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Paul, you could of at least said something nice about the Giants uni’s. I mean, the Mets are supposed to be half Giants and half Dodgers right? Sorry the Giants gave you the black part, but at least the Giants uniforms look nice.

As for Celtic, just be glad they didn’t put in the big link in the empty stands at Celtic Park!

I think Frank’s video of the Cubs-Expos game is from 1987. Didn’t Andre Dawson play in that game?

Like Alabama in the Ticker article, Oklahoma (OU) has released their Nike “Endline” series coaches shirts as well (with the football stitching on the collar); however, note that they have doomed us all and produced a BLACK version to go with the traditional Red and White (or Crimson and Cream to be really correct):

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You will have to scroll down a bit on the pages to see the shirts.

I posted this yesterday, but it got lost in the comments section…I felt a repost was in order!

Some interesting things out of NCAA lacrosse action this weekend, where Johns Hopkins won its 9th NCAA and 44th overall National title:
Cornell was sporting some link.

Hopkins wore their link for the championship game against Duke, and their link for the semifinal against Delaware.

If you look closely at the second Hopkins picture, you’ll notice an aspect of the uniform that made an appearance throughout the weekend, and has generated a bit of buzz on both the link and especially the link. The Hopkins helmets featured link (link). As an alumni member of the Hopkins band, I’ve seen nearly every Hopkins lacrosse game over the past five years, and was familiar with the fact that such a logo existed (and was created in the 1960’s), but had never seen it on the helmet until this weekend’s games. It’s really an amazing looking logo (especially if you’re fond of retro cartoon logos), and echoes the general trend I’ve seen of teams embracing their old cartoon logos (like the link and link).

Seeing the ballgirl in the Cubs video reminds me of the greatest ballgirl of all time, the great Marla Collins. I would watch Cubs games in the 1980s just to see her.

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[quote comment=”94741″]Speaking of soccer, does anybody know the difference between soccer socks, baseball socks, and white sanitaries?[/quote]

Soccer socks are often much longer than baseball socks, as they are usually folded to the length desired (and to hold the shin guards in). Baseball socks are basically standard. Sanitaries are very thin, as they’re designed to be layered.

Re lax finals: Hopkins’ blue unis also have the Swoosh under the collar, but in a less obvious white. the helmet logo really bothered me, as the coaching staff’s shirts and all other JHU logos were the stylized BlueJay logo. And both teams (Duke and JHU) wore black warmup shirts. also, UNC wore socks with the interlocking UNC logo when they lost to Duke.

Paul, you could be right, but they could also be referring to Hubie no longer being on the team; not just out with an injury.

Another 1987-only guy who I remember playing in the Bill Murray game was Alonzo Powell. All 14 of his games with the Expos were in 1987. He never amounted to much in the majors, but he later came to Japan and played with distinction for several seasons.

Here’s the problem with the Celtic throwback:

Celtic is one of those ‘classic’ teams that really haven’t done much with their shirts over the last century or so. And sponsorship is to a point where the team can’t even change the number font to match because the league likely has a standard sponsored number kit, and it seems unlikely that a sponsor (who’s forked over a ton of cash) would let the team have logo free shirts.

The more interesting goalkeeper aspect is that back then goalkeepers could only wear solid yellow, red, or green shirts. Black was for officials.

[quote comment=”94744″]Like Alabama in the Ticker article, Oklahoma (OU) has released their Nike “Endline” series coaches shirts as well (with the football stitching on the collar); however, note that they have doomed us all and produced a BLACK version to go with the traditional Red and White (or Crimson and Cream to be really correct):

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You will have to scroll down a bit on the pages to see the shirts.[/quote]

Leaving aside that black is not an OU color, the shirt with the black on it is just plain ugly.

[quote comment=”94761″]Here’s the problem with the Celtic throwback:

Celtic is one of those ‘classic’ teams that really haven’t done much with their shirts over the last century or so. And sponsorship is to a point where the team can’t even change the number font to match because the league likely has a standard sponsored number kit, and it seems unlikely that a sponsor (who’s forked over a ton of cash) would let the team have logo free shirts.

The more interesting goalkeeper aspect is that back then goalkeepers could only wear solid yellow, red, or green shirts. Black was for officials.[/quote]

they could revert to the old number styling for cup/ non league matches.

[quote comment=”94768″][quote comment=”94761″]Here’s the problem with the Celtic throwback:

Celtic is one of those ‘classic’ teams that really haven’t done much with their shirts over the last century or so. And sponsorship is to a point where the team can’t even change the number font to match because the league likely has a standard sponsored number kit, and it seems unlikely that a sponsor (who’s forked over a ton of cash) would let the team have logo free shirts.

The more interesting goalkeeper aspect is that back then goalkeepers could only wear solid yellow, red, or green shirts. Black was for officials.[/quote]

they could revert to the old number styling for cup/ non league matches.[/quote]

Good thought. That would also be appropriate since it’s a European Cup winning team that they’re celebrating, so reverting to the old font for those matches would be a clever tribute.

I think Celtic’s kits aren’t supposed to be throwbacks, just commemoratives. It’s not referred to as a throwback in the link. There’s simply a link, like when American football teams wear anniversary patches.

[quote comment=”94770″][quote comment=”94768″][quote comment=”94761″]Here’s the problem with the Celtic throwback:

Celtic is one of those ‘classic’ teams that really haven’t done much with their shirts over the last century or so. And sponsorship is to a point where the team can’t even change the number font to match because the league likely has a standard sponsored number kit, and it seems unlikely that a sponsor (who’s forked over a ton of cash) would let the team have logo free shirts.

The more interesting goalkeeper aspect is that back then goalkeepers could only wear solid yellow, red, or green shirts. Black was for officials.[/quote]

they could revert to the old number styling for cup/ non league matches.[/quote]

Good thought. That would also be appropriate since it’s a European Cup winning team that they’re celebrating, so reverting to the old font for those matches would be a clever tribute.[/quote]
A clever idea would be to wear that old font (on the shirts, however) for Champions League matches this year. The only problem is that Celtic is required to link the hoops on their backs for CL Matches.

The black/blue caps, unveiled in ’98, are just the ’97 white caps with a black crown. The logo on those caps, the white and the black, matched what was at the time the script on the Mets’ jerseys, i.e., blue outlined in orange, but when designing the black alternate jerseys for ’98 they probably found that the regular blue/orange script didn’t look good against a black background, or at least that the redesigned blue/white outline/orange drop-shadow script looked better. (Note also that the black jerseys in ’98 still had the original Mets’ blue skyline logo patch on the sleeve.) They wore the black/blue caps with the black jerseys in ’98, home and away, but the problem was that for absolutely no good reason, instead of replacing the plain white alternates with the black they kept them, added a black drop-shadow to the script, and as the season wore on started wearing the black caps with those as well (same for the road greys). The pinstripes still had the regular Mets script (no black drop-shadow) and were only worn with the blue caps.

For ’99, since as Paul pointed out the logo on the two-tone caps didn’t match the script on the black jerseys, they designed a logo that did, hence the solid black caps (they also added the black “NEW YORK” jersey that year, and the redesigned black skyline logo patch). The pinstripes took on the black drop-shadow and started being worn, albeit rarely, with the two black caps, even more rarely with the blue.

The point is that the black/blue cap and the plain white uniform both became completely unnecessary and expendable when the black jerseys and solid black caps were added, but not only did the Mets keep them, they wear them all the time.

Paul is correct that there’s a reason this topic keeps coming up. It’s frustrating as both Mets fans and uni watchers to see that none of this makes any sense, and worse yet, after nine years, THE METS STILL DON’T GET IT and we can’t seem to do anything about it. Not even the “Ditch the Black” campaign helped; the Mets are wearing blue caps less often this year than they did last year.

While this is all nice and dandy, the fact is that those of us who are not Mets fans are fucking sick of all the Mets talk on this website. The uniforms that they wear from night to night are not that bad. So they have black jerseys? who cares? I understand that this is a uniform website, but we know how people feel about the black Uni’s, we know how people feel about the Mets, it’s time to just shut the fuck up already.

[quote comment=”94764″]I just noticed that the Argentine flags on the players did not have a sun?[/quote]

I’m not 100% sure about Argentina, but several South American countries have civilian and government flags. The government flags usually have some kind of symbol in the middle which is omitted on the civilian flags. It is usually against the law to fly the government flag outside of government buildings, etc.

[quote comment=”94783″]While this is all nice and dandy, the fact is that those of us who are not Mets fans are fucking sick of all the Mets talk on this website. The uniforms that they wear from night to night are not that bad. So they have black jerseys? who cares? I understand that this is a uniform website, but we know how people feel about the black Uni’s, we know how people feel about the Mets, it’s time to just shut the fuck up already.[/quote]Must be a Yankee fan in a bad mood from being 14 games out.

I say give the guy a break. It’s gotta be hard to find something to write about every day of the week when you can write about anything, but Paul is narrowing that scope down to something specific, very specific, so if he fills voids of what to talk about with what he knows best, his Mets, so be it. It’s better than having to look at those ugly D-backs jerseys every day.

[quote comment=”94736″]Paul, you could of at least said something nice about the Giants uni’s. I mean, the Mets are supposed to be half Giants and half Dodgers right? Sorry the Giants gave you the black part, but at least the Giants uniforms look nice.[/quote]
Armando Benitez in any uniform looks like shit.

[quote comment=”94783″]While this is all nice and dandy, the fact is that those of us who are not Mets fans are fucking sick of all the Mets talk on this website. The uniforms that they wear from night to night are not that bad. So they have black jerseys? who cares? I understand that this is a uniform website, but we know how people feel about the black Uni’s, we know how people feel about the Mets, it’s time to just shut the fuck up already.[/quote]

You know…I don’t like soccer. Never have and never will, I couldn’t care less about their kits or what they look like. However this is a site dedicated to all uniforms and the aesthetics of them. When people talk about soccer or rugby or other things I don’t care about I simply don’t read it.

It’s like when there is a program on TV and I don’t like it…I change the channel.

So, you have three options:
1) Go to a different site (bad option),
2) Don’t read the comments about the mets (bad option),
3) Start a discussion on what you would like to talk about (Ding ding ding…we have a winner.).

The white Sox Shorts pics still make me cringe. Looking at the wide 70’s lapel (What the !@#$%^&* is a LAPEL doing on a modern baseball uniform!?!?!?) reminds me of the old Cheap Seats line – “That year, the White Sox uniform came with a matching sportcoat”

I generally enjoy the discussions on here but I do find my eyes glaze over when the anti-black discussion appears in full force. It’s not that I disagree, I absolutely detest the trend toward black where it does not belong, it’s just that it is a lot listening my father-in-law tell the same story over and over.

Maybe it’s my bitter anti-Yankeeness, but I’m not one to complain about the Mets uniform issues (and they do have issues). Those who want to come in and drop f-bombs over the issue of the day badly need to get a grip on reality. Issues close to home are fine. Remember, the blogger is from Brooklyn (Queens? sorry if I goof it up ,Paul).
I wil say, though, it would be nice if the Met’s uniforms were, well, UNIFORM.

[quote comment=”94736″]Paul, you could of at least said something nice about the Giants uni’s. I mean, the Mets are supposed to be half Giants and half Dodgers right? Sorry the Giants gave you the black part, but at least the Giants uniforms look nice.[/quote]

Sorry, but the Mets did not inherit the color black from the old New York Giants. They took the old “NY” cap insignia and the color orange from the Giants. That’s it. The blue is from the Dodgers and the pinstripes honor the Yankees.

Black came about in 1997 to sell merchandise, not to honor the Giants’ history or baseball in any way.

Hat modification buffs: link

Here’s a photo of the Cardinals’ Low A team (Swing of the Quad Cities) who rock the stirrups as a team. However it looks like Brad Furnish may have missed the loop when putting his on…

ok…. that link thing isnt working so here it is

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[quote comment=”94806″][quote comment=”94798″][quote comment=”94792″][quote comment=”94736″]Paul, you could of at least said something nice about the Giants uni’s. I mean, the Mets are supposed to be half Giants and half Dodgers right? Sorry the Giants gave you the black part, but at least the Giants uniforms look nice.[/quote]
Armando Benitez in any uniform looks like shit.[/quote]
At least his name is fun to say though.[/quote]

Not if you’re a Giant fan. 4.66 ERA and he’s the closer? The worst part is our starters are pretty solid, Zito, Morris, Cain, and Lowry. All good pitchers and our new kid Lincecum, leading up to Benitez? TWO BALKS? Some guys so all season without ONE and he gets two in one game.[/quote]

Try 2 balks in ONE INNING.
Now you know how it felt to be a Mets fan in the 2000 World Series and after. When Benietez would enter a game, you could feel your heart drop and know something bad was about to happen. I remember screaming at the TV during a subway series gae that he blew in 2002, “THROW A !@#$%^&* STRIKE, YOU@#$%^&*!!” Yes, throwing a baseball close to 100mph is a talent, but you need mental fortitude to be a closer. 7 years after proving that he doesn’t have it (possibly 11 thanks to Jeffrey Maier?), a major leagur team is still trusting him to close games?!? unbelieveable. Even Byung-Hung Kim is only allowed to start.

[quote comment=”94791″][quote comment=”94787″][quote comment=”94783″]While this is all nice and dandy, the fact is that those of us who are not Mets fans are fucking sick of all the Mets talk on this website. The uniforms that they wear from night to night are not that bad. So they have black jerseys? who cares? I understand that this is a uniform website, but we know how people feel about the black Uni’s, we know how people feel about the Mets, it’s time to just shut the fuck up already.[/quote]Must be a Yankee fan in a bad mood from being 14 games out.[/quote]

14.5 haha

at least they’re still tied with the devil rays for last.[/quote]
Being a Yankee fan has nothing to do with it, and for the record, 2 f-bombs isnt dropping f-bombs all over the place. In fact, I like watching the mets, go to many of their games and wasn’t bashing the post of the day at all. It was the fact that one mention of the mets, whether it has to do with black or not starts a day-long debate about ditching the black. Get over it, they are a major league team and can do whatever they want. When’s the last time a fan petition led to the changing of a uniform? Which brings up another point. Has there ever been an official petition to Ditch the Black? Why not draw something up, have everyone who wants to sign it, and then send it to the team. If nothing else, it may gain recognition for the site. The fact is that I love this website, and have been reading since day one. I was simply voicing my frustration with the constant complaining about the Mets.

Check out this killer shot of young Tony LaRussa in green and gold Kansas City A’s togs, complete with enormous white sleeve numbers, ca. 1963-4.

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[quote comment=”94820″][quote comment=”94805″]I generally enjoy the discussions on here but I do find my eyes glaze over when the anti-black discussion appears in full force.[/quote]

For the record: Today’s post has nothing to do with black (or the ditching thereof) per se. It’s about a confused cap logo situation and a genuine manufacturer’s glitch at the major league level.

I’m gonna be away from the computer for most of the rest of the day — let’s please keep things civil while I’m gone, yes? Yes.[/quote]
We’ll play nice.

[quote comment=”94783″]While this is all nice and dandy, the fact is that those of us who are not Mets fans are fucking sick of all the Mets talk on this website. The uniforms that they wear from night to night are not that bad. So they have black jerseys? who cares? I understand that this is a uniform website, but we know how people feel about the black Uni’s, we know how people feel about the Mets, it’s time to just shut the fuck up already.[/quote]
Paul,

Just FYI. I’m a Cubs fan down in South Louisiana…and I COMPLETELY agree about the Mets and understand your disgust with the situation.

And, even though many of the topics that YOU yourself discuss in YOUR daily blog postings, we get a daily dose of many things non-Mets through the comments section.

So keep up the good work and to hell with other people that tell you how to write YOUR blog.

[quote comment=”94836″]Check out this killer shot of young Tony LaRussa in green and gold Kansas City A’s togs, complete with enormous white sleeve numbers, ca. 1963-4.

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Not to nitpick but they were “officially” know as the Athletics and the uniform, even though it’s hard to see, mearly had an “A” and not the “A’s” that we are currently used to now.

[quote comment=”94848″]So I tried my hand at creating a new mets home link jersey which should be worn only for Sunday home games. I would also go nameless on the back, but I didn’t photoshop that.

I followed a few basic principles to create this:

– The alternate jersey should be distinguishable from the normal jersey. link is just link minus the pinstripes and plus blue piping.

– I like Mr. Met.

– I really like the classic look of the link, link, link, and link.

The jersey might look better with no numbers on the front. I haven’t made up my mind on that yet. In my mind it’s certainly an improvement over the current state of affairs.[/quote]

Very nice…what if we even took it a step further and made it the same off white that the Giants wear at home?

I generally enjoy the discussions on here but I do find my eyes glaze over when the anti-black discussion appears in full force.

For the record: Today’s post has nothing to do with black (or the ditching thereof) per se. It’s about a confused cap logo situation and a genuine manufacturer’s glitch at the major league level.

I do understand the nature of the post; what I referred to was the way the discussion that derives from the daily post has a tendency to become repetitively and reflexively anti-black, anti-Nike, or anti-purple. I myself happen to be generally anti-each of those colours and apathetic about Nike but I was simply pointing out an irritant of mine.

On the positive side here is a sweet photo of the Junction City (OR) Reds link

This happens to be the hometown of Hall of Famer Bobby Doerr though I don’t know if he had anything to do with them.

[quote comment=”94789″]Last night in the top of the first inning (I think) Astros catcher Brad Ausmus had to remove his belt and throw it into the dugout. I heard this on the radio while driving, so I didn’t see it. Did anyone see this last night?[/quote]

a search of the web has no mention of this. you should e-mail allison footer–beat writer for MLB with the Astros–and ask her to look into it.

[quote comment=”94848″]So I tried my hand at creating a new mets home link jersey which should be worn only for Sunday home games. I would also go nameless on the back, but I didn’t photoshop that.

I followed a few basic principles to create this:

– The alternate jersey should be distinguishable from the normal jersey. link is just link minus the pinstripes and plus blue piping.

– I like Mr. Met.

– I really like the classic look of the link, link, link, and link.

The jersey might look better with no numbers on the front. I haven’t made up my mind on that yet. In my mind it’s certainly an improvement over the current state of affairs.[/quote]

Nice Job, I like it too.

[quote comment=”94791″][quote comment=”94787″][quote comment=”94783″]While this is all nice and dandy, the fact is that those of us who are not Mets fans are fucking sick of all the Mets talk on this website. The uniforms that they wear from night to night are not that bad. So they have black jerseys? who cares? I understand that this is a uniform website, but we know how people feel about the black Uni’s, we know how people feel about the Mets, it’s time to just shut the fuck up already.[/quote]Must be a Yankee fan in a bad mood from being 14 games out.[/quote]

14.5 haha

at least they’re still tied with the devil rays for last.[/quote]
But, the Rays own the season series so far 3-1… putting the Yankees at the bottom of the standings.

RE: Comment #76

In case you don’t see it–scroll down on the link for the full story.

[quote comment=”94815″][quote comment=”94806″][quote comment=”94798″][quote comment=”94792″][quote comment=”94736″]Paul, you could of at least said something nice about the Giants uni’s. I mean, the Mets are supposed to be half Giants and half Dodgers right? Sorry the Giants gave you the black part, but at least the Giants uniforms look nice.[/quote]
Armando Benitez in any uniform looks like shit.[/quote]
At least his name is fun to say though.[/quote]

Not if you’re a Giant fan. 4.66 ERA and he’s the closer? The worst part is our starters are pretty solid, Zito, Morris, Cain, and Lowry. All good pitchers and our new kid Lincecum, leading up to Benitez? TWO BALKS? Some guys so all season without ONE and he gets two in one game.[/quote]
Just remember: Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano and Boof Bonser for AJ Pierzynski. I don’t think the Giants ever even tried Nathan in the Closer role. That hurts.[/quote]
As my friends will tell you, I’m a twins hater mainly for the fairweather twin city fans. I worked there in the summer of 2002 and at the beginning of the season those games were empty. Why they started winning, it was terrible seeing all these “hardcore fans”. My question is why are Bonser and Liriano always mentioned in that trade? Liriano is gonna be a Kerry Wood (talent beyond belief, but always hurt) and Bonser is marginal at best.

I just saw this on deadspin. Some guy had Mr. Met come to his birthday party.

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Mr. Met was wearing a hat that even the Mets don’t wear!

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At least in this pic, taken at Fenway Park last year, he’s wearing a hat that they do wear…….

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[quote comment=”94840″][quote comment=”94833″]I was simply voicing my frustration with the constant complaining about the Mets.[/quote]

You consider telling Paul to “shut the fuck up” to be simply voicing your frustration? Sounds pretty rude to me.[/quote]
Had you read my post, you would have seen that my initial comment wasn’t directed towards Paul.

[quote comment=”94865″]I just saw this on deadspin.

linkMr. met is wearing an old BP hat from 2005 0r 2006.

Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but the Cubs’ Jason Marquis doesn’t use a “Q” in his last name on his jersey, but instead an “O”. I can’t seem to dig up any photos from last night, but I was able to pause the TiVo and take a pretty close look, and it doesn’t really look like there’s anything at all coming off the “O” like there was in StL.

[quote comment=”94790″]I say give the guy a break. It’s gotta be hard to find something to write about every day of the week when you can write about anything, but Paul is narrowing that scope down to something specific, very specific, so if he fills voids of what to talk about with what he knows best, his Mets, so be it. It’s better than having to look at those ugly D-backs jerseys every day.[/quote]

Ok, so you hate it when somebody rips on your precious Mets, but you can still rip on the D-backs whenever you want?? That’s pretty stupid if you ask me. But seriously, would you rather want to see the Mets in all black, or the Dbacks unis. I know this for a fact, that the D-backs unis are way better. They’re also a lot better than people give them credit for. They can even pull off a black uni better than the Mets. The only problem is that the A sometimes doesn’t line up correctly. The only time that happens is when someone is running and the air makes the jersey go funny, or when the player doesn’t button up his top two buttons, i.e. Micah Owings. Which brings me to this, which I have mentioned before.

I know that we all love to hate on the D-backs here, so, i believe we should have a little contest. Let’s play a game called “See If You Can Design A Better Diamondbacks Uniform”. I would love to see what would people will come up with. Maybe they actually will be better than the current ones.

[quote comment=”94880″][quote comment=”94790″]I say give the guy a break. It’s gotta be hard to find something to write about every day of the week when you can write about anything, but Paul is narrowing that scope down to something specific, very specific, so if he fills voids of what to talk about with what he knows best, his Mets, so be it. It’s better than having to look at those ugly D-backs jerseys every day.[/quote]

Ok, so you hate it when somebody rips on your precious Mets, but you can still rip on the D-backs whenever you want?? That’s pretty stupid if you ask me. But seriously, would you rather want to see the Mets in all black, or the Dbacks unis. I know this for a fact, that the D-backs unis are way better. They’re also a lot better than people give them credit for. They can even pull off a black uni better than the Mets. The only problem is that the A sometimes doesn’t line up correctly. The only time that happens is when someone is running and the air makes the jersey go funny, or when the player doesn’t button up his top two buttons, i.e. Micah Owings. Which brings me to this, which I have mentioned before.

I know that we all love to hate on the D-backs here, so, i believe we should have a little contest. Let’s play a game called “See If You Can Design A Better Diamondbacks Uniform”. I would love to see what would people will come up with. Maybe they actually will be better than the current ones.[/quote]

I wasn’t the person who originaly vented about the Mets. I was simply stating that it’s hard to come up with something new every day, and added the D-back reference in there because next to the Mets, I think they’re mentioned the most for their colors. It was an attempt at sarcasm.

I personaly love all the talk, whether it be about the Mets, D-back or the team I like, the Cubs. No team is perfect and since we all are, it’s up to us to point out their inconsitencies. (Incase you didn’t pick up on that, that too is a joke)

[quote comment=”94874″][quote comment=”94865″]I just saw this on deadspin.

linkMr. met is wearing an old BP hat from 2005 0r 2006.[/quote]

Yeah I realized that as I posted. I figured that hat would’ve been retired when 2007 started.

Fulham FC in London is moving from Airness (a French company) to Nike for next season. Here is last season’s link, compared to link.
A big BIG step up in my opinion. Their away will be “black and red stripes.”
Hopefully next year I’ll be studying in South Kensington, nearby Craven Cottage and be able to root for McBride, Boca, and Dempsey in person.

[quote comment=”94877″]please tell me that im not the only one who when hearing the name,
Derek Turnbow
i think
Chief Jay Turnbow[/quote]

For the unenlightened, who is Chief Jay Turnbow?

[quote comment=”94901″][quote comment=”94877″]please tell me that im not the only one who when hearing the name,
Derek Turnbow
i think
Chief Jay Turnbow[/quote]

For the unenlightened, who is Chief Jay Turnbow?[/quote]

Old school wrestler Chief Jay Strongbow; I guess Turnbow sounding very similar to Strongbow evokes memories of the Chief and his War Dance in some people.

[quote comment=”94856″]Not good news for those of eagerly anticipating the return of “Baltimore” on the O’s away jerseys. I don’t know how much of link is BS, or even what to believe for that matter, but it sounds like the Orioles did consider the change, but are probably not (at least not this year) going to move forward with it. If that is the case…BOO!

Much like Paul’s disgust over the Met’s uni situation, many of us O’s fans have been wanting to see this change for decades–I’ve even seen people with petitions outside the Yard asking for signates. I don’t want to put words in mouth of Paul or anyone else on this site, but for me the most frustrating thing is the question of “how can those that have the power to make these decisions make such stupid ones, totally disrarding the wishes of the fans!?!?”[/quote]

I really link Mr. Angelos. I can link though…

[quote comment=”94904″]You know, I’m OK with discussing the Mets as it pertains to their unis. But these “player X is God” and “player Y sucks” tangents don’t belong here. There’s 50,000 other message boards for that. I come here to read anything BUT that.[/quote]
Good Point.

I actually prefer the snow-white jersey and I like it with either the blue or black/blue caps. I wouldn’t mind seeing that share time with the Pinstripes during the week and let them have their Sunday blacks. I’d eliminate the black road alternate entirely as well as the all black cap. Road-alternates are the dumbest uniform phenomenon, in my opinion. I’m not a “Ditch the Black” guy. I own the black/blue cap and I have a black home jersey. Even I think they’ve gone way too far, though.

Let them cycle through the pinstripes and snow-whites at home, always the blue caps with the pinstripes and 50/50 blue and black with the snow-whites, with Sunday wearing the black alternate. On the road, stick with the grey uniform and again go 50/50 with the blue and black caps. I’d also suggest 4 Sundays a year feature retro-80’s home jerseys, obviously with blue hats. By my count, this would result in the Blue caps being worn 96 games and the black caps being worn 68 games (and the black jersey’s only being worn 9 days) A nice, even compromise that reigns in the black, while still allowing allowing some indulgence of the color.

[quote comment=”94904″]You know, I’m OK with discussing the Mets as it pertains to their unis. But these “player X is God” and “player Y sucks” tangents don’t belong here. There’s 50,000 other message boards for that. I come here to read anything BUT that.[/quote]

Good point. Additionally, this message board is slowly becoming one where people act like their opinion is gospel, and if you disagree, then you’re an idiot/moron/asshole/insert your own adjective.

I don’t understand how acting like your viewpoint is the only correct one, using crude language or dropping f-bombs is to supposed to make your point any stronger. I mean, telling someone to STFU is just indicative of:

(a) a lack of imagination and vocabulary.
(b) the ability to grow a set on the internet, where you’re anonymous and can get away with telling someone to STFU without getting popped in the mouth.

Surely there must be a better way to make your point without acting like a 12-year old……?

[quote comment=”94816″]Hat modification buffs: link[/quote]

Not a very careful one, though. More like a 59fifty butcher….

[quote comment=”94915″]Am I going crazy, or does the guy in link (front row, second from left) have a Livestrong band three-fourths of the way up his forearm?[/quote]

Those things are a bit big, so for a kid to do that doesn’t surprise me as it’s probably the only way he can keep it on.

[quote comment=”94909″]link[/quote]
I know his tag team partner link who happens to be Adnan Al-Kaissie who happens to be Iraqi by birth, not Native American.

[quote comment=”94914″]I actually prefer the snow-white jersey and I like it with either the blue or black/blue caps. I wouldn’t mind seeing that share time with the Pinstripes during the week and let them have their Sunday blacks. I’d eliminate the black road alternate entirely as well as the all black cap. Road-alternates are the dumbest uniform phenomenon, in my opinion. I’m not a “Ditch the Black” guy. I own the black/blue cap and I have a black home jersey. Even I think they’ve gone way too far, though.

Let them cycle through the pinstripes and snow-whites at home, always the blue caps with the pinstripes and 50/50 blue and black with the snow-whites, with Sunday wearing the black alternate. On the road, stick with the grey uniform and again go 50/50 with the blue and black caps. I’d also suggest 4 Sundays a year feature retro-80’s home jerseys, obviously with blue hats. By my count, this would result in the Blue caps being worn 96 games and the black caps being worn 68 games (and the black jersey’s only being worn 9 days) A nice, even compromise that reigns in the black, while still allowing allowing some indulgence of the color.[/quote]

I think that is a well though out plan. I just don’t think the black jersey has anyplace in the scheme.

I am so sick of teams that have multiple alternates…just have one. I would choose the snow white as the alternate since the pin striped uni’s are supposed to represent the 3 original NY teams and were designed with that purpose in mind. Then play your road games entireley in gray with the blue/black caps.

[quote comment=”94914″]Let them cycle through the pinstripes and snow-whites at home, always the blue caps with the pinstripes and 50/50 blue and black with the snow-whites, with Sunday wearing the black alternate. On the road, stick with the grey uniform and again go 50/50 with the blue and black caps. I’d also suggest 4 Sundays a year feature retro-80’s home jerseys, obviously with blue hats. By my count, this would result in the Blue caps being worn 96 games and the black caps being worn 68 games (and the black jersey’s only being worn 9 days) A nice, even compromise that reigns in the black, while still allowing allowing some indulgence of the color.[/quote]

People keep suggesting different schedules the Mets could use, but is there any indication at all the Mets care at all? I’m pretty much completly indifferent on the whole black thing, but I can’t see how it benefits the team to get rid of the black uniforms or set a schedule, so why would they bother?

I was at the Comets game last night (yea, yea… i know) and noticed the Comets home jerseys have the name ABOVE the number which is against the league wide template. The warm-ups and away jerseys, however, meet the template. I have been unable to find a photo – go figure…

Which by the way – these are just about the ugliest uniforms I have EVER seen! Boring….. Not to mention, you can not even read the names because the font is way too skinny – and I have tickets on the 11th row!

[quote comment=”94927″][quote comment=”94914″]Let them cycle through the pinstripes and snow-whites at home, always the blue caps with the pinstripes and 50/50 blue and black with the snow-whites, with Sunday wearing the black alternate. On the road, stick with the grey uniform and again go 50/50 with the blue and black caps. I’d also suggest 4 Sundays a year feature retro-80’s home jerseys, obviously with blue hats. By my count, this would result in the Blue caps being worn 96 games and the black caps being worn 68 games (and the black jersey’s only being worn 9 days) A nice, even compromise that reigns in the black, while still allowing allowing some indulgence of the color.[/quote]

People keep suggesting different schedules the Mets could use, but is there any indication at all the Mets care at all? I’m pretty much completly indifferent on the whole black thing, but I can’t see how it benefits the team to get rid of the black uniforms or set a schedule, so why would they bother?[/quote]

That was a point I made last night; I think stuff like the “Ditch the Black” campaign, while noble, is probably like a pimple on the ass of the Mets operations; you notice it at first, but eventually you just ignore it and go about your daily business.

I’ve seen Jeff Francoeur of the Braves the last couple games wearing one of those ugly dotted Nike undershirts. Didn’t he get the memo that those things are God-awful?

The Alabama coaches’ shirts mentioned are actually part of Nike’s new template for ’07, the “Quick Count Coaches Polo”.
Michigan State’s can be found here (along with other schools).
They’re terrible.

[quote comment=”94940″][quote comment=”94880″]But seriously, would you rather want to see the Mets in all black, or the Dbacks unis. I know this for a fact, that the D-backs unis are way better. They’re also a lot better than people give them credit for. They can even pull off a black uni better than the Mets. The only problem is that the A sometimes doesn’t line up correctly. The only time that happens is when someone is running and the air makes the jersey go funny, or when the player doesn’t button up his top two buttons, i.e. Micah Owings.[/quote]

See, here’s the thing. A good sports uniform is designed for movement, not derailed by it. When a sports uniform is designed in a way that it looks ridiculous every time an athlete moves, it is a bad design, and therefore subject to incessant mocking by UniWatch and Co.[/quote]

Interesting point. Do you think this is why MLB went to pull over jerseys in the 80s? I think if the D-backs or other teams that have that little issue with a jersey not being buttoned all the way up wore pullover jerseys this obviously wouldn’t happen. I am not advocating pull over jerseys though, they look too little leagueish to me. I’m all for button up.

[quote comment=”94932″]I was at the Comets game last night (yea, yea… i know) and noticed the Comets home jerseys have the name ABOVE the number which is against the league wide template. The warm-ups and away jerseys, however, meet the template. I have been unable to find a photo – go figure…

Which by the way – these are just about the ugliest uniforms I have EVER seen! Boring….. Not to mention, you can not even read the names because the font is way too skinny – and I have tickets on the 11th row![/quote]

tickets… as in plural? like season tickets…. to the WNBA? they do that? wow

Last night, during the Pirates/Padres broadcast, the “roving sideline reporter” for the game reported that Pirate reliever Josh Sharpless, who was just re-called from the minors, had to wear a pair of Aaron Harang’s shoes for the game, since Harang was the only other player they could in the ballpark who wears size 15 shoes. Woulda looked funny if the “Reds” still wore red shoes like back in the day, huh?
link
link

[quote comment=”94832″]not sure if anyone else noticed but something was up with Derek Turnbow’s undershirt last night. it was completely baggy around the neck, like he had stretched the neck WAY out…

sorry, no pic[/quote]
Boo large-headed friend!

[quote comment=”94857″][quote comment=”94791″][quote comment=”94787″][quote comment=”94783″]While this is all nice and dandy, the fact is that those of us who are not Mets fans are fucking sick of all the Mets talk on this website. The uniforms that they wear from night to night are not that bad. So they have black jerseys? who cares? I understand that this is a uniform website, but we know how people feel about the black Uni’s, we know how people feel about the Mets, it’s time to just shut the fuck up already.[/quote]Must be a Yankee fan in a bad mood from being 14 games out.[/quote]

14.5 haha

at least they’re still tied with the devil rays for last.[/quote]
But, the Rays own the season series so far 3-1… putting the Yankees at the bottom of the standings.[/quote]
All this Yankee trash talk is just adding to Steinbrenner’s fire. People,! you are waking a sleeping lion. hush up y’all.
Yankees!

[quote comment=”94909″]link[/quote]
Where did you find that? that guy is a legend!

[quote comment=”94876″]Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but the Cubs’ Jason Marquis doesn’t use a “Q” in his last name on his jersey, but instead an “O”. I can’t seem to dig up any photos from last night, but I was able to pause the TiVo and take a pretty close look, and it doesn’t really look like there’s anything at all coming off the “O” like there was in StL.[/quote]

It looks like an O, but its really a Q

link

[quote comment=”94939″]I’ve seen Jeff Francoeur of the Braves the last couple games wearing one of those ugly dotted Nike undershirts. Didn’t he get the memo that those things are God-awful?[/quote]

Kenny Lofton still wears one as well.

[quote comment=”94926″]During the Yankees – Blue Jays game last night Johnny Damon was wearing regular running shoes instead of cleats. Early on in the game he was on first and kept losing his grip on the dirt as he took his leads. The YES announcers made some comments about it and they showed some closeups of his shoes. Has he always done this?[/quote]

I heard that too. I think they were also saying that he only did that for better support for his calves. Did you see how he was trying to get a bigger lead onto the astroturf, so he could get a better jump?

[quote comment=”94962″][quote comment=”94939″]I’ve seen Jeff Francoeur of the Braves the last couple games wearing one of those ugly dotted Nike undershirts. Didn’t he get the memo that those things are God-awful?[/quote]

Kenny Lofton still wears one as well.[/quote]

Ruben Gotay of the Mets wears one as well. Oddly enough, he wasn’t on the club last year when the shirts first debuted.

I hate the Mets.
(Sorry…as a Cardinals fan, I’m required to start any comment about the Mets with that)

If the Mets equip mgr. is so damn worried about having their dugout jackets match the black crap, why doesn’t he just have the team wear link instead?

link

As much as I hate the Yankees, I do like this jacket:

link

It reminds me of one of my favorite jackets:

link

[quote comment=”94862″]
My question is why are Bonser and Liriano always mentioned in that trade? Liriano is gonna be a Kerry Wood (talent beyond belief, but always hurt) and Bonser is marginal at best.[/quote]

3 players that have made the bigs AND made an impact- (Boof is a decent #3 or #4 starter with a sub 4 ERA and Liriano did help the Twins win the Central) The Giants had Pierzynski for 1 year. Even if your prediction proves true, the Giants still gave up a lot for a rent-a-player. And of course, as a Dodgers fan it sure makes me smile.

[quote comment=”94932″]I was at the Comets game last night (yea, yea… i know) and noticed the Comets home jerseys have the name ABOVE the number which is against the league wide template. The warm-ups and away jerseys, however, meet the template. I have been unable to find a photo – go figure…

Which by the way – these are just about the ugliest uniforms I have EVER seen! Boring….. Not to mention, you can not even read the names because the font is way too skinny – and I have tickets on the 11th row![/quote]

awesome another fan (or appreciator of womens basketball at least)!

here is where i input my sue bird comment for the day.

like i said before,
do i think the mets are over covered?
do i think cleveland area teams are over covered?
do i think japanese baseball is over covered?

yes.
yes.
yes.

but listen, that just means, that PL, vince, and jeremy and mark in shiga are contributing relevent uni info on these teams. and PL feels its “fit to print”.

i dont remember PL writing a commentary on the mets or the way that randolph and his staff run the team.
i dont recall vince saying anything on the off season acquisitions of the browns and how it will affect their division play, or creating a personal agenda on any cleveland or ohio based team.
i dont think ive read anything from jeremy or mark about one team vs. another in japanese baseball.

this site is so unique in that you can talk about sports here, and not REALLY talk about sports. someone with a keen eye, and attention to detail who has no idea what is going on on the court, field or ice, could get just as much out of this site as its most rabid fan.

thats what i love about this site.

this “DTB” stuff?
when was the last time he forced this agenda? how bout never.
its not even linked anymore.

you guys know im a ‘heels fan. if i want to talk about their uni’s, i’ll come here. if i want to talk about why roy called a play for tyler down low and not ty on a dribble penetration to kick out to wayne on the wing, i’ll go to insidecarolina.com

i think that is the philosophy we have here… but thats just me.

Nike is also developing a line of uniform apparel for the newly created and aspiring Alabama Crimson Tide Coed-Intramural 4-Wheelin’ Team. The preliminary design looks like link. Boo-Joe Weaver, senior/team captain/ATV enthusiast/and faithful BAMA loyalist, has expressed his general satisfaction of the design. He only wished that Nike had actually incorporated Saban’s name within the design.

Also, there is no further news on Weaver’s related appeal to the manufacturer that asks of Nike to “go ahead and change their name to ‘Nick’.”

link

There’s a new wine coming out called “Manny Being Merlot”. I kid you not. There’s also Schilling Schardonnay and Tim Wakefield Presents…
“CaberKnuckle”.

[quote comment=”94880″]I know that we all love to hate on the D-backs here, so, i believe we should have a little contest. Let’s play a game called “See If You Can Design A Better Diamondbacks Uniform”. I would love to see what would people will come up with. Maybe they actually will be better than the current ones.[/quote]

OK, how about link

ed

[quote comment=”94943″][quote comment=”94940″][quote comment=”94880″]But seriously, would you rather want to see the Mets in all black, or the Dbacks unis. I know this for a fact, that the D-backs unis are way better. They’re also a lot better than people give them credit for. They can even pull off a black uni better than the Mets. The only problem is that the A sometimes doesn’t line up correctly. The only time that happens is when someone is running and the air makes the jersey go funny, or when the player doesn’t button up his top two buttons, i.e. Micah Owings.[/quote]

See, here’s the thing. A good sports uniform is designed for movement, not derailed by it. When a sports uniform is designed in a way that it looks ridiculous every time an athlete moves, it is a bad design, and therefore subject to incessant mocking by UniWatch and Co.[/quote]

Interesting point. Do you think this is why MLB went to pull over jerseys in the 80s? I think if the D-backs or other teams that have that little issue with a jersey not being buttoned all the way up wore pullover jerseys this obviously wouldn’t happen. I am not advocating pull over jerseys though, they look too little leagueish to me. I’m all for button up.[/quote]

Even my little leaguers get to go 3 button Henley… And when you make All-Stars, you get a full button down vest and coordinating undershirt.

My point – better players get more buttons… no pullover jerseys!

BTW, we do have a logo creep issue, with the Dick’s Sporting Goods tags at the neck in back. I’ve thought about buying out the uni-sponsorship for the league just to put Chico’s Bail Bonds on there.

[quote comment=”94999″]Nike is also developing a line of uniform apparel for the newly created and aspiring Alabama Crimson Tide Coed-Intramural 4-Wheelin’ Team. The preliminary design looks like link. Boo-Joe Weaver, senior/team captain/ATV enthusiast/and faithful BAMA loyalist, has expressed his general satisfaction of the design. He only wished that Nike had actually incorporated Saban’s name within the design.

Also, there is no further news on Weaver’s related appeal to the manufacturer that asks of Nike to “go ahead and change their name to ‘Nick’.”[/quote]

you should try to get these ahem, “link“.

i actually thought about ordering one just because of how unique it is…

We were at the Yankees v Blue Jays game last night. Great seats behind the Yankee dugout and noticed Jason Giambi wears a Nike cleat on his right foot and a Nike sneaker on his left when batting.. I know he’s got some “bone spur” issues, and you should see the guy limp while walking, let alone running. But i’ve never noticed this before. Between that and Johnny Damon changing out of his spikes and into Puma sneakers at first base, it made for a few conversations. Watch for it again tonight

[quote comment=”95002″][quote comment=”94905″][quote comment=”94856″]Not good news for those of eagerly anticipating the return of “Baltimore” on the O’s away jerseys. I don’t know how much of link is BS, or even what to believe for that matter, but it sounds like the Orioles did consider the change, but are probably not (at least not this year) going to move forward with it. If that is the case…BOO!

[/quote]
I can appreciate wanting the City name on road jerseys, but when it comes to Baltimore, I think this is a uni that needs a complete overhaul. I hate the font – it just screams 1970’s link logo to me to this day.

I think this is a team that’s stayed fairly consistent over the years that could really use some updating across the board. The hat was a vast improvement over the 8 panel goofy bird, but what have you done for me lately?

[quote comment=”94919″]Looks like the Bears are ahead of the game in showing off some of their 2007 season sideline apparel. Their online store has the 2007 preseason coaches cap, the 2007 regular season coaches visor, and the 2007 regular season players visor. the hats usually mimic the visors, so this is a decent preview of what’s “in store” for nfl fans this fall:

2007 preseason coaches cap:
link

2007 regular season coaches visor:
link

2007 regular season players visor:
link

Are there any other teams that have made their 2007 stuff available yet? I only know that Jacksonville (go Jags!) have not. This stuff is not on NFL.com’s shop, either.[/quote]

Jonathon,

I am not sure about other team sites, but I have seen one online retailer that is selling these hats.

Examples:

link

link

link

link

link

I don’t even want to know what in the world link are.

The Cubs had the nickname for a while in the 1980s when they wore the blue jerseys with the round “CUBS” logo. If they would just dump the gray road jerseys for the much cooler blue alternates with the C and the walking bear, they wouldn’t have the city name either. Come to think of it — and this mught be blasphemy — I wouldn’t mind seeing that logo on the pinstriped jerseys at home.

[quote comment=”95028″]The Cubs had the nickname for a while in the 1980s when they wore the blue jerseys with the round “CUBS” logo. If they would just dump the gray road jerseys for the much cooler blue alternates with the C and the walking bear, they wouldn’t have the city name either. Come to think of it — and this mught be blasphemy — I wouldn’t mind seeing that logo on the pinstriped jerseys at home.[/quote]

I hate the Cubs way too much to spend time looking up the specifics, but they also had gray road uniforms with “Cubs” in an odd font at some point in the late 90s. I recall people complaining that it looked like “Cuba”

[quote comment=”95042″][quote comment=”95039″][quote comment=”95028″]The Cubs had the nickname for a while in the 1980s when they wore the blue jerseys with the round “CUBS” logo. If they would just dump the gray road jerseys for the much cooler blue alternates with the C and the walking bear, they wouldn’t have the city name either. Come to think of it — and this mught be blasphemy — I wouldn’t mind seeing that logo on the pinstriped jerseys at home.[/quote]

I hate the Cubs way too much to spend time looking up the specifics, but they also had gray road uniforms with “Cubs” in an odd font at some point in the late 90s. I recall people complaining that it looked like “Cuba”[/quote]

If these are the ones that you are referring too, then I agree with the “link” assesment.[/quote]

I meant link.

ed– I would not mind that jersey one bit. A number might be nice, but I would have to see it to find out. And generally, the away jersey doesn’t have a problem with overlapping, and i like the style of jersey, too. They had one like that with the old color scheme, and i loved it.

The point is, most people terribly overreacted when the new jerseys came out. They got mad because they “copied”(when its really just similar) color schemes, and overlooked the fact that they are pretty good unis. When they found one problem(the overlapping) they ran with it because they still didn’t like it. That isn’t fair because evertyone should agree that they were a huge improvement. But an even bigger improvement would be the jersey with just the A on it. Nice work ed, i’ve been waiting for something like that.

So did anyone notice the halo missing on the A of Mile Napoli’s jersey in last nights Angels-Mariners game? It happenned on his 8th inning at bat.

[quote comment=”94919″]Looks like the Bears are ahead of the game in showing off some of their 2007 season sideline apparel. Their online store has the 2007 preseason coaches cap, the 2007 regular season coaches visor, and the 2007 regular season players visor. the hats usually mimic the visors, so this is a decent preview of what’s “in store” for nfl fans this fall:

2007 preseason coaches cap:
link

2007 regular season coaches visor:
link

2007 regular season players visor:
link

Are there any other teams that have made their 2007 stuff available yet? I only know that Jacksonville (go Jags!) have not. This stuff is not on NFL.com’s shop, either.[/quote]
They have a ‘Preseason Cap’? Someone actually gets paid to think up stuff like that!

I’m surprised the Orioles still have the ‘Orioles’ on both home and away. Most teams have their respective city/state on their aways. Speaking of having a state name on your jersey as a team name, why can’t Arizona be Phoenix. Florida should be Miami. Anaheim was California. Texas? hm, don’t know.

[quote comment=”95066″]I’m surprised the Orioles still have the ‘Orioles’ on both home and away. Most teams have their respective city/state on their aways. Speaking of having a state name on your jersey as a team name, why can’t Arizona be Phoenix. Florida should be Miami. Anaheim was California. Texas? hm, don’t know.[/quote]
‘Dallas Rangers’ would just be dumb. A Texas Ranger is an actual link.

[quote comment=”95071″][quote comment=”95066″]I’m surprised the Orioles still have the ‘Orioles’ on both home and away. Most teams have their respective city/state on their aways. Speaking of having a state name on your jersey as a team name, why can’t Arizona be Phoenix. Florida should be Miami. Anaheim was California. Texas? hm, don’t know.[/quote]
‘Dallas Rangers’ would just be dumb. A Texas Ranger is an actual link.[/quote]

An unintentionally funny occupation: link

[quote comment=”95015″][quote comment=”94991″]As long as Delgado wears a Uniform, he is fair game for criticism. And yes, he is a POC for being a hypocritical jerk. Making millions of dollars from MLB, and then criticizing the fans (mostly American) immediately after 9/11 is inexcusable. And until he makes a formal apology, and shows some real support from both America and the soldiers and Marines who died defending his right to be an ass, I will speak out, just as others like Mr. Met and Minna have done.[/quote]

ummm, is he even a US citizen? BC if not, he has no “obligation” to support anyone but himself. And if he IS a citizen, he still has the right to say whatever he’d like. Thats the beauty of this country….[/quote]

This is pretty off topic, but Delgado is a US citizen (Puerto Rico is a US territory) and he was protesting against the decision to invade Iraq and the US Navy’s use of certain areas of Puerto Rico for target practice.

[quote comment=”94882″]Goofy, while I agree with you about colors being better than dull gray, this question:

couldn’t MLB come up with different colors for each team

..is pretty disturbing. Why should the league decide what colors the individual teams wear? I could easily imagine Selig taking that power for himself; don’t put any ideas in their heads![/quote]
Haha, Selig would change every team’s colors to navy and red to mimic the Milwaukee Braves. Darn good thing he couldn’t do that to the Pilots/Brewers. Their blue and yellow looks amazing!

[quote comment=”95015″][quote comment=”94991″]As long as Delgado wears a Uniform, he is fair game for criticism. And yes, he is a POC for being a hypocritical jerk. Making millions of dollars from MLB, and then criticizing the fans (mostly American) immediately after 9/11 is inexcusable. And until he makes a formal apology, and shows some real support from both America and the soldiers and Marines who died defending his right to be an ass, I will speak out, just as others like Mr. Met and Minna have done.[/quote]

ummm, is he even a US citizen? BC if not, he has no “obligation” to support anyone but himself. And if he IS a citizen, he still has the right to say whatever he’d like. Thats the beauty of this country….[/quote]

If he is NOT a citizen, he has no right to criticize the American people or our soldiers while playing AMERICA’S past time and cashing in those millions of American dollars. If he IS a citizen, he is criticizing the very men and women who fight every day for his freedom to sound like an ass.

[quote comment=”95084″][quote comment=”95015″][quote comment=”94991″]As long as Delgado wears a Uniform, he is fair game for criticism. And yes, he is a POC for being a hypocritical jerk. Making millions of dollars from MLB, and then criticizing the fans (mostly American) immediately after 9/11 is inexcusable. And until he makes a formal apology, and shows some real support from both America and the soldiers and Marines who died defending his right to be an ass, I will speak out, just as others like Mr. Met and Minna have done.[/quote]

ummm, is he even a US citizen? BC if not, he has no “obligation” to support anyone but himself. And if he IS a citizen, he still has the right to say whatever he’d like. Thats the beauty of this country….[/quote]

If he is NOT a citizen, he has no right to criticize the American people or our soldiers while playing AMERICA’S past time and cashing in those millions of American dollars. If he IS a citizen, he is criticizing the very men and women who fight every day for his freedom to sound like an ass.[/quote]

I’m with previous person on this: soldiers are doing for this country so that we have the freedom to disagree and I fail to see how Carlos Delgado is in the wrong. I don’t share his beliefs, but one of the founding principles of this nation is that notion that we can disagree and not be considered any less of a citizen or indeed a person.

That being said, this talk reminded me of Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf when he played for the Denver Nuggets. During the national anthem, he would sometimes bow his head and quietly recite an islamic prayer rather than acknowledge the National Anthem.

Story is halfway down on this page: link

[quote comment=”95080″]Now, for a repost (I am going to repost this every day until I get an answer, not including STFU, because that is not an answer):
What is the significance/function of the little button on top of baseball caps, if any?[/quote]

According to link trivia site, it is because, “It hides the junction of the seams.”.

[quote comment=”95098″][quote comment=”95080″]Now, for a repost (I am going to repost this every day until I get an answer, not including STFU, because that is not an answer):
What is the significance/function of the little button on top of baseball caps, if any?[/quote]

According to link trivia site, it is because, “It hides the junction of the seams.”.[/quote]
Works for me.

[quote comment=”94775″][quote comment=”94770″][quote comment=”94768″][quote comment=”94761″]Here’s the problem with the Celtic throwback:

Celtic is one of those ‘classic’ teams that really haven’t done much with their shirts over the last century or so. And sponsorship is to a point where the team can’t even change the number font to match because the league likely has a standard sponsored number kit, and it seems unlikely that a sponsor (who’s forked over a ton of cash) would let the team have logo free shirts.

The more interesting goalkeeper aspect is that back then goalkeepers could only wear solid yellow, red, or green shirts. Black was for officials.[/quote]

they could revert to the old number styling for cup/ non league matches.[/quote]

Good thought. That would also be appropriate since it’s a European Cup winning team that they’re celebrating, so reverting to the old font for those matches would be a clever tribute.[/quote]
A clever idea would be to wear that old font (on the shirts, however) for Champions League matches this year. The only problem is that Celtic is required to link the hoops on their backs for CL Matches.[/quote]

Yeah, the pizza wedge is HORRID. Before they had to wear shirt numbers domestically, when they were called on to in Europe they would just have them in plain black. Their original domestic shirt numbers were plain green, then in either 1995 or 1996 they adopted the pretty badass green block numbers in a tight white box that were readable for MILES. More recently they’ve stuck with black with white outlining, which is fairly easy to read, making the rule on having a plain background a bit silly. Same with the Milanese sides (white/yellow or gold on red/blue & black over the years)

[quote comment=”94872″]Also, those 1960 Celtic uniforms did not have numbers on the back. Celtic wore their uniform numbers on their shorts up until the 90s. However, I am not sure if they wore numbers in Europe.[/quote]

They still wear numbered shorts, even after shirt numbered was forced upon them. It’s more standard now (the old numbered shorts had two huge numbers, one front left and one on the rear of the right leg.) 1994 or 1995 is when they started to make the change. link is from that era, where they went with sleeve numbers as a “will this do?” gesture. The numbering on Paul McStay there seems a bit last minute, perhaps they were trying to avoid a fine…

About the use of the batting practice caps and jerseys, I attended to Phillies-Braves series in Atlanta over the weekend. During the pregame batting practice, about half of the Phillies team wore the game cap instead of the batting practice hat ( the 3930 has a blue P, the game cap has a white P, easy to tell the difference). And almost none of the players wore the blue on the road batting practice jersey, they wore these plain red pullovers, no logo, name or numbers. Quite frustrating if you don’t recognize the players by sight. Wonder if it was some purpose to that.

link for Michael Young of the Rangers today in Oakland. link the company’s site.

[quote comment=”95066″]I’m surprised the Orioles still have the ‘Orioles’ on both home and away. Most teams have their respective city/state on their aways. Speaking of having a state name on your jersey as a team name, why can’t Arizona be Phoenix. Florida should be Miami. Anaheim was California. Texas? hm, don’t know.[/quote]

As a Phoenix AREA resident, I don’t mind the “Arizona” tag to the teams. Arizona will never have major league teams outside of the Phoenix area, and as such, the Dbacks and Cardinals prefer to market to the entire region and state.
As a resident of the eastern suburbs in Maricopa County, the bulk of Phoenix only conjures up images from the TV news of Crack houses, prostitution, gang violence, Illegal immigrant drop houses with 80 people stuffed inside, etc. Phoenix is a HUGE city area wise, but most of the nicer areas are on the fringes and prefer to be known by their neighborhood names to distance themselves from the actual city itself.

As for sports, the Arizona Cardinals started out as the “Phoenix Cardinals”, but have never played in Phoenix, having played in Tempe (where their practice facility/offices remain) and currently in Glendale. Phoenix Coyotes no longer play in Phoenix, having moved next door to the Cardinals Stadium in suburban Glendale. I recall reading about a possible change to “Arizona Coyotes”, and even “glendale coyotes” but that would be STUPID, seeing as how the immediate reaction of 90% of the country would be Glendale California?

[quote comment=”95146″][quote comment=”95079″][quote comment=”94882″]Goofy, while I agree with you about colors being better than dull gray, this question:

couldn’t MLB come up with different colors for each team

..is pretty disturbing. Why should the league decide what colors the individual teams wear? I could easily imagine Selig taking that power for himself; don’t put any ideas in their heads![/quote]
Haha, Selig would change every team’s colors to navy and red to mimic the Milwaukee Braves. Darn good thing he couldn’t do that to the Pilots/Brewers. Their blue and yellow looks amazing![/quote]

My thought was that since the clubs were just copying from each other these days, a “uniform policeman” should be appointed from the league to be a middle man between the league and the clubs. This middle man would look at the new design and then look at current designs of the other clubs and make sure nothing looked similar, so to help keep uniform/team colors more unique.
When the NFL Cardinals moved from St. Louis to Arizona, there were articles on how Cardinal Red was different than normal red. Seeing it, Cardinal Red was a different color of red than any other team. Why can’t the MLB baseball clubs do this?

Watch a Astros vs D-Backs game, they are the exact same colors. Once again, this is 2007 and they should be better than that.

I am not asking for pink or neon green, but I would like to see more light blue, maroon, even light purple.
Colorado Rockies are you listening? Ditch the black/gray for light purple. Do away with the gray and the black away/alt unis.
These clubs are worth millions and millions of dollars to be their own unique baseball club, do really have to copy each other?
When the D-Backs were redesigning their colors and uniforms, did it ever occur to them to see if another team was using the colors? Obliviously not, which is why I think a middle man is needed. Basically the teams can nto uniform police themselves.[/quote]

Once again, they are similar. The Astros is more of a brick red, while Arizona’s is Sedona red. The astros are darker than the D-backs.

Regarding the Celtic FC unis, I’m totally unfamiliar with their history, but has their logo always been a 4-leaf clover and not a true Irish 3-leaf shamrock?

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For those wondering, I saw the back of the Schwarzenegger jersey on the evening news and no radial or vertical arching as you might expect. The name was straight across the back. Can’t find pics online yet.

Milwaukee: This team has been back and forth, but did wear “Milwaukee” from ‘78 to ‘94, and I’ve alwys thought they should go back to previous unis anyway–but the case is there that this team has established classic unifroms that do it the right way (or at least the traditional way).

Not that I’m thriled with with their current uniforms, but while the old “mb” glove logo Brewers unis seems nice to see as a alternate, I do remember being happy to see them go as being pretty boring and outdated when they did in 1994. Four or five years of the that uniform style. I think that same feeling would come back…

And as an O’s fan, yeah, for Gawd’s sake can we get Baltimore on the road unis?

They’ve been Baltimore-less for what? 37 seasons? Plus it was on their original uniforms their first two years

Granted. But it wasn’t until the Senators moved out of DC when they changed to the Orioles on the road “for good”. Don’t quote me, but I believe that change was based on tapping the DC market. With the Nats now in DC and perhaps as much of need as ever to have a Baltimore idenity and not worry about a regional one, this is a first step. Plus those 60’s road uni’s did look nice I must say.

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Re lax finals: Hopkins’ blue unis also have the Swoosh under the collar, but in a less obvious white. the helmet logo really bothered me, as the coaching staff’s shirts and all other JHU logos were the stylized BlueJay logo. And both teams (Duke and JHU) wore black warmup shirts. also, UNC wore socks with the interlocking UNC logo when they lost to Duke.[/quote]

I’ve only ever seen the stylized Blue Jay until this past weekend. Hmm…

In the 8th inning of the Reds-Astros game, Lance Berkman was wearing a Cool Flo helmet. First time I’ve ever seen him wear one. I don’t think he was even wearing it in his first two at bats of the game. The only other Astro to wear a Cool Flo was Aubrey Huff during his brief time with the team last year.

[quote comment=”95177″]link

For those wondering, I saw the back of the Schwarzenegger jersey on the evening news and no radial or vertical arching as you might expect. The name was straight across the back. Can’t find pics online yet.[/quote]

The Senators don’t arch their lettering, so I don’t know why you’d expect that…

sorry if this is a repeat of a previous comment, did a quick scroll through tonight:

link (site Paul linked to a week or so ago) has pointed out that with Molina on the DL and Brian Esposito called up, the team is now down to FOUR available numbers.

“May 30 , 2007. Brian Esposito, called up from AAA to replace Molina on the roster, is wearing #35. With all the player movement this season, numbers are beginning to run low. When you remove the retired numbers, the quasi-retired numbers (25, 51 and 57) and the digits “reserved” for former players who are injured or in AAA (30 for Mulder, 49 for Ankiel, 52 for Kinney, 53 for Rodriguez and likely 60 for Narveson), you’re left with 13 (last worn by Vizcaino in ’06), 19 (Perez in ’06) and 33 (Bigbie in ’06). After that, the first available number is 62.”

Paul has a small article about socks with individual toes on Page 2.

I emailed the Mets recently to ask why they wear the road caps at home so often. The response I received was that they “try to mix up the uniforms as best as possible”. I agree that they rotate the jerseys pretty well, but they wear the black and blue caps way more than the others…and as a longtime Mets fan, it drives me nuts.