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For years there’s been a juicy uni mystery that I’ve neglected to pursue. To wit: What was the deal with the WFL’s position-based pants back in the 1970s?

In case this is new to you: The WFL briefly experimented with the having distinct pants designs for each major position category (linemen, receivers, etc.). Yes, that’s a really stupid-ass idea, but so was the entire WFL itself, so whaddaya gonna do. Anyway: Whenever this topic comes up, someone always links to the photo shown at right, which until recently was the only image of the pants that I’d seen. But then Kenn Tomasch dug up a DVD with some old WFL footage and made some screen grabs. Here’s his analysis:

I think it went like this: quarterbacks, white pants with stars; running backs, green; offensive linemen, purple; defensive linemen, blue; linebackers, red; tight ends and receivers, orange; defensive backs, yellow. I’m not sure what the kickers wore.

I don’t even know what game this video is from. It might have been a scrimmage of some sort, because the two teams (Southern California for sure, and maybe that’s Philadelphia?) didn’t go all out. Looked like they were just going through the motions. But it was televised somewhere and I have no idea where or why.

As a bonus, here’s a shot where you can see the awful outfit worn by TVS announcer Alex Hawkins.

Yowza — looks like ol’ Alex wanted to get in on the crazy pants action, no?

Anyone know what game this might have been? And does anyone know more about the WFL’s ill-advised attempt at trouser innovation? Was this idea part of the league’s first season or the second season? How long did they try it for, and why did they abandon it? If anyone knows more about the bizarre chapter in pro football history, please clue us in.

Uni Watch News Ticker: I spent the last three days road-tripping through New Jersey and Pennsylvania and haven’t yet caught up on everything, so forgive me if any of the stuff in today’s Ticker has already been discussed. ”¦ One of my stops along the way, incidentally, was the classic roadside stop Hot Dog Johnny’s (whose featured beverages are birch beer and buttermilk, don’tcha know), where I was surprised to see an old photo of the company hoops team in a display case. ”¦ Good news out of Pittsburgh, where the Pirates’ red vest’s days appear to be numbered. Details toward the bottom of this page. ”¦ Morris Levin reports that the Dodgers held an unusual white-on-white intrasquad game the other day. ”¦ The impending return of the Oregon baseball program after a nearly three-decade hiatus prompted Scott Little to send along pics of an old Oregon helmet that he has in his collection (additional pics here, here, here, and here). ”¦ Nice to see that the Mets have patterned their new stadium logo after the world’s worst pizza. ”¦ An assortment of White Sox uni promotions are listed here. ”¦ Texas A&M’s baseball team has replaced this with this (lots of additional pics here). Not even stirrups can save that jersey design. ”¦ Speaking of stirrups, check out the beauties being worn by Oklahoma State and New Mexico State (here’s another view; thanks to Brian Ray and Sam Wasson, respectively). ”¦ And according to the third item on this page, an increasing number of Pirates players are wearing and showing their stirrups (with thanks to Tom Cotter). ”¦ Still more stirrup action (reprinted from Sunday’s comments): the Great One. ”¦ U. of Hawaii has inked a big deal with Under Armour (with thanks to Joshua Huff). ”¦ Nicole Haase’s recent tale about being on the field during Super Bowl prompted Susan Freeman to recall her own experience in the Super Bowl XXXVIII pregame show. Full details here. ”¦ What does a lion’s penis have to do with uniforms? Look here (courtesy of J.R. Tracy). ”¦ Virginia Tech acknowledging the shootings at Northern Illinois by wearing an NIU logo jersey patch, as you can see in the 13th photo of this gallery. ”¦ Weird to see UGA wearing white batting helmets (as spotted by Paul Radetsky) ”¦ “South Carolina has added a new baseball jersey,” writes Chris Rodgers. “This is in addition to at least three other tops and probably five to eight total combinations.” ”¦ USF’s new football jerseys will look like this and this. ”¦ Good article here about MLB coaches wearing helmets (with thanks to Morris Levin). ”¦ Jared Wheeler, who does uni research for Mitchell & Ness, recently sent along pics of two great historical pieces he came upon. The first one is an Indianapolis Olympians short-sleeve basketball jersey (“worn by Rex Groza — Lou’s brother,” says Jared), and the other is an Episcopal Academy football jersey (additional views here, here, and here). ”¦ Underbrim update, Japanese style (with thanks to, of course, Jeremy Brahm, who says the message translates to “All-out play”). ”¦ I’m not a big college hoops fan, which gives me enough emotional breathing room to find this rather amusing. Stupid, mind you, but still amusing. … Reprinted from last night’s comments: Here’s something you don’t see very often — Manny Ramirez’s helmet all shiny and clean. … “There’s usually not that much to report on the uni front from the Iowa Girls State Basketball Tournament, but there were some odd sights during Monday’s first set of quarterfinal games,” writes Jesse Gavin. “Some very weird shorts striping for Southeast Webster Grand; a very odd protective facemask on Paige Heesch from Woden-Crystal Lake-Titonka; an odd piping pattern for Lawton-Bronson; and it looks like Springville decided to wear Oregon State’s football jerseys upside-down for their shorts.” … Looks like the ACC’s use of black Virginia Tech memorial strips is now extending to baseball caps (excellent catch by Walker Hicken)

 
  
 
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    That Basketball Player’s mask looks like the ones made for pitchers in softball so they don’t get blasted in the face. much nicer than taking a liner off the jaw, trust me, it’s happend to me.

    The other WFL team is the Philadelphia Bell. You can see the “U of P” painted on the old turf at Franklin Field. Not sure if it was an exhibition game or not, I don’t remember any other teams wearing them.

    That is the Philadelphia Bell in the WFL pics, and I believe that this was filmed at Franklin Field (U of P painted at mid-field). I know that the Bell played at JFK Stadium in their first year (since I went to a game in ’74), and King Corcoran was the QB in year 1, so I’d make the assumption that this “game” was from 1975.

    Look at the helmets on the Bell linemen – no logos on the LT & LG helmets. Also, on the Sun’s (?) defensive players, the helmet stripes are not consistent. I’d assume further that this event was for media purposes only.

    Is it possible that the different uniform pants were partially for the officials to be able to tell who was an eligible receiver?

    Also, based on those screen grabs from 1975, we really have become a fat country (myself included).

    I think that Southeast Webster-Grand design is similar to AS Monaco FC with the shirt having a diagonal division.

    link

    The difference is that the diagonal starts under the right armpit and goes downward over to the middle of the the left leg. Yes it is weird, but they also use it for their home uniforms.

    Southeast Webster-Grand

    link

    link

    Next closest thing in the Flo-Jo Pacer design
    link

    [quote comment=”230389″]Which player in the Hot Dog Johnny’s team photo was the MVP?[/quote]

    Nothing like a nice dose of racism to get the morning started….

    [quote comment=”230402″]The Pardon The Interruption guys discussed the black Oregon basketball jerseys….

    link

    It was also discussed on Mike and Mike this morning as well as best uniforms. (Although the discussion lacked a little.)

    [quote comment=”230375″]That Basketball Player’s mask looks like the ones made for pitchers in softball so they don’t get blasted in the face. much nicer than taking a liner off the jaw, trust me, it’s happend to me.[/quote]

    It’s called a link.

    K-State wore Nike SOD link last night against Texas. They had unusual striped pattern down the link . And, although I’m not a big fan of the baggy shorts of Nike’s SOD, I do feel that those unis look better than the link stripes they had been wearing.

    Black Oregon jerseys…puke

    I like the font on the USF jerseys. What will Hawaii’s new unis look like, I wonder. I like what Under Armour has done so far.

    I saw a BC baseball game on TV the other day…and the black memorial strip was on the sleeve. Seems like the location of the black strip is up to the individual school…such as it was for hoops and football.

    I was so happy with the redesign of the A&M football and hoops unis (I’m a Texas Aggie, class of ’93). Those tragic baseball jerseys, though…why?!?

    Aren’t we all filled with sort of a nervous anticipation, almost a dread, waiting to see what kind of horrific uniform combinations the University Oregon baseball team will be wearing?

    I mean, they’ll have to be more over the top than link, am I right?

    Not even wear stirrups can save that jersey design.

    I believe there’s an ‘ing’ missing here.

    Good news out of Pittsburgh, where the Pirates’ red vest’s days appear to be numbered. Details toward the bottom of this page.

    The deadline for new MLB unis is in June. In order to make a change, we have to submit designs in June to be approved during the season and (hopefully) revealed during the winter.

    I’ve also heard that there’s a two-season minimum on regular uniforms. I’m guessing this is because most front office changes occur during the off-season long after the June deadline, but that also keeps you from having to pitch thousands of unsold jerseys because of a sudden change.

    [quote comment=”230401″]Happy NHL Trade Deadline Day!!

    This is almost better than X-mas!![/quote]
    Jay Onrait’s Deadline blog on tsn.ca has minor uni content. Check out the post at 2:12am. Knowing the Leafs, they likely have a no-trade clause there, too.

    link

    I think it went like this: quarterbacks, white pants with stars; running backs, green; offensive linemen, purple; defensive linemen, blue; linebackers, red; tight ends and receivers, orange; defensive backs, yellow. I’m not sure what the kickers wore.

    I’ve got $10 on Oregon trying to out-do this monstrosity. Given the Duck’s “lead” in bball unis, I expect nothing less (and, indeed, even more garish stupidity) on the gridiron.

    I saw someone else commented on the new K-State unis last night, which I liked a little better than before as well. However, K-State’s unis weren’t the ones that caught my eyes the most. Did anyone else notice that Texas players were wearing 2 different colors of burnt orange? I’m looking for picture evidence at the moment, but it was very obvious at times that JJ Abrams was wearing a different color than were other players. I’ll keep poking around for pics.

    I don’t have any pictures of it, but on today’s Today Show, Will Ferrell and Woody Harrelson were on along with Nate Robinson for a game of two on two with Merideth Viera. The Today Show printed up “Today” jerseys for Nate and Merideth, but Merideth seemed unfamiliar with how jerseys are worn these days, as she was wearing her backwards. I don’t know if anyone else saw it, but if anyone has pictures, I think this could be a classic.

    That Oregon helmet is gorgeous.

    Hopefully, they’ll adopt the Autzen/Hayward logo and stick with a link. Beautiful, classic.

    But then again, this is Nike we’re talking about. So they’ll probably go with something… link.

    [quote comment=”230433″]I don’t have any pictures of it, but on today’s Today Show, Will Ferrell and Woody Harrelson were on along with Nate Robinson for a game of two on two with Merideth Viera. The Today Show printed up “Today” jerseys for Nate and Merideth, but Merideth seemed unfamiliar with how jerseys are worn these days, as she was wearing her backwards. I don’t know if anyone else saw it, but if anyone has pictures, I think this could be a classic.[/quote]

    Actually, she was demonstrating a surprisingly au courant knowledge of how jerseys are worn these days.

    I think it looks incredibly stupid, but kids do wear them backwards to show off the name.

    I have a problem and hopefully someone can help me solve it. I am playing in an invitational softball tournament next month and wondered if anyone knew of anywhere to get stirrups? Preferably like the amazing ones shown on the Oregon State or New Mexico State players!

    Your help is much appreciated!

    [quote comment=”230438″][quote comment=”230433″]I don’t have any pictures of it, but on today’s Today Show, Will Ferrell and Woody Harrelson were on along with Nate Robinson for a game of two on two with Merideth Viera. The Today Show printed up “Today” jerseys for Nate and Merideth, but Merideth seemed unfamiliar with how jerseys are worn these days, as she was wearing her backwards. I don’t know if anyone else saw it, but if anyone has pictures, I think this could be a classic.[/quote]

    Actually, she was demonstrating a surprisingly au courant knowledge of how jerseys are worn these days.

    I think it looks incredibly stupid, but kids do wear them backwards to show off the name.[/quote]

    Amare approves

    link

    [quote comment=”230437″]That Oregon helmet is gorgeous.

    Hopefully, they’ll adopt the Autzen/Hayward logo and stick with a link. Beautiful, classic.

    But then again, this is Nike we’re talking about. So they’ll probably go with something… link.[/quote]

    amen chase – right on BOTH counts

    [quote comment=”230445″][quote comment=”230437″]That Oregon helmet is gorgeous.

    Hopefully, they’ll adopt the Autzen/Hayward logo and stick with a link. Beautiful, classic.

    But then again, this is Nike we’re talking about. So they’ll probably go with something… link.[/quote]

    amen chase – right on BOTH counts[/quote]

    sorry, chance

    Position-based pants? A technicolor nightmare in the lo-def ’70s.

    The Citi Field logo isn’t great, but just because it’s rotated at a 45-degree angle doesn’t mean that inspires a comparison the Domino’s: ketchup on cardboard.

    [quote comment=”230408″]I was so happy with the redesign of the A&M football and hoops unis (I’m a Texas Aggie, class of ’93). Those tragic baseball jerseys, though…why?!?[/quote]

    Funny that the old Nike jerseys are the model of traditionalism and good taste (with a touch of the swoosh thrown in), while Adidas has taken pains to uglify the Aggies. Today’s score: Nike 1 Adidas 0.

    [quote comment=”230448″][quote comment=”230408″]I was so happy with the redesign of the A&M football and hoops unis (I’m a Texas Aggie, class of ’93). Those tragic baseball jerseys, though…why?!?[/quote]

    Funny that the old Nike jerseys are the model of traditionalism and good taste (with a touch of the swoosh thrown in), while Adidas has taken pains to uglify the Aggies. Today’s score: Nike 1 Adidas 0.[/quote]
    I was thinking the exact same thing.

    link…two bullets

    also, johan‘s jersey gives a good view of the FYOS patch

    despite the unnecessary black drop-shadow, my favorite met uni…crisp, clean…perfect

    [quote comment=”230424″]Good news out of Pittsburgh, where the Pirates’ red vest’s days appear to be numbered. Details toward the bottom of this page.

    The deadline for new MLB unis is in June. In order to make a change, we have to submit designs in June to be approved during the season and (hopefully) revealed during the winter.

    I’ve also heard that there’s a two-season minimum on regular uniforms. I’m guessing this is because most front office changes occur during the off-season long after the June deadline, but that also keeps you from having to pitch thousands of unsold jerseys because of a sudden change.[/quote]

    The point of the article was that the management group wants to be more traditional, and hence, doesn’t like the red jersey. I think we’ll see it less this year, if at all, followed by a change next year. Last year they wore it every Friday home game.

    They still have teh black jersey with sleaves available to them as well, and I don’t think they wore that at all last year. Prehaps we will see that again this year rather than the red vest?

    [quote comment=”230440″]I have a problem and hopefully someone can help me solve it. I am playing in an invitational softball tournament next month and wondered if anyone knew of anywhere to get stirrups? Preferably like the amazing ones shown on the Oregon State or New Mexico State players!

    Your help is much appreciated![/quote]

    Go to the middle of this page:
    link

    [quote comment=”230454″][quote comment=”230440″]I have a problem and hopefully someone can help me solve it. I am playing in an invitational softball tournament next month and wondered if anyone knew of anywhere to get stirrups? Preferably like the amazing ones shown on the Oregon State or New Mexico State players!

    Your help is much appreciated![/quote]

    Go to the middle of this page:
    link

    Thanks Paul!!!!

    Speaking of pants…

    I’m looking to buy Atlanta Braves-patterned baseball pants — you know, white with navy and red piping down the sides and around the belt loops. I found a pair on eBay, but I don’t do the whole pro-cut look. I’d prefer to find a uniform outfitter who either has the style available or could customize a pair of pro weight pants. Any leads?

    Feel free to respond personally instead of to this comments section.

    [quote comment=”230414″]link[/quote]

    Phil,

    He doesn’t have enough kids by enough different women to qualify, does he?

    [quote comment=”230414″]link[/quote]

    Phil,

    He doesn’t have enough kids by enough diefferent women to qualify, does he?

    As per the comments on the Mets’ future home having a fan-made name because of fewer seats, higher ticket, concession and parking prices:

    link

    link Scroll to “Worst Person in the World.”

    There is no joy in Mudville today.

    The mighty warriors of the Pearl River AOH fell valiantly at the hands of our foes from the Bushwood Country Club last evening thus ending our playoff run in the Orangetown Slo-Break Playoffs.
    ”
    The wheels came off when Ty Webb and Carl Spackler started raining threes on us as if “the heavy stuff” was actually falling.

    At the final handshake, Spackler even had the nerve to qoute himself: “In the words of Jean-Paul Sartre, Au Revoir Go-Phers.”

    The loss can only be attributed to one variable: My wearing of Nike Elite Oregon Ducks basketball shorts and their bad uni-karma!

    Or maybe the fact that we @&*$ the bed last night!

    Oh, I knew it was a 1975 WFL thing. I believe it was one of Chris Hemmeter’s bright ideas.

    The original photo above shows two Memphis Grizzlies, if I’m not mistaken. #8 may be third-string quarterback Lonnie Stewart (John Huarte and Danny White were the Grizzlies’ other QBs in 1975). The other guy is a running back, obviously (hey, maybe the pants had something there), and could be Willie Spencer, maybe? Spencer was actually their leading rusher in 1975, ahead of Kiick and Csonka.

    When the erstwhile Dolphins posed for link (which I’ve just noticed is an homage to link, just adding Warfield – and note how Zonk has added an additional digit to the infamous one-finger salute from the 1972 cover), they had the traditional white pants on.

    I do not believe the WFL multi-colored pants experiment made it out of the preseason.

    On Sunday, July 19, 1975, the Southern California Sun and Philadelphia Bell did play an exhibition game (the Sun won, 23-8), so it’s entirely possible that this is the game the video is from (and if I had video capture capability on this computer, I’d make you one). The regular season started a week later, and, from what I understand, so many players just refused to wear the pants that the experiment was shelved.

    I don’t know who it was, maybe Calvin Hill (?), but an NFL veteran playing out the string in the WFL supposedly said that he had spent too long in professional football and done too much to go out looking like a circus clown.

    Even though I still like the color of the Oregon unis (duh), I seem to be one of the only. SI had a link about it (under Some Serious Ugly Ducklings). I agree that Kentucky’s 1996 denim unis are worse.

    Even though I still like the color of the Oregon unis (duh), I seem to be one of the only. SI had a link about it (under Some Serious Ugly Ducklings). I agree that Kentucky’s 1996 denim unis are worse.

    Aren’t the front numbers on Czonka’s Memphis uniform are significantly smaller than Kick’s and Warfield’s?

    [quote comment=”230461″][quote comment=”230414″]link[/quote]

    Phil,

    He doesn’t have enough kids by enough diefferent women to qualify, does he?[/quote]

    nice catch doug…i didn’t know if anyone would get the ref…

    btw…based on link (as gleaned by SBC), perhaps he has no little ones a’tall

    /bend it like beckham indeed

    [quote comment=”230475″]Aren’t the front numbers on Czonka’s Memphis uniform are significantly smaller than Kick’s and Warfield’s?[/quote]

    They appear to be, don’t they?

    I have that issue, which I think has other photos in it, but it’s in storage.

    But here are two other shots, link and link, which show his numbers as normal-sized. Looks like the cover shot was taken at a different time from these (that’s the Liberty Bowl in the background on these, innit?).

    [quote comment=”230479″]Villanova wore link for the third consecutive game last night.[/quote]

    Those throwbacks didn’t work for them last night. Maybe they can wear them in the NIT……

    Those link are seriously sharp. It’s nice to see something so clean, simple and bold in an era of college basketball clown suits and SOD nightmares.

    All this time that UH has been a Nike team, I’ve felt like they should be UA. Mainly because that ‘H’ that they wear on the neckline panel, looks like the UA logo when seen on TV.

    Need a little help here. A while back, when we were all going back and forth about the new NHL jerseys as they were being unveiled…there were some readers here who ran a hockey supply/jersey retail outfit.

    My son (3 years old today) is starting with the pre-hockey program this weekend. I’ve got him everything he needs, except no one has jerseys small enough around my area (Youth-XS). So I wanted to check with the guys from here.

    Thanks
    Dan

    Speaking of college basketball…

    They have probably been wearing these for a while ( I don’t follow NCAABB too closely until the tournament), but props to Arkansas for going back to basics with link. I saw the road version against Kentucky while flipping channels Saturday and thought they looked great.

    Definitely different jersey in those other pics of Czonk. There are no sleve numbers on the cover jersey.

    [quote comment=”230494″]Need a little help here. A while back, when we were all going back and forth about the new NHL jerseys as they were being unveiled…there were some readers here who ran a hockey supply/jersey retail outfit.

    My son (3 years old today) is starting with the pre-hockey program this weekend. I’ve got him everything he needs, except no one has jerseys small enough around my area (Youth-XS). So I wanted to check with the guys from here.

    Thanks
    Dan[/quote]
    Dan,

    My 5-year old just finished his learn to skate/play program and wore a jersey about 3 sizes too big ’cause that’s all the league issues. My suggestion: get the smallest size you can find and tuck it in so he doesn’t trip and use hockey tape to wrap the sleeves at his wrists. My guy thought it was the coolest thing to get “taped up” before practice!

    [quote comment=”230498″]Definitely different jersey in those other pics of Czonk. There are no sleve numbers on the cover jersey.[/quote]

    Good catch.

    Meanwhile, Warfield and Kiick have what appear to be their “official” jerseys on. I wonder what the story is with that? Did they not have an official one for Zonk yet or what?

    [quote comment=”230405″]K-State wore Nike SOD link last night against Texas. They had unusual striped pattern down the link . And, although I’m not a big fan of the baggy shorts of Nike’s SOD, I do feel that those unis look better than the link stripes they had been wearing.[/quote]
    I agree. Personally, I think many of the SOD unis would look GREAT if the pants were so darn baggy. To me, that ruins them. Otherwise, I think many of the designs look rather sharp.

    As for K-State, I like the stripes down the back. They mimic the stripes on the football pant legs, which was also added to their football sleeves this year as you can see link on #1’s sleeve and link on #74 on the right as well as #1. It’s kind of hard to see…but it’s there.

    Has anyone noticed the link looks a whole lot like the link I know this is coming from a biased Tigers fan, but I think it is completely unfair for the Mets organization to copy this logo, seeing as Tiger Stadium has so much more history in it than Shea Stadium. Sure, Shea has hosted many big games and important events, but it was built in the 1960’s, and at that point, baseball had been played at The Corner for 50 years. And, aesthetically speaking, Shea Stadium is nothing compared to Tiger Stadium.

    There is an amazing video of the “baseball boogie” by the 1986 Dodgers on YouTube….at least they’re wearing stirrups…Enjoy

    link

    [quote comment=”230399″]I think that Southeast Webster-Grand design is similar to AS Monaco FC with the shirt having a diagonal division.

    link

    The difference is that the diagonal starts under the right armpit and goes downward over to the middle of the the left leg. Yes it is weird, but they also use it for their home uniforms.

    Southeast Webster-Grand

    link

    link

    Next closest thing in the Flo-Jo Pacer design
    link[/quote]

    Well, actually, DeLong made 45-degree diagonal shorts in the 1990s. Amongst those who wore the were the Delaware softball team and the Rider men’s basketball team. Another set of weird-ass shorts.

    We have pictures of the position pants in the WFL, and we have pictures of various team jerseys. There are places online (link) where we can see depictions of team helmets. However, there’s one WFL-specific item I have yet to see in pictorial form: the Dickerrod!

    [quote comment=”230438″][quote comment=”230433″]I don’t have any pictures of it, but on today’s Today Show, Will Ferrell and Woody Harrelson were on along with Nate Robinson for a game of two on two with Merideth Viera. The Today Show printed up “Today” jerseys for Nate and Merideth, but Merideth seemed unfamiliar with how jerseys are worn these days, as she was wearing her backwards. I don’t know if anyone else saw it, but if anyone has pictures, I think this could be a classic.[/quote]

    Actually, she was demonstrating a surprisingly au courant knowledge of how jerseys are worn these days.

    I think it looks incredibly stupid, but kids do wear them backwards to show off the name.[/quote]

    Well, in the days when Topps was barred from showing team logos on NBA cards, basketball card photos frequently had players wearing their jerseys backwards.

    [quote comment=”230512″]Has anyone noticed the link looks a whole lot like the link I know this is coming from a biased Tigers fan, but I think it is completely unfair for the Mets organization to copy this logo, seeing as Tiger Stadium has so much more history in it than Shea Stadium. Sure, Shea has hosted many big games and important events, but it was built in the 1960’s, and at that point, baseball had been played at The Corner for 50 years. And, aesthetically speaking, Shea Stadium is nothing compared to Tiger Stadium.[/quote]

    I think you’re reading too much into it.

    There are only so many ways to do this, and it’s not sacrilege. It’s a patch. It’s not an affront to the Tigers.

    BTW, the link looks kinda like that, too. The horror.

    [quote comment=”230460″][quote comment=”230414″]link[/quote]

    “Phil,

    “He doesn’t have enough kids by enough different women to qualify, does he?”[/quote]

    link

    BAH-ZING!

    [quote comment=”230512″]Has anyone noticed the link looks a whole lot like the link I know this is coming from a biased Tigers fan, but I think it is completely unfair for the Mets organization to copy this logo, seeing as Tiger Stadium has so much more history in it than Shea Stadium. Sure, Shea has hosted many big games and important events, but it was built in the 1960’s, and at that point, baseball had been played at The Corner for 50 years. And, aesthetically speaking, Shea Stadium is nothing compared to Tiger Stadium.[/quote]

    This is sort of off the uni-patch subject, but since Tiger Stadium is on the link, why is it going to be torn down? I thought the NRHP was intended to prevent just those sort of things happening.

    [quote comment=”230520″]Lemme try that Gothamist link one more time:

    link

    Hope this one works.[/quote]

    james…

    was your point to prove that you didn’t coin the phrase “shitty field”? since you obviously have such a hard on for it? so you post 2 year old articles from people who are obviously NOT mets fans to begin with (i’d say they might be jealous philly fans, but, then, that would be giving them far too much credit)

    im simply asking you, for the last time, to stop referring to the mets new cathedral by that monicker

    thank you

    [quote comment=”230494″]Need a little help here. A while back, when we were all going back and forth about the new NHL jerseys as they were being unveiled…there were some readers here who ran a hockey supply/jersey retail outfit.

    My son (3 years old today) is starting with the pre-hockey program this weekend. I’ve got him everything he needs, except no one has jerseys small enough around my area (Youth-XS). So I wanted to check with the guys from here.

    Thanks
    Dan[/quote]

    Try link, out of Toronto.

    [quote comment=”230516″]We have pictures of the position pants in the WFL, and we have pictures of various team jerseys. There are places online (link) where we can see depictions of team helmets. However, there’s one WFL-specific item I have yet to see in pictorial form: the Dickerrod![/quote]
    Not the greatest photo, but there’s one on the right side of link from the same gallery that produced the lead photo for today.

    [quote comment=”230469″]I live 10 minutes from Hot Dog Johnnys. Best food in the state.[/quote]

    Those directions on the website from Trenton are enough to make somebody lose their mind if they aren’t familiar with the nuances of the NJ highway system.

    “Directions from Trenton, NJ:
    Take 295 North to I-95 South To Route 31 North (exit 4). Take 31 North to Junction 46, make a left at the light at 31 and 46 and Hot Dog Johnny’s will be on left hand side 1/4 mile down. ”

    North to South to North again. Whaaaat?!!?

    [quote comment=”230519″][quote comment=”230512″]Has anyone noticed the link looks a whole lot like the link I know this is coming from a biased Tigers fan, but I think it is completely unfair for the Mets organization to copy this logo, seeing as Tiger Stadium has so much more history in it than Shea Stadium. Sure, Shea has hosted many big games and important events, but it was built in the 1960’s, and at that point, baseball had been played at The Corner for 50 years. And, aesthetically speaking, Shea Stadium is nothing compared to Tiger Stadium.[/quote]

    I think you’re reading too much into it.

    There are only so many ways to do this, and it’s not sacrilege. It’s a patch. It’s not an affront to the Tigers.

    BTW, the link looks kinda like that, too. The horror.[/quote]

    gotta agree with kenn here (btw, kenn, great shit on the WFL in the lead today)

    i doubt the mets were copying the tiger patch (although…i smell a lawsuit somewhere)…but yes, there is a resemblance…i also doubt anyone would ever confuse the magnificent and wonderful tiger stadium with the cookiecutter by la guardia

    we can’t get 2008 over with fast enough, i say, although i hope shea is hosting meaningful games into late october

    [quote comment=”230528″][quote comment=”230494″]Need a little help here. A while back, when we were all going back and forth about the new NHL jerseys as they were being unveiled…there were some readers here who ran a hockey supply/jersey retail outfit.

    My son (3 years old today) is starting with the pre-hockey program this weekend. I’ve got him everything he needs, except no one has jerseys small enough around my area (Youth-XS). So I wanted to check with the guys from here.

    Thanks
    Dan[/quote]

    Try link, out of Toronto.[/quote]

    I meant Winnipeg!

    [quote comment=”230440″]I have a problem and hopefully someone can help me solve it. I am playing in an invitational softball tournament next month and wondered if anyone knew of anywhere to get stirrups? Preferably like the amazing ones shown on the Oregon State or New Mexico State players!

    Your help is much appreciated![/quote]

    check link

    [quote comment=”230527″]“Was your point to prove that you didn’t coin the phrase ‘Shitty Field’?”[/quote]

    You wanted the proof in the pudding in yesterday’s thread, didn’t you? ‘Twas not I who started the “Shitty Field” comments. Three comments on that Gothamist.com groundbreaking item pointed out that name, likely by those Mets fans angered by overpriced tickets, parking, and concessions who stated the name and the facts that the Mets “sold out” to citicorp for a smaller capacity ballpark, further raising their ire. Yankees fan Keith Olbermann picked it up that night for his “Worst Person in the World” segment on MSNBC’s “Countdown” (a link provided to you in message #44; scroll down to that segement following the shameless book plug.)

    [quote comment=”230499″][quote comment=”230494″]Need a little help here. A while back, when we were all going back and forth about the new NHL jerseys as they were being unveiled…there were some readers here who ran a hockey supply/jersey retail outfit.

    My son (3 years old today) is starting with the pre-hockey program this weekend. I’ve got him everything he needs, except no one has jerseys small enough around my area (Youth-XS). So I wanted to check with the guys from here.

    Thanks
    Dan[/quote]
    Dan,

    My 5-year old just finished his learn to skate/play program and wore a jersey about 3 sizes too big ’cause that’s all the league issues. My suggestion: get the smallest size you can find and tuck it in so he doesn’t trip and use hockey tape to wrap the sleeves at his wrists. My guy thought it was the coolest thing to get “taped up” before practice![/quote]

    Man…I don’t know. Tuck in, and he’ll look like Jagr. Or the Sasoon Rangers! lol.

    Thanks for the tip. I have a small, but it’s so big on him…so I was still looking for XS.

    [quote comment=”230497″]Speaking of college basketball…

    They have probably been wearing these for a while ( I don’t follow NCAABB too closely until the tournament), but props to Arkansas for going back to basics with link. I saw the road version against Kentucky while flipping channels Saturday and thought they looked great.[/quote]

    On a similar note, Herb Sendak, the current coach at Arizona State, seems to be a fan of the minimalist style. When he was coach at NC State, his teams wore very basic Adidas designed unis.

    Since arriving in Tempe, the Sun Devils have gone from link to link.

    I’m all for the “Penn State” traditional style however, if the threads lack pizazz, or are done with the sentiment of Michigan State’s football unis a few years ago,that it’s work wear, I have no love for them.

    [quote comment=”230506″][quote comment=”230405″]K-State wore Nike SOD link last night against Texas. They had unusual striped pattern down the link . And, although I’m not a big fan of the baggy shorts of Nike’s SOD, I do feel that those unis look better than the link stripes they had been wearing.[/quote]
    I agree. Personally, I think many of the SOD unis would look GREAT if the pants weren’t so darn baggy. To me, that ruins them. Otherwise, I think many of the designs look rather sharp.[/quote]

    I completely agree.

    [quote comment=”230512″]Has anyone noticed the link looks a whole lot like the link I know this is coming from a biased Tigers fan, but I think it is completely unfair for the Mets organization to copy this logo, seeing as Tiger Stadium has so much more history in it than Shea Stadium. Sure, Shea has hosted many big games and important events, but it was built in the 1960’s, and at that point, baseball had been played at The Corner for 50 years. And, aesthetically speaking, Shea Stadium is nothing compared to Tiger Stadium.[/quote]

    Similar, maybe.

    But I don’t think it’s so close as to warrant either “copy” or “unfair.”

    [quote comment=”230537″]Three comments on that Gothamist.com groundbreaking item pointed out that name, likely by those Mets fans angered by overpriced tickets, parking, and concessions who stated the name and the facts that the Mets “sold out” to citicorp for a smaller capacity ballpark, further raising their ire. Yankees fan Keith Olbermann picked it up [/quote]

    is it possible that maybe those comments were made by yankmee fans james?

    i still have yet to hear one REAL met fan begrudge the beautiful park that, btw, is NOT TAXPAYER FUNDED, unlike some parks in the great state of pennsylvania

    if there are any complaints, which of course there will be, it’s that shea is/was bigger…once fans expernence the citi, they will not be complaining about the approximately 10,000 less seats…as far as “overpriced tickets and concessions”… have you been to a hockey/baskeball/football game recently? baseball is a bargain in comparison (maybe not on the food and drink, but the only REAL ballpark food is hotdogs & peanuts anyway…not this sushi and new-age shit they sell everywhere now–who the fck eats sushi at a ball game????)

    you have a beautiful park in CBB james…enjoy it and don’t ruin the citi because of whatever misguided grudge you may have against the new york metropolitan baseball club or mets fans

    James, Phil: You’ve both done a fine job of demonstrating your inability to let someone else have the last word, among other dubious skills. No more, please. Let’s move on.

    [quote comment=”230529″][quote comment=”230516″]We have pictures of the position pants in the WFL, and we have pictures of various team jerseys. There are places online (link) where we can see depictions of team helmets. However, there’s one WFL-specific item I have yet to see in pictorial form: the Dickerrod![/quote]
    Not the greatest photo, but there’s one on the right side of link from the same gallery that produced the lead photo for today.[/quote]
    Sorry for the snafu, try link

    [quote comment=”230539″]
    My 5-year old just finished his learn to skate/play program and wore a jersey about 3 sizes too big ’cause that’s all the league issues. My suggestion: get the smallest size you can find and tuck it in so he doesn’t trip and use hockey tape to wrap the sleeves at his wrists. My guy thought it was the coolest thing to get “taped up” before practice![/quote]

    Man…I don’t know. Tuck in, and he’ll look like Jagr. Or the Sasoon Rangers! lol.

    Thanks for the tip. I have a small, but it’s so big on him…so I was still looking for XS.[/quote]

    Aah, but if you only tuck ONE side, he’ll look like link!!

    [quote comment=”230450″]link…two bullets

    also, johan‘s jersey gives a good view of the FYOS patch

    despite the unnecessary black drop-shadow, my favorite met uni…crisp, clean…perfect[/quote]

    Is there less black in that drop shadow these days, or do my eyes deceive me?

    [quote comment=”230506″][quote comment=”230405″]K-State wore Nike SOD link last night against Texas. They had unusual striped pattern down the link . And, although I’m not a big fan of the baggy shorts of Nike’s SOD, I do feel that those unis look better than the link stripes they had been wearing.[/quote]
    I agree. Personally, I think many of the SOD unis would look GREAT if the pants were so darn baggy. To me, that ruins them. Otherwise, I think many of the designs look rather sharp.

    As for K-State, I like the stripes down the back. They mimic the stripes on the football pant legs, which was also added to their football sleeves this year as you can see link on #1’s sleeve and link on #74 on the right as well as #1. It’s kind of hard to see…but it’s there.[/quote]

    I don’t mind the tiger stripes at all, I quite like that sort of design. But for me, the shoulder design kills it.

    [quote comment=”230553″][quote comment=”230450″]link…two bullets

    also, johan‘s jersey gives a good view of the FYOS patch

    despite the unnecessary black drop-shadow, my favorite met uni…crisp, clean…perfect[/quote]

    Is there less black in that drop shadow these days, or do my eyes deceive me?[/quote]

    i don’t THINK it’s any less, but it’s certainly the best of link

    if they would just go back to the “Mets” el duque is wearing in the throwback, on top of the uni johan and pedro are sporting…all would be just great

    don’t get me completely wrong, i still like the pinstripes, but i prefer the pure white one with blue cap best

    [quote comment=”230556″][quote comment=”230553″][quote comment=”230450″]link…two bullets

    also, johan‘s jersey gives a good view of the FYOS patch

    despite the unnecessary black drop-shadow, my favorite met uni…crisp, clean…perfect[/quote]

    Is there less black in that drop shadow these days, or do my eyes deceive me?[/quote]

    i don’t THINK it’s any less, but it’s certainly the best of link

    if they would just go back to the “Mets” el duque is wearing in the throwback, on top of the uni johan and pedro are sporting…all would be just great

    don’t get me completely wrong, i still like the pinstripes, but i prefer the pure white one with blue cap best[/quote]
    AMEN, brother! Snow whites with the blue hat!
    Can we get a “Ditch the Drop-shadow” campaign going?

    [quote comment=”230433″]I don’t have any pictures of it, but on today’s Today Show, Will Ferrell and Woody Harrelson were on along with Nate Robinson for a game of two on two with Merideth Viera. The Today Show printed up “Today” jerseys for Nate and Merideth, but Merideth seemed unfamiliar with how jerseys are worn these days, as she was wearing her backwards. I don’t know if anyone else saw it, but if anyone has pictures, I think this could be a classic.[/quote]

    Interesting tidbit. The son of Mike Saunders, the former head trainer of the Knicks, is one of my students this year! He loves Michael Jordan and usually wears one of his brand of shoes to school every day. For the first time all year, he didn’t wear Jordans to school a few weeks ago, I asked him why.

    He told me that his current Jordans were “beat” so last year his dad had brought home some shoes from the Equipment room in the son’s size, he decided to finally wear them until the Jordan XX3’s came out, which was about two weeks time. He wore those Monday, while complaining about both the ASG and Oregon jerseys. I think he “gets it”!

    I asked him whose Air Force 90’s he was wearing, and he simply said, I think they were Nate’s!

    Take a look:
    link
    link
    link

    [quote comment=”230557″]so who wins PL,
    yoccos vs. hot dog johnnys?[/quote]

    Yocco’s wins that round, but Jimmy John’s (West Chester, PA) and Charlie’s Pool Room (Alpha, NJ) beat both of them.

    [quote comment=”230556″][quote comment=”230553″][quote comment=”230450″]link…two bullets

    also, johan‘s jersey gives a good view of the FYOS patch

    despite the unnecessary black drop-shadow, my favorite met uni…crisp, clean…perfect[/quote]

    Is there less black in that drop shadow these days, or do my eyes deceive me?[/quote]

    i don’t THINK it’s any less, but it’s certainly the best of link

    if they would just go back to the “Mets” el duque is wearing in the throwback, on top of the uni johan and pedro are sporting…all would be just great

    don’t get me completely wrong, i still like the pinstripes, but i prefer the pure white one with blue cap best[/quote]
    At the very least, can we have our beloved Mets outfitted like link?

    [quote comment=”230559″]The son of Mike Saunders, the former head trainer of the Knicks, is one of my students this year!…
    He told me that his current Jordans were “beat” so last year his dad had brought home some shoes from the Equipment room in the son’s size, he decided to finally wear them until the Jordan XX3’s came out, which was about two weeks time. [/quote]

    guess thats why he’s the former trainer…

    I love Hot Dog Johnny’s, but the buttermilk sucks. I tried it once and almost threw up.

    At least the birch beer is great, and so are the hot dogs.

    [quote comment=”230558″]AMEN, brother! Snow whites with the blue hat!
    Can we get a “Ditch the Drop-shadow” campaign going?[/quote]

    actually, its a cap

    but, as long as we’re talkin’ about a “ditch” anything, lets keep the effort focused on the black

    in fact, i for one would go all out for an orange alternate (although, god forbid NOT the one from spring training a few years ago, which is pictured in the montage i posted) to REPLACE the black…i never liked the royal blue alternate jersey with white “Mets” lettering outlined in orange which they only used in 1982 as an alternate, but if they HAVE to have a colored alt, let it be orange…and only worn on sunday-day games at home

    [quote comment=”230554″][quote comment=”230506″][quote comment=”230405″]K-State wore Nike SOD link last night against Texas. They had unusual striped pattern down the link . And, although I’m not a big fan of the baggy shorts of Nike’s SOD, I do feel that those unis look better than the link stripes they had been wearing.[/quote]
    I agree. Personally, I think many of the SOD unis would look GREAT if the pants were so darn baggy. To me, that ruins them. Otherwise, I think many of the designs look rather sharp.

    As for K-State, I like the stripes down the back. They mimic the stripes on the football pant legs, which was also added to their football sleeves this year as you can see link on #1’s sleeve and link on #74 on the right as well as #1. It’s kind of hard to see…but it’s there.[/quote]

    I don’t mind the tiger stripes at all, I quite like that sort of design. But for me, the shoulder design kills it.[/quote]
    If they were the “Tigers”, then maybe the tiger stripes would work. To me, it was an enormously horrible stretch for Nike to implement them into the unis.

    [quote comment=”230561″][quote comment=”230557″]so who wins PL,
    yoccos vs. hot dog johnnys?[/quote]

    Yocco’s wins that round, but Jimmy John’s (West Chester, PA) and Charlie’s Pool Room (Alpha, NJ) beat both of them.[/quote]

    wow! really?
    as a food writer, youve done your research, but man, whenever im on the road, and i see a hot dog dive, i’ll stop and nothing’s beat yocco’s yet.

    [quote comment=”230564″][quote comment=”230556″][quote comment=”230553″][quote comment=”230450″]link…two bullets

    also, johan‘s jersey gives a good view of the FYOS patch

    despite the unnecessary black drop-shadow, my favorite met uni…crisp, clean…perfect[/quote]

    Is there less black in that drop shadow these days, or do my eyes deceive me?[/quote]

    i don’t THINK it’s any less, but it’s certainly the best of link

    if they would just go back to the “Mets” el duque is wearing in the throwback, on top of the uni johan and pedro are sporting…all would be just great

    don’t get me completely wrong, i still like the pinstripes, but i prefer the pure white one with blue cap best[/quote]
    At the very least, can we have our beloved Mets outfitted like link?[/quote]

    This is by far link.

    [quote comment=”230567″][quote comment=”230558″]AMEN, brother! Snow whites with the blue hat!
    Can we get a “Ditch the Drop-shadow” campaign going?[/quote]

    actually, its a cap

    but, as long as we’re talkin’ about a “ditch” anything, lets keep the effort focused on the black

    in fact, i for one would go all out for an orange alternate (although, god forbid NOT the one from spring training a few years ago, which is pictured in the montage i posted) to REPLACE the black…i never liked the royal blue alternate jersey with white “Mets” lettering outlined in orange which they only used in 1982 as an alternate, but if they HAVE to have a colored alt, let it be orange…and only worn on sunday-day games at home[/quote]
    according to ditchtheblack.com (now not found?) the drop shadow was included in ditching ALL things black in the Mets unis.

    sorry about the continuing linkage…

    Re: Elway–rumor has it around here in Denver that he used to fire up a Marlboro every once in a while. Don’t know if he does now, considering he doesn’t have to pull off any fourth-quarter comeback nowadays. Anyway, it looks like more of a popsicle stick in the TMZ picture, which may explain the context of the picture.

    im simply asking you, for the last time, to stop referring to the mets new cathedral by that monicker

    thank you[/quote]

    I have never called the Mets park “Shitty Field” but seeing somebody refer to an unbuilt baseball stadium as a “cathedral” makes me want to start.

    [quote comment=”230572″]This is by far link.[/quote]

    really marty? i figured FOR SURE you’d have preferred link

    the pullover, doubleknit…i guess there’s not enough orange and blue striping on the sleeve eh? ;)

    [quote comment=”230561″][quote comment=”230557″]so who wins PL,
    yoccos vs. hot dog johnnys?[/quote]

    Yocco’s wins that round, but Jimmy John’s (West Chester, PA) and Charlie’s Pool Room (Alpha, NJ) beat both of them.[/quote]

    I can’t believe you’ve had Yocco’s! That’s awesome, Paul. I’d have lunch there every Saturday when I was a kid… still love it.

    [quote comment=”230581″]im simply asking you, for the last time, to stop referring to the mets new cathedral by that monicker

    thank you[/quote]

    I have never called the Mets park “Shitty Field” but seeing somebody refer to an unbuilt baseball stadium as a “cathedral” makes me want to start.[/quote]

    I think it’s fair to say that I’m at least as big a Mets fan as anyone who reads this board. And I can tell you that I don’t care one little bit what our new field is called unless it’s called “Shea” — all other names (Citi, Shitty, Itty-Bitty, etc.) are essentially the same to me.

    Next person who keeps this idiotic “debate” going gets blocked from the site. Simple as that.

    [quote comment=”230582″][quote comment=”230572″]This is by far link.[/quote]

    really marty? i figured FOR SURE you’d have preferred link

    the pullover, doubleknit…i guess there’s not enough orange and blue striping on the sleeve eh? ;)[/quote]

    Not a big fan of the pullovers. Although They wore pullovers in ’86

    [quote comment=”230570″][quote comment=”230561″][quote comment=”230557″]so who wins PL,
    yoccos vs. hot dog johnnys?[/quote]

    Yocco’s wins that round, but Jimmy John’s (West Chester, PA) and Charlie’s Pool Room (Alpha, NJ) beat both of them.[/quote]

    wow! really?
    as a food writer, youve done your research, but man, whenever im on the road, and i see a hot dog dive, i’ll stop and nothing’s beat yocco’s yet.[/quote]

    I’m no food writer, but I can vouch for the excellence of Jimmy John’s. Used to live nearby. No relation to the Illinois-based link, by the way.

    Now to make this post uni-relevant: A uniform number change is in the offing for link, as 19 is retired for the late link.

    [quote comment=”230585″][quote comment=”230561″][quote comment=”230557″]so who wins PL,
    yoccos vs. hot dog johnnys?[/quote]

    Yocco’s wins that round, but Jimmy John’s (West Chester, PA) and Charlie’s Pool Room (Alpha, NJ) beat both of them.[/quote]

    I can’t believe you’ve had Yocco’s! That’s awesome, Paul. I’d have lunch there every Saturday when I was a kid… still love it.[/quote]
    Paul,

    You ever have a Maxwell St. hotdog in Chicago? Those things are amazing.

    Quick story about Maxwell St. Before the Univeristy of Illinois of Chicago bought the are up for re-development, I went to work with my dad (A Chicago fireman)when I was probably 10 at the time and we stopped by Maxwell St. on a Saturday. Maxwell St. is where the Blues Brothers went where people were dancing in the streeets at the street market. It was really like that minus the dance numbers. We’re sitting on the fire truck eatcing our dogs and I say to my dad, “Dad, look at the size of that cat.” This thing had to be a good 20 lbs. My dad replies, “That’s no cat, there is no hair on the tail – that’s a rat.”

    At that we descided to move down the street to finish our lunch.

    [quote comment=”230581″]im simply asking you, for the last time, to stop referring to the mets new cathedral by that monicker

    thank you[/quote]

    I have never called the Mets park “Shitty Field” but seeing somebody refer to an unbuilt baseball stadium as a “cathedral” makes me want to start.[/quote]
    Oh, ye of little faith: link

    [quote comment=”230570″][quote comment=”230561″][quote comment=”230557″]so who wins PL,
    yoccos vs. hot dog johnnys?[/quote]

    Yocco’s wins that round, but Jimmy John’s (West Chester, PA) and Charlie’s Pool Room (Alpha, NJ) beat both of them.[/quote]

    wow! really?
    as a food writer, youve done your research, but man, whenever im on the road, and i see a hot dog dive, i’ll stop and nothing’s beat yocco’s yet.[/quote]

    I know throwing a Chicago-dog into the mix is like comparing apples to squid, but can’t we get a little Portillo’s love here? (a place that, by the way, has some of the best “fast food chain” uniforms out there – classic, simple, and the same as they were 20 years ago)

    [quote comment=”230561″][quote comment=”230557″]so who wins PL,
    yoccos vs. hot dog johnnys?[/quote]

    Yocco’s wins that round, but Jimmy John’s (West Chester, PA) and Charlie’s Pool Room (Alpha, NJ) beat both of them.[/quote]

    Paul, I agree, JJ’s is the best place around.

    [quote comment=”230594″][quote comment=”230581″]im simply asking you, for the last time, to stop referring to the mets new cathedral by that monicker

    thank you[/quote]

    I have never called the Mets park “Shitty Field” but seeing somebody refer to an unbuilt baseball stadium as a “cathedral” makes me want to start.[/quote]
    Oh, ye of little faith: link[/quote]

    Point of order – my comment began with the “Oh, ye of little faith” part

    [quote comment=”230565″][quote comment=”230559″]The son of Mike Saunders, the former head trainer of the Knicks, is one of my students this year!…
    He told me that his current Jordans were “beat” so last year his dad had brought home some shoes from the Equipment room in the son’s size, he decided to finally wear them until the Jordan XX3’s came out, which was about two weeks time. [/quote]

    guess thats why he’s the former trainer…[/quote]

    As to the reason for that, I do not know! The kid’s shoes, Robinson’s or not, were cool. His XXIII’s are incredible though!

    The autographed game-worn jersey collection that this kid has in pretty cool. Since he’s in my design class, we use alot of them for debate, as well as some UW topics!

    [quote comment=”230590″]Loser in a Lemieux jersey (and one black sock and one yellow sock) rocking out to Cotton Eye Joe:

    link

    That sweater’s a little snug, eh?

    [quote comment=”230597″][quote comment=”230561″][quote comment=”230557″]so who wins PL,
    yoccos vs. hot dog johnnys?[/quote]

    Yocco’s wins that round, but Jimmy John’s (West Chester, PA) and Charlie’s Pool Room (Alpha, NJ) beat both of them.[/quote]

    Paul, I agree, JJ’s is the best place around.[/quote]

    On Route 17 South near Lodi, New Jersey there is a hot dog place called Fat Mike’s that was great, I don’t know if it’s still there.

    It was very close to Satin Dolls, better known as Bada Bing on the Sopranos and Fiesta, which is one of the venues where Beefsteak dinners like Paul wrote about in the Times are held.

    To make this Uni-Worthy…My father on occasion would hit a grand slam and score Nets luxury box tickets through his job. Probably four times, I got to see MJ play down there at Brendan Byrne.
    Each time that the Nets scored 100 or more points, you could take your ticket stub to the White Castle near Fiesta on Route 17 and receive a free hamburger or sack of them. I really don’t know, cuz I went home hungry after EVERY game!

    The point of the article was that the management group wants to be more traditional, and hence, doesn’t like the red jersey. I think we’ll see it less this year, if at all, followed by a change next year. Last year they wore it every Friday home game.

    They still have teh black jersey with sleaves available to them as well, and I don’t think they wore that at all last year. Prehaps we will see that again this year rather than the red vest?

    Dejan said the red jerseys “will remain for another year … and probably not more.” They will still show up throughout this season, probably for the same Friday night games (13 total).

    (FYI: The red we smeared on everything last year? Was a McClatchy thing. We’ve stopped using red as a primary color on just about everything and are sticking to good ole black & gold.)

    The black full-sleeved jerseys are completely retired and are not currently MLB-approved.

    It’s very similar to what happened with the Reds last year. They got new jerseys last year because they were too late to get a new style approved for ’06 since they had just taken over at the time.

    [quote comment=”230598″]Point of order – my comment began with the “Oh, ye of little faith” part[/quote]

    link

    read paul’s admonition STAT!

    [quote comment=”230595″][quote comment=”230570″][quote comment=”230561″][quote comment=”230557″]so who wins PL,
    yoccos vs. hot dog johnnys?[/quote]

    Yocco’s wins that round, but Jimmy John’s (West Chester, PA) and Charlie’s Pool Room (Alpha, NJ) beat both of them.[/quote]

    wow! really?
    as a food writer, youve done your research, but man, whenever im on the road, and i see a hot dog dive, i’ll stop and nothing’s beat yocco’s yet.[/quote]

    I know throwing a Chicago-dog into the mix is like comparing apples to squid, but can’t we get a little Portillo’s love here? (a place that, by the way, has some of the best “fast food chain” uniforms out there – classic, simple, and the same as they were 20 years ago)[/quote]

    Portillo’s is overated. They are not even in the top ten places to eat a hot dog in Chicago.

    [quote]To make this Uni-Worthy…My father on occasion would hit a grand slam and score Nets luxury box tickets through his job. Probably four times, I got to see MJ play down there at Brendan Byrne.
    Each time that the Nets scored 100 or more points, you could take your ticket stub to the White Castle near Fiesta on Route 17 and receive a free hamburger or sack of them. I really don’t know, cuz I went home hungry after EVERY game![/quote]

    how was that uni-worthy again?

    [quote comment=”230609″][quote comment=”230595″][quote comment=”230570″][quote comment=”230561″][quote comment=”230557″]so who wins PL,
    yoccos vs. hot dog johnnys?[/quote]

    Yocco’s wins that round, but Jimmy John’s (West Chester, PA) and Charlie’s Pool Room (Alpha, NJ) beat both of them.[/quote]

    wow! really?
    as a food writer, youve done your research, but man, whenever im on the road, and i see a hot dog dive, i’ll stop and nothing’s beat yocco’s yet.[/quote]

    I know throwing a Chicago-dog into the mix is like comparing apples to squid, but can’t we get a little Portillo’s love here? (a place that, by the way, has some of the best “fast food chain” uniforms out there – classic, simple, and the same as they were 20 years ago)[/quote]

    Portillo’s is overated. They are not even in the top ten places to eat a hot dog in Chicago.[/quote]
    Agreed. They have better ribs than they do dogs. They made the mortal mistake of getting too big for their briches, sacrificing taste for franchising.

    Ah, how conversation strays sometimes.

    I think the WFL pic of Alex Hawkins is from the 1974 World Bowl (maybe the unis were being shown off at halftime, or that was from another game?).

    link

    The beauty queen there is Miss Florida, Delta Burke.

    Portillo’s is overated. They are not even in the top ten places to eat a hot dog in Chicago.[/quote]
    Agreed. They have better ribs than they do dogs. They made the mortal mistake of getting too big for their briches, sacrificing taste for franchising.

    Ah, how conversation strays sometimes.[/quote]

    Well… it can always go full link.

    [quote comment=”230604″]The point of the article was that the management group wants to be more traditional, and hence, doesn’t like the red jersey. I think we’ll see it less this year, if at all, followed by a change next year. Last year they wore it every Friday home game.

    They still have teh black jersey with sleaves available to them as well, and I don’t think they wore that at all last year. Prehaps we will see that again this year rather than the red vest?

    Dejan said the red jerseys “will remain for another year … and probably not more.” They will still show up throughout this season, probably for the same Friday night games (13 total).

    (FYI: The red we smeared on everything last year? Was a McClatchy thing. We’ve stopped using red as a primary color on just about everything and are sticking to good ole black & gold.)

    The black full-sleeved jerseys are completely retired and are not currently MLB-approved.

    It’s very similar to what happened with the Reds last year. They got new jerseys last year because they were too late to get a new style approved for ’06 since they had just taken over at the time.[/quote]

    They are still selling the black jersey as an link;
    I guess that doesn’t mean they’ll be worn, only that you can still buy an authentic one.

    I never hated the idea of using red, but I still have not seen them do it in a way I liked. The red and yellow (sorry gold) simply clash too hard. I kind liked the black jersey though; I think it came the closet to using red well. I picked up a game used one of those at Pirate Fest for $25. If they used them same font as vests on that jersey I think it would have been a winner.

    [quote comment=”230613″]I think the WFL pic of Alex Hawkins is from the 1974 World Bowl (maybe the unis were being shown off at halftime, or that was from another game?).

    link

    The beauty queen there is Miss Florida, Delta Burke.[/quote]

    How about those blue & gold referee uniforms, with the gold caps!? The ’70’s. Wow.

    [quote comment=”230617″][quote comment=”230604″]The point of the article was that the management group wants to be more traditional, and hence, doesn’t like the red jersey. I think we’ll see it less this year, if at all, followed by a change next year. Last year they wore it every Friday home game.

    They still have teh black jersey with sleaves available to them as well, and I don’t think they wore that at all last year. Prehaps we will see that again this year rather than the red vest?

    Dejan said the red jerseys “will remain for another year … and probably not more.” They will still show up throughout this season, probably for the same Friday night games (13 total).

    (FYI: The red we smeared on everything last year? Was a McClatchy thing. We’ve stopped using red as a primary color on just about everything and are sticking to good ole black & gold.)

    The black full-sleeved jerseys are completely retired and are not currently MLB-approved.

    It’s very similar to what happened with the Reds last year. They got new jerseys last year because they were too late to get a new style approved for ’06 since they had just taken over at the time.[/quote]

    They are still selling the black jersey as an link;
    I guess that doesn’t mean they’ll be worn, only that you can still buy an authentic one.

    I never hated the idea of using red, but I still have not seen them do it in a way I liked. The red and yellow (sorry gold) simply clash too hard. I kind liked the black jersey though; I think it came the closet to using red well. I picked up a game used one of those at Pirate Fest for $25. If they used them same font as vests on that jersey I think it would have been a winner.[/quote]

    You know, now that I think about it, they hardly ever wore the Red Vests (only about 8% of the time), but it seemed like so much more becasue I always watch the Pirate game on Friday nights, where I miss most of the weekday day games.

    [quote comment=”230613″]I think the WFL pic of Alex Hawkins is from the 1974 World Bowl (maybe the unis were being shown off at halftime, or that was from another game?).

    link

    The beauty queen there is Miss Florida, Delta Burke.[/quote]

    The officials shirts have (gulp) blue stripes outlined in gold???? Oh my God!!

    [quote comment=”230492″]’Nova could do without that stupid Big East logo on the collar. NOB is fine but that thing just ruins the whole timelessly-sharp look.[/quote]

    NOBs are bad enough, but the Big East logo makes things worse. [BTW just what is the point of a conference patch? Perhaps to let the players, coaches, and fans know their team’s affiliation? ;)]

    hey minna

    well…it looks like new york and minnesota finally completed the johan trade today, with this guy being sent to minnesota as the link

    [quote comment=”230611″][quote]To make this Uni-Worthy…My father on occasion would hit a grand slam and score Nets luxury box tickets through his job. Probably four times, I got to see MJ play down there at Brendan Byrne.
    Each time that the Nets scored 100 or more points, you could take your ticket stub to the White Castle near Fiesta on Route 17 and receive a free hamburger or sack of them. I really don’t know, cuz I went home hungry after EVERY game![/quote]

    how was that uni-worthy again?[/quote]

    The Nets wore Nets jerseys and the Bulls wore Bulls jerseys in those 4 games. [sarcasm]

    Hossa must be happy he doesn’t have to wear the ugliest uniform in the NHL. Sorry Colby, Eric, and Espo.

    Stopped by the Tigers spring opener today against Florida Southern College. Andy Van Slyke and Gene Lamont were both wearing flapless helmets down the baselines.

    Stopped by the Tigers spring opener today against Florida Southern College. Andy Van Slyke and Gene Lamont were both wearing flapless helmets down the baselines.

    link
    link

    That is one of the many jersey options for Texas A&M baseball, here are a few ( link ). On friday evening, the Ags wore this ( link ). Saturday the Ags wor pinstripes…..and on sunday they wore the “wings” jersey

    …hopefully the Ags will go back to the pullover option for a few games (pic of Diamond Darling in pullover – link )

    Re: Domino’s

    Back in my stand-up days, I had a joke about Domino’s in my act:
    “On the way over, I saw Domino’s Pizza had a ‘Help Wanted’ sign in the window…. so I ran in and dropped off a recipe.”

    [quote comment=”230638″]Houston Cougar baseball going with white kicks this season: link[/quote]
    Somewhere (hopefully above) this link is smiling

    [quote comment=”230528″][quote comment=”230494″]Need a little help here. A while back, when we were all going back and forth about the new NHL jerseys as they were being unveiled…there were some readers here who ran a hockey supply/jersey retail outfit.

    My son (3 years old today) is starting with the pre-hockey program this weekend. I’ve got him everything he needs, except no one has jerseys small enough around my area (Youth-XS). So I wanted to check with the guys from here.

    Thanks
    Dan[/quote]

    Try link, out of Toronto.[/quote]

    That store in Toronto closed about three years ago. They operate out of Winnipeg only.

    [quote comment=”230613″]I think the WFL pic of Alex Hawkins is from the 1974 World Bowl (maybe the unis were being shown off at halftime, or that was from another game?).

    link

    The beauty queen there is Miss Florida, Delta Burke.[/quote]

    Oh, it absolutely is from World Bowl ’74.

    But the other caps are from 1975. The DVD in question was NFL Films’ “Lost Treasures” episode on the WFL from a few years back. They jumped around a bit.

    In your link, you can see the officials’ uniforms much more clearly and see how really dreadful they were.

    As for Mets’ unis, I think many of them have sported link (especially the 1986 team).

    And Portillo’s has good hamburgers. I don’t think I’ve ever had one of their hot dogs.

    [quote comment=”230630″][quote comment=”230611″][quote]To make this Uni-Worthy…My father on occasion would hit a grand slam and score Nets luxury box tickets through his job. Probably four times, I got to see MJ play down there at Brendan Byrne.
    Each time that the Nets scored 100 or more points, you could take your ticket stub to the White Castle near Fiesta on Route 17 and receive a free hamburger or sack of them. I really don’t know, cuz I went home hungry after EVERY game![/quote]

    how was that uni-worthy again?[/quote]

    The Nets wore Nets jerseys and the Bulls wore Bulls jerseys in those 4 games.

    [sarcasm][/quote]

    Steve, thanks for the pick-up! I just thought it a poignant anecdote!
    The son of Mike Saunders, the former head trainer of the Knicks, is one of my students this year!…
    He told me that his current Jordans were “beat” so last year his dad had brought home some shoes from the Equipment room in the son’s size, he decided to finally wear them until the Jordan XX3’s came out, which was about two weeks time.

    guess thats why he’s the former trainer…

    As for the status of Mr. Saunders job with the Knicks being former, I’m under the impression that you have to commit link than “borrow” Nate Robinson’s kicks.

    To make this Uni-Worthy…My father on occasion would hit a grand slam and score Nets luxury box tickets through his job. Probably four times, I got to see MJ play down there at Brendan Byrne.
    Each time that the Nets scored 100 or more points, you could take your ticket stub to the White Castle near Fiesta on Route 17 and receive a free hamburger or sack of them. I really don’t know, cuz I went home hungry after EVERY game!

    how was that uni-worthy again?

    The Nets wore Nets jerseys and the Bulls wore Bulls jerseys in those 4 games.

    [sarcasm]
    Steve, thanks for the pick-up! I just thought it a poignant anecdote!

    The son of Mike Saunders, the former head trainer of the Knicks, is one of my students this year!…
    He told me that his current Jordans were “beat” so last year his dad had brought home some shoes from the Equipment room in the son’s size, he decided to finally wear them until the Jordan XX3’s came out, which was about two weeks time.

    guess thats why he’s the former trainer…

    As for the status of Mr. Saunders job with the Knicks being former, I’m under the impression that you have to commit link than “borrow” Nate Robinson’s kicks in order to lose your job!

    anyone know what teams in europe wear pink jerseys for soccer? my intermural team FC Keep It Real United decided to go with pink and I need to dress accordingly. Thanks.

    [quote comment=”230637″]Stopped by the Tigers spring opener today against Florida Southern College. Andy Van Slyke and Gene Lamont were both wearing flapless helmets down the baselines.

    link
    link[/quote]

    For all those who seem to hate the idea of having to wear the helmets, look at it this way. A kid could never buy a souvenir batting helmet with flaps like his favorite player who entered the league after 1982. He could just say it might be a catchers helmet. Now kids once can say “I got this helmet and is just like my favorite third-base coach __________ (insert name of has-been or never was).”

    [quote comment=”230613″]I think the WFL pic of Alex Hawkins is from the 1974 World Bowl (maybe the unis were being shown off at halftime, or that was from another game?).

    link

    The beauty queen there is Miss Florida, Delta Burke.[/quote]

    or maybe the unis were being sold off at halftime?

    [quote comment=”230676″]Does anyone have any pics from spring training of the base coaches wearing helmets?[/quote]

    You mean besides link

    [quote comment=”230620″][quote comment=”230617″][quote comment=”230604″]The point of the article was that the management group wants to be more traditional, and hence, doesn’t like the red jersey. I think we’ll see it less this year, if at all, followed by a change next year. Last year they wore it every Friday home game.

    They still have teh black jersey with sleaves available to them as well, and I don’t think they wore that at all last year. Prehaps we will see that again this year rather than the red vest?

    Dejan said the red jerseys “will remain for another year … and probably not more.” They will still show up throughout this season, probably for the same Friday night games (13 total).

    (FYI: The red we smeared on everything last year? Was a McClatchy thing. We’ve stopped using red as a primary color on just about everything and are sticking to good ole black & gold.)

    The black full-sleeved jerseys are completely retired and are not currently MLB-approved.

    It’s very similar to what happened with the Reds last year. They got new jerseys last year because they were too late to get a new style approved for ’06 since they had just taken over at the time.[/quote]

    They are still selling the black jersey as an link;
    I guess that doesn’t mean they’ll be worn, only that you can still buy an authentic one.

    I never hated the idea of using red, but I still have not seen them do it in a way I liked. The red and yellow (sorry gold) simply clash too hard. I kind liked the black jersey though; I think it came the closet to using red well. I picked up a game used one of those at Pirate Fest for $25. If they used them same font as vests on that jersey I think it would have been a winner.[/quote]

    You know, now that I think about it, they hardly ever wore the Red Vests (only about 8% of the time), but it seemed like so much more becasue I always watch the Pirate game on Friday nights, where I miss most of the weekday day games.[/quote]

    Thank God those HORRIBLE Red Vests are going to be done. I really dig that black sleeved alternate, keep that red trim on “PIRATES” too. That Jersey is perfect.

    [quote comment=”230557″]so who wins PL,
    yoccos vs. hot dog johnnys?[/quote]

    as Paul said, Charlies Pool Room….but if Syd’s was still around, there would be no contest.

    And Jimmy Buff’s ain’t bad either..

    We have a group of people who actually do a TOUR of various Jersey hot dog joints every year – we fill a bus!

    [quote comment=”230686″]link back on court, w/black ribbon[/quote]

    Wow! Thats an actual ribbon, not just an embroidered patch shaped like a ribbon. I have no problem with it, I think it looks better that way.

    [quote comment=”230687″][quote comment=”230620″][quote comment=”230617″][quote comment=”230604″]The point of the article was that the management group wants to be more traditional, and hence, doesn’t like the red jersey. I think we’ll see it less this year, if at all, followed by a change next year. Last year they wore it every Friday home game.

    They still have teh black jersey with sleaves available to them as well, and I don’t think they wore that at all last year. Prehaps we will see that again this year rather than the red vest?

    Dejan said the red jerseys “will remain for another year … and probably not more.” They will still show up throughout this season, probably for the same Friday night games (13 total).

    (FYI: The red we smeared on everything last year? Was a McClatchy thing. We’ve stopped using red as a primary color on just about everything and are sticking to good ole black & gold.)

    The black full-sleeved jerseys are completely retired and are not currently MLB-approved.

    It’s very similar to what happened with the Reds last year. They got new jerseys last year because they were too late to get a new style approved for ’06 since they had just taken over at the time.[/quote]

    They are still selling the black jersey as an link;
    I guess that doesn’t mean they’ll be worn, only that you can still buy an authentic one.

    I never hated the idea of using red, but I still have not seen them do it in a way I liked. The red and yellow (sorry gold) simply clash too hard. I kind liked the black jersey though; I think it came the closet to using red well. I picked up a game used one of those at Pirate Fest for $25. If they used them same font as vests on that jersey I think it would have been a winner.[/quote]

    You know, now that I think about it, they hardly ever wore the Red Vests (only about 8% of the time), but it seemed like so much more becasue I always watch the Pirate game on Friday nights, where I miss most of the weekday day games.[/quote]

    Thank God those HORRIBLE Red Vests are going to be done. I really dig that black sleeved alternate, keep that red trim on “PIRATES” too. That Jersey is perfect.[/quote]
    I think powder blue instead of red in the black jersey would be pretty spiffy. Powder blue is in the Pittsburgh coat of arms…

    [quote comment=”230698″][quote comment=”230687″]

    Thank God those HORRIBLE Red Vests are going to be done. I really dig that black sleeved alternate, keep that red trim on “PIRATES” too. That Jersey is perfect.[/quote]
    I think powder blue instead of red in the black jersey would be pretty spiffy. Powder blue is in the Pittsburgh coat of arms…[/quote]

    Mike E., no. Just…no. Powder blue is the second bane of sports unis colors (pink being the first). Besides, I like the red vests, and, yes, I know I am the only one.

    We don’t dig the Chargers’ original powder blues? Those are freaking classic. I have a Lance Alworth powder blue that I love.

    What’s the difference between that and UCLA’s blue? Love those, too.

    [quote comment=”230704″][quote comment=”230698″][quote comment=”230687″]

    Thank God those HORRIBLE Red Vests are going to be done. I really dig that black sleeved alternate, keep that red trim on “PIRATES” too. That Jersey is perfect.[/quote]
    I think powder blue instead of red in the black jersey would be pretty spiffy. Powder blue is in the Pittsburgh coat of arms…[/quote]

    Mike E., no. Just…no. Powder blue is the second bane of sports unis colors (pink being the first). Besides, I like the red vests, and, yes, I know I am the only one.[/quote]
    Key word: THINK. As in, I THINK I would rather wear a color of civic pride as opposed to the fashion color of the moment. (Fact: red seems like the “in” color of modern jersey designs.) Just THINKING. Nothing more, nothing less.

    I personally really wonder about the bulit-in Speedo look to those WFL colored pants. Seriously, the striped pants are horrible enough, but the black crotch panel with g-string effect in the back?

    WTF?

    Not uni-related, but very much uni-watching related: “The new MLB rules, in development for roughly six months, also prohibit news organizations from posting more than seven photos from any game online and from creating a photo gallery on their Web sites. In addition, non-text content created at MLB ballparks cannot stay up on a news outlet Web site for more than 72 hours.”

    With only 7 photos per game, and a time limit of 72 hours, it’ll be much harder to find photos of specific incidents during baseball season, and an archive of only the past three days will cut down on the chance of finding out exactly when that nameplate became misspelled or that pitcher started writing on his glove. I think this’ll hit the smaller-market teams harder, as photos from that Royals-Rays game will be limited to the local papers and the AP, Reuters, etc. It looks like taking pictures at games you attend and taking screencaptures from broadcast games will be much more important this season.

    link

    [quote comment=”230637″]Stopped by the Tigers spring opener today against Florida Southern College. Andy Van Slyke and Gene Lamont were both wearing flapless helmets down the baselines.

    link
    link[/quote]
    Nice to see the Tigers wearing the white jerseys instead of the BP jerseys in a ST game.

    [quote comment=”230668″]anyone know what teams in europe wear pink jerseys for soccer? my intermural team FC Keep It Real United decided to go with pink and I need to dress accordingly. Thanks.[/quote]

    Try Palermo in Italy and Sport Boys in Peru. Sevilla has an alternate jersey that makes you look like blocks of neapolitan ice cream.

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