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When the Green Bay Packers saw how well this rider filled out a football jersey and asked him to come to training camp, Tour de France officials realized their drug testing policies might have a few holes.

[Insert your Tour de France, blood doping, drug testing, or steroids joke here.] —Vince

 
  
 
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    When Paul Gets back he should do a story on the Tour De France uniforms some of them are acctuly pretty cool

    [quote comment=”125604″]When Paul Gets back he should do a story on the Tour De France uniforms some of them are acctuly pretty cool[/quote]
    Toronto Fan, Paul actually did a link article about jersey classifications back in ’05. Can’t remember if there has been a blog entry regarding team uniforms, though.

    Boston Cannons (lacrosse) had a link. I think Lucky from the Celtics might have had an unfair advantage

    what does everybody think of the new link?
    I don’t think that they’re the worst but they’re certainly not the best

    When I used to go to watch the Packer training camp (mid 70’s era, prior to the arrival of Favre and after the Lombardi era) there were more players than kids with bikes. You could run behind your favorite player as he crushed the air out of your tires (on your Schwinn ‘banana seat’ special) without fear of getting assaulted by autograph hounds. The only obstacle was the occasional (players/coaches?) car parked in a nearly empty lot. I know, I know I sound like your grandparents but ‘those really were the days’! (Go Lynn Dickey!)

    [quote comment=”125626″]what does everybody think of the new link?
    I don’t think that they’re the worst but they’re certainly not the best[/quote]
    In a word: Busy

    Its the uniform equivalent of Minute Maid Park in Houston – a bunch of unrelated features thrown together for the hell of it.

    Someone posted a pic pf skinny Barry Bonds wearing a #7 Pirates uniform.

    Anyone know the story behind that? Was 24 already taken when he first got called up?

    [quote comment=”125636″]Someone posted a pic pf skinny Barry Bonds wearing a #7 Pirates uniform.

    Anyone know the story behind that? Was 24 already taken when he first got called up?[/quote]

    Yeah, Bob Patterson wore #24 for part of that season before eventually switching to 30.

    [quote comment=”125608″][quote comment=”125604″]When Paul Gets back he should do a story on the Tour De France uniforms some of them are acctuly pretty cool[/quote]
    Toronto Fan, Paul actually did a link article about jersey classifications back in ’05. Can’t remember if there has been a blog entry regarding team uniforms, though.[/quote]
    I’m sure he knows this by now, but I’ll throw it out here right now: that “alien” helmet is a time-trial helmet. All riders have separate gear for the time trials, where comfort, ventilation, and safety are all sacrificed in favor of aerodynamics and speed. (Note the rear wheel without spokes.)

    [quote comment=”125640″][quote comment=”125608″][quote comment=”125604″]When Paul Gets back he should do a story on the Tour De France uniforms some of them are acctuly pretty cool[/quote]
    Toronto Fan, Paul actually did a link article about jersey classifications back in ’05. Can’t remember if there has been a blog entry regarding team uniforms, though.[/quote]
    I’m sure he knows this by now, but I’ll throw it out here right now: that “alien” helmet is a time-trial helmet. All riders have separate gear for the time trials, where comfort, ventilation, and safety are all sacrificed in favor of aerodynamics and speed. (Note the rear wheel without spokes.)[/quote]
    Follow-up to myself: I doubt Mr. Lukas would find the cycling uniforms “cool.” Can you say “logo creep?”

    Notice that the Bruins and Sharks mascots have otdated uniforms…

    [quote comment=”125609″]Boston Cannons (lacrosse) had a link. I think Lucky from the Celtics might have had an unfair advantage[/quote]

    That’s actually the Worcester (MA) Sharks mascot, San Jose’s AHL Affiliate.
    [quote comment=”125644″]Notice that the Bruins and Sharks mascots have otdated uniforms…

    [quote comment=”125609″]Boston Cannons (lacrosse) had a link. I think Lucky from the Celtics might have had an unfair advantage[/quote][/quote]

    Note from Panthers Training Camp yesterday…

    Dan “the walking concussion” Morgan was sporting a Schutt DNA helmet. It’s the first I’ve seen in the NFL. hope the SKYDEX Cushioning helps him play more than 12 games this year.

    Here’s a link:

    Here’s a link to my other pics of the day at camp, although there’s nothing really interesting o note on the uni front.

    [quote comment=”125642″][quote comment=”125640″][quote comment=”125608″][quote comment=”125604″]When Paul Gets back he should do a story on the Tour De France uniforms some of them are acctuly pretty cool[/quote]
    Toronto Fan, Paul actually did a link article about jersey classifications back in ’05. Can’t remember if there has been a blog entry regarding team uniforms, though.[/quote]
    I’m sure he knows this by now, but I’ll throw it out here right now: that “alien” helmet is a time-trial helmet. All riders have separate gear for the time trials, where comfort, ventilation, and safety are all sacrificed in favor of aerodynamics and speed. (Note the rear wheel without spokes.)[/quote]
    Follow-up to myself: I doubt Mr. Lukas would find the cycling uniforms “cool.” Can you say “logo creep?”[/quote]

    I know its splitting hairs, but I see a difference between a sponsor’s logo being plastered across a cyclist or driver vs. Nike, Adidas and the like placing their logo everywhere.

    I don’t know why, but link bothers me more than link.

    [quote comment=”125626″]what does everybody think of the new link?
    I don’t think that they’re the worst but they’re certainly not the best[/quote]

    Is it just me, or does it not make players look like they’re donning a freakin’ red cape?

    I think the panthers have needed a color/ logo change for a while, and I was hoping for that to occur here. They haven’t been relevant for years, and a team in south florida should not have a red/ yellow/ navy blue color scheme.

    [quote comment=”125659″]I think the panthers have needed a color/ logo change for a while, and I was hoping for that to occur here. They haven’t been relevant for years, and a team in south florida should not have a red/ yellow/ navy blue color scheme.[/quote]
    You would maybe prefer something like link?

    The Panthers downgraded, I think. The Predators-style piping doesn’t work and, once again, gives it the apron look, though I notice it much more in Florida’s uniform. But they have a good color scheme (would have liked to see a red home jersey, though). A complaint against the Preds jersey was the T-shirt look, but upon furthur examination the Bruins away jersey has the link

    [quote comment=”125693″]New Calgary Flames JERSEY HERE:
    link
    is it just me or does the logo on the tag look like the under armour logo?

    [quote comment=”125655″][quote comment=”125626″]what does everybody think of the new link?
    I don’t think that they’re the worst but they’re certainly not the best[/quote]

    Just too many superfluous lines (piping plus stripes?) on these jerseys with no real reason for being…

    above response to Panthers new Uni’s…

    Just too many superfluous lines (piping plus stripes?) on these jerseys with no real reason for being…

    [quote comment=”125694″][quote comment=”125693″]New Calgary Flames JERSEY HERE:
    link
    is it just me or does the logo on the tag look like the under armour logo?[/quote]
    I believe thats the Canadian flag.

    Has anyone else noticed that the Indians’ Fausto Carmona still has the little MLB Authentic holographic sticker under the brim of his hat? Annoying.

    [quote comment=”125655″][quote comment=”125626″]what does everybody think of the new link?
    I don’t think that they’re the worst but they’re certainly not the best[/quote]

    Is it just me, or does it not make players look like they’re donning a freakin’ red cape?[/quote]
    It isn’t just you.

    Ditch the apron-strings.

    [quote comment=”125697″][quote comment=”125694″][quote comment=”125693″]New Calgary Flames JERSEY HERE:
    link
    is it just me or does the logo on the tag look like the under armour logo?[/quote]
    I believe thats the Canadian flag.[/quote]
    yea, i thought it could be that after i posted. do they put the country the team is in on the tag though?

    Interesting banter on the Cubs-Reds WGN broadcast. Apparently, Reds SS Dave Concepcion was issued jersey number 57 when he came up in 1970, but they couldn’t fit his name around the 57 (the Reds had those massive name letters) and they changed it to 13 in order to have enough room.

    [quote comment=”125704″][quote comment=”125697″][quote comment=”125694″][quote comment=”125693″]New Calgary Flames JERSEY HERE:
    link
    is it just me or does the logo on the tag look like the under armour logo?[/quote]
    I believe thats the Canadian flag.[/quote]
    yea, i thought it could be that after i posted. do they put the country the team is in on the tag though?[/quote]
    No, that flag tag is on all of Reebok jerseys. It signifies “Made in Canada.”

    After seeing the Panthers and Flames new unis, for the sake of my now sick stomach, PLEASE don’t post photos of the new Red Wings jerseys. My body can’t handle what they might look like

    [quote comment=”125704″][quote comment=”125697″][quote comment=”125694″][quote comment=”125693″]New Calgary Flames JERSEY HERE:
    link
    is it just me or does the logo on the tag look like the under armour logo?[/quote]
    I believe thats the Canadian flag.[/quote]
    yea, i thought it could be that after i posted. do they put the country the team is in on the tag though?[/quote]
    Nope. I have an authentic Ranger jersey and it too has the Canadian flag on the tag.

    btw: new Washington Wizards jerseys (third color tweak) showed up through the rookie photo shoots. i think it looks pretty good and it’s qutie interesting how such a relatively minor change can make such a big diff.

    link

    The Mariners v. A’s game today in Seattle is a “turn back the clock” game, with both teams wearing uniforms from the 77 season… I’m going, and I’ll try to get some hot photos for the uniwatch faithful.

    i swear to god these new hockey jerseys are disgusting..I have not seen 1 design that i liked

    calgary needs to ditch the black, they had such nice unique sweaters in the early 90’s.. those side panels just make me want to vomit… During the early 90’s and every team had a very nice basic horizonal stripe design.

    [quote comment=”125719″]i swear to god these new hockey jerseys are disgusting..I have not seen 1 design that i liked[/quote]

    I pretty much agree.

    I do like most of the Bruins changes…but they certainly don’t need the new secondary logo placed on the shoulders — too cluttered a look for their otherwise classic jerseys. The secondary logo is great, but it should not be on the jersey.

    [quote comment=”125710″][quote comment=”125704″][quote comment=”125697″][quote comment=”125694″][quote comment=”125693″]New Calgary Flames JERSEY HERE:
    link
    is it just me or does the logo on the tag look like the under armour logo?[/quote]
    I believe thats the Canadian flag.[/quote]
    yea, i thought it could be that after i posted. do they put the country the team is in on the tag though?[/quote]
    No, that flag tag is on all of Reebok jerseys. It signifies “Made in Canada.”[/quote]
    oh wow. i didnt know that. i refuse to pay that much for a jersey so ive never looked

    5th inning, EE up for the reds, he fouls one back right at the Ump. On WGN they show the replay, once the ump goes to get ready again, he flips his hat around. It’s not a real hat, it was a helmet, you could tell. it stayed solid, not floppy like a hat would. someone get this, today’s Reds Cubs game.

    Someone posted a pic pf skinny Barry Bonds wearing a #7 Pirates uniform.

    Anyone know the story behind that? Was 24 already taken when he first got called up?

    In an interview that I heard Bonds give a long time ago, he said that the Pirates gave him #7 at first because his name was Bonds and James Bond is 007. He said that Denny Gonzales wore #24 at the time and the number opened up for him after Gonzales was traded or released (I don’t remember which one it was).

    Looks like I got my answer on why the Vikings are wearing grey facemasks and the old horn logo design: they’re going to wear the throwback helmets during the Packers-Vikings game at the Dome this year, the same day Chuck Foreman gets inducted in the Vikings Ring Of Honor. They’re apparently wearing them now during traning camp to break them in.

    link;?topic=36125.msg609960;topicseen#new

    my Mariners turn back the clock today vs the Athletics, both wearing their 77 unis

    [quote comment=”125739″]Looks like I got my answer on why the Vikings are wearing grey facemasks and the old horn logo design: they’re going to wear the throwback helmets during the Packers-Vikings game at the Dome this year, the same day Chuck Foreman gets inducted in the Vikings Ring Of Honor. They’re apparently wearing them now during traning camp to break them in.

    link;?topic=36125.msg609960;topicseen#new[/quote]
    I thought it was pretty funny that there were people on that blog that couldn’t grasp that they were just breaking in the helmets for later use.

    Ubaldo Jimenez: still in backwards stirrups
    Glenallen Hill: still wearing a helmet coaching first base.

    This has been your Purple Mountains Majest(ic Athletic Apparel) update.

    [quote comment=”125730″][quote comment=”125710″][quote comment=”125704″][quote comment=”125697″][quote comment=”125694″][quote comment=”125693″]New Calgary Flames JERSEY HERE:
    link
    is it just me or does the logo on the tag look like the under armour logo?[/quote]
    I believe thats the Canadian flag.[/quote]
    yea, i thought it could be that after i posted. do they put the country the team is in on the tag though?[/quote]
    No, that flag tag is on all of Reebok jerseys. It signifies “Made in Canada.”[/quote]
    oh wow. i didnt know that. i refuse to pay that much for a jersey so ive never looked[/quote]
    I dont understand why they insist on those side panels on every new jersey. Its like they have a new toy and insist on using it any chance they get…

    [quote comment=”125654″][quote comment=”125642″][quote comment=”125640″][quote comment=”125608″][quote comment=”125604″]When Paul Gets back he should do a story on the Tour De France uniforms some of them are acctuly pretty cool[/quote]
    Toronto Fan, Paul actually did a link article about jersey classifications back in ’05. Can’t remember if there has been a blog entry regarding team uniforms, though.[/quote]
    I’m sure he knows this by now, but I’ll throw it out here right now: that “alien” helmet is a time-trial helmet. All riders have separate gear for the time trials, where comfort, ventilation, and safety are all sacrificed in favor of aerodynamics and speed. (Note the rear wheel without spokes.)[/quote]
    Follow-up to myself: I doubt Mr. Lukas would find the cycling uniforms “cool.” Can you say “logo creep?”[/quote]

    I know its splitting hairs, but I see a difference between a sponsor’s logo being plastered across a cyclist or driver vs. Nike, Adidas and the like placing their logo everywhere.

    I don’t know why, but link bothers me more than link.[/quote]

    Bothers me a lot. The Nike/Adidas/Reebok/Champion/Russell/whatever logo is a nuisance (OK, the three stripes is more so) but I hope the major sports never go the soccer or NASCAR route.

    I’m watching the Yankees-Orioles game, and I’m not sure but I think Kyle Farnsworth is wearing the same type of “bag” shirt that McLain was photographed wearing.

    [quote comment=”125733″]5th inning, EE up for the reds, he fouls one back right at the Ump. On WGN they show the replay, once the ump goes to get ready again, he flips his hat around. It’s not a real hat, it was a helmet, you could tell. it stayed solid, not floppy like a hat would. someone get this, today’s Reds Cubs game.[/quote]

    I used to do the same thing when I was umpiring. All it takes is one foul tip to get over that mask and catch the top of your head and you start looking for more protection, let me tell you.

    [quote comment=”125790″]As feared, Tony Gwynn has been memorialized as link in Cooperstown.[/quote]
    Hard to tell from that pic but it looks like they went with ‘Bald Grey Cal’ on Ripken’s plaque.

    [quote comment=”125756″]Those Flames jerseys are photoshopped and are not authentic.[/quote]
    He’s right. The Flames are actually the new Rangers jerseys horizontally flipped, then photoshopped to resemble the new Quad City Flames jerseys.

    [quote comment=”125783″][quote comment=”125654″][quote comment=”125642″][quote comment=”125640″][quote comment=”125608″][quote comment=”125604″]When Paul Gets back he should do a story on the Tour De France uniforms some of them are acctuly pretty cool[/quote]
    Toronto Fan, Paul actually did a link article about jersey classifications back in ’05. Can’t remember if there has been a blog entry regarding team uniforms, though.[/quote]
    I’m sure he knows this by now, but I’ll throw it out here right now: that “alien” helmet is a time-trial helmet. All riders have separate gear for the time trials, where comfort, ventilation, and safety are all sacrificed in favor of aerodynamics and speed. (Note the rear wheel without spokes.)[/quote]
    Follow-up to myself: I doubt Mr. Lukas would find the cycling uniforms “cool.” Can you say “logo creep?”[/quote]

    I know its splitting hairs, but I see a difference between a sponsor’s logo being plastered across a cyclist or driver vs. Nike, Adidas and the like placing their logo everywhere.

    I don’t know why, but link bothers me more than link.[/quote]

    Bothers me a lot. The Nike/Adidas/Reebok/Champion/Russell/whatever logo is a nuisance (OK, the three stripes is more so) but I hope the major sports never go the soccer or NASCAR route.[/quote]

    or the Pro Fishing route.

    link

    [quote comment=”125713″]btw: new Washington Wizards jerseys (third color tweak) showed up through the rookie photo shoots. i think it looks pretty good and it’s qutie interesting how such a relatively minor change can make such a big diff.

    link[/quote]

    I thought the Wiz blue was the normal road jersey, while the hideous gold tops with black shorts were their alternates?

    I just saw a clip from the A’s-Mariners game ’77 throwback game. The verdict: A’s are dead on with the stirrups and yellow sanis. Mariners look like dogshit with the pajama pants.

    [quote comment=”125811″][quote comment=”125756″]Those Flames jerseys are photoshopped and are not authentic.[/quote]
    He’s right. The Flames are actually the new Rangers jerseys horizontally flipped, then photoshopped to resemble the new Quad City Flames jerseys.[/quote]

    I second that.

    [quote comment=”125823″]A’s vs. Mariners throwback pics…

    link
    The Mariners have special batting helmets. Good call.
    The Athletics pitching coach has a white hat! YES! I’m about as happy as Mr. Lukas in a room full of Brannock Devices and striped stirrups!
    But for the record, in that same picture, the A’s pitcher is paying tribute to “Bananas in Pajamas.”

    [quote comment=”125823″]A’s vs. Mariners throwback pics…

    link
    Didn’t the Mariners break in with the double-knit waistband?

    [quote comment=”125821″]I just saw a clip from the A’s-Mariners game ’77 throwback game. The verdict: A’s are dead on with the stirrups and yellow sanis. Mariners look like dogshit with the pajama pants.[/quote]
    I’m quoting myself and I stand corrected. Looks like both teams had some good and some bad interpretations of a 1977 uniform.

    link 1st base coach Gary Thurman is dead-on. Ichiro is close (pants too high, tongue on cleats way too big). And no, the didn’t have the stretch waistband.

    I can’t believe Ichiro already has 1500 hits.

    Heres a question..which franchise should wear Seattle Pilot throwbacks, the Mariners or the Brewers?

    hmm..could someone explain why Ichiro and Gary Thurman appear to be wearing different stirrups in this pic?

    link

    [quote comment=”125836″]hmm..could someone explain why Ichiro and Gary Thurman appear to be wearing different stirrups in this pic?

    link
    I think Thurman just has ’em stretched all the way up so the vertical part of the stirrup gets really thin.

    and as a further note, Ichiro appears to be the only player on the M’s wearing a dark blue undershirt.

    [quote comment=”125834″]link 1st base coach Gary Thurman is dead-on. Ichiro is close (pants too high, tongue on cleats way too big). And no, the didn’t have the stretch waistband.

    I can’t believe Ichiro already has 1500 hits.[/quote]

    I like the way Ichiro is wearing his stirrups MUCH better than Thurman.

    That’s uniform perfection, IMHO…

    [quote comment=”125693″]New Calgary Flames JERSEY HERE:
    link

    Where is the NHL Shield? Also why do teams feel the need to stress that the stretch material is there? They could easily be the same color without piping identifying that it’s there, and it would look much better. It seems teams are just looking for a reason to add stripes somewhere.

    [quote comment=”125835″]Heres a question..which franchise should wear Seattle Pilot throwbacks, the Mariners or the Brewers?[/quote]

    The Mariners wore Seattle Pilots jerseys last year in a road game against San Diego.

    As the Milwaukee Brewers continue to struggle on the road, it has raised some questions with skipper Ned Yost and other Brewers… Look at what infielder Criag Counsell has to say about the Brewers jerseys.

    “”We have to win more on the road, and it’s as simple as playing better,” veteran infielder Craig Counsell said. “I mean, are we wearing different uniforms?”

    In fact, they wear the same uniforms in both places. The team overwhelmingly has chosen its navy blue alternate jerseys over the home white and road greys, because the alternates are made of a lighter, cooler material.

    “So it’s not that,” Counsell said. “I think if you look at most baseball theories, it comes down to just playing better. Performance takes care of it.”

    Why don’t they just get the Cool base uni’s in Whites and Greys? Or can a team only have one Cool Base jersey???

    [quote comment=”125841″][quote comment=”125835″]Heres a question..which franchise should wear Seattle Pilot throwbacks, the Mariners or the Brewers?[/quote]

    The Mariners wore Seattle Pilots jerseys last year in a road game against San Diego.[/quote]

    really…have to find some pics of that!

    this has probably been mentioned already, but i haven’t been able to read the blog as often as i’d like recently…

    puma made a special “No mas” shoe that is based on their special lottery party then had around the time of the nba draft.

    googling “no mas puma” will get lots of hits. here’s one:
    link

    [quote comment=”125839″][quote comment=”125834″]link 1st base coach Gary Thurman is dead-on. Ichiro is close (pants too high, tongue on cleats way too big). And no, the didn’t have the stretch waistband.

    I can’t believe Ichiro already has 1500 hits.[/quote]

    I like the way Ichiro is wearing his stirrups MUCH better than Thurman.

    That’s uniform perfection, IMHO…[/quote]
    In terms of 1977, though, Thurman is more accurate.

    [quote comment=”125823″]A’s vs. Mariners throwback pics…

    link

    dan johnson has the fake stirrup striped socks on!!! NOOOOOO!!! why would he do that to us?!?!

    Scott Gomez will wear 19 with the Rangers next year. The Rangers are selling t-shirts with that number. link

    I promised pictures from the game, but I am unable to deliver, as my friend left the camera in the car. We were watching from next to the visitor’s bullpen in Safeco, and we were pretty much the only people watching Dinardo warm up. First off, none of the Athletics had the MLB logo on the back of their hats. Secondly, most of the players were wearing real stirrups, but Dinardo was not. We heckled Dinardo while he warmed up, most of the time about his fake stirrups, but I also told him that has pants were “all wobbly” at the bottom because he wasn’t wearing real stirrups, and pointed out that his pitching coach was wearing real stirrups. Safeco is pretty strict about taunting and heckling, so we were being decently polite and not vulgar. After he got done warming up, he walked straight back at us, and then tossed the ball over the fence to me. I have to thank UniWatch for my only MLB baseball. Dinardo then gave up 6 in 3 innings.

    Regarding the M’s-A’s throwbacks…

    The good: M’s jerseys and numbers, accurate helmets; A’s jersey’s, white coaches caps.

    The bad: Both teams wore belted pants as opposed to waistbands, the M’s wore names on their backs (I don’t think they had them in ’77); A’s names appear to be arched as opposed to horizontal.

    [quote comment=”125883″]Regarding the M’s-A’s throwbacks…

    The bad: the M’s wore names on their backs (I don’t think they had them in ’77)[/quote]

    I think you’re right, only pic I could find though was this card, there doesn’t appear to be a name on the back but I’ll admit its not the best angle, obviously.

    [quote comment=”125828″][quote comment=”125823″]A’s vs. Mariners throwback pics…

    link
    Didn’t the Mariners break in with the double-knit waistband?[/quote]

    ichiro wearing stir ups… god i love that man.

    [quote comment=”125848″][quote comment=”125714″]doh
    link
    and they’re different how?[/quote]

    Addition of silver

    Iraq started the Asian Cup (soccer) wearing a mishmash of jerseys, some with the flag (in different sizes) and some with the federation badge, some with names on the back, some without, and also 2 or 3 different fonts…

    At some point, they actually got uniform uniforms and ended up winning the whole damn thing!

    The Mariners have always had names on the back of their regular-season jerseys. In the days before dedicated BP jerseys, the M’s spring training uniforms were identical to their regular season ones, with the exception of the name over the player’s number on the back; as most of the baseball card photos were taken during the spring, they don’t feature names on the jerseys.

    Majestic doesn’t produce the double-knit waistband/belt, and apparently they’re either unable or unwilling to outsource the waistband to someone else (perhaps because of their exclusive deal with MLB). The M’s did a similar Turn Back the Clock day back in 1997 vs. KC, complete with waistbands, and I believe they went with Ebbets Field Flannels. I agree the belts were disappointing, but I think they should get some points for getting the Mariner Moose in a ’77 uni too.

    The Pilots game last year was in Seattle, vs. Detroit on July 9th.

    Yeah Vince, if the NFL had the same standards as Cycling, Shawne Merriman and Shaun Rogers wouldn’t have missed four games for steroids, they’d have been gone for two years. That’s eight times as long. Cyclists are tested more often for more drugs and doping methods with much longer penalties. So yes, lets make stupid jokes about the doping cyclists. They caught three guys out of a starting field of over 180. The sport is trying harder to clean up their act than any professional sport in the world and attitudes like yours where everyone is a dirty doper, when most aren’t, are only making things worse. So unless you are actually going to say something concrete and fact based, how about you just keep your mouth shut about a sport you, apparently, don’t comprehend.

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