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A Brief Lesson In History

Edwards

A good number of the comments on yesterday’s post dealt with today’s Manchester United soccer game, where the team will wear a throwback kit in honor of the victims of the 1958 Munich Air Disaster. Setting aside for now the actual looks of the kit, which was disparaged for being boring, it’s best to know a little more about the events being memorialized.

The crash claimed 23 lives, including eight Manchester United players and three staffers. To a soccer-mad country — and for a club with a far-reaching fan base — the crash had a particularly devastating effect. Of the players lost in the crash, most notable was Duncan Edwards. Though only 21 years old, Edwards was the star of the national team — hailed as the world’s next great football talent. The stained-glass window above is from a church in Edwards’ hometown of Dudley, England. Here’s a huge version. That’s his Man U kit on the left and England kit on the right. Said Sir Bobby Charlton, England’s all-time leading scorer:

He was incomparable, I feel terrible trying to explain to people just how good he was, his death was the biggest single tragedy ever to happen to Manchester United and English football. I always felt I could compare well with any player – except Duncan. He was such a talent, I always felt inferior to him. He didn’t have a fault with his game.

To put Edwards’ death into perspective related to American sports history, take Ted Williams’ first four seasons — ages 20 through 23. Over those seasons, he hit 127 home runs, drove in 515 runs, scored 541 runs, and hit for a .356 average. In 1941, he hit .406. After the 1942 season, he went to war. But what if he didn’t come back? What do those stats say about what would have been? Might he be canonized like Edwards? The comparison is apt, though slightly morbid. Edwards’ death likely impacted British soccer for the next dozen years, or more.

But on to the kit itself. Though some details aren’t quite right — the red stripe seems to be missing from the shorts in this shot — it’s a good-faith reproduction. Keep in mind it’s just a promo shot. That may not be the final product. Note also, however, that Edwards’ image on the left pane above is also missing the stripe. Is it boring? Perhaps, but it was 1958. Things were like that then. And a snazzier kit no doubt could have been chosen, but those players didn’t have the luxury of choosing the year of the crash.

Finally, given the historical impact of the event, Manchester United’s remembrance might be considered understated — especially when compared to all of those No. 21s for the NFC team in the Pro Bowl today. I’m willing to take the heat for it (that’s why I got the bigger inbox for my email), but I’ll take a simple, classy, one-time gesture over a press conference memorial any day.

Enjoy your Sunday, folks. — Bryan

 
  
 
Comments (122)

    FYI, The red stripe shorts in the picture are actually from the away kit, an all while outfit. The regular first kit in 1958 did not have a stripe. For some reason (hell, could be as simple as the regular whites were dirty) they wore the red stripe shorts in Belgrade. link, of course, is the last taken of that brilliant squad.

    By the way Bryan, you’ve taken a lot of heat over the weeks about your open thread topics and pics. Today, you kit one out of the park. Right topic, right treatment. A good mix of introduction to the uninitiated, a tone and context that works for those of us who are well aware of this history. Cheers.

    SB

    Looks like the Redskins will be going with link as Head Coach. Here’s hoping he requires all the ‘Skins QBs to wear the cool hip pads and retro facemask.

    United v. City: No doubt the pics will come, but both teams look fantastic. Shame about Carlos Tevez’s Jumpman headband, though.

    And reports state the City fans behaved impeccably during the minute’s silence. Fantastic.

    SB

    [quote comment=”221994″][quote]Today, you kit one out of the park.[/quote]

    no pun intended ;)[/quote]

    Oops. What can I say? Must have been a Freudian slap.

    Hey Now!

    SB

    Not old enough to remember the Man U. crash, but I do remember the link. As often as athletes travel these days, many by rickety old birds outside of the big money leagues, it’s surprising that these tragedies don’t happen more often.

    [quote comment=”221996″]Oh yeah, Bryan, a very good entry this morning.[/quote]

    Yes, it was. Thank you.

    Just to add-in a bit more, not only were eight players killed, two others were so injured they could never play again, two more were out of football as a result of injuries within two years, and many others were unavailable for weeks or months afterwards.

    In the immediate aftermath, not only had United lost the entire future of one of the greatest players the world had ever seen, or would ever see, they had also lost so many players that they literally could not put eleven men on the field.

    Gloriously, many teams offered Jimmy Murphy – temporary manager at United – his pick of their squads as loan players until United could get back together. A number of players were permanently transferred, with the transfer fees reduced or even eliminated, as football pulled together to help United recover.

    It took five years for United to put a first-rate side together, with Charlton (a Munich survivor), Law (one of the post-Munich transfers) and Best (arriving from the youth team in 1963). United won the League in 1965 and 1967 and then the European Cup in 1968, just ten years after Munich.

    Hello! Hello! We are the Busby Babes
    Hello! Hello! We are the Busby Babes
    [line censored as this is a family site]
    We all follow United!

    Like the helvetica number treatment on back of the ManU commerorative unis. Sharp.

    link

    Reminds me of the late ’70’s NY Rangers: link

    and Phillies unis from the Mike Schmidt/Steve Carlton era.
    link

    [quote comment=”222012″]

    Hello! Hello! We are the Busby Babes
    Hello! Hello! We are the Busby Babes
    [line censored as this is a family site]
    We all follow United![/quote]

    United fans have some link.

    I’m probably going to be chastized for this but I for one am incredibly sick of these over the top tributes to Sean Taylor, I understand that he was murdered in his own home and left behind a family and that was tragic. Leaving aside perseption of behavior and criminal history, the Broncos lost Darrent Williams in a similar matter in the offseason but no league wide memorial was staged. The Broncos and Pat’s lost players in the offseason in the time after Williams death and before Taylor’s but again no league wide memorial. It’s as if the NFL believes that to be honored league wide you need to die during the regular season or be a pro-bowler. Either leave the tributes to the individual teams or make all memorials league wide.

    [quote comment=”222036″]I’m probably going to be chastized for this but I for one am incredibly sick of these over the top tributes to Sean Taylor, I understand that he was murdered in his own home and left behind a family and that was tragic. Leaving aside perseption of behavior and criminal history, the Broncos lost Darrent Williams in a similar matter in the offseason but no league wide memorial was staged. The Broncos and Pat’s lost players in the offseason in the time after Williams death and before Taylor’s but again no league wide memorial. It’s as if the NFL believes that to be honored league wide you need to die during the regular season or be a pro-bowler. Either leave the tributes to the individual teams or make all memorials league wide.[/quote]
    Are you new here?

    [quote comment=”222033″]Like the helvetica number treatment on back of the ManU commerorative unis. Sharp.

    link

    Reminds me of the late ’70’s NY Rangers: link

    and Phillies unis from the Mike Schmidt/Steve Carlton era.
    link

    As a Ranger fan I was hoping to forget link.

    Nice perspective piece, well done Bryan.

    Beats in Buffalo, you aint the only one tired of the Sean Taylor tributes especially in relation the grief The League gave Jake Plummer for his wearing a decal for Pat Tillman.

    Oh and thanks Bryan for subjecting us to a pic of Pitino in a white suit (doing his best Young Col. Saunders look) for another played out gimmick, the arena “white out”

    BTW the Lipscomb (Nashville TN) womens b-ball will do a pink out (unis, coaches, fans) tomorrow nite.

    [quote comment=”222042″]Nice perspective piece, well done Bryan.

    Beats in Buffalo, you aint the only one tired of the Sean Taylor tributes especially in relation the grief The League gave Jake Plummer for his wearing a decal for Pat Tillman.

    Oh and thanks Bryan for subjecting us to a pic of Pitino in a white suit (doing his best Young Col. Saunders look) for another played out gimmick, the arena “white out”

    BTW the Lipscomb (Nashville TN) womens b-ball will do a pink out (unis, coaches, fans) tomorrow nite.[/quote]

    Many feel the league has totally messed up in the past, particularly in the cases of Tillman and Williams, where his teammates were refused the request to do many of the things Washington players are doing in memory of Taylor.

    BUT, considering how the ST love has faded and turned to derision “but only toward the memorial – not the man”, it looks like the NFL was right all along. Too much of anything is too much for the public, and no, instead of leaving it on an emotional high, people are sick and tired of the memory of Sean Taylor.

    Just imagine how it would look and feel if, in response to the Pat Tillman memorials, people said, “wow – overplayed” instead of “Pat Tillman – what a tragedy”.

    SB

    I read the other day that the University of Minnesota was getting new uniforms, and were to introduce them on national signing day. Does anyone have a picture? Or know where I can find one? I already looked on the university site and they aren’t there.

    To keep up with the tribute but a little different question is Micah Richards not wearing a number on his link here like the rest of the city players?

    [quote comment=”222043″]Bryan nailed it. I have nothing more to add.

    Except link.[/quote]

    Ahhh I am sorry, I can’t contain myself… Ronaldo you dirty fing diver.

    But the jersey for both teams first class. The moment where both teams away and home held their scarves aloft and the simplicity of their scarves is gorgeous.

    And the Germany away kit although the colors are a little funky they some how work out and look pretty good.

    Oddly, Xavier University is wearing classic jerseys to remember the 50th anniversary of the 1958 NIT Champions. No images yet, but the classic font and stripes look much better than the cookie cutter St. Joseph uniforms.

    [quote comment=”222038″]As a Ranger fan I was hoping to forget link.[/quote]

    I always liked those. I know the classic RANGERS diagonal lettering is preferable to most, but those crested jerseys aren’t terrible.

    agreed that the ST memorials are far too many in number and overdone. he was a a football player and he died. it was tragic. let’s grieve a bit and move on. this constant, never-ending, long, drawn-out, played-out tribute nonsense is getting tiresome and old. the problem is that it seems insincere, and as with all things NFL, done only for the cash money it hopes to generate. do you think the NFL really gives a rat’s ass about sean taylor, OTHER THAN as regards the publicity-slash-$$$ it generates for itself after his death?

    christ, ST is probably looking down at us now and wondering why the hell roger gooddell and his cronies don’t just move the fuck on. are we going to drag this hype into next season too?

    sorry this is non-uni related.

    And when John Ferguson the elder took over in Winnipeg, you would like tt forget they brought those unis (with the Jets logo in lieu of the Rangers) with him.

    [quote comment=”222044″][quote comment=”222042″]Nice perspective piece, well done Bryan.

    Beats in Buffalo, you aint the only one tired of the Sean Taylor tributes especially in relation the grief The League gave Jake Plummer for his wearing a decal for Pat Tillman.

    Oh and thanks Bryan for subjecting us to a pic of Pitino in a white suit (doing his best Young Col. Saunders look) for another played out gimmick, the arena “white out”

    BTW the Lipscomb (Nashville TN) womens b-ball will do a pink out (unis, coaches, fans) tomorrow nite.[/quote]

    Many feel the league has totally messed up in the past, particularly in the cases of Tillman and Williams, where his teammates were refused the request to do many of the things Washington players are doing in memory of Taylor.

    BUT, considering how the ST love has faded and turned to derision “but only toward the memorial – not the man”, it looks like the NFL was right all along. Too much of anything is too much for the public, and no, instead of leaving it on an emotional high, people are sick and tired of the memory of Sean Taylor.

    Just imagine how it would look and feel if, in response to the Pat Tillman memorials, people said, “wow – overplayed” instead of “Pat Tillman – what a tragedy”.

    SB[/quote]

    Another example of the ridiculousness of the NFL and their restricting of “tributes” was when Peyton Manning wanted to wear black high-tops to honor Johnny Unitas and the league squashed that display…???!!!

    Yes, it’s a shame that Sean Taylor was murdered….but “he who lives that style of life, will perish in that style of death…”

    Time to move on…

    The refs in the Tulane-Marshall women’s game have pink whistles. If I can grab a picture I will..

    The UGA Lady Bulldogs are in all pink and the Lady LSU Tigers are in white trimmed in pink on EPSN2 right now.

    The commemorative Manchester United shirts are lovely, for a club often criticised for leading the march towards total commercialism, the Nike Swoosh-less and sponsorless jerseys are very classy indeed. Also worthy of note is the decision to not have players names on the back of the shirts, this game was about remembering the ’58 players, not massaging the egos of current ‘stars’.

    [quote comment=”222082″]The commemorative Manchester United shirts are lovely, for a club often criticised for leading the march towards total commercialism, the Nike Swoosh-less and sponsorless jerseys are very classy indeed. Also worthy of note is the decision to not have players names on the back of the shirts, this game was about remembering the ’58 players, not massaging the egos of current ‘stars’.[/quote]

    NFL…are you paying attention as to how a tribute should be conducted????????????

    good afternoon guys,

    saw something interesting this afternoon.. a picture of Joffrey Lupul of the FLyers wearing a jersey that indicated hes hurt… and while im sure its been used.. i dont think ive ever seen an actual picture of it..

    link

    [quote comment=”222081″]The UGA Lady Bulldogs are in all pink and the Lady LSU Tigers are in white trimmed in pink on EPSN2 right now.[/quote]

    Looks like Nebraska is doing white with pink lettering today, all part of the Think Pink activities to raise breast cancer awareness.

    I forgot to say this when the discussion about the whole Think Pink thing was going on, but I’ll say it now: you need events like Think Pink the same reason you need to take refresher courses to keep your CPR certification, if you go too long without having a reason to think about it, you forget about it.

    Nee some help from Gretzky/Oiler fans. Could this photo actually be the great one? I have doubts (CCM helment?) but don’t know enough to say definitively.

    link

    [quote comment=”222091″]Nee some help from Gretzky/Oiler fans. Could this photo actually be the great one? I have doubts (CCM helment?) but don’t know enough to say definitively.

    link

    Looks like Kevin Lowe…???!!!??

    [quote comment=”222091″]Nee some help from Gretzky/Oiler fans. Could this photo actually be the great one? I have doubts (CCM helment?) but don’t know enough to say definitively.

    link

    Looks like Kevin Lowe…???!!!??

    [quote comment=”222075″][quote comment=”222044″][quote comment=”222042″]Nice perspective piece, well done Bryan.

    Beats in Buffalo, you aint the only one tired of the Sean Taylor tributes especially in relation the grief The League gave Jake Plummer for his wearing a decal for Pat Tillman.

    Oh and thanks Bryan for subjecting us to a pic of Pitino in a white suit (doing his best Young Col. Saunders look) for another played out gimmick, the arena “white out”

    BTW the Lipscomb (Nashville TN) womens b-ball will do a pink out (unis, coaches, fans) tomorrow nite.[/quote]

    Many feel the league has totally messed up in the past, particularly in the cases of Tillman and Williams, where his teammates were refused the request to do many of the things Washington players are doing in memory of Taylor.

    BUT, considering how the ST love has faded and turned to derision “but only toward the memorial – not the man”, it looks like the NFL was right all along. Too much of anything is too much for the public, and no, instead of leaving it on an emotional high, people are sick and tired of the memory of Sean Taylor.

    Just imagine how it would look and feel if, in response to the Pat Tillman memorials, people said, “wow – overplayed” instead of “Pat Tillman – what a tragedy”.

    SB[/quote]

    Another example of the ridiculousness of the NFL and their restricting of “tributes” was when Peyton Manning wanted to wear black high-tops to honor Johnny Unitas and the league squashed that display…???!!!

    Yes, it’s a shame that Sean Taylor was murdered….but “he who lives that style of life, will perish in that style of death…”

    Time to move on…[/quote]

    Stan-
    Not to open a difficult discussion (I guess it has already been opened), but there is no evidence come to light so far to suggest Taylor’s death was related to any past behavior. Since it was simply logical to have assumed this a time of the shooting, the apparent fact that it was not isn’t insignificant. If you don’t care about Sean Taylor then it’s pretty easy to throw that around, even if it is apparently not true.

    [quote comment=”222070″]And when John Ferguson the elder took over in Winnipeg, you would like tt forget they brought those unis (with the Jets logo in lieu of the Rangers) with him.[/quote]

    Ferguson didn’t bring anything with him. The Jets were in link from their times in the WHA. Ferguson was the GM of the Jets during their last season in the WHA before they moved to the NHL, so he couldn’t have brought anything with him to Winnipeg.

    The Rangers actually abandoned those jerseys after the 1977-78 season. Much like Dallas did with the NHL All-Star jerseys, the Jets simply recycled the look because their jerseys in 78-79 were virtually identical to the Rangers’ jerseys.

    [quote comment=”222092″][quote comment=”222091″]Nee some help from Gretzky/Oiler fans. Could this photo actually be the great one? I have doubts (CCM helment?) but don’t know enough to say definitively.

    link

    Looks like Kevin Lowe…???!!!??[/quote]

    A very young link.

    i’m going with steve smith. that pic looked nothing like gretzky not to mention that the jersey number that you can see the top of is pointed on the corner. that digit can’t be a 9.

    [quote comment=”222096″][quote comment=”222092″][quote comment=”222091″]Nee some help from Gretzky/Oiler fans. Could this photo actually be the great one? I have doubts (CCM helment?) but don’t know enough to say definitively.

    link

    Looks like Kevin Lowe…???!!!??[/quote]

    A very young link.[/quote]

    Great work Stan & Teebz. It’s funny, that photo was run in the St. Pete Times in relation to a story on the 1985-86 Oilers (re: 2007 Pats) and even mentioned the famous Steve Smith goal but the captioned credited the photo to Gretzky. Thanks guys.

    Teebs, I was merely talking about the uniforms being recycled, not the colors.

    The Rangers trashed those unis when Fred Shero took over as the coach. The next year, Fergie bought those unis back with Winnipeg.

    [quote comment=”222103″]Teebs, I was merely talking about the uniforms being recycled, not the colors.

    The Rangers trashed those unis when Fred Shero took over as the coach. The next year, Fergie bought those unis back with Winnipeg.[/quote]

    Oh. My bad then. I read it literally as “with him”. Sorry, James! :o)

    [quote comment=”222082″]Also worthy of note is the decision to not have players names on the back of the shirts. . .[/quote]
    Another uni related note from today’s tribute. Instead of wearing their normal squad numbers, United reverted to the tradition of having the starters wear 1-11. Paul Scholes is normally 18, but was wearing 10, Vidic wears 15, but was in 4 today. John O’Shea, Carlos Tevez, & Nani were the other starters not wearing their normal squad numbers.

    I was just listening to the Jim Zorn news conference on the radio. He said his family was geared up in the maroon and black. Nice job Snyder. I am so glad the ‘Skins are in the NFC East. MAROON AND BLACK???

    here is a better picture of the xavier basketball uniforms. I think they turned out great, I wish they would just wear ones that look like that. I’m glad the short “exposing” shorts weren’t wore.

    link

    [quote comment=”222045″]I read the other day that the University of Minnesota was getting new uniforms, and were to introduce them on national signing day. Does anyone have a picture? Or know where I can find one? I already looked on the university site and they aren’t there.[/quote]

    I heard that too, but I was at the signing day event that evening and there was no uni-related news. Might have been a false rumor.

    I know that pretty much everyone is aware of the Think Pink activities in NCAA women’s basketball, but specifically, the NC State team, whose coach Kay Yow is battling breast cancer, is wearing pink jerseys with every NOB as “Yow” in honor of their coach. Game is being regionally broadcast in ESPN2. I would get a screengrab, but am a poor law student without DVR.

    [quote comment=”222093″][quote comment=”222091″]Nee some help from Gretzky/Oiler fans. Could this photo actually be the great one? I have doubts (CCM helment?) but don’t know enough to say definitively.

    link

    Looks like link…???!!!??[/quote]

    Don’t you mean Kevin Love? And does anyone know why the C on his jersey a different color?

    [quote comment=”222130″][quote comment=”222093″][quote comment=”222091″]Nee some help from Gretzky/Oiler fans. Could this photo actually be the great one? I have doubts (CCM helment?) but don’t know enough to say definitively.

    link

    Looks like link…???!!!??[/quote]

    Don’t you mean link? And does anyone know why the C on his jersey a different color?[/quote]

    [quote comment=”222130″][quote comment=”222093″][quote comment=”222091″]Nee some help from Gretzky/Oiler fans. Could this photo actually be the great one? I have doubts (CCM helment?) but don’t know enough to say definitively.

    link

    I believe its because he is a captain
    Looks like link…???!!!??[/quote]

    Don’t you mean Kevin Love? And does anyone know why the C on his jersey a different color?[/quote]

    [quote comment=”222150″]It looks like Derek Anderson’s right sleeve patch is upside down.[/quote]

    There was a pic of that in the comments section of either Friday or Saturday night!

    I love Kay Yow to death, but that sweatsuit she’s wearing for Hoops for Hope makes her look like a retiree walking along South Beach.

    [quote comment=”222134″]Looks like all the Redskins are wearing #21 for the Pro Bowl. One last tribute.[/quote]

    Let’s all vomit, one last time…overdone…!!!

    St. Louis Blues Defenseman Eric Brewer Sported the link for the first time last night against the Stars. First time the Note has had a captain this year. Andy Murray was holding out in honor of former Captain Dallas Drake, now a redwing. any one ever heard of a tribute for an in division opponent before other tan a retiring player?

    [quote comment=”222011″]A fitting link.[/quote]

    The picture is stunning, but to me probably staged. Notice that all the scarves are ‘retro’ in that no team names and insignia are visible. Compare it to this, another chilling and ispiring piece (although not as good as the one Bill “I love Boston” Simmons linked to a few years ago. That one no longer exists on youtube) of Liverpool fans singing “You Never Walk Alone” to Juventus in memory of the fans who died during their previous meeting in the ’80s.
    link
    Lots of wordmarks, logos, and logocreep in these scarves. Don’t get me wrong, the picture is awesome, the thought awesome, just looks like a ‘free give away scarf day at Old Trafford to enhance the mood. Heck it worked.

    FOX just showed real footage of the Pro Bowl where Moose Johnston (sp) wore a Packers helmet, I didnt get it and I don’t have TiVo..

    Darryl Johnston just went through describing the whole Packers helmet issue when he was in the Pro Bowl. Sorry, no transcript.

    As per yesterday’s late posts of a pic of Bob Pulford in the all yellow Kings uniform:

    Back in 1979, when Jack Kent Cooke sold the team to Dr. Bus, the yellow pants/breezers/shorts were retired into obscurity (and NHLuniforms.com) history. Can you imagine if the Cooperall pants had not been banned, we’d see all yellow or all purple long pants?

    Did anyone see Chad Reed in San Diego during the Supercross? He was rocking the Chargers helmet decals and almost retro jersey like Keith Lincoln.

    Kevin Lowe played for the Edmonton Oilers back in the glory days, and I believe he’s now their GM.

    Kevin Love is a freshman basketball player for UCLA.

    Wow, someone isn’t paying attention.

    [quote comment=”222188″]In case you, uh, missed this new tennis logo and line….

    link

    and more here.
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    thanks =bg=

    i could have continued to miss it too, but interesting nonetheless

    ————–

    link link link link

    pant piping is SUPER lame, but i gotta admit, i don’t mind the link in the jerseys

    [quote comment=”222195″]LI Phil, where did you find Pro Bowl pictures already?[/quote]

    yahoo sports photos for those, but also you can check reuters

    Reebok used the same “sublimated” uniform star pattern as the Orlando Magic used for a few seasons. Ironically the pattern was designed by clothing designer, Jhane Barnes.

    Jhane Barnes (loves heavy patterns and prints, obviously)…
    link

    Devin Hester/NFL Pro Bowl unis
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    Wilkins/Magic
    link

    Ewing/Magic
    link

    [quote comment=”222184″]http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/02/10/financial/f114715S93.DTL&tsp=1

    Naming rights for WRIGLEY FIELD?[/quote]

    The way I see it, you build the field for the team, you get to name it.

    ‘Nuff said.

    SB

    Who decided that the NFC was always going to be blue and the AFC red? Was it decided by the same person who determined the colors for the political parties? (i.e. red and blue states).

    A Packer helmet, by the way, goes with neither red nor blue.

    [quote comment=”222176″][quote comment=”222011″]A fitting link.[/quote]

    The picture is stunning, but to me probably staged. Notice that all the scarves are ‘retro’ in that no team names and insignia are visible. Don’t get me wrong, the picture is awesome, the thought awesome, just looks like a ‘free give away scarf day at Old Trafford to enhance the mood. Heck it worked.[/quote]

    It was, in fact, a giveaway. I love free stuff, especially when it doenst have “brought to you by Fred’s Car emporium” all over it.”

    I’d say 76,000 free scarves is a tremendous gesture. If that’s what bought quiet for the minute’s silence, then it was money well spent.

    SB

    [quote comment=”222213″]Who decided that the NFC was always going to be blue and the AFC red? Was it decided by the same person who determined the colors for the political parties? (i.e. red and blue states).

    A Packer helmet, by the way, goes with neither red nor blue.[/quote]

    that’s a good question stoob..as long as i can remember, it’s always been that way…yesterday i was checking out old pro bowl photos…and in every one, the nfc was solid “home” blue and the afc was “road” white w/red (either pants or numerals or both)

    and a viking helmet goes with neither

    thanks TOG…that’s some great info

    to paraphrase johnny carson…i did not know that

    More good “I did not know that stuff” for you Lil Phil…

    Here are some fashion designers who designed (quasi designed, I did most of the work and the NBA PR mavens spun the story for the fashion slant)? Paul’s a writer, he can explain…

    Jhane Barnes for the Magic//
    1998-99 – 2002-03 – For the Magic’s 10th anniversary they introduced a new look designed by fashion designer Jhane Barnes. They removed the pinstripes, but the silky home and away uniforms featured stars as the background. The home jersey is white, with blue Magic logo and numbers with black trim. The blue away uniforms had a white Magic logo (the team dropped the city name for the road uniform) and numbers with black trim.

    Alexander Julian Charlotte Hornets//
    Julian has designed uniforms for sports teams such as the Charlotte Hornets and North Carolina University Tar Heels basketball teams, and the uniforms, car colors, and crew clothes for the Newman Haas racing team, which is co-owned by Paul Newman.

    P Diddy Dallas Mavs alternate green//
    Diddy will design the Dallas Mavericks’ alternate uniforms for the 2004-2005 season, representatives of the NBA team said Friday (December 5).

    “The future is now,” Mavericks merchandising director Tim Henning said from Dallas. “We think he’s the perfect designer for this kind of project. He knows design, he knows what’s happening in terms of what we think is street-credible. Nobody out there is as equipped as Puff – and Sean John, specifically – to take on a project like this. [People] are wearing uniforms as fashion, and who’s the guy on top in urban fashion? P. Diddy.”

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    Cary Mitchell Charlotte Bobcats//
    “The Charlotte Bobcats’ new uniform has an attention to detail that is unparalleled,” said Cary Mitchell of Cary Mitchell Designs in Charlotte, who designs apparel for a long list of professional athletes and celebrities. “It brings together the traditional NBA uniform look in a fashion-forward and sophisticated design that fans will enjoy.”

    “The new Charlotte Bobcats uniform is an exciting combination of classic NBA style and progressive detailing, and we’re looking forward to seeing it on court this fall as the Bobcats launch their inaugural campaign,” said Christopher Arena, senior director of apparel licensing for the National Basketball Association, which worked together with the Charlotte Bobcats, Charlotte clothing designer Cary Mitchell, Tom O’Grady of Gameplan Branding Group and Reebok as the architects of the Bobcats identity.

    link

    Sorry for the long post. To make up for it, I’ve included a cool site off the Pantone main site that captures the original team colors of the Charlotte Hornets. Donovan Moore must be smiling out in Denver…check it out!!!

    link

    UCLA Women’s Basketball went link today versus Washington for the ‘Think Pink’ promotion that’s going all over the country right now.

    [quote comment=”222226″]More goodies. Official Pantone sports team colors…this should be expanded for sure.

    link

    effin sweet! who knew super bowl XLII had so many colors? and of course…the ‘boys…what’s that…SEVEN shades of blue/gray

    awesome man, thx

    [quote comment=”222225″]UCLA Women’s Basketball went link today versus Washington for the ‘Think Pink’ promotion that’s going all over the country right now.[/quote]

    Was the ECAC the only hockey conference doing this too? They held a “Pink at the Rink” weekend (Colgate link and link) and is link the link.

    Not sure who, if anyone reads blogs, but they have a post on the pro bowl and the 3rd or so comment reads
    “These uniforms make Paul Lucas cry” . Interesting place to find a uniwatch reference

    I was at the probowl today and I was wondering if Al Harris will get a fine for his socks they were all white

    [quote comment=”222211″][quote comment=”222184″]http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/02/10/financial/f114715S93.DTL&tsp=1

    Naming rights for WRIGLEY FIELD?[/quote]

    The way I see it, you build the field for the team, you get to name it.

    ‘Nuff said.

    SB[/quote]

    Wrigley Field is already built. It’s named. Changing Wrigley’s name would be like naming Fenway. Or Yankee Stadium. If the new owner wants to change Wrigley Field’s name to, say, Wal-mart Field…I BET the city of Chicago would have something to say.

    [quote comment=”222255″]Not sure who, if anyone reads blogs, but they have a post on the pro bowl and the 3rd or so comment reads
    “These uniforms make Paul Lucas cry” . Interesting place to find a uniwatch reference[/quote]
    Care to link?

    [quote comment=”222268″][quote comment=”222255″]Not sure who, if anyone reads blogs, but they have a post on the pro bowl and the 3rd or so comment reads
    “These uniforms make Paul Lucas cry” . Interesting place to find a uniwatch reference[/quote]
    Care to link?[/quote]
    link

    [quote comment=”222267″][quote comment=”222211″][quote comment=”222184″]http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/02/10/financial/f114715S93.DTL&tsp=1

    Naming rights for WRIGLEY FIELD?[/quote]

    The way I see it, you build the field for the team, you get to name it.

    ‘Nuff said.

    SB[/quote]

    Wrigley Field is already built. It’s named. Changing Wrigley’s name would be like naming Fenway. Or Yankee Stadium. If the new owner wants to change Wrigley Field’s name to, say, Wal-mart Field…I BET the city of Chicago would have something to say.[/quote]

    Ummm, that was my point. William Wrigley built what we now know as Wrigley field. You build it, you get to name it. For the Cubs to talk about lost revenue streams… that man WAS their revenue stream for years. Without his largess, they probably don’t exist today.

    As for the cash cow that is naming rights, I’m baffled. I can’t figure out why naming rights fees are going up when every time you change the name, the building edges closer and closer to becoming “whatever arena”. That place in Sunrise, FL, wherever the Panthers play… how many names has it gone through? Rental cars, Video stores… who actually keeps track anymore? I don’t, and I doubt I’m alone.

    SB

    [quote comment=”222288″]the supposed new 2008 Stanley Cup Final link[/quote]

    wow… im pretty sure that would look terrible on every jersey in the NHL beside the Lightning’s…. why doesnt the NHL realize that Black and Blue are not the way to go? at least put some red in it…

    another terrible job…

    [quote comment=”222290″][quote comment=”222288″]the supposed new 2008 Stanley Cup Final link[/quote]

    wow… im pretty sure that would look terrible on every jersey in the NHL beside the Lightning’s…. why doesnt the NHL realize that Black and Blue are not the way to go? at least put some red in it…

    another terrible job…[/quote]

    might look good on the leafs

    /HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    [quote comment=”222274″]when the moon hits your eye…link

    …and GOD i hate the wiz’ unis[/quote]

    And yet if they were used back in the 70s, we’d all be loving them.

    [quote comment=”222291″][quote comment=”222290″][quote comment=”222288″]the supposed new 2008 Stanley Cup Final link[/quote]

    wow… im pretty sure that would look terrible on every jersey in the NHL beside the Lightning’s…. why doesnt the NHL realize that Black and Blue are not the way to go? at least put some red in it…

    another terrible job…[/quote]

    might look good on the leafs

    /HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA[/quote]

    the Leafs? who are they? im pretty sure the Stanley Cup patch is only eligible for NHL teams.

    anyone catch the end of the suns-wiz game? amare took off his jersey and he had the flak jacket (like that which was posted last week on nate robinson)

    i wonder how many ballers wear those things

    [quote comment=”222292″][quote comment=”222274″]when the moon hits your eye…link

    …and GOD i hate the wiz’ unis[/quote]

    And yet if they were used back in the 70s, we’d all be loving them.[/quote]
    Actually, they’d still be stupid. Basketball jerseys, match basketball shorts. End of story.

    [quote comment=”222296″]anyone catch the end of the suns-wiz game? amare took off his jersey and he had the flak jacket (like that which was posted last week on nate robinson)

    i wonder how many ballers wear those things[/quote]

    If I had to guess, more than most people think.

    We know most are wearing the padded compression shorts now, so it only makes sense they’d be doing it on top as well.

    [quote comment=”222244″][quote comment=”222225″]UCLA Women’s Basketball went link today versus Washington for the ‘Think Pink’ promotion that’s going all over the country right now.[/quote]

    Was the ECAC the only hockey conference doing this too? They held a “Pink at the Rink” weekend (Colgate link and link) and is link the link.[/quote]

    The ECHL is apparently doing it, too. I know the Gwinnett Gladiators played on pink ice this last weekend.

    Stupid GD Toy Poodle wins the Toy group at Westminster. The GD Standard Poodle won its group last night. I HATE poodles!!!

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