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Thanksgiving weekend is traditionally a big time for a sport that doesn’t get much coverage here at Uni Watch: high school football. And readers spotted some interesting details on a several teams over the weekend. Here’s a rundown:

• Cardinal Ritter Prep (St. Louis, Missouri): When viewed from this angle, Cardinal Ritter has plain white helmets. But if you look from the side or front, you’ll see lots of pieces of colored tape (additional views here, here, here, and here), each of which represents a defeated opponent. It makes a plain uni look festive.

• Thousand Oaks High (Thousand Oaks, California): At first glance, it appears that Thousand Oaks is wearing a standard Michigan-style winged helmet design — green graphics on a white shell. But at least five members of the defense are wearing white graphics on a green shell: Nos. 46, 33, 48, 44, and 90. Anyone know what that’s about?

• Centerville High (Centerville, Ohio): The Elks, as the Centerville team is called, have horns — sort of. At the beginning of the season, the crowns of their helmets were plain black; by the second week, those yellow tape stripes had begun to appear, and they’ve increased with each passing week. According to a comment posted on Saturday, they’re “hitter stripes,” given out for big plays — which is kinda odd given that Centerville also uses conventional merit decals.

• Dunbar High (Washington, DC): Did you know Under Armour made helmets? I didn’t, until I saw this. Man, think they’ve got a big enough maker’s mark?

(Big thanks to readers Dan Loney, JT, Seth Engelbrecht, Bob Jordan, and Jason Walker for their observations and contributions.)

Uni Watch News Ticker, Thanksgiving Leftovers Edition: Last week I noted that LSU wore a jersey patch on November 22nd to mark the 50th anniversary of their 1958 championship team. But Derek Ponamsky notes that the patch had a bad design flaw: It depicts a helmet with a neck bumper, something that didn’t exist in 1958. ”¦ Reprinted from Wednesday’s comments: Indians farmhand Wes Hodges, currently playing in the Arizona Fall League, has some serious underbill action on his helmet. ”¦ Jing Xu notes that the Hawaii women’s soccer team appears to have a No. 0 and and a No. 00. ”¦ Latest Rob Ullman pin-up commissions for Uni Watch readers can be seen here, here, here, and here (as commissioned by Tony Worden, Jason Miller, Gregg Thomas, and Bob Halfacre, respectively). ”¦ Saw this movie over the weekend and heartily recommend it to all NYC-area readers. Lots of good uni-related bits, including a tight end wearing No. 91, game officials wearing colored armbands to identify the back judge from the umpire from the head linesman, and several unfastened chinstraps. There’s some decent game footage here. ”¦ Got a spare $35K lying around? If so, send it to me look what you can buy (with thanks to Sam Forster). ”¦ Latest Pacific northwest baseball gem unearthed by Dave Eskenazi: this Aberdeen Black Cats player, circa 1915-20. Love the ribbing on the undersleeve cuffs. ”¦ Lots to like in this 1942 Packers/Steelers photo, most notably the ref’s attire (big thanks to Jeff Ash). ”¦ When you think of Bobby Orr, you think of uni No. 4. But the Oshawa Generals just retired Orr’s No. 2, which he wore while playing for them from 1962-66 (with thanks to Matthew Bessette). ”¦ The Lightning’s long-rumored really embarrassing third jersey is now a reality. Slideshow of additional pics here. ”¦ Back in 1994, when all NFL teams were wearing throwbacks, the Packers played the Bears on Halloween, and Green Bay’s Ken Reuttgers got into the spirit of the day (with thanks to Gary Streeting). ”¦ Interesting note from Forrest Carpenter, who writes: “There’s a game available for the iPhone called ‘ESPN Cameraman.’ It’s essentially one of those barroom electronic ‘compare the two photos’ games. I’ve noticed that, in most of the pictures on this version, the differences are uniform-related [additional examples here], so I think they’re missing out on some niche-marketing by not setting up a deal with you.” ”¦ Good view here of Oregon’s Hawaiian-trimmed uniform from the Maui Invitational. ”¦ Tyler Hull reports that Cristobal Huet has changed his pads from this to this (“which make him look like he’s sponsored by McDonald’s,” he adds). ”¦ Had my mind blown just a little bit when Art Savokinas sent me this ad — never seen text-imprinted faux stirrups before. Art, who coached Little League in the 1990s, says he actually dressed his team in these around 1995 or so. “I thought it might be easier for the parents. Plus, we always had that kid with the wrong size [sanitary] socks or the kid who would wear black [sanitaries]. As far as what was on the socks, I believe we had the league name ‘Pittston Twp.’ The league only used them for a year or two and then the solid-color socks started to become popular. The kids liked them, since they were new and different.” ”¦ Great spot by Bill Banzer, who notes that the Sabres’ alt uniform includes a right-facing buffalo helmet decal — “the first time in franchise history they’ve used a right-facing buffalo on that logo,” says Bill. ”¦ If you watch these video highlights the 1985 USC/Notre Dame game (sent my way by Olivier Soweif), you’ll see that the Irish wore navy jerseys in the first half and green in the second half. Aside from lost-luggage situations and other logistical mishaps (like the Vikings famous mid-game jersey switcheroo back in the 1960s), are there any other examples of a team that intentionally wore two different uniforms in a game? ”¦ Several bowl games will be celebrating their 75th anniversaries in January, as seen in these logos for the Orange, Sugar, and Sun Bowls. ”¦ Really interesting find over on the Chris Creamer board, where someone posted a photo of this bedspread. We’ve all seen the prototype Browns logo before, but check out that helmet in the middle — that is, apparently, a placeholder logo for the Falcons, who were just entering the league. ”¦ “The Bobcats chose to wear blue at home on Saturday night against the Celtics, forcing the road team to wear white,” writes David Arnott. “However, Charlotte still wore their usual white home shoes, and Boston wore their usual road black shoes.” ”¦ Reprinted from Saturday’s comments: Joe Namath with personalized hip pads. ”¦ Also from Saturday: According to this item, “UAB’s trip to Madison Square Garden didn’t turn out exactly as the Blazers had hoped. In addition to losing both games, UAB had its uniforms stolen from in front of the team hotel Thursday. Last season’s uniforms had to be express-mailed Friday morning and arrived just hours before the game against Boston College.” ”¦ Unusual college football sights from the weekend: Missouri in gold, Louisiana Tech in red, and Southern in light blue (details here). ”¦ Hey, speaking of the annual Mizzou/Kansas game (also known as the Border War), this year’s game was notable because Kansas wore their usual white socks. As Jim Wagner points out, they usually wear red socks when playing against Missouri on the road, as seen in these pics from 2006 and 2004. The reason for the red hose can be found on this Wiki page about the brutal Missouri/Kansas fighting during the Civil War, which includes the following passage: “Well-known jayhawkers included James H. Lane ”¦ [whose] band of militants wore red gaiters [as seen in the center of this painting — PL], earning them the nickname ‘Redlegs’ or ‘Redleggers.'” Anyone know why Kansas didn’t wear the red hose this year? ”¦Check out the logo of this California painting company. “No word on whether or not Chipper Jones will paint the trim on your house if you book them before Spring Training,” says Jim McCue. ”¦ Paul Wiederecht found this shot of Mets minor leaguers from last season’s spring training. Note the unusual nameplate shape — sort of trapezoidal. ”¦ Color-on-color alert: Dayton vs. Marquette on Saturday (with thanks to Matt Shevin). ”¦ Erkki Corpuz notes that UCLA’s Nikola Dragovic now has an accent on his NOB (plus the FSN broadcast team has some rather primitive methods of keeping their wires in place). ”¦ This is the Italian fencing team. Anyone know what logo that is on their socks? ”¦ Surprised we haven’t noticed this before: The NFL.com favicon (the little thumbnail icon that appears next to the URL on the address bar) shows the old NFL logo (good spot by Chris Flinn). ”¦ Latest victims of NFL helmet decal snafus: Antonio Pierce and Robert Mathis (with thanks to Ryan Perkins and Chris Salove, respectively). ”¦ The Redskins inducted Sean Taylor into their Ring of Honor yesterday and wore memorial patches for the occasion. Coaches, too. ”¦ Good story/interview with the Bruins equipment manager here (with thanks to Tris Wykes). ”¦ Never seen a varsity sweater with a collar quite like this one. ”¦ Not-quite-uni-related but still fascinatingly detail-oriented item from last night’s comments: Most wristwatches shown in print ads are set to the same time. Here’s why. ”¦ Kurt Crowley reports that Oklahoma’s Tony Crocker was wearing long undersleeves at the preseason NIT the other day. ”¦ Did everyone notice that I managed to get through the entire Thanksgiving holiday without linking to — or, until now, even referring to — the Sarah Palin turkey-slaughter video?

 
  
 
Comments (235)

    Little Help,

    Need to find a list of when MON will be wearing their centiennial jerseys this year.

    I’ve seen it before, but can’t seem to find it again.

    kappa is the logo on the italian fencers’ socks. very well-known brand in soccer and other european sports.

    Re teams wearing different jerseys in the same game, I can recall it happening twice in soccer.
    In 1995-96 season Manchester United had a grey away jersey but never one a game in it and their manager, Alex Ferguson claimed that this was because the players had difficulty seeing each other.
    When they were 3-0 down at half-time away to Southampton in April 1996 he ordered them to wear their blue-and-white-striped third jerseys for the second half. The game finished 3-1.
    The other occurrence involves Arsenal against Sparta Prague in the Champions League in 2000. Arsenal were premiering a new navy third jersey but it was felt that it clashed with Sparta’s maroon shirts and Arsenal wore yellow in the second half.

    Le’Ron McClain had a helmet logo issue yesterday as well:

    link

    Its kinda hard to see, but the area around the eye on the Raven is missing/damaged.

    wanted to give a quick shout out to Teebz’ Blog…he saw yesterday’s UW story and did a really sweet job of further researching and expanding on the topic

    thanks teebz! :o)

    as you all know…teebz is a proud member of the small, but growing, hockey wing of UW

    If you watch these video highlights the 1985 USC/Notre Dame game (sent my way by Olivier Soweif), you’ll see that the Irish wore navy jerseys in the first half and green in the second half. Aside from lost-luggage situations and other logistical mishaps (like the Vikings famous mid-game jersey switcheroo back in the 1960s), are there any other examples of a team that intentionally wore two different uniforms in a game?

    Yes: In its final 1986 regular season basketball game, Virginia wore orange for one half against Maryland, and blue for the second half.

    On the Notre Dame uniforms: Faust switched the uniforms from green to blue when he took over because, he said, Notre Dame would always play in the color of the Holy Mother. He said even the green jerseys would have blue trim because of this, and in fact in 1983 when Notre Dame wore green jerseys against USC for the entire game the jerseys had blue trim (as they did in the 1995 Fiesta Bowl when Lou Holtz broke them out without success against Colorado). I can’t tell from the video whether the 1985 green jerseys had blue trim.

    The Helmet Project has a picture of Tommy Nobis in a prototype Falcons’ helmet:
    link

    A kiddie book series on each NFL team that was printed in about 1980 stated that Atlanta had representatives apply for a team in both the AFL and NFL. They were forced to pick a league and decided with the NFL.

    Paul, the Big Ten Network has been showing replays of the 1969 Ohio State-Michigan football game, and I also noticed the colored armbands worn by all the officials except the referee. I haven’t been able to find any info yet as to when they stopped wearing them.

    I also think the Under Armour logo on the back of the player’s helmet is just a sticker, not a brand identifier. You used to be able to get a free sticker as part of the tags when you bought UA apparel.

    1. What is up with NBA teams wearing colors at home instead of white?

    2. And with college teams going color on color? Isn’t there a rule that, if you wear color at home, it has to be silver or gold? (Though I’ve seen UVa. and Va. Tech wear orange at home.)

    About the NFL favicon thingy: It’s not the old logo. You might still get the old logo depending on how long your browser saves cookies. A browser won’t always load the new icon if it’s got the old one in storage for faster loading.

    I get the text from the new one when I open the site, so it is up to date… and If I wasn’t too lazy I’d take a screenshot.

    Matt and Jim are both right. That’s not a UA helmet. Its a sticker they attach to some of their big ticket items. I have about 20 of them from a set of uniforms i purchased for my baseball team

    Texans will be in all red tonight (jerseys and pants) for MNF against the Jaguars. I love the battle red jerseys. Wish they would make them a primary jersey and ditch the either white or blue ones. Just not sure if I like the red pants too, but it’s a different look. First Monday night game in Houston since 1994. link

    My first thought about the Michigan style helmets was that the white on green was for players that only played defense because every shot with that helmet (except the last one) has only white on green defending somebody. Maybe the kid in the last shot with the green on white plays both sides of the ball? First thing I was wondering though was what is the point in having 2 sets of TV numbers on the sleeves???

    link

    under armour doesnt make helmets. thats a decal that you used to get when you buy any piece of under armour clothing. that was a nifty advertising move by ua. give us something free with our clothing.
    we’re real proud of ua in the baltimore-d.c. stretch, so it doesnt surprise me to see that on a hs helmet at all. i like it.

    And that ESPN Cameraman game does get addicting. I would play the NBA Finals edition for hours back in June, nothing but great Celtics-Lakers shots from way back up to 2008.

    [quote comment=”302759″]”If you watch these video highlights the 1985 USC/Notre Dame game (sent my way by Olivier Soweif), you’ll see that the Irish wore navy jerseys in the first half and green in the second half. Aside from lost-luggage situations and other logistical mishaps (like the Vikings famous mid-game jersey switcheroo back in the 1960s), are there any other examples of a team that intentionally wore two different uniforms in a game?”
    ***
    1. Yes: In its final 1986 regular season basketball game, Virginia wore orange for one half against Maryland, and blue for the second half.

    2. On the Notre Dame uniforms: Faust switched the uniforms from green to blue when he took over because, he said, Notre Dame would always play in the color of the Holy Mother. He said even the green jerseys would have blue trim because of this, and in fact in 1983 when Notre Dame wore green jerseys against USC for the entire game the jerseys had blue trim (as they did in the 1995 Fiesta Bowl when Lou Holtz broke them out without success against Colorado). I can’t tell from the video whether the 1985 green jerseys had blue trim.[/quote]

    The Notre Dame blue/green game:

    link

    [quote comment=”302758″]wanted to give a quick shout out to link…he saw yesterday’s UW story and did a really sweet job of further researching and expanding on the topic

    thanks teebz! :o)

    as you all know…teebz is a proud member of the small, but growing, hockey wing of UW[/quote]

    Thanks, Phil, but it never would have happened without the work you did yesterday. Ok, it might have happened way down the road, but it certainly wouldn’t have been brought to the forefront yesterday without your efforts.

    Honestly, one of the best days of research I have done in almost two years in finding the scores and information on the games played by the Rivulettes. And all thanks to Uni Watch. :o)

    I can’t tell from the video whether the 1985 green jerseys had blue trim.

    IIRC, the collars of that jersey were royal blue.

    [quote]are there any other examples of a team that intentionally wore two different uniforms in a game?[/quote]

    The Mighty Ducks did, might have been the kids decisions but Emelio could have been behind it.

    I read in my youth watches were set to 8:20 because that was the time when Lincoln was shot. But it makes more sense the position of the hands should not obscure the logo. And I may have picked up that fact in a comic book.

    [quote comment=”302773″][quote]are there any other examples of a team that intentionally wore two different uniforms in a game?[/quote]

    The Mighty Ducks did, might have been the kids decisions but Emelio could have been behind it.[/quote]

    LOL, that’s hilarious.

    Man I hate those movies…

    [quote comment=”302775″]Pedant time…elk have antlers, not horns.[/quote]

    Actually, it’s a very prominent distinction. Antlers and horns are entirely different in both physiology and usage.

    Nothing pedantic there whatsoever, CW. Good on you.

    my daughter is a soccer goalkeeper. i’ve seen the 0 and 00 as keeper numbers on the same team many times through the years. it’s not that unusual.

    never noticed before, but the bottom stripe on brad maynard’s sleeve is a different material than the rest of the jersey. you can kind of see it in this pic from another game link

    This isn’t the official reasoning, but my guess is that Kansas didn’t wear the red socks because they may have been going for a white-out. KU didn’t wear their usual grey pants and instead wore white pants which they have not done since 2004.

    Another Border War Note: You may not see Mustard Mizzou again for sometime. Their last two tries in “gold” have not been successful They hadn’t worn the color since losing to Notre Dame in 1984. (check the last item) link

    Louisiana Tech’s red jerseys were throwbacks to the late 80s/ early 90s when they wore red at home. The last time they wore red jerseys was the 1996 season.

    Since they lost on Saturday, I don’t know if they will wear them again or not…but it was a nice surprise to see as they took the field. It actually caused a little confusion in the stands as most of us had no idea they were wearing anything other than the blue jerseys.

    [quote comment=”302783″]Louisiana Tech’s red jerseys were throwbacks to the late 80s/ early 90s when they wore red at home. The last time they wore red jerseys was the 1996 season.

    Since they lost on Saturday, I don’t know if they will wear them again or not…but it was a nice surprise to see as they took the field. It actually caused a little confusion in the stands as most of us had no idea they were wearing anything other than the blue jerseys.[/quote]

    make that the mid-70s through the mid-90s on the red jerseys.

    [quote comment=”302759″]If you watch these video highlights the 1985 USC/Notre Dame game (sent my way by Olivier Soweif), you’ll see that the Irish wore navy jerseys in the first half and green in the second half. Aside from lost-luggage situations and other logistical mishaps (like the Vikings famous mid-game jersey switcheroo back in the 1960s), are there any other examples of a team that intentionally wore two different uniforms in a game?

    Yes: In its final 1986 regular season basketball game, Virginia wore orange for one half against Maryland, and blue for the second half.

    On the Notre Dame uniforms: Faust switched the uniforms from green to blue when he took over because, he said, Notre Dame would always play in the color of the Holy Mother. He said even the green jerseys would have blue trim because of this, and in fact in 1983 when Notre Dame wore green jerseys against USC for the entire game the jerseys had blue trim (as they did in the 1995 Fiesta Bowl when Lou Holtz broke them out without success against Colorado). I can’t tell from the video whether the 1985 green jerseys had blue trim.[/quote]

    Actually, Faust switched Notre Dame from navy to royal (as well as adding sleeve stripes). The Irish hadn’t worn green—with exception of Dan Devine’s green jerseys against USC—since ’56 or so, about the time of Paul Hornung’s senior season. They did have shoulder loops in the late 50’s, early 60’s.

    The other day I e-mailed Paul a couple photos showing side-by-side the Faust basic royal and his version of the green (with a royal sleeve stripe among the gold stripes). One thing I also noticed after I’d sent them was the high degree of difference in color gold (more than normal because of a fabric difference) between the front and back of the pants.

    —Ricko

    Aside from the kappa logo, what’s the third patch down on one of the fencer’s right arm? There’s a kappa logo, a fencing retailer (All-star), and then another patch. It could be his club, but I can’t really tell. (Putting a club patch on the jacket is a common practice.)

    Any ideas?

    “Lots to like in this 1942 Packers/Steelers photo, most notably the ref’s attire (big thanks to Jeff Ash).”

    Possible explanation for the odd attire by refs. The game in question was played in Milwaukee on 12/6/42. It is probably a woollen sweater worn by refs in case the weather got quite nippy back in the day. I think similar gear was worn by refs in the 1938 and/or the 1939 NFL Championship game. It was won over their normal officials’ tops. NFL officials began wearing striped tops in 1941 and at first were different colored stripes depending on the official’s position (Referee, umpire, linesman, field judge, etc.).

    [quote comment=”302751″]Paul, I don’t think UA makes helmets…I just think that kid wanted to be a dbag.[/quote]

    You are correct about the helmet manufacturer not being UA.

    He is wearing a Schutt Air Advantage. The Crown vents and the inflation hole are the dead giveaway.

    forgot to mention, sweaters usually had on back in big letters: N.F.L.

    great photo, Jeff!! Thanks for sharing!

    [quote comment=”302785″][quote comment=”302759″]If you watch these video highlights the 1985 USC/Notre Dame game (sent my way by Olivier Soweif), you’ll see that the Irish wore navy jerseys in the first half and green in the second half. Aside from lost-luggage situations and other logistical mishaps (like the Vikings famous mid-game jersey switcheroo back in the 1960s), are there any other examples of a team that intentionally wore two different uniforms in a game?

    Yes: In its final 1986 regular season basketball game, Virginia wore orange for one half against Maryland, and blue for the second half.

    On the Notre Dame uniforms: Faust switched the uniforms from green to blue when he took over because, he said, Notre Dame would always play in the color of the Holy Mother. He said even the green jerseys would have blue trim because of this, and in fact in 1983 when Notre Dame wore green jerseys against USC for the entire game the jerseys had blue trim (as they did in the 1995 Fiesta Bowl when Lou Holtz broke them out without success against Colorado). I can’t tell from the video whether the 1985 green jerseys had blue trim.[/quote]

    Actually, Faust switched Notre Dame from navy to royal (as well as adding sleeve stripes). The Irish hadn’t worn green—with exception of Dan Devine’s green jerseys against USC—since ’56 or so, about the time of Paul Hornung’s senior season. They did have shoulder loops in the late 50’s, early 60’s.

    The other day I e-mailed Paul a couple photos showing side-by-side the Faust basic royal and his version of the green (with a royal sleeve stripe among the gold stripes). One thing I also noticed after I’d sent them was the high degree of difference in color gold (more than normal because of a fabric difference) between the front and back of the pants.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I think Faust swtiched to royal because it was more like the Holy Mother’s color blue than was navy blue.

    During the 1977-78 basketball season, after Notre Dame had won the national football championship, Digger Phelps put green socks on his players as a salute to the title. Their sweatbands were of three equal stripes of blue, gold, and green. That year, Notre Dame wore white at home and blue on the road for basketball, but for the next two seasons they swtiched to white (with a light green tint) at home and green on the road. But the green was trimmed with gold and navy blue. I’ve still got the 1980 Notre Dame media guide with Kelly Tripuka, Orlando Woolridge, and Tracy Jackson on the cover in their green uniforms.

    In 1980-81, they switched from the navy/gold/green combination to a navy/gold/royal combination. I’ve still got one of the sweatbands from that year. Never got a navy/gold/green sweatband, though I’d love to have one.

    [quote]He is wearing a Schutt Air Advantage. The Crown vents and the inflation hole are the dead giveaway.[/quote]

    of course

    everyone knows that

    Dear Mr Wilf,
    Please please keep the REAL Vikings uniforms! It was so gratifying to see the traditional authentic Vikings uniforms on display last night. Take those other circus clown uniforms and consign them to a bonfire. No self-respecting professional sports team, other than a Bidwell-owned team, should wear such crap. For the love of Bud Grant, please switch back to the REAL uniforms.

    thank you,
    A Fan

    “I think Faust swtiched to royal because it was more like the Holy Mother’s color blue than was navy blue.”

    Yup, remember him saying something to that effect.
    Also remember thinking how much it made Notre Dame look like the Winnipeg Blue Bombers.

    “Paul Wiederecht found this shot of Mets minor leaguers from last season’s spring training. Note the unusual nameplate shape – sort of trapezoidal.”

    Not unusual at all actually. This style nameplate is common for vertical arched names…

    link

    link

    They just put the wrong style letters on it.

    re: Notre Dame, Digger and gold socks.

    Had a big ol’ shamrock somewhere, too, as I recall. Jerseys? Side of trunks? Can’t remember. Have a photo or two showing those gold socks at home.

    John Shumate was on those teams, wasn’t he?

    Lightning Thirds:

    Really don’t understand the armpit stripes. Seems like a really random place to have striping and is very distracting when I see a jersey with them. Watched a game with BUF wearing their thirds and they have the same ‘Pit Stripes’ as TB.

    I know we have the ‘Bettman Stripes’:

    link

    link

    Should we come up with a nickname for these too?

    [quote comment=”302789″][quote comment=”302751″]Paul, I don’t think UA makes helmets…I just think that kid wanted to be a dbag.[/quote]

    You are correct about the helmet manufacturer not being UA.

    He is wearing a Schutt Air Advantage. The Crown vents and the inflation hole are the dead giveaway.[/quote]

    link

    Detective skills at work:

    Yes, the kid looks stupid putting the UA logo on his helmet but look at the opponents.

    1. Awful color combination: Key Lime Green, Red and Black.

    2. Call Barry Alvarez out in Madison, They are using the motion W!

    [quote comment=”302779″]my daughter is a soccer goalkeeper. i’ve seen the 0 and 00 as keeper numbers on the same team many times through the years. it’s not that unusual.[/quote]

    I am a soccer SID at a D1 school and about every team we played feature a 0 and 00. North Florida list players on their men’s team with 01 and 001 though they didn’t travel so I’m not sure if they have actual Jerseys with those numbers on them.

    [quote comment=”302797″]Lightning Thirds:

    Really don’t understand the armpit stripes. Seems like a really random place to have striping and is very distracting when I see a jersey with them. Watched a game with BUF wearing their thirds and they have the same ‘Pit Stripes’ as TB.

    I know we have the ‘Bettman Stripes’:

    link

    link

    Should we come up with a nickname for these too?[/quote]

    The armpit strpes for the Bolts came from Phil Esposito. It was his little input into the design of the unis. His reasoning was the only time you should see them is when a player scores a goal or raises the Stanley Cup. I like the Lightning third jersey as most people in the Bay Area refer to them as the Bolts anyway it is probably more liked in that area versus nationwide.

    [quote comment=”302801″][quote comment=”302797″]Lightning Thirds:

    Really don’t understand the armpit stripes. Seems like a really random place to have striping and is very distracting when I see a jersey with them. Watched a game with BUF wearing their thirds and they have the same ‘Pit Stripes’ as TB.

    I know we have the ‘Bettman Stripes’:

    link

    link

    Should we come up with a nickname for these too?[/quote]

    The armpit strpes for the Bolts came from Phil Esposito. It was his little input into the design of the unis. His reasoning was the only time you should see them is when a player scores a goal or raises the Stanley Cup. I like the Lightning third jersey as most people in the Bay Area refer to them as the Bolts anyway it is probably more liked in that area versus nationwide.[/quote]

    So they’d be “EspoPits”?

    [quote comment=”302803″][quote comment=”302801″][quote comment=”302797″]Lightning Thirds:

    Really don’t understand the armpit stripes. Seems like a really random place to have striping and is very distracting when I see a jersey with them. Watched a game with BUF wearing their thirds and they have the same ‘Pit Stripes’ as TB.

    I know we have the ‘Bettman Stripes’:

    link

    link

    Should we come up with a nickname for these too?[/quote]

    The armpit strpes for the Bolts came from Phil Esposito. It was his little input into the design of the unis. His reasoning was the only time you should see them is when a player scores a goal or raises the Stanley Cup. I like the Lightning third jersey as most people in the Bay Area refer to them as the Bolts anyway it is probably more liked in that area versus nationwide.[/quote]

    So they’d be “EspoPits”?[/quote]

    The Esposito ‘stripes’ you are referring to are the areas directly in the armpit which have been on their uni since they came into the league. I am refering to the gray stripe on the thirds that surrounds the armpit.

    link

    Another Border War Note: You may not see Mustard Mizzou again for sometime. Their last two tries in “gold” have not been successful They hadn’t worn the color since losing to Notre Dame in 1984. (check the last item) link…

    According to one of my wife’s friends, whose son plays for Mizzou, the players had heard rumors, but didn’t know for sure until right before the game that they’d be wearing yellow. Also, they got to keep the jerseys, which is not normal. So, the GOOD news is, we won’t be seeing them again this season.

    My guess is that kU didn’t wear the red socks because it appeared to just anger MU in 2006 (to the tune of a 42-17 whipping.

    [quote comment=”302806″]”EspoLoops”?[/quote]

    Good suggestion Ricko, but Espo would have nothing to do with the loops, plus more than just TB has them…

    Don’t have any proof (for now) other than my memory but I want to say sometime in the late 1970s or early 1980s that Ole Miss football wore blue jerseys in the first half against LSU and wore red in the second half.

    While catching the last drive of the Broncos/Jets fiasco yesterday, I noticed some of the Broncos wearing a Strap-Lok on their high chin-strap hook-ups.

    I have never seen colored versions of these, nor do I remember seeing anyone other than the Cowboys or OU using them:

    Romo:

    link

    Sam Bradford of OU, and my pick for the Heisman:

    link

    Peyton Hillis:

    link

    Jay Cutler:

    link

    Hillis and Cutler:

    link

    Broncos LB #59 Wesley Woodard, with a Revo Speed:

    link

    Ole Miss switched from blue to red jerseys in the second half of the 1985 game with LSU. Can someone with Lexis/Nexis access research this for the needed “proof”?

    [quote comment=”302805″][quote comment=”302803″][quote comment=”302801″][quote comment=”302797″]Lightning Thirds:

    Really don’t understand the armpit stripes. Seems like a really random place to have striping and is very distracting when I see a jersey with them. Watched a game with BUF wearing their thirds and they have the same ‘Pit Stripes’ as TB.

    I know we have the ‘Bettman Stripes’:

    link

    link

    Should we come up with a nickname for these too?[/quote]

    The armpit strpes for the Bolts came from Phil Esposito. It was his little input into the design of the unis. His reasoning was the only time you should see them is when a player scores a goal or raises the Stanley Cup. I like the Lightning third jersey as most people in the Bay Area refer to them as the Bolts anyway it is probably more liked in that area versus nationwide.[/quote]

    So they’d be “EspoPits”?[/quote]

    The Esposito ‘stripes’ you are referring to are the areas directly in the armpit which have been on their uni since they came into the league. I am refering to the gray stripe on the thirds that surrounds the armpit.

    link

    Ah I got you. I misunderstood your first quote. Maybe they are there to have a slimming effect?

    [quote comment=”302813″]While catching the last drive of the Broncos/Jets fiasco yesterday, I noticed some of the Broncos wearing a Strap-Lok on their high chin-strap hook-ups.

    I have never seen colored versions of these, nor do I remember seeing anyone other than the Cowboys or OU using them:

    Romo:

    link

    Sam Bradford of OU, and my pick for the Heisman:

    link

    Peyton Hillis:

    link

    Jay Cutler:

    link

    Hillis and Cutler:

    link

    Broncos LB #59 Wesley Woodard, with a Revo Speed:

    link

    Can’t remember who (LT maybe?) but I saw at least one of the Chargers wearning them yesterday in their loss to the Falcons.

    sorry to offer a cumbersome link, but as to the long sleeves on Tony Crocker at OU:

    link;

    if you select the OU/Purdue MBB game, you’ll see that he’s wearing red long sleeves (images 27, 33, 35). if you select the OU/Miss. Valley St. MBB game, you see that he’s wearing white short sleeves (image 14).

    have no idea why.

    PL, I figured you would have also made mention of the hanger that varsity sweater was hanging on. “Dry Cleaning Co. Binghamton (NY)” Interesting that a guy from Toronto has this hanger.

    [quote comment=”302811″]espodrilles? espolauttes?

    /done now[/quote]

    Yeah, but they LOOK like an UnderWire.

    Sorta.

    I was watching an Arsenal Champions League recording this weekend when something hit me, they use lcNOBs. This is their 7th CL game, so this is not really new.

    link

    During EPL competition they use standard all capital names.
    link
    I know the numbers are a standardized font in the EPL, and think the NOB letters may be too.

    Re: Sean Taylor tribute, Tony Siragusa had the “21” button on as well during the broadcast.

    [quote comment=”302816″][quote comment=”302813″]While catching the last drive of the Broncos/Jets fiasco yesterday, I noticed some of the Broncos wearing a Strap-Lok on their high chin-strap hook-ups.

    I have never seen colored versions of these, nor do I remember seeing anyone other than the Cowboys or OU using them:

    Romo:

    link

    Sam Bradford of OU, and my pick for the Heisman:

    link

    Peyton Hillis:

    link

    Jay Cutler:

    link

    Hillis and Cutler:

    link

    Broncos LB #59 Wesley Woodard, with a Revo Speed:

    link

    Can’t remember who (LT maybe?) but I saw at least one of the Chargers wearning them yesterday in their loss to the Falcons.[/quote]

    Not LT:

    link

    link

    [quote comment=”302759″]If you watch these video highlights the 1985 USC/Notre Dame game (sent my way by Olivier Soweif), you’ll see that the Irish wore navy jerseys in the first half and green in the second half. Aside from lost-luggage situations and other logistical mishaps (like the Vikings famous mid-game jersey switcheroo back in the 1960s), are there any other examples of a team that intentionally wore two different uniforms in a game?

    Yes: In its final 1986 regular season basketball game, Virginia wore orange for one half against Maryland, and blue for the second half.

    On the Notre Dame uniforms: Faust switched the uniforms from green to blue when he took over because, he said, Notre Dame would always play in the color of the Holy Mother. He said even the green jerseys would have blue trim because of this, and in fact in 1983 when Notre Dame wore green jerseys against USC for the entire game the jerseys had blue trim (as they did in the 1995 Fiesta Bowl when Lou Holtz broke them out without success against Colorado). I can’t tell from the video whether the 1985 green jerseys had blue trim.[/quote]

    I remember that during the Gerry Faust years a great many of Notre Dame’s games were televised and rerun during the week on ESPN, and I recall numerous occasions (usually during the weekday reruns when I should have been in class) watching the Steve Beurlien ND teams wearing the green jerseys with a blue trim stripe on both sleeves.
    It always seemed to be during “garbage time” of a ND home game that the Beurlien Domers wore the green jerseys and he threw for tons of yards and stats in meaningless 4th quarter drives….

    I even remember his back-up, Ken Karcher, getting some action before he ended up as a starter at Tulane where he played quite a few great games …

    I believe this Green jersey/blue stripes uni went on for more than one year, and my uni-interested impression then, as now, was that it showed how Gerry Faust couldn’t seem to commit to blue or green, particularly after the big speech about blue being the color of the Holy Mother when he first got the ND job.

    [quote comment=”302793″]Dear Mr Wilf,
    Please please keep the REAL Vikings uniforms! It was so gratifying to see the traditional authentic Vikings uniforms on display last night. Take those other circus clown uniforms and consign them to a bonfire. No self-respecting professional sports team, other than a Bidwell-owned team, should wear such crap. For the love of Bud Grant, please switch back to the REAL uniforms.

    thank you,
    A Fan[/quote]

    Ditto !!!

    [quote comment=”302824″][quote comment=”302793″]Dear Mr Wilf,
    Please please keep the REAL Vikings uniforms! It was so gratifying to see the traditional authentic Vikings uniforms on display last night. Take those other circus clown uniforms and consign them to a bonfire. No self-respecting professional sports team, other than a Bidwell-owned team, should wear such crap. For the love of Bud Grant, please switch back to the REAL uniforms.

    thank you,
    A Fan[/quote]

    Ditto !!![/quote]

    Oops. Meant to say Ditto.

    Never understood why Vikes changed recently except that, like every other Minnesota team, they figured “everyone else is doing it.”

    This market—and I don’t mean just the sport teams—does virtually nothing first and everything second (or later).

    With the exception of Mall of America. Was absolutely amazed that thing actually got built. Cuz, y’know, except for up in Edmonton, nobody’d every done such a thing.

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”302820″]I was watching an Arsenal Champions League recording this weekend when something hit me, they use lcNOBs. This is their 7th CL game, so this is not really new.

    link

    During EPL competition they use standard all capital names.
    link
    I know the numbers are a standardized font in the EPL, and think the NOB letters may be too.[/quote]

    link.

    [quote comment=”302818″]PL, I figured you would have also made mention of the hanger that varsity sweater was hanging on. “Dry Cleaning Co. Binghamton (NY)” Interesting that a guy from Toronto has this hanger.[/quote]

    I think the sweater is from Union College in Schenectady, NY. They still use that style U today. Not sure how it gets to Binghamton and then Toronto.
    If it is from Union, the color is Garnet, not Burgundy.

    [quote comment=”302812″]Don’t have any proof (for now) other than my memory but I want to say sometime in the late 1970s or early 1980s that Ole Miss football wore blue jerseys in the first half against LSU and wore red in the second half.[/quote]

    I know quite a few old time LSU fans that remember attending a very rainy and muddy home game on the 1950’s, back when LSU wore PURPLE jerseys at home games (before the late 1950’s switch to their white-a-home template), and they swear that at halftime the LSU team switched into their faded practice jerseys that appeared to be navy blue in the wet 2nd half.

    In yesterday’s game at least three members of the Broncos’ O-Line had their shoulder pads hanging out uncovered due to the lack of sleeves on their jerseys. That looks exceptionally bad.

    [quote comment=”302811″]espodrilles? espolauttes?

    /done now[/quote]

    Officially, the stripes located in the armpits of Lightning players are called “victory stripes”.

    The loops, like most of the piping on the Rbk jerseys, serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever except to be a contrasting colour to the rest of the uniform’s colour.

    The piping is literally the closest jersey “addition” we have when looking for a “tits on a bull” comparison.

    [quote comment=”302831″][quote comment=”302811″]espodrilles? espolauttes?

    /done now[/quote]

    Officially, the stripes located in the armpits of Lightning players are called “victory stripes”.

    The loops, like most of the piping on the Rbk jerseys, serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever except to be a contrasting colour to the rest of the uniform’s colour.

    The piping is literally the closest jersey “addition” we have when looking for a “tits on a bull” comparison.[/quote]

    Gee, “Underwire” sounding better all the time.

    [quote comment=”302814″]Ole Miss switched from blue to red jerseys in the second half of the 1985 game with LSU. Can someone with Lexis/Nexis access research this for the needed “proof”?[/quote]

    A bit off the subject, but who can forget the early 1970’s SEC game of Alabama vs. Tennessee
    when their was a big argument between the coaches and university presidents and a whole big mess over who got to wear the dark jerseys and Alabama ended up wearing Crimson while Tennessee ended up wearing their home Orange !!!

    It actually was a pretty good color vs. color game, with quite a few photos appearing in sports Illustrated that yea. I believe it was 1970 or 1971.

    Anybody with more info ?

    [quote comment=”302800″]Chase Daniel of Mizzou wearing the Revolution Speed in the first pic of this gallery:

    link

    And I like the gold jerseys.[/quote]

    I liked the gold jerseys – HATE them paired w/ black pants (same for Cal, West VA, Oregon St. TN Titans, etc.). I’m a Mizzou guy – but they deserved to lose b/c of how shitty they looked. KU still sucks though.

    [quote comment=”302833″][quote comment=”302814″]Ole Miss switched from blue to red jerseys in the second half of the 1985 game with LSU. Can someone with Lexis/Nexis access research this for the needed “proof”?[/quote]

    A bit off the subject, but who can forget the early 1970’s SEC game of Alabama vs. Tennessee
    when their was a big argument between the coaches and university presidents and a whole big mess over who got to wear the dark jerseys and Alabama ended up wearing Crimson while Tennessee ended up wearing their home Orange !!!

    It actually was a pretty good color vs. color game, with quite a few photos appearing in sports Illustrated that yea. I believe it was 1970 or 1971.

    Anybody with more info ?[/quote]

    This here one here?
    link

    Also note on that right-facing Sabres logo that the decal on the helmet in that same photo has the buffalo facing the other way.

    [quote comment=”302752″]Little Help,

    Need to find a list of when MON will be wearing their centiennial jerseys this year.

    I’ve seen it before, but can’t seem to find it again.[/quote]

    Found the link you were needing, Jim.

    link

    [quote comment=”302835″][quote comment=”302833″][quote comment=”302814″]Ole Miss switched from blue to red jerseys in the second half of the 1985 game with LSU. Can someone with Lexis/Nexis access research this for the needed “proof”?[/quote]

    A bit off the subject, but who can forget the early 1970’s SEC game of Alabama vs. Tennessee
    when their was a big argument between the coaches and university presidents and a whole big mess over who got to wear the dark jerseys and Alabama ended up wearing Crimson while Tennessee ended up wearing their home Orange !!!

    It actually was a pretty good color vs. color game, with quite a few photos appearing in sports Illustrated that yea. I believe it was 1970 or 1971.

    Anybody with more info ?[/quote]

    This here one here?
    link

    Photos start p. 20

    [quote comment=”302835″][quote comment=”302833″][quote comment=”302814″]Ole Miss switched from blue to red jerseys in the second half of the 1985 game with LSU. Can someone with Lexis/Nexis access research this for the needed “proof”?[/quote]

    A bit off the subject, but who can forget the early 1970’s SEC game of Alabama vs. Tennessee
    when their was a big argument between the coaches and university presidents and a whole big mess over who got to wear the dark jerseys and Alabama ended up wearing Crimson while Tennessee ended up wearing their home Orange !!!

    It actually was a pretty good color vs. color game, with quite a few photos appearing in sports Illustrated that yea. I believe it was 1970 or 1971.

    Anybody with more info ?[/quote]

    This here one here?
    link

    Nice catch, Ricko!

    Got home last night and switched on NBC for the Sunday night game and was blown away by how great the Vikings looked. Actually, it was the uniform game of the day (edging Browns-Colts). Even the lame Metrodome couldn’t dampen that aesthetic beauty.

    I can’t fathom why anyone would favor Minny’s current arena clown suits over those bad ass throwbacks.

    Regarding the Thousand Oaks helmets, Iowa State used both predominantly cardinal and predominantly yellow helmets during the Jim Criner era in the ’80s. It was a dumb look, although the Cyclone logo was sweet. Here’s an adaptation for ISU crew link

    [quote comment=”302799″][quote comment=”302779″]my daughter is a soccer goalkeeper. i’ve seen the 0 and 00 as keeper numbers on the same team many times through the years. it’s not that unusual.[/quote]

    I am a soccer SID at a D1 school and about every team we played feature a 0 and 00. North Florida list players on their men’s team with 01 and 001 though they didn’t travel so I’m not sure if they have actual Jerseys with those numbers on them.[/quote]

    I run an junior college athletic web site and also can back up the fact the the goalkeepers seem to wear 0 and 00 alot

    Put me down as a Lightning fan who doesn’t mind the change of pace that is the third jersey at all. BOLTS is cool. We all call them that anyway.

    Yeah I was also just gonna mention the fact that you didn’t mention the double TV numbers on thew sleeves of Thousand Oaks, much more peculiar than alternating helmet colors.

    [quote comment=”302796″]re: Notre Dame, Digger and gold socks.

    Had a big ol’ shamrock somewhere, too, as I recall. Jerseys? Side of trunks? Can’t remember. Have a photo or two showing those gold socks at home.

    John Shumate was on those teams, wasn’t he?[/quote]

    I think the green socks did have a shamrock on the side. I think the pants had a shamrock in the years before then, when Adrian Dantley was playing and they wore bright gold in the great upset against UCLA.

    As for the three-color striping (blue/gold/green and then navy/gold/royal), the Hornets’ uniforms reminded me of them last year. Notre Dame has that recognizable tri-color striping on its uniforms, on its sweatbands, on its socks, and, yes, even on its specially made Adidas sneakers. It’s a classic look. I’d give anything for a blue/gold/green sweatband.

    Oh, and it wasn’t until I looked up sometime in the first quarter and actually paid attention that I noticed the Vikings were wearing the throwbacks. Suh-weet. With gray facemasks, no less! Which herded off a lot of bitching Uniwatchers saying “if you’re not going to do it right….”

    I played on a youth football team called the Vikings when I was 14 and we had those same unis, but with gold facemasks. Except me. I didn’t like the facemask they gave me, so I went and bought a bigger cage, but it was gray. I was the only one wearing a gray facemask.

    [quote comment=”302823″][quote comment=”302759″]If you watch these video highlights the 1985 USC/Notre Dame game (sent my way by Olivier Soweif), you’ll see that the Irish wore navy jerseys in the first half and green in the second half. Aside from lost-luggage situations and other logistical mishaps (like the Vikings famous mid-game jersey switcheroo back in the 1960s), are there any other examples of a team that intentionally wore two different uniforms in a game?

    Yes: In its final 1986 regular season basketball game, Virginia wore orange for one half against Maryland, and blue for the second half.

    On the Notre Dame uniforms: Faust switched the uniforms from green to blue when he took over because, he said, Notre Dame would always play in the color of the Holy Mother. He said even the green jerseys would have blue trim because of this, and in fact in 1983 when Notre Dame wore green jerseys against USC for the entire game the jerseys had blue trim (as they did in the 1995 Fiesta Bowl when Lou Holtz broke them out without success against Colorado). I can’t tell from the video whether the 1985 green jerseys had blue trim.[/quote]

    I remember that during the Gerry Faust years a great many of Notre Dame’s games were televised and rerun during the week on ESPN, and I recall numerous occasions (usually during the weekday reruns when I should have been in class) watching the Steve Beurlien ND teams wearing the green jerseys with a blue trim stripe on both sleeves.
    It always seemed to be during “garbage time” of a ND home game that the Beurlien Domers wore the green jerseys and he threw for tons of yards and stats in meaningless 4th quarter drives….

    I even remember his back-up, Ken Karcher, getting some action before he ended up as a starter at Tulane where he played quite a few great games …

    I believe this Green jersey/blue stripes uni went on for more than one year, and my uni-interested impression then, as now, was that it showed how Gerry Faust couldn’t seem to commit to blue or green, particularly after the big speech about blue being the color of the Holy Mother when he first got the ND job.[/quote]

    According to the Notre Dame uniform history (link), the Irish only wore green twice during the Faust era — once in the 1983 USC game and once in the second half of the 1985 USC game. Looks like by 1985 Faust had swtiched from royal back to blue. It never occurred to me before, but I guess that was about the time (1980-81) that the basketball team went to navy/gold/royal from navy/gold/green too.

    [quote]I was the only one wearing a gray facemask.[/quote]

    oh sure, kenn, way to say “look at me” ;)

    (although i do admire your sartorial sense, at least in terms of cage color)

    [quote comment=”302774″]I read in my youth watches were set to 8:20 because that was the time when Lincoln was shot. But it makes more sense the position of the hands should not obscure the logo. And I may have picked up that fact in a comic book.[/quote]

    I heard that, too.

    But it’s not true.

    Lincoln was shot around 10:15pm.

    (Kinda like the whole JFK/Marilyn Monroe/Lincoln/Monroe, Maryland canard, only less ribald.)

    [quote comment=”302850″][quote]I was the only one wearing a gray facemask.[/quote]

    oh sure, kenn, way to say “look at me” ;)

    (although i do admire your sartorial sense, at least in terms of cage color)[/quote]

    Dude, I was 14. I didn’t know jack about sports fashion. The face mask came in gray. I didn’t paint it. I put the old one back on when I turned in the equipment and kept the cage for many years. Lost it somewhere along the way.

    IIRC, link was the original face mask, which didn’t offer a lot of protection, and link was what I went and got (the one in the lower left).

    [quote comment=”302852″][quote comment=”302850″][quote]I was the only one wearing a gray facemask.[/quote]

    oh sure, kenn, way to say “look at me” ;)

    (although i do admire your sartorial sense, at least in terms of cage color)[/quote]

    Dude, I was 14. I didn’t know jack about sports fashion. The face mask came in gray. I didn’t paint it. I put the old one back on when I turned in the equipment and kept the cage for many years. Lost it somewhere along the way.

    IIRC, link was the original face mask, which didn’t offer a lot of protection, and link was what I went and got (the one in the lower left).[/quote]

    You went from Montana:

    link

    to Marino:

    link

    [quote comment=”302765″]Texans will be in all red tonight (jerseys and pants) for MNF against the Jaguars. I love the battle red jerseys. Wish they would make them a primary jersey and ditch the either white or blue ones. Just not sure if I like the red pants too, but it’s a different look. First Monday night game in Houston since 1994. link

    I like the red jerseys, too. But I like them paired with the white pants. The all-red look is not a good one. The first time they broke out the reds was a surprise. Pretty well kept secret until they came out of the tunnel. That was pretty cool. Reliant went nuts. It was one our rare wins, too.

    The problem with the red Texans uniforms — aside from the fact that they look like shit — is that the whole thing is a corporate sponsorship boondoggle (and the corporation in question also happens to be a war profiteer):
    link
    link

    [quote comment=”302853″][quote comment=”302852″][quote comment=”302850″][quote]I was the only one wearing a gray facemask.[/quote]

    oh sure, kenn, way to say “look at me” ;)

    (although i do admire your sartorial sense, at least in terms of cage color)[/quote]

    Dude, I was 14. I didn’t know jack about sports fashion. The face mask came in gray. I didn’t paint it. I put the old one back on when I turned in the equipment and kept the cage for many years. Lost it somewhere along the way.

    IIRC, link was the original face mask, which didn’t offer a lot of protection, and link was what I went and got (the one in the lower left).[/quote]

    You went from Montana:

    link

    to Marino:

    link

    I did.

    Considering I played mostly defensive end and some tight end, it made sense for me. I was also 6-0 and 126 pounds. Those were the days.

    Wore #88, too, so I’ve always been on the lookout for a nice Vikings throwback Alan Page jersey on eBay that I could afford.

    [quote comment=”302855″]The problem with the red Texans uniforms — aside from the fact that they look like shit — is that the whole thing is a corporate sponsorship boondoggle (and the corporation in question also happens to be a war profiteer):
    link
    link

    Well, there’s that.

    “Are there any other examples of a team that intentionally wore two different uniforms in a game?”

    Does Team USA switching to Mighty Ducks jerseys for the 3rd period against Iceland count?

    [quote comment=”302858″][quote comment=”302855″]The problem with the red Texans uniforms — aside from the fact that they look like shit — is that the whole thing is a corporate sponsorship boondoggle (and the corporation in question also happens to be a war profiteer):
    link
    link

    Well, there’s that.[/quote]

    Especially when we’re in a real shooting war somewhere, likening football to a “battle” always seems kinda cheesy. So does talking about a player as “a warrior.”

    Come on, people, it’s just a frickin’ football game.

    And, yeah, I know all about George Carlin’s routine and that such jargon is endemic to the sport. But, still…

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”302855″]The problem with the red Texans uniforms — aside from the fact that they look like shit — is that the whole thing is a corporate sponsorship boondoggle (and the corporation in question also happens to be a war profiteer[/quote]

    i think they should be sponsored by mapple

    [quote comment=”302859″]“Are there any other examples of a team that intentionally wore two different uniforms in a game?”

    Does Team USA switching to Mighty Ducks jerseys for the 3rd period against Iceland count?[/quote]

    In soccer, aren’t there ALWAYS four different uniforms, not only in the same game, but on the field at the same time? (Why DO the goalies wear different uniforms, anyway?)

    [quote comment=”302845″]Put me down as a Lightning fan who doesn’t mind the change of pace that is the third jersey at all. BOLTS is cool. We all call them that anyway.[/quote]

    Except that they are a professional hockey team in a professional league who have registered their professional name as the “Tampa Bay Lightning”.

    Call them the Bolts casually. Call them the Bolts if you do highlights on television. Call them the Bolts if you’re anything but professional. When you’re on the ice as an NHL team, you’re professionally representing the Tampa Bay Lightning organization, its fans, and the businesses in the Tampa Bay area.

    When it comes to an NHL team producing jerseys with a nickname on them, that’s as low-brow as you can get. Whoever decided to slap the name “Bolts” on the alternate jersey deserves a kick in the nuts-and-bolts.

    [quote comment=”302863″][quote comment=”302845″]Put me down as a Lightning fan who doesn’t mind the change of pace that is the third jersey at all. BOLTS is cool. We all call them that anyway.[/quote]

    Except that they are a professional hockey team in a professional league who have registered their professional name as the “Tampa Bay Lightning”.

    Call them the Bolts casually. Call them the Bolts if you do highlights on television. Call them the Bolts if you’re anything but professional. When you’re on the ice as an NHL team, you’re professionally representing the Tampa Bay Lightning organization, its fans, and the businesses in the Tampa Bay area.

    When it comes to an NHL team producing jerseys with a nickname on them, that’s as low-brow as you can get. Whoever decided to slap the name “Bolts” on the alternate jersey deserves a kick in the nuts-and-bolts.[/quote]

    Isn’t this being said on the same site where an overwhelming majority seems to drool over the return of “Phila” to a 76ers uniform?

    [quote comment=”302863″][quote comment=”302845″]Put me down as a Lightning fan who doesn’t mind the change of pace that is the third jersey at all. BOLTS is cool. We all call them that anyway.[/quote]

    Except that they are a professional hockey team in a professional league who have registered their professional name as the “Tampa Bay Lightning”.

    Call them the Bolts casually. Call them the Bolts if you do highlights on television. Call them the Bolts if you’re anything but professional. When you’re on the ice as an NHL team, you’re professionally representing the Tampa Bay Lightning organization, its fans, and the businesses in the Tampa Bay area.

    When it comes to an NHL team producing jerseys with a nickname on them, that’s as low-brow as you can get. Whoever decided to slap the name “Bolts” on the alternate jersey deserves a kick in the nuts-and-bolts.[/quote]

    Agreed. Doesn’t come off as ‘Professional Organization’ to me at all.

    If you must have diagonal lettering, try using ‘Lightning’ as NYR have or COL used to have as thirds. Actually thought COL third was really sharp. Big Fan. Big improvement over their usual home/away sets.

    [quote comment=”302862″][quote comment=”302859″]“Are there any other examples of a team that intentionally wore two different uniforms in a game?”

    Does Team USA switching to Mighty Ducks jerseys for the 3rd period against Iceland count?[/quote]

    In soccer, aren’t there ALWAYS four different uniforms, not only in the same game, but on the field at the same time? (Why DO the goalies wear different uniforms, anyway?)[/quote]

    Probably to tell who can touch the ball with their hands and who can’t

    [quote comment=”302861″][quote comment=”302855″]The problem with the red Texans uniforms — aside from the fact that they look like shit — is that the whole thing is a corporate sponsorship boondoggle (and the corporation in question also happens to be a war profiteer[/quote]

    i think they should be sponsored by link[/quote]
    If that was the case, I could was the game on my MyPod! (Just hope I don’t run up a $1200 bill downloading songs!)

    what other teams, besides the “BOLTS”, use a nickname for either the team or the city in which they play on their uni?

    im thinking warriors with this, and i guess you could count this (although that’s more of an abbreviation than a nickname)…

    anyone?

    [quote comment=”302867″][quote comment=”302862″][quote comment=”302859″]“Are there any other examples of a team that intentionally wore two different uniforms in a game?”

    Does Team USA switching to Mighty Ducks jerseys for the 3rd period against Iceland count?[/quote]

    In soccer, aren’t there ALWAYS four different uniforms, not only in the same game, but on the field at the same time? (Why DO the goalies wear different uniforms, anyway?)[/quote]

    Probably to tell who can touch the ball with their hands and who can’t[/quote]

    Shouldn’t the fact that they’re the only ones with their back to the goal be clue enough?

    [quote comment=”302869″]what other teams, besides the “BOLTS”, use a nickname for either the team or the city in which they play on their uni?

    im thinking warriors with link, and i guess you could count link (although that’s more of an abbreviation than a nickname)…

    anyone?[/quote]

    Aren’t all team names nicknames? (like the Cubs are actually “The Chicago National League Ballclub”, at least according to their legal copyright statement)

    [quote comment=”302871″][quote comment=”302869″]what other teams, besides the “BOLTS”, use a nickname for either the team or the city in which they play on their uni?

    im thinking warriors with link, and i guess you could count link (although that’s more of an abbreviation than a nickname)…

    anyone?[/quote]

    Aren’t all team names nicknames? (like the Cubs are actually “The Chicago National League Ballclub”, at least according to their legal copyright statement)[/quote]

    aight smartass…a NICKNAME OF A NICKNAME then…like (using your logic) LIGHTNING is their ‘nickname’, but BOLTS is a nickname of a nickname

    example: PHILLIES is their name, and “FIGHTIN’S” would be a nickname…but do they put it on their jersey? NO

    or “METS” and “AMAZIN’S”

    shit like that

    [quote comment=”302873″][quote comment=”302871″][quote comment=”302869″]what other teams, besides the “BOLTS”, use a nickname for either the team or the city in which they play on their uni?

    im thinking warriors with link, and i guess you could count link (although that’s more of an abbreviation than a nickname)…

    anyone?[/quote]

    Aren’t all team names nicknames? (like the Cubs are actually “The Chicago National League Ballclub”, at least according to their legal copyright statement)[/quote]

    aight smartass…a NICKNAME OF A NICKNAME then…like (using your logic) LIGHTNING is their ‘nickname’, but BOLTS is a nickname of a nickname[/quote]

    The Ottawa Senators have their brand new SENS jersey.

    I think the green socks did have a shamrock on the side.

    No, they didn’t.

    I think the pants had a shamrock in the years before then, when Adrian Dantley was playing and they wore bright gold in the great upset against UCLA.

    Some years they did. Digger got into the habit of changing uniform styles after every two seasons. When ND broke the UCLA 88-game winning streak, they wore shamrocks on the front of the jerseys. A year or two later, in Dantley’s sophomore and junior seasons, the shamrocks were on the sides of the shorts, and “IRISH” in a stylized font was on the front. Digger went to the pale mint-green and beige uniforms later on because he was told that pure white uniforms didn’t look as good on television.

    As for the three-color striping (blue/gold/green and then navy/gold/royal), the Hornets’ uniforms reminded me of them last year. Notre Dame has that recognizable tri-color striping on its uniforms, on its sweatbands, on its socks, and, yes, even on its specially made Adidas sneakers. It’s a classic look. I’d give anything for a blue/gold/green sweatband.

    Adidas supplies their schools apparel with contrasting stripes (ND, for example, has white/old gold/white on a navy background; Indiana has white/black/white on crimson). These aren’t sold at retail; the retail versions have stripes of all one color, which would be illegal for use in NCAA competition.

    [quote comment=”302870″][quote comment=”302867″][quote comment=”302862″][quote comment=”302859″]“Are there any other examples of a team that intentionally wore two different uniforms in a game?”

    Does Team USA switching to Mighty Ducks jerseys for the 3rd period against Iceland count?[/quote]

    In soccer, aren’t there ALWAYS four different uniforms, not only in the same game, but on the field at the same time? (Why DO the goalies wear different uniforms, anyway?)[/quote]

    Probably to tell who can touch the ball with their hands and who can’t[/quote]

    Shouldn’t the fact that they’re the only ones with their back to the goal be clue enough?[/quote]
    Try really hard to watch soccer for 5 minutes (not being facetious, it’s hard!) and watch a corner kick. The defending team typically has 3 players directly in front of the goal, the keeper (goalie), and two defenders who guard the posts using any body part available (except for their hand and arms, of course).

    ok…ok…”SENS” “MAVS” “CAVS” … “D-BAGS”

    all excellent examples of abbreviations…i was referring to a team using a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MONICKER on their jersey (ala “LIGHTNING” and “BOLTS”)

    any examples of this in any sports?

    The logo on the Italian fencingteam’s socks is: Kappa – a sports manufacturer, they have sponsored many soccer teams including Italy a few years ago, Tottenham Hotspur (UK) and Werder Bremen (Germany). They are famous for their jerseys being skin tight and aren’t very popular with overweight fans!

    I’m not being difficult or taking sides here…
    but where would the service academies fit into this?
    They have nicknames…Cadets, Midshipmen, Falcons.
    But still says Army, Navy or Air Force on unis.
    Yeah, I guess they’re sorta in a category of their own that way, and this doesn’t really apply…is just more of an aside.
    (And where does “Black Knights” for Army come in? Although I don’t think that’s ever shown up on a uni. Then again, don’t recall seeing Cadets, Midshipmen or Falcons, either. Or did Air Force have Falcons on front of jerseys somewhere along the line.)

    Again, not being argumentative, just noting an oddity…and asking about uses of the nicknames.

    [quote comment=”302878″]http://www.nba.com/media/history/dal_uni_07.jpg

    link

    … not sure if those were supposed to be votes of approval of nicknames or against the use all together (I’ll with against).

    [quote comment=”302882″]ok…ok…”SENS” “MAVS” “CAVS” … “D-BAGS”

    all excellent examples of abbreviations…i was referring to a team using a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MONICKER on their jersey (ala “LIGHTNING” and “BOLTS”)

    any examples of this in any sports?[/quote]

    Those are contractions. Different animal.

    [quote comment=”302886″][quote comment=”302882″]ok…ok…”SENS” “MAVS” “CAVS” … “D-BAGS”

    all excellent examples of abbreviations…i was referring to a team using a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MONICKER on their jersey (ala “LIGHTNING” and “BOLTS”)

    any examples of this in any sports?[/quote]

    Those are contractions. Different animal.[/quote]

    How about then Devil Rays putting just Rays on their jerseys (the Green and White ones). Guess that goes with Mavs and Cavs.

    [quote comment=”302885″][quote comment=”302878″]http://www.nba.com/media/history/dal_uni_07.jpg

    link

    … not sure if those were supposed to be votes of approval of nicknames or against the use all together (I’ll with against).[/quote]

    George Mikan-era Lakers had “MPLS.” (including the punctuation, I think).

    I like this final sentence in the 10:10 on Watches article:

    “Watch geeks are interesting people,” Mr. Sandler said. “They’ll pick up on weird stuff like that from an ad.”

    [quote comment=”302888″][quote comment=”302885″][quote comment=”302878″]http://www.nba.com/media/history/dal_uni_07.jpg

    link

    … not sure if those were supposed to be votes of approval of nicknames or against the use all together (I’ll with against).[/quote]

    George Mikan-era Lakers had “MPLS.” (including the punctuation, I think).[/quote]

    Ron Harper, an intriguing basketball player, who had the potential for greatness.

    link

    While looking up Harper, I found these unis that I’ve never seen before:

    link

    [quote comment=”302886″][quote comment=”302882″]ok…ok…”SENS” “MAVS” “CAVS” … “D-BAGS”

    all excellent examples of abbreviations…i was referring to a team using a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MONICKER on their jersey (ala “LIGHTNING” and “BOLTS”)

    any examples of this in any sports?[/quote]

    I meant they’re a different animal from two totally different words…like Lightning and Bolts
    Those are contractions. Different animal.[/quote]

    FWIW, everyone calls DC’s hockey team the Caps. The team website is promoted as washingtoncaps.com. The current ad slogan is “Red is Caps hockey”. I don’t think anyone wants to see just “CAPS” on the jerseys like Ottawa.

    [quote comment=”302892″][quote comment=”302886″][quote comment=”302882″]ok…ok…”SENS” “MAVS” “CAVS” … “D-BAGS”

    all excellent examples of abbreviations…i was referring to a team using a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MONICKER on their jersey (ala “LIGHTNING” and “BOLTS”)

    any examples of this in any sports?[/quote]

    I meant they’re a different animal from two totally different words…like Lightning and Bolts
    Those are contractions. Different animal.[/quote][/quote]
    I haven’t followed the NBA in well ever, but the Seattle Supersonics have apparently put some sort of weird nickname on their jerseys… :-)
    link

    Just wondering…

    I’m aware that link were link very briefly, but has the full team name ever appeared on a jersey?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I love the chinstraps on that link. They remind me of the link. Kinda.

    [quote comment=”302884″]I’m not being difficult or taking sides here…
    but where would the service academies fit into this?
    They have nicknames…Cadets, Midshipmen, Falcons.
    But still says Army, Navy or Air Force on unis.
    Yeah, I guess they’re sorta in a category of their own that way, and this doesn’t really apply…is just more of an aside.
    (And where does “Black Knights” for Army come in? Although I don’t think that’s ever shown up on a uni. Then again, don’t recall seeing Cadets, Midshipmen or Falcons, either. Or did Air Force have Falcons on front of jerseys somewhere along the line.)

    Again, not being argumentative, just noting an oddity…and asking about uses of the nicknames.[/quote]

    I dug around the Army web site without any direct luck as to where Black Knights comes from. However, there was a lot of innuendo that it relates to the cavalry days.

    I was able to find this gem though:

    The first Army mule, however, pulled an ice wagon. He became a mascot when an officer at the Philadelphia Quartermaster Depot decided that Army needed something to counter the Navy goat in the 1899 game between the rival service academies.

    So the ice-wagon mule — an oversized white animal — was curried and groomed, then outfitted with leggings, a collar and a gray blanket. Black, gold and gray streamers fluttered from the mule’s ears and tail.

    The first meeting between the two mascots ended, according to Military Academy legend, when the mule whirled and “hoisted that astonished goat toward the Navy stands to the delight of the yelling, laughing crowd.” Twenty-five thousand people saw that game, a huge crowd for that time. It was the first Army-Navy game in Franklin Field at Philadelphia and Army won, 17-5.

    [quote comment=”302870″][quote comment=”302867″][quote comment=”302862″][quote comment=”302859″]“Are there any other examples of a team that intentionally wore two different uniforms in a game?”

    Does Team USA switching to Mighty Ducks jerseys for the 3rd period against Iceland count?[/quote]

    In soccer, aren’t there ALWAYS four different uniforms, not only in the same game, but on the field at the same time? (Why DO the goalies wear different uniforms, anyway?)[/quote]

    Probably to tell who can touch the ball with their hands and who can’t[/quote]

    Shouldn’t the fact that they’re the only ones with their back to the goal be clue enough?[/quote]

    Well no, not exactly…if he’she was wearing the same style jersey as everyone else, they could just stick anyone in the goalie box and say they are the goalie…plus other players have the back to the goal during the course of a game too

    [quote comment=”302793″]Dear Mr Wilf,
    Please please keep the REAL Vikings uniforms! It was so gratifying to see the traditional authentic Vikings uniforms on display last night. Take those other circus clown uniforms and consign them to a bonfire. No self-respecting professional sports team, other than a Bidwell-owned team, should wear such crap. For the love of Bud Grant, please switch back to the REAL uniforms.

    thank you,
    A Fan[/quote]
    I agree, And I am not a Vikings fan! They need to get rid of those turkish taffy togs!

    [quote comment=”302825″][quote comment=”302824″][quote comment=”302793″]Dear Mr Wilf,
    Please please keep the REAL Vikings uniforms! It was so gratifying to see the traditional authentic Vikings uniforms on display last night. Take those other circus clown uniforms and consign them to a bonfire. No self-respecting professional sports team, other than a Bidwell-owned team, should wear such crap. For the love of Bud Grant, please switch back to the REAL uniforms.

    thank you,
    A Fan[/quote]

    Ditto !!![/quote][/quote]

    DITTO!!!!

    They looked soooooooo much better!!

    [quote comment=”302899″][quote comment=”302870″][quote comment=”302867″][quote comment=”302862″][quote comment=”302859″]“Are there any other examples of a team that intentionally wore two different uniforms in a game?”

    Does Team USA switching to Mighty Ducks jerseys for the 3rd period against Iceland count?[/quote]

    In soccer, aren’t there ALWAYS four different uniforms, not only in the same game, but on the field at the same time? (Why DO the goalies wear different uniforms, anyway?)[/quote]

    Probably to tell who can touch the ball with their hands and who can’t[/quote]

    Shouldn’t the fact that they’re the only ones with their back to the goal be clue enough?[/quote]

    Well no, not exactly…if he’she was wearing the same style jersey as everyone else, they could just stick anyone in the goalie box and say they are the goalie…plus other players have the back to the goal during the course of a game too[/quote]

    In early soccer their was no unique goalkeeper. Whichever defender was closest the goal line was allowed to use their hands. I would tend to believe that a unique kit is a better way.

    Also, it is not a given that four distincts kits are worn. In MLS, where everyone wears addidas, it is not unusual that both keepers end up wearing shirts that differ only in club badge and sponsor. This is technically wrong, but practically never causes a problem.

    [quote comment=”302902″][quote comment=”302899″][quote comment=”302870″][quote comment=”302867″][quote comment=”302862″][quote comment=”302859″]“Are there any other examples of a team that intentionally wore two different uniforms in a game?”

    Does Team USA switching to Mighty Ducks jerseys for the 3rd period against Iceland count?[/quote]

    In soccer, aren’t there ALWAYS four different uniforms, not only in the same game, but on the field at the same time? (Why DO the goalies wear different uniforms, anyway?)[/quote]

    Probably to tell who can touch the ball with their hands and who can’t[/quote]

    Shouldn’t the fact that they’re the only ones with their back to the goal be clue enough?[/quote]

    Well no, not exactly…if he’she was wearing the same style jersey as everyone else, they could just stick anyone in the goalie box and say they are the goalie…plus other players have the back to the goal during the course of a game too[/quote]

    In early soccer their was no unique goalkeeper. Whichever defender was closest the goal line was allowed to use their hands. I would tend to believe that a unique kit is a better way.

    Also, it is not a given that four distincts kits are worn. In MLS, where everyone wears addidas, it is not unusual that both keepers end up wearing shirts that differ only in club badge and sponsor. This is technically wrong, but practically never causes a problem.[/quote]
    My personal style as a keeper was to wear the opposite of my teammates (assuming they wore the home whites and the away team did not wear red).

    [quote comment=”302861″][quote comment=”302855″]The problem with the red Texans uniforms — aside from the fact that they look like shit — is that the whole thing is a corporate sponsorship boondoggle (and the corporation in question also happens to be a war profiteer[/quote]

    i think they should be sponsored by link[/quote]
    Not to get too far off-topic, but didn’t that episode seem like it was about five years too late?

    iPods as comic fodder? Suspecting that the Muslim family that just moved in next door might be terrorists? They couldn’t find any topical material, like Britney Spears’ shaved head?

    The Los Angeles Kings wore both their white and black uniforms the night the debuted them in 1988. IIRC, they switched jerseys twice, wearing white in the first and third periods and black in the second. I believe they opened against the Red Wings, who wore red for all three periods.

    [quote comment=”302855″]The problem with the red Texans uniforms — aside from the fact that they look like shit — is that the whole thing is a corporate sponsorship boondoggle (and the corporation in question also happens to be a war profiteer):
    link
    link

    Aw, shit.

    Now I have to root for the friggin’ Jaguars.

    Wow … what a difference a new job makes … just saw (on someone eles’s computer, thank goodness) an e-mail titled “Best Nike Ad Ever!”. If you get this e-mail, it’s worth viewing, but probably not at the office.

    That’s all I’m sayin’.

    Oh, I know this is a little late, but I really liked Southern’s powder blue jerseys from the Bayou Classic. Those were sharp!!!

    [quote comment=”302855″]The problem with the red Texans uniforms — aside from the fact that they look like shit — is that the whole thing is a corporate sponsorship boondoggle (and the corporation in question also happens to be a war profiteer):
    link
    link

    Coca Cola was the original corporate tie-in with the red unis.

    Here’s a theory on the differing helmets in the HS game:

    I remember seeing something on Helmet Hut last year about how Iowa State, back in their gold helmet days, had a red helmet that they gave to the “player of the game” from the week before. Maybe it’s something like that, or parhaps a way to designate captains?

    [quote comment=”302882″]ok…ok…”SENS” “MAVS” “CAVS” … “D-BAGS”

    all excellent examples of abbreviations…i was referring to a team using a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MONICKER on their jersey (ala “LIGHTNING” and “BOLTS”)

    any examples of this in any sports?[/quote]

    Arkansas uses “hogs” on their bumpers.
    link

    Columbus Eastmoor Academy in Ohio (alma mater of 2-time Heisman winner Archie Griffin as well as several other Buckeyes throughout the years)wear a dark navy helmet with what kind of design on it?? Michigan stripes…gotta think that once they become a Buckeye there’s some sort of hazing for them to get that out of their system.

    Don’t know if this was discussed, but Oilers back up goalie Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers goes with just “Deslauriers” on his back

    older picture:
    link

    Apparently the Thousand Oaks green helmets are awarded for defensive excellence.
    link contains the following passage:
    “A tradition under previous coaches Joe Howell, Bob Richards and Mike Kelly was to award a green helmet to defensive standouts. Now all the Lancers wear green helmets.”

    So it appears that the tradition has been reinstated.

    Do I really have to be the guy who points out the obvious?

    When was the last time you saw ‘Hurricanes’ on a Univ of Miami (FL) uniform? Either its ‘MIAMI’, the ‘U’ or, more relevant to this argument ‘CANES’ as seen below…

    link

    [quote comment=”302912″][quote comment=”302882″]ok…ok…”SENS” “MAVS” “CAVS” … “D-BAGS”

    all excellent examples of abbreviations…i was referring to a team using a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MONICKER on their jersey (ala “LIGHTNING” and “BOLTS”)

    any examples of this in any sports?[/quote]

    Arkansas uses “hogs” on their bumpers.
    link
    UVa used to go with ‘HOOS’ before the ACC required everyone to put ‘ACC’ up on the nose bumper of the helmets… not sure if they still have them on the back…

    [quote comment=”302882″]ok…ok…”SENS” “MAVS” “CAVS” … “D-BAGS”

    all excellent examples of abbreviations…i was referring to a team using a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MONICKER on their jersey (ala “LIGHTNING” and “BOLTS”)

    any examples of this in any sports?[/quote]

    Earlier this century my local soccer team, Portsmouth FC, wore shirts which had POMPEY (Nickname of the team and the city) on the shirt tails (Under the number anyway)

    And Goalkeepers wear different kits to tell the difference and they are traditionally Green for the home team and Blue/Black for the away team

    [quote comment=”302918″][quote comment=”302882″]ok…ok…”SENS” “MAVS” “CAVS” … “D-BAGS”

    all excellent examples of abbreviations…i was referring to a team using a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MONICKER on their jersey (ala “LIGHTNING” and “BOLTS”)

    any examples of this in any sports?[/quote]

    Earlier this century my local soccer team, Portsmouth FC, wore shirts which had POMPEY (Nickname of the team and the city) on the shirt tails (Under the number anyway)

    And Goalkeepers wear different kits to tell the difference and they are traditionally Green for the home team and Blue/Black for the away team[/quote]

    Would it be seen in bad sportsmanship for a goalie to wear a color identical to that of the team they’re playing against?

    [quote comment=”302917″][quote comment=”302912″][quote comment=”302882″]ok…ok…”SENS” “MAVS” “CAVS” … “D-BAGS”

    all excellent examples of abbreviations…i was referring to a team using a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MONICKER on their jersey (ala “LIGHTNING” and “BOLTS”)

    any examples of this in any sports?[/quote]

    Arkansas uses “hogs” on their bumpers.
    link
    UVa used to go with ‘HOOS’ before the ACC required everyone to put ‘ACC’ up on the nose bumper of the helmets… not sure if they still have them on the back…[/quote]

    [quote comment=”302912″][quote comment=”302882″]ok…ok…”SENS” “MAVS” “CAVS” … “D-BAGS”

    all excellent examples of abbreviations…i was referring to a team using a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MONICKER on their jersey (ala “LIGHTNING” and “BOLTS”)

    any examples of this in any sports?[/quote]

    Arkansas uses “hogs” on their bumpers.
    link

    The Rams still wear “NFL” logos on their jerseys even though they no longer play professional football. Does that count?

    Ole Miss also switched jerseys against Mississippi State in 1986 in the Egg Bowl in Jackson, Miss. The game was played in a rainstorm, so the Rebels wore blue in the first half and changed to clean red jerseys for the second half.

    Doesn’t the Hornets have a jersey that says NOLA?

    Indiana Ice’s President died yesterday so they are going to wear a memorial black arm band on their jerseys this weekend then they are going to wear a patch with his initials the rest of the season.

    link

    I will be at the games like usual so I will try to get some pics of how the jerseys look, so the Ice might have a black arm band, a memorial patch then also the 10th anniversary patch the rest of the year now. If anyone else is in Naptown for the games take some pics.

    [quote comment=”302919″][quote comment=”302918″][quote comment=”302882″]ok…ok…”SENS” “MAVS” “CAVS” … “D-BAGS”

    all excellent examples of abbreviations…i was referring to a team using a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MONICKER on their jersey (ala “LIGHTNING” and “BOLTS”)

    any examples of this in any sports?[/quote]

    Earlier this century my local soccer team, Portsmouth FC, wore shirts which had POMPEY (Nickname of the team and the city) on the shirt tails (Under the number anyway)

    And Goalkeepers wear different kits to tell the difference and they are traditionally Green for the home team and Blue/Black for the away team[/quote]

    Would it be seen in bad sportsmanship for a goalie to wear a color identical to that of the team they’re playing against?[/quote]

    Actually, it would be against the laws (yes, laws, not rules) of the game.

    link

    Page 20 of the .pdf file; page 18 of the manual.

    Further, because the goalkeeper of the other team is also one of the other players, the goalkeepers’ jerseys are supposed to be different from each other, as well.

    [quote comment=”302919″][quote comment=”302918″]
    And Goalkeepers wear different kits to tell the difference and they are traditionally Green for the home team and Blue/Black for the away team[/quote]

    Would it be seen in bad sportsmanship for a goalie to wear a color identical to that of the team they’re playing against?[/quote]

    The Ref would probably ask him to change it if there were clashes.

    Jing Xu notes that the Hawaii women’s soccer team appears to have a No. 0 and and a No. 00.

    If you look closely on the left side of the photo, they also have a No. 2 and a No. 22.

    (Slapping self silly for being a smart ass…)

    I’m pretty sure that at one point, Gonzaga had “Zags” on their basketball jersey. “Zags” has never been the school mascot, and the school has gone so far as to implore people not to refer to the school as such (just like USC doesn’t want you to call them Southern Cal and Washington State doesn’t want you to say Wazzu).

    Strangely, the school’s original nickname was the “fighting Irish,” which is shocking, considering the intense rivaly (or mutual hatred) between Notre Dame and every Jesuit school out there.

    OK, I’m an idiot. There may have been a time when they didin’t want you saying “Zags,” but that time has passed, seeing how the term is part of their Web address.

    [quote comment=”302793″]Dear Mr Wilf,
    Please please keep the REAL Vikings uniforms! It was so gratifying to see the traditional authentic Vikings uniforms on display last night. Take those other circus clown uniforms and consign them to a bonfire. No self-respecting professional sports team, other than a Bidwell-owned team, should wear such crap. For the love of Bud Grant, please switch back to the REAL uniforms.

    thank you,
    A Fan[/quote]

    Well stated…you should also send a note to the Buffalo Bill’s as well…!!!

    [quote comment=”302923″][quote comment=”302919″][quote comment=”302918″][quote comment=”302882″]ok…ok…”SENS” “MAVS” “CAVS” … “D-BAGS”

    all excellent examples of abbreviations…i was referring to a team using a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MONICKER on their jersey (ala “LIGHTNING” and “BOLTS”)

    any examples of this in any sports?[/quote]

    Earlier this century my local soccer team, Portsmouth FC, wore shirts which had POMPEY (Nickname of the team and the city) on the shirt tails (Under the number anyway)

    And Goalkeepers wear different kits to tell the difference and they are traditionally Green for the home team and Blue/Black for the away team[/quote]

    Would it be seen in bad sportsmanship for a goalie to wear a color identical to that of the team they’re playing against?[/quote]

    Actually, it would be against the laws (yes, laws, not rules) of the game.

    link

    Page 20 of the .pdf file; page 18 of the manual.

    Further, because the goalkeeper of the other team is also one of the other players, the goalkeepers’ jerseys are supposed to be different from each other, as well.[/quote]

    Each team has 2 separate kits, their primary and their alternate. The goalkeepers also have 2 jerseys. The home team chooses what they asre going to wear for position players, then the road team chooses their position kit, then the home team GK picks, then the road team GK. After all of that is done, the Officials then have 5 different tops to pick from, to avoid matching with all of those colors.

    No word on the glorious throwbacks worn this weekend by the Bills and the Vikings?? Someone really needs to intervene and make these teams wear these unis for every game.

    [quote comment=”302930″]
    Each team has 2 separate kits, their primary and their alternate. The goalkeepers also have 2 jerseys. The home team chooses what they asre going to wear for position players, then the road team chooses their position kit, then the home team GK picks, then the road team GK. After all of that is done, the Officials then have 5 different tops to pick from, to avoid matching with all of those colors.[/quote]

    That sums it up, apart from the Premier league teams who have about 4 kits. It’s a shame Throwbacks never caught on over here, would be nice to see some of the old kits, Man U’s classic Red shirts in the old style or Pompey wearing the Pink from the early 1900’s

    [quote comment=”302933″]I’m waiting in anticipation for a Montreal “Habs” jersey[/quote]

    ha…you’ll see the leafs hoisting lord stanley before you see a “HABS” sweater

    both will happen when hell freezes over

    When I used to cover Thousand Oaks football back in the 90s, I seem to recall their “player of the week” go to wear a different colored brain bucket for the next week.

    [quote comment=”302901″][quote comment=”302825″][quote comment=”302824″][quote comment=”302793″]Dear Mr Wilf,
    Please please keep the REAL Vikings uniforms! It was so gratifying to see the traditional authentic Vikings uniforms on display last night. Take those other circus clown uniforms and consign them to a bonfire. No self-respecting professional sports team, other than a Bidwell-owned team, should wear such crap. For the love of Bud Grant, please switch back to the REAL uniforms.

    thank you,
    A Fan[/quote]

    Ditto !!![/quote][/quote]

    DITTO!!!!

    They looked soooooooo much better!![/quote]

    Worth noting they PLAYED better, too. All around, perhaps best game this season.

    [quote comment=”302932″][quote comment=”302930″]
    Each team has 2 separate kits, their primary and their alternate. The goalkeepers also have 2 jerseys. The home team chooses what they asre going to wear for position players, then the road team chooses their position kit, then the home team GK picks, then the road team GK. After all of that is done, the Officials then have 5 different tops to pick from, to avoid matching with all of those colors.[/quote]

    That sums it up, apart from the Premier league teams who have about 4 kits. It’s a shame Throwbacks never caught on over here, would be nice to see some of the old kits, Man U’s classic Red shirts in the old style or Pompey wearing the Pink from the early 1900’s[/quote]

    Didn’t ManU wear throwbacks for their 50th anniversary of the Munich crash?

    [quote comment=”302882″]ok…ok…”SENS” “MAVS” “CAVS” … “D-BAGS”

    all excellent examples of abbreviations…i was referring to a team using a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MONICKER on their jersey (ala “LIGHTNING” and “BOLTS”)

    any examples of this in any sports?[/quote]
    Do you count PHX?
    link

    [quote comment=”302936″][quote comment=”302901″][quote comment=”302825″][quote comment=”302824″][quote comment=”302793″]Dear Mr Wilf,
    Please please keep the REAL Vikings uniforms! It was so gratifying to see the traditional authentic Vikings uniforms on display last night. Take those other circus clown uniforms and consign them to a bonfire. No self-respecting professional sports team, other than a Bidwell-owned team, should wear such crap. For the love of Bud Grant, please switch back to the REAL uniforms.

    thank you,
    A Fan[/quote]

    Ditto !!![/quote][/quote]

    DITTO!!!!

    They looked soooooooo much better!![/quote]

    Worth noting they PLAYED better, too. All around, perhaps best game this season.[/quote]

    And on another note…the Vikes have not been back to the Super Bowl since they went indoors…coincidence…or not!!!???!!!

    [quote comment=”302942″]Isnt Dodgers a shortened version of “Trolleydodgers”?[/quote]

    Technically, yes, even though the “Trolley” was dropped long before they left Brooklyn. Although I remember thinking it kinda made keeping the name in L.A. alright because if anyone asked about it they could have answered…
    “Well, now it means ‘Freeway Traffic’ Dodgers.”

    wow, the solid red texans unis tonight just dont look great

    all blue with red socks wouldnt look bad…. but

    Kornheiser:

    I think these uniforms make the Texans look like ketchup bottles. I know they’re lucky for them… but they look silly.

    just thought i’d share that the “paint the town red shirts” the Texans fans are wearing have ‘Haliburton” in HUGE letters on the bottom of the shirt. That’s not logo creep, that is
    Logo Curb-stomp

    I was watching tonight’s Blue Jackets game and they were mentioning how Canucks goalie Roberto Luongo wears the captain’s “C” on his helmet and not on his jersey. Apparently goalies are not allowed to have the “C” on their jersey but any non-goalie can. Does anyone know why? They didn’t explain it very well on the Blue Jackets’ telecast.

    [quote comment=”302939″][quote comment=”302882″]ok…ok…”SENS” “MAVS” “CAVS” … “D-BAGS”

    all excellent examples of abbreviations…i was referring to a team using a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MONICKER on their jersey (ala “LIGHTNING” and “BOLTS”)

    any examples of this in any sports?[/quote]
    Do you count PHX?
    link

    PHX is Phoenix shorthand, so I’d put it with The other examples of truncated names.

    As someone who currently covers Thousand Oaks High on occasion, I can confirm that the green helmets are for player of the week awards. i was actually talking with the current coach, Mike Leiben, about this recently and he said that one of the reasons he switched the team back to white helmets when he became coach was to reinstate the Green Helmet award – but the reason he went to the faux-Michigan look was that he didn’t like the solid white helmets.

    [quote comment=”302948″]Kornheiser:

    I think these uniforms make the Texans look like ketchup bottles. I know they’re lucky for them… but they look silly.[/quote]

    They should wear blue socks if going with all red. There needs to be contrast between the socks and pants. That is for all football uniforms. Dreaded leotard effect.

    [quote comment=”302936″]
    Worth noting they PLAYED better, too. All around, perhaps best game this season.[/quote]
    The Bears tend to have that effect on the opposition.

    [quote comment=”302779″]my daughter is a soccer goalkeeper. i’ve seen the 0 and 00 as keeper numbers on the same team many times through the years. it’s not that unusual.[/quote]

    Actually, it all just stems from an NCAA rule that all players must wear a number. Since 0 and 00 are visually different numbers, most teams assign their keepers 0, 00 and 1. That way they can pre-order keeper jerseys with numbers on them.

    Wow, my high school (Centerville) is featured, and then my college (U of dayton) is in the ticker. Who has had that happen to them?

    I realize this isn’t part of today’s talk. But, the NFL needs to get longer sleeves (as in few years back). Otherwise you end up with unsightly hair. link

    I am sorry to use, Tyler Thigpen as an example, but I am sure this is not the only case in the NFL.

    [quote comment=”302932″][quote comment=”302930″]
    Each team has 2 separate kits, their primary and their alternate. The goalkeepers also have 2 jerseys. The home team chooses what they asre going to wear for position players, then the road team chooses their position kit, then the home team GK picks, then the road team GK. After all of that is done, the Officials then have 5 different tops to pick from, to avoid matching with all of those colors.[/quote]

    That sums it up, apart from the Premier league teams who have about 4 kits. It’s a shame Throwbacks never caught on over here, would be nice to see some of the old kits, Man U’s classic Red shirts in the old style or Pompey wearing the Pink from the early 1900’s[/quote]

    It’s not that they never caught on, its just that its impractical to come up with an EXACT replica of the old kit. Its a far better earner to occasionally bring back old styles and design elements every few years anyway, in between newer designs (imagine every team doing what the Jets did after ’94, but on a regular basis)

    The Texans all red is not good. The Redskins all burgundy is not good. The Seahawks all blue is good.

    [quote comment=”302961″]Must be absolutely frigid in Houston tonight. The zebras are wearing their toasty-warm black trousers.[/quote]

    I was about to say that it has to be between 50 and 80 or the roof would be closed, but then I remembered that the roof was damaged during Ike, so it’s been open all season.

    BTW, love the leather jacket on Del Rio, especially considering he’s in the home of the biggest rodeo in Texas.

    [quote comment=”302961″]Must be absolutely frigid in Houston tonight. The zebras are wearing their toasty-warm black trousers.[/quote]

    Game time temperature at kick-off was a “bone-chilling” 49 degrees…I wonder if the “zebras” squat when they pee…

    [quote comment=”302966″][quote comment=”302961″]Must be absolutely frigid in Houston tonight. The zebras are wearing their toasty-warm black trousers.[/quote]

    Game time temperature at kick-off was a “bone-chilling” 49 degrees…I wonder if the “zebras” squat when they pee…[/quote]

    post of the day

    [quote comment=”302951″]I was watching tonight’s Blue Jackets game and they were mentioning how Canucks goalie Roberto Luongo wears the captain’s “C” on his helmet and not on his jersey. Apparently goalies are not allowed to have the “C” on their jersey but any non-goalie can. Does anyone know why?

    They didn’t explain it very well on the Blue Jackets’ telecast.[/quote]

    Captains are required to speak to the referees over matters. Since leaving the crease and skating the length of the ice to tend to a matter would give your team an unofficial timeout, goalies were banned from being on-ice captains.

    [quote comment=”302968″][quote comment=”302966″][quote comment=”302961″]Must be absolutely frigid in Houston tonight. The zebras are wearing their toasty-warm black trousers.[/quote]

    Game time temperature at kick-off was a “bone-chilling” 49 degrees…I wonder if the “zebras” squat when they pee…[/quote]

    post of the day[/quote]
    I second that.

    From ESPN.com’s NFL Hangover-

    We need to help the Dolphins’ logo, people. And quick. The logo always has been strange. I mean, why is the dolphin on the Dolphins’ helmet wearing a different helmet? And, really — why is it wearing a helmet at all? But on Sunday I realized they are using the crime of poor design to distract us from a far worse crime: They are smothering those dolphins! Look at this. And this. Note the location of the blowhole. Now look at this. The helmet is not on the dolphin’s head. No, it is affixed tightly over … the BLOWHOLE! It can’t breathe! Why, that’s not an angry face on the dolphin. It’s just concentrating on holding its breath until we rescue it. To Miami: Save the dolphins!

    here’s the link to it- link

    Drew Rosenhaus is on MNF. Nice of him to evoke the name of Sean Taylor to try to get some sympathy for Plexiglass Burress. Real classy.

    On the topic of the monochrome look…

    Monochrome Christmas tree lights: yea or nay?

    I’ve always hated all-white lights on the tree (Mom always insisted on them because she thinks colorful lights are tacky) but on the outside of the house, I like solid white.

    In the past, we’ve done solid purple, solid green and solid red on the tree. Last year and this year, we’ve gone with multicolor LEDs and they look spectacular.

    Yes, spectacular.

    Outside, we’ve got two tiers of bushes. The upper tier is solid red and the lower tier is solid green.

    [quote comment=”302971″]The helmet is not on the dolphin’s head. No, it is affixed tightly over … the BLOWHOLE! It can’t breathe![/quote]
    Maybe it’s a Schutt Air Advantage.

    [quote comment=”302972″]Drew Rosenhaus is on MNF. Nice of him to evoke the name of Sean Taylor to try to get some sympathy for Plexiglass Burress. Real classy.[/quote]

    Sadly, that’s Drew being Drew.

    [quote comment=”302975″][quote comment=”302971″]The helmet is not on the dolphin’s head. No, it is affixed tightly over … the BLOWHOLE! It can’t breathe![/quote]
    Maybe it’s a Schutt Air Advantage.[/quote]

    paging matt powers

    [quote comment=”302974″] I’ve always hated all-white lights on the tree (Mom always insisted on them because she thinks colorful lights are tacky)[/quote]

    she’s right.

    [quote comment=”302972″]Drew Rosenhaus is on MNF. Nice of him to evoke the name of Sean Taylor to try to get some sympathy for Plexiglass Burress. Real classy.[/quote]

    No, he didn’t. He did? What a creep.

    [quote comment=”302982″][quote comment=”302972″]Drew Rosenhaus is on MNF. Nice of him to evoke the name of Sean Taylor to try to get some sympathy for Plexiglass Burress. Real classy douchebag.[/quote]

    No, he didn’t. He did?

    What a creep piece of shit.[/quote]

    (fixed)

    [quote comment=”302963″][quote comment=”302932″]That sums it up, apart from the Premier league teams who have about 4 kits. It’s a shame Throwbacks never caught on over here, would be nice to see some of the old kits, Man U’s classic Red shirts in the old style or Pompey wearing the Pink from the early 1900’s[/quote]

    It’s not that they never caught on, its just that its impractical to come up with an EXACT replica of the old kit. Its a far better earner to occasionally bring back old styles and design elements every few years anyway, in between newer designs (imagine every team doing what the Jets did after ’94, but on a regular basis)[/quote]
    Prem clubs are more like football – they take old designs and apply them to modern standards, as though the team never changed the basic design but the uniform kept evolving (unlike baseball, which often replicates old materials and uniform fits).

    There have actually been a fair number of throwback-inspired kits, at least among the larger teams. Man U has worn green and yellow halves, Tottenham did something similar a couple years ago with their white and blue.

    And who could forget Arsenal? They spent the entire 2005-2006 season wearing link.

    [quote comment=”302983″][quote comment=”302982″][quote comment=”302972″]Drew Rosenhaus is on MNF. Nice of him to evoke the name of Sean Taylor to try to get some sympathy for Plexiglass Burress. Real classy douchebag.[/quote]

    No, he didn’t. He did?

    What a creep piece of shit.[/quote]

    (fixed)[/quote]

    Funny – my first instinct was to write “What an ass” but thought I’d take the high route….

    [quote comment=”302964″]The Texans all red is not good. The Redskins all burgundy is not good. The Seahawks all blue is good.[/quote]

    Why do these teams subject us to their worst looks on Monday night?

    [quote comment=”302986″][quote comment=”302964″]The Texans all red is not good. The Redskins all burgundy is not good. The Seahawks all blue is good.[/quote]

    Why do these teams subject us to their worst looks on Monday night?[/quote]
    Never understood it.

    Your moment in the spotlight, wouldn’t you want to showcase your brand, rather than going for some one-off tangent?

    [quote comment=”302987″][quote comment=”302986″][quote comment=”302964″]The Texans all red is not good. The Redskins all burgundy is not good. The Seahawks all blue is good.[/quote]

    Why do these teams subject us to their worst looks on Monday night?[/quote]
    Never understood it.

    Your moment in the spotlight, wouldn’t you want to showcase your brand, rather than going for some one-off tangent?[/quote]

    Houston wore the Reds the last time they were on National TV (Thursday Night last year) and they won that game.

    [quote comment=”302988″][quote comment=”302987″][quote comment=”302986″][quote comment=”302964″]The Texans all red is not good. The Redskins all burgundy is not good. The Seahawks all blue is good.[/quote]

    Why do these teams subject us to their worst looks on Monday night?[/quote]
    Never understood it.

    Your moment in the spotlight, wouldn’t you want to showcase your brand, rather than going for some one-off tangent?[/quote]

    Houston wore the Reds the last time they were on National TV (Thursday Night last year) and they won that game.[/quote]

    It’s still a rare alt for them. Most of the people who watch their games on national television won’t ever see their standard look (or anything like it). How the heck does that build brand recognition, or help their uniform become iconic?

    Another observation from MNF: Did anyone else notice that the pylon wasn’t where it was supposed to be for the first Houston TD? It was way back at the other side of the white around the field.

    [quote comment=”302989″][quote comment=”302988″][quote comment=”302987″][quote comment=”302986″][quote comment=”302964″]The Texans all red is not good. The Redskins all burgundy is not good. The Seahawks all blue is good.[/quote]

    Why do these teams subject us to their worst looks on Monday night?[/quote]
    Never understood it.

    Your moment in the spotlight, wouldn’t you want to showcase your brand, rather than going for some one-off tangent?[/quote]

    Houston wore the Reds the last time they were on National TV (Thursday Night last year) and they won that game.[/quote]

    It’s still a rare alt for them. Most of the people who watch their games on national television won’t ever see their standard look (or anything like it). How the heck does that build brand recognition, or help their uniform become iconic?[/quote]

    Because the NFL is so sold on itself it thinks that as long as a product has an NFL logo on it, that’s branding.

    Unfortunately, for most of the general public, that IS enough.

    Why sell water if they’ll buy sand?

    I enjoyed the Lightning 3rd jerseey slideshow. My favorite part was where it said “Click here to here goalie Mike Smith talk about the third jersey.”

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