Saturday Open Thread

I like that with the flag background. Also I was watching Sportcenter last night and when they talked about it my girlfriend asked why they wore 14 and who he was. She’d never heard of him, although she knew Jackie Robinson and his number. The night was a success.

I’ve never heard of this Larry Doby. He really didn’t break any barriers.

Larry Doby was the first black major leaguer to play in American League cities and stadiums.

While Jackie Robinson was the first black major leaguer in Major League Baseball, he took the field in only half of the major league stadiums in America. Larry Doby’s path had not yet been cleared and so he faced the same hostilities that Jackie Robinson faced.

That said, I think Major League Baseball should hold a “White Guilt” night and get it over with. The fact that there had to be a celebration for these great players is an embarrassment for the country and Major League Baseball and should serve to discredit any claims of an existence of a “Good Old Days” or “Greatest Generation.”

We know the names of those who broke through, how about a list of folks who stood in their way in the first place?

broker75 are you serious???…. that’s an assanine statement. thats like saying buzz aldrin never went to the moon cause niel armstrong beat him off the ship.Don’t bash history just because you dont know it. How about you “honor” these men by not posting any more ridiculous attempts to prove your ignorance. PS im not even playing the race card (im a middle class white guy)

[quote comment=”131317″][quote comment=”131310″]Larry Doby was the first black major leaguer to play in American League cities and stadiums.

While Jackie Robinson was the first black major leaguer in Major League Baseball, he took the field in only half of the major league stadiums in America. Larry Doby’s path had not yet been cleared and so he faced the same hostilities that Jackie Robinson faced.

That said, I think Major League Baseball should hold a “White Guilt” night and get it over with. The fact that there had to be a celebration for these great players is an embarrassment for the country and Major League Baseball and should serve to discredit any claims of an existence of a “Good Old Days” or “Greatest Generation.”

We know the names of those who broke through, how about a list of folks who stood in their way in the first place?[/quote]
How about a ‘Pumpsie Green Night’ in Boston to honor the first black player for the Red Sox, who made his debut twelve years after Robinson and Doby.

I agree that the breaking the American League color line is on par with the significance of Jackie Robinson’s debut. However, I am sick and tired of the copy-cat nature of sports tributes.[/quote]
Copycat!? No, the Indians have had this in the works for a long time. I heard that if the Indians would have had a home game on the 60th anniversary, then that would have been Larry Doby Day; the reason why it happened last night is because this is the Cleveland Indians’ Hall of Fame weekend.
In my book, Doby Day is welcome, along with Jackie Robinson Day, any Buck O’Neill tribute, and any game in Negro League jerseys. The more lessons in baseball history given to the fans from the field, the better, especially when about the (relatively) unsung heroes of the game.

Hm…there are a lot of cranky people around here this morning. SOMEONE GET THE COFFEE GOING!

In 1947, the leagues were entirely separate except for the all-star game and the World Series. It is fairly similar to how the NFL and AFL were just before the merger. If you were a fan of one league, you had a passing interest in the other league. As such, the first black man in the AL is a very important thing.

Can I say that it is really strange to see the Indians without nameplates? When I first glanced at the photo, I thought I was looking at the Red Sox…until I saw certain details on the uni, of course.

[quote comment=”131322″][quote comment=”131317″][quote comment=”131310″]Larry Doby was the first black major leaguer to play in American League cities and stadiums.

While Jackie Robinson was the first black major leaguer in Major League Baseball, he took the field in only half of the major league stadiums in America. Larry Doby’s path had not yet been cleared and so he faced the same hostilities that Jackie Robinson faced.

That said, I think Major League Baseball should hold a “White Guilt” night and get it over with. The fact that there had to be a celebration for these great players is an embarrassment for the country and Major League Baseball and should serve to discredit any claims of an existence of a “Good Old Days” or “Greatest Generation.”

We know the names of those who broke through, how about a list of folks who stood in their way in the first place?[/quote]
How about a ‘Pumpsie Green Night’ in Boston to honor the first black player for the Red Sox, who made his debut twelve years after Robinson and Doby.

I agree that the breaking the American League color line is on par with the significance of Jackie Robinson’s debut. However, I am sick and tired of the copy-cat nature of sports tributes.[/quote]
Copycat!? No, the Indians have had this in the works for a long time. I heard that if the Indians would have had a home game on the 60th anniversary, then that would have been Larry Doby Day; the reason why it happened last night is because this is the Cleveland Indians’ Hall of Fame weekend.
In my book, Doby Day is welcome, along with Jackie Robinson Day, any Buck O’Neill tribute, and any game in Negro League jerseys. The more lessons in baseball history given to the fans from the field, the better, especially when about the (relatively) unsung heroes of the game.[/quote]
Copycat in the sense that the entire Dodger team already wore #42 for Robinson and Hockey teams are all the time parading out in an honoree’s number for the pregame skate.

Its like every (seemingly) college basketball team naming their court after someone (i.e. Cremins Court at Georgia Tech – I mean, really?). Overdone.

The honor itself for Doby is well deserved and justified. I just value originality.

I’m sure someone has noted this on here before, but have you guys noticed that Phil Hughes has been pitching with the older model of the new era hat (Grey under brim)

Beckham didnt know what to wear for the first pitch, so he wore everything.

link

One thing I always felt dumb about not noticing was the old Vancouver Canucks “stick-in-the-rink” logo. I could obviously see the hockey stick and the rink, but until someone pointed it out to me, I never noticed it made a “C” as well. I guess it was a case of focusing on the details and missing the big picture.

link definitely needs to make a comeback.

[quote comment=”131335″][quote comment=”131334″]One thing I always felt dumb about not noticing was the old Vancouver Canucks “stick-in-the-rink” logo. I could obviously see the hockey stick and the rink, but until someone pointed it out to me, I never noticed it made a “C” as well. I guess it was a case of focusing on the details and missing the big picture.[/quote]
That being said, do you remember what their old logo created?[/quote]

Beyond the letter “C”, no I don’t

[quote comment=”131339″][quote comment=”131335″][quote comment=”131334″]One thing I always felt dumb about not noticing was the old Vancouver Canucks “stick-in-the-rink” logo. I could obviously see the hockey stick and the rink, but until someone pointed it out to me, I never noticed it made a “C” as well. I guess it was a case of focusing on the details and missing the big picture.[/quote]
That being said, do you remember what their old logo created?[/quote]

Beyond the letter “C”, no I don’t[/quote]
Sorry, I meant this old logo.

[quote comment=”131342″][quote comment=”131335″][quote comment=”131334″]One thing I always felt dumb about not noticing was the old Vancouver Canucks “stick-in-the-rink” logo. I could obviously see the hockey stick and the rink, but until someone pointed it out to me, I never noticed it made a “C” as well. I guess it was a case of focusing on the details and missing the big picture.[/quote]
That being said, do you remember what their old logo created?[/quote]
I still don’t see the C. Unless it’s a huge obnoxiously thick C.[/quote]

You’re right, it’s very thick. It’s kind of a block “C” with the stick forming the open part.

This is what I get for being too young to see such great logos when they were in their prime. I have always loved the Canucks’ “Stick-in-the-rink” logo and the Whalers’ “W-with-a-tail” logo, but I never noticed the C nor the H in the respective logos.
And since we’re now talking about the Whalers and logos, I think we need to mention this link.
And this may be just looking into things a liiiiitle to much, but maybe there’s a link in the link

[quote comment=”131345″][quote comment=”131343″][quote comment=”131342″][quote comment=”131335″][quote comment=”131334″]One thing I always felt dumb about not noticing was the old Vancouver Canucks “stick-in-the-rink” logo. I could obviously see the hockey stick and the rink, but until someone pointed it out to me, I never noticed it made a “C” as well. I guess it was a case of focusing on the details and missing the big picture.[/quote]
That being said, do you remember what their old logo created?[/quote]
I still don’t see the C. Unless it’s a huge obnoxiously thick C.[/quote]

You’re right, it’s very thick. It’s kind of a block “C” with the stick forming the open part.[/quote]

Bah. That isn’t a C. It’s a blue blob. It’s stilla good logo, but not because of a huge blobby C. A great logo? link
Look in the while space between the W and the whale-tail and…BEHOLD! There’s an H![/quote]

I also have to say that the Whalers logo was perfect. If they actually made a Hartford jersey, I’d buy one in a second!

[quote comment=”131308″]I’ve never heard of this Larry Doby. He really didn’t break any barriers.[/quote]

if you liked baseball history and were a baseball fan you have surely heard of larry dobby. and your other comment is not only stupid but borders on ignorance.

[quote comment=”131348″][quote comment=”131345″][quote comment=”131343″][quote comment=”131342″][quote comment=”131335″][quote comment=”131334″]One thing I always felt dumb about not noticing was the old Vancouver Canucks “stick-in-the-rink” logo. I could obviously see the hockey stick and the rink, but until someone pointed it out to me, I never noticed it made a “C” as well. I guess it was a case of focusing on the details and missing the big picture.[/quote]
That being said, do you remember what their old logo created?[/quote]
I still don’t see the C. Unless it’s a huge obnoxiously thick C.[/quote]

You’re right, it’s very thick. It’s kind of a block “C” with the stick forming the open part.[/quote]

Bah. That isn’t a C. It’s a blue blob. It’s stilla good logo, but not because of a huge blobby C. A great logo? link
Look in the while space between the W and the whale-tail and…BEHOLD! There’s an H![/quote]

I also have to say that the Whalers logo was perfect. If they actually made a Hartford jersey, I’d buy one in a second![/quote]

link

Trolls are out in force today i see…

[quote comment=”131323″][quote comment=”131316″]broker75 are you serious???…. that’s an assanine statement. thats like saying buzz aldrin never went to the moon cause niel armstrong beat him off the ship.Don’t bash history just because you dont know it. How about you “honor” these men by not posting any more ridiculous attempts to prove your ignorance. PS im not even playing the race card (im a middle class white guy)[/quote]
I’m not bashing History. The “barrier” was broken already, Larry just followed. The tributes are getting overplayed is all I’m saying.[/quote]

Are you really this stupid or just trying to be a jack ass? Doby had to endure the same racism that Robinson went through. In most of the cities he played in Doby was the first African American to play for in a major league game. and 60 years ago those stands were filled with morons like Broker 75.

Tulane is now a Nike school and unveiled their football jerseys today. No Nike craziness, just a classic look:

link

The University of Washington had their Picture Day today, and the big news is they are link to the back of their jerseys. Now USC will be the only Pac-10 to go nameless on their jerseys.

Paul, this whole hidden letters comment is too good to not make an Page 2 story. Someone help me start a first draft list:

Brewers link
Whalers H (and link, their farm team Binghamton Whalers’ B)

Canucks C (link and link

Canucks link

And of course, the link

And many, many more I presume. Help?

[quote comment=”131326″][quote comment=”131322″][quote comment=”131317″][quote comment=”131310″]Larry Doby was the first black major leaguer to play in American League cities and stadiums.

While Jackie Robinson was the first black major leaguer in Major League Baseball, he took the field in only half of the major league stadiums in America. Larry Doby’s path had not yet been cleared and so he faced the same hostilities that Jackie Robinson faced.

That said, I think Major League Baseball should hold a “White Guilt” night and get it over with. The fact that there had to be a celebration for these great players is an embarrassment for the country and Major League Baseball and should serve to discredit any claims of an existence of a “Good Old Days” or “Greatest Generation.”

We know the names of those who broke through, how about a list of folks who stood in their way in the first place?[/quote]
How about a ‘Pumpsie Green Night’ in Boston to honor the first black player for the Red Sox, who made his debut twelve years after Robinson and Doby.

I agree that the breaking the American League color line is on par with the significance of Jackie Robinson’s debut. However, I am sick and tired of the copy-cat nature of sports tributes.[/quote]
Copycat!? No, the Indians have had this in the works for a long time. I heard that if the Indians would have had a home game on the 60th anniversary, then that would have been Larry Doby Day; the reason why it happened last night is because this is the Cleveland Indians’ Hall of Fame weekend.
In my book, Doby Day is welcome, along with Jackie Robinson Day, any Buck O’Neill tribute, and any game in Negro League jerseys. The more lessons in baseball history given to the fans from the field, the better, especially when about the (relatively) unsung heroes of the game.[/quote]
Copycat in the sense that the entire Dodger team already wore #42 for Robinson and Hockey teams are all the time parading out in an honoree’s number for the pregame skate.

Its like every (seemingly) college basketball team naming their court after someone (i.e. Cremins Court at Georgia Tech – I mean, really?). Overdone.

The honor itself for Doby is well deserved and justified. I just value originality.[/quote]

So I suppose teams that retire their former players’ jersey numbers shouldn’t do that too, only the first team that started doing that? come on, the guy gets a one-game tribute and you’re bitching that they should find some other way to celebrate him

I’m not bashing History. The “barrier” was broken already, Larry just followed. The tributes are getting overplayed is all I’m saying.

Are you really this stupid or just trying to be a jack ass? Doby had to endure the same racism that Robinson went through. In most of the cities he played in Doby was the first African American to play for in a major league game.

Granted the situation back then was different. The AL and NL were definately more distinct back then than now, and for that reason I would say the honor last night was legitmate. Moreso than, lets say, a hypothetical tribute on the 50th anniversary of a All-Star Game with an black MYP. I’ll say I’m glad I now have a name to the person who broke the barrier in the AL.

But, possible grouchy attitude aside, I don’t think brooker was way out of base here. Not enough to warrant this much heat. This past spring we had an exhibition Civil Rights match in Memphis. Okay I suppose, but with all due respect how is what that match is suppose to honor all that different than a Jackie Robinson salute night? And not that it means the game is therefore illegit but the uniforms “dedication to the Negro leagues” certainly were questioned here.

And while I believe the tribute last night was sincere it was the first time it was this well publicized. Also, following in the footsteps of the “everyone wear ’42′” deal that went on with this latest round of tributes to Jackie Robinson and I could see where someone saw last night’s deal and legitimately say “Wait, this seems to be a little bit of a coattail tribute if you ask me”.

If nothing else, given the remarks being within decent conversation, I don’t think simply having the opinon that booker had put someones on the same level as an obivious troll.

Lastings Milledge in BEAUTIFUL blue stirrups tonight to go along with the blue pinstripes. amazing!

[quote comment=”131382″]Tulane is now a Nike school and unveiled their football jerseys today. No Nike craziness, just a classic look:

link[/quote]
Very nice – here’s hoping for a better season than the past couple.
Go Green Wave!

lastings totally stepping up after jose cruz, jr’s departure from the scene…still needs to show a little more sanny for my own taste, but better than those stumpy, little juan pierre stirrups.

Paul’s going to plotz when he sees Milledge in blue stirrups.

And with the proper home uniform to boot.

Wonderful.

[quote comment=”131401″][quote comment=”131326″][quote comment=”131322″][quote comment=”131317″][quote comment=”131310″]Larry Doby was the first black major leaguer to play in American League cities and stadiums.

While Jackie Robinson was the first black major leaguer in Major League Baseball, he took the field in only half of the major league stadiums in America. Larry Doby’s path had not yet been cleared and so he faced the same hostilities that Jackie Robinson faced.

That said, I think Major League Baseball should hold a “White Guilt” night and get it over with. The fact that there had to be a celebration for these great players is an embarrassment for the country and Major League Baseball and should serve to discredit any claims of an existence of a “Good Old Days” or “Greatest Generation.”

We know the names of those who broke through, how about a list of folks who stood in their way in the first place?[/quote]
How about a ‘Pumpsie Green Night’ in Boston to honor the first black player for the Red Sox, who made his debut twelve years after Robinson and Doby.

I agree that the breaking the American League color line is on par with the significance of Jackie Robinson’s debut. However, I am sick and tired of the copy-cat nature of sports tributes.[/quote]
Copycat!? No, the Indians have had this in the works for a long time. I heard that if the Indians would have had a home game on the 60th anniversary, then that would have been Larry Doby Day; the reason why it happened last night is because this is the Cleveland Indians’ Hall of Fame weekend.
In my book, Doby Day is welcome, along with Jackie Robinson Day, any Buck O’Neill tribute, and any game in Negro League jerseys. The more lessons in baseball history given to the fans from the field, the better, especially when about the (relatively) unsung heroes of the game.[/quote]
Copycat in the sense that the entire Dodger team already wore #42 for Robinson and Hockey teams are all the time parading out in an honoree’s number for the pregame skate.

Its like every (seemingly) college basketball team naming their court after someone (i.e. Cremins Court at Georgia Tech – I mean, really?). Overdone.

The honor itself for Doby is well deserved and justified. I just value originality.[/quote]

So I suppose teams that retire their former players’ jersey numbers shouldn’t do that too, only the first team that started doing that? come on, the guy gets a one-game tribute and you’re bitching that they should find some other way to celebrate him[/quote]
I just don’t think it took a whole lot of thought to put that particular part of the tribute together.

And retiring numbers has been a standard practice since the Yankees retired Lou Gehrig’s #4, but face it, some teams go way overboard there too.

I’m not normally a nike-hater, but the LLWS helmets with just the Nike logo are a bit extreme.

my wife doesn’t think the kids should be put under this spotlight anyway.

[quote comment=”131354″][quote comment=”131348″][quote comment=”131345″][quote comment=”131343″][quote comment=”131342″][quote comment=”131335″][quote comment=”131334″]One thing I always felt dumb about not noticing was the old Vancouver Canucks “stick-in-the-rink” logo. I could obviously see the hockey stick and the rink, but until someone pointed it out to me, I never noticed it made a “C” as well. I guess it was a case of focusing on the details and missing the big picture.[/quote]
That being said, do you remember what their old logo created?[/quote]
I still don’t see the C. Unless it’s a huge obnoxiously thick C.[/quote]

You’re right, it’s very thick. It’s kind of a block “C” with the stick forming the open part.[/quote]

Bah. That isn’t a C. It’s a blue blob. It’s stilla good logo, but not because of a huge blobby C. A great logo? link
Look in the while space between the W and the whale-tail and…BEHOLD! There’s an H![/quote]

I also have to say that the Whalers logo was perfect. If they actually made a Hartford jersey, I’d buy one in a second![/quote]

link[/quote]

Awesome! I’m all over it. Thanks.

[quote comment=”131402″]I am a huge yankees fan and i would like to see them put names on the backs of their jerseys, anyone think that will ever happen?[/quote]
No, and nor should they.

Ever.

[quote comment=”131442″][quote comment=”131427″]
And retiring numbers has been a standard practice since the Yankees retired Lou Gehrig’s #4, but face it, some teams go way overboard there too.[/quote]

Sure do.

The Yankees are one of those clubs.[/quote]
The Celtics. End of discussion. Way too overboard with their retired numbers. They retire #1 and #2 for people who never played? Something tells me George Steinbrenner will not have a retired number just for being the owner of the Yankees. (For the record, for the same reason, I don’t care for the Trail Blazers’ retiring #77 for Dr. Jack Ramsey and the championship team. I guess the Islanders’ retiring of 739–for Al Arbour–is acceptable, as 739 is an illegal jersey number anyway.)

Man, that Browns-Chiefs pre-season uni match-up looked pretty sweet.

link.

Patch alert! An AFL patch on the Chiefs!? Any particular reason why?

Probably in memory of Lamar Hunt.

[quote comment=”131402″]I am a huge yankees fan and i would like to see them put names on the backs of their jerseys, anyone think that will ever happen?[/quote]

What kind of Yankees fan, especially a “huge” one, would ever consider putting names on the backs of Yankee jerseys?!?
As a Yankee fan, you make me sick.

[quote comment=”131465″][quote comment=”131386″][quote comment=”131334″]

In a similar vein, I never knew the Milwaukee Brewers’ link was also an “M” on top of a “B” until it was pointed out to me.[/quote]

Don’t feel bad, I must’ve seen that thing a thousand times before I noticed that.[/quote]

It was the other way around for me…

I cant believe the responses some people have to Larry Doby. Doby is just as important as Jackie Robinson. He was only a couple months behind and broke the color barrier in the AL. You have to keep in mind baseball at that time period. The AL and NL were so much more seperate than they are now. Any place Doby went the crowds were seeing a black player in the majors for the first time.

His feat should not be minimized

[quote comment=”131382″]Tulane is now a Nike school and unveiled their football jerseys today. No Nike craziness, just a classic look:

link[/quote]

This is one of the better NCAA football unis. I’ve always liked their color scheme. The stripe down the pants are great. Keep it simple stupid!

[quote comment=”131496″]Hey guys,
I know it’s late, it’s really late back east, but I saw something I loved! I was watching TV tonight, and saw the new LT Nike Zoom Commercail. I know someone else out there has seen this one. It shows LT in the new Chargers uni, and shows some good angles of it. But the point is, the NIKE guys LEFT all the RBK logo’s on the unis, so even though they were promoting their shoes, they were throwing free support out there for their biggest rivals!!!! Loved it, someone grab that!

here is a video oflink and I know someone can get it[/quote]

I don’t think Nike had much of a choice. They either had to have the player/actors wear Reebok uniforms or generic Nike uniforms. I think they went with the Reebok uniforms for a few reasons: They are trying to showcase that the shoes are being worn by pro athletes in-game; you can’t exactly see the faces of players in football gear (hence showcasing #21 in a Chargers uni is so valuble); and if someone wants a Chargers jersey or helmet, Nike can’t do much for them anyway.

Remember that Nike didn’t make the jersey for every (or possibly any) in-game shot of Michael Jordan in his commercials, either.

damn fine tulane jerseys, damn fine

I have to admit, I had NO IDEA who Larry Doby was. We were getting a number of people wanting to personalize an Indians Jerseys with the # 14 on them the last few weeks at our web store link not knowing the reason. Then I turned on the Yankee game and a light bulb went off. The cool thing I heard on the radio was that one of they guys that gave Larry Doby and Jackie Robinson grief by wanting them boycotted from the league, later was Larry Dobys grandsons college base ball coach. His grandson was on the Radio and told the story and told how he LOVED playing for him and how people do change.

Talk about IRONIC!!

[quote comment=”131540″]I have to admit, I had NO IDEA who Larry Doby was. We were getting a number of people wanting to personalize an Indians Jerseys with the # 14 on them the last few weeks at our web store link not knowing the reason. Then I turned on the Yankee game and a light bulb went off. The cool thing I heard on the radio was that one of they guys that gave Larry Doby and Jackie Robinson grief by wanting them boycotted from the league, later was Larry Dobys grandsons college base ball coach. His grandson was on the Radio and told the story and told how he LOVED playing for him and how people do change.

Talk about IRONIC!![/quote]
You work at teamdepot.com? I’ve been looking at your website for a couple of weeks now thinking about whether or not your site is a good NHL jersey customization site. Do you think you can send me a picture of a customized New York Rangers jersey just so I can make sure? Heres my email: link

[quote comment=”131480″]
[Tulane Looks] PRETTY GOOD
I am a long time Tulane fan and season ticket holder and we were hoping for some time to be free of the Nike/Broncos style of recent yeas.

Now they should get rid of the dark green helmet and return to a white helmet. Tulane plays in he Superdome and the indoor lighting makes the dark helmet and jerseys look like dark empty spaces running down the field.[/quote]

I’m disappointed that Tulane does not have a consistent athletic image. (Some teams use the T-Wave logo as the primary, some the “Tulane” wordmark as the primary; their fonts vary between block serif and san serif).

The Men’s Basketball road uniforms were awful last season: Black on Black, when Black isn’t one of their colors? link.

Have you seen that the Tulane gift shop has some retro Angry Wave t-shirts?

[quote comment=”131478″][quote comment=”131402″]I am a huge yankees fan and i would like to see them put names on the backs of their jerseys, anyone think that will ever happen?[/quote]

What kind of Yankees fan, especially a “huge” one, would ever consider putting names on the backs of Yankee jerseys?!?
As a Yankee fan, you make me sick.[/quote]

As a human being, YOU make me sick.