[Editor’s Note: Pittsburgh-based reader Doug Keklak recently got a DVD set of a notable chapter in uniform history and put together an entry based on his many observations. Enjoy. — PL]
By Doug Keklak
Last Christmas I was lucky enough to get the 1979 World Series DVD set, which contains the full game broadcasts, not just the half-hour tape that MLB Productions used to put out.
The DVD quality is spotty at times, and my screen shots are simply cell phone pics of my PC, so the image quality here isn’t the greatest, but I think they’re good enough to have a conversation about the topic. Here are the highlights:
• When you hear the term “Stargell Stars,” you tend to think about the pillbox caps. But they were apparently awarded on batting helmets too. I don’t if they were a different composition (cloth on caps, stickers on helmets) because it’s hard to tell. [Also: Note Matty Alexander’s hand-numbered sweatbands. — PL] Since Manny Sanguillen wore his cap under his helmet, you can see his cap stars under his helmet brim.
• I dug these dugout jackets, especially with the black pants.
• The O’s white jerseys had some real radial arching that you didn’t see on the gray or orange jerseys. Compare Tippy Martinez in white vs. gray.
• Speaking of Baltimore’s NOBs, holy letter spacing, Batman!
• Here are some shots of Gary Roenicke’s faceguard.
• Even though I’m a Pittsburgh fan, Rick Dempsey was always one of my favorite players (I was a catcher), and I was slightly obsessed with him being one of the last (and ultimately the very last) catchers to wear a cap under his mask, instead of a helmet (additional shots here, here, and here).
• Growing up in the Pirates’ mix-and-match era, I always thought it was odd that the black jerseys used a different NOB font. Shorter names (three to five letters) were often rendered in much larger lettering, but not always. I couldn’t get a good grab of Ed Ott, but his was larger too.
• The Pirates had Bill and Don Robinson on the roster, but there were inconsistencies regarding the use of first initials. In black, they both had the initial; in yellow, however, neither of them had it. Bill had the initial on the home whites, but Don didn’t play in that game and the whites weren’t used again in the Series, so I’m not sure about his initial. (Incidentally, Bill was traded to the Phillies in ’82 but Don continued to sport the “D.” on his jersey well after that.)
• Everyone knows that this Pirates team was called “The Family,” after the Sister Sledge song. This even extended to the dugout.
• Many Uni Watch readers know about this Kent Tekulve T-shirt. But here’s the original Tekulve T-shirt. And look: Tekulve even batted (back when closers pitched more than one inning and actually had to bat).
• Question for Baltimore fans: I know who Wild Bill Hagy is, but who’s this guy?
• Although I always remember this as one of the more colorful World Series, the O’s only sported their orange jerseys in Games 1 and 7. (During the Game 7 broadcast, Keith Jackson erroneously referred to them as “goldenrod,” which I think is actually closer to the Pirates’ yellow.) As for the Pirates, they sported four different combos — Games 1 and 5: yellow cap, black jersey, yellow pants, black stirrups; Games 2, 6, and 7: black cap, yellow jersey, black pants, yellow stirrups; Game 3: black cap, white jersey, white pants, black stirrups; and Game 4: black cap, yellow jersey, yellow pants, black stirrups. If I seem a tad obsessed with this, it’s because I tried out for the old ESPN game show 2 Minute Drill back in 2001. My specialty category, if I would have made it to the end of the show, was the ’79 series. The month leading up to my tryout I watched the half hour highlights of this series EVERY DAY.
• The pillbox cap was never a good look when worn backwards (that’s Manny Sanguillen, who was nearing the end of his career). The only shots I’ve seen of the pillbox under catchers’ masks are from these baseball cards: Gary Alexander and Milt May.
• Mascot Watch: old skinny Parrot vs. new fat parrot. I like Jolly Roger better than either of them!
• Why the hell was Bill Madlock watching the end of Game 7 in what appears to have been a laundry room?
• Good thing fans aren’t allowed to rush the field following baseball games anymore. You might not be able to tell from the upper-left portion of this shot, but trust me, the video shows Steve Nicosia beating the hell out of some kid.
One other note about the mix-and-match era: When the mix-and-matches debuted in 1977, there were no names on the back. I remember seeing pictures of Goose Gossage, in his only season with the Bucs, with no name on his jersey. I read somewhere, but cannot verify 100%, that the National League instituted a rule that a team’s road uniform had to have names on the back and since the Pirates didn’t have just one road combo — they wore all their uniform elements at home and on the road — they put the names on all the jerseys. Whether or not that is true, the names were on all colors of the jerseys through the end of the mix-and-match era. [This is basically correct: The N.L. mandated NOBs for road jerseys in 1979, so that’s when the Bucs added them throughout their set. But in ’77 and ’78 they were NNOB, as seen in this shot of Goose Gossage in the 1977 All-Star Game. — PL]
If you want to see even more screen shots from the ’79 Series, I’ve got them grouped by game here.
Raffle Reminder: Paul here. I’m raffling off two copies of the Yankee Stadium: Baseball’s Cathedral DVD. To enter, send a blank e-mail with your name and address to uniraffle [at] earthlink [dot] net (not to the usual Uni Watch e-mail address, please) by 10pm tomorrow. One entry per person, but everyone enrolled in the Uni Watch membership program at the time of the drawing will automatically get three bonus entries. I’ll announce the winner on Monday.
Uni Watch News Ticker: Latest smoking athlete: soccer player Dimitar Berbatov (with thanks to Iain Landon). ”¦ The European Junior Championships of American Football 2008 are currently underway in Spain, and Peter Nilsson notes that Denmark is using country-name NOBs and a really weird helmet design. ”¦ “I’ve been reading Mark Bowden’s The Best Game Ever,” writes Rob Andrews. “It includes this picture of Vince Lombardi, circa 1958, when he was a Giants coach. Obvious Yankee influence here — was this standard? I haven’t seen a NY Giants picture with a jacket like that before. Is it a Giants jacket at all? Maybe something Art Ditmar left around the locker room..?” ”¦ Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: Latest addition to our roster of brimless-helmeted catchers is Mike Fitzgerald. ”¦ Jared Wheeler says this is not a satin Dodgers uni. “It was worn by Whitey Ford on an amateur team that traveled in 1946,” he says. “It was dubbed Brooklyn vs. the World.” Additional info here and here. ”¦ Birthday girl Nicole Haase has discovered a site devoted to soccer patches. “When I was a kid, whenever you played in a soccer tournament, you received a patch,” she says. “I have a bunch saved at home, including this one — the guy who’s mentioned on that page ran that tournament with my dad for about 20 years. I’m kinda shocked I never thought about these patches as uni-related ephemera before. My brother had a team warmup jacket with them sewn all over it.” ”¦ Nick Wollen reports that the single-A Boise Hawks — a Cubs farm team — have periodically been wearing really nice 1908 Cubs throwbacks (additional pics here and here). ”¦ This NBA Live 09 screen shot suggests that the Timberwolves are getting new uniforms (with thanks to Josh Skattum). ”¦ Chris Markham, who specialized in custom-painted electric football figurines, sent along pics of his latest project: the ’63 Chargers, complete with the “San Diego All-America City” crest on the helmet. ”¦ Mark Mihalik‘s new footwear-centric site has a good breakdown of Easton’s signature cleats from the All-Star Game. ”¦ “Just wanted you to see for youself that we’re not all a bunch of slobs out here in Los Angeles,” writes Chad Peiken. “I bought a bunch of powder blue stirrups for my co-ed softball team (different cuts and sizes) and here I am with my girlfriend/1st baseman. A lot of my other teammates have taken to wearing them as well, so little by little we’re changing the hearts and minds of the public.” ”¦ Oh. My. God. (courtesy of Paul Ricciardi) ”¦ There are rumors that UW (that’s U. of Washington, not Uni Watch) may be changing uni outfitters (with thanks to John Hansen). ”¦Photo gallery of Braves uni history here (as forwarded by Dan Phillips). ”¦ Jim Parker sent along another shot of those UMich football socks with the “M” logo — sweet. … Anyone know of a supplier who makes patches? If so, please get in touch.
great writeup douggie! i always loved those garish buc unis (not so much when they paired the solid golds or blacks with the pins, but, meh)…
and in regard to your question:
[quote]Why the hell was Bill Madlock watching the end of Game 7 in what appears to have been a laundry room?[/quote]
it wasn’t the end of the game…it was…
wait for it…
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I tossed this up late yesterday, but the White House held its second t-ball game of the year. Something leads me to believe Ridell was giving out wristbands.
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[quote comment=”280452″]I tossed this up late yesterday, but the White House held its second t-ball game of the year. Something leads me to believe Ridell was giving out wristbands.
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Whoops, my bad, I meant Russell.
The O’s white jerseys had some real radial arching that you didn’t see on the gray or orange jerseys. Compare Tippy Martinez in white vs. gray.
That’s because the road jerseys are vertically arched.
– Question for Baltimore fans: I know who Wild Bill Hagy is, but who’s this guy?
If I had to venture an educated guess I would say that is Hank Bauer, manager of the 1966 Championship team….I wasn’t born until 1976, so I’m not 100% positive
Gregg Zaun, Rick Dempsey’s nephew wears a hat under his hockey-style mask:
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I forgot about the Cabbage Patch unis. My daughter wore her SF Giant one at six months to Shea and Robby Thomson, then rookie 2nd baseman for the Giants, signed it/her.
[quote comment=”280456″]Gregg Zaun, Rick Dempsey’s nephew wears a hat under his hockey-style mask:
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I know I am a broken record on this, but when Zaun started his first Major League game, with the Orioles, after coming up through their system he played with a baseball hat, not a helmet while catching as a tribute to his uncle, Rick Dempsey. If I could find a picture I would post the SOB. I am going to write him personally and get him to own up to it.
Hey Paul, I’m not sure if you’ve seen this before, but there is a charity game played here in Boston every year in which they don old uniforms. The website is link and you can see this list of uniforms with . They announced that the managers for this year will be Johnny Pesky and Lennie Merullo and announced yesterday that Lou Merloni will be playing this year wearing the 1901 .
“Niocle Haase has discovered a site devoted to soccer patches. “When I was a kid, whenever you played in a soccer tournament, you received a patch,” she says. ”
Niocle, I remember those patches well. Somewhere in a trunk I must have a hundred or more from all over the country and Canada. I need to dig those out.
re: Retrospecive of Braves unis.
No one seems to have it straight that in ’69, first year of the navy pins, the Braves kept the red visor hats for home games (I’ve sent Paul photos showing the home unis with red visor and the annivesary patch on the left sleeve). Starting in ’70, the navy hat was used for both home and road.
[quote comment=”280457″]I forgot about the Cabbage Patch unis. My daughter wore her SF Giant one at six months to Shea and Robby Thomson, then rookie 2nd baseman for the Giants, signed it/her.[/quote]
Robby’s a class act and honored proudly here…
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Great summary of the 1979 World Series. If you needed one World Series to show people what the 1970s were all about, I think that’s the best representative.
The European Junior Championships of American Football 2008 are currently underway in Spain, and Peter Nilsson notes that Denmark is using country-name NOBs and a really weird helmet design. …
It’s clearly based on the Denmark flag….
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Paul, my name is spelled wrong!!!
Cathy, that’s exactly how I felt. I have tons of those things around. In fact, the outside “pockets” of my mom’s sewing box are stuffed with them. It was the 80s, so there are some pretty spectacular ones out there.
Thanks to KEK, btw. Seeing those Pirate unis again is always great. They were garish, controversial (purists objected…nooooo, really?), objects of jokes (of the all-blacks, for example, one announcer said, “They look like Zorro”)…but they were fun and, honestly, I miss them like crazy. Not to mention the Pirates were winners when they wore them.
I have a photo of Dave Parker and a teammate enjoying a smoke break in the dugout (wearing all-gold). I’ll have to get that to Paul.
the Denmark helmets are probably supposed to resemble the danish flag…unlike the swiss flag where the cross is centered, the danish flag has a white cross that is off centered, probably the reason for the cross not being square on the top of the helmet
The guy wearing the 66 Oriole jersey was a retired vet who played “Charge” and other calls on a small bugle. Hank Bauer? Yeah,sure.
re: Baltimore fans… who’s this guy
Pat “the Buglar” Walker
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For a while those Pirates, led by Parker starting in ’78, were into taping their shoes like football players. I know for sure Parker, Stargell, Taveras and Ott were among those who taped up, at least once in a while.
[quote comment=”280468″]The guy wearing the 66 Oriole jersey was a retired vet who played “Charge” and other calls on a small bugle. Hank Bauer? Yeah,sure.[/quote]
I said it was a guess! I was 3 during that series!!! ;)
That’s definitely a Giants jacket Lombardi is wearing.
Like link, the Giants had their own version of the Yankees interlocking “NY” in the late 1950s. I know I’ve seen a team photo with all the Giants coaches wearing those jackets – let me see if I can dig it up.
Great times for Pittsburgh, weren’t they.
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Might wanna let him know that the year the Chargers wore the that crest their unis were still Royal. They didn’t go to the lighter blue with white pants (I have disovered, and stand corrected) ’til ’64 and ’65.
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A few comments:
1. I received a letter from the Wagner football Department the other day, using the new wordmark and logo. Check it out:
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2. Love the stirrups. Check out what I bought yesterday. There are many more, if anyone wants any!
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Check out the price:
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3. Those new Timberwolves unis are looking alot like the Mavericks templates.
And to complete my updating you all on the Virginia Tech football uniforms for this year…
Home: link
Away: link
*sigh*
Given that the Orioles went through the 1979 WS wearing uniforms with different number fonts and sizes, I wonder if they were getting them from different suppliers?
[quote comment=”280466″]I have a photo of Dave Parker and a teammate enjoying a smoke break in the dugout (wearing all-gold). I’ll have to get that to Paul.[/quote]
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[quote comment=”280469″]re: Baltimore fans… who’s this guy
Pat “the Buglar” Walker
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ahem…i think that should be the BUGLER
the other one…well…NTTAWWT
Nice job with the Pirates stuff! Cool info about Rick Dempsey, too.
I like those 1908 Cubs throwbacks worn by the Boise Hawks. Please tell me they’re cotton/wool and not polyester!
Did everyone vote on that slide show of different Atlanta Braves jerseys? Did you note that the ones that resemble the old Milwaukee Braves classics got overwhelming positive votes compared to all the others?
-Jet
Mr. Markham’s obsessive attention to detail is to be lauded. That can’t be easy. Those little Chargers characters are wonderful.
I wonder if he produces the old Patriot Pat helmet on such a small scale? Based on those Chargers fellas, I wouldn’t be surprised.
[quote comment=”280479″][quote comment=”280469″]re: Baltimore fans… who’s this guy
Pat “the Buglar” Walker
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ahem…i think that should be the BUGLER
the other one…well…NTTAWWT[/quote]
closing tags
HOLY KEK!!!
i almost fell off my chair when i read that you like “jolly roger” better than the parrot!!! ugh!
great pics and write-up though kek!!! we’ll all have to get together as pittsburgh uni-watchers for a mini-uniwatch party sometime soon!!!
It has been recently discussed on “Pirates Q&A” on Pittsburgh Post-Gazette about the incident mentioned in the main article about Steve Nicosia going bonkers on a fan. Evidently, he was trying to take his mask as a souvenir…
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[quote comment=”280473″]Great times for Pittsburgh, weren’t they.
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Yup and the best Major League Uniforms ever.
Bad enough that the Atlanta Journal-Constitution ignored the hundred years of Braves (and Doves, Bees, Red Stockings etc) uniform history before the move to Atlanta in their uniform review, but they managed to get even those details wrong.
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Even presuming that first one’s a typo and that they realize the lower-case “a” didn’t arrive on the caps until the Braves’ seventh season in Atlanta, the tomahawk disappeared link before the team left Milwaukee.
so, paul, did you hate the matt holiday purple pinstriped all star cleats as much as the playerexclusive.com link suggests you would?
Those Boise Hawks 1908 uniforms are amazing; the Cubs should wear those.
The only two changes I would make would be to use the classic Cubs number font, which has been in use since at least the 1940s and always manages to look modern, and to center the numbers a little better on the players’ backs. Derrek Lee and Big Z might look OK with the number pushed down that low, but Mike Fontenot will end up with the bottom half of it stuffed down his pants.
Add the Cardinals’ link to the list of catchers who wear a cap under their helmet/mask.
[quote comment=”280485″][quote comment=”280473″]Great times for Pittsburgh, weren’t they.
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Yup and the best Major League Uniforms ever.[/quote]
Back in the day I thought Willie Stargell was ancient during that last WS run….actual age…39.
Holy LETTER SPACING???
C’mon boys– if you’re going to do a site on branding and uniform design, speak the language!
HOLY KERNING!!
Letter Spacing???
If you want to talk design shop, USE THE RIGHT TERMINOLOGY, BOYS:
Holy KERNING!!
here is an interesting baseball card. i manager wearing a batting helmet…..
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[quote comment=”280486″]Bad enough that the Atlanta Journal-Constitution ignored the hundred years of Braves (and Doves, Bees, Red Stockings etc) uniform history before the move to Atlanta in their uniform review, but they managed to get even those details wrong.
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Even presuming that first one’s a typo and that they realize the lower-case “a” didn’t arrive on the caps until the Braves’ seventh season in Atlanta, the tomahawk disappeared link before the team left Milwaukee.[/quote]
Pretty weak retrospective overall. They overlooked the home pinstripes and road “feather-sleeve” uni from 1976-79 completely.
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bill madlock appears to watching himself in the same broadcast image. a picture of a picture of a picture . . .
[quote comment=”280495″][quote comment=”280486″]Bad enough that the Atlanta Journal-Constitution ignored the hundred years of Braves (and Doves, Bees, Red Stockings etc) uniform history before the move to Atlanta in their uniform review, but they managed to get even those details wrong.
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Even presuming that first one’s a typo and that they realize the lower-case “a” didn’t arrive on the caps until the Braves’ seventh season in Atlanta, the tomahawk disappeared link before the team left Milwaukee.[/quote]
Pretty weak retrospective overall. They overlooked the home pinstripes and road “feather-sleeve” uni from 1976-79 completely.
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The 72 – 75 Road Blues were a great uniform.
[quote comment=”280490″]Add the Cardinals’ link to the list of catchers who wear a cap under their helmet/mask.[/quote]
Let’s please nip this one in the bud. Almost ALL catchers who wear the hockey-style mask also wear a regular cap underneath (because the hockey-style mask has a backplate that serves as a built-in helmet, so no catcher’s helmet is required). There’s nothing unusual about that. The unusual thing about Rick Dempsey is that he wore the soft cap with a regular mask, and was the last catcher to do so.
Does the NL still mandate NOB for road jerseys? I thought that since the elimination of league presidents and combining the umpires that the only rule difference between the two leagues is the DH.
Pretty interesting card in that all the guys on it stuck around for a while, though not all at Catcher. Is Dale wearing a trucker cap?
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[quote comment=”280475″]A few comments:
1. I received a letter from the Wagner football Department the other day, using the new wordmark and logo. Check it out:
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2. Love the stirrups. Check out what I bought yesterday. There are many more, if anyone wants any!
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Check out the price:
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3. Those new Timberwolves unis are looking alot like the Mavericks templates.[/quote]
Where’d you them socks, Mike?
[quote comment=”280478″][quote comment=”280466″]I have a photo of Dave Parker and a teammate enjoying a smoke break in the dugout (wearing all-gold). I’ll have to get that to Paul.[/quote]
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Yup, that be it.
yesterday’s comments said something about the greatest quotes ever, but in relation to Tuesday’s Allstar game…this takes the cake.
“People are feeling bad for Terry Francona for running out of players, but what about Clint Hurdle? His team is almost 20 games under .500 and they just taunt him by surrounding him with All-Stars. Would he have still gotten to coach if he was fired in June?”
[quote comment=”280501″]Where’d you them socks, Mike?[/quote]
mike…matt
pond would be good for you…natural spring
[quote comment=”280504″][quote comment=”280501″]Where’d you them socks, Mike?[/quote]
mike…matt
pond would be good for you…natural spring[/quote]
Ooops, sorry. New enough that don’t have real names straight yet. My apologies.
casey candaele wore a double flap for the expos with that flat ear flap style that i used to hate in little league.
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Great post, Doug.
I’m kinda new here, so forgive me if this has already been covered at some point. Does anyone remember anything about Bill Robinson (in his Pirates days) wearing pantyhose under his uni pants as a defense against leg abrasions from sliding? I have a pretty vivid memory of reading something about it back in the day – along with a great quote from Robinson about how hard it is to find pantyhose that would fit a man of his size – but I can’t find anything out there on the “series of tubes” about it…
[quote comment=”280494″]here is an interesting baseball card. i manager wearing a batting helmet…..
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Was he a player/manager? Could explain the helmet.
[quote comment=”280496″]bill madlock appears to watching himself in the same broadcast image. a picture of a picture of a picture . . .[/quote]
I had to look again after reading this comment. My next reaction was, “He’s RIGHT!” Wow.
Yeah, typos can be annoying. There is no edit button.
However, I’m pretty sure you are wrong as well. If you look at the back of Pat’s hand drawn name plate, it sure looks like “Bugler” not “BUGLER”.
A few comments:
2. Love the stirrups. Check out what I bought yesterday. There are many more, if anyone wants any!
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Check out the price:
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Hey MPowers, where’d you get the navy and yellow ones? I need a pair like that for my softball league.
Also, I can’t believe we’re leaving out Dave Valle of the Mariners as a catcher who wore a brimless helmet.
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After the AL All-Stars took batting practice on Tuesday they link into their link on the link in order to get ready for the link. The NL came out then came out for link, but went back into the clubhouse to change shirts for link.
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Yeah, typos can be annoying. There is no edit button.
However, I’m pretty sure you are wrong as well. If you look at the back of Pat’s hand drawn name plate, it sure looks like “Bugler” not “BUGLER”.[/quote]
yeah, i was typing in all caps for emphasis, not to perfectly replicate the nameplate…sorry for any confusion…and i agree with you on the edit button
Paul, Not trying to jump the gun but…I’m getting excited about the NCAA football season for several reasons…but especially new jerseys…I was just curious when the new uniform article might be coming out? Soon I hope.
Regarding the Lombardi photo, here’s a team photo of the Giants from that time with ALL the coaches wearing those jackets:
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[quote comment=”280515″]Regarding the Lombardi photo, here’s a team photo of the Giants from that time with ALL the coaches wearing those jackets:
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wow! looks like 2 of the coaches have the ‘new york (baseball) giant’ logo, and the rest have the ‘new york yankee’ logo…
great find
and who is #68 and why is his number in red highlight?
Jim Parker sent along another shot of those UMich football socks with the “M” logo – sweet.
Those socks are sweet. I love that photo, too. Anybody know who the opponent is? Mr. Parker, anyone, Bueller? I know it’s not at the Big House. The gold-dark-gold of the opponent uniforms suggest Iowa or Purdue.
pond would be good for you…natural spring
It’s a blend of Kentucky bluegrass and sensimilla.
“When you hear the term “Stargell Stars,” you tend to think about the pillbox caps. But they were apparently awarded on batting helmets too. I don’t if they were a different composition (cloth on caps, stickers on helmets) because it’s hard to tell.”
When the Stargell Stars were handed out the players were pretty much free to do whatever they wanted with them, put them anywhere on their hats or helmets. I’m pretty sure they were all just cloth stars and they were either glued on or stitched onto the hats, and probably glued onto the helmets.
I think I have the answer to the font discrepancy on the Pirates’ 1979 uniforms.
When the team introduced the 3 versions in 1977 — white with chalk stripes, black, and gold — the white and black versions came from a manufacturer in Japan, while the gold ones were domestic, probably from Rawlings. The lettering and numbers on the golds matched the prior white/gray with back and old gold trim that had been in vogue from 1970-76. If you look at the new striped whites and the blacks, you’ll see that the graphics match.
The Pirates added names to the jerseys before the 1979 season.
In my opinion, the striped white blouses were almost as bad as today’s red sleeveless alternate tops. They only looked decent with the matching pants… and I think I saw every possible combination of unis back in the day. The white pants actually weren’t too bad with the colored tops.
and who is #68 and why is his number in red highlight?
Al Barry. It’s his Web site, plugging his book. Fun With PhotoShop.
[quote comment=”280517″]Jim Parker sent along another shot of those UMich football socks with the “M” logo – sweet.
Those socks are sweet. I love that photo, too. Anybody know who the opponent is? Mr. Parker, anyone, Bueller? I know it’s not at the Big House. The gold-dark-gold of the opponent uniforms suggest Iowa or Purdue.
pond would be good for you…natural spring
It’s a blend of Kentucky bluegrass and sensimilla.[/quote]
Minnesota. That’s the old stadium (was there many times), and those are the Gophers early to mid-50 unis.
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Whoever hand-tinted this photo got it wrong. All stripes were gold.
Sorry, apparently it’s not a book-promoting Web page, just a Web page.
Check out this sweet Rheingold ad!
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Thanks, Ricko. I thought it was possibly the on-campus stadium at Minnesota — I love that brick stairway effect on the edge of the grandstand — but the helmets threw me. Do you know when they switched to the white helmets of the Sandy Stephens era?
Regarding the manager in the batting helmet:
John Wathan retired from the Royals after the ’85 World Series, and took over as manager of the Omaha AAA club in ’86. In August of ’87, he was named manager of the Royals, replacing Billy Gardner, who had replaced Dick Howser during spring training. (Howser was diagnosed with a brain tumor immediately after the All-Star game in ’86, and tried to come back in the spring after surgery and chemotherapy. He was unable to handle the strain, and passed away in June.) IIRC, the players didn’t like Gardner’s style, so the front office brought in Wathan, who was popular with his teammates and Royals’ fans. (He had a couple of good years, but couldn’t keep up with the McGwire/Canseco A’s, and was dumped by an impatient front office after a poor start in ’91.)
Anyway, that’s an ’88 card of Wathan, and I’m willing to bet Topps just dug into their files for the picture. I doubt they would have sent a photographer around to take his picture in September of ’87.
[quote comment=”280511″]A few comments:
2. Love the stirrups. Check out what I bought yesterday. There are many more, if anyone wants any!
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Check out the price:
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Hey MPowers, where’d you get the navy and yellow ones? I need a pair like that for my softball league.
Also, I can’t believe we’re leaving out Dave Valle of the Mariners as a catcher who wore a brimless helmet.
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They’re really in between a Navy and a Royal, however I was gonna wear them tonight with a Friday Brewers cap.
There’s a Mom & Pop sporting goods store around my way that has a bin of them. I’d be glad to get you a pair and send them to you. Get my e-mail from Paul!
[quote comment=”280523″]Thanks, Ricko. I thought it was possibly the on-campus stadium at Minnesota — I love that brick stairway effect on the edge of the grandstand — but the helmets threw me. Do you know when they switched to the white helmets of the Sandy Stephens era?[/quote]
For sure ’57, but I think ’56.
(btw) That’s the Phi Epsilon fraternity house you see in bkdg (went to many a party there) and, rising behind it, NW end of Williams Arena.
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Thanks to everyone on the kind words on the entry, I had fun doing it. I’m heading out today with the wife on an overnight trip so I thought I’d respond to as many comments as I could right here.
I’m kind of a newbie/rookie when it comes to the different nameplates, arching, spacing, etc. But going back and looking at shots from Games 3,4 and 5 that O’s gray is clearly VAL. I didn’t catch that at first.
See above! Mea culpa on that. Sorry, like I said, not up on all the terminology… but I’m learning!
Could be, and I guess the same could be said about the Pirates when you look at the diferences between the yellow jerseys and the black and white ones.
Thanks for passing along, I had never heard of that guy. Good stuff.
Never noticed that, but will take a closer look now.
Cool! I normally only read the Q&As regarding Pitt football and basketball so I would have missed this. I figured that’s what was going on because Teke was holding his hat tight because people were trying to grab it. Crazy.
That’s EXACTLY what was going on. A few seconds later, Mad Dog and everyone else in the room noticed what was going on and they got pissed and chased the camera away.
Sounds vaguely familiar but not 100% sure it was Robinson. He recently passed away so I’ll check to see if there is any archived video on any of the local station’s websites.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. This series was quintessentially the 70s. The hair, moustaches, uniforms. Even though it was the last series of the decade, it pretty much summed what that decade was about!
[quote comment=\”280522\”]Sorry, apparently it\’s not a book-promoting Web page, just a Web page.
Check out this sweet Rheingold ad!
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I like next ad link
[quote comment=”280525″][quote comment=”280511″]A few comments:
2. Love the stirrups. Check out what I bought yesterday. There are many more, if anyone wants any!
link
Check out the price:
link
Hey MPowers, where’d you get the navy and yellow ones? I need a pair like that for my softball league.
Also, I can’t believe we’re leaving out Dave Valle of the Mariners as a catcher who wore a brimless helmet.
link
They’re really in between a Navy and a Royal, however I was gonna wear them tonight with a Friday Brewers cap.
There’s a Mom & Pop sporting goods store around my way that has a bin of them. I’d be glad to get you a pair and send them to you. Get my e-mail from Paul![/quote]
Me, too. For sure would like the red-white.
[quote comment=”280518″]”When you hear the term “Stargell Stars,” you tend to think about the pillbox caps. But they were apparently awarded on batting helmets too. I don’t if they were a different composition (cloth on caps, stickers on helmets) because it’s hard to tell.”
When the Stargell Stars were handed out the players were pretty much free to do whatever they wanted with them, put them anywhere on their hats or helmets. I’m pretty sure they were all just cloth stars and they were either glued on or stitched onto the hats, and probably glued onto the helmets.[/quote]
Initially they were just gold star stickers probably bought at a five and dime store.
After they caught on with the fans the Pirates had them specially made, probably so they could make a few bucks selling them. They were embroidered with an adheisve background. Similar to the Cubs logo stuck on their helmet. The stars were gold with a black S in the center. You used to be able to by the stars at Three Rivers.
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Glen Taylor, the owner of the Timberwolves, also suggested several months ago that new uniforms are in the works.
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The NBA Live screenshot looks like holy piping, Batman!, but they can only get better from their current extreme/90s font…
This is from ESPN Page 2 yesterday. A comment on when the game ended or the uniform stylings of most of the players involved? You decide…
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link…
Ah, there it is. I’ve seen that SI cover before.
I like next ad even better.
Well, now I do, too, Jen. I recall seeing that one as well.
It must stayed in the public-library copy I saw it in because it’s a two-page ad. When Sports Illustrated, in the mid- to late-’60s would have full-page color photos on page 23 and 24, for example, those pages would always mysteriously go missing from the library copies …
Not uni-related, but if you want to increase picture quality, use the print screen key (usually found above the insert and delete keys) on your keyboard and then paste it into paint. It gives you a full screen shot of whatever was link at that moment.
kids today…
quick, non-uni related factoid from lunch…
someone in my office, for unknown reasons, blurts out: “who was the best jewish baseball player of all time?”
without hesitation, i reply “
paul lukashank greenberg”and another guy yells “sandy koufax”
third guy, only half tongue in cheek, goes, “rod carew”
now…there is a 25 year old gentleman, who spends 99% of his day on our dole playing fantasy baseball on the computer system…blurts out…
“who are those guys?” (and he WASN’T kidding)
kids today
…“who are those guys?” (and he WASN’T kidding)
kids today…
As a 25 year old gentleman, I want to apologize for his ignorance in not knowing anything about the past.
Not Art Shamsky?
And, as I’ve mentioned here before, according to SI, Don Mattingly—while with the Yankees— thought Babe Ruth was a cartoon, not a real person.
Kids today.
On the seventh bullet point of the article, the picture linked with the phrase “Shorter names,” what’s up with the back of Kison’s hat? I know it’s WAY too early for an MLB logo to be showing up. Is it bad stiching? A Pirate logo? A Star? Bad image?
[quote comment=”280529″][quote comment=”280525″][quote comment=”280511″]A few comments:
2. Love the stirrups. Check out what I bought yesterday. There are many more, if anyone wants any!
link
Check out the price:
link
Hey MPowers, where’d you get the navy and yellow ones? I need a pair like that for my softball league.
Also, I can’t believe we’re leaving out Dave Valle of the Mariners as a catcher who wore a brimless helmet.
link
They’re really in between a Navy and a Royal, however I was gonna wear them tonight with a Friday Brewers cap.
There’s a Mom & Pop sporting goods store around my way that has a bin of them. I’d be glad to get you a pair and send them to you. Get my e-mail from Paul![/quote]
Me, too. For sure would like the red-white.[/quote]
Ditto
[quote comment=”280490″]Add the Cardinals’ link to the list of catchers who wear a cap under their helmet/mask.[/quote]
All of the Molina Brothers wear caps under their cather’s helmets…
[quote comment=”280536″]kids today…
quick, non-uni related factoid from lunch…
someone in my office, for unknown reasons, blurts out: “who was the best jewish baseball player of all time?”
without hesitation, i reply “
paul lukashank greenberg”and another guy yells “sandy koufax”
third guy, only half tongue in cheek, goes, “rod carew”
now…there is a 25 year old gentleman, who spends 99% of his day on our dole playing fantasy baseball on the computer system…blurts out…
“who are those guys?” (and he WASN’T kidding)
kids today[/quote]
Per Adam Sandler (in “The Hannukah Song”):
“Hall of Famer Rod Carew…..he converted….(G7 chord)”
[quote comment=”280486″]Bad enough that the Atlanta Journal-Constitution ignored the hundred years of Braves (and Doves, Bees, Red Stockings etc) uniform history before the move to Atlanta in their uniform review, but they managed to get even those details wrong.
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Even presuming that first one’s a typo and that they realize the lower-case “a” didn’t arrive on the caps until the Braves’ seventh season in Atlanta, the tomahawk disappeared link before the team left Milwaukee.[/quote]
and they also said the braves wear all-navy caps with their home red alts…as everyone with eyes knows, they wear a navy lid with a red brim, and a slightly different logo (with tomahawk and more outlining). good pics in the gallery, bad info.
[quote comment=”280543″][quote comment=”280536″]kids today…
quick, non-uni related factoid from lunch…
someone in my office, for unknown reasons, blurts out: “who was the best jewish baseball player of all time?”
without hesitation, i reply “
paul lukashank greenberg”and another guy yells “sandy koufax”
third guy, only half tongue in cheek, goes, “rod carew”
now…there is a 25 year old gentleman, who spends 99% of his day on our dole playing fantasy baseball on the computer system…blurts out…
“who are those guys?” (and he WASN’T kidding)
kids today[/quote]
Per Adam Sandler (in “The Hannukah Song”):
“Hall of Famer Rod Carew…..he converted….(G7 chord)”[/quote]
Geez, Phil, that poor kid probably also has never heard of Screaming Yellow Zonkers, either (that is NOT, btw, a reference to the Pirates’s all-gold).
[quote comment=”280542″][quote comment=”280490″]“Add the Cardinals’ link to the list of catchers who wear a cap under their helmet/mask.”[/quote]
“All of the Molina Brothers wear caps under their cather’s helmets…”[/quote]
And thanks for playing America’s Favorite Game (at least in the eyes of Steve Berthiume), NAME THAT MOLINA!
[quote comment=”280545″]Geez, Phil, that poor kid probably also has never heard of Screaming Yellow Zonkers, either (that is NOT, btw, a reference to the Pirates’s all-gold).[/quote]
interestingly, he did know how to mate them
[quote comment=”280546″][quote comment=”280542″][quote comment=”280490″]“Add the Cardinals’ link to the list of catchers who wear a cap under their helmet/mask.”[/quote]
“All of the Molina Brothers wear caps under their cather’s helmets…”[/quote]
And thanks for playing America’s Favorite Game (at least in the eyes of Steve Berthiume), NAME THAT MOLINA![/quote]
Counting the guy who played Doc Oc?
I have heard Paul talk about wearing “proper” sanitaries under stirrups. Is there anyone (Paul) that can explain to me what a “proper” sanitary is. Is there a difference between the regular white baseball sock and a sanitary?
Everyone here seems to hate long pants.
So, I was thinking about some of the first instances of that trend. George Hendrick, of course, although his pants never touched shoes. And the entire Clemson baseball team (that’s the first time I remember thinking it was going to around for a while). I also think of Jose Lind with Royals and Pirates. Jose Offerman with Dodgers. Pirates had a couple others, but recll now who. Anyone else spring to mind among Uni-Watchers?
[quote comment=”280549″]I have heard Paul talk about wearing “proper” sanitaries under stirrups. Is there anyone (Paul) that can explain to me what a “proper” sanitary is. Is there a difference between the regular white baseball sock and a sanitary?[/quote]
Proper sanitary (to me, anyway) is a thin white cotton sock with no elastic at the top. That’s why you see photos of players with sanis rolled over top of stirrups socks, which DID have elastic. Otherwise, sanis would slide down like crazy inside stirrups.
In later years, elastic was added…but if you wanna go WAY back, that’s what they were.
[quote comment=”280551″][quote comment=”280549″]I have heard Paul talk about wearing “proper” sanitaries under stirrups. Is there anyone (Paul) that can explain to me what a “proper” sanitary is. Is there a difference between the regular white baseball sock and a sanitary?[/quote]
Proper sanitary (to me, anyway) is a thin white cotton sock with no elastic at the top. That’s why you see photos of players with sanis rolled over top of stirrups socks, which DID have elastic. Otherwise, sanis would slide down like crazy inside stirrups.
In later years, elastic was added…but if you wanna go WAY back, that’s what they were.[/quote]
To add…sanis have no ribbing. Is like fabric of white cotton teeshirt.
[quote comment=”280550″]Everyone here seems to hate long pants.
So, I was thinking about some of the first instances of that trend. George Hendrick, of course, although his pants never touched shoes. And the entire Clemson baseball team (that’s the first time I remember thinking it was going to around for a while). I also think of Jose Lind with Royals and Pirates. Jose Offerman with Dodgers. Pirates had a couple others, but recll now who. Anyone else spring to mind among Uni-Watchers?[/quote]
Here’s my nominee for earliest long pants: link
Feel free to blow me out of the water wit somehthing much earlier.
[quote]Everyone here seems to hate long pants.[/quote]
speak for yourself
…what i don’t like, and quite frankly, find offensive, is the latest trend of PAJAMA pants, with the pant leg coming over the top of the shoe (and in certain, now banned instances) being affixed UNDERNEATH the cleat [see: bonds, barry] with a piece of elastic…or…as was recently posted…someone actually ALTERED their pant leg to add material so as to permit what i will call a ‘non binding-bell bottom’…
bell bottoms, despite mr. clapton’s protestations to the contrary, never looked good…not then, and certainly not now…and NEVER in a baseball uni
as far as ‘long pants’…while i prefer the tailored cut and a stirrup (or even solid sock), i can live with them so long as they do not encroach over the shoe top…
Regarding the Denmark Helmets, I know others have said it already, it’s based on the Flag.
My Question: Why are the Austria kids weraing Viking helmets? With different colored facemasks? And what’s with the white helmet in the back?
[quote comment=”280552″][quote comment=”280551″][quote comment=”280549″]I have heard Paul talk about wearing “proper” sanitaries under stirrups. Is there anyone (Paul) that can explain to me what a “proper” sanitary is. Is there a difference between the regular white baseball sock and a sanitary?[/quote]
Proper sanitary (to me, anyway) is a thin white cotton sock with no elastic at the top. That’s why you see photos of players with sanis rolled over top of stirrups socks, which DID have elastic. Otherwise, sanis would slide down like crazy inside stirrups.
In later years, elastic was added…but if you wanna go WAY back, that’s what they were.[/quote]
To add…sanis have no ribbing. Is like fabric of white cotton teeshirt.[/quote]
Awesome, thanks Ricko. I don’t know if I can deal with the no elastic thing. Socks falling down is a real pet peeve of mine. I spend half of my time in the outfield pulling my socks up after running for a ball.
But, I can definitely find some without ribbing. I don’t really like the look of the thick ribbing anyway.
[quote comment=”280554″][quote]Everyone here seems to hate long pants.[/quote]
speak for yourself
…what i don’t like, and quite frankly, find offensive, is the latest trend of PAJAMA pants, with the pant leg coming over the top of the shoe (and in certain, now banned instances) being affixed UNDERNEATH the cleat [see: bonds, barry] with a piece of elastic…or…as was recently posted…someone actually ALTERED their pant leg to add material so as to permit what i will call a ‘non binding-bell bottom’…
bell bottoms, despite mr. clapton’s protestations to the contrary, never looked good…not then, and certainly not now…and NEVER in a baseball uni
as far as ‘long pants’…while i prefer the tailored cut and a stirrup (or even solid sock), i can live with them so long as they do not encroach over the shoe top…[/quote]
Yeah, I kinda overspoke. Was trying to kickstart a conversation. Shoulda just said they “seem to be unpopular here,” I suppse.
What I was really after was others’ recollections of the first players who wore pants long enough to pretty much elimate stirrups altogether.
This may have been posted before but…
lots cards from the Senior League here.
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Here is another example of a Football Giants’ warmup jacket with a Baseball-Giants/Mets-style link circa. 1962.
[quote comment=”280559″]Here is another example of a Football Giants’ warmup jacket with a Baseball-Giants/Mets-style link circa. 1962.[/quote]
That’s interesting – I’ve seen them use the Yankees’ logo before, but not the Mets’.
[quote comment=”280559″]Here is another example of a Football Giants’ warmup jacket with a Baseball-Giants/Mets-style link circa. 1962.[/quote]
And the guy in jacket is Charlie Conerly, the Giants first modern quarterback (they went to t-formation in 1948). Anyone here remember that he also was, for years and years, the “Marlboro Man” in all of that cigarette’s print and outdoor advertising?
[quote comment=”280560″][quote comment=”280559″]Here is another example of a Football Giants’ warmup jacket with a Baseball-Giants/Mets-style link circa. 1962.[/quote]
That’s interesting – I’ve seen them use the Yankees’ logo before, but not the Mets’.[/quote]
Here’s link When did the Giants start using that version of the logo?
[quote comment=”280559″]Here is another example of a Football Giants’ warmup jacket with a Baseball-Giants/Mets-style link circa. 1962.[/quote]
According to this site (and I don’t know how reliable it is) the Giants started wearing the “ny” on their helmet in 1961, so that photo must be from before then…
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I’m sure it’s been discussed here, but can someone give a brief history of that “NY”?
Because Mets adopted their hat logo from the Giants, and because the Knicks and football Giants have for as long as I can remember “borrowed” from the different versions, I’ve assumed it probably harked back to some usage in NY even before sports teams…like it was on street signs or cop’s badges or something.
[quote comment=”280541″][quote comment=”280529″][quote comment=”280525″][quote comment=”280511″]A few comments:
2. Love the stirrups. Check out what I bought yesterday. There are many more, if anyone wants any!
link
Check out the price:
link
Hey MPowers, where’d you get the navy and yellow ones? I need a pair like that for my softball league.
Also, I can’t believe we’re leaving out Dave Valle of the Mariners as a catcher who wore a brimless helmet.
link
They’re really in between a Navy and a Royal, however I was gonna wear them tonight with a Friday Brewers cap.
There’s a Mom & Pop sporting goods store around my way that has a bin of them. I’d be glad to get you a pair and send them to you. Get my e-mail from Paul![/quote]
Me, too. For sure would like the red-white.[/quote]
Ditto[/quote]
At the risk of turning this into a buying-selling forum, I will go back up to the shop tonight and pick up stirrups for whoever wants em.
Just e-mail me with a color request:
Maroon/White
Royal/Yellow
Green/White
And your contact information.
I would post my e-mail, but I’m not that brave!
Paul has it, as do some of the regulars:
[quote comment=”280553″][quote comment=”280550″]Everyone here seems to hate long pants.
So, I was thinking about some of the first instances of that trend. George Hendrick, of course, although his pants never touched shoes. And the entire Clemson baseball team (that’s the first time I remember thinking it was going to around for a while). I also think of Jose Lind with Royals and Pirates. Jose Offerman with Dodgers. Pirates had a couple others, but recll now who. Anyone else spring to mind among Uni-Watchers?[/quote]
Here’s my nominee for earliest long pants: link
Feel free to blow me out of the water wit somehthing much earlier.[/quote]
I’m with Ricko. The earliest I remember is George Hendrick in the mid 80s…
link
[quote comment=”280565″][quote comment=”280541″][quote comment=”280529″][quote comment=”280525″][quote comment=”280511″]A few comments:
2. Love the stirrups. Check out what I bought yesterday. There are many more, if anyone wants any!
link
Check out the price:
link
Hey MPowers, where’d you get the navy and yellow ones? I need a pair like that for my softball league.
Also, I can’t believe we’re leaving out Dave Valle of the Mariners as a catcher who wore a brimless helmet.
link
They’re really in between a Navy and a Royal, however I was gonna wear them tonight with a Friday Brewers cap.
There’s a Mom & Pop sporting goods store around my way that has a bin of them. I’d be glad to get you a pair and send them to you. Get my e-mail from Paul![/quote]
Me, too. For sure would like the red-white.[/quote]
Ditto[/quote]
At the risk of turning this into a buying-selling forum, I will go back up to the shop tonight and pick up stirrups for whoever wants em.
Just e-mail me with a color request:
Maroon/White
Royal/Yellow
Green/White
And your contact information.
I would post my e-mail, but I’m not that brave!
Paul has it, as do some of the regulars:[/quote]
To make it fair, because supplies are limited, it will be first mail/first serve!
Hey guys, sorry if this has been covered already, but I’ve been to four concerts in the last 5 days, so I haven’t had much time to go online. I went to the All Star Fanfest monday, and it was a great experience. I’d recommend it to any baseball fan.
A few Uni-Notes:
-They had a huge display with every Minor League cap on display, and for sale of course. Some of those designs are pretty cool.
-Sat in on the auction for a bit and checked out all the lots. Some very nice jerseys in there.
-The MLB Clubhouse Shop had all the All Star BP jerseys, but for 60 dollars more than the MLB.COM shop. What a jip.
[quote comment=”280565″][quote comment=”280541″][quote comment=”280529″][quote comment=”280525″][quote comment=”280511″]A few comments:
2. Love the stirrups. Check out what I bought yesterday. There are many more, if anyone wants any!
link
Check out the price:
link
Hey MPowers, where’d you get the navy and yellow ones? I need a pair like that for my softball league.
Also, I can’t believe we’re leaving out Dave Valle of the Mariners as a catcher who wore a brimless helmet.
link
They’re really in between a Navy and a Royal, however I was gonna wear them tonight with a Friday Brewers cap.
There’s a Mom & Pop sporting goods store around my way that has a bin of them. I’d be glad to get you a pair and send them to you. Get my e-mail from Paul![/quote]
Me, too. For sure would like the red-white.[/quote]
Ditto[/quote]
At the risk of turning this into a buying-selling forum, I will go back up to the shop tonight and pick up stirrups for whoever wants em.
Just e-mail me with a color request:
Maroon/White
Royal/Yellow
Green/White
And your contact information.
I would post my e-mail, but I’m not that brave!
Paul has it, as do some of the regulars:[/quote]
Sorry, Matt, I thought those were scarlet-white. I already those mentioned, so I’ll pass. But thanks for the offer.
[quote comment=”280538″]Not Art Shamsky?[/quote]
Nor Ron Blomberg?!?!
-Jet
Christopher:
Thanks for your help on the “chart” matter yesterday. Great screenshot, great theory.
My brother and I are making a trip up to yankee stadium for the first time ever. I was wondering if anyone else here has been there, if so what are some things that we should know?
[quote comment=”280556″][quote comment=”280552″][quote comment=”280551″][quote comment=”280549″]I have heard Paul talk about wearing “proper” sanitaries under stirrups. Is there anyone (Paul) that can explain to me what a “proper” sanitary is. Is there a difference between the regular white baseball sock and a sanitary?[/quote]
Proper sanitary (to me, anyway) is a thin white cotton sock with no elastic at the top. That’s why you see photos of players with sanis rolled over top of stirrups socks, which DID have elastic. Otherwise, sanis would slide down like crazy inside stirrups.
In later years, elastic was added…but if you wanna go WAY back, that’s what they were.[/quote]
To add…sanis have no ribbing. Is like fabric of white cotton teeshirt.[/quote]
Awesome, thanks Ricko. I don’t know if I can deal with the no elastic thing. Socks falling down is a real pet peeve of mine. I spend half of my time in the outfield pulling my socks up after running for a ball.
But, I can definitely find some without ribbing. I don’t really like the look of the thick ribbing anyway.[/quote]
Regular athletic tape would do the trick. If it’s a thick roll, tear in down to about a half inch. I also have used an elastic ban that attaches with Velcro that they came out with, but I liked the tape better, more snug fit. Only problem is, it can leave marks and streches the socks when removed. Not so bad with the sanis, but on stirrups, it was a little messy.
Hey Paul, quick thing on the ESPN article. I’m positive that MLB went back to the player’s signature and number cap patches for the 2002 All Star Game. I’ll try and find a picture.
Here’s a pic.
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[quote comment=”280572″]My brother and I are making a trip up to yankee stadium for the first time ever. I was wondering if anyone else here has been there, if so what are some things that we should know?[/quote]
Yeah, get on the 7 train and go Shea instead.
My brother and I are making a trip up to yankee stadium for the first time ever. I was wondering if anyone else here has been there, if so what are some things that we should know?
That the stadium is in New York City.
[quote comment=”280519″]I think I have the answer to the font discrepancy on the Pirates’ 1979 uniforms.
When the team introduced the 3 versions in 1977 — white with chalk stripes, black, and gold — the white and black versions came from a manufacturer in Japan, while the gold ones were domestic, probably from Rawlings. The lettering and numbers on the golds matched the prior white/gray with back and old gold trim that had been in vogue from 1970-76. If you look at the new striped whites and the blacks, you’ll see that the graphics match.[/quote]
I believe the Japanese company you referred to was Descente. As for the yellow jerseys (a least the one posted at the top of this page), I would say almost definitely Wilson. Wilson V-necks were, for the lack of a better term, very tight while Rawlings tended to bow out a little. Same goes for the Wathan card, it was correctly identified as a shot from 1985 (last year as active player) or earlier, just from the neckline.
[quote comment=”280577″]My brother and I are making a trip up to yankee stadium for the first time ever. I was wondering if anyone else here has been there, if so what are some things that we should know?
That the stadium is in New York City.[/quote]
seeing that it is yankee stadium im sure lots of people have been there. there was what, 50,000 there the other night alone.
[quote comment=”280573″][quote comment=”280556″][quote comment=”280552″][quote comment=”280551″][quote comment=”280549″]I have heard Paul talk about wearing “proper” sanitaries under stirrups. Is there anyone (Paul) that can explain to me what a “proper” sanitary is. Is there a difference between the regular white baseball sock and a sanitary?[/quote]
Proper sanitary (to me, anyway) is a thin white cotton sock with no elastic at the top. That’s why you see photos of players with sanis rolled over top of stirrups socks, which DID have elastic. Otherwise, sanis would slide down like crazy inside stirrups.
In later years, elastic was added…but if you wanna go WAY back, that’s what they were.[/quote]
To add…sanis have no ribbing. Is like fabric of white cotton teeshirt.[/quote]
Awesome, thanks Ricko. I don’t know if I can deal with the no elastic thing. Socks falling down is a real pet peeve of mine. I spend half of my time in the outfield pulling my socks up after running for a ball.
But, I can definitely find some without ribbing. I don’t really like the look of the thick ribbing anyway.[/quote]
Regular athletic tape would do the trick. If it’s a thick roll, tear in down to about a half inch. I also have used an elastic ban that attaches with Velcro that they came out with, but I liked the tape better, more snug fit. Only problem is, it can leave marks and streches the socks when removed. Not so bad with the sanis, but on stirrups, it was a little messy.[/quote]
Sounds like you’ve gone through a lot of training tape, too. I know the feeling. I tape the sani and the stirrup separately. Thankfully the stirrups pretty much come back to shape in the wash…but the tape can leave some sticky stuff that’s hard to get out.
I use the full 1 1/2″ width, though. Narrow can roll up and be a bitch to get off.
Oh, btw, on somewhat related matters (because I was doing all this last weekend)…
You can get salt (persperation) stains out your hats with white vinegar on a rag. Use it liberally. If the smell gets to you (it goes away after awhile), use the “Salt Stain Remover” you can buy for use on shoes. It’s basically just white vinegar with the odiforous element chemically removed. But the white vinegar is, what, 79 cents for big ol’ bottle?
Also, for stained knees or whatever–from dirt, clay, grass, et al–find a bar of Fels Naptha soap at the grocery. Get garment wet, rub the stubborn spots with the soap bar til there’s almost a paste. Then wash with regular detergent. Works better than anything you’ll find. Actually, you’ll be kinda amazed how good it works.
And, for shining cleats, Doc Marten makes a clear polish (should I tell our Flounder to listen up here?) that’s incredible. Use a bit of water and a rag to wipe down your shoes (get the chunks off, of pete’s sake). Let them dry, then use the Doc Marten stuff. Just rub it on, no buffing. Unbelievable how the shoes come back. Expensive, but a little goes a long, long way…and it’s quick.
“This has been “Helpful Household Hints from the Old Guy’…”
[quote comment=”280572″]My brother and I are making a trip up to yankee stadium for the first time ever. I was wondering if anyone else here has been there, if so what are some things that we should know?[/quote]
it’s been said it was ‘the house that ruth built’
re: Keeping Sanitaries and Stirrups Up
I was taught by my dad how to blouse baseball pants. I was looking around online for an example video, but I can’t find one anywhere. You know, when you turn the pants inside out and all that stuff. Never once had my socks slide down on me.
[quote comment=”280582″]re: Keeping Sanitaries and Stirrups Up
I was taught by my dad how to blouse baseball pants. I was looking around online for an example video, but I can’t find one anywhere. You know, when you turn the pants inside out and all that stuff. Never once had my socks slide down on me.[/quote]
Absolutely. All depends on how good the elastic in the pants is. If someone inadventely bleaches them, though, the elastic can break down.
I forgot I had a pair of white compression shorts in a load of wash one time. I’m 6’2″ and, seriously, they now come down almost to my knees. Could be football pants.
Also, there are what the Army calls “blousing rubbers”. Great for holding up pants when elastic is too loose or non-exisitant.
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Utah unveiled its Under Armour uniforms. Unsurprising Under Armour Related News: They’re considering a black alternate. Ugh.
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[quote comment=”280561″][quote comment=”280559″]Here is another example of a Football Giants’ warmup jacket with a Baseball-Giants/Mets-style link circa. 1962.[/quote]
And the guy in jacket is Charlie Conerly, the Giants first modern quarterback (they went to t-formation in 1948). Anyone here remember that he also was, for years and years, the “Marlboro Man” in all of that cigarette’s print and outdoor advertising?[/quote
Why is Conerly wearing Frank Gifford’s helmet?
[quote comment=”280585″][quote comment=”280561″][quote comment=”280559″]Here is another example of a Football Giants’ warmup jacket with a Baseball-Giants/Mets-style link circa. 1962.[/quote]
And the guy in jacket is Charlie Conerly, the Giants first modern quarterback (they went to t-formation in 1948). Anyone here remember that he also was, for years and years, the “Marlboro Man” in all of that cigarette’s print and outdoor advertising?[/quote
Why is Conerly wearing Frank Gifford’s helmet?[/quote]
How did I wind up in italics?
[quote]How did I wind up in italics?[/quote]
you forgot to close off the “quote” tag
[quote comment=”280586″][quote comment=”280585″][quote comment=”280561″][quote comment=”280559″]Here is another example of a Football Giants’ warmup jacket with a Baseball-Giants/Mets-style link circa. 1962.[/quote]
And the guy in jacket is Charlie Conerly, the Giants first modern quarterback (they went to t-formation in 1948). Anyone here remember that he also was, for years and years, the “Marlboro Man” in all of that cigarette’s print and outdoor advertising?[/quote
Why is Conerly wearing Frank Gifford’s helmet?[/quote]
How did I wind up in italics?[/quote]
Oops, old eyes, I guess. Thought logo was on helmetless Conerly’s right sleeve. Now see is on Gifford’s left chest. Sorry.
here is a pic of link wearing the ‘baseball’ giant NY
[quote comment=”280566″][quote comment=”280553″][quote comment=”280550″]Everyone here seems to hate long pants.
So, I was thinking about some of the first instances of that trend. George Hendrick, of course, although his pants never touched shoes. And the entire Clemson baseball team (that’s the first time I remember thinking it was going to around for a while). I also think of Jose Lind with Royals and Pirates. Jose Offerman with Dodgers. Pirates had a couple others, but recll now who. Anyone else spring to mind among Uni-Watchers?[/quote]
Here’s my nominee for earliest long pants: link
Feel free to blow me out of the water wit somehthing much earlier.[/quote]
I’m with Ricko. The earliest I remember is George Hendrick in the mid 80s…
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I have the same recollection regarding George Hendrick. A few years later, I think Scott Erickson was the first player to wear solid socks without stirrups.
Looks like Utah and Under Armour went with a serifed version of Arial.
[quote comment=”280587″][quote]How did I wind up in italics?[/quote]
you forgot to close off the “quote” tag[/quote]
That’s what happens when I don’t post often enough.
Anyway Utah’s red jersey looks good to me. If UW switches to UA I wouldn’t mind a similar look though without purple pants.
[quote comment=”280555″]Regarding the Denmark Helmets, I know others have said it already, it’s based on the Flag.
My Question: Why are the Austria kids weraing Viking helmets? With different colored facemasks? And what’s with the white helmet in the back?[/quote]
Regarding Denmarks helmets: it’s obviously from the Flag, but it’s still an odd look for a football helmet.
Abolut the different helmets on the Austrian players: some European national teams have the players wear the same helmets as when they’re playing for their local team. In Austria there’s the Raiffeisen Vikings (link), hence the Viking helmets on some of the players on the national team. Spain is another example (link).
In the link book the author relates a story about Raymond Berry that states Berry hated the stiff and restricting feel of the canvas practice pants the Colts used in his day so he contacted the manufacturer of the Colts game pants which were satin in front combines with a stretchy material in the back. The company supplied him with his own pairs for practice. He also washed his own gear every day after practice to keep it from being mixed up with the rest of the teams’ stuff.
Wow that was a lot of typing for a semi-uni related story.
[quote comment=”280572″]My brother and I are making a trip up to yankee stadium for the first time ever. I was wondering if anyone else here has been there, if so what are some things that we should know?[/quote]
Watch out for the rats.
[quote comment=”280540″]On the seventh bullet point of the article, the picture linked with the phrase “Shorter names,” what’s up with the back of Kison’s hat? I know it’s WAY too early for an MLB logo to be showing up. Is it bad stiching? A Pirate logo? A Star? Bad image?[/quote]
As I remember them, the stripes on the pillbox caps rarely were even at the seam on the back. Maybe it’s a star to hide the bad stitching?
The LA Kings announced their new coach today. The jersey he held up at the press conference seemed a little odd to me. No pics (sorry) but you can find the article @ nhl.com. The number on the jersey is 08, but it seems they made the jersey in such a rush that the 0 and 8 are different sizes!! If you look up the photo, you will see that the 0 is much larger than the 8. I hope they don’t use this template next season…
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there’s the url for the photo…
David Ortiz started his rehab assignment in AAA Pawtucket. It’s interesting to see him wearing the link
[quote comment=”280564″]I’m sure it’s been discussed here, but can someone give a brief history of that “NY”?
Because Mets adopted their hat logo from the Giants, and because the Knicks and football Giants have for as long as I can remember “borrowed” from the different versions, I’ve assumed it probably harked back to some usage in NY even before sports teams…like it was on street signs or cop’s badges or something.[/quote]
Not so far as I know.
The Yankees’ logo was famously adapted from a police medal, but I’ve never heard any source for the Giants’ version.
I do know that the one the Mets wear was worn relatively briefly by the Giants, only the last ten years or so. I’ve always preferred the Giants’ link, the one they wore from the 19th century through link.
[quote comment=”280598″]http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=368671
there’s the url for the photo…[/quote]
It definitely looks askew. You’d think they’d have a few kicking around from Draft day.
[quote comment=”280572″]My brother and I are making a trip up to yankee stadium for the first time ever. I was wondering if anyone else here has been there, if so what are some things that we should know?[/quote]
You can bring in your own food, which is, as far as I know, not very common anymore. Bring it in a clear bag without any glass items and you’ll save on concession $$$.
Don’t drive in if you can help it. Subway is easy and much cheaper than parking.
Manny’s Baseball Land is gone. That’s where I bought my first authentic MLB hats and at one time was the coolest store in the world. But under the elevated subway lines outside rightfield are some …ahem… interesting bars and a bunch of places selling Yankee crap at somewhat better prices than are inside the park.
If you are not rooting for the Yanks, be discreet. I’ve been there rooting for the Orioles and caught some good natured heat. And be prepared to laugh. Yankee fans say (and yell) some of the funniest stuff you’ll hear in a ballpark.
Have fun!!! I wish it was me. I love the place.
[quote comment=”280601″][quote comment=”280564″]I’m sure it’s been discussed here, but can someone give a brief history of that “NY”?
Because Mets adopted their hat logo from the Giants, and because the Knicks and football Giants have for as long as I can remember “borrowed” from the different versions, I’ve assumed it probably harked back to some usage in NY even before sports teams…like it was on street signs or cop’s badges or something.[/quote]
Not so far as I know.
The Yankees’ logo was famously adapted from a police medal, but I’ve never heard any source for the Giants’ version.
I do know that the one the Mets wear was worn relatively briefly by the Giants, only the last ten years or so. I’ve always preferred the Giants’ link, the one they wore from the 19th century through link.[/quote]
Further information on the interlocking NY:
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[quote comment=”280603″][quote comment=”280572″]My brother and I are making a trip up to yankee stadium for the first time ever. I was wondering if anyone else here has been there, if so what are some things that we should know?[/quote]
You can bring in your own food, which is, as far as I know, not very common anymore. Bring it in a clear bag without any glass items and you’ll save on concession $$$.
Don’t drive in if you can help it. Subway is easy and much cheaper than parking.
Manny’s Baseball Land is gone. That’s where I bought my first authentic MLB hats and at one time was the coolest store in the world. But under the elevated subway lines outside rightfield are some …ahem… interesting bars and a bunch of places selling Yankee crap at somewhat better prices than are inside the park.
If you are not rooting for the Yanks, be discreet. I’ve been there rooting for the Orioles and caught some good natured heat. And be prepared to laugh. Yankee fans say (and yell) some of the funniest stuff you’ll hear in a ballpark.
Have fun!!! I wish it was me. I love the place.[/quote]
Thanks, when i go they will be playing the orioles but i am a huge yankees fan. i live near buffalo so i am taking a bus up so i hope it doesnt rain
[quote comment=”280584″]Utah unveiled its Under Armour uniforms. Unsurprising Under Armour Related News: They’re considering a black alternate. Ugh.
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Yea… I see that and all I think is that their bra-straps are falling off their shoulders…
[quote comment=”280578″][quote comment=”280519″]I think I have the answer to the font discrepancy on the Pirates’ 1979 uniforms.
When the team introduced the 3 versions in 1977 — white with chalk stripes, black, and gold — the white and black versions came from a manufacturer in Japan, while the gold ones were domestic, probably from Rawlings. The lettering and numbers on the golds matched the prior white/gray with back and old gold trim that had been in vogue from 1970-76. If you look at the new striped whites and the blacks, you’ll see that the graphics match.[/quote]
I believe the Japanese company you referred to was Descente. As for the yellow jerseys (a least the one posted at the top of this page), I would say almost definitely Wilson. Wilson V-necks were, for the lack of a better term, very tight while Rawlings tended to bow out a little. Same goes for the Wathan card, it was correctly identified as a shot from 1985 (last year as active player) or earlier, just from the neckline.[/quote]
Descente made unis? I thought they were like for biking, skiing, etc. I had a warmup of theirs and they make quality stuff.
Paul,
The “brimless catcher’s helmets” you keep referring to are actually called skull caps.
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Once MLB in the 80’s changed their rules to state that all catchers had to wear a helmet instead of a hat behind the plate, the skull cap gained more exposure.
Alex Trevino, who played with the Astros, Mets & others also wore a skull cap, but I haven’t been able to find any pictures online.
Just what the Yankees needed…another poorly hitting first baseman:
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I’m interested to see whether the number placement problems that persiested in Seattle will show up in the Bronx!
All I have to say is:
5 for 5, 4 runs scored and 4 RBI’s
You look good, you play good!
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I play for a bar called The Porch
Thus the Pirates 5950.
Black Nike 5-Tool MCS,
Black High Nike socks ala Ronnie Belliard, can’t find black stirrups
Grey Easton pants with Black Piping
Black Nike Dri-Fit Tee
Alas, No Brewers gear tonight!
[quote comment=”280610″]All I have to say is:
5 for 5, 4 runs scored and 4 RBI’s
You look good, you play good!
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link
link
I play for a bar called The Porch
Thus the Pirates 5950.
Black Nike 5-Tool MCS,
Black High Nike socks ala Ronnie Belliard, can’t find black stirrups
Grey Easton pants with Black Piping
Black Nike Dri-Fit Tee
Alas, No Brewers gear tonight![/quote]
Try here for stirrups…
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I certainly hope that among the brimless helmet catchers we are including Crash Davis of the Durham Bulls, holder of the minor league record for home runs.
He did, after all, once spend 21 days in The Show.
And to think, this guy caused free agency as we know it…and for all the bucks he got, the name on the back of his jersey was “CHANNEL”…until Chuck Feeney got wise to that.
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[quote comment=”280611″][quote comment=”280610″]All I have to say is:
5 for 5, 4 runs scored and 4 RBI’s
You look good, you play good!
link
link
link
I play for a bar called The Porch
Thus the Pirates 5950.
Black Nike 5-Tool MCS,
Black High Nike socks ala Ronnie Belliard, can’t find black stirrups
Grey Easton pants with Black Piping
Black Nike Dri-Fit Tee
Alas, No Brewers gear tonight![/quote]
Try here for stirrups…
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Ricko, you are the UW Johnny-on-the-spot!
Thanks
[quote comment=”280605″][quote comment=”280603″][quote comment=”280572″]My brother and I are making a trip up to yankee stadium for the first time ever. I was wondering if anyone else here has been there, if so what are some things that we should know?[/quote]
You can bring in your own food, which is, as far as I know, not very common anymore. Bring it in a clear bag without any glass items and you’ll save on concession $$$.
Don’t drive in if you can help it. Subway is easy and much cheaper than parking.
Manny’s Baseball Land is gone. That’s where I bought my first authentic MLB hats and at one time was the coolest store in the world. But under the elevated subway lines outside rightfield are some …ahem… interesting bars and a bunch of places selling Yankee crap at somewhat better prices than are inside the park.
If you are not rooting for the Yanks, be discreet. I’ve been there rooting for the Orioles and caught some good natured heat. And be prepared to laugh. Yankee fans say (and yell) some of the funniest stuff you’ll hear in a ballpark.
Have fun!!! I wish it was me. I love the place.[/quote]
Thanks, when i go they will be playing the orioles but i am a huge yankees fan. i live near buffalo so i am taking a bus up so i hope it doesnt rain[/quote]
I was just there a few weeks ago when the Yanks played the Reds. We wore our Reds gear and had no problems. We actually ran into a bunch of fans from Cincy that made the trip to see the park just as we did.
There are a few good sports bars right outside the park. Every one we went into was cash only. Also, if you want to see the stadium, especially Monumen Park, get there when the gates open.
BTW, Twin City Knitting is the exclusive supplier to Major League Baseball for their socks. that’s why they have the license to make replica socks and the authentic stuff as well.
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Jolly Roger? Better than the Parrot?
One question: Can the Jolly Roger put his beak over a 6-year-old’s head and pretend to bite? NO!
[quote comment=”280601″][quote comment=”280564″]I’m sure it’s been discussed here, but can someone give a brief history of that “NY”?
Because Mets adopted their hat logo from the Giants, and because the Knicks and football Giants have for as long as I can remember “borrowed” from the different versions, I’ve assumed it probably harked back to some usage in NY even before sports teams…like it was on street signs or cop’s badges or something.[/quote]
Not so far as I know.
The Yankees’ logo was famously adapted from a police medal, but I’ve never heard any source for the Giants’ version.
I do know that the one the Mets wear was worn relatively briefly by the Giants, only the last ten years or so. I’ve always preferred the Giants’ link, the one they wore from the 19th century through link.[/quote]
Here is a picture and blurb about the
link Courtesy Time Out New York.
[quote comment=”280481″]Mr. Markham’s obsessive attention to detail is to be lauded. That can’t be easy. Those little Chargers characters are wonderful.
I wonder if he produces the old Patriot Pat helmet on such a small scale? Based on those Chargers fellas, I wouldn’t be surprised.[/quote]
I sure would do the Old Pats, next on my list.