Yesterday I highlighted a bunch of uni-related items currently being auctioned off by Leland’s. As I mentioned at the time, they have a separate auction catalog just for old photos, many of which are doozies. Here’s a rundown of some that caught my eye:
• You’ve heard of a player winning “the batting crown,” but how often have you seen him wearing an actual crown to mark the occasion? That’s Dixie Walker, who led the National League with a .357 average in 1944.
• Here’s something I’ve never seen before: Ralph Kiner going totally bare-armed (Ã la Big Klu).
• We’ve all seen old baseball jerseys with lace-up closures. But I’ve never seen the laces look as, well, lace-y as they do here.
• You all know how I’m fond of old-school baseball sweaters, so you can imagine how much I love this shot of Christy Mathewson.
• Great cross-sport photo here: Ty Cobb in golf attire.
• Although I’ve seen it before, it’s always hard to accept that old-time ballplayers kept their fielding gloves tucked in their back pockets. (Also: Lots of dead-ball players looked sort of stiff and unathletic, at least by contemporary standards, but this shot — which is of Larry Doyle, circa 1910s — looks unusually supple and fluid for a hitter from that era.)
• We’re so used to the Yankees wearing “NY” at home and “New York” on the road that it’s easy to forget that they wore “Yankees” — on the road — from 1927 through 1930.
• Here’s future American League prexy Joe Cronin wearing a very unusual uniform. The shot — which is one of the nicer baseball portraits I’ve ever seen — was taken in 1922, when Cronin was only 16 years old and playing for the Columbia Park Boys Club team. Look closely at the chest logo and you’ll see that it repeats the “CPBC” lettering on the placket — unusual case of an acronym appearing twice on the front of a jersey.
• Major find here: a bunch of old San Francisco 49ers publicity pics. These were shot in 1946, when the team was about to begin its inaugural season in the All American Football Conference. Not sure if they didn’t have real uniforms yet or if the stenciled jerseys were their regular practice attire. Either way, very cool.
• Speaking of the Niners, did you know that they originally wore red helmets? Check out these shots of them playing the Browns in 1954. Not sure who the other team is in this shot, but that’s the Niners trying to block the punt, and they’re running the ball here. (And as long as we’re talking about the Niners, check out this interview shot — are those old mics and logos totally hot or what?)
• Check this out: some pics from the Baltimore Colts’ first season, 1953. No shoulder stripes!
• Sixty-eight years after the fact, the Chicago Bears’ sleeve striping is instantly recognizable, even in black-and-white.
• Awesome Uni Watch fodder here, as Blackhawks coach Paul Thompson is shown inspecting the team’s new 1944 uniforms.
• I guess they needed an XXXXL jersey for this guy. That’s Leo Durocher being a good sport.
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Research Project: Shea Stadium has Cow-Bell Man (who’s a fan), and PNC Park has Camera Guy (a working photographer, who actually has his own MySpace page). Do other stadiums have folks who regularly roam the stands wearing a uniform with an entrenched NOB persona? I’m not talking about some yayhoo who shows up every now and then, or about a team-employed mascot — I mean a regular person who everyone knows because he’s always at the game, and who happens to wear some sort of specialized “fan name” on his back. If you know of any, please get in touch.
Uni Watch News Ticker: Clever jersey display at PNC Park (with thanks to Ryan Connelly, who also provided that Camera Guy photo). ”¦ I’m sure the NFL was pleased to see Rocky Mountain News cartoonist Drew Litton using the league’s new logo. ”¦ Hanif Johnson, a high school track-and-fielder in Pennsylvania, apparently favors some seriously rad socks (with thanks to Rich Canulli). ”¦ This is hilarious (and for those who want more coverage, I believe my ESPN colleague Jim Caple will have something on it today on Page 2). ”¦ Very cool Coca-Cola uniform catalog available here. ”¦ UAB has unveiled its new football uniforms. Details here (with thanks to Shane Maddox). ”¦ Shane also got access to some screen grabs from an upcoming NCAA video game. “Looks like Sryacuse went back to a little of McNabb’s era on the helmet. The S on the side is outlined in white now, too.” ”¦ I’m going to be out and about for most of today, so Bryan will be minding the store, and I’ve entrusted him with the site’s top-secret self-destruct sequence, so play nice or else. Happy Memorial Day Weekend to one and all — see you next week.
The Blue Jackets have a super fan that show up to every game. He has a jersey with his name, a couple of jumbotron spots, and they occasionally cut to him during games, where he dances and takes off his shirt, to reveal that he’s morbidly obese. He’s THE man.
Hmm. I don’t think Horn Guy has his own jersey, but I think Goat, the other well-known Caps fan, might. He’s the big guy behind one of the goals that you easily hear cheering at Caps games.
I’m guessing, and it’s only a guess I confess, but in those shots of the 49ers vs. the mystery team – I think that would be the Giants. Given the uniform/helmet color, the single stripe on the helmet, and the color of the pants/socks.
The only problem with that is, the Giants and 49ers didn’t play in 1954. And in fact, neither did the 49ers and Browns. See their schedule here: … link
Could it be that those shots are from preseason games, and they only wore the red helmets in games that didn’t count?
That Syracuse screen shot isn’t accurate at all- it shows people in the stands.
ESPNU was showing the link last night, dig the footwear!
Paul, I remember reading about a big Mets fan who attends every game wearing a #52 jersey. His name is escaping me — anyone ever see him at Shea?
being generally depressed about the Mets season going nowhere (and fast) I got a good laugh and a bit of perspective from the following article
A must read for all baseball fans about the Worse team ever…..
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And to salute their leader, some interesting pics (I have never seen them, but sure others have)
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How all ballplayers and Managers should look well, maybe younger…)
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I sent an email but I thought of another one too.
The Cowbell Kid – Rays
Woo Woo – Cubs (Ronnie Woo Woo)
[quote comment=”272563″]The Blue Jackets have a super fan that show up to every game. He has a jersey with his name, a couple of jumbotron spots, and they occasionally cut to him during games, where he dances and takes off his shirt, to reveal that he’s morbidly obese. He’s THE man.[/quote]
I doubt that he has to remove his shirt to reveal that he is morbidly obese. I’m guessing it’s pretty obvious all the time. :)
I’m not sure if this fits, but doesn’t Brian Knobbs, one of the old “Nasty Boys” from WWF/E go to all the Tampa Bay (Devil) Rays games and wear a jersey that says “Nasty” or “Nasty Boy” on it.
the ahl’s current manitoba moose and the cfl’s winnipeg blue bombers have the whirling dervise known as dancing gabe. he started as a fixture at winnipeg jets nhl games and has moved to the these teams since the jets left for phoenix.
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sorry i meant dervish…..
The Chicago Cubs have Ronnie Woo Woo. He’s an annoying clown. I think he is/was homeless, but somehow gets into every game and has received free dental work from some Cubs fan dentist. Good story, but the most annoying guy in the world.
“Cubs Woo, Cubs Woo, Cubs Woo” is justifiable reason for homicide in my opinion.
Back in the ’70s the Bulls had a guy named Jeff Platt who was usually in the 350-400 range, and he’d run laps around the court during timeouts. I doubt they’d come up with a promotion yet where anyone with a ticket stub from the game he had a heart attack would win a free hot dog, or chalupa, or something.
Nike is at it again: link
;-)
I can’t thik of any NOB folks in the stands, but this has awakened memories of wonderful characters like Andy the clown, Wild Bill Hagy, Fireman Ed, etc. None of these guys had a real NOB, though (Fireman Ed= Bruce Harper jersey, Wild Bill= stinky tank top, Andy = Clown outfit), and, with the exception of Fireman Ed, were all trreated badly at the hands of management.
Not for nothing, but notice that Ty Cobb is playing golf left-handed, in a time when lefty equipment was almost impossible to find.
Ronnie Woo Woo pretty much sums up in a word why, although beautiful, Wrigley is just not a great place too see a game. If it’s not the drunkin frat boys that won’t shut up, it’s that annoying buffoon Ronnie Woo Woo screaming all game long. I was one section over frim him 2 years ago during one of the cross town games, terrible. Here’s his site, complete with uni photos, but of from what I can tell, he kept it classy with NNOB. I use classy pretty lossely when refering to this weirdo.
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Ronnie has at least had the NOB before…but no number:
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Any one else notice the cover of SI this week with Bizarro Baseball coverage and cringe??
[quote comment=”272581″]Ronnie has at least had the NOB before…but no number:
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I stand corrected, one more reason to pray someone stops buying him tickets. I’m trying to remember what they called him, but there’s a guy that’s been at every single White Sox game I’ve ever been too. With and old hat covered in pins, wearing a old customized jersey and waving a sock non-stop during the games. Can’t for the life of me think of his name though, anybody?
edit button? yes, no, maybe so?
[quote comment=”272566″]That Syracuse screen shot isn’t accurate at all- it shows people in the stands.[/quote]
Damn…beat me to it. It was honestly the first thing I thought of when I pulled it up.
Ten seconds after the last picture was taken, Cobb spiked his caddy.
[quote comment=”272582″]Any one else notice the cover of SI this week with Bizarro Baseball coverage and cringe??[/quote]
No, nobody has noticed the cover.
It has been mentioned a couple of days this week. Frankly, I’m of the opinion that it is Bizarro World and everything is wrong. So, no cringing is needed.
[quote comment=”272587″][quote comment=”272582″]Any one else notice the cover of SI this week with Bizarro Baseball coverage and cringe??[/quote]
No, nobody has noticed the cover.
It has been mentioned a couple of days this week. Frankly, I’m of the opinion that it is Bizarro World and everything is wrong. So, no cringing is needed.[/quote]
Awww shoot … my sarcasm tag got eaten. “No, nobody has noticed the cover” was sarcasm. :)
[quote comment=”272588″][quote comment=”272587″][quote comment=”272582″]Any one else notice the cover of SI this week with Bizarro Baseball coverage and cringe??[/quote]
No, nobody has noticed the cover.
It has been mentioned a couple of days this week. Frankly, I’m of the opinion that it is Bizarro World and everything is wrong. So, no cringing is needed.[/quote]
Awww shoot … my sarcasm tag got eaten. “No, nobody has noticed the cover” was sarcasm. :)[/quote]
It’s been talked about, but I haven’t SEEN it yet. Anyone? Anyone?
I sent an email, but the Patriots have a guy they call “Mr. Freeze” who goes to every game. he wears a jersey and paints his whole head(he’s bald).
re: Mystery teams in photos. The guys tackling Otto Graham are Colts, right before added horsehoes to helmets…montage of Colts photos corroborate it. Mystery team defending 49ers (that’s #39 Hugh McElhenny running the ball, btw) is the Redskins. Not Giants, pants are too dark. Back then, ‘Skins wore Burgundy (more like maroon actually) helmets with an old gold stripe. Plus, the numerals were sorta distinctive, corners were “peaked”. This is just after Sammie Baugh retired (last game photos of him are in that dark helmet), cuz otherwise he’d have been the punter.
Here’s color shot of the red ‘Niner helmet…
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and the ‘Skins…
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anyone see the new SI cover? It looks like Yankee stadium with the Rays as the home team and the Yankees as visiting. Oh and it has Jeter in the Yankee gray with his NOB.
Discuss.
would have sent an email but i’m not sure – phillies fans help me out here – almost every time i went to games at The Vet there was a guy walking around the lower concourse with an American flag and he always had a phils jersey with “FLAGMAN” on the back – anyone remember this? couldn’t find a pic
In the shot of Ruth and Gehrig in their “Yankees” road jerseys, it looks like the stirrups are two-toned. Seems strange given that the Yankees don’t really have an accent color. I assume the top color is navy. Is the bottom color gray or ?? Anyone know?
I have no photographic evidence but Ohio State Football had Neutron Man up until his passing in 2004.
Wiki evidence – link
OSU Fund in his name –
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He did have a NOB jersey but I haven’t found any photographic evidence, only know from seeing it firsthand. I emailed Paul, hopefully he can dig something up.
[quote comment=”272594″]In the shot of Ruth and Gehrig in their “Yankees” road jerseys, it looks like the stirrups are two-toned. Seems strange given that the Yankees don’t really have an accent color. I assume the top color is navy. Is the bottom color gray or ?? Anyone know?[/quote]
It does look like they’re navy and gray. It also looks like they’re pretty darn thick.
Retraction!!! Yes, that’s the Niners tackling Graham. Duh. Colts unis would photographed much the same in B&W cuz striping scheme was identical. And they (the Colts) did at that time have blue helmets, eventually with the horseshoes on the back, on either side of the white stripe…before moving them to where they are now, when helmets changed to white.
Okay, I’m embarrassed enough, don’t start ragging on me. LOL.
[quote comment=”272592″]anyone see the new SI cover? It looks like Yankee stadium with the Rays as the home team and the Yankees as visiting. Oh and it has Jeter in the Yankee gray with his NOB.
Discuss.[/quote]
Because it’s suppossed to bizzaro world so everything is the opposite of what’s normal. So the Yankees play away games in Yankee stadium
[quote comment=”272596″][quote comment=”272594″]In the shot of Ruth and Gehrig in their “Yankees” road jerseys, it looks like the stirrups are two-toned. Seems strange given that the Yankees don’t really have an accent color. I assume the top color is navy. Is the bottom color gray or ?? Anyone know?[/quote]
It does look like they’re navy and gray. It also looks like they’re pretty darn thick.[/quote]
On that same shot, I wonder what color the YANKEES lettering is. It looks way too light to be their navy blue and is clearly lighter than the caps. A lighter shade of blue? Some other color?
I’ve seen that shot before. Kinda figured was dark gray to match dark gray portion of stirrups. Hard to imagine Yankees ever using a shade of blue other than navy. Never thought to see what Okkonen or “Dressed to the Nines” says about it.
[quote comment=”272594″]In the shot of Ruth and Gehrig in their “Yankees” road jerseys, it looks like the stirrups are two-toned. Seems strange given that the Yankees don’t really have an accent color. I assume the top color is navy. Is the bottom color gray or ?? Anyone know?[/quote]
Two-toned stirrups are the absolute pinnacle of sock awesomeness IMO. Why has no team used that style on so long!? Just thinking of the White SOx using that style with black on top and white the bottom for home, and maybe gray on the bottom for road, would make my heart grow 3 sizes that day.
Dressed to the Nines apparently doesn’t know about the socks…or the obviously lighter colored lettering.
Looks like Dressed to the Nines shows solid blue stirrups, with the cap, stirrups and lettering all the same shade of blue. But I agree, in this picture the lettering definitely doesn’t look like the same shade as the cap. Not sure if this link will work…
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[quote comment=”272593″]would have sent an email but i’m not sure – phillies fans help me out here – almost every time i went to games at The Vet there was a guy walking around the lower concourse with an American flag and he always had a phils jersey with “FLAGMAN” on the back – anyone remember this? couldn’t find a pic[/quote]
After 9/11 he would walk around the upper deck ALL GAME. Just around and around and around…
People would walk behind him like a parade.
I miss the Vet.
“how often have you seen him wearing an actual crown”
[quote comment=”272601″][quote comment=”272594″]In the shot of Ruth and Gehrig in their “Yankees” road jerseys, it looks like the stirrups are two-toned. Seems strange given that the Yankees don’t really have an accent color. I assume the top color is navy. Is the bottom color gray or ?? Anyone know?[/quote]
Two-toned stirrups are the absolute pinnacle of sock awesomeness IMO. Why has no team used that style on so long!? Just thinking of the White SOx using that style with black on top and white the bottom for home, and maybe gray on the bottom for road, would make my heart grow 3 sizes that day.[/quote]
Didn’t the Angels mess around with two-tone Navy and Red stirrups in the late 60s or early 70s for a while? Might only have been a game or two. I know it wasn’t for a full season.
“how often have you seen him wearing an actual crown”
-Sorry-I don’t reply much here – Didn’t Babe Ruth wear a crown in a pic, or, is that something made up in my mind,maybe from Goodman’s “The Babe” movie?
[quote comment=”272605″]”how often have you seen him wearing an actual crown”[/quote]
He looks like he just came back from Burger King with that thing on his head.
[quote comment=”272606″][quote comment=”272601″][quote comment=”272594″]In the shot of Ruth and Gehrig in their “Yankees” road jerseys, it looks like the stirrups are two-toned. Seems strange given that the Yankees don’t really have an accent color. I assume the top color is navy. Is the bottom color gray or ?? Anyone know?[/quote]
Two-toned stirrups are the absolute pinnacle of sock awesomeness IMO. Why has no team used that style on so long!? Just thinking of the White SOx using that style with black on top and white the bottom for home, and maybe gray on the bottom for road, would make my heart grow 3 sizes that day.[/quote]
Didn’t the Angels mess around with two-tone Navy and Red stirrups in the late 60s or early 70s for a while? Might only have been a game or two. I know it wasn’t for a full season.[/quote]
Don’t think I’ve ever seen em, but I’d luv to see the pics if someone finds them. I love a striped stirrup as much as the next guy, but something about the simplicity of that two-toned look….”Oh.. I don’t know about you, but my peenie just went: Broomp!”
Keith and Ron were discussing their shared distaste for the Mets’ black hats during last night’s telecast. Keith said they were “softball league” caps…Those SNY guys sure are biased against the color black, eh?
[quote comment=”272600″]I’ve seen that shot before. Kinda figured was dark gray to match dark gray portion of stirrups. Hard to imagine Yankees ever using a shade of blue other than navy. Never thought to see what Okkonen or “Dressed to the Nines” says about it.[/quote]
Back in the day, stirrups weren’t always completely colored… because the dyes used could cause infections if a player was “spiked”, not only were white “sanitaries” worn, but the stirrups often were not dyed at foot level, as in link shot of Dizzy Dean.
[quote comment=”272607″]”how often have you seen him wearing an actual crown”
-Sorry-I don’t reply much here – Didn’t Babe Ruth wear a crown in a pic, or, is that something made up in my mind,maybe from Goodman’s “The Babe” movie?[/quote]
I know EXACTLY what image you’re talking about … at least in my mind, Ruth has a crown on his head, stogie in his mouth, and is wearing a king’s robe. He may even be sitting on a throne.
What I can’t believe is a google search (both standard and “image search”) brought up no such thing.
Re: Bizarro Baseball issue of SI…
Inside there was a painting for an article about Spygate (Scorecard Section). The fan was wearing a super bowl XLI hat, not XLII. Am I missing something or was this a mistake?
In those four shots of the 1946 49ers, in the lower right-hand corner, they’re wearing different leather helmets (two-tone red and white, presumably, similar in design to what the Bears of that era sported).
the red wings have a guy who goes by the name “mo cheese”. he has his own jersey and usually has that years number (changing each year). they put him on the jumbotron and he does some wacky dance.
[quote comment=”272607″]”how often have you seen him wearing an actual crown”
-Sorry-I don’t reply much here – Didn’t Babe Ruth wear a crown in a pic, or, is that something made up in my mind,maybe from Goodman’s “The Babe” movie?[/quote]
Yep, link wore a crown… I think he’d hit the “Triple Crown”, leading the league in batting average, homers, and RBI.
New football uniforms at Indiana State to go along with the new coach. Finally going to white helmets and they appear to be New Balance, which I was unaware made football unis. Check them out here.
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[quote comment=”272615″]the red wings have a guy who goes by the name “mo cheese”. he has his own jersey and usually has that years number (changing each year). they put him on the jumbotron and he does some wacky dance.[/quote]
Yeah I’ve seen him at games since the mid 90s. I think he’s paid by the wings though. He always comes down at the same time of every game he’s at, and has his own music.
[quote comment=”272585″][quote comment=”272566″]That Syracuse screen shot isn’t accurate at all- it shows people in the stands.[/quote]
Damn…beat me to it. It was honestly the first thing I thought of when I pulled it up.[/quote]
Doesn’t that make three helmet designs in three years now? I guess Syracuse thinks that if they change up their helmet enough one of them will produce a winning season.
[quote comment=”272617″]New football uniforms at Indiana State to go along with the new coach. Finally going to white helmets and they appear to be New Balance, which I was unaware made football unis. Check them out here.
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Hmm…I wonder why no stripes on the road pants, too? Guess just not a look kids favor.
Awesome old football photos.
What’s interesting about link is that both teams are wearing dark jerseys. If it’s the Niners and the Redskins, wouldn’t they have been too similar (were the ‘Skins wearing burgundy then?)?
First I saw that photo I thought it looked like the LA Coliseum and that might have been the LA Dons, but if it’s really 1954, I don’t know. Is that Kezar?
I think link is recognizable as Memorial Stadium in Baltimore, and as for the Colts’ jerseys with no shoulder stripes, link on link.
[quote comment=”272617″]New football uniforms at Indiana State to go along with the new coach. Finally going to white helmets and they appear to be New Balance, which I was unaware made football unis. Check them out here.
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Those new unis look pretty classy. Overall I think the state of Indiana might have the best unis in all of football. EVen though UI looks a little/lot too muhc like Oklahoma.
St. Louis has several..
There’s Father Time link …who goes to ALL St. Louis major events…usually dressed as Uncle Sam…
The Cardinals have a guy that goes around the stadium with a microphone doing contests and things…few know his name, so he wears a THAT ONE GUY jersey. Sorry, no pic.
The Blues have Towel Man, who usually wears a jersey with 123 on it. link
The Cards also have Sign Guy, but I don’t believe his NOB is usually a dig at the Cubs. Check the 6th paragraph in the link for Father Time.
The Blue Jackets guy is Dancing Kevin. His myspace is not for the weak of heart.
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Check this out: some pics from the Baltimore Colts’ first season, 1953. No shoulder stripes!
Didn’t they wear those jerseys in a throwback game at Detroit a couple of years back?
I’m more fascinated by the pre-upper deck Memorial Stadium in the background.
[quote comment=”272621″]Awesome old football photos.
What’s interesting about link is that both teams are wearing dark jerseys. If it’s the Niners and the Redskins, wouldn’t they have been too similar (were the ‘Skins wearing burgundy then?)?
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Most NFL teams in those days got by with just a single kit. It was only in 1956 or 1957 – I forget which – when the league mandated colored jerseys for home teams & white jerseys for visitors (or vice-versa in some cases) to give hope to people watching games on (then-standard) black-and-white TVs. It was also at this time that “TV numbers” came in.
RE: If it’s the Niners and the Redskins, wouldn’t they have been too similar (were the ‘Skins wearing burgundy then?)?
It’s the ‘Skins, alright. Their burgundy back then was almost maroon. Pre-TV many, many times games featured both teams in dark jerseys. And, yes, it’s Kezar.
One easy way to tell if it’s ever the Dons or Miami Seahawks or any other AAFC team that didn’t survive to wind up in the NFL…all AAFC play was without a numbering code.
Still odd to see that. Was looking through the CFL section of 1960 Peterson Pro Football Annual I found on ebay a couple weeks ago (found ’61 and ’62, too). I’d forgotten that RB Cookie Gilchrist wore #85 with the Argonauts and QB Sam Etchevery was #92 for the Alouettes. For anyone not old enough to remember those guys, they both ended up in the NFL within a couple years…Gilchrist with the Bills, Etchevery with the Cardinals.
That brings to mind an interesting question. Who was the last full-time NFL QB who didn’t wear a number from 1-19? John Hadl (#21) with Chargers and Rams, maybe?
The other team in that 49ers photo has to be the Giants. Looks like gray pants, the helmet has a single stripe, and that jersey and helmet would appear to be blue against the red of the Niners.
[quote comment=”272616″][quote comment=”272607″]”how often have you seen him wearing an actual crown”
-Sorry-I don’t reply much here – Didn’t Babe Ruth wear a crown in a pic, or, is that something made up in my mind,maybe from Goodman’s “The Babe” movie?[/quote]
Yep, link wore a crown… I think he’d hit the “Triple Crown”, leading the league in batting average, homers, and RBI.[/quote]
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Nope. It’s the Redskins. Pants too dark to be Giants’ silver/gray (old gold photographs considerably darker in B&W than silver/gray)…and the fancy numbers were the Redskins’ style back then. Also, in many old photos is almost hard to see the stripe on Giants helmet cuz colors are of such similar value.
Here again, note the diagonal, slighly concave edges on numbers and compare to photo. ‘Skins had that style, Giants didn’t
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Not arguring, just want to make sure we all envision the colors as they were. That’s what this is about, right?
[quote comment=”272564″]Hmm. I don’t think Horn Guy has his own jersey, but I think Goat, the other well-known Caps fan, might. He’s the big guy behind one of the goals that you easily hear cheering at Caps games.[/quote]
Yep, the Goat rocks the NOB:
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Thought I’d look for any hard evidence to help us re: Giants or Redskins. If it’s 1954, ‘Niners played Redskins in opening game at Kezar (SF won, 41-7), and didn’t play the Giants that year.
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Tim McKernan was the Broncos “Barrel Man” for 30 years. No jersey with a NOB, but a strategically-placed barrel.
Came across link during my Google image search for “barrel man broncos.”
Might look familiar to regular UniWatch readers.
The now defunct WCHL/ECHL San Diego Gulls had a cow-bell ringing fan that wore a jersey that said Cow Bell Chuck when spoken, but he spelled it in an eastern European interpretation that actually made it seem like a hockey player’s last name: Kowbelchuk. I always thought that was cool.
There’s a guy that goes to Los Angeles Angels games wearing “Bubble Gum Man” as his NOB (#69), and he has a big plastic tub of Bazooka gum that he distributes to kids/fans.
The Texas Rangers have Zonk:
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Pretty sure he has shirts with NOB but couldn\’t find a picture.
[quote comment=”272632″]Thought I’d look for any hard evidence to help us re: Giants or Redskins. If it’s 1954, ‘Niners played Redskins in opening game at Kezar (SF won, 41-7), and didn’t play the Giants that year.
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Played them in the first game of the 1956 season at Kezar. Maybe that’s what the pic is from?
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The Yankees have Freddy…no name or jersey, but a frying pan and a spoon, and very nice handwritten signs that usually have a positive note on them…”freddy sez”
Look at the style of numbers on the punter.
By ’56 ‘Niners had changed to white helmets.
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Really, I’m not being difficult. I just spent a lot of time as kid in the 50s and 60s figuring out uniform colors from B&W photos, looking for ways to interpret different colors and find details that would give glues to tell one team from another…so I got pretty good at it.
Won’t make me a dime, of course, but still…LOL
Again, it’s not about who’s right, it’s about making sure we uni wonks GET it right. Agreed?
heres freddy
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Check out these sleeves!
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How could you swing a bat in those things?
One more means of determination. Only two players punted for Giants in ’56. Charlie Conerly (#42) punted once. Don Chandler (#34) did the rest. Punter in photo is #22.
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[quote comment=”272586″]Ten seconds after the last picture was taken, Cobb spiked his caddy.[/quote]
Excellent!
Here’s a screen of Cal’s new unis…
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Folks,
Ricko is right. It IS the Redskins in this photo playing the 49ers. And it has to be from 1954. The Redskins wore gold helmets with a burgundy stripe in 1953. In 1955 the Redskins wore the same helmet as in the photos mentioned, but they added a shoulder stripe with a gold/white/gold stripe combo on the maroon jerseys. The 1955 Niners widened the silver stripe on the red helmet and added the renowned black drop shadow to the numerals, and had a red/black/red strip combo on the pants in 55.
I am documenting pro football unis worn since 1933.
[quote comment=”272598″][quote comment=”272592″]anyone see the new SI cover? It looks like Yankee stadium with the Rays as the home team and the Yankees as visiting. Oh and it has Jeter in the Yankee gray with his NOB.
Discuss.[/quote]
Because it’s suppossed to bizzaro world so everything is the opposite of what’s normal. So the Yankees play away games in Yankee stadium[/quote]
Apparently, it must be bizzaro world ’cause I totally missed that. :)
Sometimes I can’t see the forest through the trees…
[quote comment=”272644″]link.[/quote]
So…if you go to the Giants and Redskins pages at that site you will see there is no way the Giants pants of that era photgraph as dark as the Redskins do in black & white.
And again, check…the…numerals.
I’m really not arguing, cuz nothing to argue about. I do wonder, though, if maybe I’m not running up against the “Every photograph must first and always be more relevant and interesting if it’s a New York team” mindset.
Here’s the deal. I don’t CARE which team it is. But I KNOW which team it is.
Anyone who wants can talk til his dong falls off and it won’t change the team in those two photos from the Redskins to the Giants.
Thank you, Timmy B.
Let me know if there’s anything I can do to help on your project.
[quote comment=”272622″][quote comment=”272617″]New football uniforms at Indiana State to go along with the new coach. Finally going to white helmets and they appear to be New Balance, which I was unaware made football unis. Check them out here.
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Those new unis look pretty classy. Overall I think the state of Indiana might have the best unis in all of football. EVen though UI looks a little/lot too muhc like Oklahoma.[/quote]
I like the new Indiana St. unis. I wish U of Indiana would dump the white and go with cream like their official school colors. That would look cool and unique.
I also really like the new UAB threads. i wonder if the helmets will be green or gold?
[quote comment=”272648″][quote comment=”272598″][quote comment=”272592″]anyone see the new SI cover? It looks like Yankee stadium with the Rays as the home team and the Yankees as visiting. Oh and it has Jeter in the Yankee gray with his NOB.
Discuss.[/quote]
Because it’s suppossed to bizzaro world so everything is the opposite of what’s normal. So the Yankees play away games in Yankee stadium[/quote]
Apparently, it must be bizzaro world ’cause I totally missed that. :)
Sometimes I can’t see the forest through the trees…[/quote]
Shouldn’t that be, “can’t see the forest FOR the trees.”
[quote comment=”272616″][quote comment=”272607″]”how often have you seen him wearing an actual crown”
-Sorry-I don’t reply much here – Didn’t Babe Ruth wear a crown in a pic, or, is that something made up in my mind,maybe from Goodman’s “The Babe” movie?[/quote]
Yep, link wore a crown… I think he’d hit the “Triple Crown”, leading the league in batting average, homers, and RBI.[/quote]
I’m not sure that crown was connected with any on-the-field award; I think it was related to general “Sultan of Swat” publicity.
Ricko,
contact me at link
Just let me know that it’s RICKO!
I welcome your help and all others.
Pro football unis MUST be documented!!
Off on another tangent…
the site link is becoming incredible. It is as good as there is in the field.
Hey Paul,
Make sure not to play softball this week with soccer cleats. My little league team knows better than that.
This crazy dude has been showing up at Mariners games since at least 2001, when it looks like he had his jersey made.
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The ravens have quite a few fans like this. The one I know best (cause he sits near me) is link! (That’s not me in the picture.)
Another is link (who actually has his own website: link). I’m actually not sure if he has a NOB on the jersey cause of all the beads, but he has his own link which does.
There are others too but that’s all I could find after a few quick searches.
I know, Paul, too much purple…
Tampa Bay Devil Rays Turn Ahead the Clock Jersey. Haven’t seen a Rays version on eBay yet:
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[quote comment=”272629″][quote comment=”272616″][quote comment=”272607″]”how often have you seen him wearing an actual crown”
-Sorry-I don’t reply much here – Didn’t Babe Ruth wear a crown in a pic, or, is that something made up in my mind,maybe from Goodman’s “The Babe” movie?[/quote]
Yep, link wore a crown… I think he’d hit the “Triple Crown”, leading the league in batting average, homers, and RBI.[/quote]
Good try, but …
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You don’t have permission to access[/quote]
I’m pretty sure Babe Ruth didn’t win the Triple Crown, but, Found a pic of him wearing a crown:
PICASAWEB.GOOGLE.COM/LH/PHOTO/PY0EXY3JHFIODQKM5FRQ1A
Hope this link works: It’s from Google page 12 of an Image search for Babe Ruth King
Did anyone else hear Peter Gammons say something about 7:30,et this morn on Mike&Mike Radio about 2 players(?) wearing 1952 Cleveland Indians jerseys?
Is this for an upcoming game?
[quote comment=”272621″]Awesome old football photos.
What’s interesting about link is that both teams are wearing dark jerseys. If it’s the Niners and the Redskins, wouldn’t they have been too similar (were the ‘Skins wearing burgundy then?)?
First I saw that photo I thought it looked like the LA Coliseum and that might have been the LA Dons, but if it’s really 1954, I don’t know. Is that Kezar?
I think link is recognizable as Memorial Stadium in Baltimore, and as for the Colts’ jerseys with no shoulder stripes, link on link.[/quote]
Nope, that’s still original Kezar in San Francisco. I recognize the sequence pattern of the lettered sections, as well as the distinctive light towers. Here is an overhead shot. link
You can’t quite tell, but of the 60,000 seats, they say that only 18,000 were between the goal lines. The stadium was shoehorned into a corner of Golden Gate Park, right in the middle of the neighborhood.
[quote comment=”272658″]Tampa Bay Devil Rays Turn Ahead the Clock Jersey. Haven’t seen a Rays version on eBay yet:
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Did they REALLY have for foresight to know they’d be excorsized in the future?
[quote comment=”272655″]Hey Paul,
Make sure not to play softball this week with soccer cleats. My little league team knows better than that.[/quote]
90% (or more) of the softall leagues on the planet prohibit steel spikes or screw-in cleats, limiting players to molded sole shoes only.
I still play three–sometimes four–days a week (including in a dome all winter, and sometimes travelling around the country for tournaments), and soccer shoes work just fine for softball.
Yes, a baseball-style molded sole with toe “spike” works a little better for playing the infield, in terms of starting your crossover step or when planting to throw, but in the outfield, unless the grass in super long or it’s really muddy, it makes virtually no difference at all.
I have thiry-some pair of cleats, mostly Nike, and probably 30% of them have molded, soccer-style bottoms.
In fact, if you check the early days of artificial turf, the shoes major leagues wore were essentially molded cleat soccer shoes.
So don’t let anyone give you too much crap, Paul.
Although, yeah, ya COULD shine ’em up a little. LOL
OMG, I mentioned the number of cleats to show what a collector dork I am, not to sound like an expert.
LOL…sorry about that.
[quote comment=”272651″]I like the new Indiana St. unis. I wish U of Indiana would dump the white and go with cream like their official school colors.[/quote]
Technically, Indiana University, not University of Indiana. IU is one of the few who has it reversed from what is generally considered “normal.”
And, yet, the University of Oklahoma has “OU” on their football helmets and the University of Kansas’ fans refer to the school as “KU,” so go figure.
[quote comment=”272668″]OMG, I mentioned the number of cleats to show what a collector dork I am, not to sound like an expert.
LOL…sorry about that.[/quote]
Oh, my Uniwatching brother … I think any of us that comment more than 2-3 times daily need to do nothing further to prove what dorks we really are. Just ask our wives (really or imaginary).
I think the “KU” derives from Kansasans differentiating between it and “K-State”. Pretty much in the vernacular there.
“OU” may come from wanting to be something other than a “Sooner”. Which students you figure spend more time explaining, “What’s a (blank) ?”…
…the Sooners, Hoosiers, Hoyas or Hokies?
…and as if to prove your point, I was typing even as you were.
In some cases might be “…wives (real AND imaginary)”.
[quote comment=”272652″][quote comment=”272648″][quote comment=”272598″][quote comment=”272592″]anyone see the new SI cover? It looks like Yankee stadium with the Rays as the home team and the Yankees as visiting. Oh and it has Jeter in the Yankee gray with his NOB.
Discuss.[/quote]
Because it’s suppossed to bizzaro world so everything is the opposite of what’s normal. So the Yankees play away games in Yankee stadium[/quote]
Apparently, it must be bizzaro world ’cause I totally missed that. :)
Sometimes I can’t see the forest through the trees…[/quote]
Shouldn’t that be, “can’t see the forest FOR the trees.”[/quote]
Exactly.
[quote comment=”272673″][quote comment=”272652″][quote comment=”272648″][quote comment=”272598″][quote comment=”272592″]anyone see the new SI cover? It looks like Yankee stadium with the Rays as the home team and the Yankees as visiting. Oh and it has Jeter in the Yankee gray with his NOB.
Discuss.[/quote]
Because it’s suppossed to bizzaro world so everything is the opposite of what’s normal. So the Yankees play away games in Yankee stadium[/quote]
Apparently, it must be bizzaro world ’cause I totally missed that. :)
Sometimes I can’t see the forest through the trees…[/quote]
Shouldn’t that be, “can’t see the forest FOR the trees.”[/quote]
Exactly.[/quote]
I could care less how it’s written (where’s the sarcasm tag again?).
[quote comment=”272638″][quote comment=”272632″]Thought I’d look for any hard evidence to help us re: Giants or Redskins. If it’s 1954, ‘Niners played Redskins in opening game at Kezar (SF won, 41-7), and didn’t play the Giants that year.
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Played them in the first game of the 1956 season at Kezar. Maybe that’s what the pic is from?
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This ought to get it straightened out for sure. On this page there’s a photo from that 1956 game in SF.
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Well, click on page three at upper right.
[quote comment=”272674″][quote comment=”272673″][quote comment=”272652″][quote comment=”272648″][quote comment=”272598″][quote comment=”272592″]anyone see the new SI cover? It looks like Yankee stadium with the Rays as the home team and the Yankees as visiting. Oh and it has Jeter in the Yankee gray with his NOB.
Discuss.[/quote]
Because it’s suppossed to bizzaro world so everything is the opposite of what’s normal. So the Yankees play away games in Yankee stadium[/quote]
Apparently, it must be bizzaro world ’cause I totally missed that. :)
Sometimes I can’t see the forest through the trees…[/quote]
Shouldn’t that be, “can’t see the forest FOR the trees.”[/quote]
Exactly.[/quote]
I could care less how it’s written (where’s the sarcasm tag again?).[/quote]
I left it under the White Sox pin-striped home jerseys, noone will find it for days.
[quote comment=”272677″][quote comment=”272674″][quote comment=”272673″][quote comment=”272652″][quote comment=”272648″][quote comment=”272598″][quote comment=”272592″]anyone see the new SI cover? It looks like Yankee stadium with the Rays as the home team and the Yankees as visiting. Oh and it has Jeter in the Yankee gray with his NOB.
Discuss.[/quote]
Because it’s suppossed to bizzaro world so everything is the opposite of what’s normal. So the Yankees play away games in Yankee stadium[/quote]
Apparently, it must be bizzaro world ’cause I totally missed that. :)
Sometimes I can’t see the forest through the trees…[/quote]
Shouldn’t that be, “can’t see the forest FOR the trees.”[/quote]
Exactly.[/quote]
I could care less how it’s written (where’s the sarcasm tag again?).[/quote]
I left it under the White Sox pin-striped home jerseys, noone will find it for days.[/quote]
Ooohhh … I think I smell a new Uniwatch program in the works – we can put money on how long certain teams (White Sox, Astros, D-Backs, etc.) will go between uses of their “standard” uniforms!
Check out this SI cover from 30 years ago. I seem to remember something written about this in past entries, but the guy in the background is either wearing an away jersey or his uniform inside out … link
[quote comment=”272679″]Check out this SI cover from 30 years ago. I seem to remember something written about this in past entries, but the guy in the background is either wearing an away jersey or his uniform inside out … link
I wouldn’t guarentee this is the case, but I BELIEVE Paul said that was a Spurs player whose uniform was unavailable (lost? ripped? not shipped?), and was wearing the inside out version of the Bullets uniform so he had SOMETHING on. It would have been much cooler to just have the first shirts on skins game in NBA history.
[quote comment=”272622″][quote comment=”272617″]New football uniforms at Indiana State to go along with the new coach. Finally going to white helmets and they appear to be New Balance, which I was unaware made football unis. Check them out here.
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Those new unis look pretty classy. Overall I think the state of Indiana might have the best unis in all of football. EVen though UI looks a little/lot too muhc like Oklahoma.[/quote]
I disagree! I prefer a certain state in the Northwest US that rhymes with Oregon!
[quote comment=”272668″]OMG, I mentioned the number of cleats to show what a collector dork I am, not to sound like an expert.
LOL…sorry about that.[/quote]
Don’t worry, Ricko…Check out my attic:
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And here’s my softball gear:
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“special edition” Spanish national jersey, home on the front, away on the back. weird.
[quote comment=”272682″][quote comment=”272668″]OMG, I mentioned the number of cleats to show what a collector dork I am, not to sound like an expert.
LOL…sorry about that.[/quote]
Don’t worry, Ricko…Check out my attic:
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And here’s my softball gear:
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What are those NB 574’s and 991’s doing there? I thought you were Nike Man.
[quote comment=”272681″][quote comment=”272622″][quote comment=”272617″]New football uniforms at Indiana State to go along with the new coach. Finally going to white helmets and they appear to be New Balance, which I was unaware made football unis. Check them out here.
link
Those new unis look pretty classy. Overall I think the state of Indiana might have the best unis in all of football. EVen though UI looks a little/lot too muhc like Oklahoma.[/quote]
I disagree! I prefer a certain state in the Northwest US that rhymes with Oregon![/quote]
Well you must also drink Milwaukee Best, drive a yellow truck, wear Zoobas, watch the Hills, and eat movie theatre hot dogs too, because your taste is impeccable.
[quote comment=”272682″][quote comment=”272668″]OMG, I mentioned the number of cleats to show what a collector dork I am, not to sound like an expert.
LOL…sorry about that.[/quote]
Don’t worry, Ricko…Check out my attic:
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And here’s my softball gear:
link
Good. Glad I’m not alone.
Wish Nike still made those Ripkens. Great shoe for the money.
[quote comment=”272684″][quote comment=”272682″][quote comment=”272668″]OMG, I mentioned the number of cleats to show what a collector dork I am, not to sound like an expert.
LOL…sorry about that.[/quote]
Don’t worry, Ricko…Check out my attic:
link
And here’s my softball gear:
link
What are those NB 574’s and 991’s doing there? I thought you were Nike Man.[/quote]
I am a connoiseur, a purveyor, if you will of all that is sneakers, Nike being of my preferred vintage!
Uh..Bryan? Hell-O?
Could we get a little spam protection from the ah, ahem, DORK who keeps posting that over and over?
[quote comment=”272685″][quote comment=”272681″][quote comment=”272622″][quote comment=”272617″]New football uniforms at Indiana State to go along with the new coach. Finally going to white helmets and they appear to be New Balance, which I was unaware made football unis. Check them out here.
link
Those new unis look pretty classy. Overall I think the state of Indiana might have the best unis in all of football. EVen though UI looks a little/lot too muhc like Oklahoma.[/quote]
I disagree! I prefer a certain state in the Northwest US that rhymes with Oregon![/quote]
Well you must also drink Milwaukee Best, drive a yellow truck, wear Zoobas, watch the Hills, and eat movie theatre hot dogs too, because your taste is impeccable.[/quote]
You must have read my profile on myspace!!!
My sarcasm button was broken DS!!!
i want him to stop now.
douche.
wtf? if you post on my site and i dont like it , I would remove it also.
watch this, the mets suck. i bet it doesnt get removed.
There’s a guy who comes to Michigan hockey games who has a 666 jersey with SATAN (I think it’s SATAN) on the back, with the correct fonts and everything. Strange to see a triple number on the back. I see him at most every game, or at least used to when I sat on the same side of the arena as him.
I apologize to Bryan, Vince, Paul and the rest of you UWers for helping to drag the board down to this level!
Nonetheless, keep your eyes peeled…I’ll talk to Y’all sometime this weekend! Enjoy the sun and all of those Barbecues!
Zonk is definitely legendary for Rangers fans. He’s been a season-ticket holder for 30 years I believe.
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This snippet confirms Zonk has a personalized jersey
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[quote comment=”272619″][quote comment=”272585″][quote comment=”272566″]That Syracuse screen shot isn’t accurate at all- it shows people in the stands.[/quote]
Damn…beat me to it. It was honestly the first thing I thought of when I pulled it up.[/quote]
Doesn’t that make three helmet designs in three years now? I guess Syracuse thinks that if they change up their helmet enough one of them will produce a winning season.[/quote]
Syracuse was a Top 15 program for 15 years consecutively. They’ve hit the skids a bit, but who hasn’t? There are about 4-5 programs in D-I that can make that claim
The Astros will link.
Note that at no point in the story does Krysten Oliphant actually mention what number Craig Biggio wore.
It’s a story about a guy’s number being retired. Astros fans know the number. Not everybody does. You kind of have to include the number.
Here’s a pic of Red Wings fan Mo Cheese, although you can’t see NOB in this shot:
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They also have a fan who wears an orange knit cap to every game, surprisingly they call him “Orange Hat Guy”. Even had an orange hat night giveaway this season.
player traded for bats
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My apologies, all. I’ll make sure to not spend any time with my family in the future in order to keep things like that from happening again. Yikes.
[quote comment=”272753″]The Astros will link.
Note that at no point in the story does Krysten Oliphant actually mention what number Craig Biggio wore.
Uh…paragraph 4?
It’s a story about a guy’s number being retired. Astros fans know the number. Not everybody does. You kind of have to include the number.[/quote]
[quote comment=”272753″]The Astros will link.
Note that at no point in the story does Krysten Oliphant actually mention what number Craig Biggio wore.
It’s a story about a guy’s number being retired. Astros fans know the number. Not everybody does. You kind of have to include the number.[/quote]
Retry. Look in Paragraph 4. Left it up to Drayton McLain whether or not to retire the #7.
[quote comment=”272752″][quote comment=”272619″][quote comment=”272585″][quote comment=”272566″]That Syracuse screen shot isn’t accurate at all- it shows people in the stands.[/quote]
Damn…beat me to it. It was honestly the first thing I thought of when I pulled it up.[/quote]
Doesn’t that make three helmet designs in three years now? I guess Syracuse thinks that if they change up their helmet enough one of them will produce a winning season.[/quote]
Syracuse was a Top 15 program for 15 years consecutively. They’ve hit the skids a bit, but who hasn’t? There are about 4-5 programs in D-I that can make that claim[/quote]
Yeah, three helmet designs in three years. It’s real ashame, because their first change, the numbers with the gray facemask, was one of the best designs in college football. I also am not looking forward to adding white back into the uniforms. The blue and orange two-tone was great.
[quote comment=”272759″][quote comment=”272752″][quote comment=”272619″][quote comment=”272585″][quote comment=”272566″]That Syracuse screen shot isn’t accurate at all- it shows people in the stands.[/quote]
Damn…beat me to it. It was honestly the first thing I thought of when I pulled it up.[/quote]
Doesn’t that make three helmet designs in three years now? I guess Syracuse thinks that if they change up their helmet enough one of them will produce a winning season.[/quote]
Syracuse was a Top 15 program for 15 years consecutively. They’ve hit the skids a bit, but who hasn’t? There are about 4-5 programs in D-I that can make that claim[/quote]
Yeah, three helmet designs in three years. It’s real ashame, because their first change, the numbers with the gray facemask, was one of the best designs in college football. I also am not looking forward to adding white back into the uniforms. The blue and orange two-tone was great.[/quote]
Sorry I’ve got to disagree with you there. I’m a student at SU and have had to watch the unbearable play on the field in recent years, as well as the awful uniforms, dare I bring up the orange season-opening debacle. The point is, I’ll welcome any change to the uniform, especially one that harkens to the team’s heydays of Donovan McNabb, even if it does sort of look a little too much like Illinois’ uniforms. Don’t expect much from the on-field product for awhile though. Daryl Gross, our athletic director, has decided to schedule the likes of USC, Penn State, BC, and Notre Dame till about 2012.
[quote comment=”272636″]The now defunct WCHL/ECHL San Diego Gulls had a cow-bell ringing fan that wore a jersey that said Cow Bell Chuck when spoken, but he spelled it in an eastern European interpretation that actually made it seem like a hockey player’s last name: Kowbelchuk. I always thought that was cool.
There’s a guy that goes to Los Angeles Angels games wearing “Bubble Gum Man” as his NOB (#69), and he has a big plastic tub of Bazooka gum that he distributes to kids/fans.[/quote]
Love that Bazooka guy, even if Bazooka gum is crap. He’s cool. Good arm, too. I’ve gotten many a piece of gum tossed at me, and he always hits me right on the numbers.
Cricket steals an idea from Cycling
Not sure if this has been chronicled before, but the newly formed Indian Premier League have implemented a colour-coded award scheme. Any player who takes to the field whilst the leading run scorer in the competition is entitled to wear an orange cap. Likewise the leading wicket taker can wear a link.
Check out link and link for evidence of the orange cap in action. Can’t seem to find any photos of the purple cap at the moment.
[quote comment=”272756″]My apologies, all. I’ll make sure to not spend any time with my family in the future in order to keep things like that from happening again. Yikes.[/quote]
It’s about time you got your priorities in order. For this, we thank you.
[quote comment=”272758″][quote comment=”272753″]The Astros will link.
Note that at no point in the story does Krysten Oliphant actually mention what number Craig Biggio wore.
It’s a story about a guy’s number being retired. Astros fans know the number. Not everybody does. You kind of have to include the number.[/quote]
Retry. Look in Paragraph 4. Left it up to Drayton McLain whether or not to retire the #7.[/quote]
Updated story.
In fact, it’s an almost completely re-written story.
Paul Lukas got owned over at FJM.
Dude, all your Lelands links don’t work. Check the HTML code …
The Jets have fireman Ed who leads the J-E-T-S chants. every game he wears his customized jets jersey and his fireman hat that he got from his job.