What Is It They Have in Europe? Oh, Right: Taste

Those European hockey jerseys defy words.

Some uni observations from last night’s BCS game-
Florida’s uniforms were way too busy with link The SEC patch got cut in favor of the BCS Championship patch and their 100th anniversary patch. Is that 100 years of football? And on the subject of the patch, unlike in Europe, we in the US are very against on-uniform advertisements, but having “Tostitos” on the patch seems to be okay.

I never noticed that Ohio State’s pants are not as silver as their helmets. It’s sort of a link shade, I don’t even know what to call it.

A lot of the Florida players were wearing the Nike Pro Vent undershirts, and some had the personalized tribal designs on the shoulders. When the jersey partially obscured the design, the two tribal lightning bolt things, coupled with the swoosh, looked like a smiley face on their sleeves. Still trying to find photo evidence.

[quote comment=”39505″]Some uni observations from last night’s BCS game-
Florida’s uniforms were way too busy with link The SEC patch got cut in favor of the BCS Championship patch and their 100th anniversary patch. Is that 100 years of football? And on the subject of the patch, unlike in Europe, we in the US are very against on-uniform advertisements, but having “Tostitos” on the patch seems to be okay.

[/quote]

Allowing teams to place sponsors on a jersey or uniform has always been taboo, but giving corporate sponsors influence on the naming of the sporting events themselves has been popular for quite a while. The name of the game being played, like it or not, was the “Tostitos BCS Championship”, which the patch indicated. Much different than individual teams printing sponsor name on the uniforms.

it was mentioned last week in the steve yzerman article that their hanging banners were replace with newer, more accurate banners.
UNC has gone under a similar facelift, replacing ALL the smith center banners. retired/honored jerseys, championship, etc.
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the smith center is finishing up its renovation…
if you guys are looking for any gift ideas for me…
link

Hi there
The Swiss Top Scorer has to wear that strange TOP SCORER jersey, which is sponsored by the Swiss Postal Office. The idea is, that for every scorer point, the Swiss Postal Office pays 200 Swiss Francs to Juniors’ ice hockey programms all around Switzerland and the players, as well (current rankings link and the complete concept link).

[quote comment=”39511″]Is Jim Rice wearing a link under his uniform?[/quote]
No, but close- its a rubberized windbreaker. Pretty common in baseball, but I was too lazy too dig one up in a catolog.

Also, call me crazy, but am I the only one who thinks those McDonalds hockey socks are so bad they’re good? I like ’em!

[quote comment=”39518″]

Also, call me crazy, but am I the only one who thinks those McDonalds hockey socks are so bad they’re good? I like ’em![/quote]

You may be alone there…

Seeing those sponsor logo filled uniforms almost makes it seem silly to complain about a simple ‘swoosh’ here and there.

[quote comment=”39505″] Some uni observations from last night’s BCS game-
Florida’s uniforms were way too busy with link The SEC patch got cut in favor of the BCS Championship patch and their 100th anniversary patch. Is that 100 years of football? And on the subject of the patch, unlike in Europe, we in the US are very against on-uniform advertisements, but having “Tostitos” on the patch seems to be okay.[/quote]

Actually, it looks like they are wearing THREE patches. There is an SEC patch where the v-neck meets. I’ve never seen this type of conference patch before. It’s just the standard NCAA patch with the conference name replacing “NCAA.” Did other teams do this during the season?

or i can get beaten to the punch…good eye Jeff.

After looking at those Euro-hockey unis, the much-dreaded “launch” of the new Reebok unis at this year’s NHL All-Star Game doesn’t seem so bad…

However, they’ll still have to rip my Glenn Hall “replica” St. Louis Blues sweater off my cold, dead body! ;-)

Here is the picture of link

I’m sure the subject has been discussed before, but am I the only one who thought OSU’s link looked incredibly tacky last night? I’m not a fan of the concept to begin with, but after a season’s accumulation, it just looks pretty stupid.

[quote comment=”39535″]I’m sure the subject has been discussed before, but am I the only one who thought OSU’s link looked incredibly tacky last night? I’m not a fan of the concept to begin with, but after a season’s accumulation, it just looks pretty stupid.[/quote]

am I mistaken, or was there a time where OSU used to only put the buckeye pride stickers on one side of the helmet?

I have a mental image of that in my head, and the mental image of that in my head is pretty cool.

Even as a most diehard Gator fan, the logo creep leather jacket Urban Meyer put on after the game was shameless….at least he admitted that “Nike is very good to us” and that he essentially had no choice but to wear it?

[quote comment=”39532″]OK, I’m a Euro-hockey buffoon. What would these club team be comparable to in the U.S.? Would they be IHL/AHL level, or more along the lines of the USHL (Green Bay Gamblers, Sioux Falls Stampede, etc…), or better, or worse. Just curious.[/quote]

The better teams there would probably be a low level AHL team at best. There are many players over there that would be excellent players over here right away (like Henrik Lundqvist), but top to bottom, I don’t think they’d have the depth of the AHL teams here.

On a uni related note, McDonald’s really seems to be big on hockey for some reason. They have had plenty of sponsorships on AHL and lower level unis before.

[quote comment=”39540″]Even as a most diehard Gator fan, the logo creep leather jacket Urban Meyer put on after the game was shameless….at least he admitted that “Nike is very good to us” and that he essentially had no choice but to wear it?[/quote]

I missed it–anyone with a pic?

[quote comment=”39544″]I don’t mind the helmet stickers, but I am afraid it is getting out of hand. While watching the OSU/UF game it looked like everyone had atleast one side of their helmet completely full. I know it is suppose to show accomplishments, but if everyone is doing it is it still a big accomplishment. I noticed it during the BYU/Oregon game as well.[/quote]

With the season they had, I’m not surprised that a lot of players had a lot of stickers. If the sickers are rewards for good play, then logically you should expect that an undefeated (until last night) team that goes to the National Championship has a lot of players who played very well throughout the season. If the team was 2-10, it would be harder to justify that many merit awards.

(For the record, I am NOT an tOSU fan, nor a fan of the helmet stickers).

[quote comment=”39504″]just to help out with some post xmas shopping,
here are the most recent friends and family offers
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go nuts![/quote]

MLB.com is offering buy 2 caps get one free on most of their stock, until the 15th of January

Good story, but I’m curious what your “day” is. In the early 90s when I lived in Raleigh, my Little League team was “Grocery Boy Jr” named for our sponsor, the convenience store. A year later when I moved to Texas, I played for the Twins, and wore the MLB logo uniform like many youth leagues do today.

Mid 70’s.

I was always jealous of the McDonald’s Giants, as the players were always treated to a free meal after every game, while I got nothing from the local auto parts

:D As McD’s we would get a business card after each game that gave us a free soda, hamburger, or fries. Besides my brother getting paid by the bank to play, the only other team that got goodies was the team named after the sub shop. They go a free sub for every win. We also had a team for the funeral home, local pharmacy (thank got there was no viagra back then), Lions club, Rotary club, and a few other that i can not remember these days.

[quote comment=”39556″][quote comment=”39543″][quote comment=”39532″]OK, I’m a Euro-hockey buffoon. What would these club team be comparable to in the U.S.? Would they be IHL/AHL level, or more along the lines of the USHL (Green Bay Gamblers, Sioux Falls Stampede, etc…), or better, or worse. Just curious.[/quote]

The better teams there would probably be a low level AHL team at best. There are many players over there that would be excellent players over here right away (like Henrik Lundqvist), but top to bottom, I don’t think they’d have the depth of the AHL teams here.[/quote]

So, before you judge, bear in mind that for many clubs, this sponsorship money is a vital source of income.[/quote]

We should also keep in mind that this behavior is not isolated in Europe, or even overseas–it can be seen in link as well.

[quote comment=”39544″]I don’t mind the helmet stickers, but I am afraid it is getting out of hand. While watching the OSU/UF game it looked like everyone had atleast one side of their helmet completely full. I know it is suppose to show accomplishments, but if everyone is doing it is it still a big accomplishment. I noticed it during the BYU/Oregon game as well.[/quote]

My buddy commented last night on this saying there were a lot of helmet stickers on the helmets

[quote comment=”39549″][quote comment=”39544″]I don’t mind the helmet stickers, but I am afraid it is getting out of hand. While watching the OSU/UF game it looked like everyone had atleast one side of their helmet completely full. I know it is suppose to show accomplishments, but if everyone is doing it is it still a big accomplishment. I noticed it during the BYU/Oregon game as well.[/quote]

With the season they had, I’m not surprised that a lot of players had a lot of stickers. If the sickers are rewards for good play, then logically you should expect that an undefeated (until last night) team that goes to the National Championship has a lot of players who played very well throughout the season. If the team was 2-10, it would be harder to justify that many merit awards.

(For the record, I am NOT an tOSU fan, nor a fan of the helmet stickers).[/quote]

Also if they get one for every win that means if someone didn’t play all year, they still got 12 stickers on their helmet for being on the team

Ok, since there seems to be some confusion, I’ll provide some more. :o)

The Russian Elite League would be much higher than AHL level. It is considered the second-best hockey league in the world (unofficially). The Swedish Elite League, the Finnish SM-liiga, and the Swiss Elite League would be around the AHL level, although they generally have higher calibre of play. The German Elite League would be equal to or slightly below the AHL. Since not much is spoken about the Czech Extra League, I would take a shot and lump it in with the Swedish, Finnish, and Swiss Leagues. If Jagr went home to play there, it can’t be that bad.

As for the ads on the jerseys, I’ve made mention of how these teams don’t have billionaires funding them. Avangard Omsk of the Russian Super League may be the only one, as Roman Abramovich is the owner. The teams and leagues sell off areas of the jerseys in order to generate revenue.

Ticket prices in Europe to one of the Elite Leagues rarely range above $50US. In fact, most are more than affordable. In the Russian Super League, most tickets range between $5US and $20US. Can you even buy a nosebleed ticket in the NHL for that? No.

In this case, advertising helps the consumer. In fact, to sit in the best seats to see Metallurg Magnitogorsk, one of the better Russian teams, it would cost you about $7.50 per ticket.

Count me among those who liked the spoke-striped ref uniform. . . minus the gaudy stuff.

[quote comment=”39564″]
In this case, advertising helps the consumer. In fact, to sit in the best seats to see Metallurg Magnitogorsk, one of the better Russian teams, it would cost you about $7.50 per ticket.[/quote]

Advertising (the “pre-show countdown” which is a bunch of ads) at the movies hasn’t helped drop or stop the rising costs of tickets there.

[quote comment=”39567″]Count me among those who liked the spoke-striped ref uniform. . . minus the gaudy stuff.[/quote]

Anthony, we agree again. If they got rid of the adverts, they would have something there.

The Russian Elite League would be much higher than AHL level. It is considered the second-best hockey league in the world (unofficially). The Swedish Elite League, the Finnish SM-liiga, and the Swiss Elite League would be around the AHL level, although they generally have higher calibre of play. The German Elite League would be equal to or slightly below the AHL. Since not much is spoken about the Czech Extra League, I would take a shot and lump it in with the Swedish, Finnish, and Swiss Leagues. If Jagr went home to play there, it can’t be that bad

Thanks for the info. I’m learning a ton. I have no problem with ‘logo creep’ as it were, if it helps the consumer, regardless of aethetics. Do you have any idea what players in these leagues are paid (U.S. equiv.)? Are the leagues considered strictly developmental, or are they similar to Independant League baseball, which is often a mix of young players still holding out hope that they will make it, and older guys just playing a sport they enjoy while they’re still reasonably talented?

[quote comment=”39563″][quote comment=”39541″][quote comment=”39529″]#30 for the Gators last night, Earl Everett was wearing only one Nike plastered sleeve.Also his helmet flew off while making a sack on Troy Smith. Perhaps a chinstrap malfunction?[/quote]

Since they replayed that over and over again during the game, what I think happened was not a chinstrap malfunction, but when he ducked his head a little bit and got hit/grabbed on the back of the helmet it just slid off…most of the time when this happens, it’s with the guys who have a lot of hair (link/link)[/quote]

Not to get picky, but those aren’t “dreadlocks.” link are dreadlocks. Those are braids.[/quote]

But you get the idea

[quote comment=”39570″][quote comment=”39535″]I’m sure the subject has been discussed before, but am I the only one who thought OSU’s link looked incredibly tacky last night? I’m not a fan of the concept to begin with, but after a season’s accumulation, it just looks pretty stupid.[/quote]

Steve, it bothered me because the helmets that weren’t entirely filled seemed unfinished to me. One guy had all of one side filled and half of the other; I wanted to run out there and slap six or seven more decals on him to fill the empty space.

It also bothered me that during the double Script Ohio (TM), the camera people were running in between the two scripts and ruining the visuals.

Howewer, neither of those bothered me more than Ohio State laying a big egg during the PenzoilSuperAmericaMegaMallKrispyKreme National Championship–that was the worst sight of all.[/quote]
The Fox telecast here in AZ went to commercial during the OSU band’s performance. The only thing I was looking forward to during halftime.
BTW – glad you got the mag, I hear if you look real hard there are some articles in there.

What jerseys are Ripken and Gwynn wearing in the photo on the ESPN Baseball homepage?

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You didn;t miss much in tOSU’s band. They were playing Titanic. Formed a ship and sunk it when the band hid underneath blue tarps.
Pretty ironic considering their football team this year.

[quote comment=”39587″]Having received the offer from MLB.com, I was perusing the online aisles of MLB.com’s shop. It was there that I noticed link.

Now I don’t want to rain on Cleveland’s heritage, but doesn’t that cap look like it should be part of link? According to the info on MLB.com, Cleveland wore this hat from 1959-1961, 1963-64, and 1970-71.[/quote]

Or how about link Teebz

[quote comment=”39525″][quote comment=”39505″] Some uni observations from last night’s BCS game-
Florida’s uniforms were way too busy with link The SEC patch got cut in favor of the BCS Championship patch and their 100th anniversary patch. Is that 100 years of football? And on the subject of the patch, unlike in Europe, we in the US are very against on-uniform advertisements, but having “Tostitos” on the patch seems to be okay.[/quote]

Actually, it looks like they are wearing THREE patches. There is an SEC patch where the v-neck meets. I’ve never seen this type of conference patch before. It’s just the standard NCAA patch with the conference name replacing “NCAA.” Did other teams do this during the season?[/quote]

Auburn wears a similar pennant patch with “SEC” inscribed. Florida is unique in that it’s placed in the center of the jersey. All SEC teams must wear an SEC patch, either on their jersey or on their helmet.

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[quote comment=”39594″][quote comment=”39586″]What jerseys are Ripken and Gwynn wearing in the photo on the ESPN Baseball homepage?

link

I was just about to ask the same question. Gwynn’s uniform looks very weird so I looked at Dressed to the Nines and there was no match for that uniform. They had pinstripes starting in link but the “Padres” was not in script. Also I did not see a brown hat with white “SD” on it. It is completely foreign. Anyone else know about this?[/quote]

Plus Ripken is wearing pinstripes that have a shade that is very close to Gwynn’s uniform.

[quote comment=”39591″][quote comment=”39587″]Having received the offer from MLB.com, I was perusing the online aisles of MLB.com’s shop. It was there that I noticed link.

Now I don’t want to rain on Cleveland’s heritage, but doesn’t that cap look like it should be part of link? According to the info on MLB.com, Cleveland wore this hat from 1959-1961, 1963-64, and 1970-71.[/quote]

Or how about link Teebz[/quote]

Maybe the state of Ohio was running out of ideas in the late 1960s and early 1970s?

The Reds and Indians have the same logo as the Chicago Bears, and Cleveland wears the same colours. It reeks of a lawsuit for infringement. :o)

[quote comment=”39596″][quote comment=”39589″]You didn;t miss much in tOSU’s band. They were playing Titanic. Formed a ship and sunk it when the band hid underneath blue tarps.
Pretty ironic considering their football team this year.[/quote]
Is that what that was???? I saw that part and then the commercials started. I just wanted to see someone dot the i.[/quote]
I was in The Fightin’ Texas Aggie Band for 4 years. That’s what it looked like tOSU was doing on TV to me. Did they know they were going to be on national TV doing that, and playing a bad song from 7 years ago?

[quote comment=”39596″][quote comment=”39589″]You didn;t miss much in tOSU’s band. They were playing Titanic. Formed a ship and sunk it when the band hid underneath blue tarps.
Pretty ironic considering their football team this year.[/quote]
Is that what that was???? I saw that part and then the commercials started. I just wanted to see someone dot the i.[/quote]

Then you should have watched the pregame show. I normally don’t, but I was already watching tv and didn’t want to turn it off for fifteen minutes and come back again. You could have seen a double dotting! And camera people ruining it. Where is Kenny Rogers when you need him?

[quote comment=”39512″]it was mentioned last week in the steve yzerman article that their hanging banners were replace with newer, more accurate banners.
UNC has gone under a similar facelift, replacing ALL the smith center banners. retired/honored jerseys, championship, etc.
link
link

the smith center is finishing up its renovation…
if you guys are looking for any gift ideas for me…
link[/quote]

The after pic returns just a blank page.

the double script ohio was unbelievable!
its just one of those things in sports that is neat to see/be a part of.

the fact that there have been only 6 non-senior sousaphone playing individuals who have ever dotted the eye in the history of the band is also something refreshing. the band could easily auction the opportunity to do that at home games to raise funds. can you imagine how much they would get for the home michigan game?

[quote comment=”39595″][quote comment=”39594″][quote comment=”39586″]What jerseys are Ripken and Gwynn wearing in the photo on the ESPN Baseball homepage?

link

I was just about to ask the same question. Gwynn’s uniform looks very weird so I looked at Dressed to the Nines and there was no match for that uniform. They had pinstripes starting in link but the “Padres” was not in script. Also I did not see a brown hat with white “SD” on it. It is completely foreign. Anyone else know about this?[/quote]

Plus Ripken is wearing pinstripes that have a shade that is very close to Gwynn’s uniform.[/quote]

And I don’t think he ever wore that hat either.

[quote comment=”39607″]the double script ohio was unbelievable!
its just one of those things in sports that is neat to see/be a part of.

the fact that there have been only 6 non-senior sousaphone playing individuals who have ever dotted the eye in the history of the band is also something refreshing. the band could easily auction the opportunity to do that at home games to raise funds. can you imagine how much they would get for the home michigan game?[/quote]

Since I play tuba, I’d buy the spot for the hell of it!

[quote comment=”39605″][quote comment=”39512″]it was mentioned last week in the steve yzerman article that their hanging banners were replace with newer, more accurate banners.
UNC has gone under a similar facelift, replacing ALL the smith center banners. retired/honored jerseys, championship, etc.
link
link

the smith center is finishing up its renovation…
if you guys are looking for any gift ideas for me…
link[/quote]

The after pic returns just a blank page.[/quote]

sorry!
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not sure if anyone has been to the fiesta bowl at all, but in 96 when i went, they gave out free souvenir cups filled with tostitos and little salsa cups… unlimited trips. they had high school kids, grabbing cup after cup and just filling them with product and setting them on tables.
my group i think walked away with like 50 cups that night…
i remember mentioning that i wanted to go to the NOKIA sugar bowl the next year and get a phone for nothing.

one side note. at the army/navy game this year, a phone sponsor (att maybe?) gave away a $20 phone card to all current army and navy cadets/middies in attendance. all they had to do was go to one of a few different redemption centers at the linc and provide evidence they were active.

[quote comment=”39618″]
The interesting thing is that the star QB for Westlake didn’t wear any helmet stickers at all during the season: quote]

that is a refreshing “act like youve been there before” attitude. especially for a high school student. he doesnt need stickers on his helmet to know, or to let everyone else know that he is good.

Pretty amusing link on ESPN.com today, inadvertently blurring out the swoosh on Chris Leak’s jersey with a well-timed piece of confetti.

Is there anything more annoying than people writing tOSU? That is the dumbest crap I’ve ever seen. How about tTEAMTHATGOTSPANKED? Give me a f*cking break. It’s dumb enough when people say it, but now they TYPE it too?

[quote comment=”39625″]Is there anything more annoying than people writing tOSU? That is the dumbest crap I’ve ever seen. How about tTEAMTHATGOTSPANKED? Give me a f*cking break. It’s dumb enough when people say it, but now they TYPE it too?[/quote]

I find it annoying too, as a member of a fellow Big Ten school. However the official name of the school is The Ohio State University. The rest of us may not like it, but that’s how it goes.

Now, the one that kills me is “The Best Damn Band in the Land” (or TBDBITL). I like how the OSU band operates, but I wouldn’t go so far as to call them the best.

[quote comment=”39625″]Is there anything more annoying than people writing tOSU? That is the dumbest crap I’ve ever seen. How about tTEAMTHATGOTSPANKED? Give me a f*cking break. It’s dumb enough when people say it, but now they TYPE it too?[/quote]

So it’s dumb to say the schools actual name?

As mentioned earlier

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Not that great of a pic thoug, can’t see the swoosh.

[quote comment=”39633″][quote comment=”39618″]
The interesting thing is that the star QB for Westlake didn’t wear any helmet stickers at all during the season: link

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Well, who throws the ball? There are 3 things that can happen when you throw the ball, and 2 of them are bad. Don’t you know that?[/quote]

I’m not really following what you’re saying Anthony. But my point was that while the rest of his team had stickers covering their helmets, to the point of obscuring the Westlake ‘W’ in some cases, the starting senior QB had no stickers that I could see.

I’ll keep looking for pictures of the game itself to see if I can provide some visual evidence.

[quote comment=”39629″]on sunday nicco posted the following: Depending the competition, but for FIFA tournaments, only the GK can wear number 1. In the 86 World Cup, Argentina assigned number alphabetically, so Sergio Almirón, a forward, wore number 1, while the GK’s had 18 Nery Pumpido, 15 Luis Islas & 22 Héctor Zelada.

i have to correctr this, the reason this cannot be is because the great diego maradonna wore #10 for that world cup as he always hasw and that would place his number (under niccos alphabet soup theory) b/ween 15 and 18 not 10…[/quote]

Check out the complete roster for that world cup:
1 Sergio Omar Almirón
2 Sergio Batista
3 Ricardo Enrique Bochini
4 Claudio Borghi
5 José Luis Brown
6 Daniel Passarella
7 Jorge Burruchaga
8 Néstor Clausen
9 José Luis Cuciuffo
10 Diego Maradona
11 Jorge Valdano
12 Héctor Enrique
13 Oscar Garré
14 Ricardo Giusti
15 Luis Islas
16 Julio Olarticoechea
17 Pedro Pablo Pasculli
18 Nery Pumpido
19 Oscar Ruggeri
20 Carlos Daniel Tapia
21 Marcelo Trobbiani
22 Héctor Miguel Zelada

Only Passarella(6), Maradona(10) and Valdano(11) don’t follow the rule, but the rest of the squad does. They did the same for the ’78 World Cup.

Ok, found some pictures now.

These are from the title game on 12/23 in Texas Stadium. Southlake Carroll in green and black and Austin Westlake in white and red with blue trim.

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check out the ‘E’ the Westlake player has on the back of his helmet: link

see what I mean about helmet stickers almost obscuring the helmet logo? (Westlake player on the far left): link

and look at the sticker craziness on #69 for Southlake Carroll: link

Anyway, for those of you who hate helmet stickers those pictures will be eyesores. Those of you who like them will be in a state nearing nirvana.

There’s literally hundreds of pictures in scrollable galleries here: link

[quote comment=”39617″]not sure if anyone has been to the fiesta bowl at all, but in 96 when i went, they gave out free souvenir cups filled with tostitos and little salsa cups… unlimited trips. they had high school kids, grabbing cup after cup and just filling them with product and setting them on tables.
my group i think walked away with like 50 cups that night…
i remember mentioning that i wanted to go to the NOKIA sugar bowl the next year and get a phone for nothing.

one side note. at the army/navy game this year, a phone sponsor (att maybe?) gave away a $20 phone card to all current army and navy cadets/middies in attendance. all they had to do was go to one of a few different redemption centers at the linc and provide evidence they were active.[/quote]

I was at the “Nokia” Sugar Bowl last year (my screen name should tell you why), and I didn’t get a free phone, or anything else for that matter. I was happy with the outcome of the game though.

best use of arched lettering i’ve seen in a while:

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[quote comment=”39577″]
Thanks for the info. I’m learning a ton. I have no problem with ‘logo creep’ as it were, if it helps the consumer, regardless of aethetics. Do you have any idea what players in these leagues are paid (U.S. equiv.)? Are the leagues considered strictly developmental, or are they similar to Independant League baseball, which is often a mix of young players still holding out hope that they will make it, and older guys just playing a sport they enjoy while they’re still reasonably talented?[/quote]

Salary disclosure over in Europe isn’t common. The Russian Super League has no disclosure, but it has been said that some players receive millions in American dollars for playing there.

However, in my searches on the ‘Net, I came up with nothing in terms of concrete salaries. There are some leagues that provide players with a rent-free apartment, a new car, and a salary. I know this happens in the Swiss Elite League and the Swedish Elite League. Is it disclosed as part of their salary? No clue.

As for being developmental, it depends on how you view it. As a fan, they are not a developmental leagues, but there are former NHLers doing very well over there. Patrick Lebeau, Sylvain Turgeon, and Rick DiPietro, all former Montreal Canadiens, have all played over there and done very well for themselves.

As a GM from an NHL team, this is where you’ll find NHL-ready, unsigned veteran players if you’re looking. This is also where you scout the younger Europeans who are draft-eligible who aren’t in the CHL. The Sedin twins were products of the Swedish Elite League, as was Markus Naslund and Peter Forsberg when they were drafted. Ilya Kovalchuk is a Russian Elite League graduate. Mark Streit of the Montreal Canadiens is a Swiss Elite League graduate, although he played all over Europe before Montreal signed him as a free agent.

[quote comment=”39645″][quote comment=”39638″][quote comment=”39625″]Is there anything more annoying than people writing tOSU? That is the dumbest crap I’ve ever seen. How about tTEAMTHATGOTSPANKED? Give me a f*cking break. It’s dumb enough when people say it, but now they TYPE it too?[/quote]
Relax there buddy…Being a Big 12 guy I have to have some way to type Oklahome Sate University and Ohio State University with acronyms and without confusion. tOSU is just a habit from forums, etc.
I could care less about “The” but need to make a difference somehow.[/quote]

If everything had to be that exact, ESPN and FOx or whoever would have to abbreviate Arte Moreno’s baseball team as LAAoA – which is ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as referring to the “Mighty Ducks of Anaheim” the first years of their existence.[/quote]

Here is the way I understand it. Once upon a time, a man by the name of Gee was president of Ohio State. As a way to increase pride in the school (more academically than athletically) he made an edict that alumni and students should refer to it as The Ohio State University, rather than Ohio State or OSU, theory being it sounds “smarter”. Pitt did the same thing a few years back, but it never stuck (University of Pittsburgh or Pittsburgh versus Pitt).

While Mr. Gee’s motives were pure, students at other schools in Ohio, and there are several, many with much better academic reputations, found the consistent reference as THE Ohio State University to be obnoxious. THE being interpreted as singular, and therefore better than everybody else.

Finally, football players at from OSU do the THE thing when they do their introductions during NFL games, it sounds remarkably like when players from Miami do their “the U” stunt. It makes them look like jerks, it really does. Despite this, Ohio State fans get very defensive about it and defend it. If I went to Ohio State I probably would too.

I was being completely silly in saying that the QB can’t have any stickers since when you throw, it might be an interception or an incomplete pass.

Or it could be picked up off the ground and run 35 yards the other direction, thank you Chad Pennington!

[quote comment=”39650″][quote comment=”39634″][quote comment=”39633″][quote comment=”39618″]
The interesting thing is that the star QB for Westlake didn’t wear any helmet stickers at all during the season: link

[/quote]
Well, who throws the ball? There are 3 things that can happen when you throw the ball, and 2 of them are bad. Don’t you know that?[/quote]

I’m not really following what you’re saying Anthony. But my point was that while the rest of his team had stickers covering their helmets, to the point of obscuring the Westlake ‘W’ in some cases, the starting senior QB had no stickers that I could see.

I’ll keep looking for pictures of the game itself to see if I can provide some visual evidence.[/quote]

I was being completely silly in saying that the QB can’t have any stickers since when you throw, it might be an interception or an incomplete pass.[/quote]

Gotcha. I’m a little slow on the uptake this morning.

Nick Foles is the QB for Westlake. I’m sure there’s some reason that he chose not to wear helmet stickers, but I have no idea what it is. I think I read that he’s committed to Arizona State, so he can’t be too bad.

There’s a new crop of quarterbacks coming from Texas. Vince Young is a graduate of Madison H.S. in Houston, Georgia QB Matt Stafford led Dallas Highland Park to the 5A state title in 2005, and now apparently this Westlake kid is pretty good. I saw him throw a perfect TD pass during the title game; gliding it perfectly off to the side of the endzone where only his receiver could get it. And he did this while rolling out. Very impressive to watch.

[quote comment=”39652″]Did anyone else notice that you could see Troy Smith’s jock strap through his pants. Im not sure if anyone else bought this up. It was easy to see in the begining of the game.[/quote]
I thought all of their pants looked like that. and who wears a jock strap anymore? i thought anyone younger than 35 wore compression shorts now.

[quote comment=”39645″][quote comment=”39638″][quote comment=”39625″]Is there anything more annoying than people writing tOSU? That is the dumbest crap I’ve ever seen. How about tTEAMTHATGOTSPANKED? Give me a f*cking break. It’s dumb enough when people say it, but now they TYPE it too?[/quote]
Relax there buddy…Being a Big 12 guy I have to have some way to type Oklahome Sate University and Ohio State University with acronyms and without confusion. tOSU is just a habit from forums, etc.
I could care less about “The” but need to make a difference somehow.[/quote]

If everything had to be that exact, ESPN and FOx or whoever would have to abbreviate Arte Moreno’s baseball team as LAAoA – which is ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as referring to the “Mighty Ducks of Anaheim” the first years of their existence.[/quote]

This has got to be the stupidest argument. link why it’s called tOSU. We all know that. And, is someone REALLY that upset that they need to go on a profane rant about how stupid it is? I, personally, think it’s clever that they have added one simple word, possibly the most commonly used word in the english language, to the front of their nameand gave themselves a little more swagger by doing so. But, I think it’s absolutely hilarious that so many people take offense to it. I wish they would statr printing t-shirts that students and alumni could wear that says THE Ohio State University. I wish they would fly planes over the entire country that says THE Ohio State University. Just so I could laugh at the people that are offended by it.

OK, a little hyperbole, but I still would like to know WHY people take it so seriously when someone writes about tOSU?

Anthony:
I also went to Case Western Reserve (this is Vince the Intern, just to be clear).

Two thoughts:
1. Love the full name, and hated when the school decided to just go by “Case”. The full name shows the tradition of the two schools (Case, and Western Reserve) that joined to form the college.
2. Gotta love the high-schoolish football unis.

[quote comment=”39661″][quote comment=”39645″][quote comment=”39638″][quote comment=”39625″]Is there anything more annoying than people writing tOSU? That is the dumbest crap I’ve ever seen. How about tTEAMTHATGOTSPANKED? Give me a f*cking break. It’s dumb enough when people say it, but now they TYPE it too?[/quote]
Relax there buddy…Being a Big 12 guy I have to have some way to type Oklahome Sate University and Ohio State University with acronyms and without confusion. tOSU is just a habit from forums, etc.
I could care less about “The” but need to make a difference somehow.[/quote]

If everything had to be that exact, ESPN and FOx or whoever would have to abbreviate Arte Moreno’s baseball team as LAAoA – which is ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as referring to the “Mighty Ducks of Anaheim” the first years of their existence.[/quote]

This has got to be the stupidest argument. link why it’s called tOSU. We all know that. And, is someone REALLY that upset that they need to go on a profane rant about how stupid it is? I, personally, think it’s clever that they have added one simple word, possibly the most commonly used word in the english language, to the front of their nameand gave themselves a little more swagger by doing so. But, I think it’s absolutely hilarious that so many people take offense to it. I wish they would statr printing t-shirts that students and alumni could wear that says THE Ohio State University. I wish they would fly planes over the entire country that says THE Ohio State University. Just so I could laugh at the people that are offended by it.

OK, a little hyperbole, but I still would like to know WHY people take it so seriously when someone writes about tOSU?[/quote]

It’s all about how arrogant Sweater Vest U fans are. I could call a dump I just took THE dump I just took, but it doesn’t make my dump any better. It’s still just a piece of sh*t. The whole premise of putting THE in front of your school’s name is about arrogance, and that’s why it rubs people the wrong way.

I could call a dump I just took THE dump I just took, but it doesn’t make my dump any better. It’s still just a piece of sh*t.

You should seriously consider putting that on a t-shirt.

To the dump!

link

[quote]It’s all about how arrogant Sweater Vest U fans are. I could call a dump I just took THE dump I just took, but it doesn’t make my dump any better. It’s still just a piece of sh*t. The whole premise of putting THE in front of your school’s name is about arrogance, and that’s why it rubs people the wrong way.[/quote]

I understand the arrogance thing. But still don’t get why it offends people. Is there another Ohio State University that they are calling second fiddle? Unless there is I still don’t really know who they are offending. It’s all in good fun if you ask me. I mean, Ohio University can’t really be offended since they are using the word state and it clearly is not in their school’s name. It would be like if someone at Boston University renamed the school The Boston University and people at Boston College got mad. It would make no sense. Clearly different names.

Unless there is a situation like in Mass where they have UMASS Amherst, UMASS Lowell, UMASS Dartmouth, and UMASS Boston and then one started going by The University of Massachusetts, I could see that rubbing people in Lowell, Dartmouth and Boston the wrong way.

But, since it is not that situation then it is clearly stupid.

some universities are officially named with a “The” in front of their name. In Washington , D.C., there is The American University, but it does not go by tAU, it just goes by AU. Michael Holley, formerly of ESPN and ESPN.com, is an alumnus of OSU, and when he talks about the university, he says “The Ohio State University”. When he writes about them, he just calls them OSU.

[quote comment=”39648″][quote comment=”39577″]
Thanks for the info. I’m learning a ton. I have no problem with ‘logo creep’ as it were, if it helps the consumer, regardless of aethetics. Do you have any idea what players in these leagues are paid (U.S. equiv.)? Are the leagues considered strictly developmental, or are they similar to Independant League baseball, which is often a mix of young players still holding out hope that they will make it, and older guys just playing a sport they enjoy while they’re still reasonably talented?[/quote]

Salary disclosure over in Europe isn’t common. The Russian Super League has no disclosure, but it has been said that some players receive millions in American dollars for playing there.

However, in my searches on the ‘Net, I came up with nothing in terms of concrete salaries. There are some leagues that provide players with a rent-free apartment, a new car, and a salary. I know this happens in the Swiss Elite League and the Swedish Elite League. Is it disclosed as part of their salary? No clue.

As for being developmental, it depends on how you view it. As a fan, they are not a developmental leagues, but there are former NHLers doing very well over there. Patrick Lebeau, Sylvain Turgeon, and Rick DiPietro, all former Montreal Canadiens, have all played over there and done very well for themselves.

As a GM from an NHL team, this is where you’ll find NHL-ready, unsigned veteran players if you’re looking. This is also where you scout the younger Europeans who are draft-eligible who aren’t in the CHL. The Sedin twins were products of the Swedish Elite League, as was Markus Naslund and Peter Forsberg when they were drafted. Ilya Kovalchuk is a Russian Elite League graduate. Mark Streit of the Montreal Canadiens is a Swiss Elite League graduate, although he played all over Europe before Montreal signed him as a free agent.[/quote]

Did you mean PAUL DiPietro? Rick is the Islander goalie that hopefully my Rangers will strafe tonight…

[quote comment=”39690″]
Did you mean PAUL DiPietro? Rick is the Islander goalie that hopefully my Rangers will strafe tonight…[/quote]

Yeah, Paul. That’s what I get for reading NHL news in the newspaper and typing on Uni Watch at the same time. :o)

Besides, Rick has never been a Hab. Good eyes, Bill.

[quote comment=”39673″][quote comment=”39661″][quote comment=”39645″][quote comment=”39638″][quote comment=”39625″]Is there anything more annoying than people writing tOSU? That is the dumbest crap I’ve ever seen. How about tTEAMTHATGOTSPANKED? Give me a f*cking break. It’s dumb enough when people say it, but now they TYPE it too?[/quote]
Relax there buddy…Being a Big 12 guy I have to have some way to type Oklahome Sate University and Ohio State University with acronyms and without confusion. tOSU is just a habit from forums, etc.
I could care less about “The” but need to make a difference somehow.[/quote]

If everything had to be that exact, ESPN and FOx or whoever would have to abbreviate Arte Moreno’s baseball team as LAAoA – which is ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as referring to the “Mighty Ducks of Anaheim” the first years of their existence.[/quote]

This has got to be the stupidest argument. link why it’s called tOSU. We all know that. And, is someone REALLY that upset that they need to go on a profane rant about how stupid it is? I, personally, think it’s clever that they have added one simple word, possibly the most commonly used word in the english language, to the front of their nameand gave themselves a little more swagger by doing so. But, I think it’s absolutely hilarious that so many people take offense to it. I wish they would statr printing t-shirts that students and alumni could wear that says THE Ohio State University. I wish they would fly planes over the entire country that says THE Ohio State University. Just so I could laugh at the people that are offended by it.

OK, a little hyperbole, but I still would like to know WHY people take it so seriously when someone writes about tOSU?[/quote]

It’s all about how arrogant Sweater Vest U fans are. I could call a dump I just took THE dump I just took, but it doesn’t make my dump any better. It’s still just a piece of sh*t. The whole premise of putting THE in front of your school’s name is about arrogance, and that’s why it rubs people the wrong way.[/quote]

Very appropriate comparison, cosidering how THE Ohio State University played last night!!

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I just can’t believe I remembered him – my roster knowledge is OK but not on par with the mighty Teebz…without looking, he wore 45 right?[/quote]

He did!

Ironically, he played for the Swiss team at the Olympics because he married a Swiss woman. He is an official Swiss citizen now.

i guess i went to tUK*

Another example similar to the shortning and changing of college names is the University at Buffalo. Its full name is the State University of New York at Buffalo. Up until the early 90’s it went by that or SUNY Buffalo. But, since the early 90’s they’ve gone away from the State University of New York part and only go by University at Buffalo or UB. The sports teams shorten it even farther and go with just Buffalo.

[quote comment=”39702″]Another example similar to the shortning and changing of college names is the University at Buffalo. Its full name is the State University of New York at Buffalo. Up until the early 90’s it went by that or SUNY Buffalo. But, since the early 90’s they’ve gone away from the State University of New York part and only go by University at Buffalo or UB. The sports teams shorten it even farther and go with just Buffalo.[/quote]

Actually, it’s still link, it’s just University At Buffalo

[quote comment=”39693″][quote comment=”39691″][quote comment=”39686″]some universities are officially named with a “The” in front of their name. In Washington , D.C., there is The American University, but it does not go by tAU, it just goes by AU. Michael Holley, formerly of ESPN and ESPN.com, is an alumnus of OSU, and when he talks about the university, he says “The Ohio State University”. When he writes about them, he just calls them OSU.[/quote]

tOSU would be one thing, just saying the name of the school. But with Ohio State it’s THEosu.

It’s arrogant and it’s meant to be.[/quote]

Exactly. Well said.[/quote]

What would be funny is if Oklahoma State or Oregon State changed their basketball jerseys to read
THE OKLAHOMA STATE UNIVERSITY
or
THE OREGON STATE UNIVERSITY

I had some real work to do today (damnit!) and popped back in here a few mins ago….I really want to see this pic of this Ripken and Gwynn jerseys you all are talking about from earlier, but it’s not up on ESPN’s page anymore.

ESPN changes home page images frequently, so for future reference please link to the actual jpg or gif image and not the url.

And just for fun…link!

Since I’ve finally decided on the three MLB caps I want to purchase to take advantage of that little deal they have going on, here are the three:

link.
link.
link.

Thoughts?

[quote comment=”39535″]I’m sure the subject has been discussed before, but am I the only one who thought OSU’s link looked incredibly tacky last night? I’m not a fan of the concept to begin with, but after a season’s accumulation, it just looks pretty stupid.[/quote]

I would bet that you are not from Ohio, Steve. The stickers are tradition, and they look great! Buckeye nation is hungover and still in a state of shock today after our WHIPPING last night. :-(

[quote comment=”39711″]I had some real work to do today (damnit!) and popped back in here a few mins ago….I really want to see this pic of this Ripken and Gwynn jerseys you all are talking about from earlier, but it’s not up on ESPN’s page anymore.

ESPN changes home page images frequently, so for future reference please link to the actual jpg or gif image and not the url.

And just for fun…link![/quote]

I’ll remember Gwynn best in his prime with the pinstripes and brown hat. I believe it was 1985-1994 when he was arguably the best hitter in the game.

Not uni-related, but its funny what winning a little thing like a National Championship will do for you: link

Hey, not related to anything, but throwing it there.
My friend and I started an NFL blog yesterday, and if you wanna check it out (there’s only a mock draft now) you can go to the following link.
link
Thanks.

[quote comment=”39684″][quote]Unless there is I still don’t really know who they are offending. It’s all in good fun if you ask me. I mean, Ohio University can’t really be offended since they are using the word state and it clearly is not in their school’s name.[/quote]

Actually, Ohio University and Ohio State went through a huge lawsuit/court battle a few years ago over the use of the word “Ohio.”

It seems that Ohio State used to use just the word “Ohio” a lot, from the stadium name, to cheerleaders’ uniforms, to link, and it got to the point where Ohio accused Ohio State of infringement. Plus many Ohio University people were becoming outraged that their school was being confused with Ohio State (and a lot of times, still is to this day).

The courts tended to agree, since Ohio University was established before Ohio State University. So as a result, since around the year 1999 or 2000, you see Ohio State now using the link on the majority of their attire.

As an aside, one store in Athens had been selling a t-shirt that read “Ohio, THE state university” in green-and-white as a running joke response to The Ohio State University’s name claim.

[quote comment=”39600″][quote comment=”39596″][quote comment=”39589″]You didn;t miss much in tOSU’s band. They were playing Titanic. Formed a ship and sunk it when the band hid underneath blue tarps.
Pretty ironic considering their football team this year.[/quote]
Is that what that was???? I saw that part and then the commercials started. I just wanted to see someone dot the i.[/quote]
I was in The Fightin’ Texas Aggie Band for 4 years. That’s what it looked like tOSU was doing on TV to me. Did they know they were going to be on national TV doing that, and playing a bad song from 7 years ago?[/quote]

The Michigan Band did it in ’98 (The fire extinguishers, sinking the ship, and everything.) Actually, the MMB was the first to do the script OHIO as well.

link

I was watching ESPNEWS and the ran a clip of Cal Ripken Jr. from an allstar game. I noticed that the catcher was wearing number 09. I cant get the picture i took to work. Sorry.

[quote comment=”39715″]Since I’ve finally decided on the three MLB caps I want to purchase to take advantage of that little deal they have going on, here are the three:

link.
link.
link.

Thoughts?[/quote]

Good choices… I actually looked at all three of those myself, but I’m sticking with new eras.. dont want to chance an american needle hat.

[quote comment=”39513″]Anyone notice the very busy BCS Bowl Champs hats

link

link

link

link

Click on the links view more pictures and you’ll see a lot of the sponsors logos on them as well[/quote]
I am surprised that the rose bowl who keeps the tradition with thier logo and naming conforms with the other bowls in the hat department

[quote comment=”39694″][quote comment=”39673″][quote comment=”39661″][quote comment=”39645″][quote comment=”39638″][quote comment=”39625″]Is there anything more annoying than people writing tOSU? That is the dumbest crap I’ve ever seen. How about tTEAMTHATGOTSPANKED? Give me a f*cking break. It’s dumb enough when people say it, but now they TYPE it too?[/quote]
Relax there buddy…Being a Big 12 guy I have to have some way to type Oklahome Sate University and Ohio State University with acronyms and without confusion. tOSU is just a habit from forums, etc.
I could care less about “The” but need to make a difference somehow.[/quote]

If everything had to be that exact, ESPN and FOx or whoever would have to abbreviate Arte Moreno’s baseball team as LAAoA – which is ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as referring to the “Mighty Ducks of Anaheim” the first years of their existence.[/quote]

This has got to be the stupidest argument. link why it’s called tOSU. We all know that. And, is someone REALLY that upset that they need to go on a profane rant about how stupid it is? I, personally, think it’s clever that they have added one simple word, possibly the most commonly used word in the english language, to the front of their nameand gave themselves a little more swagger by doing so. But, I think it’s absolutely hilarious that so many people take offense to it. I wish they would statr printing t-shirts that students and alumni could wear that says THE Ohio State University. I wish they would fly planes over the entire country that says THE Ohio State University. Just so I could laugh at the people that are offended by it.

OK, a little hyperbole, but I still would like to know WHY people take it so seriously when someone writes about tOSU?[/quote]

It’s all about how arrogant Sweater Vest U fans are. I could call a dump I just took THE dump I just took, but it doesn’t make my dump any better. It’s still just a piece of sh*t. The whole premise of putting THE in front of your school’s name is about arrogance, and that’s why it rubs people the wrong way.[/quote]

Very appropriate comparison, cosidering how THE Ohio State University played last night!![/quote]

Here is what cracks me up about so many of you getting bent out of shape about the ‘THE’; like any word, it only has the meaning YOU the reader assign to it. So, Patrick O’Donnell you have merely escalated the power of the word you seem to hate.
from a STILL proud alum of THE OSU.
congrats to the Gators, by far THE superior team.

[quote comment=”39684″][quote]Unless there is a situation like in Mass where they have UMASS Amherst, UMASS Lowell, UMASS Dartmouth, and UMASS Boston and then one started going by The University of Massachusetts, I could see that rubbing people in Lowell, Dartmouth and Boston the wrong way.

But, since it is not that situation then it is clearly stupid.[/quote]

UMass-Lowell used to be just known as the University of Lowell (U-Lowell) up until the early 90s when it was absorbed by the entire University of Mass. system. Same thing with UMass-Dartmouth, which was known as Southeastern Mass. University, up until the same point.

If someone just says “UMass”, it’s universally known to be referring to UMass-Amherst. UMass-Boston was always called that, as far as I remember, just to differentiate it from Amherst.

Even now, UMass-Amherst wants to be known only as UMass or Massachusetts. All other schools have the campus location listed as part of the name, and I’ve never known anyone to be either confused or feel inferior because of it.

Ohio University Bobcats in Athens Ohio goes by
“Ohio University, THE State University”

[quote comment=”39776″]Ohio University Bobcats in Athens Ohio goes by
“Ohio University, THE State University”[/quote]

Technically, it’s listed as “The Ohio University.” That’s what it says on my degree, at least.

[quote comment=”39504″]todd krevanchi[/quote]

Just curious, are you a NT member?

Sorry if you have already addressed this–

Alex Ovechkin was sporting the exceptionally link on his pants tonight. Appears to be yellow (matching his skates). My theory is that the yellow is actually a lace (a full skate lace too, because hockey players for some reason think it’s a good idea to have laces practically dragging on the ice). The black seems to be a unfastened belt (check to see the end, looks like a plastic buckle).

[quote comment=”39686″]some universities are officially named with a “The” in front of their name. In Washington , D.C., there is The American University, but it does not go by tAU, it just goes by AU. Michael Holley, formerly of ESPN and ESPN.com, is an alumnus of OSU, and when he talks about the university, he says “The Ohio State University”. When he writes about them, he just calls them OSU.[/quote]

I went to The College of New Jersey, where “The” is definitely part of the title. In fact, we took it one step further: Much to the dismay of pretty much everybody, link is the official abbreviation. Nothing says “elite institution of higher learning” like a big capital “T” that stands for “The”.

Thankfully, most of the athletic teams get it right and use link.

[quote comment=”39755″][quote comment=”39753″][quote comment=”39748″]I was watching ESPNEWS and the ran a clip of Cal Ripken Jr. from an allstar game. I noticed that the catcher was wearing number 09. I cant get the picture i took to work. Sorry.[/quote]

I can’t find a picture to confirm, but Benito Santiago used to wear 09 as opposed to 9 because he didn’t like the number being obscured by the strap of the chest protector. My “link” has concluded that that was the 91 or 92 All-Star game as those were the only years that he wore 09 and played in the all-star game, both times for the san diego padres[/quote]

I agree, pretty sure it’s Benito Santiago. The best I could come up with for a picture is link, although it’s very small and tough to see. It’s from when he was wearing 09 with the Florida Marlins, so that’s 1993 and later. (too lazy to baseball-reference and look up when he was with them)

Sorry if this is in italics too, the preview has it listed OK.[/quote]

It had to be either Santiago or Craig Biggio, since they were the only 2 players on the 1991 NL roster to catch in the game, according to the link

[quote comment=”39587″]Having received the offer from MLB.com, I was perusing the online aisles of MLB.com’s shop. It was there that I noticed link.

Now I don’t want to rain on Cleveland’s heritage, but doesn’t that cap look like it should be part of link? According to the info on MLB.com, Cleveland wore this hat from 1959-1961, 1963-64, and 1970-71.[/quote]

Or worse, you can say it looks like the Reds should have worn those caps.

[quote comment=”39629″]on sunday nicco posted the following: Depending the competition, but for FIFA tournaments, only the GK can wear number 1. In the 86 World Cup, Argentina assigned number alphabetically, so Sergio Almirón, a forward, wore number 1, while the GK’s had 18 Nery Pumpido, 15 Luis Islas & 22 Héctor Zelada.

i have to correctr this, the reason this cannot be is because the great diego maradonna wore #10 for that world cup as he always hasw and that would place his number (under niccos alphabet soup theory) b/ween 15 and 18 not 10…[/quote]

Rene, it’s true, Maradona and Kempes were handed the ’10’ jersey and the remainder of the squads got alphabetical influenced numbers.