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Scarlet fever yesterday in Toronto, where the Nets wore their red alternates and revived their red playoff socks (additional pics here, here, and here). Plus virtually everyone in the crowd was wearing a red T-shirt, and the Raptors even used red bench towels.

 
  
 
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    Continuing from yesterday:

    Id be happy if the Mets would so this.
    Monday to Thursday home ,snow whites blue caps day games black blue night games.
    Friday home ,Black Alt & black Caps
    Sat&Sun Home pinstripe blue caps

    Road unis as they are but wear blue caps on grays on Sundays

    This is essentially what they do already. How often do we see a day game Monday through Thursday? This proposal still relegates the blue cap to an only-occasionally-worn alternate, instead of the official Mets cap which it has been since 1962, but only nominally since 1998.

    No more nonsense. Pinstriped uniforms, blue caps as the standard home uniform for all games. Plain-whites with blue caps as an occasional Saturday alternate, black jerseys with all-black caps as an occasional Sunday alternate. That’t it.

    If they do that, I can deal with pairing the two-tone cap with the road greys, even though the blue cap would be better.

    And the two-tone batting helmets have to go, or at least be made to match the two-tone cap.

    [quote comment=”74115″]Continuing from yesterday:

    Id be happy if the Mets would so this.
    Monday to Thursday home ,snow whites blue caps day games black blue night games.
    Friday home ,Black Alt & black Caps
    Sat&Sun Home pinstripe blue caps

    Road unis as they are but wear blue caps on grays on Sundays

    This is essentially what they do already. How often do we see a day game Monday through Thursday? This proposal still relegates the blue cap to an only-occasionally-worn alternate, instead of the official Mets cap which it has been since 1962, but only nominally since 1998.

    No more nonsense. Pinstriped uniforms, blue caps as the standard home uniform for all games. Plain-whites with blue caps as an occasional Saturday alternate, black jerseys with all-black caps as an occasional Sunday alternate. That’t it.

    If they do that, I can deal with pairing the two-tone cap with the road greys, even though the blue cap would be better.

    And the two-tone batting helmets have to go, or at least be made to match the two-tone cap.[/quote]

    Agreed ,cant argue with that, I remember breefly we wore our “true” uniforms for 2 seasons in the 90s, 95 and 96 I think just after the version with the tail sweeping under the “Mets” script and before the black unis came in. If im right that is the only time they where wore since the move to doubleknit unis and pullovers in the 70s

    Les

    You are being pretty arbitrary in you historical selection.

    No, I’m not being “arbitrary” at all. This is why the Mets colors were chosen by Mrs. Payson and the original ownership group. Look it up.

    I am aware that the Giants wore black as a primary color. The Mets’ original cap is the Giants’ cap turned blue; the orange “NY” crest is the same. The point is that the Mets are NOT the Giants, and they didn’t want to BE the Giants. They took the Giants’ logo and employed a very similar road jersey design, so the primary color had to come from somewhere else, namely the Dodgers. The idea was to take a little from each team but not too much from any; e.g., the pinstriped home uniforms in part distinguished them from the Dodgers’ plain white with blue script.

    The Mets did darken the blue slightly in 1993 and 94, when they wore the uniforms with the “tailed” script, but changed back to the original Mets/Dodgers blue in 1995.

    It should be noted also that blue and orange was a new and unique color scheme in 1962, at least in MLB. I think the Knicks were the only pro team in any sport to wear the combination at that time, and it doesn’t appear that any MLB team had ever worn it before (or since, really, except the Padres who had a navy-and-orange scheme from 1991-2003). The Denver Broncos didn’t adopt it until the mid-’60s; the NY Islanders and Edmonton Oilers didn’t exist yet.

    Again, I don’t think it’s really the black per se that bothers me, or that blue and orange is so terribly important. It’s just that my team has a very nice uniform that it never wears, choosing instead to wear the least-appealing of its multiple alternate uniform combinations (and its road cap) in nearly every home game. Neither the plain-white jersey nor the black/blue cap needed to be retained after the black alternates came out in 1999, yet not only did the team retain them, they wear them all the time. They can’t keep claiming the blue cap is the “home cap” when it’s not; they can’t keep calling the plain-whites and black/blue caps “alternates” when they’re not.

    [quote comment=”74119″][quote comment=”74115″]Continuing from yesterday:

    Id be happy if the Mets would so this.
    Monday to Thursday home ,snow whites blue caps day games black blue night games.
    Friday home ,Black Alt & black Caps
    Sat&Sun Home pinstripe blue caps

    Road unis as they are but wear blue caps on grays on Sundays

    This is essentially what they do already. How often do we see a day game Monday through Thursday? This proposal still relegates the blue cap to an only-occasionally-worn alternate, instead of the official Mets cap which it has been since 1962, but only nominally since 1998.

    No more nonsense. Pinstriped uniforms, blue caps as the standard home uniform for all games. Plain-whites with blue caps as an occasional Saturday alternate, black jerseys with all-black caps as an occasional Sunday alternate. That’t it.

    If they do that, I can deal with pairing the two-tone cap with the road greys, even though the blue cap would be better.

    And the two-tone batting helmets have to go, or at least be made to match the two-tone cap.[/quote]

    Agreed ,cant argue with that, I remember breefly we wore our “true” uniforms for 2 seasons in the 90s, 95 and 96 I think just after the version with the tail sweeping under the “Mets” script and before the black unis came in. If im right that is the only time they where wore since the move to doubleknit unis and pullovers in the 70s

    Les[/quote]

    The Mets did wear a polyester version of their traditional (1962-73) uniform from 1995-97. The only difference, other than the fabric, was the names on the back and the numeral font; also, the original jerseys had no numbers on the front until 1965.

    In 1997, they added a pinstripeless white alternate with blue piping, same as the ones they have now but without the black trim, paired with a white blue-billed cap with a blue logo outlined in orange. This was worn on occasional Sundays only, but no one liked the white caps so by mid-season they were wearing the blue caps with these.

    1998 is when it all started to go south. The pinstriped uniforms still lacked the black trim, but they were worn only rarely. I remember reading or hearing something about the pinstripes being “heavier” than the plain-whites, thus the players preferred to wear the latter on hot days (which doesn’t explain the black caps, but I digress).

    In addition, the pinstripes were paired exclusively with the blue caps in 1998, but in 1999 they wore the two black caps with the pinstripes as well (this coincided with the black drop-shadow being added to the pinstripes’ script and numerals).

    The legacy of all this is that sometime around 1998, the plain-white uniform and black/blue cap became the Mets’ standard home uniform. Yet it is now 2007 and the organization still can’t admit it.

    Seeing the Bulls bust out the black shoes and socks yesterday was a real treat. I used to hate them in the early 90s when they would knock out the Knicks every year, but I’m pulling for them this year.

    While everyone is talking about the Mets… as much as I was hoping for pinstripes and blue cap this weekend (gong to Shea today, I’ll be wearing that combo), I do like the combination they wore yesterday, which they only wear a few times a year… pinstripes with the black cap.

    Hopefully we will see pinstripes/blue caps today. I was surprised not to see them on Opening Day this year after we had worn them for Games 6 and 7 of the NLCS and this got a very favorable response from the fan base. As someone had stated yesterday, I wish they would just either wear the blue cap more or officially designate it as an alternate.

    I don’t care what color shirts the away crowd is wearing…I hate those red Nets jerseys….teams have to calm down with ther red alts.

    I grew up watching the Nets (well, occasionally watching them) wearing white jerseys with red lettering at home in the 1980s-90s, so I like seeing them emphasize red and white, and the red socks look fine. It’s the Raptors that are intruding on the red — they should be in purple!

    As for the Mets, do they really need three home jerseys? Pinstripe or snow white at home; gray or black on the road. And while the shadows looked great on the number-only jerseys around 1998-99 (check out the Mets By The Numbers main page for a good photo), they really look cluttered and awful when the players’ names are on the backs — especially on the pinstripe jerseys. Leave the shadowing for the duller gray jerseys only.

    Athletic socks are meant to be white.
    I don’t like black socks.
    I certainly don’t like the red socks.
    I like to see some white sanitaries under baseball stockings. (Although, curiously, I’ve never been bothered by the gold sanitaries the A’s wear. But when the Padres tried it — ugh!)
    White socks rock.

    I think the Raptors look much improved with the red. And I can live with New Jersey in all that red (though I, too, think basketball socks should always be white–with some stripes–in a perfect world). But what I can’t get over is that bulky, clunky NETS font and double trim around the numbers. Ugly.

    i LOVE that tiger. i can’t stand that stupid tiger crawling through the D logo. it’s terrible. at comerica park, they have a couple of grey t-shirts that you can buy with the circular tiger logo, but i wish that they had more. it would look terrific on a navy t-shirt.

    [quote comment=”74152″]Here’s a link from 1970 up on eBay.[/quote]

    The writing on the jersey doesn’t match what “Dressed to the Nines” says it should look like:

    [quote comment=”74157″]http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/exhibits/online_exhibits/dressed_to_the_nines/detail_page.asp?fileName=al_1970_milwaukee.gif&Entryid=1163[/quote]
    Looks like it should be a link since it has the number on the front.

    I’m not a Tiger’s fan, and this has nothing to do with Kenny Rogers wearing the BP hat. But what the hell link It’s a damn Tigers hat with the (non) Blue Jays alt. hat logo on it. And guess WHO makes it? damn I hate stupid people

    YES!!!!! The Mets are in blue caps, pinstripes, blue undershirts, and blue socks (for David Wright)!

    [quote comment=”74158″][quote comment=”74157″]http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/exhibits/online_exhibits/dressed_to_the_nines/detail_page.asp?fileName=al_1970_milwaukee.gif&Entryid=1163[/quote]
    Looks like it should be a link since it has the number on the front.[/quote]

    Even then, the writing isn’t correct. Look at the e’s.

    [quote comment=”74160″]I’m not a Tiger’s fan, and this has nothing to do with Kenny Rogers wearing the BP hat. But what the hell link It’s a damn Tigers hat with the (non) Blue Jays alt. hat logo on it. And guess WHO makes it?

    damn I hate stupid people[/quote]
    If you look through the entire line of those Nike “link” hats, they all look pretty bad. Most of those logos are pretty unrecognizable. They use tertiary or even quaternary logos, most of which are almost never used. The only logos you’re gonna recognize are those of your local team. For example, is link logo even real?

    [quote comment=”74163″][quote comment=”74158″][quote comment=”74157″]http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/exhibits/online_exhibits/dressed_to_the_nines/detail_page.asp?fileName=al_1970_milwaukee.gif&Entryid=1163[/quote]
    Looks like it should be a link since it has the number on the front.[/quote]

    Even then, the writing isn’t correct. Look at the e’s.[/quote]

    Here’s link from back when he played for the Brew Crew in 1970 and ’71. Also, checking Dressed to the Nines, it looks like such a jersey never existed, since after 1971 the stripes on the jersey changed and the font changed, leaving the whole jersey to look like link.

    Any ideas about this?

    Watching the Mets and Braves on TBS. Mets at home in their classic blue and orange caps and pinstripes. The commentator says how he likes to see them in their classic style. Chip Caray responds “I guess it comes with age to be such a staunch visualizer.” At least it was something along those lines. Immediately thought of the UW.

    One of the Braves announcers on TBS was just talking about how nice it is to see the Mets wearing their traditional uniforms for a change.

    Don Sutton just went on about how he likes the Mets’ pinstripes with the blue and orange caps. He even noticed the black drop shadow on the “traditional” unis. Chip called it a sign of age to be nostalgic for those uniforms. Don didn’t defend himself. (Maybe there’s something to it – I like the black unis and caps myself. Of course, I wish the Cubs would go back to their 1947 home uniforms and find something – anything – that looked good for the road grays.)

    go here and tell the Mets how much you like the blue caps and pinstripes that they’re wearing today and that you would like them to wear this Uni most often. Also ask to get rid of the black being used most of the time!

    [quote comment=”74172″]go here and tell the Mets how much you like the blue caps and pinstripes that they’re wearing today and that you would like them to wear this Uni most often. Also ask to get rid of the black being used most of the time![/quote]

    whoops, link

    I’d say that Brewers uni is either a 1970 spring training frankenstein or a hastened re-lettering job to move the shirt on ebay.

    I was watching Major League lat night and noticed that the catcher for the Yanks in the bottom of the 9th in the last game was wearing no.32. The film was made in 1989, but the no. was retired in 1984 in honor of Elston Howard. I thought this was rather interesting.

    To all the Mets fans complaining about their unis: chill. You haven’t seen bad unis until you’ve seen the Devil Jays in all their glory. You want pain? Try watching those bad boys for 162 games.

    [quote comment=”74162″]YES!!!!! The Mets are in blue caps, pinstripes, blue undershirts, and blue socks (for David Wright)![/quote]

    Paul Lo Duca also hiking up and showing some sock.

    [quote comment=”74166″][quote comment=”74160″]I’m not a Tiger’s fan, and this has nothing to do with Kenny Rogers wearing the BP hat. But what the hell link It’s a damn Tigers hat with the (non) Blue Jays alt. hat logo on it. And guess WHO makes it?

    damn I hate stupid people[/quote]
    If you look through the entire line of those Nike “link” hats, they all look pretty bad. Most of those logos are pretty unrecognizable. They use tertiary or even quaternary logos, most of which are almost never used. The only logos you’re gonna recognize are those of your local team. For example, is link logo even real?[/quote]
    actually it is, even though it show shows up less often than a leap year. the A’s have so many different logos it’s not even funny.

    [quote comment=”74168″][quote comment=”74163″][quote comment=”74158″][quote comment=”74157″]http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/exhibits/online_exhibits/dressed_to_the_nines/detail_page.asp?fileName=al_1970_milwaukee.gif&Entryid=1163[/quote]
    Looks like it should be a link since it has the number on the front.[/quote]

    Even then, the writing isn’t correct. Look at the e’s.[/quote]

    Here’s link from back when he played for the Brew Crew in 1970 and ’71. Also, checking Dressed to the Nines, it looks like such a jersey never existed, since after 1971 the stripes on the jersey changed and the font changed, leaving the whole jersey to look like link.

    Any ideas about this?[/quote]

    Baseball Almanac says that Jim Slaton wore #67 for the Brewers in 1971, but I can’t find a picture of him (or any other 1971 Brewer) online. Could it be that they started the season with the 1970 look, but sometime during the 1971 season they changed the road jersey lettering?

    so many different logos its not funny?

    They have the A’s on the hat, and the elephant on the sleeve. That’s all they have, and the elephant has been there for years.

    What’s with the metallic paint on the front of the Mets’ blue batting helmets? Anyone else notice this?

    Gary Cohen on the Mets’ TV broadcast noted that the Mets were wearing the traditional blue caps with the pinstripes, unlike yesterday when they wore the black and blue.

    I just dread what the marketers will do to the uniforms for the new stadium. We can only hope they are the traditional uniform, but how many new souvenirs will those sell?

    [quote comment=”74169″]Watching the Mets and Braves on TBS. Mets at home in their classic blue and orange caps and pinstripes. The commentator says how he likes to see them in their classic style. Chip Caray responds “I guess it comes with age to be such a staunch visualizer.” At least it was something along those lines. Immediately thought of the UW.[/quote]

    [quote comment=”74175″]I was watching Major League lat night and noticed that the catcher for the Yanks in the bottom of the 9th in the last game was wearing no.32. The film was made in 1989, but the no. was retired in 1984 in honor of Elston Howard. I thought this was rather interesting.[/quote]

    That is listed as a goof (among many others) for Major League in the IMDB. link

    Looks like the Mets are doing the metallic-blue fade thing with the blue Cool-Flo helmets, similar to the two-tones; i.e., metallic blue on the front and along the flanges on each side, fading to a plain blue around the back and top. Take a look at the top of LoDuca’s catching helmet, which has a smooth dome. It has the same paint pattern and looks ridiculous.

    Leave it to the Mets to ruin another good thing.

    I just noticed the other day that the Seattle Mariners have stopped using nameplates on their jerseys.

    They used to look like this: link

    And now look like this:
    link
    and
    link

    From the Hardball Times, re: the Brewers 1970 uniforms:

    Indeed, in 1970, the desperately scrambled-together Brewers—literally, playing in blue-and-gold Pilots uniforms, with “Brewers” hastily stitched on—finished in a flat-footed tie with the Royals, fourth place in the American League West at 65-97.

    The Mets announcer on the WB11 just said “I just love the blue hats and pinstripes” and Keith Hernandez said “Yeah, I agree”.

    Freaking Renteria just tied it at 6…….

    [quote comment=”74166″][quote comment=”74160″]I’m not a Tiger’s fan, and this has nothing to do with Kenny Rogers wearing the BP hat. But what the hell link It’s a damn Tigers hat with the (non) Blue Jays alt. hat logo on it. And guess WHO makes it?

    damn I hate stupid people[/quote]
    If you look through the entire line of those Nike “link” hats, they all look pretty bad. Most of those logos are pretty unrecognizable. They use tertiary or even quaternary logos, most of which are almost never used. The only logos you’re gonna recognize are those of your local team. For example, is link logo even real?[/quote]
    Those aren’t even the worst looking hats on the site. For crying out loud, why would anyone EVER wear one of these link

    Anybody notice that Aaron Heilmann and Willie Randolph are wearing last year’s hat? (grey underside)

    [quote comment=”74183″][quote comment=”74166″][quote comment=”74160″]I’m not a Tiger’s fan, and this has nothing to do with Kenny Rogers wearing the BP hat. But what the hell link It’s a damn Tigers hat with the (non) Blue Jays alt. hat logo on it. And guess WHO makes it?

    damn I hate stupid people[/quote]
    If you look through the entire line of those Nike “link” hats, they all look pretty bad. Most of those logos are pretty unrecognizable. They use tertiary or even quaternary logos, most of which are almost never used. The only logos you’re gonna recognize are those of your local team. For example, is link logo even real?[/quote]
    actually it is, even though it show shows up less often than a leap year. the A’s have so many different logos it’s not even funny.[/quote]

    The Reds have link Twice!

    On another note, can you helpful people help me out here. Im looking to buy a new MLB hat buy im still undecided. D-backs red, Mets all blue or Twins with the red top and black bill?

    [quote comment=”74184″][quote comment=”74168″][quote comment=”74163″][quote comment=”74158″][quote comment=”74157″]http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/exhibits/online_exhibits/dressed_to_the_nines/detail_page.asp?fileName=al_1970_milwaukee.gif&Entryid=1163[/quote]
    Looks like it should be a link since it has the number on the front.[/quote]

    Even then, the writing isn’t correct. Look at the e’s.[/quote]

    Here’s link from back when he played for the Brew Crew in 1970 and ’71. Also, checking Dressed to the Nines, it looks like such a jersey never existed, since after 1971 the stripes on the jersey changed and the font changed, leaving the whole jersey to look like link.

    Any ideas about this?[/quote]

    Baseball Almanac says that Jim Slaton wore #67 for the Brewers in 1971, but I can’t find a picture of him (or any other 1971 Brewer) online. Could it be that they started the season with the 1970 look, but sometime during the 1971 season they changed the road jersey lettering?[/quote]

    Those lowercase letters e in the word “Brewers” is clearly visible on link, none of the other pics I can find with an actual player have an uppercase letter E. Even the front and back number sevens on the eBay shirt are in different fonts, one with serifs, one without.

    I’m wondering if the eBay jersey is the real deal. Caveat emptor, so to speak!

    You would be suprised how many people i have seen wearing the “Candyman” 5950 hat at my school.

    What a rotten f***ing loss. Watch; now they’ll never wear the blue hats again.

    Watching the Giants-D-Backs. Matt Cain is pitching, and he is a Mizuno guy.

    Trivia:
    Do you know what the Mizuno logo represents?

    [quote comment=”74183″][quote comment=”74166″][quote comment=”74160″]I’m not a Tiger’s fan, and this has nothing to do with Kenny Rogers wearing the BP hat. But what the hell link It’s a damn Tigers hat with the (non) Blue Jays alt. hat logo on it. And guess WHO makes it?

    damn I hate stupid people[/quote]
    If you look through the entire line of those Nike “link” hats, they all look pretty bad. Most of those logos are pretty unrecognizable. They use tertiary or even quaternary logos, most of which are almost never used. The only logos you’re gonna recognize are those of your local team. For example, is link logo even real?[/quote]
    actually it is, even though it show shows up less often than a leap year. the A’s have so many different logos it’s not even funny.[/quote]

    That looks like a yellow Orioles’ “O’s” logo……

    Nice to see a couple of Mets wearing the high pants look. With the horrible two days he just had, though, I don’t expect David Wright to stick with it much longer……

    I think Schoenweiss’ ERA matches his uniform number after that sterling “relief” appearance today……

    [quote comment=”74222″]Watching the Giants-D-Backs. Matt Cain is pitching, and he is a Mizuno guy.

    Trivia:
    Do you know what the Mizuno logo represents?[/quote]

    Yes, I believe the “m” logo stands for Mizuno, the name of the company.

    As for the “runbird” logo, I do not know what that represents, since mizuno in Japanese means water field.

    I guess former Rams QB Bob Waterfield was known as Bob Mizuno in Japan.

    Anyone else see what Vince Young is wearing for the cover of Madden 2008? Looks like the alternate powder-blue jersey; couldn’t make out the pants too well (it was a black and white pic), but they look like the alternate powder-blues……

    not uni related, but on todays Indians- Devil Rays game the announcer said that the Rays were thinking of changing their name next year, perhap to Florida Rays. Anyone heard anything on this?

    Yup, it’s a bird; never knew that.
    “The Runbird logo used since 1983 by Mizuno’s athletic division has been unveiled as the company’s new corporate icon. The Runbird has replaced the ‘M’ logo, long associated with Mizuno’s golf and baseball equipment.

    The Runbird was first originated in 1983 to more clearly distinguish Mizuno’s running shoes from those of Adidas – whose 3 stripe design was similar to the original Mizuno ‘M’. The Runbird was created from geometry representing the orbits of three planets, signifying the company’s expansive view and freedom of thought. The design was later nicknamed the Runbird.”

    Boom, Bonds just hits 740.

    I caught a glimpse of the Madden 2008 cover on ESPN the other day, it is the monochrome alternate look…baby blue on baby blue

    I might be going out on a limb here, but I do like both of the Mets alternate caps, although it would be nice to see the all blue cap in the rotation as well. Personally, the all black cap looks the sharpest. I do agree though, that the all black jerseys need to go!!

    [quote comment=”74228″]Boom, Bonds just hits 740.[/quote]

    One of the ESPN talkies summed up the whole home run chase/farce perfectly: The only ones who actually think Barry is chasing Hank Aaron are the delusional idiots sitting at AT&T Park, cheering him on. All he’s doing is adding to his legacy of cheating and lies.

    The steroids must have eroded some of his brain matter if he really thinks that the media have turned Hammerin’ Hank against him.

    [quote comment=”74233″]I might be going out on a limb here, but I do like both of the Mets alternate caps, although it would be nice to see the all blue cap in the rotation as well. Personally, the all black cap looks the sharpest. I do agree though, that the all black jerseys need to go!![/quote]

    We all would love to see the blue cap in rotation as well. it just doesn’t seem like it’s going to happen.

    Although a horrifying thought just occurred: Since the Wilpons are late to jump on bandwagons, what happens when they realize that most teams are moving towards using red as an alternate? Will there be a “ditch the red” campaign at some point in the future……?

    [quote comment=”74234″][quote comment=”74228″]Boom, Bonds just hits 740.[/quote]

    One of the ESPN talkies summed up the whole home run chase/farce perfectly: The only ones who actually think Barry is chasing Hank Aaron are the delusional idiots sitting at AT&T Park, cheering him on. All he’s doing is adding to his legacy of cheating and lies.

    The steroids must have eroded some of his brain matter if he really thinks that the media have turned Hammerin’ Hank against him.[/quote]

    Well, we are delusional, but I don’t know about the idiot part.

    The neutral observer irony to the Bonds mess is that Alex Rodriguez is on a decent pace to challenge 73 (or break 61 legitimately) at the exact same time Bonds is approaching 755. And A-Rod is a fair bet at the career record as well.

    So you could see a bit of a pariah-off as the summer progresses, and A-Rod could evolve into the Bonds-conquering hero of sorts.

    [quote comment=”74239″]The neutral observer irony to the Bonds mess is that Alex Rodriguez is on a decent pace to challenge 73 (or break 61 legitimately) at the exact same time Bonds is approaching 755. And A-Rod is a fair bet at the career record as well.

    So you could see a bit of a pariah-off as the summer progresses, and A-Rod could evolve into the Bonds-conquering hero of sorts.[/quote]

    Wouldn’t that be something. I ‘m pretty sure that even if A-Rod could hit 100 homers, come the playoffs, if he makes an error or fails in the clutch, he’ll be a no-good bum again.

    [quote comment=”74240″]Wouldn’t that be something. I ‘m pretty sure that even if A-Rod could hit 100 homers, come the playoffs, if he makes an error or fails in the clutch, he’ll be a no-good bum again.[/quote]

    Clarification: Yankee fans would consider him a no-good bum again.

    Add to that the idea that he could get into the 60s+ in homers this season, win an MVP, win back the fans in the Bronx, get them deep into the playoffs, then bail in free agency. That would be hilarious.

    [quote comment=”74240″][quote comment=”74239″]The neutral observer irony to the Bonds mess is that Alex Rodriguez is on a decent pace to challenge 73 (or break 61 legitimately) at the exact same time Bonds is approaching 755. And A-Rod is a fair bet at the career record as well.

    So you could see a bit of a pariah-off as the summer progresses, and A-Rod could evolve into the Bonds-conquering hero of sorts.[/quote]

    Wouldn’t that be something. I ‘m pretty sure that even if A-Rod could hit 100 homers, come the playoffs, if he makes an error or fails in the clutch, he’ll be a no-good bum again.[/quote]

    On ESPN this morning, John Saunders said he pretty much hopes Barry ends his career one home run short of the record. I doubt this will happen, but it sure would be interesting.

    Ohio State was wearing a Virginia Tech logo on their helmets for the Scarlet and Gray spring game this past weekend. Rare occurrence indeed to see anything but stripes on the OSU headgear.

    link

    [quote comment=”74227″]not uni related, but on todays Indians- Devil Rays game the announcer said that the Rays were thinking of changing their name next year, perhap to Florida Rays. Anyone heard anything on this?[/quote]

    Chuck a few Devil Rays players and coaches were spotted in Spring Training with “Rays” sweatshirts and t-shirts. Paul has mentioned in the past that it’s basically going to happen soon, them losing the “Devil” part of their name….

    [quote comment=”74246″]Chuck a few Devil Rays players and coaches were spotted in Spring Training with “Rays” sweatshirts and t-shirts.

    Paul has mentioned in the past that it’s basically going to happen soon, them losing the “Devil” part of their name….[/quote]

    Maybe the state of Florida can lose the entire franchise and rectify a huuuuuuuuuuuuge mistake……?

    [quote comment=”74244″]On ESPN this morning, John Saunders said he pretty much hopes Barry ends his career one home run short of the record.

    I doubt this will happen, but it sure would be interesting.[/quote]

    I pretty much hope that managers all over baseball, no matter the situation, would bean Bonds when he was one homer short. Just keep beaning him until he gets the message and leaves. Knowing Barry, though, he wouldn’t get the message.

    [quote comment=”74251″][quote comment=”74244″]On ESPN this morning, John Saunders said he pretty much hopes Barry ends his career one home run short of the record.

    I doubt this will happen, but it sure would be interesting.[/quote]

    I pretty much hope that managers all over baseball, no matter the situation, would bean Bonds when he was one homer short. Just keep beaning him until he gets the message and leaves. Knowing Barry, though, he wouldn’t get the message.[/quote]

    They were saying at this pace, there’s a chance he might do it at Fenway in June, with the ease of Pesky pole. Who knows. Yeah, every pitcher should just walk him or hit him, haha.

    [quote comment=”74237″]Well, we are delusional, but I don’t know about the idiot part.[/quote]

    Perhaps I was a bit harsh.

    I think I would put it this way: The delusional ones are the ones who think that Barry was clean post-1998.

    The idiots are the ones who, despite proof to the contrary, continue to defend and cheer him.

    And as I speak, Baseball Tonight is showing that piece of crap rounding the bases. What a blight on baseball he truly is.

    Man. What is with the NBA playoff alts? The Nets wore the reds and now the Nuggets come out in the dumb midnight blues.

    Maybe the Warriors will balance things out with the cablecar “the City” golds tonight.

    I’ll be glad when he’s gone after this season, for sure. The only reason the G-Men signed him for this year is the hoopla and spike in att due to the record.

    He obviously cheated the game- tho that’s nothing new for players (see Perry, Gaylord among others.)
    If MLB has the definitive goods on him and comes public, he is finished in SF’s court of public opinion. Otherwise, he’ll get a pass here. EVERYone gets apass in SF!

    ..but the reason I want him gone is he is just an unpleasant person. That cash can go to a few more position players. We’ve got really good starting pitching (Zito, Lowery, and Cain who was off the chart today)..we DO need a closer.

    NO way he re-signs with SF this winter.

    [quote comment=”74208″][quote comment=”74166″][quote comment=”74160″]I’m not a Tiger’s fan, and this has nothing to do with Kenny Rogers wearing the BP hat. But what the hell link It’s a damn Tigers hat with the (non) Blue Jays alt. hat logo on it. And guess WHO makes it?

    damn I hate stupid people[/quote]
    If you look through the entire line of those Nike “link” hats, they all look pretty bad. Most of those logos are pretty unrecognizable. They use tertiary or even quaternary logos, most of which are almost never used. The only logos you’re gonna recognize are those of your local team. For example, is link logo even real?[/quote]
    Those aren’t even the worst looking hats on the site. For crying out loud, why would anyone EVER wear one of these link[/quote]

    Looks like a clown threw up the mlb logo. My God!! And I still can’t find the new Dbacks hat at my local Lids but they grace us with ugly ass fashion hats that nobody will wear one year from now.

    Did anyone else see the horrible selection of uniform for Vince Young on the cover of Madden 08. It is completly horrendus.

    Iverson’s wearing a Va Tech tribute patch sewn on his right compression sleeve. AI’s from the Hampton Roads area in SE Virginia.

    Va Tech has released a patch for the shooting. I don’t know whether it will actually go on the unis but it isnt bad. I couldnt find a picture of it other than the one on the front page of hokiesports.com.

    I was watching the Twins game (of course), and I started thinking, “Well, ok. As long as the pants neatly end at the ankle, it’s not so bad.” Then I saw link And link

    I fell in love with the stirrups all over again. Thanks, Ryan Shealy and John Buck for helping me back from the abyss of ‘long pants are acceptable’. I can’t believe I was thisclose to accepting the ‘pajama look’.

    Yes, Buck is in road gray. It’s damn hard to find pictures of the Royals.

    [quote comment=”74258″]Did anyone else see the horrible selection of uniform for Vince Young on the cover of Madden 08. It is completly horrendus.[/quote]

    Every time they show clips of Young on Sportscenter, they never show him in the same uniform twice. How many different uni combos did the Titans use last year?

    (1) White tops/white pants
    (2) White tops/ navy pants
    (3) White tops/ powder-blue pants
    (4) Navy tops/ white pants
    (5) Nay tops/ navy pants
    (6) Powder-blue tops/ navy pants
    (7) Powder-blue tops/ powder-blue pants

    That’s what I can recall off the top of my head. Am I missing any?

    Looks liek someone trying to learn how to graffiti on a baseball cap and doing a piss-poor job of it:

    link

    As for the ugly hats, I am getting myself one of link from the link Or as I keep reading it, kop-tastic.

    I’m going to add link just to make it that much better.

    And why the hell do the Twins have link

    Man, anything for a buck.

    [quote comment=”74255″]Man. What is with the NBA playoff alts? The Nets wore the reds and now the Nuggets come out in the dumb midnight blues.

    Maybe the Warriors will balance things out with the cablecar “the City” golds tonight.[/quote]
    It’s too bad those Warriors uni’s are throwbacks and not actual alts.

    That makes me wonder, why is it that teams don’t incorporate a throwback (such as those Warriors unis) as their alt set? It would probably be nicer than having to stare at those crappy Nuggets and Warriors currents.

    [quote comment=”74266″]As for the ugly hats, I am getting myself one of link from the link Or as I keep reading it, kop-tastic.

    I’m going to add link just to make it that much better.

    And why the hell do the Twins have link

    Man, anything for a buck.[/quote]

    Wow, that “kopasetic” collection cap goes great with the other graffiti cap……

    [quote comment=”74146″]Am I the only one who thinks this Tiger should make a comeback?

    link

    No. I love that logo! I’ve been doing some thinking about the tigers’ uniforms lately. the home unis are classic. don’t touch them. i think the road unis could use a change though. i’d like them to keep the script detroit, but get rid of the double outline. either go with orange outline only or no outline at all.

    [quote comment=”74267″][quote comment=”74255″]Man. What is with the NBA playoff alts? The Nets wore the reds and now the Nuggets come out in the dumb midnight blues.

    Maybe the Warriors will balance things out with the cablecar “the City” golds tonight.[/quote]
    It’s too bad those Warriors uni’s are throwbacks and not actual alts.

    That makes me wonder, why is it that teams don’t incorporate a throwback (such as those Warriors unis) as their alt set? It would probably be nicer than having to stare at those crappy Nuggets and Warriors currents.[/quote]

    Well, Zac. Where’s the money in that? Why limit yourself to three unis when you can toss in a throwback and call it a day?

    [quote comment=”74269″][quote comment=”74146″]Am I the only one who thinks this Tiger should make a comeback?

    link

    No. I love that logo! I’ve been doing some thinking about the tigers’ uniforms lately. the home unis are classic. don’t touch them. i think the road unis could use a change though. i’d like them to keep the script detroit, but get rid of the double outline. either go with orange outline only or no outline at all.[/quote]

    The look on that Tiger’s face seems to be “holy shit, can you believe what we did in 2006?”

    [quote comment=”74268″][quote comment=”74266″]As for the ugly hats, I am getting myself one of link from the link Or as I keep reading it, kop-tastic.

    I’m going to add link just to make it that much better.

    And why the hell do the Twins have link

    Man, anything for a buck.[/quote]

    Wow, that “kopasetic” collection cap goes great with the other graffiti cap……[/quote]

    No kidding, Mr. Met. I was drooling over that phat hat you posted. Yeah, right.

    [quote comment=”74214″][quote comment=”74183″][quote comment=”74166″][quote comment=”74160″]I’m not a Tiger’s fan, and this has nothing to do with Kenny Rogers wearing the BP hat. But what the hell link It’s a damn Tigers hat with the (non) Blue Jays alt. hat logo on it. And guess WHO makes it?

    damn I hate stupid people[/quote]

    If you look through the entire line of those Nike “link” hats, they all look pretty bad. Most of those logos are pretty unrecognizable. They use tertiary or even quaternary logos, most of which are almost never used. The only logos you’re gonna recognize are those of your local team. For example, is link logo even real?[/quote]
    actually it is, even though it show shows up less often than a leap year. the A’s have so many different logos it’s not even funny.[/quote]

    The Reds have link Twice!

    On another note, can you helpful people help me out here. Im looking to buy a new MLB hat buy im still undecided. D-backs red, Mets all blue or Twins with the red top and black bill?[/quote]

    there is only one allowable type of hat for a baseball fan to wear: new era 5950… actually, one exception: twins franchise is pretty sweet too. but nobody should ever wear anything as gaudy as the hat referenced above.

    [quote comment=”74272″]No kidding, Mr. Met. I was drooling over that phat hat you posted. Yeah, right.[/quote]

    The least they could have done is make it a blue cap with an orange button on the top……

    [quote comment=”74274″]there is only one allowable type of hat for a baseball fan to wear: new era 5950… actually, one exception: twins franchise is pretty sweet too. but nobody should ever wear anything as gaudy as the hat referenced above.[/quote]

    Be careful; a lot of those gaudy hats are 5950 hats! You really need to qualify that statement!

    Something about the Raptors-Nets game from yesterday: you can’t discount the creativity-or sense of humor-of Raptors fans. Around the visage of Vince Carter, former Raptor star turned persona non grata in Toronto, is the following:

    “KEEP TORONTO BEAUTIFUL. DUMP YOUR TRASH IN NJ.”

    Sorry if I misquoted. I wish there was a picture of this.

    That was just one of the many signs of bon mots involving VC. I think I saw one that also said “Vin-sanity: Half-Man, Half-Season.”

    Looking through all those hat links, I have to say, I’m kind of glad that they haven’t really made any Mets hats in those horrible designs. Because if I saw a Met fan wearing something like that, I would have to smack him in the head with a hammer……

    I will say this: every time I go to Shea, I see fans wearing “normal” hats for the most part. A lot of blue hats, a few franchise caps here and there, but nothing like those monstrosities.

    [quote comment=”74277″]”KEEP TORONTO BEAUTIFUL. DUMP YOUR TRASH IN NJ.”

    Sorry if I misquoted. I wish there was a picture of this.[/quote]

    Even if you have misquoted, that’s pretty damn funny right there.

    [quote comment=”74257″][quote comment=”74208″][quote comment=”74166″][quote comment=”74160″]I’m not a Tiger’s fan, and this has nothing to do with Kenny Rogers wearing the BP hat. But what the hell link It’s a damn Tigers hat with the (non) Blue Jays alt. hat logo on it. And guess WHO makes it?

    damn I hate stupid people[/quote]
    If you look through the entire line of those Nike “link” hats, they all look pretty bad. Most of those logos are pretty unrecognizable. They use tertiary or even quaternary logos, most of which are almost never used. The only logos you’re gonna recognize are those of your local team. For example, is link logo even real?[/quote]
    Those aren’t even the worst looking hats on the site. For crying out loud, why would anyone EVER wear one of these link[/quote]

    Looks like a clown threw up the mlb logo. My God!! And I still can’t find the new Dbacks hat at my local Lids but they grace us with ugly ass fashion hats that nobody will wear one year from now.[/quote]

    I seem to recall seeing some argyle type hats I thought were the worst things I had ever seen. I was wrong.

    [quote comment=”74276″][quote comment=”74274″]there is only one allowable type of hat for a baseball fan to wear: new era 5950… actually, one exception: twins franchise is pretty sweet too. but nobody should ever wear anything as gaudy as the hat referenced above.[/quote]

    Be careful; a lot of those gaudy hats are 5950 hats! You really need to qualify that statement![/quote]

    You’re right. I mean the official game hats. Even if they’re ugly, I think if the team wears the hats in a game, it is acceptable to wear the hat.

    Looks like the Red Sox are wearing the Jackie Robinson stickers on their hats, which is extra unfortunate.

    I never realized this, but I bought a 59FIFTY from my alma mater last year, and it wasn’t recently that I took a closer look at it. Black underbrim, sweatband is different, 100% polyester; looks like New Era rolled out the new caps some time before they announced the change for Major League Baseball……

    Yay! It posted. schuby! You have to get the Twins’ hat. Why? Because it’s the Twins.

    [quote comment=”74293″]Grrrr. For Mr. Met.

    link[/quote]

    Don’t worry, Minna; in the spirit of Uniwatch, I will do some quality control, and anyone seen wearing that absurd mask-thing or that Santa hat will get a hammer to the head……

    What kind of patch is Daisuke (forget that Dice-K crap) wearing on the side of his cap……?

    Wow, Paul might want to be put on suicide watch after seeing all of the Red Sox wearing the Jackie Robinson stickers on their hats. This has reached a new low.

    [quote comment=”74296″][quote comment=”74293″]Grrrr. For Mr. Met.

    link[/quote]

    Don’t worry, Minna; in the spirit of Uniwatch, I will do some quality control, and anyone seen wearing that absurd mask-thing or that Santa hat will get a hammer to the head……[/quote]

    I was frustrated because it took me several times to post this pic for some reason. I think the next time you go to a game, you should bring a videocam and have a friend tape you bopping offenders on the head. Not hard enough to really hurt them–but hard enough to make your point. Please make sure you include any woman wearing one of linkfor me. Then, you can stream the video online for us to see.

    [quote comment=”74301″]Wow, Paul might want to be put on suicide watch after seeing all of the Red Sox wearing the Jackie Robinson stickers on their hats. This has reached a new low.[/quote]

    Anyone have a screengrab for those of us without cable?

    [quote comment=”74304″]Why? Just… why?

    link

    Um, at least it’s orange and blue….

    Mr. Met, step away from the computer. DO NOT look at any more pictures of hats, or someone may get hurt. This is a PSA for your mental health.

    In San Francisco today I saw a crew filming an ad for the All-Star game. The premise seemed to be an out-of-control tour bus (one of the ones designed to look like a cable bar) with players from all the National League teams in it. A few things that stuck out to me:

    – They were all wearing their whites, thank god. No horrible alternates in sight.
    – The driver was wearing a Yankees uniform.
    – They were all wearing tennis shoes, some of them were white.
    – A few of the actors (stunt doubles? extras?) had some socks showing.

    [quote comment=”74307″]Screenshot of the Sox caps! Getcher screenshots

    link[/quote]

    Thanks, bg. Wow. Did they say the reasoning behind this gesture? It doesn’t look right.

    [quote comment=”74183″][quote comment=”74166″][quote comment=”74160″]I’m not a Tiger’s fan, and this has nothing to do with Kenny Rogers wearing the BP hat. But what the hell link It’s a damn Tigers hat with the (non) Blue Jays alt. hat logo on it. And guess WHO makes it?

    damn I hate stupid people[/quote]
    If you look through the entire line of those Nike “link” hats, they all look pretty bad. Most of those logos are pretty unrecognizable. They use tertiary or even quaternary logos, most of which are almost never used. The only logos you’re gonna recognize are those of your local team. For example, is link logo even real?[/quote]
    actually it is, even though it show shows up less often than a leap year. the A’s have so many different logos it’s not even funny.[/quote]

    That “O” shows up link, actually.

    David Ortiz is wearing #42 tonight, but the announcers on ESPN haven’t mentioned it AT ALL.

    [quote comment=”74313″]David Ortiz is wearing #42 tonight, but the announcers on ESPN haven’t mentioned it AT ALL.[/quote]

    Scratch that, they finally mentioned it. They have a patch on their caps too, and that was finally mentioned by the announcers also.

    they just mentioned Ortiz’s 42; they’re wearing the stickers due to their JR day being snowed out.

    [quote comment=”74301″]Wow, Paul might want to be put on suicide watch after seeing all of the Red Sox wearing the Jackie Robinson stickers on their hats. This has reached a new low.[/quote]

    Oh god no! the red sox jackie robinson day game was rained out so they’re trying to make it up tonight?!?!? We all have to kill ourselves now…..

    The Mets did the same thing on Friday because their JR day was rained out, and it was odd seeing the JR Day logo painted in the grass with the date April 15, 2007 on it……

    It starts to get kind of silly with all the rainouts and such that teams are celebrating JR Day a week later.

    I think Chase Wright is using Sean Henn’s glove, as he did during his first start. Anyone grab a screen shot of it?

    If this was brought up before sorry, but I was watching the Pirates-Dodgers game today and the Dodgers hats and helmets looks odd, almost like there was a black shade to them, I never remember Dodger Blue looking so dark. Anybody else notice this or was it possibly the TV I was watching the game on, it wasnt my normal TV

    [quote comment=”74253″][quote comment=”74237″]Well, we are delusional, but I don’t know about the idiot part.[/quote]

    Perhaps I was a bit harsh.

    I think I would put it this way: The delusional ones are the ones who think that Barry was clean post-1998.

    The idiots are the ones who, despite proof to the contrary, continue to defend and cheer him.

    And as I speak, Baseball Tonight is showing that piece of crap rounding the bases. What a blight on baseball he truly is.[/quote]
    The ‘blight’ is Bud Selig, who only did anything about the steroid problem because congress threatened to remove its anti-trust exemption.
    Bonds is an arrogant tool to be sure, but wasn’t guilty of breaking any of the rules of the game.

    [quote comment=”74326″][quote comment=”74253″][quote comment=”74237″]Well, we are delusional, but I don’t know about the idiot part.[/quote]

    Perhaps I was a bit harsh.

    I think I would put it this way: The delusional ones are the ones who think that Barry was clean post-1998.

    The idiots are the ones who, despite proof to the contrary, continue to defend and cheer him.

    And as I speak, Baseball Tonight is showing that piece of crap rounding the bases. What a blight on baseball he truly is.[/quote]
    The ‘blight’ is Bud Selig, who only did anything about the steroid problem because congress threatened to remove its anti-trust exemption.
    Bonds is an arrogant tool to be sure, but wasn’t guilty of breaking any of the rules of the game.[/quote]

    Except steroids are illegal, which trumps the rules of the game. Either way, I hope that Bonds A)can’t break the record for whatever reason or; B)does it quickly so it’s not a drawn-out process.

    [quote comment=”74331″]Anyone else have trouble posting? I’ve tried it three times.[/quote]

    schuby, are you trying to post links? Some of my posts with links won’t go through.

    Link to a story about the Madden Cover that has a picture of the cover also. I’m from Houston, went to UT while VY was QB there, he used to wear “Oiler” blue at his high school, but this picture, I’m sorry, makes one of the league’s most intimidating players look like a smurf!

    link

    [quote comment=”74326″]The ‘blight’ is Bud Selig, who only did anything about the steroid problem because congress threatened to remove its anti-trust exemption.
    Bonds is an arrogant tool to be sure, but wasn’t guilty of breaking any of the rules of the game.[/quote]

    I never understood that argument: “He never broke any rules of the game”. Welcome to Planet Barry.

    So I guess the logic, then, is that Barry could take steroids and break federal law, but “he never broke a rule of the game”, so the game is bigger than federal law.

    Bonds is beyond guilty, regardless of what major league baseball’s rules say. And while Bud Selig is not innocent in any of this, Selig is not the one engaging in a farce of a home run chase. It’s Barry.

    link at Madison High School. He would be the one under center. Miniature version of the Oilers. The team they’re playing would be Worthing.

    Except steroids are illegal, which trumps the rules of the game. Either way, I hope that Bonds A)can’t break the record for whatever reason or; B)does it quickly so it’s not a drawn-out process.

    Ya know, like him or hate him, Barry Bonds is one of the all time greats. Sorry if you have your biased hatred and are unable to see this. But, my feeling is that we still live in America, and people here are innocent until PROVEN guilty. I know we all love to dump on OJ and Bonds and whoever else, but let’s be real here. Rafael Palmiero (sp?) actually tested positive and never had a reaction like Bonds gets. Even Pete Rose gets a better reception, and he admitted to gambling (although only recently on his own team), which was illegal (in baseball) at the time.

    So, I know that most people around the country can’t stand Barry Bonds, and that he wants to be left alone (shocking!), so he doesn’t often grant interviews, etc. But I don’t think that there are many times when I’ll really get to witness history being made in my lifetime. I am seeing this at the moment with Bonds. If the guy tests positive, I’ll change my tune, but come on folks – be realistic here.

    correct me if i am wrong here, cause i may be- but steroids are used to get stronger, correct?
    So they wouldn’t improve or have anything to do with hitting skill or hand-to-eye coord. Bonds certainly has that. Just a few more HRs to go, and the national media will descend here. When he gets down to 4 to go or so, it’ll be insane.
    My dream job has been to be the Giants PR guy- but I don’t know I’d want it for the next month.

    [quote comment=”74282″][quote comment=”74277″]”KEEP TORONTO BEAUTIFUL. DUMP YOUR TRASH IN NJ.”

    Sorry if I misquoted. I wish there was a picture of this.[/quote]

    Even if you have misquoted, that’s pretty damn funny right there.[/quote]
    I think the sign actually read “Keep Toronto Beautiful, dump your home court advantage in NJ”

    [quote comment=”74308″][quote comment=”74307″]Screenshot of the Sox caps! Getcher screenshots

    link[/quote]

    Thanks, bg. Wow. Did they say the reasoning behind this gesture? It doesn’t look right.[/quote]
    Manny Ramirez’s sticker is on the right, and everybody else’s is on the left. I guess that’s just Manny being Manny.

    You’re arguing about steroids when the real issue is HGH. You don’t grow three shoe sizes on steroids.

    If one doesn’t have the hand-eye coordination to hit a ball one doesn’t reach the majors anyway. if one is especially good at that and can increase strength, mass, and rejuvenate tissue affected by aging through the use of HGH, and build mass and prevent injury inflammation through steroid use, then it could be said that you have an advantage, both in one’s daily game competition and in one’s quest to establish career records based largely upon health and longevity.

    [quote comment=”74330″][quote comment=”74326″][quote comment=”74253″][quote comment=”74237″]Well, we are delusional, but I don’t know about the idiot part.[/quote]

    Perhaps I was a bit harsh.

    I think I would put it this way: The delusional ones are the ones who think that Barry was clean post-1998.

    The idiots are the ones who, despite proof to the contrary, continue to defend and cheer him.

    And as I speak, Baseball Tonight is showing that piece of crap rounding the bases. What a blight on baseball he truly is.[/quote]
    The ‘blight’ is Bud Selig, who only did anything about the steroid problem because congress threatened to remove its anti-trust exemption.
    Bonds is an arrogant tool to be sure, but wasn’t guilty of breaking any of the rules of the game.[/quote]

    Except steroids are illegal, which trumps the rules of the game. Either way, I hope that Bonds A)can’t break the record for whatever reason or; B)does it quickly so it’s not a drawn-out process.[/quote]
    I am no Bonds apologist. He should most likely be in jail. In fact morality is the only thing keeping me from rooting for a career ending injury.
    However, baseball (and therefore commish Selig) is totally culpable in the farce that is Bonds HR total.
    1. They endorsed steroids by not banning them
    2. They endorsed steroids by not attempting to help the authorities prosecute steroid users.
    Of course this is nothing new to baseball, they turned their heads to the abuse of ‘greenies’ or amphetamines in the 60s and 70s.

    [quote comment=”74341″]Except steroids are illegal, which trumps the rules of the game. Either way, I hope that Bonds A)can’t break the record for whatever reason or; B)does it quickly so it’s not a drawn-out process.

    Ya know, like him or hate him, Barry Bonds is one of the all time greats. Sorry if you have your biased hatred and are unable to see this. But, my feeling is that we still live in America, and people here are innocent until PROVEN guilty. I know we all love to dump on OJ and Bonds and whoever else, but let’s be real here. Rafael Palmiero (sp?) actually tested positive and never had a reaction like Bonds gets. Even Pete Rose gets a better reception, and he admitted to gambling (although only recently on his own team), which was illegal (in baseball) at the time.

    So, I know that most people around the country can’t stand Barry Bonds, and that he wants to be left alone (shocking!), so he doesn’t often grant interviews, etc. But I don’t think that there are many times when I’ll really get to witness history being made in my lifetime. I am seeing this at the moment with Bonds. If the guy tests positive, I’ll change my tune, but come on folks – be realistic here.[/quote]

    It’s not a biased hatred of Barry. There has been cheating in baseball since the sport started. Spitters, stealing signs, scuffed balls, amphetamines, what have you.

    Barry was one of the all-time greats before he started taking steroids. And lest you live in a cave, or are a Barry apologist, everything that Barry did was chronicled in Game of Shadows. There’s a reason Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams were prosecuted, and why Barry never sued them for libel: Because everything they said was true.

    And if you want to believe that “oh, Barry didn’t sue them for libel because he didn’t want to acknowledge the lies they wrote about him”, or “libel is so hard to prove that Barry didn’t want to go through with it”, to quote you, let’s be realistic here: Barry was scared shitless to have any of the information about him come out in a public forum. Because had he claimed that the authors lied about him, they were prepared to show the world everything that they had. Authors don’t write books like this unless they have ironclad protection for themselves, and I have no doubt that Barry was afraid of everyone seeing what he did, right there in print. Show me one instance where Barry flat out denied anything in the book. You can’t. Why? Because he never did; the man is arrogant, but he’s not stupid.

    Rafael Palmeiro never had a reaction like Barry did because (A) He wasn’t challenging one of the most hallowed records in all of sports, and (B) he did the smart thing and dropped off the face of the earth (or at least baseball). And I don’t excuse what Rose did gambling on baseball, but he is hardly in Bonds’ league when it comes to despicable behavior, since Pete never took steroids to reach his milestone.

    And for what? Barry did it because of jealousy. He didn’t just want to be one of the all-time greats; he somehow deluded himself into thinking that he would be the greatest hitter of all time. And the truth is that not only is he not, he will never be, and all his narcissism has brung him is scorn and derision. That will be his legacy. And what “history” do you claim to be witnessing? The one where Barry, with his steroid-inflated physique, became a better hitter when the reflexes of players his age start to slow down? To term what Bonds is doing “historical” is a slap in the face of the men who created that history free of any performance enhancing drugs.

    I personally don’t feel like I am watching history. What I am watching is a pampered cheater get one over on the greats that paved the way for him to do what he is doing. Not only is he cheating us, he is cheating them, and unltimately, the integrity of the entire sport.

    [quote comment=”74344″]correct me if i am wrong here, cause i may be- but steroids are used to get stronger, correct?
    So they wouldn’t improve or have anything to do with hitting skill or hand-to-eye coord. Bonds certainly has that. Just a few more HRs to go, and the national media will descend here. When he gets down to 4 to go or so, it’ll be insane.
    My dream job has been to be the Giants PR guy- but I don’t know I’d want it for the next month.[/quote]

    Among other uses, steroids are used to recover faster from injuries and workouts.

    [quote comment=”74349″]Manny Ramirez’s sticker is on the right, and everybody else’s is on the left. I guess that’s just Manny being Manny.[/quote]

    Now THAT was funny.

    [quote comment=”74357″][quote comment=”74349″]Manny Ramirez’s sticker is on the right, and everybody else’s is on the left. I guess that’s just Manny being Manny.[/quote]

    Now THAT was funny.[/quote]

    Almost as funny as Jason Varitek’s sticker location. Half way up the back (forward facing with mask on) of his helmet.

    [quote comment=”74334″]Link to a story about the Madden Cover that has a picture of the cover also. I’m from Houston, went to UT while VY was QB there, he used to wear “Oiler” blue at his high school, but this picture, I’m sorry, makes one of the league’s most intimidating players look like a smurf!

    link

    I know Vince Young had a great rookie year… But I personally feel that how much he is getting pumped up is bullshit… Pro Bowl and Madden Cover for a QB that had a 66.7 rating and more interceptions than touchdown passes? Wait this happened before, Mike Vick. Ben Roethlisberger had 98.1 rating led his team to a 15-1 record and an AFC title game appearance in his rookie year. Then he only went out his second season and carried the Steelers to the Super Bowl title. We also have to mention The Steelers have way better unis than the 50 different variations of the Titans’.

    [quote comment=”74191″][quote comment=”74175″]I was watching Major League lat night and noticed that the catcher for the Yanks in the bottom of the 9th in the last game was wearing no.32. The film was made in 1989, but the no. was retired in 1984 in honor of Elston Howard. I thought this was rather interesting.[/quote]

    That is listed as a goof (among many others) for Major League in the IMDB. link[/quote]

    i dunno why, but i never even thought to look at imdb…thats usually my first stop in that kind of situation

    [quote comment=”74229″]Great picture of the Pilots full road uni link and the 1970 Brewers road uni link[/quote]

    I remember Jim Bouton ripping on the Pilots’ uniforms in “Ball Four,” especially as they compared to the Yankees’ uniforms. The sleeves may be gaudy, but those hose are sweet.

    [quote comment=”74365″][quote comment=”74229″]Great picture of the Pilots full road uni link and the 1970 Brewers road uni link[/quote]

    I remember Jim Bouton ripping on the Pilots’ uniforms in “Ball Four,” especially as they compared to the Yankees’ uniforms.
    The sleeves may be gaudy, but those hose are sweet.[/quote]

    Not to mention the plain black shoes.

    [quote comment=”74364″]PROCTOR GOT ROCKED!!!![/quote]
    Yeah, and Matsuzaka was just untouchable.

    Does anybody know if there is any place where I could get an old, wool 5950 had, possibly for less than the outrageous price they charge for the new one? Thanks.

    Incidentally, Ozzie Guillen has been wearing last year’s hat in the games in Detroit this weekend. One of the first things I noticed watching the game, causing all else to say, “how would you know something like that?”

    [quote comment=”74361″][quote comment=”74334″]Link to a story about the Madden Cover that has a picture of the cover also. I’m from Houston, went to UT while VY was QB there, he used to wear “Oiler” blue at his high school, but this picture, I’m sorry, makes one of the league’s most intimidating players look like a smurf!

    link

    I know Vince Young had a great rookie year… But I personally feel that how much he is getting pumped up is bullshit… Pro Bowl and Madden Cover for a QB that had a 66.7 rating and more interceptions than touchdown passes? Wait this happened before, Mike Vick. Ben Roethlisberger had 98.1 rating led his team to a 15-1 record and an AFC title game appearance in his rookie year. Then he only went out his second season and carried the Steelers to the Super Bowl title. We also have to mention The Steelers have way better unis than the 50 different variations of the Titans’.[/quote]

    Gee, let me guess: Steelers’ fan?

    Actually, I read that LaDainian Tomlinson was the first choice to be the cover boy for Madden 2008, but he turned it down.

    It’s probably for the best that Roethlisberger isn’t the cover boy. After his accident last year and the injuries suffered during the year, do you really want him to fall prey to the Madden Curse as well?

    [quote comment=”74371″]Does anybody know if there is any place where I could get an old, wool 5950 had, possibly for less than the outrageous price they charge for the new one? Thanks.[/quote]

    Most of the team clubhouse shops have the prices slashed because of the new caps. Either that or try Lids or a sports retailer like Modells or Dicks……

    [quote comment=”74375″][quote comment=”74371″]Does anybody know if there is any place where I could get an old, wool 5950 had, possibly for less than the outrageous price they charge for the new one? Thanks.[/quote]

    Most of the team clubhouse shops have the prices slashed because of the new caps. Either that or try Lids or a sports retailer like Modells or Dicks……[/quote]
    Yeah, they’ll be on sale there if you have a tiny or huge head, because that will be all of the stock they have left. You should try eBay.

    From the link:
    On the outside of DeShawn Stevenson’s right shoe is written “Gil ‘0’.” On the outside of his left shoe is written “CB’3′.” In honor of his fallen comrades, of course. He said Roger Mason did the same thing, and that he’s been doing it since Arenas and Butler went down, but it was news to me.

    Any one see any photos of this?

    [quote comment=”74377″]Yeah, they’ll be on sale there if you have a tiny or huge head, because that will be all of the stock they have left. You should try eBay.[/quote]

    Well you know, Mr. Met… big head…

    [quote comment=”74373″][quote comment=”74361″][quote comment=”74334″]Link to a story about the Madden Cover that has a picture of the cover also. I’m from Houston, went to UT while VY was QB there, he used to wear “Oiler” blue at his high school, but this picture, I’m sorry, makes one of the league’s most intimidating players look like a smurf!

    link

    I know Vince Young had a great rookie year… But I personally feel that how much he is getting pumped up is bullshit… Pro Bowl and Madden Cover for a QB that had a 66.7 rating and more interceptions than touchdown passes? Wait this happened before, Mike Vick. Ben Roethlisberger had 98.1 rating led his team to a 15-1 record and an AFC title game appearance in his rookie year. Then he only went out his second season and carried the Steelers to the Super Bowl title. We also have to mention The Steelers have way better unis than the 50 different variations of the Titans’.[/quote]

    Gee, let me guess: Steelers’ fan?

    Actually, I read that LaDainian Tomlinson was the first choice to be the cover boy for Madden 2008, but he turned it down.

    It’s probably for the best that Roethlisberger isn’t the cover boy. After his accident last year and the injuries suffered during the year, do you really want him to fall prey to the Madden Curse as well?[/quote]

    Actually I’m not making an argument for Ben to be on the cover, last thing he needs is more bad luck. I’m just making an argument as to why Vince Young is being pumped up way to much. I think Young had a surprising rookie year, but when looking at his stats, he isn’t the sole reason that team turned it around.

    To return one last time to the cameo appearance topic…I did a quick search through the comments, and didn’t find anyone mentioning Julius Erving as an Atlanta Hawk. This would have been in 1973, I think. Again, trying to recall, I believe his paychecks from the Squires were bouncing, so he jumped leagues, citing breach of contract.

    Eventually, the courts ruled against Erving, but the Squires of course had to trade him to a team that would actually pay him.

    This would’ve been a VERY brief stint–no more than a few exhibition games, if that.

    On the other hand, a team featuring Erving and Pete Maravich would’ve been something.

    [quote comment=”74380″]Actually I’m not making an argument for Ben to be on the cover, last thing he needs is more bad luck. I’m just making an argument as to why Vince Young is being pumped up way to much. I think Young had a surprising rookie year, but when looking at his stats, he isn’t the sole reason that team turned it around.[/quote]

    Well the whole thing with the Madden cover is that I think they tend to pick the hot player at the moment. Clearly, off his campaign from last year, that would be LT, but since he turned it down, who do you turn to? The second biggest story last year was Vince Young’s jump to starting QB, and while his stats may not have reflected it, he was arguably the second-most exciting player in the NFL last year.

    [quote comment=”74369″][quote comment=”74364″]PROCTOR GOT ROCKED!!!![/quote]
    Yeah, and Matsuzaka was just untouchable.[/quote]

    Get the brooms out buddy! SWEEEEEEEEP!

    [quote comment=”74357″][quote comment=”74349″]Manny Ramirez’s sticker is on the right, and everybody else’s is on the left. I guess that’s just Manny being Manny.[/quote]

    Now THAT was funny.[/quote]

    So is this.
    link

    To TD: thanks for the pics of the VT patch. Please close your tags next time so I can reply to you directly.

    I like the patch, but it clashes with the baby blue sleeve. I don’t like baby blue in general, but I think we should let it slide this time. Props to AI for showing support for VaTech.

    [quote comment=”74354″][quote comment=”74341″]Except steroids are illegal, which trumps the rules of the game. Either way, I hope that Bonds A)can’t break the record for whatever reason or; B)does it quickly so it’s not a drawn-out process.

    Ya know, like him or hate him, Barry Bonds is one of the all time greats. Sorry if you have your biased hatred and are unable to see this. But, my feeling is that we still live in America, and people here are innocent until PROVEN guilty. I know we all love to dump on OJ and Bonds and whoever else, but let’s be real here. Rafael Palmiero (sp?) actually tested positive and never had a reaction like Bonds gets. Even Pete Rose gets a better reception, and he admitted to gambling (although only recently on his own team), which was illegal (in baseball) at the time.

    So, I know that most people around the country can’t stand Barry Bonds, and that he wants to be left alone (shocking!), so he doesn’t often grant interviews, etc. But I don’t think that there are many times when I’ll really get to witness history being made in my lifetime. I am seeing this at the moment with Bonds. If the guy tests positive, I’ll change my tune, but come on folks – be realistic here.[/quote]

    It’s not a biased hatred of Barry. There has been cheating in baseball since the sport started. Spitters, stealing signs, scuffed balls, amphetamines, what have you.

    Barry was one of the all-time greats before he started taking steroids. And lest you live in a cave, or are a Barry apologist, everything that Barry did was chronicled in Game of Shadows. There’s a reason Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams were prosecuted, and why Barry never sued them for libel: Because everything they said was true.

    And if you want to believe that “oh, Barry didn’t sue them for libel because he didn’t want to acknowledge the lies they wrote about him”, or “libel is so hard to prove that Barry didn’t want to go through with it”, to quote you, let’s be realistic here: Barry was scared shitless to have any of the information about him come out in a public forum. Because had he claimed that the authors lied about him, they were prepared to show the world everything that they had. Authors don’t write books like this unless they have ironclad protection for themselves, and I have no doubt that Barry was afraid of everyone seeing what he did, right there in print. Show me one instance where Barry flat out denied anything in the book. You can’t. Why? Because he never did; the man is arrogant, but he’s not stupid.

    Rafael Palmeiro never had a reaction like Barry did because (A) He wasn’t challenging one of the most hallowed records in all of sports, and (B) he did the smart thing and dropped off the face of the earth (or at least baseball). And I don’t excuse what Rose did gambling on baseball, but he is hardly in Bonds’ league when it comes to despicable behavior, since Pete never took steroids to reach his milestone.

    And for what? Barry did it because of jealousy. He didn’t just want to be one of the all-time greats; he somehow deluded himself into thinking that he would be the greatest hitter of all time. And the truth is that not only is he not, he will never be, and all his narcissism has brung him is scorn and derision. That will be his legacy. And what “history” do you claim to be witnessing? The one where Barry, with his steroid-inflated physique, became a better hitter when the reflexes of players his age start to slow down? To term what Bonds is doing “historical” is a slap in the face of the men who created that history free of any performance enhancing drugs.

    I personally don’t feel like I am watching history. What I am watching is a pampered cheater get one over on the greats that paved the way for him to do what he is doing. Not only is he cheating us, he is cheating them, and unltimately, the integrity of the entire sport.[/quote]

    “Barry and his big mellon,” I think you missed my point. Your “proof” that Barry Bonds did something wrong was a book. This is a player who has never tested positive for steroids or HGH. As I said before, if he tests positive, I will change my tune, but since I live in America and believe in its values, I still believe in “innocent until proven guilty.” By the way, that’s “proven guilty” not “assumed to be guilty by a certain amount of people.”

    By the way, do you assume that Lance Armstrong is guilty too?

    [quote comment=”74387″][quote comment=”74369″][quote comment=”74364″]PROCTOR GOT ROCKED!!!![/quote]
    Yeah, and Matsuzaka was just untouchable.[/quote]

    Get the brooms out buddy!

    SWEEEEEEEEP![/quote]
    yeah, good thing the red sox decided to show up when it mattered, you know like in april.

    All their proof was obtained illegally. Hence the prosecution. We will probably never see it. But again, authors do not write books like this unless they have ironclad protection against being sued for libel. Barry Bonds has never denied anything that was written about him. He never sued for libel. Every chance that he was given to rebut the allegations against him, he sidestepped the questions. Draw your own conclusion.

    But I guess you’ve drawn your own conclusion, and your logic is that because we can’t see the proof, it therefore does not exist. So all the Balco charts, all the testimony, even though two men have gone to jail for getting their hands on all that information, there is no proof that Barry did anything.

    Keep on living in your fantasy world believing that Barry was clean when he put up his ridiculous numbers. Your eyes plainly tell you that he was not. But I guess because you have no proof, you won’t believe your lying eyes either.

    By the way, do you assume that OJ Simpson is out there searching for his ex-wife’s “real killers”?

    i love the consensus about the mets pinstripe unis with the blue caps. you would think the mets would pick up on this somehow. i seem to remember the article paul was interviewed in during the playoffs that the mets said they would consider changes for the opening of citi field in ’09. it would be fitting that the mets would return their unis to world class status while ushering in a world class ballpark.

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