern was removed from the alts) it just means that its acceptable and not ‘BFBS’
[quote comment=”320555″]Ok I have one thing to say about the article and the alts and I have to say they are AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! Best article I have seen yet.
Is it possible that I could borrow the Mets stuff and post it on my Mets blog tomorrow?
Let me know ASAP[/quote]
it’s fine by me, but it’s paulie’s work, so you’d need his OK…lemme see if i can track him down
[quote comment=”320557″][quote comment=”320547″]If you go back to the very first New England Whalers, the colors were Dartmouth (Forest) Green, White and Black.
Regarding Carolina, there’s as much black in the logo as there is red. I imagine that’s why they’d consider black an option they have. That logo could just as easily have been done in red and silver/gray, but it wasn’t. It’s half-and-half red and black.
That IS the original Hurricanes logo, right? Or did the black get added somewhere along the line?[/quote]
It has always been this way. Here’s the “gotcha” if you will:
Not only did they introduce the black jersey, they also blacked out the Hurricanes’ logo on the shoulder. They eliminated colour they already had. They made white the outline colour for everything so that the black would contrast more. They used gray so that the white wouldn’t stand out as much against the black. I had posted link before, and I think they missed the boat entirely by not using more white and red – the two colours they use so well at the moment.
I’d give that mock-up passing grades if they had just used colour.[/quote]
Not a fan of this mock-up due to the inaccurate checker pattern at the base of the jersey. I mean, it’s pretty specific what a hurricane warning flag is…black square within a red square. Now you’re doing design alt for design sakes ;P
[quote comment=”320553″]Teebz, I’m just sayin that they have the right to black as a part of their “brand”. A team like the Mets or the Red Wings or the Colts or the Celts adding black is black for black sakes. Meaning it’s not in their original mix and it’s a trend choice. Carolina didn’t intro a black jersey until this season but don’t you think it’s within their branding reach due to the fact that it was originally in their brand color scheme?[/quote]
They could have chosen silver, which is in their branding scheme. But they didn’t. They chose black. Just to have a black jersey like everyone else did four years ago.
Nothing says intimidation like a black jersey. I guess that’s why the Flyers went back to orange.
[quote comment=”320561″][quote comment=”320553″]Teebz, I’m just sayin that they have the right to black as a part of their “brand”. A team like the Mets or the Red Wings or the Colts or the Celts adding black is black for black sakes. Meaning it’s not in their original mix and it’s a trend choice. Carolina didn’t intro a black jersey until this season but don’t you think it’s within their branding reach due to the fact that it was originally in their brand color scheme?[/quote]
They could have chosen silver, which is in their branding scheme. But they didn’t. They chose black. Just to have a black jersey like everyone else did four years ago.
Nothing says intimidation like a black jersey. I guess that’s why the Flyers went back to orange.[/quote]
Hey, now you’re onto something…a silver jersey? I like that…what color pants? ;P
[quote comment=”320552″]Didn’t the Chicago Bulls go to black after many, many seasons of red with black and white trim? Hard to say that was black for black’s sake. Black sure as heck was one of their colors all along.[/quote]
Bulls have been red and black since day one. The third jersey was black and they adopted it once the NBA either ordered or at least encouraged a third jersey.
If there are any third jersey tracking websites out there, I’d love to hear about them. The Bulls seem to have some favored “sites” for breaking out the black. Canada and at least one of the games on the Texas Triangle are a couple that spring to mind. So if anyone has seen a site that lists out exactly where/when we’ve seen the third jerseys: pass it along please. :-)
[quote comment=”320560″]
Not a fan of this mock-up due to the inaccurate checker pattern at the base of the jersey. I mean, it’s pretty specific what a hurricane warning flag is…black square within a red square. Now you’re doing design alt for design sakes ;P[/quote]
Except that they didn’t base that checker pattern off the hurricane warning flag. It’s link. You need to send your complaints to Peter Karmanos because neither he nor the design team that created this jersey knows what a hurricane warning flag is.
All I did was add colour to the uncolourful.
I love it when this Teebz guy gets all riled up. It’s hilarious reading (skimming) his 14 page manifestos about how awful black is as a jersey color in response to someone’s one line comment.
Bro, it’s the internet. Just because someone likes a black jersey doesn’t mean the world is going to end. Step away from the computer. There are things more important than the 4 hours you’ve wasted of your employer’s time writing responses today (not to mention every other work day).
[quote comment=”320562″]
Hey, now you’re onto something…a silver jersey? I like that…what color pants? ;P[/quote]
I’d stick with red. It breaks up the unitard look. LOL
What I liked about one of the Life sets of Packers photos is the training shots where the players wear link. Another link. (What’s with the older helmet?)
Coach Lombardi is wearing a link.
link
[quote comment=”320565″]I love it when this Teebz guy gets all riled up. It’s hilarious reading (skimming) his 14 page manifestos about how awful black is as a jersey color in response to someone’s one line comment.
Bro, it’s the internet. Just because someone likes a black jersey doesn’t mean the world is going to end. Step away from the computer. There are things more important than the 4 hours you’ve wasted of your employer’s time writing responses today (not to mention every other work day).[/quote]
Bro, it’s the internet. How much time did you waste reading and responding?
As for “wasting” my employer’s time, some of us multi-taskers are phenomenally efficient. When you have eight or nine windows open on the same screen, you’d be surprised at how much you can get done. But I guess you’re just a one-window kind of guy, eh?
[quote comment=”320566″][quote comment=”320562″]
Hey, now you’re onto something…a silver jersey? I like that…what color pants? ;P[/quote]
I’d stick with red. It breaks up the unitard look. LOL[/quote]
Yep, Red would be my choice too.
BTW, keep doin your thang Teebz…theres plenty of us that enjoy your input no matter how long it s brother
[quote comment=”320569″][quote comment=”320566″][quote comment=”320562″]
Hey, now you’re onto something…a silver jersey? I like that…what color pants? ;P[/quote]
I’d stick with red. It breaks up the unitard look. LOL[/quote]
Yep, Red would be my choice too.
BTW, keep doin your thang Teebz…theres plenty of us that enjoy your input no matter how long it s brother[/quote]
You’ll have to pry this mouse from my cold, dead hands. LOL
The Braves alternate got me to thinking. Can someone post a picture of the “screaming” Indian brave that used to grace the uniform sleeve? He was either screaming, laughing, whatever, but he was awesome. Political correctness did him in – wasn’t he named Chief Nockahoma or something?
Anyway, BRING HIM BACK! NOW!
[quote comment=”320564″][quote comment=”320560″]
Not a fan of this mock-up due to the inaccurate checker pattern at the base of the jersey. I mean, it’s pretty specific what a hurricane warning flag is…black square within a red square. Now you’re doing design alt for design sakes ;P[/quote]
Except that they didn’t base that checker pattern off the hurricane warning flag. It’s link. You need to send your complaints to Peter Karmanos because neither he nor the design team that created this jersey knows what a hurricane warning flag is.
All I did was add colour to the uncolourful.[/quote]
Goddammit, Teebz, stop posting that on photobucket where its blocked here at work!
How am I supposed to argue if I can’t view the evidence??
FYI, the Canes mascot wears the black jersey with red breezers on alt jersey nights. I’ve taken a pic of it and will post when I get home so you can see what it looks like. Personally, I don’t like it… The red pants are just too much when everything else is black.
The Tigers actually tried an alternate with the “Tiger inside the D” logo a few years back. It looked link to the new design. They canned them after the first wear. The team president at the time said that was because “they didn’t look like the Tigers.”
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Also, the orange script has been previously used on link.
[quote comment=”320520″]
couple decent examples:
i go to pnc park to watch a pirates game
i go to heinz field to watch a steelers game
nobody here ever says they’re going to three river staduim… even though the new stadiums are within spitting distance from old three rivers stadium… and of course, located next to three rivers. lol
at this point, i fo to the civic arena to watch the pens… not mellon arena.
and when they open their new building (within spitting distance), i will go to the energy center to watch a pens game.
hope this helps…[/quote]
Pittsburgh outdoor: I think the overriding factor here is that I would never say “I’m going to Comiskey” when I was going to a baseball game: I’m going to the Sox game. Concerts or something like that: perhaps slightly different, but would you really be confused if the Stones were playing at Heniz Field but someone told you that they were going to see the Stones at either PNC or 3 Rivers?
Far, far more people that I know call them Comiskey or the Stadium. I wouldn’t be confused and show up somewhere else if someone started talking about going to the UC, but OTOH I’m not going to change for the sake of change either. :-)
Anyone from Boston? What’s the name of the place where the Celts/Bruins play? And do you call it that or “The Garden”?
[quote comment=”320563″][quote comment=”320552″]Didn’t the Chicago Bulls go to black after many, many seasons of red with black and white trim? Hard to say that was black for black’s sake. Black sure as heck was one of their colors all along.[/quote]
Bulls have been red and black since day one. The third jersey was black and they adopted it once the NBA either ordered or at least encouraged a third jersey.
If there are any third jersey tracking websites out there, I’d love to hear about them. The Bulls seem to have some favored “sites” for breaking out the black. Canada and at least one of the games on the Texas Triangle are a couple that spring to mind. So if anyone has seen a site that lists out exactly where/when we’ve seen the third jerseys: pass it along please. :-)[/quote]
I’d just like to know how many times they’ve worn those eyesores* this year. It seems like they’ve worn them more often than the red ones this season.
*I have no problem with the black unis. I just think the current version looks like crap. I can’t stand that block CHICAGO wordmark and the shiny fabric looks really low-rent. I say bring back the late-90s version with the red pinstripes
[quote comment=”320568″]When you have eight or nine windows open on the same screen, you’d be surprised at how much you can get done. [/quote]
That may be the greatest line I have ever read on here!
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How am I supposed to argue if I can’t view the evidence??[/quote]
Hey, I didn’t know it was blocked. link from the Canes site. ;o)
I hope that link worked. I guess we’ll find out. LOL
[quote comment=”320572″]FYI, the Canes mascot wears the black jersey with red breezers on alt jersey nights. I’ve taken a pic of it and will post when I get home so you can see what it looks like. Personally, I don’t like it… The red pants are just too much when everything else is black.[/quote]
I like the red breezers simply because they don’t have the unitard look with the black breezers. It breaks up the black which, in smaller portions, is entirely more palatable and far more acceptable to me. I like colour, specifically the red of the Hurricanes.
I like the Mets treatment — EXCEPT for the dreaded tail under the Mets on the snow white jersey.
That was an abomination when added in 1993, and quickly dismissed. It’s a reminder of one of the team’s worst periods, too.
Nothing good comes from the tail.
[quote comment=”320574″]What’s the name of the place where the Celts/Bruins play? And do you call it that or “The Garden”?[/quote]
Yes.
Teebz: since the Canes use Red/black…what aboot team canada’s use of black / red …would this help your argument that black is an accent and not a primary color? (but in all fairness…Team canada’s Logo is 1/3 black….)
[quote comment=”320494″]Just wondering, what do you call Toyota Field, where the Chicago Fire play? Do you call it Soldier Field (since they played there before)…or do you call it something else without “Toyota” included? Or do you not refer to it all since soccer is not a sport?[/quote]The answer to the first question is “Bridgeview”.
I haven’t been to a soccer game at either Soldier Field or anywhere else. I have been to a concert at Bridgeview, and I can’t recall ANYONE who I went with saying “we’re off to Toyota Park”. I couldn’t even tell you what they call the World Music Theater in Tinley these days. But if someone said the were either going to the World or to Tinley, I probably would recognize the place quicker that way. Whatever corporate name it has wouldn’t make me think of Tinley any sooner than it would make me think of either the bandstand at Meigs or even Milwaukee.
OTOH, if they had built a combo American Football/Soccer stadium directly across LSD from Soldier Field and knocked down Soldier Field, I think I would call it Soldier Field no matter what corporate name they slapped on it.
Long answer short: big diference when you leave the old place standing (and still used quite often) plus when you move 15 miles away.
[quote comment=”320580″]Teebz: since the Canes use Red/black…what aboot team canada’s use of black / red …would this help your argument that black is an accent and not a primary color? (but in all fairness…Team canada’s Logo is 1/3 black….)[/quote]
No. I’ve never really liked the black in Hockey Canada’s logo.
[sarcasm]And the black jerseys are entirely patriotic for the red-and-white Canadian fans. Entirely. The black on our flag screams Canada.[/sarcasm] LOL
[quote comment=”320571″]The Braves alternate got me to thinking. Can someone post a picture of the “screaming” Indian brave that used to grace the uniform sleeve? He was either screaming, laughing, whatever, but he was awesome. Political correctness did him in – wasn’t he named Chief Nockahoma or something?
[/quote]
Chief Noc-A-Homa.
Not to be confused with the mascot of the same name.
Of course, there’s the matter of the curse associated with the mascot and the removing of his tepee to sell more tickets.
I seem to have inadvertently started a battle. From what I can tell, the short answer is:
“The problem is black when it is not a team’s main color; however it can be difficult to determine if black is, indeed, one of the team’s main colors.”
Sorry for inciting Ragnarok: the Prequel.
[quote comment=”320567″]What I liked about one of the Life sets of Packers photos is the training shots where the players wear link. Another link. (What’s with the older helmet?)
Coach Lombardi is wearing a link.
link[/quote]
When the cap matches his number? Hell, that guy’s FACE matches his number.
The picture with Lombardi: I wonder if that was taken at the HS stadium where the Packers played pre-Lambeau?
(Looks like there’s a story behind featuring #79 and having the pig wear a #79 sweater. Maybe the opening of what became Lambeau Field?
On the Cubs, I totally disagree that the “angry bear” is better than the “walking bear within C” logo. Besides that fact that the angry bear doesn’t look very angry, the walking bear if far more traditional – first appeared in walking form in 1916, and is much closer to the original bear within C 1908 logo.
The “angry bear’ was lame when it first appeared and still is.
[quote comment=”320584″]I seem to have inadvertently started a battle. From what I can tell, the short answer is:
“The problem is black when it is not a team’s main color; however it can be difficult to determine if black is, indeed, one of the team’s main colors.”
Sorry for inciting Ragnarok: the Prequel.[/quote]
No way, Jamie! This is why we flock here like the swallows of San Juan Capistrano! (Obscure enough reference?) LOL
Paulie… gotta say, man…
LOVE the work you’ve done both today and in the past. If baseball looked this good, you might be able to pull me off the ice. ;o)
[quote comment=”320493″]its still the Gund and the Jake to me in cleveland.[/quote]
Good point.
I’d say there’s less resistance to “civic” names than there is to corporate names.
I had never thought of that before I read your post.
[quote comment=”320567″]link[/quote]
did they eat him after the game?
Following up from the Frozen Sixteen discussion over the weekend, here are my pictures from the East Regional (Michigan, Air Force, Vermont, Yale). Sorry for the two-day delay.
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[quote comment=”320578″]I like the Mets treatment — EXCEPT for the dreaded tail under the Mets on the snow white jersey.
That was an abomination when added in 1993, and quickly dismissed. It’s a reminder of one of the team’s worst periods, too.
Nothing good comes from the tail.[/quote]
Agreed. I hated the “Metspos” look when it first appeared in 1993-94, and I still hate it. This version has the advantage of using a proper M, unlike the hatchet job of ’93-94. But there’s nothing wrong with the classic Mets script, once you get rid of the black shadowing.
One other reason I like the Canes 3rd jerseys…
they don’t have that fucking shoulder piping to them the other ones have… I hate that shit
[quote comment=”320538″][quote comment=”320534″]
When I look at a hurricane warning flag I see red and black (no white). When I look at the Carolina Hurricanes logo, I see red, black, and white. Not sure what the fuss is about regarding using black in their unis.[/quote]
I see a white uniform with red, silver and black accents.
I see a red uniform with white, silver, and black accents.
I see red numbers and letters accented by black on the rear of the white jersey.
I see white numbers and letters accented by black on rear of the red jersey.
I see black accents all over the place, but it hasn’t been used for primarily anything except accents. So should it be a primary colour?
“Primary” indicates it would be the first thing you think of in a colour scheme. Carolina is red and white. ‘Nuff said.[/quote]
Then every team is one color and white. The trouble is that every team is forced to have a white jersey. There are only two teams that actually have white as a primary color, and those are the Wings and the Leafs. Devils have a red jersey with black accents, yet they’re red and black.
If this was soccer where you could do a change strip instead of a road jersey, you would have a point about the base color of a jersey. However, until that happens judging a team’s colors off of the league required white jersey is a little unfair to every team in the league that has a two color identity.
Black has always been a hurricanes color. Get over it.
[quote comment=”320481″]I’d say one big reason the Sox don’t continue to wear Comiskey Park logo is because Reinsdorf changed the name of the stadium.
:-(
Besides that, I’m thinking that picture is from 91 the inaugural season at New Comiskey. Frank looks awfully young.[/quote]
Nope. The patch was link. And sorry to the anti-corporate name crowd, but the awful truth is that US Cellular Field is a much nicer ballpark than New Comiskey Park was.
[quote comment=”320593″]One other reason I like the Canes 3rd jerseys…
they don’t have that fucking shoulder piping to them the other ones have… I hate that shit[/quote]
The apron strings/Bettman bib are incredibly annoying, for sure. I can no longer watch Oilers games when they aren’t wearing their alternates.
ESPN has projected the Reds as a darkhorse team in the NL Central this year. Their potential success can surely be a direct result of their vintage cartoon mascot sleeve patch! As Paul said, hopefully of ther teams will follow suit.
[quote comment=”320594″]
There are only two teams that actually have white as a primary color, and those are the Wings and the Leafs.
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That’s a pretty bold statement considering the variety of colours out there.
Check the link. How many have white listed as a primary colour? I’ll save you the time – all of them. Why? Because it is worn by every team on the road.
Just because it’s listed as a “primary colour”, however, doesn’t mean you have to use it as a jersey colour. Atlanta wore their light blue jerseys on the road occasionally. Pittsburgh did the same.
[quote comment=”320590″][quote comment=”320567″]link[/quote]
did they eat him after the game?[/quote]
A motorist stops to ask directions from a man sitting on the porch of a Wisconsin farmhouse and is amazed to see a three-legged pig sitting at the farmer’s feet. “That’s a weird-looking pig,” the motorist says.
The farmer is furious. “Don’t you ever say anything bad about this pig!” he says.
“Just last week my wife and I were sleeping, and a fire broke out. This pig dragged us both to safety…AND went back in for the Packer season tickets.
“Last month a drunken Bears fan broke into the house trying to steal my lamp made out of a Packers helmet and my game-used Bret Favre sweat socks. The pig knocked him down, dialed 911 with his snout and sat on him until the police arrived. So don’t ever say anything bad about him.”
“I’m sorry,” the motorist says. “But what’s the deal with the three legs?”
“Mister,” the farmer says, “a pig like this you don’t eat all at once.”
[quote comment=”320574″]“What’s the name of the place where the Celts/Bruins play? And do you call it that or ‘The Garden’?”[/quote]
Olbermann called it “Enima Center” back in his ESPN salad days.
And Paulie, remember, “Phillies” is “Filis” en espanol.
[quote comment=”320598″][quote comment=”320594″]
There are only two teams that actually have white as a primary color, and those are the Wings and the Leafs.
[/quote]
That’s a pretty bold statement considering the variety of colours out there.
Check the link. How many have white listed as a primary colour? I’ll save you the time – all of them. Why? Because it is worn by every team on the road.
Just because it’s listed as a “primary colour”, however, doesn’t mean you have to use it as a jersey colour. Atlanta wore their light blue jerseys on the road occasionally. Pittsburgh did the same.[/quote]
If you’re going to use that argument, you have to recognize that black is a main color of the Hurricanes too- it’s on the same list.
Look at the order. the most primary color of a team is always listed first, then in descending order of what the team considers their importance. Primary colors tend to be the first two or three, depending on how many a team has. There are exactly two (active) teams that list white as the second color. Two. The ones I already named.
And the Hurricanes have worn their black on the road as well. Does that make it their official road jersey?
An interesting note in an e-mail I received from the Denver Broncos today:
“The Broncos will be wearing the old brown and yellow jerseys for two home games this season.”
I was under the assumption they were going to wear them twice (ala home and away), so does this mean they (and other AFL teams) might end up wearing the throwbacks up to 4 times this season?
[quote comment=”320602″]”The Broncos will be wearing the old brown and yellow jerseys for two home games this season.”[/quote]
Old Brown? Is this a legitmate name of a color?
I’ll be the first to admit I’m not a color expert.
[quote comment=”320590″]did they eat him after the game?[/quote]
And if the game was in Georgia, I don’t even want to talk about what may have happened with that pig.
[quote comment=”320555″]Ok I have one thing to say about the article and the alts and I have to say they are AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! Best article I have seen yet.
Is it possible that I could borrow the Mets stuff and post it on my Mets blog tomorrow?
Let me know ASAP[/quote]
OK…alex…i spoke with paulie and you may use his work on your blog (please make sure to properly credit him though)
(i also sent an email to the address you have listed, in case you do not see this reply)
Not to dis Pretty Boy because I like his concept but I was floating around the Chris Creamer Fourms and found a concept I like even better.
Fourm Post
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Home
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Just thought I’d throw this out there
[quote comment=”320601″][quote comment=”320598″][quote comment=”320594″]
There are only two teams that actually have white as a primary color, and those are the Wings and the Leafs.
[/quote]
That’s a pretty bold statement considering the variety of colours out there.
Check the link. How many have white listed as a primary colour? I’ll save you the time – all of them. Why? Because it is worn by every team on the road.
Just because it’s listed as a “primary colour”, however, doesn’t mean you have to use it as a jersey colour. Atlanta wore their light blue jerseys on the road occasionally. Pittsburgh did the same.[/quote]
If you’re going to use that argument, you have to recognize that black is a main color of the Hurricanes too- it’s on the same list.
Look at the order. the most primary color of a team is always listed first, then in descending order of what the team considers their importance. Primary colors tend to be the first two or three, depending on how many a team has. There are exactly two (active) teams that list white as the second color. Two. The ones I already named.
And the Hurricanes have worn their black on the road as well. Does that make it their official road jersey?[/quote]
Just out of curiosity, would most people say the Blackhawks’ dominant color is: black or red? According to that list, it would be red. I say black is way more prevalent in their overall color scheme.
We’ll ignore the alts because that’ll definitely tip the scales, but if you look at their home unis, the red/black ratio is about 55/45 (possibly 60/40). On the road set, there’s hardly any red compared to the black. It’s like a 90/10 black to red ratio. Overall, that makes it like 65/35 black/red.
Vintage Braves softball unis. I remember this day very well—Apr 04, 74.
The day before, the area was WHACKED by BAD tornadoes. Whoo, wee.
link
Speaking of brown, I’d like to see the Padres back in brown. It would work with their road beige, and set them apart from all the other teams that use blue.
[quote comment=”320601″]
And the Hurricanes have worn their black on the road as well. Does that make it their official road jersey?[/quote]
By your argument, the Thrashers have “Atlanta Midnight Blue” as their primary colour, but haven’t worn dark blue at home since 2005-06. And the Penguins list yellow as their second colour when it clearly is NOT yellow.
What is clear is this: black is a part of the Hurricanes’ colour scheme as an accent colour only.
[quote comment=”320590″][quote comment=”320567″]link[/quote]
did they eat him after the game?[/quote]
It’s Wisconsin. Poor thing never stood a chance.
[quote comment=”320607″]
Just out of curiosity, would most people say the Blackhawks’ dominant color is: black or red? According to that list, it would be red. I say black is way more prevalent in their overall color scheme.
We’ll ignore the alts because that’ll definitely tip the scales, but if you look at their home unis, the red/black ratio is about 55/45 (possibly 60/40). On the road set, there’s hardly any red compared to the black. It’s like a 90/10 black to red ratio. Overall, that makes it like 65/35 black/red.[/quote]
But they wear an entirely red jersey as their road uniform. How is there more black?
I kinda like the black alts for teams that have black as a color (aka white sox, Marlins), but I HATE when teams like Florida State, U of Miami, etc., where black isn’t even any kind of trim color, suddenly have black alts. Also not a fan of teams that add black to be a trim color when for a long time it was not (aka Lions, Mets).
[quote comment=”320498″]Thank you for creating the alternate Tigers jersey. Now whenever anyone complains about the inconsistency between the uniform “D” and the cap “D”, I can show them how dumb it looks to have them match. The jersey “D” on the cap looks cheap…like a knock-off by someone who didn’t know any better.
Also, most people in Detroit dislike the “Tiger in the D” logo. It is probably because we associate it with the crappy teams of the 90’s who played in a crumbling Tiger Stadium (Thank you very much, Mike Illitch…). It is funny because most people outside of the Detroit area love that logo and wonder why it isn’t used anymore.[/quote]
most people in detroit? what 4 out of the 7 who are still there?
[quote comment=”320612″][quote comment=”320607″]
Just out of curiosity, would most people say the Blackhawks’ dominant color is: black or red? According to that list, it would be red. I say black is way more prevalent in their overall color scheme.
We’ll ignore the alts because that’ll definitely tip the scales, but if you look at their home unis, the red/black ratio is about 55/45 (possibly 60/40). On the road set, there’s hardly any red compared to the black. It’s like a 90/10 black to red ratio. Overall, that makes it like 65/35 black/red.[/quote]
But they wear an entirely red jersey as their road uniform. How is there more black?[/quote]
Whatchootalkinbout, Teebz? You feeling OK?
The jersey at the bottom of link is what they usually wear on the road.
[quote comment=”320595″]Nope. The patch was link.[/quote]Yep: but you have to admit its certainly reminiscent of what Frank was wearing (or vice versa). :-)
And it looks like the inaugural season patch was on the right shculder: link
Looks cold that day, doesn’t it?
And I wonder what Frank is wearing on his right sleeve?
[quote comment=”320595″]And sorry to the anti-corporate name crowd, but the awful truth is that US Cellular Field is a much nicer ballpark than New Comiskey Park was.[/quote]Ah, but now you’re drawing a cause-and-effect relationship where there’s no definite evidence to say this is the only reason. Jerry had started revising the ballmall even before USCell ponied up. I think he would have found other funding sources if naming rights hadn’t been in vogue (or as lucrative). As a pretty astute businessman, I think he realizes the value of the remodels.
[quote comment=”320614″][quote comment=”320498″]Thank you for creating the alternate Tigers jersey. Now whenever anyone complains about the inconsistency between the uniform “D” and the cap “D”, I can show them how dumb it looks to have them match. The jersey “D” on the cap looks cheap…like a knock-off by someone who didn’t know any better.
Also, most people in Detroit dislike the “Tiger in the D” logo. It is probably because we associate it with the crappy teams of the 90’s who played in a crumbling Tiger Stadium (Thank you very much, Mike Illitch…). It is funny because most people outside of the Detroit area love that logo and wonder why it isn’t used anymore.[/quote]
most people in detroit? what 4 out of the 7 who are still there?[/quote]
Seven? No they’re down to six since the Waggoner’s have moved. :-)
[quote comment=”320615″][quote comment=”320612″][quote comment=”320607″]
Just out of curiosity, would most people say the Blackhawks’ dominant color is: black or red? According to that list, it would be red. I say black is way more prevalent in their overall color scheme.
We’ll ignore the alts because that’ll definitely tip the scales, but if you look at their home unis, the red/black ratio is about 55/45 (possibly 60/40). On the road set, there’s hardly any red compared to the black. It’s like a 90/10 black to red ratio. Overall, that makes it like 65/35 black/red.[/quote]
But they wear an entirely red jersey as their road uniform. How is there more black?[/quote]
Whatchootalkinbout, Teebz? You feeling OK?
The jersey at the bottom of link is what they usually wear on the road.[/quote]
Crap!!! I’ve been looking at 1990s pics on that site for the last hour in my black-is-back in that examination. LOL
Ok, they use an entirely red jersey at HOME. Mea culpa, my bad, and all that. LOL
[quote comment=”320611″]It’s Wisconsin. Poor thing never stood a chance.[/quote]Disagree: post game those drunks aren’t eating anything that could run or fight back.
Cheese and/or pretzels, ya hey dere.
[quote comment=”320599″][quote comment=”320590″][quote comment=”320567″]link[/quote]
did they eat him after the game?[/quote]
A motorist stops to ask directions from a man sitting on the porch of a Wisconsin farmhouse and is amazed to see a three-legged pig sitting at the farmer’s feet. “That’s a weird-looking pig,” the motorist says.
The farmer is furious. “Don’t you ever say anything bad about this pig!” he says.
“Just last week my wife and I were sleeping, and a fire broke out. This pig dragged us both to safety…AND went back in for the Packer season tickets.
“Last month a drunken Bears fan broke into the house trying to steal my lamp made out of a Packers helmet and my game-used Bret Favre sweat socks. The pig knocked him down, dialed 911 with his snout and sat on him until the police arrived. So don’t ever say anything bad about him.”
“I’m sorry,” the motorist says. “But what’s the deal with the three legs?”
“Mister,” the farmer says, “a pig like this you don’t eat all at once.”[/quote]
link
[quote comment=”320609″]Speaking of brown, I’d like to see the Padres back in brown. It would work with their road beige, and set them apart from all the other teams that use blue.[/quote]
Here is another link from the CC forum hope you like. Not my design.
Also includes a twins redesign if anyone is interested.
[quote comment=”320618″]Crap!!! I’ve been looking at 1990s pics on that site for the last hour in my black-is-back in that examination. LOL
Ok, they use an entirely red jersey at HOME. Mea culpa, my bad, and all that. LOL[/quote]
AGAIN with the disrespecting of an Original Six franchise. That’s twice within the last 4-5 days here. Dis here blog ain’t doin tha right ting.
[quote comment=”320585″]
Looks like there’s a story behind featuring #79 and having the pig wear a #79 sweater. Maybe the opening of what became Lambeau Field?[/quote]
OK, #79 is Dave Hanner whose nickname was Hawg. So I guess the fans were having some fun with that.
At least he got to go to the game, unlike this link
[quote comment=”320618″][quote comment=”320615″][quote comment=”320612″][quote comment=”320607″]
Just out of curiosity, would most people say the Blackhawks’ dominant color is: black or red? According to that list, it would be red. I say black is way more prevalent in their overall color scheme.
We’ll ignore the alts because that’ll definitely tip the scales, but if you look at their home unis, the red/black ratio is about 55/45 (possibly 60/40). On the road set, there’s hardly any red compared to the black. It’s like a 90/10 black to red ratio. Overall, that makes it like 65/35 black/red.[/quote]
But they wear an entirely red jersey as their road uniform. How is there more black?[/quote]
Whatchootalkinbout, Teebz? You feeling OK?
The jersey at the bottom of link is what they usually wear on the road.[/quote]
Crap!!! I’ve been looking at 1990s pics on that site for the last hour in my black-is-back in that examination. LOL
Ok, they use an entirely red jersey at HOME. Mea culpa, my bad, and all that. LOL[/quote]
Ha! And I’m not going just by the jersey, I’m talking about the whole ball of wax — helmet, pants and socks included. that’s how I arrived at that 60/40 red vs. black at home.
[quote comment=”320622″][quote comment=”320618″]Crap!!! I’ve been looking at 1990s pics on that site for the last hour in my black-is-back in that examination. LOL
Ok, they use an entirely red jersey at HOME. Mea culpa, my bad, and all that. LOL[/quote]
AGAIN with the disrespecting of an Original Six franchise. That’s twice within the last 4-5 days here. Dis here blog ain’t doin tha right ting.[/quote]
How is that disrespecting the ‘Hawks? I have a red ‘Hawks jersey in my closet. Swapping home and road isn’t really disrespectful, is it?
[quote comment=”320624″][quote comment=”320618″][quote comment=”320615″][quote comment=”320612″][quote comment=”320607″]
Just out of curiosity, would most people say the Blackhawks’ dominant color is: black or red? According to that list, it would be red. I say black is way more prevalent in their overall color scheme.
We’ll ignore the alts because that’ll definitely tip the scales, but if you look at their home unis, the red/black ratio is about 55/45 (possibly 60/40). On the road set, there’s hardly any red compared to the black. It’s like a 90/10 black to red ratio. Overall, that makes it like 65/35 black/red.[/quote]
But they wear an entirely red jersey as their road uniform. How is there more black?[/quote]
Whatchootalkinbout, Teebz? You feeling OK?
The jersey at the bottom of link is what they usually wear on the road.[/quote]
Crap!!! I’ve been looking at 1990s pics on that site for the last hour in my black-is-back in that examination. LOL
Ok, they use an entirely red jersey at HOME. Mea culpa, my bad, and all that. LOL[/quote]
Ha! And I’m not going just by the jersey, I’m talking about the whole ball of wax — helmet, pants and socks included. that’s how I arrived at that 60/40 red vs. black at home.[/quote]
Ahhh… ok. I gotcha now. :o)
[quote comment=”320616″]
[quote comment=”320595″]And sorry to the anti-corporate name crowd, but the awful truth is that US Cellular Field is a much nicer ballpark than New Comiskey Park was.[/quote]Ah, but now you’re drawing a cause-and-effect relationship where there’s no definite evidence to say this is the only reason. Jerry had started revising the ballmall even before USCell ponied up. I think he would have found other funding sources if naming rights hadn’t been in vogue (or as lucrative). As a pretty astute businessman, I think he realizes the value of the remodels.[/quote]
Oh, I wasn’t saying that US Cellular deserves the credit. I was just saying something to the effect of “the corporate name sucks, but at least you get something tangible back in exchange for the naming rights.” And to be honest I think “The Cell” is a kinda cool nickname.
I’m not saying… I’m just saying.
Or something.
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My spam word is “cell”
[quote comment=”320623″] At least he got to go to the game, unlike this link[/quote]
And doesn’t Max just look OVERJOYED to have that in his locker?
:-)
In other non-black-uniform-related news, the Hockey Hall of Fame is deciding to catch up with the rest of the world in accepting women into the HHOF.
link.
No offence, but it’s about frigging time.
[quote comment=”320627″]My spam word is “cell”[/quote]I got that one earlier in the day too! LOL! And rightnow: Gone. Sure, its not HeGawn, but it’s close.
I’m wating for either Hurt, Chairman or Wirtzie to come up as codewords.
(We haven’t had a “fish” day in while though.)
jeebus teebz, how could you possibly fuck up the blackhawks uni sets?
[quote comment=”320625″]How is that disrespecting the ‘Hawks? I have a red ‘Hawks jersey in my closet. Swapping home and road isn’t really disrespectful, is it?[/quote]
Listen, dis here blog ting of yourz is already on da list.
If I was youse I’d keep my mout shut for a while. Lay low, ya knowz?
[quote comment=”320632″][quote comment=”320625″]How is that disrespecting the ‘Hawks? I have a red ‘Hawks jersey in my closet. Swapping home and road isn’t really disrespectful, is it?[/quote]
Listen, dis here blog ting of yourz is already on da list.
If I was youse I’d keep my mout shut for a while. Lay low, ya knowz?[/quote]
LOL… duly noted. I’ll have my envelope of “bidness” to you by this evening.
[quote comment=”320631″]jeebus teebz, how could you possibly fuck up the blackhawks uni sets?[/quote]
Feels like a Saturday. Or possibly a Friday night scribe session at 1am. LOL
Sorry if this is old news, but I don’t have time to read through all the comments today. Anyway, the Montreal Canadiens are not going to wear their vintage “Barber Pole” sweaters tonight. Mike Boone of habsinsideout.com states:
“Vintage unis, but not the barber poles: Bob Gainey put the kibosh on those hideous uniforms. Instead, the Canadiens will wear the 1915-’16 jerseys they used against Toronto 10 days ago. It says something about the important of this game that Gainey didn’t want his team distracted by those ridiculous outfits.”
On a side note, when they wore these on Super Bowl Sunday, the Habs lost two players to injury, Robert Lang and Guillaume Latendresse.
[quote comment=”320627″]Oh, I wasn’t saying that US Cellular deserves the credit. I was just saying something to the effect of “the corporate name sucks, but at least you get something tangible back in exchange for the naming rights.” And to be honest I think “The Cell” is a kinda cool nickname.[/quote]
I do have to admit thst wth The Cell and the Bob and others, there’s a little Karmic justice going on and I like it.
Much as you want your name out there, people just aren’t going to acquiese.
Bigger point: I think Jerry was just a little more honest about things than others who rename ballparks. Like I said, IMHO he (and others) would find the dollars once the need to remodel was identified; and they’d do that whether it was one or two years after a renaming deal was signed.
So do you think the traingle building at Wrigley will have a corporate name?? TD Triangle maybe?
[quote comment=”320607″][quote comment=”320601″][quote comment=”320598″][quote comment=”320594″]
There are only two teams that actually have white as a primary color, and those are the Wings and the Leafs.
[/quote]
That’s a pretty bold statement considering the variety of colours out there.
Check the link. How many have white listed as a primary colour? I’ll save you the time – all of them. Why? Because it is worn by every team on the road.
Just because it’s listed as a “primary colour”, however, doesn’t mean you have to use it as a jersey colour. Atlanta wore their light blue jerseys on the road occasionally. Pittsburgh did the same.[/quote]
If you’re going to use that argument, you have to recognize that black is a main color of the Hurricanes too- it’s on the same list.
Look at the order. the most primary color of a team is always listed first, then in descending order of what the team considers their importance. Primary colors tend to be the first two or three, depending on how many a team has. There are exactly two (active) teams that list white as the second color. Two. The ones I already named.
And the Hurricanes have worn their black on the road as well. Does that make it their official road jersey?[/quote]
Just out of curiosity, would most people say the Blackhawks’ dominant color is: black or red? According to that list, it would be red. I say black is way more prevalent in their overall color scheme.
We’ll ignore the alts because that’ll definitely tip the scales, but if you look at their home unis, the red/black ratio is about 55/45 (possibly 60/40). On the road set, there’s hardly any red compared to the black. It’s like a 90/10 black to red ratio. Overall, that makes it like 65/35 black/red.[/quote]
Blackhawks are red, white, then black in the current uni’s. The black is the accent on both standard jerseys (striping and logo features)
[quote] Gainey didn’t want his team distracted by those ridiculous outfits[/quote]
douchebag
More Packers fun
link (Tank Nitschke and Tank Currie?)
Speaking of Nitschke, it doesn’t look like link.
link
link
To bring back a previous image, link
I’m guessing link is Susan Lombardi. If you look closely, she’s collecting S&H Green Stamps. Can you imagine a modern coach’s family collecting trading stamps?
[quote comment=”320635″]Sorry if this is old news, but I don’t have time to read through all the comments today. Anyway, the Montreal Canadiens are not going to wear their vintage “Barber Pole” sweaters tonight. Mike Boone of habsinsideout.com states:
“Vintage unis, but not the barber poles: Bob Gainey put the kibosh on those hideous uniforms. Instead, the Canadiens will wear the 1915-’16 jerseys they used against Toronto 10 days ago. It says something about the important of this game that Gainey didn’t want his team distracted by those ridiculous outfits.”
On a side note, when they wore these on Super Bowl Sunday, the Habs lost two players to injury, Robert Lang and Guillaume Latendresse.[/quote]
that sucks, I was looking forward to the game tonight more than normal because of those crazy striped jerseys.
[quote comment=”320639″]More Packers fun
link (Tank Nitschke and Tank Currie?)
Speaking of Nitschke, it doesn’t look like link.
link
link
To bring back a previous image, link
I’m guessing link is Susan Lombardi. If you look closely, she’s collecting S&H Green Stamps. Can you imagine a modern coach’s family collecting trading stamps?[/quote]
just neck traction.
Gah! I just linked to Hasselhoff! I hope I didn’t blind anyone there.
Let’s try again:
link (Tank Nitschke and Tank Currie?)
[quote comment=”320638″][quote] Gainey didn’t want his team distracted by those ridiculous outfits[/quote]
douchebag[/quote]
In all fairness, that statement was made by the blogger (Mike Boone), and not Gainey himself.
[quote comment=”320642″]Gah! I just linked to Hasselhoff! I hope I didn’t blind anyone there.
Let’s try again:
link (Tank Nitschke and Tank Currie?)[/quote]
Is that like getting Rickrolled? LOL
[quote comment=\”320639\”]
Speaking of Nitschke, it doesn\’t look like this helmet fits his head.
I’m guessing link is Susan Lombardi. If you look closely, she’s collecting S&H Green Stamps. Can you imagine a modern coach’s family collecting trading stamps?[/quote]
I like the idea that Lombardi is smoking on the practice field: speaking of “can you imagine a modern coach…”
And wrt the Lombardi family: certainly a different era. If you’ve ever seen the NFL Films movies of the NYE party at Lombardi’s house that happened just a few hours after the Ice Bowl, you’d see a pretty normal basement rec-room party. Kind of wild when you think of how much time today’s NFL coaches put in with media, etc.
On those link…
It appears that they are grouped by position, with the starters wearing the white jerseys.
On the new uniforms…
The Miami Marlins looks sharp. The one where he changed the cap to the more rounded M looks a bit too much like Mexico’s hat from the WBC (especially with teal and orange vs green and red)
No A’s going back to sleveless with Oakland on the road jersyes (circa 1968 I believe). Missed oppertunity.
The Twins, my home town team. I dislike those new jerseys. I don’t hate the pinstripes on the road like many of you. That said I see no reason to change the current uniforms. They are clean and classy and have major significance (the two world champions). If any logo change should be made to celebrate their return outside, it should be to go back to the old Killeberew era unis.
[quote comment=”320635″]Sorry if this is old news, but I don’t have time to read through all the comments today. Anyway, the Montreal Canadiens are not going to wear their vintage “Barber Pole” sweaters tonight. Mike Boone of habsinsideout.com states:
“Vintage unis, but not the barber poles: Bob Gainey put the kibosh on those hideous uniforms. Instead, the Canadiens will wear the 1915-’16 jerseys they used against Toronto 10 days ago. It says something about the important of this game that Gainey didn’t want his team distracted by those ridiculous outfits.”
On a side note, when they wore these on Super Bowl Sunday, the Habs lost two players to injury, Robert Lang and Guillaume Latendresse.[/quote]
Not a good day for hockey throwbacks between the Penguins and now the Canadiens. I think the barber poles are cool, but I can see others despising them.
I wrote a post for a friend’s blog a long time ago about how it would look if other cities went with the Pittsburgh model of every team wearing the same color. My look for the heat:
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I don’t think it’s just me- but the layout of this page is real wacky- very widescreen all of a sudden. only shows like this in FF. Chrome shows OK.
[quote comment=”320637″][quote comment=”320607″][quote comment=”320601″][quote comment=”320598″][quote comment=”320594″]
There are only two teams that actually have white as a primary color, and those are the Wings and the Leafs.
[/quote]
That’s a pretty bold statement considering the variety of colours out there.
Check the link. How many have white listed as a primary colour? I’ll save you the time – all of them. Why? Because it is worn by every team on the road.
Just because it’s listed as a “primary colour”, however, doesn’t mean you have to use it as a jersey colour. Atlanta wore their light blue jerseys on the road occasionally. Pittsburgh did the same.[/quote]
If you’re going to use that argument, you have to recognize that black is a main color of the Hurricanes too- it’s on the same list.
Look at the order. the most primary color of a team is always listed first, then in descending order of what the team considers their importance. Primary colors tend to be the first two or three, depending on how many a team has. There are exactly two (active) teams that list white as the second color. Two. The ones I already named.
And the Hurricanes have worn their black on the road as well. Does that make it their official road jersey?[/quote]
Just out of curiosity, would most people say the Blackhawks’ dominant color is: black or red? According to that list, it would be red. I say black is way more prevalent in their overall color scheme.
We’ll ignore the alts because that’ll definitely tip the scales, but if you look at their home unis, the red/black ratio is about 55/45 (possibly 60/40). On the road set, there’s hardly any red compared to the black. It’s like a 90/10 black to red ratio. Overall, that makes it like 65/35 black/red.[/quote]
Blackhawks are red, white, then black in the current uni’s. The black is the accent on both standard jerseys (striping and logo features)[/quote]
No. Home: red, black, white. Road: white, black, red.
Again, I’m talking full uniform, not just jersey:
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I have to agree with most of the posters — I’m not a fan of the Twins jerseys. This makes them look too much like the Red Sox. For the road jerseys, what about the script Minnesota that they wore on their jackets back in the 60’s (minus the star dotting the “i” and the Twins in the tail)? Either that, or just use the current script. I do like the piping!!!
[quote comment=”320613″]I kinda like the black alts for teams that have black as a color (aka white sox, Marlins), but I HATE when teams like Florida State, U of Miami, etc., where black isn’t even any kind of trim color, suddenly have black alts. Also not a fan of teams that add black to be a trim color when for a long time it was not (aka Lions, Mets).[/quote]
Exactly. When you already have two perfectly good colors, adding black is absurd.
Good work on the Unis.
What I think Houston should do is go back to orange/white or make the alt Red/White the main colours. The pinstripes do not look that good. Going with Red/White to match the Rockets and UH football or Orange to connect with the rest of the state and its history would be leaps and bounds better then it is now.
[quote comment=”320628″][quote comment=”320623″] At least he got to go to the game, unlike this link[/quote]
And doesn’t Max just look OVERJOYED to have that in his locker?
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Like I’ve been saying all along: Milwaukee is so fucking cool.
I don’t see Kentucky’s uniforms improving with Calipari’s move. (Unless they have no money left.)
There’s a decent sized section in the Packers Hall of Fame at Lambeau Field about how Lombardi was very thankful to the wives of his players. He believed that they couldn’t have gotten that far without the support of the wives and behind every good football player was a great woman so he gifted them with things as often as he did the players. There was also an engraved silver platter one year, too.
cute story about lady who works for the capitals and went to bemidji state and went dressed to the nines to work after they made it to the frozen four.
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[quote comment=”320606″]Not to dis Pretty Boy because I like his concept but I was floating around the Chris Creamer Fourms and found a concept I like even better.
Fourm Post
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No offense taken…I really like the tail on the “M” and the cap logo.
I can’t believe the Seahawks are doing this:
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I know fans love the green, but that’s ridiculous.
[quote comment=”320661″]I can’t believe the Seahawks are doing this:
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I know fans love the green, but that’s ridiculous.[/quote]
My eyes, they’re a burnin’. Dude, seriously misguided idea.
Wait, tomorrow is April Fool’s Day! I’ll believe the green jersey when I see it on the field.
I like a lot of the new baseball designs that Paulie came up with, but I’m surprised he didn’t try to remake the Rockies. They’re one of the teams I would have started with.
That and bringing back the blue n yellow and ball n mitt to Milwaukee that is…
Hmmm – just flipping through some websites – on CNNSI – there’s a photo gallery of Phoenix Coyotes Cheerleaders
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Is this cheerleader pulling a Britney in terms of underwear ?
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Not a fan of this mock-up due to the inaccurate checker pattern at the base of the jersey. I mean, it’s pretty specific what a hurricane warning flag is…black square within a red square. Now you’re doing design alt for design sakes ;P[/quote]
Except that they didn’t base that checker pattern off the hurricane warning flag. It’s link. You need to send your complaints to Peter Karmanos because neither he nor the design team that created this jersey knows what a hurricane warning flag is.
All I did was add colour to the uncolourful.[/quote]
Teebz, I normally like your work but not today. Your point about the Canes not coming out with an alternate in 1997 is probably the same reason the a lot of teams didn’t come out with them in 1995 (I think that was when it started). I understand a lot of teams are moving away from black, but if everyone moves away from black, then black becomes unique again. It’s a natural cycle, people get bored and like change… unfortunately you don’t.
[quote comment=”320661″]I can’t believe the Seahawks are doing this:
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Seattle… your uniforms… woof!
[quote comment=”320665″]Hmmm – just flipping through some websites – on CNNSI – there’s a photo gallery of Phoenix Coyotes Cheerleaders
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Is this cheerleader pulling a Britney in terms of underwear ?[/quote]Uh… Looks like it… You would think somebody might notice that before publication.
Not that I’m gonna object.
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Not a fan of this mock-up due to the inaccurate checker pattern at the base of the jersey. I mean, it’s pretty specific what a hurricane warning flag is…black square within a red square. Now you’re doing design alt for design sakes ;P[/quote]
Except that they didn’t base that checker pattern off the hurricane warning flag. It’s link. You need to send your complaints to Peter Karmanos because neither he nor the design team that created this jersey knows what a hurricane warning flag is.
All I did was add colour to the uncolourful.[/quote]
Teebz, I normally like your work but not today. Your point about the Canes not coming out with an alternate in 1997 is probably the same reason the a lot of teams didn’t come out with them in 1995 (I think that was when it started). I understand a lot of teams are moving away from black, but if everyone moves away from black, then black becomes unique again. It’s a natural cycle, people get bored and like change… unfortunately you don’t.[/quote]
Are you serious?
Do I really have to go over all the black that was added to the NHL after 1995?
If they came out in 1997 as a black-red-and-white team, they would have been called the Buffalo Sabres. If they had introduced a black alternate in 1997, they would have been on the cutting edge of the “Black Alternate Experience”.
Instead, this season they removed colour they already had, effed up the warning flag, effed up the square design, and went totally black when every other team is going back to colour.
BTW, just to satisfy your curiosity, 1995 had five teams with alternate jerseys. In 1997, when the Hurricanes settled in North Carolina, 11 teams had alternate jerseys. In fact, Anaheim had two sets, so technically there were 12 alternate jerseys out there in 26-team league. The following year, there were 13 teams with alternate jerseys in a 27-team league – the most in NHL history.
If Carolina wanted a black alternate uniform, they missed the boat. In 2005-06, 13 teams had at least one black jersey in their uniform set. That was up from 12 from 2001-2004. In 2006-07, the number was down to 10 teams. In 2007-08, there were six teams. Have I made the trend apparent?
Using black occasionally makes it a nice touch, and a good change for teams. This is why we yearn for the Kings’ black-and-silver. It wasn’t used all that commonly in hockey aside from the Bruins and Penguins before that.
However, as I stated, if they wanted to get on-board with the black trend, the Hurricanes missed the bus about four years ago.
And I’ll throw this in:
Thanks to the NHL’s push for alternates this season, there are 11 teams with black jerseys again. Black jerseys are not unique. Not at all.
In fact, they’re pretty much played out. If this was the fashion world, a black jersey would be equivalent to capri pants for men. No one would be caught dead in them.
[quote comment=”320667″][quote comment=”320661″]I can’t believe the Seahawks are doing this:
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Seattle… your uniforms… woof![/quote]
Anybody remember high school physical education? Did you have to show up in your t-shirt and shorts, and then pick up a mesh pullover to identify your basketball team?
That’s what those neon Seattle things remind me of. Phys freakin’ ed. And that’s probably not an endorsement of the design. (But if people start comparing the players in uniform to running boogers and vomit, maybe it will be.)
[quote comment=”320665″]Hmmm – just flipping through some websites – on CNNSI – there’s a photo gallery of Phoenix Coyotes Cheerleaders
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Is this cheerleader pulling a Britney in terms of underwear ?[/quote]
Great stuff overall today with the baseball unis. But that is my favorite uni pic today and in a while.
Future UniWatch poster? Check picture 24.
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Someone definitely gets it!
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Alright, forget it! it was a little leaguer about 6 or 7 yrs old wearing some perfect green stirrups.
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[quote comment=”320671″][quote comment=”320667″][quote comment=”320661″]I can’t believe the Seahawks are doing this:
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Seattle… your uniforms… woof![/quote]
Anybody remember high school physical education? Did you have to show up in your t-shirt and shorts, and then pick up a mesh pullover to identify your basketball team?
That’s what those neon Seattle things remind me of. Phys freakin’ ed. And that’s probably not an endorsement of the design. (But if people start comparing the players in uniform to running boogers and vomit, maybe it will be.)[/quote]
Call me crazy, but I think the green jersey with the white pants might end up looking half-decent. The blue pants? Not so much.
[quote comment=”320674″]try this link
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but it looks like Maddux socks. Definitely not as special.
[quote comment=”320478″][quote comment=”320457″][quote comment=”320440″][quote comment=”320436″]Good enough effort on the unis — though, why no Astros? They are long overdue for something that befits their brand (something that marries retro-futuristic with classy … which is absolutely not the case right now).[/quote]
This is the best uni the Astros have ever worn, and they should return to it, pronto.
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I remember ONE game where the Astros used the shooting star throwback but I am unable to find a picture, but I would prefer the Astros use this again: link
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Yep, that’s the one – best uniform the team ever wore. It would still look great today.[/quote]
To #70 guys: DIY’er here with an ebay auction coming up that features the old Astros and Colt 45’s:
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Seller name is 13mugs….cheers –
I know the moment has kind of passed, but I took some screenshots of the Milwaukee Brewers/Braves game, if anyone’s interested:
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Oh, and link the screaming Brave logo that someone was asking about earlier.
[quote comment=”320665″]“Hmmm – just flipping through some websites – on CNNSI – there’s a photo gallery of Phoenix Coyotes Cheerleaders:
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No, she’s going commando like a USC Song Girl!
I love, love, love, everyone of of these redesigns with one exception. The Twins one just doesn’t jive with me. The font is a bit much. They have never really had a recognizable word mark apart from the TC on their caps. I like the script across the front of the home unis. I do agree that the road uni needs some work. I so wish Baltimore and Florida (Miami) would take these ideas and run with them. I am also a big fan of the Maryland/Baltimore flag patch, but I would love to see the Cartoon Bird make a comeback. Also a big fan of teams in the same city wearing the same colors. The Marlins would be very wise to do so.
Sorry to be negative (I do appreciate the creativity and hard work put into these mock ups!) But… As a Marlins fan, I gotta say that I HATE that design for the fish. I like most Marlins fans, love the Teal and Black. Say what you want about the franchise but we have won 2 World Series Championships in those colors. We may not have much history, but it is something. One thing I would like to see is the Marlins change their hats. Get rid of the fish and just put an ‘M’ on there like most of the other classic ballcaps.
Also, (again not to come off as a jerk or anything) but to say “Black is not a South Beach color” could only come from someone who has never been to South Beach. If you want South Beach colors, the Miami Heat is the perfect example of the feel for that area. Dark, barely lit rooms and red velvet ropes. Also, for the moron who said something about old people in Florida, again, this is someone who thinks they know something because of what they heard on TV. Have you ever been to Miami? Those old people are dead or moved to Palm Beach County. Florida is a big state. It’s not all one place. Get out of the house more.
[quote comment=”320941″]Sorry to be negative (I do appreciate the creativity and hard work put into these mock ups!) But… As a Marlins fan, I gotta say that I HATE that design for the fish. I like most Marlins fans, love the Teal and Black. Say what you want about the franchise but we have won 2 World Series Championships in those colors. We may not have much history, but it is something. One thing I would like to see is the Marlins change their hats. Get rid of the fish and just put an ‘M’ on there like most of the other classic ballcaps.
Also, (again not to come off as a jerk or anything) but to say “Black is not a South Beach color” could only come from someone who has never been to South Beach. If you want South Beach colors, the Miami Heat is the perfect example of the feel for that area. Dark, barely lit rooms and red velvet ropes. Also, for the moron who said something about old people in Florida, again, this is someone who thinks they know something because of what they heard on TV. Have you ever been to Miami? Those old people are dead or moved to Palm Beach County. Florida is a big state. It’s not all one place. Get out of the house more.[/quote]
im 100% with you. I also live in Miami and agree that black should stay on the uniforms. I hate that orange, reminds me of UM and the dolphins (hate their uniforms). I think they should make the colors look similar to the ones the carolina panthers have in the nfl. That would look sick.
I am a Tigers fan and think that the Tigers need an Alternate road jersey for their fans around the country that features the Olde English D
No Alternate at Home……EVER
I like the lot of Pauls’ work, especially the Marlins’ jerseys, but here’s what I would have loved to see:
Tigers road jersey: Have “Detroit” in Old English instead of the script they’ve used since 1994, and use the same black/orange color scheme they used in the ’80s. Finally, have the uniform number on the right sleeve like the Tigers teams of the ’60s did.
Maybe I should just make it myself. :)