Saturday Open Thread

If you missed it, heres all of the official info of jerseys released so far (that post + the 2 after it):
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Includes the Canes and Kings new jerseys.

Just by looking at Maddux’s jersey, you can tell the Padres got the number font wrong. If you can’t get that right, why bother at all?

Hey, what’s with the lack of Red Sox throwback images?

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The Padres did some pretty funny stuff with the scoreboard again last night. Here is my link of the evening’s festivities.

Quite a game. It was seriously like being at a Padres away game in Petco Park.

[quote comment=”107074″]If you missed it, heres all of the official info of jerseys released so far (that post + the 2 after it):
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Includes the Canes and Kings new jerseys.[/quote]

That blog says the though the Stars jerseys are just concepts, they’re based on very detailed descriptions. I’m gonna go cry now…

The Red Sox only wore those wonderful Red caps with the blue bills from 1975 to 1978. I think that after the Buck Dent Homerun they changed the whole uniform and they lost the cap. I have never seen the Sox wear throwbacks from the 1975 era and have never reintroduced the caps which is a shame because they are great. They flirted briefly in 1974 with a three color cap such as the Padres had and it appeared (I think) on the year book but I don’t think it ever made it into a game. In 1982 the Red Sox would have been wearing blue caps.

Is Maddux wearing a sweatshirt underneath his uni?

Those Padres retros remind me of what Steve Garvey (allegedly) said after going from the Dodgers to the Padres:

“I used to look like an American flag… Now, I look like a taco!”

If the Cardinals ever have a “throwback night,” they won’t have to change their picture of manager link… he still looks the same as when he managed the link and the link… baseball’s answer to Dick Clark (or Dorian Gray!)

The Red Sox ’82 retros looked especially good (IMHO) because they used to wear navy sleeves. Varitek and Lugo, I think, were the only ones that wore red sleeves last night. Also, the ’82 Sox stirrups were the great ones with the blue and white stripes above the solid red bottom. The only Sox players to show any sock (Varitek and Timlin) had on the solid red sock that they now wear.

Ryan Rowland-Smith made his debut for the Mariners last night. According to Baseball Musings, he’s the first player with a hyphenated name in the Major leagues.

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I’m still looking for pics…

[quote comment=”107145″]Thought it was an illusion caused by how he’s standing, but Maddux’ left stirrup is backwards.[/quote]
Thank G-d he wasn’t wearing those lame-o Little League socks he normally wears.

Anyone have another link to the nhl uniforms, can’t seem to pull it up.

Found a link for the 1980s red sox jerseys as well

you can tell in the slide show that they didn’t put the S on the left shirt flap, which used to lead to that distinctive B O . S T O N effect..

Overall, a pretty weak effort for both teams given there’s plenty of photographic evidence of the era to go from. The Pads blowing off the vertical arch and the correct number font is just lame.

Ach, forgot to include the link.

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It really really pains me to say this but i dont hate the new RBK jerseys nearly as much as i want to. It seems as though they are gonna leave the original 6 teams pretty much the same and only have the newer teams with the silly nfl looking jerseys (Columbus). The Bruins jersey is pretty good except that NHL shield looks awful with the tie up there…especially undone.

I’m gonna to give my thumbs up to the LA Kings for their redesign. I always felt their sweater was a bit cluttered, and I could never remember which logo was on the home and which on the alternate. The new look is cleaned up.

Praise to the CBJ as well. If a goaltender worth his weight ever shows up in Columbus, I may just have to pick one of those up.

[quote comment=”107177″]It really really pains me to say this but i dont hate the new RBK jerseys nearly as much as i want to. It seems as though they are gonna leave the original 6 teams pretty much the same and only have the newer teams with the silly nfl looking jerseys (Columbus). The Bruins jersey is pretty good except that NHL shield looks awful with the tie up there…especially undone.[/quote]

the designs might not be bad (yet), but I still don’t like the form-fitting sweaters.

I’m a fat guy and I like my billowing hockey jerseys to wear. :>

Considering how very simple the Red Sox jerseys were back in those days, it is glaring how badly they fucked them up for that 1982 throwback game. Really plain black numbers and letters, and they still couldn’t do it even remotely right.

I link the link!!

I got a new Nebraska New Era cap yesterday, and started to perform surgery on it until I realized it was 100% cotton. I wasn’t sure if cotton would do the same thing wool does when wet. Does anyone know if i should keep going, or just try to break it in naturally? Thanks.

Alex and others who prefer their hockey jerseys roomy, I was told that replica jerseys (made under the CCM brand) are going to be produced using the same cut as they have been so the RBK Edge cut will only change authentic (under the Reebok brand) jerseys.

[quote comment=”107223″][quote comment=”107111″]More info link on the Dodgers/D-Rays throwbacks here (including a less than glowing review from tonight’s starter).[/quote]

So it seems the Dodgers will be wearing something link[/quote]

Here’s a small picture of the linkthat the Devil Rays will wear.

Dallas just posted a pic of their first selection on their site…he’s def. wearing the Star pattern jersey-

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Great slide show,Tim. The Braves are the only other stadium I’ve seen do the theme scoreboard photos (don’t get much MLB on TV in NC). It’s fun, as long as it’s not over-done.
Never seen Maddox wear an undershirt–was the retro uni made of itchy fabric?

Afraid to say it on this site, but I’m not a huge fan of stirrups, UNLESS they’re are two different colors, like in Maddux’s case and what Arizona State wore a few days ago. Then, I love them. But if there’s a white sock underneath, then…I’d really prefer soccer style.

[quote comment=”107250″][quote comment=”107240″]Dallas just posted a pic of their first selection on their site…he’s def. wearing the Star pattern jersey-

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It looks like the new Reebok panels are there… I hope so![/quote]

Except there is no NHL logo in the neck. But neither does the Kings jersey…

[quote comment=”107101″]The Padres did some pretty funny stuff with the scoreboard again last night. Here is my link of the evening’s festivities.

Quite a game. It was seriously like being at a Padres away game in Petco Park.[/quote]

That was amazing! Dodger Stadium never seems as fun and jokey. They’re so serious.

I really hate when the catchers masks (hockey style) dont match on a retro night, its quite annoying. But i guess all you can say about Barrett is at least he isnt fighting his teammates…yet.

Through the Dressed to the Nines exhibit on the HOP website, I noticed (as mentioned) that Boston changed in 1979 from the waistband style unis to the button-up jersey and belt uniforms.

Makes me wonder…of all the teams that switched to the waistband style unis in the 70s, was Boston the first club to switch back?

[quote comment=”107128″] The only Sox players to show any sock (Varitek and Timlin) had on the solid red sock that they now wear.[/quote]

David Murphy- late-nning sub- also had the high red sox going last night as well

Jerry Remy said something last night about how he wore those uniforms and they looked kind of off and how he thought both teams looked awful

I’m not totally sure how I feel about the new LA Kings Jersey’s yet…. I am a minority being a die hard kings fan. Not sure if that photo of it just lying on a chair does it justice yet. Have to wait until i see it further. But I’ll still buy one..

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Buffalo Bisons’ uniforms for Hawaiian Night

Kinda like those Hawks unis, not sold on the #zero shape and the logo looks kinda weird, but before we looked like a McDonalds team.

[quote comment=”107319″]Hey, I know I wasn’t the first on the Hawks unis, but I can be the first to supply a huge photo gallery!

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Has 20 images of home and away, plus the logo, the one on the shorts is the secondary, and the primary is the same, just red and blue.[/quote]
Kinda looks like the Nets and Bobcats unis hooked up and produced an offspring.

whoa,

the secondary logo i’m guessing is supposed to be an A for atlanta, kinda cool, its the red part

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[quote comment=”107326″]brand identity

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The primary loo looks good with navy and red (unlike what I just said before)…but how come it’s not on the unis?

According to link the Hawks’ new logo and uniform should be unveiled tomorrow!

[quote comment=”107338″]hey, i never saw this detailed image of usc’s new under armour unis, so if anyone wants to see it…

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Terrible, and they look even worse in link

Anyone notice the Hawks secondary logo has blank eyes while the primary logo does not. It’s ok to make a new secondary logo but make it match the first

Fox is showing the Astros-Rangers game. While Josh Lewin was talking to Craig Biggio in the dugout (Biggio is not playing today) Fox showed a short video montage of his milestone career hits (since he’s only 7 away from 3,000). The video showed him wearing a double flapped batting helmet when he hit his first major league hit. I don’t have a DVR, so I didn’t catch a picture. It’s interesting though because Biggio has never been a switch hitter to my knowledge.

To the guy that said the Sox uniforms looked like excrement because of the space: They had the space between BOS and TON in 1982. Then they switched to BO/STON. When they switched back to BOS/TON, that’s when they took out the space and put the T in the middle.

The U.S. women’s soccer team is playing Brazil in a friendly today and they’re wearing their new goldish-tannish alternate uniforms while Brazil is wearing blue, which is kind of disorienting. The U.S. women are also wearing navy socks but with a single diagonal thin gold stripe around the mid calf. The U.S. women are also wearing the two stars representing the two women’s World Cup wins on the back color rather than around the U.S. Soccer crest/logo on the front of the jersey.

[quote comment=”107160″]Anyone have another link to the nhl uniforms, can’t seem to pull it up.[/quote]
Its working now. The forums crashed due to all of the load from the NHL draft.

Oh by the way, the Bruins are using the reversed shoulder patch (with BOSTON in the arc) on their road uniforms.

[quote comment=”107357″]Anyone have pics of Kemmy Rogers first start of the season from yesterday? Which cap was he wearing?[/quote]

Here’s link, and you can see it’s the new ones. Also look link, and there’s a good recap of the game link.

another note on the pads/bosox game. varitek didnt have his captain C on his jersey, and willy mo pena was wearing a wristband with 26 instead of 22. just thought I’d mention it

[quote comment=”107394″]Hey, just came around link picture of Blake Brockermeyer from 1994…Anyone know what that patch is for?[/quote]

Nevermind–just realized it was a gallery of All-Americans! so that was an all american patch

I have never seen the Sox wear throwbacks from the 1975 era and have never reintroduced the caps which is a shame because they are great.

During the ’96 season (I may be off a year), the Sox wore three different home caps: the regular blue, a white cap with a blue bill and red ‘B’, and the late ’70s era red. Always blue on the road. As I recall, they wore the white caps most often at home, and only wore the reds on Sundays and holidays. Additionally, I seem to recall them wearing the red caps once or twice in throwback games.

I really hate when the catchers masks (hockey style) dont match on a retro night, its quite annoying.

Barrett used to wear the hockey style mask, then switched for the ’06 season to the old style catcher mask. He was only arrived in San Diego on Thursday. My guess he just hasn’t found or been given a proper mask yet.

[quote comment=”107378″][quote comment=”107185″]I’m gonna to give my thumbs up to the LA Kings for their redesign. I always felt their sweater was a bit cluttered, and I could never remember which logo was on the home and which on the alternate. The new look is cleaned up.

Praise to the CBJ as well. If a goaltender worth his weight ever shows up in Columbus, I may just have to pick one of those up.[/quote]

That’s not really new and definitely NOT the RBK jersey. The Kings switched to the simpler logo about two years ago. Also, the Dallas jersey is the old one. The creases make it look like the RBK model. The Isles and Canucks also gave their picks old jerseys.

To tell the truth, I think we all got hoodwinked by some “inside sources” since no teams past Boston and Columbus had the energy to even leak a tease.[/quote]
Oh no, the link alright.

I don’t follow hockey at all, so forgive me if this is a bad question, but are all NHL teams modifying their uniforms this season? If so, why?

The only bad question is the one you don’t ask. Okay, Reebok has designed a new “uniform system” that all NHL teams will wear beginning this upcoming season. The fact they call it a “uniform system” is merely a triumph of the marketer’s art. The jerseys (or, as hockey fans refer to them, “sweaters”) are made of a combination of mesh and moisture-wicking materials, and are lighter and tighter than the previous jerseys. The pants are tighter, and reportedly have more protection for the kidney area, among other things. The socks are no longer knit polyester, but a spandex-type material, which should help keep the lower leg pads in place. In test-wearings (such as the 2007 All-Star Game), the players loved the moisture-wicking properties of the material.

The NHL teams are taking the opportunity to unveil new designs (and sell more merchandise). Not all teams will have new designs; some have only made slight changes, about five or six teams will have all new designs.

In Milwaukee tonight, the Brewers are wearing link Milwaukee Bears unis (the ones on the left, natch). Couldn’t find great pics of the Monarch jerseys the Royals are wearing, but it’s link with link.

Pinstripes and high socks galore — now THIS is what God intended baseball uniforms to look like.

Barrett used to wear the hockey style mask, then switched for the ‘06 season to the old style catcher mask. He was only arrived in San Diego on Thursday. My guess he just hasn’t found or been given a proper mask yet.

Well, actually Barrett started wearing the hockey style mask again this year when he came back after his little scuffle with Zambrano. So he has been wearing it for a week or two, but before then he had been wearing the old style mask. You can see in the main photo it has a SD on it, so who knows if he will continue wearing that one or switch back to the old style mask.

Yeah, I’m disappointed they are wearing their normal batting helmets. But I love those black pinstripe unis with the cuffed pants. Somewhere Buck O’Neil is smiling.

Uh, I meant to say Red Sox referring to post 98. And what’s with the eye-talics?

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Also, if you watch Fox and catch the cable car ads for the All-Star Game, watch carefully and you’ll see some creative ad wizard trying to convince us that Vlad Guerrero wears visible stirrups.

[quote comment=”107346″]I don’t follow hockey at all, so forgive me if this is a bad question, but are all NHL teams modifying their uniforms this season? If so, why?[/quote]

yes and no, and here’s the explanation

Reebok (RBK) designed a new fabric that was super stretchy and waterproof, so they designed a super tight “form-fitting” jersey that made players faster (i think they measured 9% faster…wow [sarcasm]). the photos of the prototypes are down, but they were absurdly tight and looked terrible. but because NHL commissioner gary bettman is a complete tool (link)
was all for this, including RBK’s idea of having every NHL team change to one of 10 “template jerseys”, none of which had horizontal stripes (something near and dear to hockey jersey fans).
The NHL owners voted this down for a few years (the Nike Swift jerseys [the olympic jerseys in the video] showed what wearing template jerseys looks absolutely terrible), until they were somehow forced to accept them for this coming season, so every team “designed” a new jersey. everybody was outraged, players and fans, but it seemed nobody could stop it…until basketball players rose up and rejected their new ball. (THANK YOU NBA!!!) when that happened, RBK worried that their jerseys would be rejected outright and they’d lose all sorts of money, so they “toned down” the fit and the templates. When the players still seemed to complain about the all-star jerseys, they toned the fit down to what we see now (only slightly tighter than the old jerseys) and they eliminated the templates.
Hockey fans were extremely happy, and teams like the Montreal Canadiens (who’ve worn almost the same sweater since 1917) were rejoicing. However, many teams put a lot of money into new designs (the maple leafs had a new “3D” logo designed), so they decided to change anyway. This worked out for teams like the Capitals, who wanted to return to the old colors anyways, and the Bruins, who couldn’t seem to do well in their jerseys.
So 6 teams are estimated to have logo changes, and it’s not sure how many teams will change their jersey’s layout. However, technically every team will change at least how their jersey fits, and probably all will have different collars that feature the NHL logo on it. Many of these new designs will be based on the templates, which is obvious with the multitudes of verticle stripes and minimalized of horizontal stripes on the bottom (tucking jerseys was tested, which the players protested against, RBK explained that away saying that tucked jerseys trapped too much heat, but i wouldn’t say that the idea is gone just yet), and this is very apparent with the capitals and the blue jackets. supposedly the Florida Panthers were the first team to embrace the templates, and their jersey waits to be seen (the teaser pic on their site is blinding, by the way).

so in short, yes every team is changing (probably), a minority of them will be noticible changes, 6 will be logo changes.

sorry about the italics. i think i left them open in my first post

YES!!!

Love the Oregon State unis, but I just can’t visually reconcile the difference between hat font/design and jersey lettering/numbering.

And when did the Sox wear a white hat???

During the 1997 season. The SoSH says wiki says:

For a few games in 1997, the Sox showcased two alternate caps… One was white with a red “B” and a blue bill. This one was worn perhaps only once. The other was a red cap with a red bill, very similar to the caps worn in by the 1975 team, with the lone difference being the “B”, which was white in the 1997 version. This red cap was worn more often than the white cap.

I’m sure this is incorrect. They wore the white hat more often than not that season (home games only) and hardly ever wore the reds. The detail about the white ‘B’ may be right, though.

WAY TO GO JASON!!!! YEA! how did you do it. I thought i could, but i guess not.

I figured if I just used the end italics command a bunch of times at the end of the quote from the begining of my post, the html gods would understand how emphatic I was.

[quote comment=”107366″]The U.S. women’s soccer team is playing Brazil in a friendly today and they’re wearing their new goldish-tannish alternate uniforms while Brazil is wearing blue, which is kind of disorienting. The U.S. women are also wearing navy socks but with a single diagonal thin gold stripe around the mid calf. The U.S. women are also wearing the two stars representing the two women’s World Cup wins on the back color rather than around the U.S. Soccer crest/logo on the front of the jersey.[/quote]

I just got back from the game (ok I don’t live that far away, I was at the fair in the parking afterwards) and those uniforms look worse in person than they do in the pictures I saw the other day. I don’t know how they came across on TV, but they were actually shimmering. Very Solid Gold dancer-esque. I didn’t mind the socks too much. They actually had a thin red stripe on top of the gold. The red and gold were echoed in the shorts as well. But those shirts were horrendous.

I have quite a few photos to go through from both games. I’ll try to post them later tonight.

A couple of things:

I think all of the photos I saw of the Bruins new sweater before the Draft never showed the bottom of them. The “new coach” photos I saw never went down far enough and the ones on the wooden forms had the bottoms tucked in so when I finally saw it at the Draft I was a little disappointed with how the whole package looked. The stripes are positioned an inch or two (it varies due to the curve at the bottom edge) from the edge giving it a bit of the cheap replica look that I remember from my younger days – when replicas were rarely very close to the regular unis with tacked on stripes and numbers with blocky fonts if they had numbers at all. It just didn’t look as good as I was expecting.

The new gold US women’s jersey looks pretty bad. Why the heck did they put the 2 World Cup stars on the back of the neck??? Very odd choice. The blue is way too dark. It should have been brighter to have a better effect. That alone wouldn’t have saved them though. Gold, no matter how freakin’ shiny they make the material, always looks a little drab to me. Well, maybe excepting Eric Heiden’s gold suit from the Olympics a while back.

Oh, and that Fred Norman card is from 1973 so the photo is probably from 1972. I’ve never seen a good close-up of that hat and I’ve always wondered how it was made – the color inset into the brown or just some extra material sewn over it. I’d expect the latter.

[quote comment=”107343″][quote comment=”107338″]hey, i never saw this detailed image of usc’s new under armour unis, so if anyone wants to see it…

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Terrible, and they look even worse in link[/quote]

USC uniforms, don’t they look like this:
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I got a new Nebraska New Era cap yesterday, and started to perform surgery on it until I realized it was 100% cotton. I wasn’t sure if cotton would do the same thing wool does when wet. Does anyone know if i should keep going, or just try to break it in naturally? Thanks.

[quote comment=”107533″][quote comment=”107498″]And when did the Sox wear a white hat???

During the 1997 season. The SoSH says wiki says:

For a few games in 1997, the Sox showcased two alternate caps… One was white with a red “B” and a blue bill. This one was worn perhaps only once. The other was a red cap with a red bill, very similar to the caps worn in by the 1975 team, with the lone difference being the “B”, which was white in the 1997 version. This red cap was worn more often than the white cap.

I’m sure this is incorrect. They wore the white hat more often than not that season (home games only) and hardly ever wore the reds. The detail about the white ‘B’ may be right, though.[/quote]

The red hat had a blue bill with a white B. I always thought they wore the red more often, although I wouldn’t be surprised at all to hear I’m wrong.[/quote]

The wiki is correct. The white hats made no more than a couple of apperances. No real reason was given as to why they were not worn more often.

My friends and I think it’s because, in a picture of infamous Boston mobster James “Whitey” Bulger that was often used at that time, it was the sytle of hat he was wearing.

The red and blue hat made a few more apperances.

[quote comment=”107299″]New ATL Hawks unis

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Huge improvement. I’m lukewarm on the home, but I love the road.

Have to comment on the Hawks jerseys. I love ’em. As one of the weirdos who always hated red and gold combos (only the Niners, really, and sort of the Redskins, ever pulled it off in my estimation) I think this is a massive, massive improvement. The team needed to get away from their previous identity, and if they couldn’t change the name, players, coach, ownership, and city, then by damn, changing the uniform, logo, and colors would be a good start. Good for them.

I really like those raised portions inside the numbers on the Hawks’ jerseys. They make the numbers look engraved, and in a much better style than what the Rockets used to do.

But what’s the deal with the silly team logo on the back collar? Lots of teams are doing that and it just looks silly. It also pushes the names and numbers down, making them harder to see.

Ditch the mini-logos!

[quote comment=”107498″]And when did the Sox wear a white hat???

During the 1997 season. The SoSH says wiki says:

For a few games in 1997, the Sox showcased two alternate caps… One was white with a red “B” and a blue bill. This one was worn perhaps only once. The other was a red cap with a red bill, very similar to the caps worn in by the 1975 team, with the lone difference being the “B”, which was white in the 1997 version. This red cap was worn more often than the white cap.

I’m sure this is incorrect. They wore the white hat more often than not that season (home games only) and hardly ever wore the reds. The detail about the white ‘B’ may be right, though.[/quote]

Wasn’t the white hat their Sunday hat? All I remember is them being referred to as the good humor men on sports center whenever they wore them.

Even though I always associate the Hawks unis as being predominately red (late 70’s) and later red and yellow (early 80’s and beyond). I have to revaluate after looking through some old basketball cards / photos. It seems like Atlanta has used most of the rainbow in their unis. Consider the Lou Hudson era, baby blue with red and royal blue trim (late 60’s) and the Pete Maravich era lime green and royal blue (early 70’s). My point is change is nothing new for the Hawks. As a matter of fact they began as the Milwaukee Hawks (any idea what those uni colors were ?) who became the St. Louis Hawks (ditto as above ?)and finally the Atlanta Hawks.

[quote comment=”107402″]I have never seen the Sox wear throwbacks from the 1975 era and have never reintroduced the caps which is a shame because they are great.

During the ’96 season (I may be off a year), the Sox wore three different home caps: the regular blue, a white cap with a blue bill and red ‘B’, and the late ’70s era red. Always blue on the road. As I recall, they wore the white caps most often at home, and only wore the reds on Sundays and holidays. Additionally, I seem to recall them wearing the red caps once or twice in throwback games.

I really hate when the catchers masks (hockey style) dont match on a retro night, its quite annoying.

Barrett used to wear the hockey style mask, then switched for the ’06 season to the old style catcher mask. He was only arrived in San Diego on Thursday. My guess he just hasn’t found or been given a proper mask yet.[/quote]

Barrett was wearing the old mask this year until the Zambrano fight, when he got his lip cut up he went hockey style to keep pressure off the lip, once its fully healed he’ll probably go back to the old style.

My rankings of the new NHL jerseysso far?

1. Boston Bruins. Wins most improved. Should have gone gold/black/white/black/gold on white jerseys though.
2. Columbus. Nice upgrade.
3. Los Angeles. Meh. More purple.
4. Carolina. Nice.
5. NY Islanders. Someone stop Charles Wang before he ruins the unis again!
6. Washington Crapitals. Bites, blows, stinks and sucks at once. Major downgrade with logo, colors. Should have kept Cobalt Blue, bronze or gone to gold and used “Eagle W” with red trim.